[12:28] <Allex> is it possible to change the iconpack in xubuntu?
[12:28] <TheSheep> bad_cables: I just had 10 cds with feisty sent to me, with bonus stickers
[12:29] <TheSheep> Allex: settings->userinterface settings, second tab
[12:29] <vidd_laptop> TheSheep, what kind of stickers they send?
[12:29] <Allex> tnx
[12:30] <bad_cables> have you guys ever had people complaining about xubuntu CD boot problems on specific architectures?
[12:30] <bad_cables> no kidding, you just sold ubuntu to thousands of kids across america by making iconic stickers to define their generation
[12:30] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: http://www.zerohex.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/ubuntu%20stickers.jpg
[12:32] <bad_cables> well just to let you know, i never had been able to boot xubuntu 6 on this box
[12:32] <bad_cables> it is an Ezra... a via compact 800Mghz server
[12:33] <bad_cables> but 7 boots just fine with no hitch, a little slow on the install as compared to other OS's
[12:33] <bad_cables> but no stalls or anything
[12:33] <bad_cables> and low heat on use too
[12:33] <Jester45> bad_cables, 7.04 has a newer kernel so it has better hardware support
[12:34] <bad_cables> i was using DSL before this, which ran like motor, but... i forgot every password to it
[12:35] <bad_cables> and apperantly i had upgraded DSL with audio software into a non supported or supportable direction
[12:35] <bad_cables> so i just paved
[12:40] <bad_cables> well give me an app to write a help file for... and i will try my best in english first
[12:40] <bad_cables> i have an employee that i can threaten with torture and death if he doesnt translate into spanish/french/portuguess
[12:41] <bad_cables> i can even charge off company overtime for him to do it
[12:42] <bad_cables> but keep your mouth shut about that one ;)
[12:42] <bad_cables> please
[12:42] <bad_cables> lol
[01:01] <Allex> if i download a icon pack, how do i install it or be able to choose it in the meny of packs?
[01:02] <cellofellow> Allex: extract it into /usr/share/icons, or into ~/.icons
[01:02] <Allex> ok
[01:02] <cellofellow> then it will be available in User Interface Settings.
[01:02] <Allex> tnx
[01:37] <neozen> meep
[01:54] <keb> did anyone figure out how to stop that annoying border/icon flashing when a background window is updated?
[02:08] <TheSheep> keb: it's not when the window is updated, it's hen the application send an 'urgent' hint to the window manager
[02:08] <keb> oic
[02:08] <keb> so i have to get the wm to ignore it
[02:10] <keb> i don't see a setting for that in Settings, Window Manager or Window Manager Tweaks
[02:13] <TheSheep> keb: because it's agains the specificatiosn to ignore it. you also don't have options to ignore any of hundreds other signals that the application could send
[02:13] <keb> hmm. how about not ignore but take a different action, such as "nop"
[02:14] <TheSheep> keb: how about you make the application not send that signal?
[02:14] <asim> can someone help me with mozilla settings?
[02:14] <TheSheep> keb: should be easier and won't break all the other apps
[02:15] <keb> TheSheep : thanks, i'll consider which apps really bug me when they do that
[02:24] <keb> asim you may get better results in #firefox
[02:44] <toast065> im here
[02:45] <keb> yay
[02:45] <toast065> woot
[02:46] <toast065> neo?
[02:49] <toast065> you all here for xubuntu?
[02:49] <toast065> im doing a new install
[02:49] <vidd_laptop> im here to give out help
[02:49] <keb> yessir
[02:50] <Jester45> im here to help to
[02:50] <toast065> should i just install regularly or safe graphics mode, which is the best
[02:50] <Jester45> vidd_laptop, did you look at the site? to you like the first or 2nd table better
[02:51] <toast065> ouch
[02:51] <vidd_laptop> toast065, i prefer the alt install where it dont matter
[02:51] <neozen> toast065: indeed... alternate install always works
[02:52] <Jester45> not always
[02:52] <toast065> alt?
[02:52] <neozen> toast065: but you should have enough ram to use the graphical install
[02:52] <Jester45> but is much more likly to work
[02:52] <neozen> toast065: ie... the image with desktop in the name
[02:52] <neozen> toast065: image with alternate in the name is a text-based install
[02:53] <neozen> toast065: try installing regularly first
[02:53] <toast065> k
[02:53] <neozen> toast065: what kind of graphics card?
[02:53] <Jester45> its very simualr to the regualr install but is faster and much more powerfull (and doesnt messup as much)
[02:53] <neozen> .... I think its time for me to install an actual doc
[02:54] <neozen> my panel is getting a little out of hand
[02:54] <Jester45> doc?
[02:54] <neozen> dock
[02:54] <toast065> dell inspiron 2500
[02:55] <neozen> thing usually at bottom of screen on a mac... has a bunch of icons representing running programs or launchers for them...
[02:56] <toast065> ahhhhhhhh now i see the alt install iso, i burned the one on the top
[02:57] <vidd_laptop> yeah...they REALLY should have it higher on the page
[02:57] <toast065> or make a mention of it
[02:58] <neozen> screenshot on the way...
[03:01] <neozen> http://neozen.homelinux.org/~neozen/timefordock.png
[03:02] <neozen> I've been using an xfce panel.... and it think its just time to move to an actual dock-type application instead
[03:02] <neozen> can anyone recommend an intuitive one that isn't dependant on gnome or kde?
[03:03] <toast065> sexy
[03:03] <toast065> i like the colors
[03:04] <neozen> toast065: heh... me too... took a little work (installing themes, fixing firefox to work with that particular dark theme) ... and, of course, moving panels around and configuring the launchers
[03:04] <neozen> toast065: I find this layout really really usable
[03:07] <toast065> ok... 40 free gigs, in what way should i partition the disk?
[03:08] <Jester45> i like a / partition of 4gb an /etc of 2gb and a 300mb swap and the rest to /home
[03:09] <toast065> explain
[03:09] <toast065> like what are they used for?
[03:11] <Jester45>  /home is where your user data goes and a lot of the config files
[03:11] <toast065> i see
[03:11] <Jester45>  /etc  is more configs
[03:11] <toast065> like hardware?
[03:11] <Jester45>  / is the rest of your system that isnt in the other partitions
[03:13] <Jester45> like system programs like apt
[03:13] <toast065> ah
[03:13] <Jester45> ie /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:13] <neozen> Jester45: 2gb etc?
[03:13] <neozen> that's... huge
[03:14] <Jester45> i said thats what i do
[03:14] <toast065> whats the etc used for?
[03:14] <neozen> system-wide configurations
[03:14] <toast065> thats understandable
[03:14] <Jester45> like apt or xorg
[03:14] <neozen> Jester45: though I can see why you would want to split that off
[03:15] <neozen> Jester45: admin?
[03:15] <Jester45> yea
[03:15] <neozen> makes perfect sense then
[03:16] <neozen> toast065: you most likely won't need to split off etc
[03:16] <Jester45> has his*
[03:16] <toast065> whats the point of splitting it?
