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pjotterI spoke to some other people and they where a bit surprised also12:17
pyros_pyroticathat's thanks to your irc client, not the server or the logging.12:17
pjotteralright12:17
ianmcorvidaepjotter: Where are these logs, by the way. I'd like to know what I'm discussing :)12:18
pjotterIt was just something I was wondering about.12:18
pjotterjust a moment12:18
mc44!logs | ianmcorvidae12:18
ubotuianmcorvidae: Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs12:18
ianmcorvidaeAh, thanks.12:18
pjotteryep that's the one :)12:18
ianmcorvidaepjotter: You might also look into getting a cloak for your IP12:20
pjotterwell,Iwouldn;t go that for12:21
pjotterfar12:21
pjotter:)12:21
ianmcorvidaeWell, it's pretty easy.12:21
ianmcorvidaeAnd a good idea, hehe.12:22
ianmcorvidaehttp://www.pthree.org/2007/07/15/securing-your-connection-on-freenode/12:22
ianmcorvidaeGood article on securing yourself on freenode :)12:22
pjotterYou mean by using a proxy or something (Idon't know much about cloaking and stuff)12:22
ianmcorvidaeOh, no.12:23
ianmcorvidaeFreenode does it for you :)12:23
ianmcorvidaeDo a whois on me, you'll see it12:23
ianmcorvidae( in other words: /whois ianmcorvidae )12:23
ianmcorvidaeThat unaffiliated/ianmcorvidae is the cloak12:23
ianmcorvidaeIt hides the part that shows where I connect from (hostname and IP, in other words)12:24
ianmcorvidaeUbuntu members get cloaks automatically that indicate they are ubuntu members12:24
ianmcorvidaeBut an unaffiliated cloak is pretty easy to get; you just need to register your nick and an alternate, attach an email (which an be hidden), and then ask a freenode staffer to turn it on for you.12:24
pjotterah ok12:25
pjotterwell that sounds like too uch hassle for me.It's not really a big deal or something12:25
ianmcorvidaeThat article I linked has an outline of the whole affair, as well as a link to the 'official' freenode doc on it.12:25
ianmcorvidaeHeh, ok.12:25
ianmcorvidaeBut anyway, that's the way to hide your IP from being in those logs :)12:26
pjotterI was just surprised to see that info come up after a simple search on my ip12:26
ianmcorvidaeHehe, yep.12:27
pjotteralright, I'm off to bed. Thanks for the help and info. I'll think about the cloak thing.12:28
pjotter:)12:28
pjotterbye!12:28
ianmcorvidaeLater, pjotter.12:29
ianmcorvidaeEnjoy :)12:29
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dholbachgood morning07:38
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johnc4510beuno: good evening07:40
johnc4510:)07:40
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Hobbsee@schedule sydney05:58
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dendrobates@schedule New York08:06
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calcif i don't respond during the meeting my network may have died again, there have been thunderstorms all morning here :\09:20
calci'm not sure if it was the storms or just gutsy acting up or a combination of the two09:21
dendrobatesSame here I'm afraid.  So far so good with the old 'dsl, though09:23
calci rebooted my system and it hasn't dropped since so it may have just been gutsy09:26
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calcwhat is the proper syntax with tr to translate ~ to - ?09:44
calci thought it was tr [~]  [-]  but that doesn't seem to work09:44
calcit changes the ~ into a \ instead (wtf?)09:44
calcah i have to do [~]  [\\-] 09:44
Mithrandirwhy not just tr \~ - ?09:46
Meyvnwhy would you need to escape those characters?09:47
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Mithrandirbecause if you don't escape ~ it expands into $HOME09:47
fabb_laptopevening09:48
kylemherro.09:48
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fabb_laptop#include <smoke_premeeting>09:50
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evandhello all09:50
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cjwatsongood evening09:54
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cjwatson#include <mdz-for-the-day>, I suppose09:54
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cjwatsonmdz is in Oregon and the rest of the world is at GUADEC, near enough09:55
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Mithrandircjwatson: I loved how you filled in my activity report for me. ;-)09:55
fabb_laptopthis laptop sucks09:55
dholbachhello everybody09:56
tkamppeterhi09:56
dendrobateshey all09:56
cjwatsonMithrandir: I assumed nobody at GUADEC would be sending reports09:56
Mithrandircjwatson: I got home yesterday, but since I spent that day travelling, it's much appreciated.  I'm going to send one during the meeting, I think.09:57
