[12:42] <osxdude|desk> who me?
[12:44] <ompaul> osxdude|desk, no
[12:44] <ompaul> osxdude|desk, what are we to do with you?
[12:45] <osxdude|desk> Idk, ompaul
[12:45] <ompaul> osxdude|desk, at the risk of being really blatant what should we expect of you going forward?
[12:45] <osxdude|desk> what do you think, ompaul?
[12:45] <nixternal_> nalioth: if you get a chance, can you message me my main nick's (nixternal) IP address
[12:46] <osxdude|desk> ompaul, you should expect...wait...IT WAS  STUPID AWAY SCRIPT
[12:46] <ompaul> osxdude|desk, you need to do a little thinking
[12:47] <nalioth> nixternal_: /msg it?
[12:47] <osxdude|desk> YOU should accept that is was only an away script. It was X-chat...
[12:47] <nixternal_> nalioth: sure
[12:47] <osxdude|desk> x-chat's away thingy
[12:47] <nalioth> hwo do you message an IP address?
[12:47] <ompaul> nalioth, I think I grok what nixternal_ wants
[12:47] <ompaul> nixternal_, pm
[12:47] <nalioth> i've /msg'd nixternal
[12:48] <ompaul> k
[12:48] <ompaul> all yours
[12:48] <nalioth> dunno how to get any closer to an IP
[12:48] <ompaul> no comment
[12:48] <nixternal_> nalioth: hahaha, msg nixternal_
[12:48] <nixternal_> me
[12:48] <ompaul> haha
[12:48] <ompaul> nixternal_, be nice
[12:49] <ompaul> hehe
[12:49] <ompaul> ohh dear I am tired
[12:49] <ompaul> it is late
[12:49] <nalioth> night, ompaul
[12:49] <ompaul> yeap
[12:49] <ompaul> just a mo
[12:50] <osxdude|desk> ompaul, you should expect no away msgs, no spamming, no long names (which nobody cares about), and no caps
[12:51] <nixternal> thanks nalioth!
[12:51] <nixternal> get out of here imposter nixternal_!
[12:52] <nixternal> damn comcast changed my IP and the silly dyndns broke
[12:52] <ompaul> osxdude|desk, you might want to rejoin #ubuntu
[12:52] <nalioth> osxdude|desk: please keep the Ubuntu CoC in mind, and enjoy #ubuntu
[12:53] <ompaul> nalioth, if you have anything running on that box -tab you know what
[12:53] <ompaul> you might want to move it - it is going to go down in a couple of weeks and come up with a fresh install
[12:53] <ompaul> but that is not for a few weeks
[12:54] <ompaul> gazzAK and his utf8
[12:54] <ompaul> meh
[12:54] <nalioth> ompaul: just poor old GnewSense
[12:54] <ompaul> he ain't doing much
[12:55] <nalioth> he's performing his function very well
[12:56] <ompaul> aye
[12:56] <ompaul> okay well I will talk with you before we take it down
[12:56] <ompaul> it will only have to be down for about 10 minutes
[12:56] <ompaul> but I will be messing about for a while getting passwords and stuf
[12:56] <ompaul> in order
[12:57] <ompaul> all in all it should be back up and running within 20 mins
[03:51] <jdong> nalioth or other staff around to serve a kline to user anculz?
[03:51] <jdong> he spammed all of the ubuntu dev channels with some rectum.whatever.com link
[03:53] <jdong> nvm, looks like he magically died
[04:09] <mneptok> %btlogin
[04:09] <mneptok> grah
[04:09] <mneptok> %login
[04:12] <Burgundavia> jdong: apparently miniville and antiville are some sort of french viral site
[04:13] <Burgundavia> you have a "city" at it, which grows with each click
[04:13] <jdong> Burgundavia: interesting....
[04:13] <jdong> Burgundavia: who names their city rectum???
[04:13] <Burgundavia> somebody with serious issues
[04:13] <jdong> LOL
[04:14] <Burgundavia> I think the anti site is if you want to destroy somebody elses city
[04:14] <jdong> interesting...
