[12:28] is it possible to change the iconpack in xubuntu? [12:28] bad_cables: I just had 10 cds with feisty sent to me, with bonus stickers [12:29] Allex: settings->userinterface settings, second tab [12:29] TheSheep, what kind of stickers they send? [12:29] tnx [12:30] have you guys ever had people complaining about xubuntu CD boot problems on specific architectures? [12:30] no kidding, you just sold ubuntu to thousands of kids across america by making iconic stickers to define their generation [12:30] vidd_laptop: http://www.zerohex.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/ubuntu%20stickers.jpg [12:32] well just to let you know, i never had been able to boot xubuntu 6 on this box [12:32] it is an Ezra... a via compact 800Mghz server [12:33] but 7 boots just fine with no hitch, a little slow on the install as compared to other OS's [12:33] but no stalls or anything [12:33] and low heat on use too [12:33] bad_cables, 7.04 has a newer kernel so it has better hardware support [12:34] i was using DSL before this, which ran like motor, but... i forgot every password to it [12:35] and apperantly i had upgraded DSL with audio software into a non supported or supportable direction [12:35] so i just paved [12:40] well give me an app to write a help file for... and i will try my best in english first [12:40] i have an employee that i can threaten with torture and death if he doesnt translate into spanish/french/portuguess [12:41] i can even charge off company overtime for him to do it [12:42] but keep your mouth shut about that one ;) [12:42] please [12:42] lol === r_a_f [n=rp@101-165.echostar.pl] has joined #xubuntu === Allex [n=alex@h130n1fls34o884.telia.com] has joined #xubuntu === tsubasa__ [n=tsubasa@ABordeaux-256-1-139-10.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #xubuntu === Moita [n=mssfba@201.12.188.46] has joined #xubuntu [01:01] if i download a icon pack, how do i install it or be able to choose it in the meny of packs? [01:02] Allex: extract it into /usr/share/icons, or into ~/.icons [01:02] ok [01:02] then it will be available in User Interface Settings. [01:02] tnx === neozen [n=neozen@c-71-228-16-126.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:37] meep === R[a] ndom [n=random@dhcp-0-9-5b-fe-6a-d9.cpe.i-zoom.net] has joined #xubuntu === keb [i=keb@pdpc/supporter/active/keb] has joined #xubuntu [01:54] did anyone figure out how to stop that annoying border/icon flashing when a background window is updated? === vidd_laptop [n=vidd@207-172-178-217.c3-0.tlg-ubr6.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #xubuntu === illu45 [n=illusha@p-dynamic-border5-188.xDSL-1mm.sentex.ca] has joined #xubuntu === Akuma_ [n=martin@218.81.99.143] has joined #xubuntu [02:08] keb: it's not when the window is updated, it's hen the application send an 'urgent' hint to the window manager [02:08] oic [02:08] so i have to get the wm to ignore it [02:10] i don't see a setting for that in Settings, Window Manager or Window Manager Tweaks === bitform [i=bitform@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x997D0F8C] has joined #xubuntu [02:13] keb: because it's agains the specificatiosn to ignore it. you also don't have options to ignore any of hundreds other signals that the application could send [02:13] hmm. how about not ignore but take a different action, such as "nop" === asim [n=asim@adsl-69-152-119-145.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:14] keb: how about you make the application not send that signal? [02:14] can someone help me with mozilla settings? [02:14] keb: should be easier and won't break all the other apps [02:15] TheSheep : thanks, i'll consider which apps really bug me when they do that === Catoptromancy_ [n=cat@fl-71-1-235-150.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:24] asim you may get better results in #firefox === toast065 [n=toast@adsl-75-63-57-216.