=== _4str1 [n=cedric@AStrasbourg-253-1-53-56.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:32] TheSheep: i think you need relative mode enabled === cyphase [n=cyphase@c-71-198-55-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Agrajag` [n=Agrajag@c-67-163-214-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 [12:35] pwnguin: but tablet is useless in relative mode [12:36] TheSheep: hrm. === tretle_ [n=tretle@212.2.169.9] has joined #ubuntu+1 === BHSPitMonkey [n=stephen@adsl-65-69-154-198.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:38] but its tomorrow right now! [12:39] welcome to the world of tomorrow! === crippler [n=pcnet@24-179-44-16.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has joined #Ubuntu+1 [12:56] I just installed Ubuntu 7.04 on my Dell deminson 4600 and the sound will now work. Any suggestions? [12:57] You're in +1! [12:57] But you need to giv ea little more info than that [12:57] crippler: right, #ubuntu as others have suggested. [12:57] heh [12:57] too bussy i have been trying. === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-58-165.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:02] crippler: the sooner you answer my question in #ubuntu, the sooner I can assist you. [01:04] crimsun, i am installing xchat on the system i am having problems with to give you the pci list [01:04] crippler: no, don't paste it _to_ me. Use http://pastebin.ca, then tell me the URL. [01:04] ok === pwuertz [n=pwuertz@ares.inter2.wohnheim.uni-mainz.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:05] crimsun, bsides the pci list what did you need me to cat? [01:06] /proc/asound/card*/codec* [01:06] pci list is @ pastebin.ca625448 [01:06] pci list is @ pastebin.ca/625448 [01:07] ok, you have an AC'97-based card, so you'll need /proc/asound/card*/*codec*/ac97* instead. [01:08] now, after you pastebin that, also pastebin `amixer -c0` [01:08] http://pastebin.ca/625455 [01:09] http://pastebin.ca/625457 [01:09] there ya go [01:10] does anyone know why a certain module called "piix" isnt in gutsy? [01:10] tribe 2 atleast [01:10] because of the libata transition. === matysek [n=matysek@94.Red-81-39-206.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:11] hi, when running the "wine" command... is it possible to specify another wine configuration? I don't want to change the global wine settings... but I want a specific application running in a virtual desktop, rather than taking the whole screen [01:11] you now have ata_piix, pata_oldpiix, and pata_mpiix [01:11] ahaa... [01:12] crimsun, any luck? [01:12] so instead of modprobe piix I might try modprobe ata_piix [01:12] my laptop seems to require it [01:12] fairly new thingymibob [01:12] crippler: please be patient [01:12] crippler: mute 'External Amplifier' === MacSlow [n=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:14] crimsun, muted [01:16] crimsun, I fixed it thanks for all your help. [01:17] The most I've gotten outta someone ;) === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:23] np. === blizzow [n=jburns@206.61.49.5] has joined #ubuntu+1 === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-58-165.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === RAOF [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === TheGoodShepherd [n=lollersk@c-24-14-254-177.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === claydoh__ [n=claydoh@66-252-58-165.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:40] I'm having a little trouble getting Xen my xen kernel to boot in gutsy. It says something about a panic and then "Could not set up dom0 guest OS" rebooting in 5 seconds. Anyone here know how I might take a crack at fixing this? I set up the / partition with LuKS Cryptsetup. 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[03:32] excuse me... [03:32] is anyone's xorg broken? [03:32] current gutsy Works For Me. [03:32] (intel) [03:33] amd64... [03:34] was working with last updates a few days ago [03:34] updated today, and broke [03:34] something about libpcidata.so, and then the xorg bactracke failed [03:35] so no logs output === lamalex [n=alex@c-71-225-106-125.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:35] crimsun: any ideas? === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bipolar [n=bflong@70.44.53.89] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:40] khermans: My amd64 works for me, too === onechard [n=chard@ip70-185-171-252.mc.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:44] RAOF: desktop or laptop? [03:44] khermans: Laptop, nvidia 7600go === nater [n=nater@c-71-195-85-158.