[04:31] <Tm_P> bah
[04:31] <Tm_P> BAH!
[05:00] <mneptok> FE Jayx!
[05:25] <Tm_P> nice, no hot water
[05:26] <Tm_P> hilarious (=
[05:26] <ubot3> In #ubuntu-ohio, vorian said:  !beryl is dead
[05:26] <vorian> no
[05:26] <vorian> i did not
[06:12] <mortici> can i please be tested for the dcc exploit on my router i change the port
[06:12] <mortici> err changed
[06:13] <Hobbsee> yep, you're fine.
[06:13] <mortici> can i find more info on this exploit?
[06:14] <Hobbsee> !exploit
[06:14] <Hobbsee> also, if you google "netgear irc exploit" you come up with some good links
[06:14] <mortici> awsome
[06:14] <Hobbsee> ubot3: ping
[06:14] <ubot3> pong
[06:14] <ubot3> pong
[06:14] <Hobbsee> !exploit
[06:14] <Hobbsee> ubot3: exploit
[06:14] <ubot3> There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[06:14] <mortici> so can i join the normal channels now?
[06:14] <Hobbsee> okay then...
[06:14] <Hobbsee> i'm trying to find your ban still...
[06:15] <mortici> awsome thank you :)
[06:15] <Hobbsee> this was from ubuntu?
[06:16] <mortici> no kubuntu
[06:16] <Hobbsee> ahhhh...
[06:17] <mortici> :)
[06:17] <Hobbsee> mortici: well, that explains why i cant find any part of you on the #ubuntu banlist, doesnt it?  :P
[06:17] <Hobbsee> ban removed, thanks for your patience :)
[06:17] <mortici> hahah not a problem :)
[06:17] <mortici> glad you took care of me :)
[06:17] <mortici> now to fix my sound problem with some assistance
[06:17] <Hobbsee> good luck!
[06:17] <mortici> thank you!
[06:17] <mortici> :)
[06:18] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:19] <mneptok> the ban remains on your sound card.
[06:23] <Hobbsee> mneptok!
[06:28] <mneptok> ARR
[06:39] <Amaranth> !thanks
[06:39] <Amaranth> oh, bleh
[07:43] <mneptok> ummm
[07:44] <mneptok> +m does nossing?
[07:44] <Hobbsee> mneptok: where?
[07:44] <mneptok> no need now
[07:44] <mneptok> what is +m of this POS network? :D
[07:45] <Hobbsee> mneptok: is the channel +z?
[07:45] <Hobbsee> mneptok: and were you still op'd?
[07:45] <mneptok> #kubuntu is, aye
[07:45] <mneptok> i was opped and could /mode
[07:46] <mneptok> ./mode #kubuntu +m
[07:46] <mneptok> and i watched the flood
[07:46] <mneptok> (an unintentional one)
[07:47] <Hobbsee> mneptok: +z, means that as an op, you will see the flodo anyway
[07:47] <Hobbsee> including anyone +q'd
[07:48] <Hobbsee> what i saw was this.
[07:48] <Hobbsee> [15:43]  *** mneptok sets the channel mode to 'moderated'.
[07:48] <Hobbsee> [15:43]  <-- pagan0ne has left this channel.
[07:48] <Hobbsee> [15:43]  *** mneptok sets the channel mode to 'unmoderated'.
[07:48] <mneptok> lovely
[07:48] <Hobbsee> mneptok: but it means that only the people +o can see it
[07:49] <Hobbsee> so it does work
[07:49] <Hobbsee> if you want to black hole them where absolutely no one is there, use -z
[07:49] <mneptok> 'k
[07:49] <Hobbsee> which usually isnt a good idea
[07:50] <Hobbsee> easier just to deop.  serves the same purpose :P
[07:50] <mneptok> -z means +o+v don't see bsocked PRIVMSG to channel?
[07:50] <mneptok> *blocked
[07:51] <Hobbsee> hm?
