| Allex | is it possible to change the iconpack in xubuntu? | 12:28 |
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| TheSheep | bad_cables: I just had 10 cds with feisty sent to me, with bonus stickers | 12:28 |
| TheSheep | Allex: settings->userinterface settings, second tab | 12:29 |
| vidd_laptop | TheSheep, what kind of stickers they send? | 12:29 |
| Allex | tnx | 12:29 |
| bad_cables | have you guys ever had people complaining about xubuntu CD boot problems on specific architectures? | 12:30 |
| bad_cables | no kidding, you just sold ubuntu to thousands of kids across america by making iconic stickers to define their generation | 12:30 |
| TheSheep | vidd_laptop: http://www.zerohex.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/ubuntu%20stickers.jpg | 12:30 |
| bad_cables | well just to let you know, i never had been able to boot xubuntu 6 on this box | 12:32 |
| bad_cables | it is an Ezra... a via compact 800Mghz server | 12:32 |
| bad_cables | but 7 boots just fine with no hitch, a little slow on the install as compared to other OS's | 12:33 |
| bad_cables | but no stalls or anything | 12:33 |
| bad_cables | and low heat on use too | 12:33 |
| Jester45 | bad_cables, 7.04 has a newer kernel so it has better hardware support | 12:33 |
| bad_cables | i was using DSL before this, which ran like motor, but... i forgot every password to it | 12:34 |
| bad_cables | and apperantly i had upgraded DSL with audio software into a non supported or supportable direction | 12:35 |
| bad_cables | so i just paved | 12:35 |
| bad_cables | well give me an app to write a help file for... and i will try my best in english first | 12:40 |
| bad_cables | i have an employee that i can threaten with torture and death if he doesnt translate into spanish/french/portuguess | 12:40 |
| bad_cables | i can even charge off company overtime for him to do it | 12:41 |
| bad_cables | but keep your mouth shut about that one ;) | 12:42 |
| bad_cables | please | 12:42 |
| bad_cables | lol | 12:42 |
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| Allex | if i download a icon pack, how do i install it or be able to choose it in the meny of packs? | 01:01 |
| cellofellow | Allex: extract it into /usr/share/icons, or into ~/.icons | 01:02 |
| Allex | ok | 01:02 |
| cellofellow | then it will be available in User Interface Settings. | 01:02 |
| Allex | tnx | 01:02 |
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| neozen | meep | 01:37 |
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| keb | did anyone figure out how to stop that annoying border/icon flashing when a background window is updated? | 01:54 |
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| TheSheep | keb: it's not when the window is updated, it's hen the application send an 'urgent' hint to the window manager | 02:08 |
| keb | oic | 02:08 |
| keb | so i have to get the wm to ignore it | 02:08 |
| keb | i don't see a setting for that in Settings, Window Manager or Window Manager Tweaks | 02:10 |
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| TheSheep | keb: because it's agains the specificatiosn to ignore it. you also don't have options to ignore any of hundreds other signals that the application could send | 02:13 |
| keb | hmm. how about not ignore but take a different action, such as "nop" | 02:13 |
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| TheSheep | keb: how about you make the application not send that signal? | 02:14 |
| asim | can someone help me with mozilla settings? | 02:14 |
| TheSheep | keb: should be easier and won't break all the other apps | 02:14 |
| keb | TheSheep : thanks, i'll consider which apps really bug me when they do that | 02:15 |
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| keb | asim you may get better results in #firefox | 02:24 |
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| toast065 | im here | 02:44 |
| keb | yay | 02:45 |
| toast065 | woot | 02:45 |
| toast065 | neo? | 02:46 |
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| toast065 | you all here for xubuntu? | 02:49 |
| toast065 | im doing a new install | 02:49 |
| vidd_laptop | im here to give out help | 02:49 |
| keb | yessir | 02:49 |
| Jester45 | im here to help to | 02:50 |
| toast065 | should i just install regularly or safe graphics mode, which is the best | 02:50 |
| Jester45 | vidd_laptop, did you look at the site? to you like the first or 2nd table better | 02:50 |
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| toast065 | ouch | 02:51 |
| vidd_laptop | toast065, i prefer the alt install where it dont matter | 02:51 |
| neozen | toast065: indeed... alternate install always works | 02:51 |
| Jester45 | not always | 02:52 |
| toast065 | alt? | 02:52 |
| neozen | toast065: but you should have enough ram to use the graphical install | 02:52 |
| Jester45 | but is much more likly to work | 02:52 |
| neozen | toast065: ie... the image with desktop in the name | 02:52 |
| neozen | toast065: image with alternate in the name is a text-based install | 02:52 |
| neozen | toast065: try installing regularly first | 02:53 |
| toast065 | k | 02:53 |
| neozen | toast065: what kind of graphics card? | 02:53 |
| Jester45 | its very simualr to the regualr install but is faster and much more powerfull (and doesnt messup as much) | 02:53 |
| neozen | .... I think its time for me to install an actual doc | 02:53 |
| neozen | my panel is getting a little out of hand | 02:54 |
| Jester45 | doc? | 02:54 |
| neozen | dock | 02:54 |
| toast065 | dell inspiron 2500 | 02:54 |
| neozen | thing usually at bottom of screen on a mac... has a bunch of icons representing running programs or launchers for them... | 02:55 |
| toast065 | ahhhhhhhh now i see the alt install iso, i burned the one on the top | 02:56 |
| vidd_laptop | yeah...they REALLY should have it higher on the page | 02:57 |
| toast065 | or make a mention of it | 02:57 |
| neozen | screenshot on the way... | 02:58 |
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| neozen | http://neozen.homelinux.org/~neozen/timefordock.png | 03:01 |
| neozen | I've been using an xfce panel.... and it think its just time to move to an actual dock-type application instead | 03:02 |
| neozen | can anyone recommend an intuitive one that isn't dependant on gnome or kde? | 03:02 |
| toast065 | sexy | 03:03 |
| toast065 | i like the colors | 03:03 |
| neozen | toast065: heh... me too... took a little work (installing themes, fixing firefox to work with that particular dark theme) ... and, of course, moving panels around and configuring the launchers | 03:04 |
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| neozen | toast065: I find this layout really really usable | 03:04 |
| toast065 | ok... 40 free gigs, in what way should i partition the disk? | 03:07 |
| Jester45 | i like a / partition of 4gb an /etc of 2gb and a 300mb swap and the rest to /home | 03:08 |
| toast065 | explain | 03:09 |
| toast065 | like what are they used for? | 03:09 |
| Jester45 | /home is where your user data goes and a lot of the config files | 03:11 |
| toast065 | i see | 03:11 |
| Jester45 | /etc is more configs | 03:11 |
| toast065 | like hardware? | 03:11 |
| Jester45 | / is the rest of your system that isnt in the other partitions | 03:11 |
| Jester45 | like system programs like apt | 03:13 |
| toast065 | ah | 03:13 |
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| Jester45 | ie /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 03:13 |
| neozen | Jester45: 2gb etc? | 03:13 |
| neozen | that's... huge | 03:13 |
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| Jester45 | i said thats what i do | 03:14 |
| toast065 | whats the etc used for? | 03:14 |
| neozen | system-wide configurations | 03:14 |
| toast065 | thats understandable | 03:14 |
| Jester45 | like apt or xorg | 03:14 |
