[12:36] superm1 for the docs, I've made it so you can stick the png/jpg file into the image dir, and it then auto gets generated into an eps file [12:36] cool [12:36] that will make it easy to update [12:37] was a nice bit of scripting, http://www.pastebin.ca/625376 if you fancy looking [12:37] yeah thats what I though [12:37] the amount of content is growing too i saw :) Grabbed a lot from the mythtv.org [12:37] yeah, also have a ref section [12:37] so make sure that you quote them in referenced [12:37] okay good [12:37] when are we releasing version 1? [12:38] October or Novemnber [12:38] and are we gonna feature freeze when gutsy does. [12:38] i'd like to have the docs ready at the same time as release [12:38] of 7.10 [12:38] mythbuntu [12:39] yeah, howeved you'll have to freeze the feature changes so we can get them done, proof read etc [12:39] right [12:39] i'd like to feature freeze in August [12:39] I've not been proof reading yet, as it keeps on changing [12:39] end of August? [12:39] well August/September [12:39] yea either end of Aug or begin of Sept [12:39] wow that's quite some magic in that script [12:40] well it's gpl'ed in the bzr tree so feel free to use it etc [12:41] http://greenacre.no-ip.com/dave/stuff/morris-fullcircle-graphic-cluster07.pdf is the arcticle I'm writing for the fullcircle magazine atm [12:43] graphic rendering clusters [12:43] wow [12:44] 12800x3600. that's amazing [12:44] yeah, I max out the network, I want around $40k for a 10 gigbit network, but we have no money left :( [12:45] so I'm stuck with 1gigbit [12:45] ha. stuck at 1gigabit [12:45] that's the first time i've heard someone say that [12:45] also the company sold us the machines saying they had dual gigabit nics [12:45] bullshit, 1 is 100mbit [12:46] took me a while to work out why it was slow with the nic's bonded than on there own [12:46] did you end up getting them to replace it? [12:47] no, the pointed to the small print saying product may vary sligjtly from the description [12:48] that's bogus [12:48] you notice the pictures in that article shows XP running [12:48] I wasn't ovely fused, its not my money [12:49] why? [12:49] why XP? [12:49] yea [12:50] it was hooked up via hardware cables, so was at crap res, but the pic was for something else. I've just used it as a spacer for where the actual pic will go. Since its the same hardware [12:50] oh i see [12:51] well I best goto bed if I wanna get to work on time. [12:52] alrihgt [12:52] night DaveMorris === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-58-165.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-58-165.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === claydoh__ [n=claydoh@66-252-58-165.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === tgm4883_laptop [n=tgm4883@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-58-165.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === a5benwillis [n=benwilli@71-12-14-250.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === varka [n=varkatop@p54A5FF03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === tgm4883_laptop [n=tgm4883@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === OpenMedia [n=sellis@203.163.71.197] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === varka [n=varkatop@p54A5FF03.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-mythtv ["Ex-Chat"] === Hugolp [n=jo@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === DaveMorris [n=dave@host-212-158-244-26.bulldogdsl.com] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === kap [n=and@218.111.121.81] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [10:12] anyone here? === kap [n=and@218.111.121.81] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === OpenMediaSupport [n=steve@60-234-129-166.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === DaveMorris [n=dave@cubert.itri.bton.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [11:00] why am I getting mythtv releated bugs on the mythbuntu mailing list? === Hugolp [n=jo@217.168.3.246] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === Hugolp [n=jo@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Hugolp [n=jo@217.168.3.246] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === Hugolp [n=jo@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Hugolp [n=jo@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === foxbuntu [n=nick@67-41-244-37.desm.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:02] Not sure DaveMorris, but i'm getting them too (and questions). [04:03] but I already get them via been part of the mythtv group, I dont need them twice [04:10] agreed, not needed twice [04:17] hmm, perhaps because the mailing list is for ubuntu-mythtv, not mythbuntu. I thought the list wasn't going to get this stuff as it was going to be low volume? [04:19] superm1: the udev maintainer is at GUADEC this week, so it's likely I won't hear back on the udev patch for v4l until next week. :P How did your experimentation turn out? === felix_ [n=felix@p549FE826.