[03:16] <neozen> toast065: allows reinstall of operating system without need to back up data in that directory
[03:17] <Jester45> so that you can back it up easier and upgrades dont erase your configs
[03:17] <neozen> prior to the install
[03:17] <toast065> never thought of that
[03:18] <neozen> toast065: at the very minimum... use a different partition for /home
[03:18] <neozen> ...makes all the difference in the world when first starting out with linux
[03:18] <toast065> so say 2 gb for /ect and the rest for /home?
[03:18] <Jester45> toast065, you need a / also and swap
[03:19] <Jester45> the / is for things that you dont split off
[03:19] <Jester45> neozen, you an admin also?
[03:19] <neozen> lol... or just a 2gb / (I still haven't filled up mine.... though I don't use this machine as a server) 256mb swap and use the rest for /home
[03:19] <neozen> Jester45: only of my own systems
[03:19] <Jester45> o
[03:19] <neozen> Jester45: no one paying me.... to do this.... yet
[03:20] <neozen> Jester45: though I'm looking for something more in the developer line of work
[03:20] <neozen> Jester45: (just finished my undergrad)\
[03:20] <toast065> well im currently on the partition part, reminding you ive never done this before, ive used knoppix but thats it
[03:24] <neozen> Jester45: heh.. and you've already got a job doing administration.... not too shabby
[03:25] <Jester45> yep
[03:25] <Jester45> the goodness of irc
[03:25] <neozen> toast065: no worries... we'll get you through
[03:25] <toast065> ah
[03:26] <toast065> does it matter in which order you create the partitions?
[03:26] <neozen> toast065: nope
[03:26] <neozen> toast065: but I think / has to be bootable
[03:26] <Jester45> well its /boot but if you dont make it / has to be it
[03:27] <toast065> ok 300mb swap primary at beginning, what next
[03:27] <Jester45> toast065, how much ram do you have
[03:27] <toast065> 256
[03:27] <Jester45> you might want more. if your a power user
[03:28] <toast065> i know it could go up to 512, didnt do it
[03:28] <Jester45> many people say to have 2x your ram unless you got a lot
[03:28] <toast065> well then i need two 256 SD laptop cards
[03:29] <toast065> cheap
[03:29] <neozen> Jester45: lol
[03:29] <neozen> toast065: what will you be using this box for?
[03:29] <neozen> as a server or just a desktop/workstation machine?
[03:30] <Jester45> like my most used desktop has 4gb ram so i have 300mb of swap and it never get touched
[03:30] <neozen> even with 1gb ram... swap doesn't get touched
[03:30] <neozen> ..but with only 256 ... chances are it will
[03:30] <toast065> its my first time using linux, thought id start it before school starts this fall, though i think they use red hat
[03:30] <neozen> heh
[03:31] <neozen> well things are a little different in ubuntus/debian
[03:31] <toast065> i know
[03:31] <neozen> kk
[03:31] <toast065> ive seen both and i like ubuntu better
[03:31] <Jester45> still its good to start
[03:31] <neozen> the best imho
[03:32] <neozen> anyway...
[03:32] <neozen> oh... have you covered filesystem types?
[03:32] <neozen> yet jester?
[03:33] <toast065> no
[03:33] <neozen> swap partition must be linux-swap
[03:33] <Jester45> to him? no
[03:33] <toast065> well i know ntfs and fat but thats it
[03:33] <neozen> and for / and /home I recommend ext3
[03:33] <Jester45> i use reiser on everything but /home /boot
[03:34] <Jester45> toast065, those are window's formats they are slow and suck
[03:34] <neozen> toast065: welcome to the many ways to skin the cat
[03:34] <Jester45> hehe
[03:34] <toast065> im excited
[03:34] <neozen> toast065: this is good
[03:34] <neozen> toast065: feel free to experiment
[03:34] <neozen> toast065: its what linux is all about
[03:35] <neozen> toast065: just have the install disk handy incase you make something go kaboom
[03:35] <neozen> toast065: (which most of the time you can only induce as root)
[03:35] <neozen> making things go boom that is
[03:35] <Jester45> and remember if do somehow mess it up really bad. a reinstall only takes time (and even less with seprate partitions)
[03:35] <neozen> indeed
[03:36] <neozen> that's why we are recommending you split off /home
[03:36] <Jester45> boom a user can do a kaboom only root :)
[03:36] <neozen> Jester45: indeed
[03:36] <Jester45> once you know linux you can get things set up very quickly after a install
[03:36] <neozen> "hey.... where'd my files go? .... I only did a rm * .o "
[03:37] <neozen> toast065: notice the space between the star and the dot
[03:37] <neozen> ......baaaaad
[03:37] <Jester45> neozen, for for got to add the sudo to that rm
[03:38] <toast065> ok so ive got my swap and free space, whats the next one?
[03:38] <neozen> Jester45: that should still make your files disappear
[03:38] <Jester45>  /home
[03:38] <neozen> Jester45: files for your user that is
[03:38] <Jester45> neozen, only /home files
[03:38] <Jester45> yep but a sudo on that would be really bad
[03:38] <toast065> how big?
[03:39] <neozen> yeah... still disastrous for that user
[03:39] <neozen> toast065: well ... you've already made / right?
[03:39] <neozen> toast065: you should make that first
[03:39] <neozen> toast065: so you can just set the size of /home to be whatever is leftover
[03:40] <Jester45> o yea
[03:40] <Jester45> i wasnt thinking
[03:42] <toast065> ok
[03:42] <toast065> ive still got 39 gigs left, how much for /home and the other partitions?
[03:43] <neozen> toast065: after creating / and /swap?
[03:43] <neozen> toast065: set the rest to /home
[03:43] <toast065> wait...
[03:43] <neozen> Jester45: don't think there's any real need for a newbie to split of /etc
[03:43] <neozen> Jester45: makes perfect sense on a server though
[03:44] <neozen> Jester45: apache/firewall configuration/ssh keys alone make it worth the slight loss of space
[03:44] <toast065> this whole just "/" thing kinda confuses me, what is it and why not lable it?
[03:44] <neozen> heh
[03:45] <neozen> toast065: / is the top of the filesystem treee
[03:45] <toast065> like desktop?
[03:45] <neozen> kind of like c:\ in dos and windows
[03:45] <toast065> ok ok ok
[03:45] <toast065> thats easy now
[03:46] <Jester45> kinda like c;\ and kinda like c;\windows\
[03:46] <neozen> unixes just have the slash backwards
[03:47] <vidd_laptop> no...winows does
[03:47] <neozen> to a windows user... its backwards
[03:47] <vidd_laptop> unixes were there first
[03:47] <neozen> inDEEd
[03:47] <Jester45> http:// / c;\  whats the oddball
[03:47] <neozen> call it a typo induced by lack of foodage
[03:47] <Jester45> :)
[03:49] <vidd_laptop> it is just another case where M$ fouled something up and called it a "feature"
[03:49] <Jester45> like auto defrag when they could just fix the problem
[03:50] <neozen> I just love linux for the shear enormity of choices available to the user
[03:51] <neozen> even just visually...