[07:52] <mneptok> nm. i'll play with a test channel :)
[09:56] <SoulPropagation> Why am I banned from #ubuntu-offtopic? I don't think I've even been in there
[10:06] <Amaranth> @login
[10:06] <Amaranth> arg
[10:07] <elkbuntu> i think he might be banned because of a ban on eleaf
[10:07] <elkbuntu> who happens to also have the name of ethan
[10:08] <Amaranth> yep
[10:23] <Tm_P> anyone familiar with joomla and wiki combination?
[10:28] <Burgundavia> Tm_P: what sort?
[10:38] <Tm_T> we need to somehow include wiki to joomla
[10:39] <Burgundavia> you want a wiki in joomla?
[10:39] <Tm_T> yes
[10:39] <Tm_T> and I'm not sure what is reasonable method
[10:39] <Burgundavia> I would rather use another wiki like Mediawiki or Moin and theme them the same
[10:40] <Tm_T> problem is, we like to have same authentication to joomla and to wiki, if possiblr
[10:40] <Tm_T> and being separate means separate logins
[10:41] <Burgundavia> you can use LDAP, although Joomla auth against ldap is a major headache
[10:41] <Burgundavia> apparently Joomla 1.5 is going to be better
[10:41] <Tm_T> LDAP, hum
[10:41] <elkbuntu> Tm_P, there are things like mambowiki which integrates mediawiki iirc
[10:42] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: and bundles own (old) mediawiki with it, IIRC
[10:42] <Burgundavia> http://extensions.joomla.org/component/option,com_mtree/task,viewlink/link_id,221/Itemid,35/
[10:42] <Tm_T> if I didn't totally misread
[10:42] <Burgundavia> looks like 1.5.6
[10:42] <elkbuntu> http://sammoffatt.com.au/jauthtools/index.php?title=Main_Page might be useful too
[10:43] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: will look, thanks
[10:43] <Burgundavia> don't try the last link elkbuntu used
[10:43] <Burgundavia> or, at least, try it on a test joomla instance first
[10:45] <Tm_T> ofcourse we'll having test environment (:
[10:45] <Tm_T> with Joomla 1.5 beta and all ;)
[10:45] <Tm_T> thanks, looks like we might try ldap
[11:49] <PriceChild> *sees the first harry potter spam in debian
[12:08] <Amaranth_> yay bot attack :/
[12:10] <jrib> seems like he's having a little trouble
[12:11] <Amaranth> let's not let him get started :)
[12:15] <Amaranth> the morons are out in full force
[04:51] <elkbuntu> mc44, what the hell is she on about?
[04:51] <mc44> elkbuntu: no idea
[04:51] <mc44> but grr at people posting spoilers in general. :(
[04:51] <elkbuntu> yeah
[04:52] <elkbuntu> i havent even read the last book yet ffs
[04:52] <nalioth> spoilers?
[04:52] <nalioth> where?
[04:52] <elkbuntu> nalioth, harry potter spoiler link in #ubuntu
[04:53] <nalioth> ban them forever!
[04:53] <nalioth> :P
[04:53] <mc44> nalioth: k-line pls
[04:53] <PriceChild> When's the book out?
[04:53] <mc44> :)
[04:53] <mc44> PriceChild: 2 days or so
[04:53] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, about 36hrs or something
[04:53] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: saturday.
[04:55] <nalioth> get in line now, so you'll be the FIRST in your neighborhood to get it!!!!!
[04:55] <mc44> :)
[04:55] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:56] <nalioth> Hobbsee: stores here open at midnight
[04:56] <nalioth> no mornings involved
[04:56] <mc44> meh, I just want to read it without some git on the internet having the pleasure of spoilering me
[04:56] <Hobbsee> ahh.  i'ts 9am here
[04:56] <nalioth> Hobbsee: they always open at midnight on release days for much-sought-after-cruft
[04:57] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[04:57] <nalioth> give themselves a 9 hour head start
[04:58] <PriceChild> pfft Hobbsee you're always on in the morning
[04:59] <PriceChild> exactly
[04:59] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: yes, the part before i've gone to bed.
