[05:32] <DanaG> How plausible is it to get a Windows CE device to run Linux?
[07:36] <horaceli> type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY 8011177121
[04:27] <Mithrandir> rusty: have you ever gotten the flash plugin working with the flashplugin-nonfree package from the repos?
[04:28] <rusty> Mithrandir, i always just copied over the flash from my workstation
[04:28] <Mithrandir> hm
[04:28] <Mithrandir> I wonder if I can convince hildon-desktop to log somewhere.
[04:28] <rusty> where does it install it?
[04:29] <sabotage> I believe you need both the flash plugin AND the composite enabled X server from bryce, at least that's the only combo I've ever had it working since we moved to hildon-desktop
[04:29] <Mithrandir> sabotage: that's what I'm using.
[04:30] <Mithrandir> /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[04:30] <sabotage> ah, then I'm not much help ;)
[04:30] <Mithrandir> also, it's completely not working, not just displaying wrongly.
[04:30] <sabotage> ln -s /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so /root/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[04:30] <Mithrandir> (symlinked from /usr/lib/{firefox,iceape,iceweasesl,mozilla}/plugins)
[04:30] <Mithrandir> I can try that
[04:30] <sabotage> yeah
[04:31] <sabotage> but if it is as you describe, just not working rather than not displaying, that may not help either
[04:31] <Mithrandir> that worked
[04:31] <Mithrandir> so something is not looking in the right directory.
[04:32] <sabotage> yeah, should not have to make a per user symlink
[04:32] <rusty> Mithrandir, we are not building the embedded player to look in that directory
[04:32] <Mithrandir> rusty: it's not looking in the normal mozilla directories either?
[04:33] <rusty> that's not a normal mozilla directory
[04:33] <Mithrandir> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins is
[04:33] <Mithrandir> and it's symlinked from there.
[04:33] <Mithrandir> also, why is the flash only about 3/4 of the screen width?
[04:33] <sabotage> hmm, that I haven't seen
[04:34] <rusty> Mithrandir, yea, the change from "i810" to "intel" is making the resolution come up at 1024x600 by default
[04:34] <Mithrandir> modesetting ftw.
[04:34] <rusty> so we need to fix the flash and also make a tweak to the marquee status placement
[04:35] <Mithrandir> ok, so it's something in gtkmozembed which doesn't look in the right directory?
[04:35] <rusty> sabotage, if you haven't seen this then you are using old code
[04:35] <sabotage> may be, It's at least 12 hours old ;)
[04:36] <sabotage> more likely 24, since it is Bob's custom image for OSCON demo
[04:36] <rusty> i'm not convinced the directory is the right directory... in other words, the mozilla directory is something configured in the app
[04:36] <rusty> we could make the embedded browser look there
[04:37] <rusty> sabotage, i know bob built something, and i don't know what he did but i would wager a large sum of money that he has older bits in that image
[04:37] <rusty> for example... if you rootstraps were created already
[04:37] <sabotage> seems the browser should look in a system wide location first, and then local to user ... but that's not happening, or the global location differs
[04:38] <sabotage> no idea rusty
[04:38] <rusty> the xul libraries we depend on do not use /usr/lib/mozilla
[04:38] <sabotage> but the mapping of the initrd to vmlinuz was all screwed up and they could not be rebooted w/out modifying the menu.lst to fix it
[04:39] <Mithrandir> rusty: which directories do they use them apart from /root/.mozilla/plugins?
[04:39] <rusty> sabotage, another good indication that he had old bits... he had two kernels in his image
[04:39] <sabotage> yes
[04:39] <sabotage> and it has screwed up madwifi too
[04:39] <sabotage> I'll bug him about it today
[04:40] <rusty> Mithrandir, I would have to check... but i'm pretty sure this is something that we can set in the embedded player
[04:40] <sabotage> or better yet, he should just put the media and sundy that will be used for the demo in a common location and let us build our own images
[04:40] <sabotage> adding the demo stuff on top
[04:41] <sabotage> rusty, are you back in the US yet?