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:44] im here [02:45] yay [02:45] woot [02:46] neo? === litlebuda [n=linux@87-196-26-69.net.novis.pt] has joined #xubuntu [02:49] you all here for xubuntu? [02:49] im doing a new install [02:49] im here to give out help [02:49] yessir [02:50] im here to help to [02:50] should i just install regularly or safe graphics mode, which is the best [02:50] vidd_laptop, did you look at the site? to you like the first or 2nd table better === neozen pokes toast with a stick [02:51] ouch [02:51] toast065, i prefer the alt install where it dont matter [02:51] toast065: indeed... alternate install always works [02:52] not always [02:52] alt? [02:52] toast065: but you should have enough ram to use the graphical install [02:52] but is much more likly to work [02:52] toast065: ie... the image with desktop in the name [02:52] toast065: image with alternate in the name is a text-based install [02:53] toast065: try installing regularly first [02:53] k [02:53] toast065: what kind of graphics card? [02:53] its very simualr to the regualr install but is faster and much more powerfull (and doesnt messup as much) [02:53] .... I think its time for me to install an actual doc [02:54] my panel is getting a little out of hand [02:54] doc? [02:54] dock [02:54] dell inspiron 2500 [02:55] thing usually at bottom of screen on a mac... has a bunch of icons representing running programs or launchers for them... [02:56] ahhhhhhhh now i see the alt install iso, i burned the one on the top [02:57] yeah...they REALLY should have it higher on the page [02:57] or make a mention of it [02:58] screenshot on the way... === neozen grins === bitform [i=bitform@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x997D0F8C] has joined #xubuntu [03:01] http://neozen.homelinux.org/~neozen/timefordock.png [03:02] I've been using an xfce panel.... and it think its just time to move to an actual dock-type application instead [03:02] can anyone recommend an intuitive one that isn't dependant on gnome or kde? [03:03] sexy [03:03] i like the colors [03:04] toast065: heh... me too... took a little work (installing themes, fixing firefox to work with that particular dark theme) ... and, of course, moving panels around and configuring the launchers === keb [i=keb@pdpc/supporter/active/keb] has left #xubuntu ["hmm"] [03:04] toast065: I find this layout really really usable [03:07] ok... 40 free gigs, in what way should i partition the disk? [03:08] i like a / partition of 4gb an /etc of 2gb and a 300mb swap and the rest to /home [03:09] explain [03:09] like what are they used for? [03:11] /home is where your user data goes and a lot of the config files [03:11] i see [03:11] /etc is more configs [03:11] like hardware? [03:11] / is the rest of your system that isnt in the other partitions [03:13] like system programs like apt [03:13] ah === Laibsc1 [n=Laibsch@p54B96B44.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:13] ie /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/X11/xorg.conf [03:13] Jester45: 2gb etc? [03:13] that's... huge === neozen shrugs [03:14] i said thats what i do [03:14] whats the etc used for? [03:14] system-wide configurations [03:14] thats understandable [03:14] like apt or xorg [03:14] Jester45: though I can see why you would want to split that off [03:15] Jester45: admin? [03:15] yea === neozen nods [03:15] makes perfect sense then [03:16] toast065: you most likely won't need to split off etc === Jester45 also has is /var in a seprate partition and /scr [03:16] has his* === neozen nods ... splitting of var makes perfect sense on a server [03:16] whats the point of splitting it? [03:16] toast065: allows reinstall of operating system without need to back up data in that directory [03:17] so that you can back it up easier and upgrades dont erase your configs [03:17] prior to the install === neozen nods.... what he said [03:17] never thought of that [03:18] toast065: at the very minimum... use a different partition for /home [03:18] ...makes all the difference in the world when first starting out with linux [03:18] so say 2 gb for /ect and the rest for /home? [03:18] toast065, you need a / also and swap [03:19] the / is for things that you dont split off [03:19] neozen, you an admin also? [03:19] lol... or just a 2gb / (I still haven't filled up mine.... though I don't use this machine as a server) 256mb swap and use the rest for /home [03:19] Jester45: only of my own systems [03:19] o [03:19] Jester45: no one paying me.... to do this.... yet [03:20] Jester45: though I'm looking for something more in the developer line of work === Jester45 has 4 servers to admin [03:20] Jester45: (just finished my undergrad)\ [03:20] well im currently on the partition part, reminding you ive never done this before, ive used knoppix but thats it === Jester45 is to young for college === aubade [n=aubade@cpe-24-209-104-234.