[12:25] <mhb> Riddell: thank you for the positive mid-term survey.
[12:26] <mhb> Riddell: that means - I don't know what you wrote about me, but you answered "yes" on the most important question of all :o)
[12:31] <odla> ScottK: no memory problems thus far ... it's now installing the upgrades
[12:32] <ScottK> OK.
[12:33] <odla> ScottK: do you know if there is some long that i should to ubuntu about this when it completes or fails?
[12:33] <odla> s long/log
[12:34] <ScottK> File bugs if there are problems.
[12:34] <ScottK> Also see the Tribe 3 announcement on kubuntu.org for a link to where you can leave comments.
[12:35] <odla> ScottK: ok ... thanks for the help
[12:35] <ScottK> no problem
[12:35] <odla> he he ... powermanager says the battery has been removed
[12:36] <odla> one other quick question ... why not include krita by default, sort of as a kde GIMP replacement?
[12:36] <ScottK> Dunno
[12:37] <ScottK> I'm currently trying to fix the upgrader bug, so I'm still on Feisty.
[01:00] <odla> crashed during clean up phase and bug comment added :)
[01:25] <lontra> the onscreen LCD for volume control is called kmilo right?
[01:27] <manchicken> Yeah, but it's an OSD
[01:27] <lontra> manchicken: he he ... right ;)
[01:43] <ryanakca> Riddell: since kwwii isn't here at the moment (I'll pass it by him on Monday when I get back from camping), the "Fixed" kdm Dialog.png are (pick the one you like best) available at http://blog.ryanak.ca/archives/35
[01:43] <ryanakca> (they're dark in the thumbnail, click on them to see fullsized, white background)
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[01:50] <mhb> ryanakca: ^^
[02:03] <DaSkreech> So I get Broadband today
[02:03] <DaSkreech> What shall I test it on?
[02:04] <DaSkreech> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/tribe-3/
[02:04] <DaSkreech>  :-)
[02:39] <xerosis> mhb: password is 'kubuntu'
[02:56] <mhb> xerosis: I thought it would be something like "kubuntu" or "ryan"
[03:49] <ryanakca> mhb: hehe, wow, I thought I had removed that, oh well
[03:49] <ryanakca> mhb: which one do you like
[03:50] <ryanakca> mhb: there, I managed to take it off
[03:55] <lontra> there isn't a kde-games meta package in gutsy?
[03:55] <lontra> why?
[03:55] <lontra> sorry ... nevermind
[03:59] <mhb> ryanakca: I like the idea of having a not-so-gradienty login "window"
[04:00] <ryanakca> mhb: when you put them into KDM, the transparency really kicks in...
[04:00] <mhb> ryanakca: I'd like them plainer, to be honest
[04:00] <ryanakca> mhb: they are just as gradiently. All I did was mess with the logo size, and the ration of logo to box
[04:00] <ryanakca> s/ration/ratio
[04:01] <ryanakca> it's the same box. The whole idea behind it was to fix the 'line' from the circular/elliptical gradient next to the last "u" in Kubuntu...
[04:01] <mhb> I got to talk to Kenneth about dropping some of those gradients.
[04:02] <mhb> ryanakca: I'm probably too tired to see the difference/judge the best one :o)
[04:02] <ryanakca> mhb: go right ahead. Or, download the .svg , drop them yourself, and give him your proposal
[04:03] <mhb> ryanakca: ah, neat, thanks
[04:54] <DasKreech> :-D
[05:00] <Tm_P> hrr
[05:03] <Tm_P> wheee
[05:21] <DasKreech> >_<
[05:22] <DasKreech> can't test compiz on the Live CD
[06:53] <nixternal> hrmm, it seems that Kubuntu won't be apart of the Ubuntu training stuff
[06:54] <DasKreech> Why not?
[06:56] <nixternal> don't know, but it is kind of upsetting
[06:58] <nixternal> I kind of get sick of the feeling of being put on a back burner..