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cjwatsonMithrandir: ah, that I didn't know09:57
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=== heno waves
cjwatsonbryce,doko,pkl_,rtg_: ping (jsut checking)09:58
cjwatsonjust09:58
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rtg_pong09:58
bryceheya09:58
dokopong09:58
pkl_ping09:58
cjwatsonRiddell is excused09:58
pkl_opps, pong09:59
sorenpreemptive pong09:59
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asachi all09:59
fabb_laptopcjwatson: i am here too as we agreed (modulo laptop crashing)09:59
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cjwatsonkeescook: ping?09:59
keescookpong09:59
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amitk_woof10:00
cjwatsonok, just missing Adilson now, so I guess we'll start10:00
cjwatsonno non-regular business for today, unless there are any late additions to the agenda?10:00
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cjwatsonI hope everyone had an enjoyable/productive sprint and got home safely10:01
pittiyeah, it was great to see the office \o/10:01
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keescooksuch a view :)10:01
cjwatsonor to your next port of call for those who stopped by GUADEC ;-)10:01
fabb_laptop11 hours door to door was safe.. but .. looooooooong10:02
dholbachI had a great time too :-)10:03
agoliveirafabb_laptop: Only 11 hours? Lucky one...10:03
BenCI liked the pubs10:03
fabb_laptopagoliveira: for a 2 hours flight... it?s bad..10:03
agoliveirafabb_laptop: Ooops :)10:03
cjwatsonI take it that's no further agenda items, then10:03
fabb_laptopBenC: just that or the beer in the pubs? :)10:03
cjwatsonthis is a general reminder that you have *four weeks* left to finish gutsy-targeted features10:03
BenCfabbboth :)10:04
Meyvni'm just here to watch/listen/learn, that okay with you guys?10:04
cjwatsonplease ask for help early rather than late if you think that's going to be a problem10:04
MithrandirMeyvn: yes10:04
cjwatsonMeyvn: sure10:04
Mithrandircjwatson: I need ten more people and a pony, but I suspect I should tell mdz that, not you.10:04
dholbachit's not a real agenda item, but I'd like to thank everybody who was involved in reviewing patches for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews - it's been working out great and we had a lot of community contributed patches and uploads in the last few weeks10:04
sorenMithrandir: *G*10:04
cjwatsonwe don't have a lot of feature-rescuing resource this time round, largely due to projects like Mithrandir's ;-)10:04
dholbach(of course a reminder to all of you who still have patches unreviewed in their inbox ;-))10:05
cjwatsonbut something can probably be scrounged up if need be10:05
tkamppeterI have bad news, unfortunately.10:05
kylemwe really should've gone to visit the pony when we were in london.10:05
cjwatsondholbach: *blush*. We have a reviewers meeting at the end of this one.10:05
calcbtw i think that OOo 2.3 m221 is about to actually finish compiling the first time all the way through :)10:05
pittidholbach: if there was a way to get a list of outstanding things...10:05
calcthen i just need to update all the patches for ubuntu, etc, heh10:05
pitticalc: yay!10:05
cjwatsontkamppeter: oh?10:05
cjwatsoncalc: excellent10:05
tkamppeterIt is about printerdrake.10:05
cjwatsonprinterdrake is not on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy this time round10:06
tkamppeter found a volunteer some weeks ago, and today he told me that he has not enough time and gave up.10:06
dholbachpitti: bugs assigned to yourself should be easy enough to 'filter out', especially bugs assigned to you with patches attached?10:06
cjwatsonit's a target of opportunity, but if it doesn't work out, it's not a blocker for gutsy10:06
cjwatsonsorry to hear that the volunteer dropped out though10:06
pittidholbach: ah, 'patches attached' is good10:06
fabb_laptopjust a quick reminder that i am going in holidays10:06
tkamppeterWill gutsy continue with the gnome-cups-manager then?10:06
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calcso hopefully i'll have it in gutsy by end of next week, this weekend is pretty busy for me, being at the Four Seasons, heh10:07
fabb_laptopdholbach: if i have anything to sponsor, it might need to be reassigned10:07
pittidholbach: you cannot search for bugs assigned to you *and* subscribed to a team (at least I don't know how)10:07
dholbachfabb_laptop: what do you mean?10:07
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dholbachpitti: bugs to you with patches attached - does that help?10:07