[03:51] <neozen> all the window managers, desktop environments, themes,
[03:51] <toast065> so for / do i call the mount point /?
[03:52] <neozen> YEP
[03:52] <Jester45> or  if you like non-visually
[03:52] <vidd_laptop> well...M$ gives you choices too....do you want your system to crash from which of the millions of viruses.....
[03:52] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[03:52] <neozen> rat poison....
[03:52] <neozen> or even just a terminal window with screen
[03:53] <toast065> should i use it as ext3?
[03:53] <neozen> toast065: sure
[03:53] <neozen> you can experiment later
[03:53] <Jester45> ext3 is good for all but swap
[03:54] <neozen> swap must be linux-swap
[03:54] <toast065> well its not available for swap
[03:54] <neozen> that's for a reason ::grins::
[03:55] <toast065> i know that
[03:57] <toast065> ok got swap and /, rest to home?
[03:57] <neozen> yep
[03:58] <vidd_laptop> how much to /?
[03:58] <toast065> 37 gigs
[03:58] <toast065> out of 40
[03:58] <vidd_laptop> 37 gig for /?
[03:58] <vidd_laptop> or for /home?
[03:58] <toast065> home
[03:58] <neozen> 37gb to /home
[03:58] <Jester45> toast065, you got it backwards /home is better than .
[03:58] <Jester45> ok
[03:58] <Jester45> good
[03:59] <toast065> oh right, i see it
[04:00] <Jester45> toast065, if you ever did a windows install you will love the formating speed you will see next
[04:00] <neozen> lol
[04:00] <neozen> yeah... that was good stuff
[04:00] <neozen> poof! its done!
[04:00] <neozen> and xubuntu installed for me in about 15 minutes
[04:01] <toast065> ok then
[04:01] <neozen> not including time to input partitions, usernames, etc
[04:01] <vidd_laptop> first time i saw it, i thought something went wrong
[04:02] <neozen> lol
[04:03] <vidd_laptop> less then 10 minutes on 2 120gig hdd's
[04:04] <vidd_laptop> went to the store to get some smokes...got back and it was done
[04:04] <neozen> hehe... well.... only 2gb or so of it actually gets used
[04:04] <neozen> for xubuntu...
[04:04] <neozen> the rest... is all yours
[04:04] <neozen> ...I dare anyone to make windows xp fit in 2gb and be happy about it
[04:05] <vidd_laptop> heck....try to get vista to play nice with only 2gb of ram
[04:06] <neozen> or only 1?
[04:06] <neozen> ...(all I have in this laptop)
[04:06] <neozen> linux rejoices anyway
[04:07] <toast065> damn
[04:07] <toast065> ok something went wrong
[04:07] <vidd_laptop> how so?
[04:08] <toast065> cannot mount volume
[04:08] <vidd_laptop> live or alt cd?
[04:10] <toast065> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/ sda1,   missing codepage or other error in some cases useful into is found in syslog -try dmesg | tail or so
[04:10] <neozen> O.o
[04:10] <neozen> toast065: well run dmesg |tail
[04:11] <Pumpernickel> If it's the livecd, check bug 107259.
[04:11] <neozen> that's that bug number
[04:11] <toast065> should i download and burn the alt?
[04:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259
[04:11] <Pumpernickel> Yes.  It's more reliable.
[04:12] <neozen> that bug rear its ugly head on any particular systems?
[04:12] <neozen> ie... sata vs ide etc?
[04:12] <vidd_laptop> toast065, yes...go with the alt
[04:12] <neozen> I installed from livecd ... and haven't experienced this bug
[04:15] <toast065> how do i post pics on this board?
[04:15] <Pumpernickel> Thumbtacs.
[04:16] <vidd_laptop> !paste
[04:16] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:17] <toast065> well ok i have a picture where can i upload it too?
[04:18] <vidd_laptop> !paste | toast065
[04:18] <ubotu> toast065: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:20] <neozen> ...pastebin can handle pics?
[04:21] <neozen> O.o
[04:21] <neozen> didn't know that
[04:21] <vidd_laptop> it cant?
[04:22] <neozen> nope... it can't...
[04:22] <neozen> I'll post on the server here and give ye all the url
[04:23] <toast065> yeah i was pretty mystified by what you were saying there
[04:23] <neozen> http://neozen.homelinux.org/~neozen/DSC00066.JPG
[04:23] <neozen> doesn't swap have to be formatted as well?
[04:23] <Jester45> it might beable to with this http://rifers.org/blogs/gbevin/2005/4/11/embedding_images_inside_html
[04:24] <vidd_laptop> nope...dont believe so
[04:24] <neozen> heh... no worries... you'll find it at the url I posted
[04:24] <toast065> did i do anything wrong with the partitions?
[04:24] <neozen> yeah... I think swap needs to be formatted... but I don't think that condition matches the error message
[04:25] <neozen> have I got this wrong guys?
[04:25] <toast065> thats what im asking
[04:25] <j1mc> hi all . . . how do i take a screenshot w/o using the screenshooter plugin?
[04:25] <j1mc> anyone know?
[04:25] <Jester45> there are some cli apps
[04:25] <Jester45> dont know the name
[04:26] <Jester45> !screenshot
[04:26] <ubotu> Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr]  button or the File -> Acquire menu in the GIMP.
[04:26] <neozen> ...well... there you go...
[04:26] <neozen> didn't know prtscr worked under linux like that
[04:26] <j1mc> thanks... i tried the printscreen button.  i'll see about the gimp thing, though.  thanks.
[04:26] <j1mc> ttyl
[04:26] <neozen> farewell...
[04:26] <Jester45> j1mc, there are apps that you can bind to the print screnn
[04:27] <toast065> ok so based from how i made my partitions did i do something wrong to get that sort of error message?
[04:27] <j1mc> Jester45: like what?
[04:28] <toast065> did i create my partitions incorrectly or do they look how they should?
[04:28] <neozen> toast065: I think swap has to be formatted... and you didn't set the mountpoint for swap to be /swap
[04:28] <neozen> ...that's the first thing that leaps out at me
[04:28] <neozen> but you might not need to...
[04:28] <j1mc> Jester45: i'll figure it out . . . :)
[04:28] <j1mc> thanks for your help.
[04:29] <toast065> ill be waiting, thanks a bunch
[04:29] <Jester45> gentoo - a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager... a little debain/gentoo hate?
[04:29] <Jester45> !info gentoo
[04:29] <ubotu> gentoo: a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11.55-1.1 (feisty), package size 764 kB, installed size 2432 kB
[04:30] <neozen> LOL
[04:30] <neozen> someone called a file manager gentoo?
[04:30] <neozen> thats just wrong
[04:30] <neozen> toast065: gentoo is another distribution of linux
[04:31] <toast065> i know that, never used it though
[04:32] <Jester45> it takes to long for me
[04:32] <neozen> so... guys... anything wrong with what I said before?