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [03:24] Jester45: heh.. and you've already got a job doing administration.... not too shabby [03:25] yep [03:25] the goodness of irc [03:25] toast065: no worries... we'll get you through [03:25] ah === litlebuda [n=linux@87-196-26-69.net.novis.pt] has joined #xubuntu [03:26] does it matter in which order you create the partitions? [03:26] toast065: nope [03:26] toast065: but I think / has to be bootable [03:26] well its /boot but if you dont make it / has to be it === Jester45 forgot that he has /home partition [03:27] ok 300mb swap primary at beginning, what next [03:27] toast065, how much ram do you have [03:27] 256 === aubade [n=aubade@cpe-24-209-104-234.woh.res.rr.com] has left #xubuntu [] [03:27] you might want more. if your a power user [03:28] i know it could go up to 512, didnt do it [03:28] many people say to have 2x your ram unless you got a lot [03:28] well then i need two 256 SD laptop cards [03:29] cheap [03:29] Jester45: lol [03:29] toast065: what will you be using this box for? [03:29] as a server or just a desktop/workstation machine? [03:30] like my most used desktop has 4gb ram so i have 300mb of swap and it never get touched [03:30] even with 1gb ram... swap doesn't get touched [03:30] ..but with only 256 ... chances are it will [03:30] its my first time using linux, thought id start it before school starts this fall, though i think they use red hat [03:30] heh [03:31] well things are a little different in ubuntus/debian [03:31] i know [03:31] kk [03:31] ive seen both and i like ubuntu better [03:31] still its good to start [03:31] the best imho [03:32] anyway... [03:32] oh... have you covered filesystem types? [03:32] yet jester? [03:33] no [03:33] swap partition must be linux-swap [03:33] to him? no [03:33] well i know ntfs and fat but thats it [03:33] and for / and /home I recommend ext3 [03:33] i use reiser on everything but /home /boot [03:34] toast065, those are window's formats they are slow and suck [03:34] toast065: welcome to the many ways to skin the cat [03:34] hehe [03:34] im excited [03:34] toast065: this is good [03:34] toast065: feel free to experiment [03:34] toast065: its what linux is all about [03:35] toast065: just have the install disk handy incase you make something go kaboom [03:35] toast065: (which most of the time you can only induce as root) [03:35] making things go boom that is [03:35] and remember if do somehow mess it up really bad. a reinstall only takes time (and even less with seprate partitions) [03:35] indeed [03:36] that's why we are recommending you split off /home [03:36] boom a user can do a kaboom only root :) [03:36] Jester45: indeed [03:36] once you know linux you can get things set up very quickly after a install [03:36] "hey.... where'd my files go? .... I only did a rm * .o " [03:37] toast065: notice the space between the star and the dot [03:37] ......baaaaad [03:37] neozen, for for got to add the sudo to that rm [03:38] ok so ive got my swap and free space, whats the next one? [03:38] Jester45: that should still make your files disappear [03:38] /home [03:38] Jester45: files for your user that is [03:38] neozen, only /home files [03:38] yep but a sudo on that would be really bad [03:38] how big? [03:39] yeah... still disastrous for that user [03:39] toast065: well ... you've already made / right? [03:39] toast065: you should make that first [03:39] toast065: so you can just set the size of /home to be whatever is leftover [03:40] o yea [03:40] i wasnt thinking [03:42] ok [03:42] ive still got 39 gigs left, how much for /home and the other partitions? [03:43] toast065: after creating / and /swap? [03:43] toast065: set the rest to /home [03:43] wait... [03:43] Jester45: don't think there's any real need for a newbie to split of /etc [03:43] Jester45: makes perfect sense on a server though === Will^Draven [n=willdrav@cpe-066-026-043-000.