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:37] join #mythtv-users [04:39] keescook, I ran into issues getting the other thing I wanted to test to work up until 2am last night, and consequently didn't get a cd built to test with the patches. it will have to wait till tonight. [04:40] DaveMorris, tgm4883 the contact addresses for the ubuntu-mythtv and mythbuntu group are set to the mailing list, any one can then respond to bugs/questions via email. There shouldn't be any doubles sent out afaik though. Should things be switched around?\ [04:41] not sure, i think DaveMorris is getting it twice because he is in mythtv group and mythbuntu group [04:41] so am i [04:41] i only get it once [04:41] and i only get things once [04:41] hmm [04:42] something on his end i suppose. Is he registered with 2 emails and one forwards? [04:42] maybe he's on CC for some mails [04:42] some of the mails were threaded [04:42] so perhaps they looked like multiples [04:43] my address on the mythbuntu list is different [04:43] oh [04:43] no I have filters set up, and I've got them in ubuntu folder (launchpad sent) and in my mythbuntu folder, sent on the mythbuntu list [04:45] well perhaps i'll blow away the mailing list contact addy for 'mythbuntu' [05:00] keescook, speaking of the troubles i ran into with the other testing, could you sponsor the new resultant versions i made last night: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6101 (mythbuntu-default-settings) and http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6102 (mythbuntu-live-autostart) === Tari [n=Tari@mke-66-97-122-131.milwpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:06] superm1: mythbuntu-default-settings uploaded. I can't find mythbuntu-live-autostart in the archive, though? [05:12] keescook, i wonder if the first version didn't clear binary new yet. let me double check [05:13] woah. what happened to LP overnight. the fonts are huge... [05:13] yea its sitting in the queue still, if you upload the new version will it just override the old one? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?start=40 [05:14] not sure... === superm1 [i=malimonc@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:50] keescook, as said in #ubuntu-devel, its safe to have both versions in the queue. === mkrufky [n=mk@unaffiliated/mkrufky] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:00] superm1: okay, cool. === jono_ [n=jono@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:09] superm1: -live-autostart uploaded. :) [06:10] great thx [06:13] also, base-files uploaded too (now that freeze is over) [06:14] ah good. so these "freezes" are more artificially created than the archive locking things out or putting them in queue then [06:27] mkrufky, i wanted to ask you a bit more about your desired CF configuration. Could you see if the CF reader is automatically mounted in /media? [06:27] via gnome-volume-manager [06:29] hey [06:29] in my method, the CF is not hot-unpluggable [06:29] it works like any IDE hard drive [06:29] the computer does not know any difference [06:30] i think if you try to remove the CF disk, BAD BAD BAD things will happen [06:30] i have this very nice CF-to-IDE adapter, so i mount the CF inside the case, and you do not have access to fiddle with it without opening up the machine [06:30] i can show you a pic of this adapter, if you're interested [06:31] .... only thing to keep in mind .... you must set the linux configuration to treat the CF as a cdrom .... do not attempt to write to it -- it should be read-only [06:31] otherwise, cf disks can only handle a limited amount or writes.... eventually it would die [06:33] [silence falls upon the crowd] [06:36] any Flash media has a limited life span [06:36] it's governed by the number of times it can be erased [06:37] exactly.... thats why i just build the system like a livecd and then "burn" it to CF ... or a usb flash drive [06:37] http://techsounds.org/linux/cf/ [06:37] (i wrote this a few years ago) [06:42] superm1: did i answer your question sufficiently? [06:51] mkrufky, i suppose your method would also work with a microdrive? [06:53] tgm4883: yes.... with a microdrive, then you do not have the limited write limitation [06:53] either microdrive or CF would both show as any standard IDE disk [06:54] using something like this: [06:54] http://pics2.spoonfeeder.com/AieFTPFiles/AIEUser/3JZ6TKVVPM6B/VXELSUZ3EZQK.JPG [06:55] the