[04:59] <PriceChild> true :)
[05:00] <elkbuntu> nalioth, can you think of any key combo that would conveniently kill a psycho gdm and keep it killed, so as to get to a functional tty to debug :(
[05:01] <nalioth> elkbuntu: ctrl-alt-f4  > sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[05:02] <elkbuntu> nalioth, i forgot to mention that ctrl-alt-F# freezes the whole thing right up
[05:03] <nalioth> elkbuntu: ahhh
[05:03] <nalioth> you're [adjectived] 
[05:03] <nalioth> i guess ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't work, either?
[05:03] <elkbuntu> nalioth, it restarts x. not kill it off
[05:04] <mc44> elkbuntu: boot into recovery mode maybe?
[05:04] <nalioth> and it returns in psycho mode, elkbuntu ?
[05:04] <elkbuntu> the current gutsy tribe3 compiz candidate does not agree with VIA graphics cards
[05:04] <nalioth> mc44: i think she's not wanting to reboot
[05:04] <mc44> ah
[05:04] <elkbuntu> nalioth, it turns into this mode http://geekosophical.net/random/gutsytesting/RMOV0307.ogg
[05:05] <elkbuntu> mc44, livecd dear
[05:05] <mc44> oh hmm. So I shouldn't bother testing the tribe3 cd yet? :)
[05:12] <elkbuntu> mc44, if you have a VIA Unichrome graphics chip. no
[05:13] <elkbuntu> there's also a possible FS corruption somewhere
[05:13] <elkbuntu> that affects more than just via
[05:14] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu, A little late but sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop if you can get to a failsafe terminal
[05:14] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, you cant even get to that
[05:15] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, the failsafe terminal.. fails
[05:15] <elkbuntu> since it is embedded into the GDM
[05:15] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: what was yoru bug # again?
[05:15] <elkbuntu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/126971
[05:15] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu, Boot into single user mode?
[05:15] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, livecd
[05:15] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu, You can still pass kernel parameters
[05:17] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: thanks
[05:17] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, even if i can boot into a failsafe terminal, i still need the gdm to run and die before i can have logs of it dying. but once it's run, i cant switch ttys
[05:17] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu, Install ssh
[05:17] <elkbuntu> ... oh
[05:17] <elkbuntu> i get you
[05:18] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, do you think that would work?
[05:18] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: if you can ssh in, and do it that way, sure
[05:18] <elkbuntu> someone feed me boot options for a singleuser
[05:19] <elkbuntu> because this idea is crazy enough it might just work
[05:19] <nalioth> elkbuntu: do you have 2 computers in the house?
[05:20] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu, Just add the parameter "single"
[05:20] <elkbuntu> nalioth, yes, but it would involve rebooting this one for the params. google works for those too
[05:20] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, ok thanks
[05:20] <nalioth> elkbuntu: i was gonna suggest you ssh in to the afflicted box
[05:20] <elkbuntu> nalioth, read up please dear ;)
[05:30] <ikonia> is anyone awake please
[05:30] <Hobbsee> no
[05:30] <Pici> I am
[05:31] <Hobbsee> we're all asleep
[05:32] <PriceChild> Hello ikonia?
[05:33] <ikonia> PriceChild: not to worry - he left
[05:33] <ikonia> apologies I'm using a temporary client and didn't see your response
[05:33] <ikonia> I'm not used to this interface
[05:33] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, lol are those OMGsomething bugs?
[05:33] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: which?
[05:33] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: OMGTSIF?
[05:33] <Hobbsee> which bugs?
[05:34] <PriceChild> what's that one stand for again?
[05:34] <PriceChild> oh wait don't :P
[05:34] <PriceChild> i remember
[05:34] <Pici> omg this thing is frelled?
