| DaveMorris | superm1 for the docs, I've made it so you can stick the png/jpg file into the image dir, and it then auto gets generated into an eps file | 12:36 |
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| superm1 | cool | 12:36 |
| superm1 | that will make it easy to update | 12:36 |
| DaveMorris | was a nice bit of scripting, http://www.pastebin.ca/625376 if you fancy looking | 12:37 |
| DaveMorris | yeah thats what I though | 12:37 |
| superm1 | the amount of content is growing too i saw :) Grabbed a lot from the mythtv.org | 12:37 |
| DaveMorris | yeah, also have a ref section | 12:37 |
| superm1 | so make sure that you quote them in referenced | 12:37 |
| superm1 | okay good | 12:37 |
| DaveMorris | when are we releasing version 1? | 12:37 |
| superm1 | October or Novemnber | 12:38 |
| DaveMorris | and are we gonna feature freeze when gutsy does. | 12:38 |
| superm1 | i'd like to have the docs ready at the same time as release | 12:38 |
| superm1 | of 7.10 | 12:38 |
| superm1 | mythbuntu | 12:38 |
| DaveMorris | yeah, howeved you'll have to freeze the feature changes so we can get them done, proof read etc | 12:39 |
| superm1 | right | 12:39 |
| superm1 | i'd like to feature freeze in August | 12:39 |
| DaveMorris | I've not been proof reading yet, as it keeps on changing | 12:39 |
| DaveMorris | end of August? | 12:39 |
| superm1 | well August/September | 12:39 |
| superm1 | yea either end of Aug or begin of Sept | 12:39 |
| superm1 | wow that's quite some magic in that script | 12:39 |
| DaveMorris | well it's gpl'ed in the bzr tree so feel free to use it etc | 12:40 |
| DaveMorris | http://greenacre.no-ip.com/dave/stuff/morris-fullcircle-graphic-cluster07.pdf is the arcticle I'm writing for the fullcircle magazine atm | 12:41 |
| superm1 | graphic rendering clusters | 12:43 |
| superm1 | wow | 12:43 |
| superm1 | 12800x3600. that's amazing | 12:44 |
| DaveMorris | yeah, I max out the network, I want around $40k for a 10 gigbit network, but we have no money left :( | 12:44 |
| DaveMorris | so I'm stuck with 1gigbit | 12:45 |
| superm1 | ha. stuck at 1gigabit | 12:45 |
| superm1 | that's the first time i've heard someone say that | 12:45 |
| DaveMorris | also the company sold us the machines saying they had dual gigabit nics | 12:45 |
| DaveMorris | bullshit, 1 is 100mbit | 12:45 |
| DaveMorris | took me a while to work out why it was slow with the nic's bonded than on there own | 12:46 |
| superm1 | did you end up getting them to replace it? | 12:46 |
| DaveMorris | no, the pointed to the small print saying product may vary sligjtly from the description | 12:47 |
| superm1 | that's bogus | 12:48 |
| DaveMorris | you notice the pictures in that article shows XP running | 12:48 |
| DaveMorris | I wasn't ovely fused, its not my money | 12:48 |
| superm1 | why? | 12:49 |
| DaveMorris | why XP? | 12:49 |
| superm1 | yea | 12:49 |
| DaveMorris | it was hooked up via hardware cables, so was at crap res, but the pic was for something else. I've just used it as a spacer for where the actual pic will go. Since its the same hardware | 12:50 |
| superm1 | oh i see | 12:50 |
| DaveMorris | well I best goto bed if I wanna get to work on time. | 12:51 |
| superm1 | alrihgt | 12:52 |
| superm1 | night DaveMorris | 12:52 |
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| kap | anyone here? | 10:12 |
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| DaveMorris | why am I getting mythtv releated bugs on the mythbuntu mailing list? | 11:00 |
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| tgm4883 | Not sure DaveMorris, but i'm getting them too (and questions). | 04:02 |
| DaveMorris | but I already get them via been part of the mythtv group, I dont need them twice | 04:03 |
| tgm4883 | agreed, not needed twice | 04:10 |