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:53] hello? [03:53] ok, I am a noob. anyone there? [03:55] !ask [03:55] Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) [03:56] ok, I have a compaq presario 2500. Since installing feisty, my system crahses with a process overheating error. never occured with windows and no modifications to the hardware has changed. any ideas? [03:57] processor, that is [04:02] khermans: can you hand-copy the backtrace? [04:02] (Sorry, I'm eating dinner downtown.) [04:07] can't paste from gpm console to links2 :( [04:07] i could netcat it to you [04:10] nater: This channel is for Gutsy support/development discussion. You'll probably have more luck in #ubuntu [04:11] ok, sorry. I am new to this [04:11] #ubuntu [04:11] nater: Sorry, that should be "/join #ubuntu" [04:22] What the heck is the ubuntustudio screensaver? [04:22] I don't see anything new in xscreensaver-demo. [04:23] Oh, it went into gnome-screensaver. Baah. === tale [n=tale@cpe-024-088-253-167.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Stormx2 [n=Stormx2@host-87-240-137-127.hi-velocity.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === compwiz18 [n=adam18@metarb3-pool3-64.mtco.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === levander [i=cponder@user-1121q34.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:49] Is MTP support in the version of Banshee that's in Gutsy? [04:51] I don't believe so, but you could check. [04:53] levander: The dependencies of the banshee package suggest that it doesn't [04:53] * debian/rules: [04:53] + Disable mtp support for now until libgphoto-sharp is released [04:53] Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:09:38 +0100 [04:55] but rhythmbox :( [04:56] Uses a different MTP library [04:57] i never really understood the point of banshee [04:58] It's new, and shiny! [04:59] but i like rhythmbox [04:59] So do I. I like banshee a bit more though. [04:59] i dont like banshee cause it uses mono [05:00] I wonder if it work with the 3rd gen ipods again [05:00] works, even. [05:00] crimsun: You mean banshee? My ipod's 3g. Worked last time I tried it :) [05:00] my 30gig video didn't [05:01] Isn't that 4g? [05:01] perhaps, I don't pretend to keep up [05:01] Eh. [05:01] in fact, I'm going to get rid of it [05:01] don't even use the thing. Right now's it's a doorstop. [05:02] Mine has been a 40gb portable harddrive for some time === Avero [n=no@24.96.142.67] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:03] Hello all! I asked this question over in #ubuntu, but didn't get a reply and, since it deals with Gutsy, this may be the place. Just a quick question. Does anyone know if Gutsy has support for Compiz-Fusion + Xinerama, or any other way to get similar results across three X screens on two (identical) video cards. [05:07] I believe the answer is "depends" [05:07] Avero: What cards? If the answer includes "ati" or "nvidia", then I believe the answer is no [05:09] RAOF: 2 MSI NX7600GSs (GeForce 7600). So I guess that's a no. D'oh. :P === DanaG uses Amarok because it supports file-tree organization. [05:16] Avero: I believe xinerama disables XRandR, which Compiz requires. [05:18] DanaG: I don't see that as part of a music player's layer [05:18] RAOF: Yeah, that's what I was running up against. I had just heard rumors that Gutsy had some patches for multi-monitor Compiz support and was hoping that was one of them, or that it had already been addressed some other way. [05:20] I used compiz on multiple monitors, but with nvidia twinview [05:21] My issue with twinview is that [05:23] ? [05:24] D'oh. My issue with twinview is that I'm running three heads, so I could have a twinview head and separate X screen, which kind of defeats the purpose of having three heads in the first place. I also don't like losing some of the other functionality, such as having separate task panels for each screen. Oh well. Guess I'll just have to be Compiz-less until this gets worked out. [05:24] I got half a mind to put a bounty on Xinerama support. Does Open Compositing have a bounty program? === ptn107 [n=phil@68.63.160.79] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:33] Avero: I believe that XRandR 1.2 will make the issue moot, since (I think) you should be able to do the same thing as Xinerama, but more flexibly. === thully [n=thully@dpc6746164142.