[05:34] <Pici> er
[05:34] <Hobbsee> no, hopefully we dont hit any more of them
[05:34] <PriceChild> the ones elky is having troubles with
[05:34] <Pici> gj Pici
[05:34] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, omg this s*** is f***ed
[05:34] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: meh, standard compiz bug, doesnt seem to effect much HW, not worth delaying the release over
[05:35] <PriceChild> can i quote that as "pah, elkbuntu doesn't matter"?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: if we delayed for that, i'd also want to see this fs breakage fixed too
[05:35] <Pici> I was close ;)
[05:35] <Hobbsee> as that'll hit more machines
[05:35] <Hobbsee> no
[05:35] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: actually, i'ts omg the sky is falling
[05:35] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, 'not much hardware' in this house is 1/3 of the machines then :
[05:35] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, i like mine better
[05:35] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: hehe, i meant globally, across ubuntu :P
[05:35] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: hehe, yeah
[05:36] <PriceChild> elkbuntu, gimme some input on my email on what we should add to the guidelines :P
[05:36] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, well im working on what i have a chance of getting an in-road on, but the FS breakage should be dealt with imho
[05:36] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i know.
[05:36] <PriceChild> please :)
[05:37] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: if we actually *had* a fix for it, that we knew worked, then it'd be a different story
[05:37] <elkbuntu> someone needs to do some hoodoo for ogra
[05:37] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, well aware
[05:37] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, if oli can accurately diagnose it, it will be a different story i think
[05:37] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: however, the fact that it doesnt, and is fairly complex, means that we'd effectively skip tribe 3, or have to hold another block fo main freeze, etc
[05:38] <Hobbsee> true
[05:38] <mc44> PriceChild: why not "Retaliation is unacceptable" :P
[05:38] <GazzaK> wassn't me
[05:39] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu, How is it working out with single user mode ssh and all?
[05:39] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, but i ddo agree if there is a list of known dead hardware, it's feasible to have a nice big red 72pt 'YES WE KNOW THESE ARE B0RKED' sign with it
[05:39] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: heh :)
[05:39] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, slowly. ssh to a livecd isnt the speediest of shell environments ;)
[05:39] <Hobbsee> there's no list, unfortunately.
[05:40] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, i didnt say it had to be complete from the beginning
[05:40] <PriceChild> mc44, meh that could stop say retaliating against bot attacks by using access to ban for example
[05:40] <elkbuntu> and putting the tribe out will very likely assist in diagnosis
[05:40] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: that's what i'm thinking
[05:42] <mc44> PriceChild: only if you completely redefine retaliation :P
[05:42] <PriceChild> mc44, :)
[05:43] <elkbuntu> hmm... what is a command to watch a log real-time? is it tail or is that just a once-off?
[05:43] <Pici> elkbuntu: tail -f
[05:43] <elkbuntu> Pici, thanks
[05:46] <ikonia> guys please keep an eye on zepolen in #ubuntu - he was the one trolling and just being a pain earlier. He left but has come back
[05:46] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, what does single user set as the password for the root user, or is there none?
[05:46] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: there is none.
[05:46] <nalioth> elkbuntu: there is no root user, is there?
[05:46] <ikonia> elkbuntu: it doesn't set one
[05:47] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: actually, it's blank
[05:47] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: which is also a string fo characters, which ogra knows about
[05:48] <elkbuntu> nalioth, single user boot option mode
[05:53] <elkbuntu> heh... didnt think to create a user until now
[05:55] <elkbuntu> grrr
[05:55] <Hobbsee> \o/
[05:57] <elkbuntu> wtf it still wont let me in
[05:58] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: ssh?
[05:58] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, yes. single user root doesnt have an actual password
[05:59] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: Just to cover all bases you have installed openssh-server?
[05:59] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, yes
[05:59] <elkbuntu> melissa@centaur:~$ ssh root@192.168.0.3
[05:59] <elkbuntu> root@192.168.0.3's password:
[05:59] <elkbuntu> Permission denied, please try again.
[05:59] <elkbuntu> root@192.168.0.3's password:
[05:59] <elkbuntu> Permission denied, please try again.
[05:59] <elkbuntu> root@192.168.0.3's password:
[05:59] <elkbuntu> is kinda the problem
[06:00] <Jordan_U> passwd ?