| tgm4883 | hmm, perhaps because the mailing list is for ubuntu-mythtv, not mythbuntu. I thought the list wasn't going to get this stuff as it was going to be low volume? | 04:17 |
| keescook | superm1: the udev maintainer is at GUADEC this week, so it's likely I won't hear back on the udev patch for v4l until next week. :P How did your experimentation turn out? | 04:19 |
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| felix_ | join #mythtv-users | 04:37 |
| superm1 | keescook, I ran into issues getting the other thing I wanted to test to work up until 2am last night, and consequently didn't get a cd built to test with the patches. it will have to wait till tonight. | 04:39 |
| superm1 | DaveMorris, tgm4883 the contact addresses for the ubuntu-mythtv and mythbuntu group are set to the mailing list, any one can then respond to bugs/questions via email. There shouldn't be any doubles sent out afaik though. Should things be switched around?\ | 04:40 |
| tgm4883 | not sure, i think DaveMorris is getting it twice because he is in mythtv group and mythbuntu group | 04:41 |
| superm1 | so am i | 04:41 |
| tgm4883 | i only get it once | 04:41 |
| superm1 | and i only get things once | 04:41 |
| tgm4883 | hmm | 04:41 |
| tgm4883 | something on his end i suppose. Is he registered with 2 emails and one forwards? | 04:42 |
| laga | maybe he's on CC for some mails | 04:42 |
| superm1 | some of the mails were threaded | 04:42 |
| superm1 | so perhaps they looked like multiples | 04:42 |
| DaveMorris | my address on the mythbuntu list is different | 04:43 |
| superm1 | oh | 04:43 |
| DaveMorris | no I have filters set up, and I've got them in ubuntu folder (launchpad sent) and in my mythbuntu folder, sent on the mythbuntu list | 04:43 |
| superm1 | well perhaps i'll blow away the mailing list contact addy for 'mythbuntu' | 04:45 |
| superm1 | keescook, speaking of the troubles i ran into with the other testing, could you sponsor the new resultant versions i made last night: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6101 (mythbuntu-default-settings) and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6102 (mythbuntu-live-autostart) | 05:00 |
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| keescook | superm1: mythbuntu-default-settings uploaded. I can't find mythbuntu-live-autostart in the archive, though? | 05:06 |
| superm1 | keescook, i wonder if the first version didn't clear binary new yet. let me double check | 05:12 |
| superm1 | woah. what happened to LP overnight. the fonts are huge... | 05:13 |
| superm1 | yea its sitting in the queue still, if you upload the new version will it just override the old one? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?start=40 | 05:13 |
| keescook | not sure... | 05:14 |
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| superm1 | keescook, as said in #ubuntu-devel, its safe to have both versions in the queue. | 05:50 |
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| keescook | superm1: okay, cool. | 06:00 |
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| keescook | superm1: -live-autostart uploaded. :) | 06:09 |
| superm1 | great thx | 06:10 |
| keescook | also, base-files uploaded too (now that freeze is over) | 06:13 |
| superm1 | ah good. so these "freezes" are more artificially created than the archive locking things out or putting them in queue then | 06:14 |
| superm1 | mkrufky, i wanted to ask you a bit more about your desired CF configuration. Could you see if the CF reader is automatically mounted in /media? | 06:27 |
| superm1 | via gnome-volume-manager | 06:27 |
| mkrufky | hey | 06:29 |
| mkrufky | in my method, the CF is not hot-unpluggable | 06:29 |
| mkrufky | it works like any IDE hard drive | 06:29 |