[06:59] <nixternal> the talent that is here tends to get overlooked...just think, a majority of these people are responsible for creating what could be the most popular KDE distro among the community
[07:00] <nixternal> if you use KDE, and are into the whole free software thing, 3 OS's come to mind for offering top knotch KDE implementations, Kubuntu, openSUSE, and BSD
[07:00] <nixternal> granted KDE 4 is a PITA to get running on BSD ;p
[07:05] <DasKreech> :-)
[07:05] <DasKreech> Does MacOSX count?
[07:15] <nixternal> well, they just got my 2 cents
[07:15] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[07:16] <nixternal> gotta take the garbage out..brb
[07:16] <Hobbsee> heya nixternal!
[07:18] <DasKreech> !hobbsee
[07:18] <ubotu> I phear the stick so shhhhh
[07:19] <Hobbsee> hiya DasKreech
[07:20] <DasKreech> how areyou?
[07:29] <DasKreech> Still Not sold on dolphin
[07:31] <DasKreech> nixternal: Ping
[07:32] <nixternal> yo yo
[07:35] <DasKreech> How the heck does strigi work?
[07:35] <DasKreech> The Konqueror thing crashes it?
[07:36] <nixternal> I have no clue..I haven't used it in a while
[07:37] <DasKreech> The Dolphin here isn't the same as the Dolphin in KDE4?
[07:39] <nixternal> it is close
[07:39] <DasKreech> :-)
[07:40] <DasKreech> without the nice Line views
[10:09] <_StefanS_> morning
[10:52] <Riddell> ryanakca: could you commit directly to k-d-s?
[11:03] <tmske> Hi, When I try to open something with kaffeine X crahses, kaffeine does seem to play because I can hear some sound of the movie (like 1 or 2 seconds).  How can I find debug info about what causes the crash?
[11:06] <Riddell> run it through gdb?
[11:08] <tmske> I'm not familiar with gdb but I'm willing to try, I'll first read some tutorials
[11:11] <Tm_P> hmm, kaffeine with xine or gst?
[11:11] <Tm_P> I wonder if it could be xv problem
[11:12] <Tm_P> saw something about Crash happy xv somewhere, but Can't remember
[11:12] <tmske> Tm_P: kaffeine with xine I suppose, haven't changed it
[11:17] <tmske> well, X just crashed again, I was just playing a movie with mplayer, driver: xv but it's the first time x crashed while playing a movie with mplayer
[12:01] <Tonio_> hi
[12:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry for the 2 ftbfs uploads yesterday..... I was just so busy that I didn't upload the good packages, once again...
[12:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: katapult is fixes this time :)
[12:07] <Riddell> can't say I even noticed them :)
[12:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: how come you deleted session/kmix from k-d-s?
[01:07] <pgquiles_> are freetype and X.org in gutsy compiled with subpixel rendering?
[01:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: because it is useless
[01:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is no need of this for kmix to start
[01:08] <Tonio_> just add kmix to ksmserverrc is enough, same thing for katapult
[01:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm not even sure ksmserver considers session files that aren't in the user profile to be honnest
[01:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: does it start minimised?
[01:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep
[01:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: would be interesting to test this on a new profile btw :)
[01:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: but here it starts minimized, as does katapult
[01:10] <Riddell> the reason for the file was to make it minimised
[01:11] <Riddell> or hidden even, only in the system tray
[01:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: if it doesn't we'll notice this testing the next tribe, we can switch back then
[01:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I already tested removing the session entries for the french parliament, and didn't notice any regression on that point
[01:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: so on the very first start it wasn't minimized before this ?
[01:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I'll test and readd the file if I notice any regression
[01:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll test that toonight
[01:12] <Riddell> as far as I remember, it was done in hoary time
[01:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki, well it may have sense than the application state was in the session file
[01:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: but that's not required for katapult for example, that's why it would be nice testing this :)
[01:18] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yes, but, which one should I commit?
[01:18] <pgquiles_> Riddell: are freetype and X.org in gutsy compiled with subpixel rendering?