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu [03:44] Jester45: apache/firewall configuration/ssh keys alone make it worth the slight loss of space [03:44] this whole just "/" thing kinda confuses me, what is it and why not lable it? [03:44] heh [03:45] toast065: / is the top of the filesystem treee [03:45] like desktop? [03:45] kind of like c:\ in dos and windows [03:45] ok ok ok [03:45] thats easy now [03:46] kinda like c;\ and kinda like c;\windows\ [03:46] unixes just have the slash backwards [03:47] no...winows does === neozen nods [03:47] to a windows user... its backwards [03:47] unixes were there first [03:47] inDEEd [03:47] http:// / c;\ whats the oddball [03:47] call it a typo induced by lack of foodage [03:47] :) === neozen devours a pizza [03:49] it is just another case where M$ fouled something up and called it a "feature" === neozen shrugs [03:49] like auto defrag when they could just fix the problem [03:50] I just love linux for the shear enormity of choices available to the user [03:51] even just visually... [03:51] all the window managers, desktop environments, themes, [03:51] so for / do i call the mount point /? [03:52] YEP [03:52] or if you like non-visually [03:52] well...M$ gives you choices too....do you want your system to crash from which of the millions of viruses..... [03:52] =] [03:52] rat poison.... [03:52] or even just a terminal window with screen [03:53] should i use it as ext3? [03:53] toast065: sure [03:53] you can experiment later [03:53] ext3 is good for all but swap === neozen nods [03:54] swap must be linux-swap [03:54] well its not available for swap [03:54] that's for a reason ::grins:: [03:55] i know that [03:57] ok got swap and /, rest to home? [03:57] yep [03:58] how much to /? [03:58] 37 gigs [03:58] out of 40 [03:58] 37 gig for /? [03:58] or for /home? [03:58] home [03:58] 37gb to /home [03:58] toast065, you got it backwards /home is better than . [03:58] ok [03:58] good [03:59] oh right, i see it [04:00] toast065, if you ever did a windows install you will love the formating speed you will see next [04:00] lol [04:00] yeah... that was good stuff [04:00] poof! its done! [04:00] and xubuntu installed for me in about 15 minutes [04:01] ok then [04:01] not including time to input partitions, usernames, etc [04:01] first time i saw it, i thought something went wrong === Catoptromancy [n=Miranda@fl-71-1-235-150.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:02] lol [04:03] less then 10 minutes on 2 120gig hdd's [04:04] went to the store to get some smokes...got back and it was done [04:04] hehe... well.... only 2gb or so of it actually gets used [04:04] for xubuntu... [04:04] the rest... is all yours [04:04] ...I dare anyone to make windows xp fit in 2gb and be happy about it [04:05] heck....try to get vista to play nice with only 2gb of ram [04:06] or only 1? [04:06] ...(all I have in this laptop) [04:06] linux rejoices anyway [04:07] damn [04:07] ok something went wrong [04:07] how so? [04:08] cannot mount volume [04:08] live or alt cd? [04:10] mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/ sda1, missing codepage or other error in some cases useful into is found in syslog -try dmesg | tail or so [04:10] O.o [04:10] toast065: well run dmesg |tail [04:11] If it's the livecd, check bug 107259. [04:11] that's that bug number [04:11] should i download and burn the alt? [04:11] Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259 [04:11] Yes. It's more reliable. [04:12] that bug rear its ugly head on any particular systems? [04:12] ie... sata vs ide etc? [04:12] toast065, yes...go with the alt [04:12] I installed from livecd ... and haven't experienced this bug [04:15] how do i post pics on this board? [04:15] Thumbtacs. [04:16] !paste [04:16] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [04:17] well ok i have a picture where can i upload it too? [04:18] !paste | toast065 [04:18] toast065: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [04:20] ...pastebin can handle pics? [04:21] O.o [04:21] didn't know that [04:21] it cant? [04:22] nope... it can't... [04:22] I'll post on the server here and give ye all the url [04:23] yeah i was pretty mystified by what you were saying there [04:23] http://neozen.homelinux.org/~neozen/DSC00066.JPG [04:23] doesn't swap have to be formatted as well? [04:23] it might beable to with this http://rifers.org/blogs/gbevin/2005/4/11/embedding_images_inside_html [04:24] nope...dont believe so [04:24] heh... no worries... you'll find it at the url I posted [04:24] did i do anything wrong with the partitions? [04:24] yeah... I think swap needs to be formatted... but I don't think that condition matches the error message [04:25] have I got this wrong guys? [04:25] thats what im asking === j1mc [n=test@adsl-75-22-17-254.