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:34] Of course, that won't help with the nvidia drivers [05:35] Avero: ? === bullgard4 [n=detlef@p54BF17D9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:36] Avero: whats wrong with separate task panels? [05:37] the nvidia driver has a merged screen mode too... [05:37] i dont know why anyone would want to use it but.. [05:38] chowmeined: When I tried twinview, I wasn't able to get separate task panels for each screen. Granted, I didn't put too much effort into playing with it because that was about the time I discovered Xinerama, which worked by default how I wanted. [05:38] Looking at RandR1.2 right now... [05:39] you can have separate task panels [05:39] chowmeined: How do you go about setting them up? [05:39] i can pastebin my xorg.conf that i use on feisty [05:39] one sec [05:39] i only have 2 monitors though [05:40] i dunno about having 3, i dont see why it wouldnt work [05:40] chowmeined: If you could that would be great! :P [05:41] gah, i forgot my boss had me turn it off [05:41] do you come to this channel often? === lufis [n=sam@unaffiliated/lufis] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:42] chowmeined: No, but I will now. There's enough activity in #ubuntu to hurt my head. I usually hang out on IRC at work. [05:42] its actually a funny story [05:43] its mostly windows at my job, but i have a linux machine, so does one other person.. they had us turn them off for a few days because the network has been having problems [05:44] but i had compiz fusion working on dual monitors [05:44] they have settings for the 'desktop cube' plugin so that you can choose to have them rotate independently or as one giant cube [05:45] Avero: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors.. gentoo wikis are pretty nice [05:45] thats the one i used to set mine up [05:45] Gentoo is my other distro of choice. Use it on the servers. :P [05:47] hi. does anyone have any advice on avoiding breakage with gutsy? I want to test it, but I don't want to end up with major breakage... [05:50] thully: virtual machines [05:50] I'd just do VMware, but then I lose Compiz Fusion and don't get to test the laptop supports (one area I'm hoping for improvement in) [05:51] try out the livecd [05:51] without installing it [05:51] Avero: http://gentoo-wiki.com/Twinview_Example === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:52] thully: id recommend waiting until tribe 3 (so it comes with the latest updates) which comes out tomorrow i believe [05:53] Was planning on downloading it - I've used the past releases on and off but never kept it installed for a long period of time [05:53] you could also dual boot [05:54] I was thinking about that, but it would actually be a triple or quad-boot in my case, as I'm going to be dual-booting with Mac OS X anyway (I'm on a MacBook) === RAOF [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:55] ok [05:55] vmware fusion allegedly has 3D support [05:55] Not in Ubuntu...only in Windows, and for a select few applications === Agrajag` [n=Agrajag@c-67-163-214-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 === kingrayray [n=kingrayr@pool-71-112-145-221.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:57] ok [05:57] well then you can just use the livecd, or dual boot [05:57] I have actually had thoughts of actually getting involved in Ubuntu development at some point (MOTU, Bug Squad, etc) [05:58] there seems to be a cycle in apt [05:58] i have too, i mean.. i know how to program, i just really cant think of a good place to start [05:58] between coreutils and debianutils [05:59] Anyway, I guess you pretty much summed up what I was thinking - wish there was some great way to test everything on my actual hardware andbe able to easily recover from issues... [05:59] If only Ubuntu had ZFS... [05:59] thully: just grab the daily cd, and test it out [05:59] for the tribe 3 cd [05:59] thully: oh.. well if you install it, you could use LVM snapshots [06:00] I was thinking of that, but I have yet to see a way to actually *revert* to a snapshot [06:00] you dont [06:00] you set it up.. and then remount using the snapshot [06:02] I guess I'm confused by LVM snapshots - I'm thinking in terms of VMware snapshots. What do you do if you set a snapshot and then mess something up after taking it? [06:03] (i.e. you take a snapshot, run dist-upgrade, and then X breaks, for example) [06:03] LVM uses copy on write, the snapshots are writable.. it starts as an exact clone of an existing volume.. you can continue to write to the volume.. or you can write to the snapshot.. from that point on they are independent === varka [n=varkatop@p54A5FF03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:04] if you dont like the snapshot.. you destroy it and go back to the volume [06:04] what if you do like the snapshot? is there any way to *merge* it back into the main volume? [06:05] "couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for dpkg" [06:05] anyone seen this before? [06:05] so that you're not stuck with copy-on-write for the rest of your installation's life? [06:05] thully: well merging would be a mess [06:05] thully: i dont see why you couldnt destroy the original and just use the snapshot [06:05] thully: You take a snapshot of the snapshot, etc :) === Tomcat_` [n=Tomcat@p54A1CBA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:06] i mean not all the original data.. just any that changed after the split [06:06] is that how it works? can you use them in a way like they both become independent snapshots.. instead of thinking of one as the original and another as the snapshot? === lufis [n=sam@unaffiliated/lufis] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === eobanb [n=eoban@user-0c93gne.