[04:32] <Jester45> i got xfce running then i quit and got my xubuntu back
[04:32] <Jester45> nope
[04:32] <toast065> and by the way despite the error the installation still finished, im restarting now
[04:32] <neozen> am pretty sure that swap needs to be formatted and be mounted on /swap
[04:34] <toast065> ill just wait for the alt disc to finish downloading
[04:34] <Jester45> neozen, swap doesnt get mounted like that
[04:34] <toast065> then use that
[04:34] <Jester45> my fstab is none for mount point
[04:34] <toast065> and reinstall
[04:34] <neozen> ok... I stand corrected
[04:38] <Jester45> if j1rc comes back tell him to try import
[04:38] <neozen> how's it looking toast?
[04:38] <neozen> did the reboot go ok?
[04:39] <toast065> i can try
[04:39] <neozen> also... got a question guys
[04:39] <toast065> here it goes
[04:39] <neozen> graveman in feisty doesn't like burning cds
[04:39] <neozen> commandline burning of isos with wodim works just peachy
[04:39] <neozen> xfburn also fails
[04:41] <Jester45> a course xfburn fails it sucks
[04:41] <neozen> (no surprise there)
[04:41] <neozen> anyone else have issues with graveman that weren't there in dapper?
[04:42] <neozen> ....in xubuntu
[04:42] <neozen> that must pull in quite a bit of gnome
[04:42] <Jester45> not really
[04:42] <neozen> though... I use gnome-network-manager for wireless networking myself
[04:43] <neozen> cleanest interface I've ever seen
[04:43] <neozen> all hail
[04:43] <Jester45> bet that uses more
[04:43] <neozen> perhaps
[04:43] <neozen> ...but its use is justified darnit!
[04:43] <Jester45> so is gnomebaker
[04:43] <toast065> ok i booted fine, amazing
[04:43] <neozen> I haven't found anything native for xfce that does as good of a job
[04:43] <Jester45> is good but not kde
[04:44] <neozen> I like simple and fast interfaces
[04:44] <neozen> ...kde doesn't seem to be either
[04:45] <toast065> i guess i may not need the alt install disc
[04:46] <neozen> yay for error messages that just scare you
[04:46] <neozen> ..and don't actually mean anything
[04:46] <neozen> ..graveman used to tell me operation failed every once in awhile... though the burn always worked just fine
[04:47] <neozen> and I've gotten used to iso creation and burning from the commandline
[04:47] <neozen> ..not a bad thing at all
[04:48] <toast065> well thanks im gonna try the internet connection
[04:48] <Jester45> my ftp box auto burns dvd isos
[04:48] <toast065> laters
[04:49] <neozen> toast065: wait...
[04:50] <toast065> ya?
[04:50] <neozen> toast065: you're going to need help getting your ati driver installed
[04:50] <neozen> trust me
[04:50] <toast065> actually i think i can do this myself
[04:50] <Jester45> toast065, what card
[04:50] <toast065> on my laptop
[04:51] <neozen> Jester45: ati mobility radeon 9000
[04:51] <neozen> according to the specs he set me..
[04:51] <toast065> no no no
[04:51] <toast065> thats the laptop that i am currently using now
[04:52] <toast065> the laptop i installed xubuntu on is a dell inspiron 2500 POS
[04:52] <Jester45> ok... what card does that have
[04:52] <toast065> and surprisingly said, ive done this part before
[04:53] <neozen> Jester45: its an ati mobility radeon 9000
[04:53] <toast065> but
[04:53] <neozen> toast065: ok
[04:53] <neozen> toast065: enjoy then
[04:53] <toast065> wait
[04:53] <neozen> heh
[04:53] <Jester45> my ati radeon 9250 cards work like a charm
[04:54] <neozen> not going anywhere mon
[04:54] <neozen> what's up?
[04:54] <toast065> ok this is BS
[04:54] <toast065> when i launch the terminal it logs me out
[04:54] <neozen> .......
[04:54] <Jester45> oooo] 
[04:54] <Jester45> i know that bug
[04:54] <neozen> eheh
[04:55] <neozen> toast065: see why I brought you here?
[04:55] <neozen> toast065: I can't answer half the bug-related questions
[04:55] <toast065> well i kinda did this before and didnt do this before
[04:55] <neozen> toast065: hasn't done that for me either
[04:55] <neozen> ever
[04:55] <neozen> on any version of xubuntu
[04:55] <Jester45> toast065, you need to use a diffrent ternimal such as xterm or ctrl+alt+F1(also 2,3,4,5,6)  ctrl+alt+F7 brings you back to gui
[04:56] <neozen> ?
[04:56] <neozen> lol
[04:56] <neozen> Terminal not work on his particular configuration?
[04:56] <toast065> i installed xubuntu on a desktop but dropped the HD when i tripped, now its useless, however i did have internet working through use of the terminal
[04:56] <neozen> press alt-f2 and type xfterm4
[04:56] <neozen> once you can see the gui again
[04:56] <toast065> when i installed xubuntu that time though i had the system configure my partition instead
[04:57] <neozen> (after pressing cntrl-alt-f7)
[04:57] <neozen> ....hey wait... that's not a bug
[04:57] <neozen> that's just a virtual console
[04:57] <toast065> huh?
[04:57] <neozen> ...that really IS a feature!
[04:58] <neozen> toast065: have you gotten your gui to appear again?
[04:58] <toast065> security thingy?
[04:58] <neozen> toast065: no
[04:58] <toast065> yes
[04:58] <toast065> successfully
[04:58] <toast065> what to do?
[04:58] <neozen> toast065: more like emulation of dumb-terminals attached directly to your box
[04:58] <Jester45> neozen, i said he needs to use the virtual consoles or to use a diffrent terminal
[04:59] <neozen> Jester45: does Terminal not work now or something?
[04:59] <toast065> well i booted and everything worked great
[04:59] <neozen> was asking Jester45
[04:59] <neozen> as Terminal (the thing eventually run by xfterm4) works just great here
[04:59] <toast065> except terminal, which if it makes me log out that kinda does sound like a security feature, though it also sounds like a bug
[05:00] <neozen> no ..that's not a feature
[05:00] <toast065> how do i disable it
[05:00] <neozen> though pressing cntrl+alt+f(1-9) does load up a virtual console
[05:01] <Jester45> 1-6
[05:01] <neozen> 9 works as well
[05:01] <neozen> seems to display startup messages
[05:01] <toast065> ok!
[05:01] <Jester45> but 7 will be the X server
[05:02] <toast065> crtl alt f1 does the same thing as terminal but does not log me out instead i can clear the screen by doing crtl alt f6
[05:02] <Jester45> and if your running 3 xservers that means 7-9 is a gui
[05:02] <toast065> sure is
[05:02] <Jester45> toast065, no, thats a diffrent terminal
[05:03] <Jester45> toast065, go to F1 login and type clear
[05:03] <toast065> clear
[05:03] <toast065> pass?
[05:04] <Jester45> pass is what you set it to
[05:04] <toast065> ok
[05:04] <toast065> ...