| neozen | Jester45: though I can see why you would want to split that off | 03:14 |
| neozen | Jester45: admin? | 03:15 |
| Jester45 | yea | 03:15 |
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| neozen | makes perfect sense then | 03:15 |
| neozen | toast065: you most likely won't need to split off etc | 03:16 |
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| Jester45 | has his* | 03:16 |
| === neozen nods ... splitting of var makes perfect sense on a server | ||
| toast065 | whats the point of splitting it? | 03:16 |
| neozen | toast065: allows reinstall of operating system without need to back up data in that directory | 03:16 |
| Jester45 | so that you can back it up easier and upgrades dont erase your configs | 03:17 |
| neozen | prior to the install | 03:17 |
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| toast065 | never thought of that | 03:17 |
| neozen | toast065: at the very minimum... use a different partition for /home | 03:18 |
| neozen | ...makes all the difference in the world when first starting out with linux | 03:18 |
| toast065 | so say 2 gb for /ect and the rest for /home? | 03:18 |
| Jester45 | toast065, you need a / also and swap | 03:18 |
| Jester45 | the / is for things that you dont split off | 03:19 |
| Jester45 | neozen, you an admin also? | 03:19 |
| neozen | lol... or just a 2gb / (I still haven't filled up mine.... though I don't use this machine as a server) 256mb swap and use the rest for /home | 03:19 |
| neozen | Jester45: only of my own systems | 03:19 |
| Jester45 | o | 03:19 |
| neozen | Jester45: no one paying me.... to do this.... yet | 03:19 |
| neozen | Jester45: though I'm looking for something more in the developer line of work | 03:20 |
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| neozen | Jester45: (just finished my undergrad)\ | 03:20 |
| toast065 | well im currently on the partition part, reminding you ive never done this before, ive used knoppix but thats it | 03:20 |
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| neozen | Jester45: heh.. and you've already got a job doing administration.... not too shabby | 03:24 |
| Jester45 | yep | 03:25 |
| Jester45 | the goodness of irc | 03:25 |
| neozen | toast065: no worries... we'll get you through | 03:25 |
| toast065 | ah | 03:25 |
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| toast065 | does it matter in which order you create the partitions? | 03:26 |
| neozen | toast065: nope | 03:26 |
| neozen | toast065: but I think / has to be bootable | 03:26 |
| Jester45 | well its /boot but if you dont make it / has to be it | 03:26 |
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| toast065 | ok 300mb swap primary at beginning, what next | 03:27 |
| Jester45 | toast065, how much ram do you have | 03:27 |
| toast065 | 256 | 03:27 |
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| Jester45 | you might want more. if your a power user | 03:27 |
| toast065 | i know it could go up to 512, didnt do it | 03:28 |
| Jester45 | many people say to have 2x your ram unless you got a lot | 03:28 |
| toast065 | well then i need two 256 SD laptop cards | 03:28 |
| toast065 | cheap | 03:29 |
| neozen | Jester45: lol | 03:29 |
| neozen | toast065: what will you be using this box for? | 03:29 |
| neozen | as a server or just a desktop/workstation machine? | 03:29 |
| Jester45 | like my most used desktop has 4gb ram so i have 300mb of swap and it never get touched | 03:30 |
| neozen | even with 1gb ram... swap doesn't get touched | 03:30 |
| neozen | ..but with only 256 ... chances are it will | 03:30 |
| toast065 | its my first time using linux, thought id start it before school starts this fall, though i think they use red hat | 03:30 |
| neozen | heh | 03:30 |
| neozen | well things are a little different in ubuntus/debian | 03:31 |
| toast065 | i know | 03:31 |
| neozen | kk | 03:31 |
| toast065 | ive seen both and i like ubuntu better | 03:31 |
| Jester45 | still its good to start | 03:31 |
| neozen | the best imho | 03:31 |
| neozen | anyway... | 03:32 |
| neozen | oh... have you covered filesystem types? | 03:32 |
| neozen | yet jester? | 03:32 |
| toast065 | no | 03:33 |
| neozen | swap partition must be linux-swap | 03:33 |
| Jester45 | to him? no | 03:33 |
| toast065 | well i know ntfs and fat but thats it | 03:33 |
| neozen | and for / and /home I recommend ext3 | 03:33 |
| Jester45 | i use reiser on everything but /home /boot | 03:33 |
| Jester45 | toast065, those are window's formats they are slow and suck | 03:34 |
| neozen | toast065: welcome to the many ways to skin the cat | 03:34 |
| Jester45 | hehe | 03:34 |
| toast065 | im excited | 03:34 |
| neozen | toast065: this is good | 03:34 |
| neozen | toast065: feel free to experiment | 03:34 |
| neozen | toast065: its what linux is all about | 03:34 |
| neozen | toast065: just have the install disk handy incase you make something go kaboom | 03:35 |
| neozen | toast065: (which most of the time you can only induce as root) | 03:35 |
| neozen | making things go boom that is | 03:35 |
| Jester45 | and remember if do somehow mess it up really bad. a reinstall only takes time (and even less with seprate partitions) | 03:35 |
| neozen | indeed | 03:35 |
| neozen | that's why we are recommending you split off /home | 03:36 |
| Jester45 | boom a user can do a kaboom only root :) | 03:36 |
| neozen | Jester45: indeed | 03:36 |
| Jester45 | once you know linux you can get things set up very quickly after a install | 03:36 |
| neozen | "hey.... where'd my files go? .... I only did a rm * .o " | 03:36 |
| neozen | toast065: notice the space between the star and the dot | 03:37 |
| neozen | ......baaaaad | 03:37 |
| Jester45 | neozen, for for got to add the sudo to that rm | 03:37 |
| toast065 | ok so ive got my swap and free space, whats the next one? | 03:38 |
| neozen | Jester45: that should still make your files disappear | 03:38 |
| Jester45 | /home | 03:38 |
| neozen | Jester45: files for your user that is | 03:38 |
| Jester45 | neozen, only /home files | 03:38 |
| Jester45 | yep but a sudo on that would be really bad | 03:38 |
| toast065 | how big? | 03:38 |
| neozen | yeah... still disastrous for that user | 03:39 |
| neozen | toast065: well ... you've already made / right? | 03:39 |
| neozen | toast065: you should make that first | 03:39 |
| neozen | toast065: so you can just set the size of /home to be whatever is leftover | 03:39 |
| Jester45 | o yea | 03:40 |
| Jester45 | i wasnt thinking | 03:40 |
| toast065 | ok | 03:42 |
| toast065 | ive still got 39 gigs left, how much for /home and the other partitions? | 03:42 |
| neozen | toast065: after creating / and /swap? | 03:43 |
| neozen | toast065: set the rest to /home | 03:43 |
| toast065 | wait... | 03:43 |
| neozen | Jester45: don't think there's any real need for a newbie to split of /etc | 03:43 |
| neozen | Jester45: makes perfect sense on a server though | 03:43 |
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| neozen | Jester45: apache/firewall configuration/ssh keys alone make it worth the slight loss of space | 03:44 |
| toast065 | this whole just "/" thing kinda confuses me, what is it and why not lable it? | 03:44 |
| neozen | heh | 03:44 |
| neozen | toast065: / is the top of the filesystem treee | 03:45 |
| toast065 | like desktop? | 03:45 |
| neozen | kind of like c:\ in dos and windows | 03:45 |
| toast065 | ok ok ok | 03:45 |
| toast065 | thats easy now | 03:45 |
| Jester45 | kinda like c;\ and kinda like c;\windows\ | 03:46 |
| neozen | unixes just have the slash backwards | 03:46 |
| vidd_laptop | no...winows does | 03:47 |
| === neozen nods | ||
| neozen | to a windows user... its backwards | 03:47 |
| vidd_laptop | unixes were there first | 03:47 |
| neozen | inDEEd | 03:47 |
| Jester45 | http:// / c;\ whats the oddball | 03:47 |
| neozen | call it a typo induced by lack of foodage | 03:47 |