[01:23] <Riddell> ryanakca: I can't see much difference between the ones you have posted, but I would just remove the white background blur entirely
[01:24] <Riddell> ryanakca: not number 3, big logo nicer
[01:42] <kwwii> erm, posted? where?
[01:42] <ryanakca> Riddell: so, get rid of the white blur behind the logo?
[01:44] <kwwii> ryanakca: link?
[01:44] <ryanakca> http://blog.ryanak.ca/archives/35
[01:46] <kwwii> ryanakca: it would probably be easier to judge the logos if they were overlaid on the background
[01:47] <kwwii> as one would not notice the white gradient behind the logos so much
[01:47] <ryanakca> kwwii: *nods*
[01:49] <ryanakca> kwwii: sorry, I have to go to my "Life Guard"-ing lesson, erm. I'll try to do that this afternoon when I get back, before going camping, or, when I get back from camping (unless you want to do it meanwhile)
[01:49] <kwwii> no problem, I am online all day and night :-)
[01:49] <ryanakca> :)
[01:49] <kwwii> I might find some time on the weekend to play with things as well
[01:50] <ryanakca> well, late Sunday
[02:13] <kwwii> ryanakca: have a fun camping trip
[02:18] <mhb> kwwii: another one of my stupid, ugly ideas: how about making the KDM "foreground window" with less gloss? http://bayimg.com/naEecAAbc
[03:10] <hunger> mhb: I am for it... as long as that ugly user list vanishes;-)
[03:12] <mhb> hunger: removing user list was not what I intended to do, it's just the side effect of using a mockup without it
[03:12] <hunger> mhb: I assumed that, but I still had hope;-)
[03:25] <Riddell> mhb: how's restricted-manager progressing?
[03:37] <manchicken> Amarok seems to be having a hard time reading from postgres.
[03:40] <manchicken> Lots of updates this morning.
[03:45] <kwwii> mhb: probably a good idea, I think
[03:48] <hunger> yakuake is behaving really strange ever since I updated my xserver.
[03:49] <hunger> Does no longer stay properly in the foreground.
[03:49] <manchicken> Unfortunately, the newest version of amarok doesn't like some of its existing configs.
[03:50] <manchicken> I just had to create a new table for amarok and reset the scan directory.
[03:50] <manchicken> Simple... but annoying.
[03:57] <manchicken> kmail needs better threading or something.
[03:57] <manchicken> It's really annoying when the mail editor locks up during a mail sync.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> hurrah, commit access to debian qt kde svn...
[04:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[04:43] <Riddell> rebonjour
[04:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe :)
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hiya Tonio_!
[04:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: wanted to know if you have knowledge in dcop
[04:44] <Tonio_> hey Hobbsee :)
[04:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: just in case you might be able to help on the kdesudo part on that point
[04:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: we just miss one command line function to make it possible to replace the all kdesu, so we're not that far to be able to put it in gutsy
[04:45] <Riddell> excellent, I've been using it today for this kiosk work
[04:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: and as mhb is a bit alone on that part, I though any other developper miht be able to help :)
[04:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw, the ida is just to reproduce the same functionnality as kdesu as
[04:46] <Tonio_> unfortunatelly I can't help on that point....
[04:47] <mhb> I must admit that I'm pretty lousy, when it comes to DCOP and handling connections using ICEAUTHORITY and such
[04:47] <Tonio_> mhb: nobody's perfect :)
[04:47] <Tonio_> mhb: I though manchicken could eventually help on that point
[04:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you think you might have a bit of time to help on that point before it is too late to test and eventually consider a default inclusion on kubuntu ?
[04:54] <ryanakca> kwwii: back
[04:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's the issue?
[04:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: adding the command line option
[04:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: nonewdcop, which is used in  kcontrol, to let a kcm module go administrator
[04:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: that currently doesn't with kdesudo because of this missing command line option
[04:56] <Tonio_> mhb: can you describe the issue eventually, you might have more infos than me on that point :)
[04:57] <Riddell> hunger: what has it secured?