[04:41] <rusty> i'm not worried about a demo... i can create something at a moments notice that works... i'm conserned about fixing the embeded player to do the right thing
[04:41] <rusty> i'm still in the UK
[04:41] <rusty> i'm coming back on Sat
[04:41] <sabotage> ah, not making it back for golf then ;)
[04:42] <sabotage> I'm sure you are vastly disapointed 
[04:42] <rusty> that's ok, i'm not a golf fan
[04:42] <sabotage> yeah, didn't figure you for one
[04:42] <rusty> if the group activity was fishing, or sailing, or drinking... then i would be depressed
[04:42] <sabotage> but, there is free food!
[04:43] <rusty> i'm traveling, i can get all the bad enlish food i can stomach for free :->
[04:43] <sabotage> true true ;)
[04:49] <Mithrandir> ok, making the link in /usr/lib/xulrunner/plugins too helps a lot.
[04:49] <Mithrandir> aka, it works then
[05:00] <rusty> sabotage, do you have the tools to rebuild a swf file?
[05:01] <sabotage> haven't done it yet so I doubt it rusty
[05:10] <rusty> Mithrandir, well... looking around the code for the embedded mozilla gtk widget, it looks like that top level path (/usr/lib/xulrunner/plugins) is compiled into the library set.  Is the correct fix to fix the adobe package?
[05:17] <Mithrandir> rusty: yes, and I'm doing so now
[05:18] <rusty> Mithrandir, how is the import of the hildon-desktop going... is that done?
[05:18] <rusty> i need to tweak a value in the desktop.conf
[05:22] <Mithrandir> rusty: it's not done.
[05:22] <antics> is UME solely meant for small UMPC type boxes or is it also intended for headless boxes?
[05:22] <Mithrandir> it's on my list for today, along with a zillion other things.
[05:23] <Mithrandir> antics: our initial target is small UMPC (aka MID) boxes.
[05:23] <Mithrandir> antics: eventually, I suspect we want to be able to do useful things for tiny, headless boxes too
[05:24] <antics> Mithrandir: cool, thanks
[05:57] <Mithrandir> rusty: please pull
[05:58] <rusty> ok
[06:03] <amitk_> mithrandir: is there a meeting today?
[06:06] <Mithrandir> amitk_: no, I asked Adilson to send out an email about that.
[06:07] <amitk_> damn.. I was waiting for no reason. I am out of here.
[06:07] <Mithrandir> sorry. :/
[06:08] <rusty> Mithrandir, btw, when you get to a good place with hildon-desktop, i need to change a line in the desktop.conf
[06:09] <bspencer_> actually, we need to breakout the /etc/hildon-desktop/<conf files> into a new pkg for each device/screen config
[06:09] <rusty> yeap
[06:09] <bspencer_> and in the longer term bake in some more dynamic discover into hildon-desktop itself so you don't need as much config
[06:10] <bspencer_> for screen dimensions inparticular
[06:11] <bspencer_> hey rusty, we're in a mtg now?
[06:11] <rusty> it was canceled
[06:12] <bspencer_> ah
[06:12] <rusty> you got an email about it
[06:12] <bspencer_> in that case, how's it going? :)
[06:12] <bspencer_> when are you coming back?
[06:12] <rusty> going fine
[06:12] <rusty> over the weekend
[06:12] <rusty> I tried to bump up my flight... but i'm stuck
[06:13] <bspencer_> alright.  agoliveira / rusty : can you give me an update of what is the status of hildon desktop in Ubuntu now?
[06:13] <bspencer_> and building images too
[06:13] <rusty> Mithrandir, is working on this
[06:13] <bspencer_> I've had my head and energies burried into our other stuff but want to try and get the desktop up on Ubuntu, etc.