fabb_laptopdholbach: i am going away in vacation for 3 weeks10:07
amitk_cjwatson: I too haven't had a whole lot of time to work on the power management spec for gutsy10:07
fabb_laptopdholbach: if you reassinged bugs to sponsor, it?s better to have them reassigned to somebody else10:07
dholbachfabb_laptop: alright10:07
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dholbachfabb_laptop: thanks10:08
fabb_laptopdholbach: i can only see one.. #71504.. if i don?t get around it tomorrow, i will let you know10:08
pittiand, mind you, that we need to do dapper.2, too10:08
pittithat'll take quite a lot of resources10:08
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cjwatsonI hate all IRC clients10:09
evandscreen + irssi10:09
evandnever fails10:09
kwwiinetwork fall down, go boom10:09
bdmurrayevand: but is pwned by small animals right?10:09
Mithrandircjwatson: pasted it on other ircnet since you didn't ping out there.10:09
Mithrandirevand: doesn't help when your DSL is the limiting factor.10:09
dholbachpitti: I'll file a bug on launchpad:   https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-main-sponsors/+bugs?field.assignee=pitti    is the same as     https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-main-sponsors/+bugs10:09
sorentkamppeter: What are the alternatives? system-config-printer?10:09
evandindeed on both10:09
cjwatsonevand: this IS screen+irssi10:09
evandah, well then10:10
kylemcjwatson, amnesiac?10:10
cjwatsonmeh *shrug*10:10
tkamppetersoren, perhaps, at least it is maintained. Perhaps I should sooner or later contribute concepts of printerdrake into it.10:10
cjwatsonamitk_: power management is basically there for the benefit of mobile, although obviously the more that gets done the better ... I suspect it is ongoing10:10
sorentkamppeter: What's the difficulty with printerdrake anyway?10:11
amitk_UME part is going ok10:11
cjwatsonamitk_: if you're short of time, the first thing to do is probably to try to set priorities10:11
tkamppeterOne thing I already did is to extract the fuzzy-matching algorithm for printer makes and models of printerdrake into Foomatic. So one can use it from any program by calling a command line tool.10:11
amitk_but the generic Gutsy part is lagging. Powertop profiling, bugfixes to apps, laptop-testing group revival are on TODO10:12
pitticjwatson: with our new task of dapper.2, we'll probably need to drop some specs anyway :/10:12
cjwatsonpitti: dapper.2 is deliberately after feature freeze for that reason10:12
tkamppetersoren, the problem of printerdrake is that it uses a GUI based on a library from Mandriva and this library is not easy to port into a non-Mandriva distro (pitti has given up on that) and not of very high quality.10:12
cjwatsonI know some planning has to be done, but I was very much hoping it wouldn't have to interact much10:12
pitticjwatson: I'm afraid not, it should be released mid-August10:12
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cjwatsonpitti: I'm sure it was end of August in order to be between FF and beta. That's certainly what I discussed with mdz originally.10:13
sorentkamppeter: Ah, so we're yanking the good stuff out and shoving it into other components?10:13
sorentkamppeter: Makes sense, I gues.10:13
amitk_cjwatson: i guess prioritisation can happen offline with BenC and yourself10:13
pittiright, but that means we cannot wait until mid-August to start working on it; there is a lot of bugs we are supposed to tackle10:13
tkamppetersoren, probably this is the only solution if one does not find anyone to make a new GUI for printerdrake.10:14
pittianyway, now that tribe3 is over, I'll look into the list and sort/assign it10:14
sorentkamppeter: Ah, *that* was what the volunteer was supposed to do?10:14
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cjwatsonamitk_: the spec is not fully written, which makes it difficult to do that sort of prioritisation; that should be the first priority10:14
tkamppeterProblem is that printerdrake is written in Perl and the Red Hat tool is written in Python. And I have never programmed in Python.10:14
sorentkamppeter: Ah.. And gnome-cups-manager is C. :)10:15
dholbachand c++ iirc10:15
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sorendholbach: I haven't noticed any.10:15
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pittidholbach: no, it's gnome :)10:15
tkamppeterYes, the volunteer had to write a new GUI.10:15
cjwatson21:11 <amitk_> UME part is going ok10:15
cjwatson21:11 <cjwatson> amitk_: if you're short of time, the first thing to do is probably to try to set priorities10:16