| Jester45 | :) | 03:47 |
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| vidd_laptop | it is just another case where M$ fouled something up and called it a "feature" | 03:49 |
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| Jester45 | like auto defrag when they could just fix the problem | 03:49 |
| neozen | I just love linux for the shear enormity of choices available to the user | 03:50 |
| neozen | even just visually... | 03:51 |
| neozen | all the window managers, desktop environments, themes, | 03:51 |
| toast065 | so for / do i call the mount point /? | 03:51 |
| neozen | YEP | 03:52 |
| Jester45 | or if you like non-visually | 03:52 |
| vidd_laptop | well...M$ gives you choices too....do you want your system to crash from which of the millions of viruses..... | 03:52 |
| vidd_laptop | =] | 03:52 |
| neozen | rat poison.... | 03:52 |
| neozen | or even just a terminal window with screen | 03:52 |
| toast065 | should i use it as ext3? | 03:53 |
| neozen | toast065: sure | 03:53 |
| neozen | you can experiment later | 03:53 |
| Jester45 | ext3 is good for all but swap | 03:53 |
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| neozen | swap must be linux-swap | 03:54 |
| toast065 | well its not available for swap | 03:54 |
| neozen | that's for a reason ::grins:: | 03:54 |
| toast065 | i know that | 03:55 |
| toast065 | ok got swap and /, rest to home? | 03:57 |
| neozen | yep | 03:57 |
| vidd_laptop | how much to /? | 03:58 |
| toast065 | 37 gigs | 03:58 |
| toast065 | out of 40 | 03:58 |
| vidd_laptop | 37 gig for /? | 03:58 |
| vidd_laptop | or for /home? | 03:58 |
| toast065 | home | 03:58 |
| neozen | 37gb to /home | 03:58 |
| Jester45 | toast065, you got it backwards /home is better than . | 03:58 |
| Jester45 | ok | 03:58 |
| Jester45 | good | 03:58 |
| toast065 | oh right, i see it | 03:59 |
| Jester45 | toast065, if you ever did a windows install you will love the formating speed you will see next | 04:00 |
| neozen | lol | 04:00 |
| neozen | yeah... that was good stuff | 04:00 |
| neozen | poof! its done! | 04:00 |
| neozen | and xubuntu installed for me in about 15 minutes | 04:00 |
| toast065 | ok then | 04:01 |
| neozen | not including time to input partitions, usernames, etc | 04:01 |
| vidd_laptop | first time i saw it, i thought something went wrong | 04:01 |
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| neozen | lol | 04:02 |
| vidd_laptop | less then 10 minutes on 2 120gig hdd's | 04:03 |
| vidd_laptop | went to the store to get some smokes...got back and it was done | 04:04 |
| neozen | hehe... well.... only 2gb or so of it actually gets used | 04:04 |
| neozen | for xubuntu... | 04:04 |
| neozen | the rest... is all yours | 04:04 |
| neozen | ...I dare anyone to make windows xp fit in 2gb and be happy about it | 04:04 |
| vidd_laptop | heck....try to get vista to play nice with only 2gb of ram | 04:05 |
| neozen | or only 1? | 04:06 |
| neozen | ...(all I have in this laptop) | 04:06 |
| neozen | linux rejoices anyway | 04:06 |
| toast065 | damn | 04:07 |
| toast065 | ok something went wrong | 04:07 |
| vidd_laptop | how so? | 04:07 |
| toast065 | cannot mount volume | 04:08 |
| vidd_laptop | live or alt cd? | 04:08 |
| toast065 | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/ sda1, missing codepage or other error in some cases useful into is found in syslog -try dmesg | tail or so | 04:10 |
| neozen | O.o | 04:10 |
| neozen | toast065: well run dmesg |tail | 04:10 |
| Pumpernickel | If it's the livecd, check bug 107259. | 04:11 |
| neozen | that's that bug number | 04:11 |
| toast065 | should i download and burn the alt? | 04:11 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259 | 04:11 |
| Pumpernickel | Yes. It's more reliable. | 04:11 |
| neozen | that bug rear its ugly head on any particular systems? | 04:12 |
| neozen | ie... sata vs ide etc? | 04:12 |
| vidd_laptop | toast065, yes...go with the alt | 04:12 |
| neozen | I installed from livecd ... and haven't experienced this bug | 04:12 |
| toast065 | how do i post pics on this board? | 04:15 |
| Pumpernickel | Thumbtacs. | 04:15 |
| vidd_laptop | !paste | 04:16 |
| ubotu | pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) | 04:16 |
| toast065 | well ok i have a picture where can i upload it too? | 04:17 |
| vidd_laptop | !paste | toast065 | 04:18 |
| ubotu | toast065: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) | 04:18 |
| neozen | ...pastebin can handle pics? | 04:20 |
| neozen | O.o | 04:21 |
| neozen | didn't know that | 04:21 |
| vidd_laptop | it cant? | 04:21 |
| neozen | nope... it can't... | 04:22 |
| neozen | I'll post on the server here and give ye all the url | 04:22 |
| toast065 | yeah i was pretty mystified by what you were saying there | 04:23 |
| neozen | http://neozen.homelinux.org/~neozen/DSC00066.JPG | 04:23 |
| neozen | doesn't swap have to be formatted as well? | 04:23 |
| Jester45 | it might beable to with this http://rifers.org/blogs/gbevin/2005/4/11/embedding_images_inside_html | 04:23 |
| vidd_laptop | nope...dont believe so | 04:24 |
| neozen | heh... no worries... you'll find it at the url I posted | 04:24 |
| toast065 | did i do anything wrong with the partitions? | 04:24 |
| neozen | yeah... I think swap needs to be formatted... but I don't think that condition matches the error message | 04:24 |
| neozen | have I got this wrong guys? | 04:25 |
| toast065 | thats what im asking | 04:25 |
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| j1mc | hi all . . . how do i take a screenshot w/o using the screenshooter plugin? | 04:25 |
| j1mc | anyone know? | 04:25 |
| Jester45 | there are some cli apps | 04:25 |
| Jester45 | dont know the name | 04:25 |
| Jester45 | !screenshot | 04:26 |
| ubotu | Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button or the File -> Acquire menu in the GIMP. | 04:26 |
| neozen | ...well... there you go... | 04:26 |
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| neozen | didn't know prtscr worked under linux like that | 04:26 |
| j1mc | thanks... i tried the printscreen button. i'll see about the gimp thing, though. thanks. | 04:26 |
| j1mc | ttyl | 04:26 |
| neozen | farewell... | 04:26 |
| Jester45 | j1mc, there are apps that you can bind to the print screnn | 04:26 |
| toast065 | ok so based from how i made my partitions did i do something wrong to get that sort of error message? | 04:27 |
| j1mc | Jester45: like what? | 04:27 |
| toast065 | did i create my partitions incorrectly or do they look how they should? | 04:28 |
| neozen | toast065: I think swap has to be formatted... and you didn't set the mountpoint for swap to be /swap | 04:28 |
| neozen | ...that's the first thing that leaps out at me | 04:28 |
| neozen | but you might not need to... | 04:28 |
| j1mc | Jester45: i'll figure it out . . . :) | 04:28 |
| j1mc | thanks for your help. | 04:28 |
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| toast065 | ill be waiting, thanks a bunch | 04:29 |
| Jester45 | gentoo - a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager... a little debain/gentoo hate? | 04:29 |
| Jester45 | !info gentoo | 04:29 |
| ubotu | gentoo: a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11.55-1.1 (feisty), package size 764 kB, installed size 2432 kB | 04:29 |
| neozen | LOL | 04:30 |
| neozen | someone called a file manager gentoo? | 04:30 |
| neozen | thats just wrong | 04:30 |
| neozen | toast065: gentoo is another distribution of linux | 04:30 |
| toast065 | i know that, never used it though | 04:31 |
| Jester45 | it takes to long for me | 04:32 |
| neozen | so... guys... anything wrong with what I said before? | 04:32 |
| Jester45 | i got xfce running then i quit and got my xubuntu back | 04:32 |
| Jester45 | nope | 04:32 |
| toast065 | and by the way despite the error the installation still finished, im restarting now | 04:32 |