[05:05] <toast065> didnt work
[05:05] <toast065> incorrect username shit
[05:05] <Jester45> dont use clear as the username
[05:05] <Jester45> login as your user then run clear
[05:06] <toast065> so go to ctrl alt f1 and then type clear
[05:06] <toast065> ?
[05:07] <Jester45> no
[05:07] <Jester45> ctrl alt f1
[05:07] <Jester45> login as your normal user
[05:07] <toast065> ok i get a screen full opf static shit
[05:07] <Jester45> then type clear
[05:07] <neozen> toast065: cntrl alt f6 doesn't clear the screen.... is just another virtual console
[05:07] <toast065> ok
[05:08] <toast065> yeah i figured that out, my bad
[05:08] <toast065> what next
[05:08] <Jester45> toast065, thats what im showing you
[05:08] <neozen> Jester45: never run more then one xserver
[05:08] <Jester45> clear .... clears the text
[05:08] <neozen> *I've
[05:08] <Jester45> neozen, why i have for  a few months now
[05:09] <neozen> never saw the reason
[05:09] <neozen> main linux box is a laptop
[05:09] <Jester45> so why not do it
[05:09] <neozen> no need... and server box doesn't have x installed
[05:09] <toast065> ctrl alt f1 doesnt give me a screen of text, i get a screen of non-moving static, and when i do type i dont see anything actaully being inputted
[05:09] <neozen> non-moving static
[05:09] <Jester45> neozen, aaa i got you
[05:09] <Jester45> neozen, you ment I've never ran more than one
[05:10] <neozen> Jester45: yes.. I mean I've never run more then one at a time
[05:10] <toast065> non-moving static, like static but frozen on the screen knowing the computer isnt actually frozen
[05:10] <neozen> .....
[05:10] <neozen> that's new to me
[05:10] <neozen> Jester45: ?
[05:10] <Jester45> new to me
[05:10] <Jester45> maybe a video driver problem
[05:10] <neozen> I'ma blame the card
[05:10] <neozen> needs a driver
[05:11] <Jester45> toast065, try updating your system
[05:11] <toast065> i can take a piv of it but its just a bunch of colored lines
[05:11] <neozen> toast065: go install ati driver you!
[05:11] <neozen> toast065: and do that too!
[05:11] <neozen> toast065: matter of fact... do that FIRST!
[05:11] <toast065> i need the terminal to install the internet card!
[05:11] <Jester45> neozen, i might have seen it before
[05:11] <Jester45> toast065, can you take a pic?
[05:11] <toast065> fine
[05:11] <neozen> video driver problems usually render static
[05:12] <neozen> ..though my laptop had issues with using the brightness buttons
[05:12] <neozen> blacklisted video... and now they work just fine
[05:13] <neozen> somethings the kernel should just leave to the bios
[05:16] <Jester45> brb gonna try my new kernel
[05:16] <toast065> kk
[05:20] <Jester45> hehe it workes
[05:22] <neozen> lol
[05:22] <toast065> well done
[05:22] <neozen> booted that fast eh?
[05:22] <neozen> sounds like some nice hardware
[05:22] <Jester45> and a lean kernel
[05:23] <neozen> ah
[05:23] <neozen> that'd do it
[05:23] <neozen> I've debated stripping down the basic ubuntu one
[05:23] <neozen> to just what I need for this laptop
[05:24] <Jester45> i stripped down a vanilla kernel
[05:24] <neozen> well... this laptop will need a few non-standard things
[05:24] <neozen> ...like the module for the 3945abg
[05:26] <Jester45> im using 2.6.22.1
[05:29] <toast065> i think i may give this up tonight
[05:29] <neozen> toast065: nooo!
[05:29] <toast065> tell me what to do
[05:30] <neozen> install the driver for ati
[05:30] <neozen> reboot X if necessary to get the gui to show up again
[05:31] <Jester45> toast065, get a screenshot or pic of it yet? i might know the reason
[05:32] <neozen> Jester45: http://neozen.homelinux.org/~neozen/DSC00068.JPG
[05:32] <neozen> that's it
[05:32] <neozen> looks like video driver static
[05:32] <neozen> ...last time I saw something like this.. that's what it was
[05:32] <toast065> frozen static
[05:32] <neozen> driver was upset
[05:33] <Jester45> humm
[05:33] <Jester45> kinda looks like my screen when i super overclocked one of my vid cards
[05:35] <Jester45> im thinking about making a custom weter cooling system
[05:35] <neozen> heh
[05:35] <neozen> I did that on one of my old systems
[05:36] <Jester45> useing a car's heat spreader
[05:36] <Jester45> its for the heater
[05:36] <Jester45> about a foot square
[05:36] <neozen> ..cycled the water from a nearby aquarium through the aquarium pump /filter then through the heatsink for the computer
[05:36] <neozen> I really wish I'd taken pictures
[05:41] <Jester45> do you think just having the heat sink in the air would be good
[05:41] <Jester45> maybe a 120mm fan
[05:42] <neozen> lol
[05:42] <neozen> I know it was overkill
[05:42] <neozen> but it looked really cool
[05:43] <Jester45> no over kill is this guy who has a beowulf custer being water cooled from his pool
[05:43] <neozen> .....picture?
[05:43] <Jester45> i dont remember where
[05:44] <Jester45> maybe on hackaday.com
[05:44] <toast065> that place has everything
[05:45] <Jester45> thanks for the idea, i think i might use a fish tank pump
[05:46] <Jester45> im sure i have one of those laying around
[05:48] <neozen> Jester45: no geek should be without one
[05:48] <Jester45> im no geek :)
[05:48] <neozen> most useful thing in the world for moving water a bit at a time...
[05:48] <neozen> well I AM
[05:53] <neozen> http://www.thegeekgroup.org/
[05:54] <exw> anybody else having problems with the battery monitor disappearing from the panel?
[05:54] <neozen> "because the geek shall inherit the earth" .... I so hate puns... but I like that one
[05:54] <neozen> exw: nope... you using feisty?
[05:55] <exw> neozen: yah feisty
[05:55] <neozen> exw: does it disappear after shutdown and restart... or just randomly?
[05:55] <neozen> exw: when its disappeared see if the applet still appears to be running
[05:55] <exw> neozen: it doesn't reappear after restart
[05:56] <neozen> how are you shutting down the box?
[05:56] <exw> powering down
[05:56] <neozen> via the gui or via shutdown command on the terminal?
[05:56] <neozen> exw: do you mean just whacking the power button?
[05:56] <neozen> exw: that's... not good
[05:56] <exw> no
[05:57] <exw> proper shutdown
[05:57] <neozen> gOOD
[05:57] <neozen> I used to notice changes to my panel not taking effect purely because I shutdown the box from the terminal instead of logging out of xfce first
[05:57] <neozen> *xfce session
[05:58] <neozen> just wanted to eliminate that possibility
[05:58] <neozen> once its disappeared does the applet still appear to be running
[05:58] <neozen> ie.. show up in the task manager or in the output of ps ax?