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:25] hi all . . . how do i take a screenshot w/o using the screenshooter plugin? [04:25] anyone know? [04:25] there are some cli apps [04:25] dont know the name [04:26] !screenshot [04:26] Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button or the File -> Acquire menu in the GIMP. [04:26] ...well... there you go... === bitform [i=bitform@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x997D0F8C] has joined #xubuntu [04:26] didn't know prtscr worked under linux like that [04:26] thanks... i tried the printscreen button. i'll see about the gimp thing, though. thanks. [04:26] ttyl [04:26] farewell... [04:26] j1mc, there are apps that you can bind to the print screnn [04:27] ok so based from how i made my partitions did i do something wrong to get that sort of error message? [04:27] Jester45: like what? [04:28] did i create my partitions incorrectly or do they look how they should? [04:28] toast065: I think swap has to be formatted... and you didn't set the mountpoint for swap to be /swap [04:28] ...that's the first thing that leaps out at me [04:28] but you might not need to... [04:28] Jester45: i'll figure it out . . . :) [04:28] thanks for your help. === j1mc [n=test@adsl-75-22-17-254.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has left #xubuntu [] [04:29] ill be waiting, thanks a bunch [04:29] gentoo - a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager... a little debain/gentoo hate? [04:29] !info gentoo [04:29] gentoo: a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11.55-1.1 (feisty), package size 764 kB, installed size 2432 kB [04:30] LOL [04:30] someone called a file manager gentoo? [04:30] thats just wrong [04:30] toast065: gentoo is another distribution of linux [04:31] i know that, never used it though [04:32] it takes to long for me [04:32] so... guys... anything wrong with what I said before? [04:32] i got xfce running then i quit and got my xubuntu back [04:32] nope [04:32] and by the way despite the error the installation still finished, im restarting now [04:32] am pretty sure that swap needs to be formatted and be mounted on /swap [04:34] ill just wait for the alt disc to finish downloading [04:34] neozen, swap doesnt get mounted like that [04:34] then use that [04:34] my fstab is none for mount point [04:34] and reinstall [04:34] ok... I stand corrected [04:38] if j1rc comes back tell him to try import [04:38] how's it looking toast? [04:38] did the reboot go ok? [04:39] i can try [04:39] also... got a question guys [04:39] here it goes [04:39] graveman in feisty doesn't like burning cds [04:39] commandline burning of isos with wodim works just peachy [04:39] xfburn also fails [04:41] a course xfburn fails it sucks [04:41] (no surprise there) [04:41] anyone else have issues with graveman that weren't there in dapper? === Jester45 uses gnomebaker [04:42] ....in xubuntu [04:42] that must pull in quite a bit of gnome === Jester45 uses gnomebaker in xubuntu [04:42] not really [04:42] though... I use gnome-network-manager for wireless networking myself [04:43] cleanest interface I've ever seen [04:43] all hail [04:43] bet that uses more [04:43] perhaps [04:43] ...but its use is justified darnit! [04:43] so is gnomebaker [04:43] ok i booted fine, amazing [04:43] I haven't found anything native for xfce that does as good of a job [04:43] is good but not kde [04:44] I like simple and fast interfaces [04:44] ...kde doesn't seem to be either [04:45] i guess i may not need the alt install disc === neozen nods [04:46] yay for error messages that just scare you [04:46] ..and don't actually mean anything [04:46] ..graveman used to tell me operation failed every once in awhile... though the burn always worked just fine === neozen shrugs [04:47] and I've gotten used to iso creation and burning from the commandline [04:47] ..not a bad thing at all [04:48] well thanks im gonna try the internet connection [04:48] my ftp box auto burns dvd isos [04:48] laters [04:49] toast065: wait... [04:50] ya? [04:50] toast065: you're going to need help getting your ati driver installed [04:50] trust me [04:50] actually i think i can do this myself [04:50] toast065, what card [04:50] on my laptop [04:51] Jester45: ati mobility radeon 9000 [04:51] according to the specs he set me.. [04:51]