| mkrufky | the computer does not know any difference | 06:29 |
| mkrufky | i think if you try to remove the CF disk, BAD BAD BAD things will happen | 06:30 |
| mkrufky | i have this very nice CF-to-IDE adapter, so i mount the CF inside the case, and you do not have access to fiddle with it without opening up the machine | 06:30 |
| mkrufky | i can show you a pic of this adapter, if you're interested | 06:30 |
| mkrufky | .... only thing to keep in mind .... you must set the linux configuration to treat the CF as a cdrom .... do not attempt to write to it -- it should be read-only | 06:31 |
| mkrufky | otherwise, cf disks can only handle a limited amount or writes.... eventually it would die | 06:31 |
| mkrufky | [silence falls upon the crowd] | 06:33 |
| Tari | any Flash media has a limited life span | 06:36 |
| Tari | it's governed by the number of times it can be erased | 06:36 |
| mkrufky | exactly.... thats why i just build the system like a livecd and then "burn" it to CF ... or a usb flash drive | 06:37 |
| mkrufky | http://techsounds.org/linux/cf/ | 06:37 |
| mkrufky | (i wrote this a few years ago) | 06:37 |
| mkrufky | superm1: did i answer your question sufficiently? | 06:42 |
| tgm4883 | mkrufky, i suppose your method would also work with a microdrive? | 06:51 |
| mkrufky | tgm4883: yes.... with a microdrive, then you do not have the limited write limitation | 06:53 |
| mkrufky | either microdrive or CF would both show as any standard IDE disk | 06:53 |
| mkrufky | using something like this: | 06:54 |
| mkrufky | http://pics2.spoonfeeder.com/AieFTPFiles/AIEUser/3JZ6TKVVPM6B/VXELSUZ3EZQK.JPG | 06:54 |
| mkrufky | the one i use is a bit different -- it allows two cf dists per adapter | 06:55 |
| mkrufky | s/dists/disks | 06:55 |
| tgm4883 | that would be really nice is a epia | 06:56 |
| tgm4883 | in one i mean | 06:56 |
| mkrufky | yes... actually... i'd love to build a mini-itx box that can do mythfrontend stuff w/ HD output | 06:58 |
| mkrufky | i'd really like to get this big clunker out of my living room -- taking up all that space | 06:59 |
| mkrufky | donate it to charity or something,. lol | 06:59 |
| tgm4883 | yea, i almost built one, but the HD on it wasn't definite. All I heard about it was that it "Should" be able to do HD | 07:04 |
| mkrufky | i havent really done the research yet.... ive read about a mini-itx board with built in HDMI outs .... that sounds nice | 07:07 |
| tgm4883 | oh sorry, yea i built a mini itx system. I was actually looking at building something a little smaller, but the HD wasn't definite. I was looking at either nano itx or pico itx http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/ | 07:13 |
| tgm4883 | the problem is the processor, as it's built in and only goes up to a certain speed since its passively cooled | 07:14 |
| tgm4883 | couple that with a microdrive, and you have 1 small quiet system | 07:14 |
| mkrufky | a flash drive would be faster.... | 07:15 |
| mkrufky | (but read only, i guess) | 07:15 |
| tgm4883 | true | 07:16 |
| tgm4883 | once setup though, would you need to write? | 07:16 |
| tgm4883 | actually the nano-itx board they have looks pretty good now, more info | 07:17 |
| tgm4883 | wonder how linux compatible it is though | 07:17 |
| mkrufky | a perfect setup should never really need to write | 07:17 |
| mkrufky | well... ideally | 07:17 |
| mkrufky | what i would do ..... is keep the build for the system on a different hard drive somewhere, and maintain two cf disks | 07:18 |
| mkrufky | one for production ... always works | 07:18 |
| mkrufky | the other for upgrading | 07:18 |
| mkrufky | this way, you can upgrade the system without jeopardizing the stable system -- can always go back to it in the event of a regression | 07:18 |