| neozen | am pretty sure that swap needs to be formatted and be mounted on /swap | 04:32 |
| toast065 | ill just wait for the alt disc to finish downloading | 04:34 |
| Jester45 | neozen, swap doesnt get mounted like that | 04:34 |
| toast065 | then use that | 04:34 |
| Jester45 | my fstab is none for mount point | 04:34 |
| toast065 | and reinstall | 04:34 |
| neozen | ok... I stand corrected | 04:34 |
| Jester45 | if j1rc comes back tell him to try import | 04:38 |
| neozen | how's it looking toast? | 04:38 |
| neozen | did the reboot go ok? | 04:38 |
| toast065 | i can try | 04:39 |
| neozen | also... got a question guys | 04:39 |
| toast065 | here it goes | 04:39 |
| neozen | graveman in feisty doesn't like burning cds | 04:39 |
| neozen | commandline burning of isos with wodim works just peachy | 04:39 |
| neozen | xfburn also fails | 04:39 |
| Jester45 | a course xfburn fails it sucks | 04:41 |
| neozen | (no surprise there) | 04:41 |
| neozen | anyone else have issues with graveman that weren't there in dapper? | 04:41 |
| === Jester45 uses gnomebaker | ||
| neozen | ....in xubuntu | 04:42 |
| neozen | that must pull in quite a bit of gnome | 04:42 |
| === Jester45 uses gnomebaker in xubuntu | ||
| Jester45 | not really | 04:42 |
| neozen | though... I use gnome-network-manager for wireless networking myself | 04:42 |
| neozen | cleanest interface I've ever seen | 04:43 |
| neozen | all hail | 04:43 |
| Jester45 | bet that uses more | 04:43 |
| neozen | perhaps | 04:43 |
| neozen | ...but its use is justified darnit! | 04:43 |
| Jester45 | so is gnomebaker | 04:43 |
| toast065 | ok i booted fine, amazing | 04:43 |
| neozen | I haven't found anything native for xfce that does as good of a job | 04:43 |
| Jester45 | is good but not kde | 04:43 |
| neozen | I like simple and fast interfaces | 04:44 |
| neozen | ...kde doesn't seem to be either | 04:44 |
| toast065 | i guess i may not need the alt install disc | 04:45 |
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| neozen | yay for error messages that just scare you | 04:46 |
| neozen | ..and don't actually mean anything | 04:46 |
| neozen | ..graveman used to tell me operation failed every once in awhile... though the burn always worked just fine | 04:46 |
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| neozen | and I've gotten used to iso creation and burning from the commandline | 04:47 |
| neozen | ..not a bad thing at all | 04:47 |
| toast065 | well thanks im gonna try the internet connection | 04:48 |
| Jester45 | my ftp box auto burns dvd isos | 04:48 |
| toast065 | laters | 04:48 |
| neozen | toast065: wait... | 04:49 |
| toast065 | ya? | 04:50 |
| neozen | toast065: you're going to need help getting your ati driver installed | 04:50 |
| neozen | trust me | 04:50 |
| toast065 | actually i think i can do this myself | 04:50 |
| Jester45 | toast065, what card | 04:50 |
| toast065 | on my laptop | 04:50 |
| neozen | Jester45: ati mobility radeon 9000 | 04:51 |
| neozen | according to the specs he set me.. | 04:51 |
| toast065 | no no no | 04:51 |
| toast065 | thats the laptop that i am currently using now | 04:51 |
| toast065 | the laptop i installed xubuntu on is a dell inspiron 2500 POS | 04:52 |
| Jester45 | ok... what card does that have | 04:52 |
| toast065 | and surprisingly said, ive done this part before | 04:52 |
| neozen | Jester45: its an ati mobility radeon 9000 | 04:53 |
| toast065 | but | 04:53 |
| neozen | toast065: ok | 04:53 |
| neozen | toast065: enjoy then | 04:53 |
| toast065 | wait | 04:53 |
| neozen | heh | 04:53 |
| Jester45 | my ati radeon 9250 cards work like a charm | 04:53 |
| neozen | not going anywhere mon | 04:54 |
| neozen | what's up? | 04:54 |
| toast065 | ok this is BS | 04:54 |
| toast065 | when i launch the terminal it logs me out | 04:54 |
| neozen | ....... | 04:54 |
| Jester45 | oooo] | 04:54 |
| Jester45 | i know that bug | 04:54 |
| neozen | eheh | 04:54 |
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| neozen | toast065: see why I brought you here? | 04:55 |
| neozen | toast065: I can't answer half the bug-related questions | 04:55 |
| toast065 | well i kinda did this before and didnt do this before | 04:55 |
| neozen | toast065: hasn't done that for me either | 04:55 |
| neozen | ever | 04:55 |
| neozen | on any version of xubuntu | 04:55 |
| Jester45 | toast065, you need to use a diffrent ternimal such as xterm or ctrl+alt+F1(also 2,3,4,5,6) ctrl+alt+F7 brings you back to gui | 04:55 |
| neozen | ? | 04:56 |
| neozen | lol | 04:56 |
| neozen | Terminal not work on his particular configuration? | 04:56 |
| toast065 | i installed xubuntu on a desktop but dropped the HD when i tripped, now its useless, however i did have internet working through use of the terminal | 04:56 |
| neozen | press alt-f2 and type xfterm4 | 04:56 |
| neozen | once you can see the gui again | 04:56 |
| toast065 | when i installed xubuntu that time though i had the system configure my partition instead | 04:56 |
| neozen | (after pressing cntrl-alt-f7) | 04:57 |
| neozen | ....hey wait... that's not a bug | 04:57 |
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| neozen | that's just a virtual console | 04:57 |
| toast065 | huh? | 04:57 |
| neozen | ...that really IS a feature! | 04:57 |
| neozen | toast065: have you gotten your gui to appear again? | 04:58 |
| toast065 | security thingy? | 04:58 |
| neozen | toast065: no | 04:58 |
| toast065 | yes | 04:58 |
| toast065 | successfully | 04:58 |
| toast065 | what to do? | 04:58 |
| neozen | toast065: more like emulation of dumb-terminals attached directly to your box | 04:58 |
| Jester45 | neozen, i said he needs to use the virtual consoles or to use a diffrent terminal | 04:58 |
| neozen | Jester45: does Terminal not work now or something? | 04:59 |
| toast065 | well i booted and everything worked great | 04:59 |
| neozen | was asking Jester45 | 04:59 |
| neozen | as Terminal (the thing eventually run by xfterm4) works just great here | 04:59 |
| toast065 | except terminal, which if it makes me log out that kinda does sound like a security feature, though it also sounds like a bug | 04:59 |
| neozen | no ..that's not a feature | 05:00 |
| toast065 | how do i disable it | 05:00 |
| neozen | though pressing cntrl+alt+f(1-9) does load up a virtual console | 05:00 |
| Jester45 | 1-6 | 05:01 |
| neozen | 9 works as well | 05:01 |
| neozen | seems to display startup messages | 05:01 |
| toast065 | ok! | 05:01 |
| Jester45 | but 7 will be the X server | 05:01 |
| toast065 | crtl alt f1 does the same thing as terminal but does not log me out instead i can clear the screen by doing crtl alt f6 | 05:02 |
| Jester45 | and if your running 3 xservers that means 7-9 is a gui | 05:02 |
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| toast065 | sure is | 05:02 |
| Jester45 | toast065, no, thats a diffrent terminal | 05:02 |
| Jester45 | toast065, go to F1 login and type clear | 05:03 |
| toast065 | clear | 05:03 |
| toast065 | pass? | 05:03 |
| Jester45 | pass is what you set it to | 05:04 |
| toast065 | ok | 05:04 |
| toast065 | ... | 05:04 |
| toast065 | didnt work | 05:05 |
| toast065 | incorrect username shit | 05:05 |
| Jester45 | dont use clear as the username | 05:05 |
| Jester45 | login as your user then run clear | 05:05 |
| toast065 | so go to ctrl alt f1 and then type clear | 05:06 |
| toast065 | ? | 05:06 |
| Jester45 | no | 05:07 |
| Jester45 | ctrl alt f1 | 05:07 |
| Jester45 | login as your normal user | 05:07 |
| toast065 | ok i get a screen full opf static shit | 05:07 |
| Jester45 | then type clear | 05:07 |
| neozen | toast065: cntrl alt f6 doesn't clear the screen.... is just another virtual console | 05:07 |
| toast065 | ok | 05:07 |
| toast065 | yeah i figured that out, my bad | 05:08 |
| toast065 | what next | 05:08 |