one i use is a bit different -- it allows two cf dists per adapter [06:55] s/dists/disks [06:56] that would be really nice is a epia [06:56] in one i mean [06:58] yes... actually... i'd love to build a mini-itx box that can do mythfrontend stuff w/ HD output [06:59] i'd really like to get this big clunker out of my living room -- taking up all that space [06:59] donate it to charity or something,. lol [07:04] yea, i almost built one, but the HD on it wasn't definite. All I heard about it was that it "Should" be able to do HD [07:07] i havent really done the research yet.... ive read about a mini-itx board with built in HDMI outs .... that sounds nice [07:13] oh sorry, yea i built a mini itx system. I was actually looking at building something a little smaller, but the HD wasn't definite. I was looking at either nano itx or pico itx http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/ [07:14] the problem is the processor, as it's built in and only goes up to a certain speed since its passively cooled [07:14] couple that with a microdrive, and you have 1 small quiet system [07:15] a flash drive would be faster.... [07:15] (but read only, i guess) [07:16] true [07:16] once setup though, would you need to write? [07:17] actually the nano-itx board they have looks pretty good now, more info [07:17] wonder how linux compatible it is though [07:17] a perfect setup should never really need to write [07:17] well... ideally [07:18] what i would do ..... is keep the build for the system on a different hard drive somewhere, and maintain two cf disks [07:18] one for production ... always works [07:18] the other for upgrading [07:18] this way, you can upgrade the system without jeopardizing the stable system -- can always go back to it in the event of a regression [07:18] (also makes the dual cf-adapter that much more handy) [07:45] mkrufky, sorry i was out for lunch [07:45] i understand a lot better now [07:45] superm1: no prob [07:46] that method could be adapted to use the live disk (alpha 3 +) with mythbuntu-live-autostart [07:47] probably ... im not very familiar with mythbuntu-live yet.... but i intend to play with it soon [07:47] well you won't see this until the next alpha (next week or two) [07:47] i just finished the coding for it and such yesterday [07:50] ok [07:51] so then i wont try mythbuntu yet :-) [07:51] as it is ... my feisty mythfrontend works fine with my fc5 mythbackend server .... so i think its safe to assume that a mythbuntu frontend would work fine as well [07:51] now if something is mounted rw, but is only read from - does that still count against the requirement on mounts? [07:51] its a bad idea to do that [07:51] yes - up until final release at least [07:52] journaling stuff will still write stuff [07:52] you'd have to use vfat or ext2, i guess [07:52] better off to mount read only as read only [07:52] well what you will likely do then is two partitions [07:52] otherwise you risk shortening the life of the media [07:52] one that keeps the "cd image" [07:52] and the other for settings [07:52] and one for configuration file and ~/.mythtv [07:53] in *my* case, i would keep the system on cf, and use a usb key for settings [07:53] as long as the second is mounted in /media [07:53] that's all that matters [07:53] yea a usb key is cheap enough [07:55] yes [07:55] plus, you wouldnt need more that a few MB for the configuration [07:55] you can probably pick upa 4mb usb dohickey for a few cents, lol [07:56] well configuration is < 1k, the ~.mythtv directory is around 9-50 megs depending on the theme you choose [08:00] hmm... why store the themes there and not a symlink? [08:00] well its cached content [08:00] scaled [08:00] to your resolution [08:00] that you use [08:01] :-/ [08:01] personally, i think i'd prefer to let it render every boot, and store it in a ramdisk [08:06] well there is an option for that [08:06] that i added [08:06] because i had a feeling not everyone would want to do it this way [08:08] ok, good :-) [08:09] actually if you really want, you can just inject the configuration into /media/SOMETHING in the cd image if you want then [08:09] and do it all read only [08:10] yes... but that would mean that if you re-do your backend config and / or network / db stuff, that you'd have to re-spin a new frontend system [08:11] well reinject the configuration file [08:11] at least [08:11] true [08:11] that would also work [08:12] i dont think i said above, but mythbuntu first release is going to be 0.21 based [08:12] so if 0.21 is pushed back we will be too [08:12] but laga is tracking trunk and has packaging to support it [08:13] very cool [08:16] laga, you missing a prerm? 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