| mkrufky | (also makes the dual cf-adapter that much more handy) | 07:18 |
| superm1 | mkrufky, sorry i was out for lunch | 07:45 |
| superm1 | i understand a lot better now | 07:45 |
| mkrufky | superm1: no prob | 07:45 |
| superm1 | that method could be adapted to use the live disk (alpha 3 +) with mythbuntu-live-autostart | 07:46 |
| mkrufky | probably ... im not very familiar with mythbuntu-live yet.... but i intend to play with it soon | 07:47 |
| superm1 | well you won't see this until the next alpha (next week or two) | 07:47 |
| superm1 | i just finished the coding for it and such yesterday | 07:47 |
| mkrufky | ok | 07:50 |
| mkrufky | so then i wont try mythbuntu yet :-) | 07:51 |
| mkrufky | as it is ... my feisty mythfrontend works fine with my fc5 mythbackend server .... so i think its safe to assume that a mythbuntu frontend would work fine as well | 07:51 |
| superm1 | now if something is mounted rw, but is only read from - does that still count against the requirement on mounts? | 07:51 |
| mkrufky | its a bad idea to do that | 07:51 |
| superm1 | yes - up until final release at least | 07:51 |
| mkrufky | journaling stuff will still write stuff | 07:52 |
| mkrufky | you'd have to use vfat or ext2, i guess | 07:52 |
| mkrufky | better off to mount read only as read only | 07:52 |
| superm1 | well what you will likely do then is two partitions | 07:52 |
| mkrufky | otherwise you risk shortening the life of the media | 07:52 |
| superm1 | one that keeps the "cd image" | 07:52 |
| mkrufky | and the other for settings | 07:52 |
| superm1 | and one for configuration file and ~/.mythtv | 07:52 |
| mkrufky | in *my* case, i would keep the system on cf, and use a usb key for settings | 07:53 |
| superm1 | as long as the second is mounted in /media | 07:53 |
| superm1 | that's all that matters | 07:53 |
| superm1 | yea a usb key is cheap enough | 07:53 |
| mkrufky | yes | 07:55 |
| mkrufky | plus, you wouldnt need more that a few MB for the configuration | 07:55 |
| mkrufky | you can probably pick upa 4mb usb dohickey for a few cents, lol | 07:55 |
| superm1 | well configuration is < 1k, the ~.mythtv directory is around 9-50 megs depending on the theme you choose | 07:56 |
| mkrufky | hmm... why store the themes there and not a symlink? | 08:00 |
| superm1 | well its cached content | 08:00 |
| superm1 | scaled | 08:00 |
| superm1 | to your resolution | 08:00 |
| superm1 | that you use | 08:00 |
| mkrufky | :-/ | 08:01 |
| mkrufky | personally, i think i'd prefer to let it render every boot, and store it in a ramdisk | 08:01 |
| superm1 | well there is an option for that | 08:06 |
| superm1 | that i added | 08:06 |
| superm1 | because i had a feeling not everyone would want to do it this way | 08:06 |
| mkrufky | ok, good :-) | 08:08 |
| superm1 | actually if you really want, you can just inject the configuration into /media/SOMETHING in the cd image if you want then | 08:09 |
| superm1 | and do it all read only | 08:09 |
| mkrufky | yes... but that would mean that if you re-do your backend config and / or network / db stuff, that you'd have to re-spin a new frontend system | 08:10 |
| superm1 | well reinject the configuration file | 08:11 |
| superm1 | at least | 08:11 |
| mkrufky | true | 08:11 |
| mkrufky | that would also work | 08:11 |
| superm1 | i dont think i said above, but mythbuntu first release is going to be 0.21 based | 08:12 |
| superm1 | so if 0.21 is pushed back we will be too | 08:12 |
| superm1 | but laga is tracking trunk and has packaging to support it | 08:12 |
| mkrufky | very cool | 08:13 |
| superm1 | laga, you missing a prerm? | 08:16 |
| superm1 | laga, that appears to be your trouble | 08:17 |
| superm1 | grab the mythweb.prerm from the -fixes branch | 08:19 |
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