| Jester45 | toast065, thats what im showing you | 05:08 |
| neozen | Jester45: never run more then one xserver | 05:08 |
| Jester45 | clear .... clears the text | 05:08 |
| neozen | *I've | 05:08 |
| Jester45 | neozen, why i have for a few months now | 05:08 |
| neozen | never saw the reason | 05:09 |
| neozen | main linux box is a laptop | 05:09 |
| Jester45 | so why not do it | 05:09 |
| neozen | no need... and server box doesn't have x installed | 05:09 |
| toast065 | ctrl alt f1 doesnt give me a screen of text, i get a screen of non-moving static, and when i do type i dont see anything actaully being inputted | 05:09 |
| neozen | non-moving static | 05:09 |
| Jester45 | neozen, aaa i got you | 05:09 |
| Jester45 | neozen, you ment I've never ran more than one | 05:09 |
| neozen | Jester45: yes.. I mean I've never run more then one at a time | 05:10 |
| toast065 | non-moving static, like static but frozen on the screen knowing the computer isnt actually frozen | 05:10 |
| neozen | ..... | 05:10 |
| neozen | that's new to me | 05:10 |
| neozen | Jester45: ? | 05:10 |
| Jester45 | new to me | 05:10 |
| Jester45 | maybe a video driver problem | 05:10 |
| neozen | I'ma blame the card | 05:10 |
| neozen | needs a driver | 05:10 |
| Jester45 | toast065, try updating your system | 05:11 |
| toast065 | i can take a piv of it but its just a bunch of colored lines | 05:11 |
| neozen | toast065: go install ati driver you! | 05:11 |
| neozen | toast065: and do that too! | 05:11 |
| neozen | toast065: matter of fact... do that FIRST! | 05:11 |
| toast065 | i need the terminal to install the internet card! | 05:11 |
| Jester45 | neozen, i might have seen it before | 05:11 |
| Jester45 | toast065, can you take a pic? | 05:11 |
| toast065 | fine | 05:11 |
| neozen | video driver problems usually render static | 05:11 |
| neozen | ..though my laptop had issues with using the brightness buttons | 05:12 |
| neozen | blacklisted video... and now they work just fine | 05:12 |
| neozen | somethings the kernel should just leave to the bios | 05:13 |
| Jester45 | brb gonna try my new kernel | 05:16 |
| toast065 | kk | 05:16 |
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| Jester45 | hehe it workes | 05:20 |
| neozen | lol | 05:22 |
| toast065 | well done | 05:22 |
| neozen | booted that fast eh? | 05:22 |
| neozen | sounds like some nice hardware | 05:22 |
| Jester45 | and a lean kernel | 05:22 |
| neozen | ah | 05:23 |
| neozen | that'd do it | 05:23 |
| neozen | I've debated stripping down the basic ubuntu one | 05:23 |
| neozen | to just what I need for this laptop | 05:23 |
| Jester45 | i stripped down a vanilla kernel | 05:24 |
| neozen | well... this laptop will need a few non-standard things | 05:24 |
| neozen | ...like the module for the 3945abg | 05:24 |
| Jester45 | im using 2.6.22.1 | 05:26 |
| toast065 | i think i may give this up tonight | 05:29 |
| neozen | toast065: nooo! | 05:29 |
| toast065 | tell me what to do | 05:29 |
| neozen | install the driver for ati | 05:30 |
| neozen | reboot X if necessary to get the gui to show up again | 05:30 |
| Jester45 | toast065, get a screenshot or pic of it yet? i might know the reason | 05:31 |
| neozen | Jester45: http://neozen.homelinux.org/~neozen/DSC00068.JPG | 05:32 |
| neozen | that's it | 05:32 |
| neozen | looks like video driver static | 05:32 |
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| neozen | ...last time I saw something like this.. that's what it was | 05:32 |
| toast065 | frozen static | 05:32 |
| neozen | driver was upset | 05:32 |
| Jester45 | humm | 05:33 |
| Jester45 | kinda looks like my screen when i super overclocked one of my vid cards | 05:33 |
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| Jester45 | im thinking about making a custom weter cooling system | 05:35 |
| neozen | heh | 05:35 |
| neozen | I did that on one of my old systems | 05:35 |
| Jester45 | useing a car's heat spreader | 05:36 |
| Jester45 | its for the heater | 05:36 |
| Jester45 | about a foot square | 05:36 |
| neozen | ..cycled the water from a nearby aquarium through the aquarium pump /filter then through the heatsink for the computer | 05:36 |
| neozen | I really wish I'd taken pictures | 05:36 |
| Jester45 | do you think just having the heat sink in the air would be good | 05:41 |
| Jester45 | maybe a 120mm fan | 05:41 |
| neozen | lol | 05:42 |
| neozen | I know it was overkill | 05:42 |
| neozen | but it looked really cool | 05:42 |
| Jester45 | no over kill is this guy who has a beowulf custer being water cooled from his pool | 05:43 |
| neozen | .....picture? | 05:43 |
| Jester45 | i dont remember where | 05:43 |
| Jester45 | maybe on hackaday.com | 05:44 |
| toast065 | that place has everything | 05:44 |
| Jester45 | thanks for the idea, i think i might use a fish tank pump | 05:45 |
| Jester45 | im sure i have one of those laying around | 05:46 |
| neozen | Jester45: no geek should be without one | 05:48 |
| Jester45 | im no geek :) | 05:48 |
| neozen | most useful thing in the world for moving water a bit at a time... | 05:48 |
| neozen | well I AM | 05:48 |
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| neozen | http://www.thegeekgroup.org/ | 05:53 |
| exw | anybody else having problems with the battery monitor disappearing from the panel? | 05:54 |
| neozen | "because the geek shall inherit the earth" .... I so hate puns... but I like that one | 05:54 |
| neozen | exw: nope... you using feisty? | 05:54 |
| exw | neozen: yah feisty | 05:55 |
| neozen | exw: does it disappear after shutdown and restart... or just randomly? | 05:55 |
| neozen | exw: when its disappeared see if the applet still appears to be running | 05:55 |
| exw | neozen: it doesn't reappear after restart | 05:55 |
| neozen | how are you shutting down the box? | 05:56 |
| exw | powering down | 05:56 |
| neozen | via the gui or via shutdown command on the terminal? | 05:56 |
| neozen | exw: do you mean just whacking the power button? | 05:56 |
| neozen | exw: that's... not good | 05:56 |
| exw | no | 05:56 |
| exw | proper shutdown | 05:57 |
| neozen | gOOD | 05:57 |
| neozen | I used to notice changes to my panel not taking effect purely because I shutdown the box from the terminal instead of logging out of xfce first | 05:57 |
| neozen | *xfce session | 05:57 |
| neozen | just wanted to eliminate that possibility | 05:58 |
| neozen | once its disappeared does the applet still appear to be running | 05:58 |
| neozen | ie.. show up in the task manager or in the output of ps ax? | 05:58 |
| exw | The only way I could get it to work again, was to create a new user, and add it to the panel... it appeared for a while then disappeared. and yes a ps ax | grep bat shows three batmon processes running | 06:01 |
| exw | neozen: ^^ | 06:01 |
| neozen | lol | 06:02 |
| neozen | wow... | 06:02 |
| neozen | nope | 06:02 |
| neozen | certainly haven't seen that here | 06:02 |
| neozen | ibm acpi modules | 06:02 |
| neozen | (thinkpad laptop here) | 06:02 |
| neozen | what kind of laptop do you have? | 06:02 |
| exw | yah its weird... it worked fine on the other laptop i have | 06:02 |
| exw | both models old sonys ( yuck ) | 06:03 |
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| jgamio | somebody know how to install a usb lan nexxt | 06:09 |
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| Catoptromancy | usb nic? | 06:11 |
| jgamio | what is usb nic? | 06:12 |
| Catoptromancy | networkinterface card | 06:12 |
| Catoptromancy | does it turn an ethernet wire into a usb plug | 06:13 |
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| jgamio | Catoptromancy: is a wireless lan usb adapter | 06:13 |
| Catoptromancy | oh | 06:13 |
| Catoptromancy | what brand? | 06:13 |
| jgamio | nexxt | 06:13 |
| Catoptromancy | !ndiswrapper | 06:14 |