[06:13] <agoliveira> bspencer_: Hi. What do you mean? You want to know if it works?
[06:13] <bspencer_> ok.  is he cursing my name yet?
[06:14] <bspencer_> agoliveira: yeah, can you build an image for a device that shows a UI, and what UI does it show, and can it launch apps, etc.
[06:14] <bspencer_> cause I know there isn't any flash in there, for example, so what happens?
[06:14] <rusty> bspencer_, it started with me trying to sneak in a huge ugly patch.... then i got smacked and Mithrandir is trying to make sense of all the stuff you guys did
[06:14] <bspencer_> ah, ok
[06:14] <bspencer_> I meant to push each change individually
[06:14] <agoliveira> bspencer_: Last time I tried, it worked but the home applet.
[06:15] <bspencer_> agoliveira: ok.  
[06:15] <agoliveira> bspencer_: I mean, on my desktop. I didn't get the device yet.
[06:15] <bspencer_> I'll play with that today.  Tribe 3 gets released today too, right?
[06:15] <rusty> we just pushed in a change to the fset that allows a user to install flash
[06:15] <agoliveira> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-3/
[06:15] <agoliveira> bspencer_: There already
[06:15] <rusty> and Mithrandir pushed a change to the adobe package to correctly setup the link to the /usr/lib/xulrunner/plugins dir
[06:16] <bspencer_> agoliveira: thx
[06:16] <bspencer_> rusty: oh, cool.
[06:16] <bspencer_> rusty: then we could have a flash desktop in Ubuntu (short term solution)
[06:16] <agoliveira> Hmmm... so, with luck, Tribe 3 + updates should do the trick.
[06:16] <rusty> bspencer_, so if you manually install the xserver that contains the composite patch, then it all works (other then we run at 1024x600)
[06:16] <rusty> bspencer_, can you get a version of flash for 1024x600?
[06:17] <agoliveira> rusty: It didn't make to Tribe 3?
[06:17] <rusty> to be honest i don't really care about tribe 3... that would be Charles
[06:18] <agoliveira> rusty: Sure.
[06:18] <bspencer_> ha ha!
[06:18] <rusty> not to mention... isn't tribe 3 only the main repository?
[06:18] <bspencer_> yeah, Charlie -- who does he work for anyway
[06:18] <bspencer_> ;)
[06:18] <bspencer_> rusty, I can work with Jeremy to get a 1024x600 version.  But my Samsung config currently boots to 800
[06:18] <rusty> it's just that real users will either use the daily builds or create their own image
[06:18] <bspencer_> if it defaulted to 1024 (our config) you'd have it already :)
[06:18] <rusty> bspencer_, no it doesn;t
[06:19] <agoliveira> bspencer_: It's a matter of fix the xorg.conf
[06:19] <bspencer_> all I know is I built the default samsung config, booted it, and it was 800x600.  So I went and made flash work.  That was at 2am a couple nights ago when Mauri needed an image ASAP
[06:19] <rusty> bspencer_, i'm not sure what you did in creating an image, but i assure you if you create an image from scratch (with no caching from a rootstrap file or attempting to build a rootfilesystme on top of an existing filesystem), then you will get a default of 1024x600
[06:20] <bspencer_> ok.  well I'll try again today
[06:20] <rusty> oh.. a couple of nights ago
[06:20] <agoliveira> bspencer_: Should work on 1024x600 as we fixed that last week.
[06:20] <rusty> that's ancient history
[06:20] <bspencer_> yeah, not last night, the night before.
[06:20] <bspencer_> Jeremy showed me a 1024 version but I didn't like it and sent him back to fix it 
[06:21] <bspencer_> I want one that just stretches for pete's sake
[06:22] <agoliveira> bspencer_: Well, you guys make up your minds ;)
[06:23] <agoliveira> bspencer_, rusty: Talking about minds, Sulamita emailed me asking to help convince you guys to come to Pycon here in Brazil next month :)
[06:24] <bspencer_> ok.  convince us
[06:24] <bspencer_> or more correctly:  ok, convince my boss it is worth the $  :)
[06:24] <rusty> i would have to get permission before they see my UK expense report :-<
[06:25] <agoliveira> bspencer_: Well, it will take place in my city and I can show you the "hot" spots ;) About your boss, I'll let Sulamita do that!