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:07] exactly what I was wondering... As I don't exactly want to have to create a snapshot, do something, and then destroy it and do it again if I like it - too much hassle [06:08] no all you would do is this [06:08] as long as you dont touch the original drive you arent really wasting space or anything [06:08] but separate all your partitions so it makes this easier.. that way you can keep /home across all of them === eobanb [n=eoban@user-0c93gne.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:09] snapshot the partitions that are important system-wide.. well i guess you could just do / and /home [06:09] separate [06:09] then you mount the snapshot.. chroot to the snapshot and use it from there.. if you like it.. keep going.. if you are worried something you are going to do might break it.. take another snapshot.. and keep going [06:09] mount, chroot, snapshot, rinse, repeat [06:10] not necessarily starting in that order [06:11] I guess the issue I see there is that if I snapshot and everything goes fine (i.e. a dist-upgrade), I'm stuck either mounting the snapshot or redoing the dist-upgrade [06:13] so just mount it and chroot [06:13] oh you wanna permanently replace [06:14] there must be a way [06:14] yes - I'm talking about using this as dist-upgrade insurance, for the most part... === mo0osah [n=mo0osah@cpe-70-116-21-77.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:16] I'm basically looking for something like VMware snapshots that can be done on a bare metal boot... [06:17] oh, that exists [06:17] it just isnt in LVM yet [06:17] there are patches for LVM to do that [06:18] http://www.gnome.org/~markmc/code/lvm-snapshot-merging/ [06:18] "Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for dpkg" -- anyone have a fix? [06:18] i dont even know where to look :-( [06:18] khermans: do i want to sak why you're installing dpkg? [06:18] or coreutils for that matter? [06:19] Hobbsee: i did aptitude reinstall ~i~Afeisty [06:19] Hobbsee: i did aptitude reinstall ~i~Agutsy [06:19] sorry [06:19] because my system is borked! [06:19] i cant get Xorg not to crash [06:19] rihgt.... [06:19] Hobbsee: what is the solution? [06:19] Hobbsee: i cannot reinstall dpkg? [06:19] khermans: depending on how badly you've fubar'd your system... [06:20] i didnt foobar, i did an update [06:20] and gutsy borked me [06:20] khermans: try reinstalling coreutils === RAOF ponders the "use dpkg to install dpkg" loop [06:20] well, it does that sometime [06:20] RAOF: it's full of crack [06:20] Hobbsee: i understand [06:20] but i want to know "why" [06:20] a static dpkg perhaps? [06:20] khermans: coreutils is a predepend of dpkg, so needs to be installed before dpkg is. [06:21] Hobbsee: sure [06:21] so if coreutils install bails for whatever reason, you get that error [06:21] if coreutils isnt installed you are in a world of hurt [06:21] Hobbsee: but i just reinstaled it and it still is failing on the previous command [06:21] Hobbsee: i did aptitude reinstall ~i~Agutsy [06:22] chowmeined: well, his system is FUBAR'd anyway, by the time you try to do something like that.. [06:22] can i exclude packages, hrmm bet i can with aptitude [06:22] Hobbsee: not really [06:22] khermans: the quickest way out is probably with a cd, and a reinstall [06:22] Hobbsee: just xorg, but cant seem to find a solution [06:22] Hobbsee: naw [06:22] Hobbsee: i dont want quickest way out [06:22] however, if you want to work your way up the dependancy chain, you could do that too [06:22] i want to know why it fials [06:23] why reinstalling all of gutsy thru aptitude fails? [06:24] One time when something broke for me in a low package, I went through and removed everything above it. Then I went back and reinstalled the things. [06:24] Hobbsee: because both coreutils and dpkg will be reinstalled [06:24] but it is a dependency cycle [06:25] i think debianutils also depends on coreutils === thully [n=thully@dpc6746164142.