| ubotu | Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs | 06:14 |
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| Catoptromancy | there is a list of compatible ndiswrapper devices | 06:14 |
| Catoptromancy | if your lucky nexxt is on the list | 06:14 |
| Catoptromancy | then it should be easy to install | 06:15 |
| jgamio | thanks | 06:15 |
| jgamio | but not lucky here | 06:17 |
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| chch | :| | 06:30 |
| Jester45 | :) is better | 06:32 |
| chch | hi | 06:32 |
| Jester45 | hi | 06:32 |
| chch | i have a doubt about xubuntu | 06:33 |
| Jester45 | why | 06:33 |
| chch | well, i install xubuntu and it doesnt ask me about the root pasword | 06:33 |
| chch | so, i dont know it | 06:33 |
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| chch | so, how i get or setup the root password | 06:35 |
| Jester45 | ChanServ, you set it during the install | 06:35 |
| Jester45 | o | 06:35 |
| Jester45 | chch, ^^^^ | 06:35 |
| chch | not the installer do not askme the root password | 06:35 |
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| Catoptromancy | my installs always have | 06:35 |
| Jester45 | it does | 06:35 |
| chch | just the user pass | 06:35 |
| chch | nop | 06:36 |
| Catoptromancy | thats root | 06:36 |
| chch | what? | 06:36 |
| Jester45 | chch, it ask for it trust me to run a program as root do sudo command | 06:36 |
| Jester45 | then enter your users password | 06:36 |
| jgamio | did you install the with the eom option | 06:36 |
| Jester45 | by defualt there is not root pass because that is a security risk | 06:37 |
| chch | but in other linux , there ask the root password when install it | 06:38 |
| Jester45 | chch, different version different install | 06:39 |
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| neozen | well Jester45 we now have yet another satisfied xubuntu user | 06:50 |
| Jester45 | hi maxamillion | 06:51 |
| neozen | just got the last thing running that he needed.... mplayer | 06:51 |
| neozen | max? | 06:51 |
| maxamillion | hi Jester45 | 06:51 |
| maxamillion | neozen: yes? | 06:51 |
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| neozen | hey there | 06:51 |
| neozen | long time no see | 06:51 |
| maxamillion | lol | 06:51 |
| maxamillion | hi hi | 06:51 |
| maxamillion | neozen: yeah | 06:51 |
| maxamillion | i've been busy with school and work | 06:52 |
| Jester45 | maxamillion, im getting a rack server for in my house :) | 06:52 |
| maxamillion | Jester45: whoa ... nice! | 06:53 |
| maxamillion | Jester45: be careful about electric bills | 06:53 |
| maxamillion | Jester45: what you going to do with it? | 06:53 |
| Jester45 | well its only gonna have a 1U on it to start | 06:53 |
| Jester45 | store my movies | 06:53 |
| Jester45 | among just about everything else i need | 06:54 |
| neozen | lol | 06:54 |
| maxamillion | actually ... i own a 1U server stored at a level 3 colocation ... i just don't do much personal stuff with it | 06:55 |
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| Jester45 | accept torrents... but i could use his home server for that :) | 06:56 |
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| mongolai | anyone know if there is an smbclient module for Thunar? | 07:10 |
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| raylu | what is the command to start xubuntu? | 07:13 |
| Jester45 | raylu, do you mean the gui? | 07:14 |
| raylu | er, i guess | 07:14 |
| raylu | i had ubuntu-server | 07:14 |
| raylu | that i installed xubuntu-desktop on with apt | 07:14 |
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| raylu | im using cygwin to connect to it | 07:14 |
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| raylu | *Cygwin/X, so how should i start it? | 07:15 |
| Jester45 | raylu, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start | 07:15 |
| Colossus73 | good morning | 07:15 |
| raylu | that seems to start it locally, even if i export DISPLAY | 07:15 |
| mm_202 | Anyone know what the easiest way (if possible) to get xubuntu to boot from a flash drive? | 07:15 |
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| Jester45 | raylu, try startx | 07:16 |
| Jester45 | !install | mm_202 | 07:16 |
| ubotu | mm_202: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate | 07:16 |
| mm_202 | ubotu: thank you, I checked out xubuntu.com and didnt find anything. | 07:17 |
| Jester45 | your welcome | 07:17 |
| Jester45 | ubotu is a computer | 07:18 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about is a computer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 07:18 |
| raylu | *bot | 07:18 |
| Jester45 | see... not to smart one to | 07:18 |
| === mm_202 feels dumb. At least it's a useful bot. | ||
| Jester45 | its fine a lot of people do it | 07:26 |
| Jester45 | its more common when the bot takes a while to repond to the command | 07:26 |
| Jester45 | !ubotu | 07:26 |
| ubotu | I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots | 07:26 |
| raylu | Jester45, startxfce4 did the trick for me; thanks | 07:27 |
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| chch | hi again | 07:37 |
| chch | some body knows where i can get info about what means the command-> ./ | 07:38 |
| Catoptromancy | its tells a cmd line to the the following file is to execute | 07:39 |
| Colossus73 | does anyone here using xubuntu have the printer applet in the xrfce panel working? | 07:39 |
| chch | thank you | 07:40 |
| Catoptromancy | the /path/path/./xprogram will tell bash to execute "xprogram" | 07:40 |
| Catoptromancy | very useful in shells | 07:40 |
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| Colossus73 | when I run the python printer applet I get an error message saying: Unable to start the PrinterDriverSelection service | 07:41 |
| Colossus73 | cupsd is running but I can't get its page in localhost:631 | 07:42 |
| chch | thank you catoptromacy | 07:42 |
| Jester45 | chch, also if its the path like ./directory/to/your/file then ./ is currentdirectory | 07:42 |
| Jester45 | so a the defualt start of a terminal ./file would also mean /home/user/file | 07:43 |
| chch | and ./configure | 07:43 |
| Catoptromancy | the ./configure command checks libs before you compile, and should tell you what libs are needed to compile program | 07:47 |
| chch | ohhh, thanks, | 07:48 |
| Catoptromancy | apt-cache search for libs that may be missing | 07:48 |
| Catoptromancy | "apt-cache search" | 07:49 |
| Catoptromancy | heh | 07:49 |
| chch | ok | 07:49 |
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| Catoptromancy | http://odamex.net/pastebin/?page=view&id=1184835033 | 10:50 |
| Catoptromancy | alsa makes me sad | 10:50 |
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| Catoptromancy | i have no idea what to do | 10:51 |
| Catoptromancy | dont really care about midi | 10:53 |
| Catoptromancy | but need sound | 10:53 |
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| Catoptromancy | why is alsaplayer so hidden away | 12:08 |
| Catoptromancy | pretty good media player | 12:08 |
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| gerro | was reading and found this quote "ext3 filesystems are "journaled" file-systems which do not need to be rechecked even after an unclean shutdown." however my computer does perform fsck at that time. How can I fix this so I can have faster boot? | 05:08 |
| gerro | !dualboot | 05:11 |
| ubotu | Dual boot instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh) | 05:11 |
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| asmith42a | I cannot for the life of me seem to print to a network copier. Any ideas? | 05:31 |
| gerro | dunno | 05:35 |
| gerro | google its model and ubuntu | 05:35 |
| asmith42a | That's a start. Thank you. | 05:36 |
| gerro | you using cups or samba to print to it? | 05:37 |
| asmith42a | Hold on... | 05:37 |