[06:25] <bspencer_> sounds great.
[06:25] <bspencer_> tell me about Pycon
[06:28] <rusty> hell, it could be a conf about windows for all i care... yea, i want to go :->
[06:28] <rusty> but i guess i should have a good argument... so yea, what is pycon?
[06:29] <agoliveira> Pycon is the annual Python congress that takes place here in Brazil. This year they want to present talks not only about Python itself but platforms that use python and they are very interested on Moblin/MID.
[06:30] <rusty> well... there you go.  How could i not go?
[06:30] <rusty> BTW, most people in the GNOME mobile meetings are pretty down on python... they claim it's a bit of a resource hog
[06:31] <rusty> of course they are running wimpy little arm processors :->
[06:31] <agoliveira> rusty, bspencer_, I just sent you some more information in pvt.
[06:35] <agoliveira> There goes the site http://pyconbrasil.com.br/ (sorry, portuguese only)
[07:20] <Mithrandir> rusty: disabling composite works around the problem with the X server too
[07:20] <rusty> Mithrandir, how do we do that?
[07:22] <bspencer_> right.  disabling composite makes it so that you can't have transparency
[07:22] <bspencer_> but we don't use it right now, so it is fine
[07:22] <Mithrandir> it's a workaround, agreed.
[07:22] <rusty> is this an xorg config kind of thing?
[07:22] <Mithrandir> rusty: yes, pull
[07:23] <rusty> pull what, samsung config?
[07:23] <Mithrandir> (as in, pull the samsung-q1-ultra-config repo)
[07:23] <Mithrandir> yes
[07:24] <rusty> Mithrandir, did you commit?
[07:24] <rusty> i'm not seeing a change
[07:25] <Mithrandir> hm
[07:25] <Mithrandir> pull again
[07:28] <rusty> looks like alek and horace were making changes... let me merge this and figure out what hey are trying to do
[07:29] <Mithrandir> it would be useful if you guys started to use an upload target of "UNRELEASED" until it's actually released.
[07:30] <rusty> Mithrandir, i was about to ask about that
[07:30] <rusty> i wasn't sure how that was used
[07:30] <rusty> i'm guessing its "UNRELEASED" until we push it into gutsy?
[07:30] <Mithrandir> yes.
[07:31] <Mithrandir> or are you uploading it to a repo on your side?
[07:31] <rusty> i am, but i'm not worred about that
[07:31] <Mithrandir> ok
[07:31] <rusty> bspencer_, did you hear that?
[07:35] <Mithrandir> ok, try to pull again now
[07:39] <agoliveira> rusty, BTW, if you guys decide to come, you are alredy invited for dinner in my house. I'm a good cook ;)
[07:39] <rusty> excelent
[07:48] <rusty> Mithrandir, btw, i pushed you change and then fixed up some of the older changelog crud
[07:48] <Mithrandir> ok, thanks.
[08:34] <Mithrandir> rusty: we need to fix the installation of the ume-config-* packages, though.. it currently requires manual work to get it to work correctly.
[08:35] <rusty> Mithrandir, ???
[08:35] <Mithrandir> rusty: it'll ask you if you want to overwrite files already on the disk
[08:36] <rusty> oh yea... remember that preinst script that you deleted
[08:36] <rusty> that's why i was doing that
[08:36] <Mithrandir> yeah
[08:36] <Mithrandir> it just seems slightly wrong to do it that way.
[08:36] <rusty> so what's the right way
[08:37] <Mithrandir> well, that way of shipping configs is not really how you do it, but I don't have a better solution offhand.