pittiwell, g-c-m's GUI isn't too bad10:16
tkamppeterFor me it is easier to patch something into the gnome-cups-manager, as with C I am familiar.10:16
cjwatsonoops10:16
cjwatsonamitk_: anyway, thanks, made a note to look into that10:16
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BenCamitk_: we can discuss it more on tomorrow's call as well10:17
amitk_ok10:17
sorentkamppeter: If I were to decide, I'd prefer it going into system-config-printer. It seems to be less GNOME-centric than g-c-m, but g-c-m is surely an option, too.10:18
tkamppeterI also prefer to continue with system-config-printer, because it is maintained upstream. The GNOME tool has no upstream maintainer any more.10:19
sorentkamppeter: Oh dear.10:20
tkamppeterLess GNOME-centric is also good, as we have also Xubuntu.10:20
sorentkamppeter: Precisely. I belive they use s-c-p now.10:20
pitti(which already uses s-c-p, and it's in main)10:20
sorenpitti: alright.10:20
cjwatsonsoren: since it sounds like you're interested, can you follow this up with Till and figure out what practical actions we can take for gutsy, if any? :-)10:21
tkamppeterSo then we should also go for s-c-p in Ubuntu/Edubuntu, so that we do not need to maintain two tools.10:21
sorentkamppeter: I agree. I've glanced at it once, and it looks sensible, too.10:22
sorencjwatson: Um.. I guess I can squeeze it in somewhere.10:22
tkamppetersoren, what do you mean with "squeeze it in", your work time or the space on the Ubuntu CDs?10:23
sorentkamppeter: The former.10:23
cjwatsonACTION: soren and tkamppeter to discuss feasibility of system-config-printer in Ubuntu and come up with a plan10:24
dendrobatesthe sever group will be lucky to get it's own work done before the freeze.10:24
pittiit basically has a similar problem: rather horrible UI10:24
cjwatsondendrobates: low priority10:24
cjwatsonI mean this, for soren ...10:24
dendrobatescjwatson: thanks10:25
cjwatsonok, no actions from the previous meeting AFAIK10:25
cjwatsonrelease readiness update10:25
cjwatsonwell done to Hobbsee and pitti on tribe-310:26
soren\o/10:26
pittithanks10:26
sorenGo Hobbsee and pitti!10:26
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pitticjwatson: I didn't prepare a special report10:26
dholbachcongratulations Hobbsee and pitti!10:26
cjwatsonthere are a number of bugs which need to be followed up; I trust they're all suitably milestoned?10:26
pittibut we have a lot of bugs10:26
pittihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.milestone:Alist=47110:26
pittiso please start fixing them early10:26
pittithe most nasty one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/126964 ATM10:26
ubotuLaunchpad bug 126964 in linux-source-2.6.22 "gutsy livefs causes random hangs or modprobe crashes" [Critical,New] 10:26
kwwiijust so that everyone knows, there is a lot of talk about getting a desktop wallpaper for Gutsy after all10:27
pittiwhich is not entirely understood yet, but ogra tracked it down pretty well already10:27
asacoh ... so couldn't fix that for release ... damn10:27
pkl_I'm currently looking into that bug also.10:27
cjwatsonkwwii: artwork landing for feature freeze? :-)10:27
kwwiicjwatson: well, until now their is no official order for it, but I can imagine that that one piece will be coming in more towards the end of the deadlines if it all10:28
cjwatsonevand and I have made a little bit of headway on the actual *reason* for bug 122645 as well as a workarround, I think10:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 122645 in ubiquity "manual partitioning hangs indefinitely" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12264510:28
evandindeed10:28
kwwiicjwatson: no worries with other parts, they are all smaller updates10:28
cjwatsonno progress on the gfxboot thing yet :(10:28
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cjwatsonpitti: a good few of those are In Progress, which is encouraging10:29
cjwatsonbut yes, if you get bored with your feature work and want a change, a bug is as good as a rest10:30
cjwatson</lie>10:30
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sorenpitti: Come on, you love reviewing my stuff.10:30
cjwatsonpitti: says the man who's doing pretty well judging by https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy10:30
ajmitchsoren: it may require bribes10:31
cjwatsonok, is there any other business for this meeting?10:31
pittiI guess I'll just get off IRC for a day :)10:31
cjwatsongoing once10:32
cjwatsongoing twice10:32
cjwatsonall right, adjourned; those involved in code review please stay behind to go over the review list10:33
sorenSee you tomorrow, people!10:33