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| asmith42a | It is a Sharp and I'm just using the system config | 05:38 |
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| gerro | config for what? | 05:38 |
| asmith42a | Printing | 05:38 |
| asmith42a | Applications > Settings > Printing | 05:38 |
| gerro | ah i could never understand that | 05:39 |
| gerro | but is there a computer connected to the printer on the network and if so what os is it? | 05:40 |
| asmith42a | No, there is not. The copier is stand-alone. | 05:41 |
| asmith42a | It has networking built in. | 05:41 |
| asmith42a | With its own IP | 05:41 |
| asmith42a | I can see it on the network, the printer setup sees it, there is a driver for it, but when I try to print, nothing. | 05:42 |
| gerro | hmm | 05:42 |
| asmith42a | I can print to it with a Windows computer, so the copier is setup correctly. | 05:43 |
| asmith42a | I just found linuxprinting.org | 05:43 |
| gerro | you used a special driver under windows? do you have an equivalent linux driver? | 05:43 |
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| gerro | yeah that is a good site for information. | 05:44 |
| asmith42a | Yes, there is a driver from the Sharp CD for Windows. There is a separate CD for Mac. I don't think there is one for Linux. | 05:45 |
| asmith42a | From Sharp, at least. | 05:45 |
| gerro | then find one or a method to flash your printer with more standard firmware | 05:49 |
| gerro | can you link mete t your printer?says abou to what that si | 05:50 |
| gerro | damn laptopntouchpadd!! | 05:50 |
| gerro | link me to what linux printing site says ok? | 05:51 |
| asmith42a | I didn't find anything on linuxprinting. | 05:52 |
| asmith42a | I looked at Sharp and it said that its stuff is CUPS compliant. | 05:52 |
| asmith42a | I'm trying a different manager. | 05:52 |
| asmith42a | brb-- I have to run downstairs to see if it printed. | 05:55 |
| asmith42a | That didn't work. | 05:59 |
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| asmith42a | Wait...maybe it did. If so, it takes a REALLY long time for it to get a job down there. | 06:03 |
| asmith42a | No, it didn't. The job left the queue, but nothing was on the copier. | 06:05 |
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| asmith42a | Oh, well. I don't have time to dink with this right now anyway. Thanks for your help, gerro. | 06:09 |
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| gerro | asmith42a: sure no problem, I'm usually terrible with printers though | 06:28 |
| gerro | asmith42a: been wanting to setup cups daemon on one computer though so I can print things from my ds lite | 06:28 |
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| jumi11 | I got some problems with hard drive. After repairing it I logged into XFCE (xubuntu 7.04) and there is no panel, no menu on the desktop, just icons: home, trash, filesystem. I can right-click the desktop and set settings. Can this be repaired without reinstallation? The situation is the same for every user. I deleted .cache/ and .config/ but no difference. | 07:20 |
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| vidd | jumi11, you must have used the live cd.... have you tried to reboot? | 07:50 |
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| gerro | vidd: I had same problem as him before but I just created a shortcut for terminal and ran synaptic as root to install icewm-lite | 08:05 |
| gerro | I wasn't too worried since I was removing xfce on that install | 08:05 |
| gerro | hey how would I go about removing everything in xubuntu so that its like ubuntu-server cd yet still keep thunar and mousepad? | 08:09 |
| jumi11 | I have rebooted few times | 08:09 |
| gerro | trying a few new window managers out | 08:09 |
| gerro | jumill: here I got an idea, pull up terminal ok | 08:10 |
| jumi11 | removing xubuntu-desktop would be a way, I guess | 08:10 |
| gerro | jumill: right click create icon command xfce4-terminal | 08:10 |
| gerro | jumill: then type xfce4-panel | 08:10 |
| gerro | into that terminal | 08:11 |
| gerro | and any other thing your missing | 08:11 |
| gerro | what happened is something died and got saved that way | 08:11 |
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| gerro | probably one of those mac ideas | 08:12 |
| jumi11 | thanks, panel appeared | 08:12 |
| gerro | no prob | 08:12 |
| jumi11 | will it come again next time? | 08:12 |
| gerro | jumill: if you do proper shutdown right now it will | 08:12 |
| vidd | jumi11, <ctrl><esc> should load the menu.... | 08:12 |
| gerro | if for some reason it doesn't then try same method and see if you can fix it | 08:13 |
| jumi11 | I rebooted the machine with 'save session'. waiting... | 08:13 |
| vidd | jumi11, i recommend that you go into each user, and delete the contents of .cache/session | 08:15 |
| gerro | what does Super + Super_L mean? | 08:15 |
| gerro | trying to set a key combo | 08:15 |
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| vidd | gerro, Super is the M$ key, and Super_L is the M$ key on the left | 08:16 |
| gerro | vidd: I recommend he delete session option all together so this never happens again | 08:16 |
| gerro | I only have the left one | 08:16 |
| gerro | and my key has a penguin | 08:16 |
| vidd | if he deletes the entire .cache, it will rebuild it on its own (hopefully correctly | 08:17 |
| gerro | yeah but does he even need that feature? | 08:17 |
| gerro | what does it do? | 08:17 |
| gerro | besides be a pain in the ass loading up stuff without your approval | 08:17 |
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| jumi11 | it is back ok. just wandering why it happened to all users | 08:17 |
| gerro | dunno maybe it escalated to root lol | 08:18 |
| jumi11 | the machine was off-line all the time :) | 08:19 |
| gerro | jumill: anyway hope it works out | 08:20 |
| gerro | too busy gutting my xubuntu, trying to get it going on 61mb ram | 08:20 |
| gerro | vidd: how do I assign the start key to do something | 08:22 |
| vidd | start key? | 08:22 |
| gerro | yeah | 08:22 |
| gerro | that what it called right | 08:22 |
| vidd | IDK | 08:24 |
| vidd | i think it's META | 08:25 |
| Jester45 | the windows logo key? | 08:25 |
| TheSheep | Super | 08:25 |
| TheSheep | meta==alt on pc | 08:26 |
| gerro | well I pressed it for keyboard preferences and it says super + super_L | 08:26 |
| gerro | yet when I press it now it does not do anything | 08:26 |
| gerro | tried to get it to open xfce4-terminal | 08:27 |
| jumi11 | thank you. bye | 08:28 |
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| gerro | um sure no prob | 08:31 |
| gerro | crap he already left >,> | 08:31 |
| TheSheep | gerro: it's a little tricky, because it also acts like a shift key | 08:33 |
| TheSheep | gerro: if you press both keys now, it will work | 08:33 |
| TheSheep | gerro: I think you need to remove the Super+ by hand-editing the config file | 08:34 |
| gerro | both keys? | 08:34 |
| gerro | where is config file at? | 08:34 |
| gerro | vidd: hey what you were saying about .cache/session were you thinking of .config/xfce4-session? | 08:36 |
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| vidd | gerro, no | 08:37 |
| gerro | TheSheep: nvm I'll just search all the text files | 08:38 |
| vidd | the .cache/sessions is that annoying thing that saves the state of the last saved session | 08:38 |
| gerro | vidd: so if I set a boot script to delete .cache/sessions I won't have to worry about it? | 08:38 |
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| gerro | sounds like a crappy quick fix :/ | 08:39 |
| vidd | yep... | 08:39 |
| vidd | or delete it once and reboot without the check in "save session | 08:39 |
| gerro | vidd: you using mac hardware? | 08:39 |
| vidd | no | 08:39 |
| gerro | oh just the keyboard then? | 08:40 |