[06:01] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: have you set a root password?
[06:01] <ikonia> if its on the network its not in single user mode
[06:01] <elkbuntu> ikonia, try tell the livecd that
[06:01] <mc44> elkbuntu: log in as ubuntu/ubuntu?
[06:02] <ikonia> elkbuntu: boot from your normal grub menu (no cd) interupt it and root "single" after the linx kernel boot line eg: root=/dev/hda1 single
[06:02] <ikonia> elkbuntu: you'll get put into single user on your current system then
[06:03] <elkbuntu> ikonia, it's not that simple. there is no grub on this system yet. this system only has XP on the hdd. i am trying to install gutsy, but this is not even booting the daily. i am trying to get some form of evaluation of the gdm log to find out why
[06:03] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: If you want an even crazier Idea you could try enabling persistence :)
[06:04] <ikonia> elkbuntu you could always just boot the livecd and mount the hard disk manually ?
[06:04] <ikonia> take a look at the gdm log
[06:04] <ikonia> ooh
[06:04] <ikonia> sorry
[06:05] <ikonia> ONLY has XP on it
[06:05] <elkbuntu> ikonia, yes, i'm rebuilding the machine.
[06:05] <ikonia> elkbuntu: where are you trying to see the gdm log
[06:05] <ikonia> from the gusty install cd ?
[06:05] <ikonia> or a previous install ?
[06:05] <elkbuntu> ikonia, as the livecd boots
[06:05] <ikonia> elkbuntu ahhh got you
[06:06] <ikonia> elkbuntu can you not let it boot and then drop into a terminal ?
[06:06] <elkbuntu> ikonia, that's the part of the gdm breakage that makes it oh so much fun. no. it locks up
[06:06] <elkbuntu> why else would i be trying to see the log via ssh to a livecd. sheesh :
[06:07] <ikonia> elkbuntu ahh I see
[06:07] <ikonia> as you say, not simple
[06:07] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: I assume safe graphics mode is no help?
[06:07] <mc44> elkbuntu: did try ssh with ubuntu as the user?
[06:08] <elkbuntu> mc44, yes. single user mode has one user. root
[06:08] <mc44> elkbuntu: passwd doesn't work?
[06:09] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: Is there something you could do to get X to fail to start at boot instead of doing single user mode?
[06:09] <ikonia> elkbuntu are you creating the cd your self or using a pre-build iso  ?
[06:09] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, no. there's no 'kill x' keycombo
[06:09] <elkbuntu> ikonia, pre-built gutsy daily build
[06:09] <ikonia> rats so you can't even add a user and re-build
[06:09] <elkbuntu> ZOMG I AM IN
[06:10] <ikonia> elkbuntu: how ?
[06:10] <elkbuntu> i was doing the password bit wrong
[06:10] <elkbuntu> since i always have to read the goddam man page to do passwd right
[06:10] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: I meant more along the lines of a kernel parameter that would screw something up so that x would crash when it tried to load rather than prevent it from trying
[06:10] <mc44> heh
[06:10] <elkbuntu> since i do it like once every 6mths
[06:12] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: I would loan you my card if I could, it's a guarenteed fail, won't even work with VESA :)
[06:12] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, well actually, this VIA doesnt like the safe graphics mode either. but that's part of the FS b0rkage that is making this oh so more fun
[06:13] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, we have 2 nice complex breakages ;)
[06:14] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: If you use safe graphics mode will X fail to load?
[06:14] <mc44> seems a bit silly to release the tribe then/ *coughs and runs from Hobbsee fast*
[06:14] <Hobbsee> mc44: there is no good solution
[06:14] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, it doesnt get as far as x actually
[06:14] <Hobbsee> mc44: excluding the one about early testing.  which obviously we cant go back and do
[06:14] <elkbuntu> (hint, that bit is not to do with the via)
[06:15] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, if you want to see an interesting error: http://geekosophical.net/random/gutsytesting/RIMG0308.JPG
[06:15] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: Isn't that what you want, it will keep the GDM from loading
[06:15] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, it doesnt get as far as a prompt. see the pic
[06:15] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: I am actually console bound trying to get X to start on the daily :)
[06:16] <mc44> Hobbsee: I suppose it depends on what the point of the Tribe cds are in the first place
[06:16] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, a functional tty?! WOW!!!!