brycecya everyone :-)10:33
kwwiiw00t, /me digz shrt m33tings10:33
mathiazthks. cya10:33
fabb_laptopcya everybody10:33
dendrobatesbyeee10:33
amitkbye10:33
evandbye10:33
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henopitti: IRC-free days is actually a good suggestion (not all at once though :) )10:33
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cjwatsondholbach: over to you10:33
dholbachalright... I'm quite happy with how https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews works out and the list looks quite good10:33
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cjwatsonwho have we got still here?10:33
dholbachseb128 agreed to help with the assigning and triaging of them, so it should continue to work out when I'm at UbuntuLive and on holidays10:34
dholbachof course, if somebody wants to help out with triaging and assigning them, that'd be very nice10:34
keescooki'm still here.10:34
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asacme10:34
mathiazme10:34
cjwatsonme10:34
dholbachwow!10:34
dholbachlooks like a robust and solid process then!10:34
dholbachthanks a lot :-)10:34
cjwatsonwell, I'm here, but have sucked at reviewing to date10:35
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dholbachubuntu-universe-sponsors looks very good10:35
cjwatsonI think the only one currently assigned to me is the grub merge, which I can still do - just too hard to do at the sprint10:35
dholbachubuntu-main-sponsors should all be assigned if appropriate, so some people will need to look into their inboxes once they're back from conferences and all10:35
dholbachyeah10:35
dholbachalso the initramfs-tools merge seemed quite big, which I assigned to BenC10:36
cjwatsonis there any view of the list that lets us see all the assignees on one page?10:36
dholbachunfortunately not10:36
dholbachI think we could get it generated using python-lp-bugs10:37
dholbachI could set that up tomorrow10:37
BenCinitramfs-tools is tricky, but I'll get to it tomorrow10:37
cjwatsondholbach: sounds good10:37
dholbachexcellent - I'll send out a mail about that10:37
cjwatsondholbach: do you have any that you know are in need of an assignee at the moment?10:37
dholbachno, I think I got all covered that look 'good enough'10:38
cjwatsonwe'll save going down the full list until we have an easy view; I don't feel like opening 20-odd tabs10:38
cjwatsonpitti: I can take bug 80513 off you if you like, as I touch -meta often enough anyway10:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 80513 in ubuntu-meta "ubuntu-meta does not include GPL in source tarball" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8051310:38
dholbachI'll prod people about outstanding reviews in a week (so before I leave for holidays)10:38
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pitticjwatson: oh, good10:38
dholbachI feel the same way - I'll let you all know about an aggregated patch bugs list10:38
cjwatsonok then10:39
cjwatsonACTION: dholbach to prepare automatic list of review bugs with assignees10:39
cjwatsonif that's all, then I guess we're done here too10:40
dholbachthanks a lot for helping out with that - I'm fairly confident, we'll cope quite well with incoming patches with that process soon enough10:40
pittiyeah, biggest problem is still that it is utterly hard to get a personal todo list10:40
dholbachpitti: let's see what solution I can come up with tomorrow - I'm happy to get your input on that10:41
cjwatsonturns out I only have six bugs assigned to me with patches attached, so that's OK, but I can't see everyone else's10:41
cjwatson(easily)10:41
Meyvni have some questions when you're done10:41
dholbachMeyvn: let's move to #ubuntu-devel, if you don't mind, so we can wrap up the meeting?10:41
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Meyvndholbach: sure10:42
dholbachsuper10:42
pittiNB that bugs like bug 126503 probably don't have a patch attached10:42
ubotuLaunchpad bug 126503 in laptop-detect "please sync laptop-detect 0.13.2 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12650310:42
dholbachpitti: I'll make sure to aggregate them10:43
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dholbachcjwatson: shall we adjourn?10:43
cjwatsonlet's10:43
cjwatson*gavel*10:44
dholbachhave a nice evening/day - see you tomorrow :)10:44
cjwatsonthanks for all your time this evening10:44
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keescookcool, cya everyone.  :)10:44
pittibye al10:45
asachave a nice evening10:45
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BenCbye all!10:45
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