[08:47] <Mithrandir> --force-confnew to dpkg is one option.
[09:17] <Mithrandir> bspencer: can you put the source for the clouds file in mobile-basic-flash in the repository too?
[09:23] <amitk_> rusty, jacob-laptop: Any of you had a chance to test the linux-image-ume kernel?
[09:33] <Mithrandir> bspencer: oh well, I'll get the version uploaded sans that file, then.
[09:40] <Mithrandir> rusty: do you, by any chance, have the source to the test/socket_tester.swf from mobile-application-service?
[09:55] <jacob-laptop> amitk_: no, i haven't. i can give it try today. i was kind of waiting for the meta package.
[09:56] <Mithrandir> linux-image-ume | 2.6.22.8.8 |         gutsy | i386
[09:56] <Mithrandir> it's there already
[09:56] <amitk_> jacob-laptop: it should be there now
[09:56] <amitk_> jacob-laptop: it would be nice to iron out any missing drivers in the next kernel release (next week)
[09:58] <jacob-laptop> amitk_: i am adding 2D gfx kernel driver to moblin now. other than that i am not aware of other drivers
[09:59] <jacob-laptop> btw, i see the meta lpia package is in pending state. just looked at launchpad
[09:59] <amitk_> jacob-laptop: I meant drivers that I might have inadvertently removed when pruning the UME flavour config. I have already added SMP support for the next release
[09:59] <amitk_> yes
[10:00] <jacob-laptop> amitk_: let me check it on HW and let you know
[10:01] <amitk_> jacob-laptop: perfect! thanks
[10:01] <jacob-laptop> amitk_: probably by end of the week.
[10:02] <amitk_> ok
[10:19] <jacob-laptop> amitk: do you have an example of packaging an out-of-tree kernel modules? 
[10:20] <amitk> anything in lum or lrm?
[10:23] <jacob-laptop> amitk: what is the source package for lum?
[10:24] <amitk> linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22
[10:26] <jacob-laptop> got it. thanks
[10:33] <rusty> Mithrandir, no, i do not have the socket_tester.swf source... hmm... is that in the package?
[10:33] <rusty> Mithrandir, if so then we can just remove it
[10:35] <Mithrandir> rusty: it's in the source package.
[10:35] <Mithrandir> if removing it is fine with you, great.
[10:37] <rusty> yea, it's fine to remove... just a little utility some people were using to understand how to get the flash talking on a socket.  It's not that there is any reason not to release the flash source, but Jason is on sabbatical and I think he is the only one with the source.
[10:38] <Mithrandir> ok
[10:40] <Mithrandir> rusty: could you then please merge git://git.err.no/mobile-application-service ?
[10:41] <rusty> ok
[10:43] <Mithrandir> there, mas uploaded.
[10:43] <Mithrandir> please pull again so you get the changelog too
[10:45] <rusty> i've pulled your latest and pushed to the server
[10:45] <Mithrandir> ok, thanks.
[10:46] <Mithrandir> do you have any procedure in place for getting external people access to the server?  It would be useful to be able to push myself instead of having to ask you guys.
[10:49] <rusty> Mithrandir, i don't now, but can get it in place
[10:51] <Mithrandir> well, it'd be your decision as you are upstream, of course, but if it's doable, it would be nice for me to have the ability.
[10:55] <rusty> Mithrandir, no problem... we planed on it anyone, i just need to make sure i have permission yet
[10:56] <Mithrandir> sure
[10:56] <Mithrandir> and the current process works for now
[10:57] <rusty> unless i get hit my lightning... which i think almost happend when i was walking back from the pub just a bit ago... pretty strange to have it hit the building on top of you
[10:58] <Mithrandir> ouch
[11:46] <agoliveira> rusty: Once a lightning hit a wooden pole about 25 meters directly in front of me. It was something to remember. My ears didn't stop to ring for days.