[06:01] <exw> The only way I could get it to work again, was to create a new user, and add it to the panel... it appeared for a while then disappeared.  and yes a ps ax | grep bat shows three batmon processes running
[06:01] <exw> neozen: ^^
[06:02] <neozen> lol
[06:02] <neozen> wow...
[06:02] <neozen> nope
[06:02] <neozen> certainly haven't seen that here
[06:02] <neozen> ibm acpi modules
[06:02] <neozen> (thinkpad laptop here)
[06:02] <neozen> what kind of laptop do you have?
[06:02] <exw> yah its weird... it worked fine on the other laptop i have
[06:03] <exw> both models old sonys ( yuck )
[06:09] <jgamio> somebody know how to install a usb lan nexxt
[06:11] <Catoptromancy> usb nic?
[06:12] <jgamio> what is usb nic?
[06:12] <Catoptromancy> networkinterface card
[06:13] <Catoptromancy> does it turn an ethernet wire into a usb plug
[06:13] <jgamio> Catoptromancy: is a wireless lan usb adapter
[06:13] <Catoptromancy> oh
[06:13] <Catoptromancy> what brand?
[06:13] <jgamio> nexxt
[06:14] <Catoptromancy> !ndiswrapper
[06:14] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:14] <Catoptromancy> there is a list of compatible ndiswrapper devices
[06:14] <Catoptromancy> if your lucky nexxt is on the list
[06:15] <Catoptromancy> then it should be easy to install
[06:15] <jgamio> thanks
[06:17] <jgamio> but not lucky here
[06:30] <chch> :|
[06:32] <Jester45> :) is better
[06:32] <chch> hi
[06:32] <Jester45> hi
[06:33] <chch> i have a doubt about xubuntu
[06:33] <Jester45> why
[06:33] <chch> well, i install xubuntu and it doesnt ask me about the root pasword
[06:33] <chch> so, i dont know it
[06:35] <chch> so, how i get or setup the root password
[06:35] <Jester45> ChanServ, you set it during the install
[06:35] <Jester45> o
[06:35] <Jester45> chch, ^^^^
[06:35] <chch> not the installer do not askme the root password
[06:35] <Catoptromancy> my installs always have
[06:35] <Jester45> it does
[06:35] <chch> just the user pass
[06:36] <chch> nop
[06:36] <Catoptromancy> thats root
[06:36] <chch> what?
[06:36] <Jester45> chch, it ask for it trust me to run a program as root do sudo command
[06:36] <Jester45> then enter your users password
[06:36] <jgamio> did you install the with the eom option
[06:37] <Jester45> by defualt there is not root pass because that is a security risk
[06:38] <chch> but in other linux , there ask the root password when install it
[06:39] <Jester45> chch, different version different install
[06:50] <neozen> well Jester45 we now have yet another satisfied xubuntu user
[06:51] <Jester45> hi maxamillion
[06:51] <neozen> just got the last thing running that he needed.... mplayer
[06:51] <neozen> max?
[06:51] <maxamillion> hi Jester45
[06:51] <maxamillion> neozen: yes?
[06:51] <neozen> hey there
[06:51] <neozen> long time no see
[06:51] <maxamillion> lol
[06:51] <maxamillion> hi hi
[06:51] <maxamillion> neozen: yeah
[06:52] <maxamillion> i've been busy with school and work
[06:52] <Jester45> maxamillion, im getting a rack server for in my house :)
[06:53] <maxamillion> Jester45: whoa ... nice!
[06:53] <maxamillion> Jester45: be careful about electric bills
[06:53] <maxamillion> Jester45: what you going to do with it?
[06:53] <Jester45> well its only gonna have a 1U on it to start
[06:53] <Jester45> store my movies
[06:54] <Jester45> among just about everything else i need
[06:54] <neozen> lol
[06:55] <maxamillion> actually ... i own a 1U server stored at a level 3 colocation ... i just don't do much personal stuff with it
[06:56] <Jester45> accept torrents... but i could use his home server for that :)
[07:10] <mongolai> anyone know if there is an smbclient module for Thunar?
[07:13] <raylu> what is the command to start xubuntu?
[07:14] <Jester45> raylu, do you mean the gui?
[07:14] <raylu> er, i guess
[07:14] <raylu> i had ubuntu-server
[07:14] <raylu> that i installed xubuntu-desktop on with apt
[07:14] <raylu> im using cygwin to connect to it
[07:15] <raylu> *Cygwin/X, so how should i start it?
[07:15] <Jester45> raylu, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[07:15] <Colossus73> good morning
[07:15] <raylu> that seems to start it locally, even if i export DISPLAY
[07:15] <mm_202> Anyone know what the easiest way (if possible) to get xubuntu to boot from a flash drive?
[07:16] <Jester45> raylu, try startx
[07:16] <Jester45> !install | mm_202
[07:16] <ubotu> mm_202: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[07:17] <mm_202> ubotu: thank you, I checked out xubuntu.com and didnt find anything.
[07:17] <Jester45> your welcome
[07:18] <Jester45> ubotu  is a computer
[07:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is a computer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:18] <raylu> *bot
[07:18] <Jester45> see... not to smart one to
[07:26] <Jester45> its fine a lot of people do it
[07:26] <Jester45> its more common when the bot takes a while to repond to the command
[07:26] <Jester45> !ubotu
[07:26] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:27] <raylu> Jester45, startxfce4 did the trick for me; thanks
[07:37] <chch> hi again
[07:38] <chch> some body knows where i can get info about what means the command->     ./
[07:39] <Catoptromancy> its tells a cmd line to the the following file is to execute
[07:39] <Colossus73> does anyone here using xubuntu have the printer applet in the xrfce panel working?
[07:40] <chch> thank you
[07:40] <Catoptromancy> the     /path/path/./xprogram    will tell bash to execute "xprogram"
[07:40] <Catoptromancy> very useful in shells
[07:41] <Colossus73> when I run the python printer applet I get an error message saying: Unable to start the PrinterDriverSelection service
[07:42] <Colossus73> cupsd is running but I can't get its page in localhost:631
[07:42] <chch> thank you catoptromacy
[07:42] <Jester45> chch, also if its the path like ./directory/to/your/file then ./ is currentdirectory
[07:43] <Jester45> so a the defualt start of a terminal ./file would also mean /home/user/file
[07:43] <chch> and  ./configure
[07:47] <Catoptromancy>  the ./configure command checks libs before you compile, and should tell you what libs are needed to compile program
[07:48] <chch> ohhh, thanks,
[07:48] <Catoptromancy> apt-cache search for libs that may be missing
[07:49] <Catoptromancy> "apt-cache search"
[07:49] <Catoptromancy> heh
[07:49] <chch> ok
[10:50] <Catoptromancy> http://odamex.net/pastebin/?page=view&id=1184835033
[10:50] <Catoptromancy> alsa makes me sad
[10:51] <Catoptromancy> i have no idea what to do
[10:53] <Catoptromancy> dont really care about midi
[10:53] <Catoptromancy> but need sound
[12:08] <Catoptromancy> why is alsaplayer so hidden away
[12:08] <Catoptromancy> pretty good media player
[05:08] <gerro> was reading and found this quote "ext3 filesystems are "journaled" file-systems which do not need to be rechecked even after an unclean shutdown." however my computer does perform fsck at that time. How can I fix this so I can have faster boot?