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:25] DanaG: oh, i'm not saying it's not possible. [06:25] DanaG: just htat it's a darned nuisance [06:25] you could use a static dpkg [06:25] It's a PITA. [06:25] khermans: coreutils will be Priority: Essential, i expect. [06:25] You can dpkg --force-depends -i things. [06:26] Warning: forcing on remove can be VERY VERY dangerous. [06:26] Once I made the mistake of removing libc6. That was an Oops. [06:26] i took it a step further [06:26] ("Oops" is a severe understatement.) [06:27] aptitude reinstall ~i~Agutsy\!coreutils [06:27] The thing is, you may have to use dpkg directly, not apt. [06:27] E: INternal error, could not perform immediate configuration on gzip [06:27] DanaG: i see [06:28] DanaG: ....ouch [06:28] DanaG: i've never really been that insane - only removed everything once. [06:28] I did that in Edgy, but never again. [06:28] Nowadays, I make sure to never remove anything that could conceivably break the very base system. [06:29] hehe === Hobbsee did it back in breezy [06:29] quick question: Is any hacking necessary to boot from an LVM snapshot with the Gutsy kernel? [06:29] (other than adding it to GRUB configuration, of course...) [06:30] can you get yourself out? [06:30] dont do this unless you are sure you can get yourself out if it doesnt boot [06:30] you'll need to edit up /etc/fstab [06:31] don't worry, I'm wiping my drive anyway... [06:31] im getting closer... === Hobbsee looks at the cds that sitll need testing [06:32] I actually have to install a new drive and some memory (taking this MacBook to 160GB/2GB), and just trying to decide how to set things up [06:33] I'm almost wondering if it would be better to brave the waters and separate out /home and others instead of fussing with LVM... [06:33] i win! [06:33] i fixed it [06:34] here's how i fixed my broken xorg hich worked earlier this week, but failed after upgrade [06:34] aptitude reinstall ~i~nxorg [06:34] aptitude reinstall ~i~nxserver [06:35] "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" === khermans done ... [06:35] beware fo borked Xorg on amd64 and nv driver [06:38] Hobbsee: is tribe 3 still on track? Will it be up by 0700 GMT? Wondering because I'm on a satellite connection with some pretty strict bandwidth throttling except between 3-6am (0700-1000 GMT) [06:38] wtf? Command '/usr/share/avahi/enable_avahi 1' not found. [06:39] Trying to enable zeroconf in KDE. === thully [n=thully@dpc6746164142.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:39] dang peer, keeps resetting my connections! :) :) [06:40] thully: is GMT UTC? [06:40] yes, GMT=UTC [06:40] thully: it wont be published by then, but the current daily cds should, assuming that the sky isnt falling in, be the tribe 3 cds. [06:40] I'm UTC-4 here... === Hobbsee is expecting to release them...probably in around...8 hours or so === Hobbsee is in UTC+11 or something [06:41] Well, I guess I'll grab the daily and rsync it if necessary [06:42] thully: the daily will be the tribe 3, unless we find any other, major, OMGTSIF bugs that need to delay the tribe. [06:42] https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/build/All [06:46] I https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/121833 [06:46] Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Undecided,New] [06:47] Thanks everyone. I may just take the Gutsy plunge - I'm experienced with pre-release software (I actually beta tested *Windows* in the past) [06:48] I was on the Vista beta, and all I got was a free copy of Ultimate -- and it's still buggy! (now, I'd like to see THAT on a shirt!) [06:48] At least with Ubuntu betas, you can dig around in source and possibly find, and fix, the bugs yourself. [06:49] I wasn't on Vista, actually - I was on XP and MS's other infamous Windows release, ME, as well as 98 [06:49] thully: twitch. [06:49] When did they change from the nice Watercolor to the (subjectively) fugly Luna? I call that a stupid decision. But anyway, this conversation is rather off-topic. [06:51] Then I tried Ubuntu for a while around Warty/Hoary, had too many issues, went Mac, and now I'm looking at Ubuntu again === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:56] OK - sorry folks for the OT detour there. On topic, does anybody know why the fonts in Firefox don't look as good in Gutsy as in Feisty? === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:00] thully: all the fonts look completely different for me [07:00] i dunno why.. i like the fonts in feisty [07:00] I know it has to do with autohinting (autohinting is on in Feisty's Firefox but not Gutsy), but even if I turn autohinting on in Gutsy they still don't look as good [07:01] I know two things they did. 1) They changed the default font size and DPI 2) They turned off autohinting in Firefox... [07:01] thully: It probably has to do with the DPI setting [07:03] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/121833 -- how would I go about getting this confirmed? [07:03] Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Undecided,New] [07:03] I