[06:16] <mc44> Hobbsee: if they were perfect we could release now :P
[06:17] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: Yes, because X never started :) I am trying to cause the same serendipitous failure for you now :)
[06:17] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:17] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, you literally get trapped in the looping gdm, until you do something that makes the whole damn thing freeze and the only way to a sane shutdown is ctrl-alt-del
[06:18] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, it was gonna happen eventually
[06:18] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: out of curiosity does alt+sysrq+ ( whatever key gives you keyboard input ) let you switch to a tty?
[06:19] <Jordan_U> Can't confortably google the key right now :)
[06:20] <Jordan_U> Ok, I think I have it to the point where I can start X, should I run startx to bypass the GDM or try the GDM ( considering I have openssh-server installed and may be able to get some logs ) ?
[06:21] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: so it seems.
[06:22] <elkbuntu> anyway. i have logs now :D
[06:23] <Hobbsee> yay!
[06:23] <mc44> Hobbsee: I know who the target it, don't worry :)
[06:23] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:28] <Jordan_U> Well that failed miserably
[06:30] <Jordan_U> So again, if I am able to get X to start should I try logging in from GDM?
[06:31] <Jordan_U> So again, if I am able to get X to start should I try logging in from GDM?
[06:32] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: ?
[06:33] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, are you able to get the xorg log onto a pastebin at all?
[06:33] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: If I can get another machine to ssh into this one yes
[06:34] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: I think that is one of the things upstream can grab also
[06:34] <elkbuntu> what is the hurdle to that atm?
[06:35] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: Installing fglrx and convincing my friend to let me borrow his laptop :)
[06:37] <Jordan_U> So should I try it? How likely am I to have the same problem with gdm and how importand is getting the logs?
[06:38] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, well, if i can see the logs, i can maybe suggest a way to get it at least bootable
[06:38] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: Trying now...
[06:39] <elkbuntu> i have a few ATIs myself. im not exactly a newbie to their issues
[06:40] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: gdm doesn't seem to be doing anything, I ran sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start and so far nothing has happened
[06:40] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, get me a copy of the /var/log/Xorg.0.log please
[06:40] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: OK, I'll try
[06:42] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, if you cant manage a ssh gig. try installing apache and cping it to /var/www/ and giving me a url
[06:45] <elkbuntu> wtf? pitti nicked off too? :(
[06:47] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: I think that what I have so far is just going to show you my VESA driver problem
[06:48] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, probably. let me decide
[06:48] <Jordan_U> I am saving things to a flash drive so anything you want me to get / try before I reboot?
[06:50] <elkbuntu> not at this point
[06:50] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: X / GDM has started !
[06:50] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, how did you do that?!
[06:51] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: installed ati drivers and started gdm, gnome-session is started also :)
[06:51] <Jordan_U> I am going to try to pastebin / connect from X
[06:51] <elkbuntu> imagine that
[06:51] <elkbuntu> i suspect the problem with the vesa was certain modules enabled, btw
[06:52] <Jordan_U> elkbuntu: Just so you know the VESA problem also exists for me in Edgy / Feisty
[06:53] <Jordan_U_X> Hi :)
[06:53] <elkbuntu> Jordan_U, ati cant cope with it's own drivers half the time, let alone those for something else :
[06:54] <elkbuntu> brb, need nicotine after the ssh-to-livecd trauma
[06:55] <Jordan_U_X> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30454/
[06:57] <Jordan_U_X> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30455/ ( Xorg.0.log.old )
[06:58] <elkbuntu> ok, i'll look in a bit
[09:41] <jrib> heh, their random text managed to hilight me
[09:42] <mc44> there was enough of it :)