[05:11] <gerro> !dualboot
[05:11] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[05:31] <asmith42a> I cannot for the life of me seem to print to a network copier. Any ideas?
[05:35] <gerro> dunno
[05:35] <gerro> google its model and ubuntu
[05:36] <asmith42a> That's a start. Thank you.
[05:37] <gerro> you using cups or samba to print to it?
[05:37] <asmith42a> Hold on...
[05:38] <asmith42a> It is a Sharp and I'm just using the system config
[05:38] <gerro> config for what?
[05:38] <asmith42a> Printing
[05:38] <asmith42a> Applications > Settings > Printing
[05:39] <gerro> ah i could never understand that
[05:40] <gerro> but is there a computer connected to the printer on the network and if so what os is it?
[05:41] <asmith42a> No, there is not. The copier is stand-alone.
[05:41] <asmith42a> It has networking built in.
[05:41] <asmith42a> With its own IP
[05:42] <asmith42a> I can see it on the network, the printer setup sees it, there is a driver for it, but when I try to print, nothing.
[05:42] <gerro> hmm
[05:43] <asmith42a> I can print to it with a Windows computer, so the copier is setup correctly.
[05:43] <asmith42a> I just found linuxprinting.org
[05:43] <gerro> you used a special driver under windows? do you have an equivalent linux driver?
[05:44] <gerro> yeah that is a good site for information.
[05:45] <asmith42a> Yes, there is a driver from the Sharp CD for Windows. There is a separate CD for Mac. I don't think there is one for Linux.
[05:45] <asmith42a> From Sharp, at least.
[05:49] <gerro> then find one or a method to flash your printer with more standard firmware
[05:50] <gerro> can you link mete t your printer?says abou to what that si
[05:50] <gerro> damn laptopntouchpadd!!
[05:51] <gerro> link me to what linux printing site says ok?
[05:52] <asmith42a> I didn't find anything on linuxprinting.
[05:52] <asmith42a> I looked at Sharp and it said that its stuff is CUPS compliant.
[05:52] <asmith42a> I'm trying a different manager.
[05:55] <asmith42a> brb-- I have to run downstairs to see if it printed.
[05:59] <asmith42a> That didn't work.
[06:03] <asmith42a> Wait...maybe it did. If so, it takes a REALLY long time for it to get a job down there.
[06:05] <asmith42a> No, it didn't. The job left the queue, but nothing was on the copier.
[06:09] <asmith42a> Oh, well. I don't have time to dink with this right now anyway. Thanks for your help, gerro.
[06:28] <gerro> asmith42a: sure no problem, I'm usually terrible with printers though
[06:28] <gerro> asmith42a: been wanting to setup cups daemon on one computer though so I can print things from my ds lite
[07:20] <jumi11> I got some problems with hard drive. After repairing it I logged into XFCE (xubuntu 7.04) and there is no panel, no menu on the desktop, just icons: home, trash, filesystem. I can right-click the desktop and set settings. Can this be repaired without reinstallation? The situation is the same for every user. I deleted .cache/ and .config/ but no difference.
[07:50] <vidd> jumi11, you must have used the live cd.... have you tried to reboot?
[08:05] <gerro> vidd: I had same problem as him before but I just created a shortcut for terminal and ran synaptic as root to install icewm-lite
[08:05] <gerro> I wasn't too worried since I was removing xfce on that install
[08:09] <gerro> hey how would I go about removing everything in xubuntu so that its like ubuntu-server cd yet still keep thunar and mousepad?
[08:09] <jumi11> I have rebooted few times
[08:09] <gerro> trying a few new window managers out
[08:10] <gerro> jumill: here I got an idea, pull up terminal ok
[08:10] <jumi11> removing xubuntu-desktop would be a way, I guess
[08:10] <gerro> jumill: right click create icon command xfce4-terminal
[08:10] <gerro> jumill: then type xfce4-panel
[08:11] <gerro> into that terminal
[08:11] <gerro> and any other thing your missing
[08:11] <gerro> what happened is something died and got saved that way
[08:12] <gerro> probably one of those mac ideas
[08:12] <jumi11> thanks, panel appeared
[08:12] <gerro> no prob
[08:12] <jumi11> will it come again next time?
[08:12] <gerro> jumill: if you do proper shutdown right now it will
[08:12] <vidd> jumi11, <ctrl><esc> should load the menu....
[08:13] <gerro> if for some reason it doesn't then try same method and see if you can fix it
[08:13] <jumi11> I rebooted the machine with 'save session'. waiting...
[08:15] <vidd> jumi11, i recommend that you go into each user, and delete the contents of .cache/session
[08:15] <gerro> what does Super + Super_L mean?
[08:15] <gerro> trying to set a key combo
[08:16] <vidd> gerro, Super is the M$ key, and Super_L is the M$ key on the left
[08:16] <gerro> vidd: I recommend he delete session option all together so this never happens again
[08:16] <gerro> I only have the left one
[08:16] <gerro> and my key has a penguin
[08:17] <vidd> if he deletes the entire .cache, it will rebuild it on its own (hopefully correctly
[08:17] <gerro> yeah but does he even need that feature?
[08:17] <gerro> what does it do?
[08:17] <gerro> besides be a pain in the ass loading up stuff without your approval
[08:17] <jumi11> it is back ok. just wandering why it happened to all users
[08:18] <gerro> dunno maybe it escalated to root lol
[08:19] <jumi11> the machine was off-line all the time :)
[08:20] <gerro> jumill: anyway hope it works out
[08:20] <gerro> too busy gutting my xubuntu, trying to get it going on 61mb ram
[08:22] <gerro> vidd: how do I assign the start key to do something
[08:22] <vidd> start key?
[08:22] <gerro> yeah
[08:22] <gerro> that what it called right
[08:24] <vidd> IDK
[08:25] <vidd> i think it's META
[08:25] <Jester45> the windows logo key?
[08:25] <TheSheep> Super
[08:26] <TheSheep> meta==alt on pc
[08:26] <gerro> well I pressed it for keyboard preferences and it says super + super_L
[08:26] <gerro> yet when I press it now it does not do anything
[08:27] <gerro> tried to get it to open xfce4-terminal
[08:28] <jumi11> thank you. bye
[08:31] <gerro> um sure no prob
[08:31] <gerro> crap he already left >,>
[08:33] <TheSheep> gerro: it's a little tricky, because it also acts like a shift key
[08:33] <TheSheep> gerro: if you press both keys now, it will work
[08:34] <TheSheep> gerro: I think you need to remove the Super+ by hand-editing the config file
[08:34] <gerro> both keys?
[08:34] <gerro> where is config file at?
[08:36] <gerro> vidd: hey what you were saying about .cache/session were you thinking of .config/xfce4-session?