fixed my DPI to match Feisty's, and I still don't think they look as good. At least in Firefox... [07:07] That's actually a rather major usability issue: having the screen BLINK multiple times when going idle is quite uncomfortable. [07:08] And until I changed the idle brightness setting, the backlight would turn entirely OFF at idle, making me thing my laptop had locked up with a black screen. [07:10] I've been having a different LCD brightness issue with Gutsy - I keep having the brightness control pop up randomly without doing anything === Sebastian [n=sb@p5088E8D1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:10] It's set to dim on idle. [07:10] That's by design. It dims when the sossion is idle [07:11] It'd be a nice feature if it worked properly, and if it increased the time if I repeatedly wake it. [07:11] Oh, I just remembered something: [07:11] well, this is happening when I'm plugged in... [07:11] and even if I've ALREADY dimmed the screen [07:12] Vista seems to encourage manufacturers to use standard ACPI Video code for brightness control, rather than proprietary methods (Dell, Lenovo, Toshiba, and so on...). Therefore, it might be a good idea to look for BIOS updates relating to Vista. Just make sure to back up the old BIOS, and read any specific available changelogs. [07:13] I'm on a MacBook, so nothing regarding BIOS and Vista is really relevant to me... [07:13] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/122682 - That's my bug report... [07:13] Launchpad bug 122682 in gnome-power-manager "Brightness Head-Up dialogue always appears after Idle" [Undecided,Confirmed] [07:14] Aah, you're lucky to have 100 discrete brightness levels. I just have this: [07:14] levels: 100 37 12 25 37 50 62 75 87 100 [07:14] current: 0 [07:14] And the 0 is way wrong. === Agrajag [n=Agrajag@c-67-163-214-103.hsd1.oh.comcast.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 [07:16] One thing - when you chroot, do the init scripts/daemons/etc for startup run in the chroot? If not, what happens when you start a chroot? [07:16] I'm curious in particular because I may make a Gutsy chroot if I decide not to brave the waters yet... [07:17] But then you lose the fun of dynticks. [07:17] And powertop. [07:18] I'm already going to run Gutsy's kernel on Feisty - I can't suspend-to-RAM with the Feisty kernel... [07:18] i used to be able to suspend on feisty but not currently, not sure what happened [07:18] I had it the other way around for a while, but then I fixed it. [07:18] Look around in /etc/default/acpi-support. [07:19] Namely, the VBE SAVE, VBE POST, and VIDEO PCI STATE parameters. [07:19] I never could, as I guess there is a bug with suspending the IDE controller in Feisty's kernel that's fixed in Gutsy... === bur[n] er [n=burner@unaffiliated/burner] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:19] I believe for my nvidia, I have it set to false,false,true. [07:20] I actually modified the kernel source as a workaround for a while until I found that just running Gutsy's kernel worked better.. [07:21] Dynticks isn't available on x86-64 yet, sadly [07:21] I only have a Yonah, so that's a moot point for me. [07:21] same here - original Core Duo MacBook [07:21] (You know you're nerdy when you use the code name, not the marketing name.) [07:24] BTW - with respect to ticks, what's the default setting for them (in HZ) on Ubuntu's kernel? [07:24] 1000, probably. [07:25] I had heard that 100hz may work better on laptops, especially with respect to whining capacitors (I can eliminate the issue as-is by disabling some ACPI C-states, but that loses me some battery life) [07:26] Oh, another thing on my laptop: the brightness hotkeys don't pop up the g-p-m OSD. [07:26] Luckily, the BIOS has its own OSD, that's OS-independent. As long as your screen isn't corrupt, the OSD will show up. [07:26] Oddly, the cursor appears on TOP of the OSD. [07:28] DanaG: No, default was 100, -lowlatency is 1000. Now, default is tickless :) [07:28] Aaah. === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-004.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:28] Does tickless completely obsolete the CONFIG_HZ setting? [07:29] IIUC, yes [07:29] As in, make it no longer appear, or be used? [07:29] RAOF: are you sure? I know Linus changed it to 250 at some point (this I found out after reading old kernel-related stuff researching the MacBook whine) [07:30] DanaG: As in, it's CONFIG_NO_HZ, or something. And === jkimball4 [n=jerrid@ip24-252-32-248.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:32] ugh [07:32] some people's kernel code is so nasty === CarlF1 [n=carl@adsl-75-57-170-225.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-0-225.