| gerro | oh lol that reminds me | 08:40 |
| gerro | the old mouse/keyboard ports died on my one computer so now I need to get keyboard plugged into usb | 08:40 |
| gerro | vidd: been trying to use an on screen keyboard for it :/ | 08:41 |
| gerro | autologin and all that set | 08:41 |
| godless | I just give up and ssh / remote desktop when the ports start going flaky :) | 08:44 |
| Jester45 | gerro, where you the person on a a few hours ago that used a aquarium and a pump to make a custom water cooler | 08:45 |
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| Jester45 | hihi | 08:45 |
| gerro | Jester45: omfg I wish! that would be so tight :D | 08:45 |
| godless | I helped a friend setup an acquarium pump water cooler once | 08:46 |
| godless | worked great | 08:46 |
| godless | then one day one of the pipes broke :( | 08:46 |
| gerro | can you stick fish in there or would that be harmful for them? | 08:46 |
| gerro | algaea yeah might not be good | 08:46 |
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| Jester45 | it would be fine if it saided clean you had a guard to keep them from gettings sucked up and the water didnt get to hot | 08:47 |
| Jester45 | http://vidd.us/jester/pic/S5030229.JPG im going to use that to cool the water | 08:47 |
| Jester45 | and im going to get a old fish pump to... pump the water | 08:47 |
| Jester45 | i got some copper tubing i could use for the hotter water once it ges out of the case to cool it faster | 08:48 |
| Jester45 | and i could pick up some rubber for the rest or to replace the copper | 08:48 |
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| gerro | oh ok | 08:58 |
| gerro | Jester45: is that a pic of your computer? | 08:58 |
| BFTD | http://pastebin.ca/626571 | 09:13 |
| BFTD | I get that error | 09:13 |
| gerro | http://download.gna.org/warzone/releases/2.0/warzone2100_2.0.7-0_i386.deb yay new game to try out :P | 09:14 |
| gerro | BFTD: when do you get that error though? | 09:18 |
| gerro | BFTD: you probably need gzip installed | 09:18 |
| BFTD | I get it when I do apt-get update | 09:19 |
| gerro | odd | 09:19 |
| gerro | try downloading gzip from ubuntu packages | 09:19 |
| gerro | install it with dpkg -i | 09:19 |
| gerro | and see if that fixes it | 09:19 |
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| BFTD | its installed | 09:20 |
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| BFTD | and updated to the newest version | 09:20 |
| Jester45 | BFTD, what repo? compiz git | 09:23 |
| Jester45 | an not gerro thats gonna be my heat spreader for water | 09:24 |
| Jester45 | or something else maybe cooking oil | 09:24 |
| gerro | ok g2g | 09:26 |
| BFTD | http://pastebin.ca/626589 | 09:29 |
| BFTD | that's a bigger problem | 09:29 |
| BFTD | how do I get X via ssh? | 09:30 |
| Jester45 | !rdesktop | 09:30 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about rdesktop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 09:30 |
| Jester45 | !remotedesktop | 09:30 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about remotedesktop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 09:30 |
| Jester45 | arrg | 09:30 |
| Jester45 | !info rdesktop | 09:30 |
| ubotu | rdesktop: RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.0-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 119 kB, installed size 444 kB | 09:30 |
| Jester45 | darn thats not it | 09:30 |
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| vidd | is there a way to set up the panel to "close group"? | 09:38 |
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| gabkdlly | I am making a custom live CD with uck (ubuntu customization kit, it is not in the repos). How do add files to my CD? for example, I want my vimrc. I am guessing UCK has given me a chrooted console to work with. | 09:42 |
| gabkdlly | ah, found it. ~/tmp/remaster-root/ | 09:47 |
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| mindframe_ | how do i boot without the little xfce boot timer thing? | 10:00 |
| Jester45 | do you mean the progress bar with Xubuntu in words and the logo? | 10:04 |
| mindframe_ | yes | 10:04 |
| mindframe_ | i just want to see the text that is produced | 10:04 |
| Jester45 | edit your grub menu and remove the quite option | 10:06 |
| Jester45 | i will get a location | 10:06 |
| Jester45 | you will need to be root | 10:06 |
| Jester45 | sudo texteditor /boot/grub/menu.lst | 10:07 |
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| crabgrass | is there any way to change thunar's window title? right now it says "file manager," but i dont like that. | 10:10 |
| TheSheep | crabgrass: yes, you can change it in the source and recompile | 10:11 |
| TheSheep | crabgrass: hmm... or change it in the translation | 10:12 |
| crabgrass | oh, translation, good idea | 10:12 |
| crabgrass | i can't find it in the source, though | 10:12 |
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| Drew3b | Hi all, When selecting 'Terminal" in 704, X crashes and it is time to log back in again ! Is there a fix? Fresh | 10:56 |
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| Pumpernickel | bug 91849 | Drew3b | 11:24 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 91849 in xfce "i810 + xorg = xfce crashes when opening terminal" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91849 | 11:24 |
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| Drew3b | Pumpernickel: ty, I never would have found it. | 11:31 |
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| panfist | hi, i installed xubuntu onto my laptop, then when i tried to install ati drivers according to this guide http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide and when I boot, x fails to start | 11:36 |
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| Pumpernickel | Did you use the first method, or the second? | 11:39 |
| panfist | the first method | 11:40 |
| Pumpernickel | What's the error message? | 11:40 |
| Pumpernickel | (If it's more than one line, please use pastebin.) | 11:41 |
| panfist | it said it could not find a screen, but i looked in the xorg.conf and there was a screen in there, when i restored two backups that were made in the driver installation process, it still didnt work, then i did "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" so its back to normal now | 11:42 |
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| panfist | i can try to reinstall the ati drivers to get the exact error output | 11:42 |
| Pumpernickel | They're still installed, unless you've removed them. You'd just need to reconfigure and select 'fglrx' to use them. | 11:43 |
| panfist | ahh, right | 11:43 |
| panfist | i did not remove | 11:43 |
| panfist | i suppose if i run "sudo aticonfig --initial" i will get back to where i was | 11:44 |
| Pumpernickel | Better to use dpkg-reconfigure. | 11:44 |
| panfist | also, when i was booted into the command line interface when x failed to start, and i rebooted, i saw "Stopping GNOME Display Manager" does XFCE use that? or did the "aticonfig" command set me up for a GNOME ubuntu install...? | 11:45 |
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| Pumpernickel | GDM is the default display manager. | 11:47 |
| Pumpernickel | It's not as Gnome-specific as it sounds. | 11:47 |
| panfist | ok i've run dpkg-reconfigure and selected fglrx...lets see what happens | 11:48 |
| panfist | i get what looks like some normal output followed by "Fatal Server Error: no screens found" | 11:51 |
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| Pumpernickel | Assuming your system is completely up-to-date, you should file a bug report. Make sure to attach your xorg config and logfile. | 12:05 |
| panfist | ok | 12:05 |
| Pumpernickel | If it's not up to date, you should update it and try again. | 12:05 |
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