[08:37] <vidd> gerro, no
[08:38] <gerro> TheSheep: nvm I'll just search all the text files
[08:38] <vidd> the .cache/sessions is that annoying thing that saves the state of the last saved session
[08:38] <gerro> vidd: so if I set a boot script to delete .cache/sessions I won't have to worry about it?
[08:39] <gerro> sounds like a crappy quick fix :/
[08:39] <vidd> yep...
[08:39] <vidd> or delete it once and reboot without the check in "save session
[08:39] <gerro> vidd: you using mac hardware?
[08:39] <vidd> no
[08:40] <gerro> oh just the keyboard then?
[08:40] <gerro> oh lol that reminds me
[08:40] <gerro> the old mouse/keyboard ports died on my one computer so now I need to get keyboard plugged into usb
[08:41] <gerro> vidd: been trying to use an on screen keyboard for it :/
[08:41] <gerro> autologin and all that set
[08:44] <godless> I just give up and ssh / remote desktop when the ports start going flaky :)
[08:45] <Jester45> gerro, where you the person on a a few hours ago that used a aquarium and a pump to make a custom water cooler
[08:45] <Jester45> hihi
[08:45] <gerro> Jester45: omfg I wish! that would be so tight :D
[08:46] <godless> I helped a friend setup an acquarium pump water cooler once
[08:46] <godless> worked great
[08:46] <godless> then one day one of the pipes broke :(
[08:46] <gerro> can you stick fish in there or would that be harmful for them?
[08:46] <gerro> algaea yeah might not be good
[08:47] <Jester45> it would be fine if it saided clean you had a guard to keep them from gettings sucked up and the water didnt get to hot
[08:47] <Jester45> http://vidd.us/jester/pic/S5030229.JPG im going to use that to cool the water
[08:47] <Jester45> and im going to get  a old fish pump to... pump the water
[08:48] <Jester45> i got some copper tubing i could use for the hotter water once it ges out of the case to cool it faster
[08:48] <Jester45> and i could pick up some rubber for the rest or to replace the copper
[08:58] <gerro> oh ok
[08:58] <gerro> Jester45: is that a pic of your computer?
[09:13] <BFTD> http://pastebin.ca/626571
[09:13] <BFTD> I get that error
[09:14] <gerro> http://download.gna.org/warzone/releases/2.0/warzone2100_2.0.7-0_i386.deb yay new game to try out :P
[09:18] <gerro> BFTD: when do you get that error though?
[09:18] <gerro> BFTD: you probably need gzip installed
[09:19] <BFTD> I get it when I do apt-get update
[09:19] <gerro> odd
[09:19] <gerro> try downloading gzip from ubuntu packages
[09:19] <gerro> install it with dpkg -i
[09:19] <gerro> and see if that fixes it
[09:20] <BFTD> its installed
[09:20] <BFTD> and updated to the newest version
[09:23] <Jester45> BFTD, what repo? compiz git
[09:24] <Jester45> an not gerro thats gonna be my heat spreader for water
[09:24] <Jester45> or something else maybe cooking oil
[09:26] <gerro> ok g2g
[09:29] <BFTD> http://pastebin.ca/626589
[09:29] <BFTD> that's a bigger problem
[09:30] <BFTD> how do I get X via ssh?
[09:30] <Jester45> !rdesktop
[09:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rdesktop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:30] <Jester45> !remotedesktop
[09:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about remotedesktop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:30] <Jester45> arrg
[09:30] <Jester45> !info rdesktop
[09:30] <ubotu> rdesktop: RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.0-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 119 kB, installed size 444 kB
[09:30] <Jester45> darn thats not it
[09:38] <vidd> is there a way to set up the panel to "close group"?
[09:42] <gabkdlly> I am making a custom live CD with uck (ubuntu customization kit, it is not in the repos). How do add files to my CD? for example, I want my vimrc. I am guessing UCK has given me a chrooted console to work with.
[09:47] <gabkdlly> ah, found it. ~/tmp/remaster-root/
[10:00] <mindframe_> how do i boot without the little xfce boot timer thing?
[10:04] <Jester45> do you mean the progress bar with Xubuntu in words and the logo?
[10:04] <mindframe_> yes
[10:04] <mindframe_> i just want to see the text that is produced
[10:06] <Jester45> edit your grub menu and remove the quite option
[10:06] <Jester45> i will get a location
[10:06] <Jester45> you will need to be root
[10:07] <Jester45> sudo texteditor /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:10] <crabgrass> is there any way to change thunar's window title? right now it says "file manager," but i dont like that.
[10:11] <TheSheep> crabgrass: yes, you can change it in the source and recompile
[10:12] <TheSheep> crabgrass: hmm... or change it in the translation
[10:12] <crabgrass> oh, translation, good idea
[10:12] <crabgrass> i can't find it in the source, though
[10:56] <Drew3b> Hi all,  When selecting 'Terminal" in 704, X crashes and it is time to log back in again !   Is there a fix?  Fresh
[11:24] <Pumpernickel> bug 91849 | Drew3b
[11:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91849 in xfce "i810 + xorg = xfce crashes when opening terminal" [Unknown,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91849
[11:31] <Drew3b> Pumpernickel: ty, I never would have found it.
[11:36] <panfist> hi, i installed xubuntu onto my laptop, then when i tried to install ati drivers according to this guide http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide and when I boot, x fails to start
[11:39] <Pumpernickel> Did you use the first method, or the second?
[11:40] <panfist> the first method
[11:40] <Pumpernickel> What's the error message?
[11:41] <Pumpernickel> (If it's more than one line, please use pastebin.)
[11:42] <panfist> it said it could not find a screen, but i looked in the xorg.conf and there was a screen in there, when i restored two backups that were made in the driver installation process, it still didnt work, then i did "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" so its back to normal now
[11:42] <panfist> i can try to reinstall the ati drivers to get the exact error output
[11:43] <Pumpernickel> They're still installed, unless you've removed them.  You'd just need to reconfigure and select 'fglrx' to use them.
[11:43] <panfist> ahh, right
[11:43] <panfist> i did not remove
[11:44] <panfist> i suppose if i run "sudo aticonfig --initial" i will get back to where i was
[11:44] <Pumpernickel> Better to use dpkg-reconfigure.
[11:45] <panfist> also, when i was booted into the command line interface when x failed to start, and i rebooted, i saw "Stopping GNOME Display Manager" does XFCE use that? or did the "aticonfig" command set me up for a GNOME ubuntu install...?
[11:47] <Pumpernickel> GDM is the default display manager.
[11:47] <Pumpernickel> It's not as Gnome-specific as it sounds.
[11:48] <panfist> ok i've run dpkg-reconfigure and selected fglrx...lets see what happens
[11:51] <panfist> i get what looks like some normal output followed by "Fatal Server Error: no screens found"
[12:05] <Pumpernickel> Assuming your system is completely up-to-date, you should file a bug report.  Make sure to attach your xorg config and logfile.
[12:05] <panfist> ok
[12:05] <Pumpernickel> If it's not up to date, you should update it and try again.