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:40] Argh, running compiz --replace, with compiz already running, locked up Xorg, so even ctrl-alt-backspace wouldn't work. [07:40] Instead, I had to alt-sysrq-k it. [07:41] DanaG: that's a feature. [07:41] I hope you're joking. [07:42] an undocumented one [07:42] I can't tell from (oops, there's no such thing as "tone of voice" in IM.) [07:42] Oh, and the "benchmark" plugin eats CPU like crazy. === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-00e39d6dde5c019d] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:42] in compiz. "THOU SHALT NOT ATTEMPT TO RUN ANY INFERIOR WINDOW MANAGER" [07:43] What about compiz? [07:43] How can compiz be inferior to itself? Heh. [07:44] I guess compiz is inferior to itself :) === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:44] DanaG: no, hte act of trying to replace compiz with anything, including more compiz, will trigger that feature [07:45] s/feat/misfeat/ [07:46] *BLINK*BLINK* [07:47] and as soon as I went to type that, it blinked twice, again, as brightness faded back up. [07:50] Woah, sudden quiet. [07:53] :) === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu+1 === thully [n=thully@dpc6746164142.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:56] Oh, maybe that's why. [07:57] ? [07:57] Dang "Peer" keeps disconnecting people. :P === corevette [n=corevett@adsl-75-35-76-191.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Hobbsee blames RAOF [07:57] is tribe 3 outo yet? [07:57] RAOF: when are you going to touch The Evil Package, that has now been renamed? [07:57] corevette: no. you can grab a cd for it though === Hobbsee really should write the release notes. [07:58] hobbsee: is the cd going to be any different than the release? [07:58] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/123713 [07:58] corevette: i dont expect so [07:58] Hmm, ubufox... what an odd name. [07:58] so then why isn't it released? [07:59] Hobbsee: I've already started. I'll help the Debian maint package it, though. [08:00] corevette: technically, because the website guys arent awake yet, and i dont have access to teh DC. [08:00] corevette: and because we're hoping that a couple of flavours will get more tested. [08:00] corevette: it'll be about 6.5 hours, give or take. [08:00] probably 7 [08:00] what are new features? === Hobbsee points to the semi-done release page [08:01] What is "ubufox"? Is Ubuntu doing the Iceweasel thing now, only with a slightly-less-odd name? [08:01] it's where the ubuntu-specific stuff is going [08:02] What stuff is that? Also, will the browser name change? === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-004.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:03] hobbsee: what are new features [08:04] thully: like, ubuntu bookmarks, some ubuntu extensions, iirc. [08:04] thully: integration stuff [08:05] ubufox is just an extension on firefox, not actually changing the name === Hobbsee again points to the semi-done release page [08:05] oh, wiki's broken. [08:07] OK - for a while I was afraid you were doing your own Iceweasel-type thing - that's one of the most annoying things with Debian IMO. [08:08] (well, back 5 years ago when they didn't have KDE was probably worse...though I'm using Gnome ATM) === ke- [n=kenneth@port272.ds1-aboes.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:13] ubuntu bookmarks...extensions? [08:15] like the links to the Ubuntu homepage, integration into the Ubuntu desktop, etc etc === Ronald [n=ronald@rijnlaan.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:17] One question - does anyone know of any severe breakage in the Linux kernel's HFS+ write support? I want to know how safe it is to be writing to my Mac OS partitions... [08:18] As far as I'm aware, it's safe as long as you don't have a journalled drive (in which case the driver will refuse to write) [08:21] It seemed to work OK the last time I used it (in fact, I actually shared home with OSX in a case-sensitive HFS+ partition with no apparent ill effects) [08:22] where to edit entries of the gnome "places menu"? not only the nautilus bookmarks but the entries like "gnome-search-tool" also? [08:22] Yeah. === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@winmail.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:30] OK - bye everyone... === hansin322 [n=eric@c-71-196-138-170.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:36] I wish the NTFS-3G driver had an option to transparently fall back to read-only (with old driver, because ntfs-3g is slow). [08:36] As it is now, it's all-or-nothing: mount with write, or not mount at all. [08:37] I thought -3g was meant to be fast. Clearly that's not entirely the case :) [08:37] I haven't used it in a while, however. [08:37]