[04:57] <hunger> No idea:-)
[04:57] <Riddell> that's handy then
[04:58] <mhb> Riddell: the elevated application should reconnect to the user's dcop server
[04:58] <hunger> Actually the stuff looks pretty broken for ubuntu... Granting read access to X on /usr/X11R6 and stuff.
[04:58] <hunger> Riddell: Looks like it covers a couple of services only... and those are disabled by default.
[04:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: tricky stuff that, I'll try and take a look soon
[04:59] <mhb> Riddell: I was trying to copy the code over from the kdesu (actually from the stub, I think), but my code segfaults after mkstemp()...
[04:59] <Riddell> poke me if I forget
[04:59] <mhb> Riddell: you can check out my pointless attempt at http://mhb.ath.cx/tmp/dcop/ , not sure if it helps, though.
[05:00] <hunger> Riddell: Anyway, apparmor makes me feel more secure:-) I guess that is all that counts anyway.
[05:03] <kwwii> ryanakca: feel free to send me an email of anything, or just put it in if you feel happy with it, we can still work out the fine points later
[05:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: don't mind, I'll poke you ;) mhb knows I'm very capable of poking people everyday ;)
[05:14] <jjesse> mroning
[05:15] <nixternal> mornin'
[05:15] <jjesse> morning nixternal
[05:15] <nixternal> OK, I know Kubuntu has been adopted by some fairly large agencies..but the only one I can remember is the French government..who else has switched to Kubuntu or uses Kubuntu that is somewhat high profile?
[05:16] <nixternal> jjesse: that training stuff annoys me
[05:16] <jjesse> nixternal: yeah?  focusing only on ubuntu again
[05:16] <ryanakca> kwwii: ok
[05:17] <nixternal> they want it to be able to train corporate users, yet they have games, music and video stuff...silly
[05:17] <nixternal> jjesse: ya, and I don't remember some large success story about Ubuntu just yet besides everyone and there mother using it
[05:17] <Riddell> ..Dell
[05:17] <ryanakca> kwwii: mhb was talking about getting rid of the gradient in the box? I'm thinking maybe of something 'frosty' for it? No clue how one would draw that, I'm just starting to learn Inkscape...
[05:17] <nixternal> ya, but that was a biased deal if you ask me
[05:18] <Riddell> nixternal: Kubuntu users are Canary island schools and Georgia schools
[05:18] <nixternal> I am glad it happened of course
[05:18] <nixternal> Riddell: and Google? :)
[05:18] <Riddell> also there's a company in venzualia shifting 100,000 Kubuntu machines in some way which I forget
[05:18] <ryanakca> hmm... *wonders how he can convince his School board to switch from SUSE to Kubuntu*.
[05:18] <nixternal> ryanakca: I have been trying here
[05:18] <Riddell> nixternal: sure, they Ubuntu with whichever desktop the individual wants
[05:19] <nixternal> their Goobuntu is based off of Kubuntu supposedly
[05:19] <Riddell> "they Ubuntu with whichever desktop the individual wants"
[05:19] <nixternal> hehe
[05:20] <Riddell> if your school board is already running free software I don't see much point in trying to change their distro
[05:20] <ryanakca> nixternal: Umm... dunno if it counts, but the local theatre (where I volunteer) is considering setting up a desktop with Ubuntu Studio for video/audio editing, and having an Ubuntu Server that burns Audio recordings of the shows for sale within 10 minutes after the Concert...
[05:21] <nixternal> our courthouse uses Ubuntu in their kiosks...which is pretty good
[05:21] <ryanakca> Riddell: they aren't... yet. They plan on switching in the next couple years, at least that's what I hear from the school techie
[05:21] <nixternal> our school uses Novell because of the support conracts..so we have SLES and SLED as well
[05:25] <kwwii> ryanakca: yeah, I liked the idea of not using such a glassy look (and then we would not need so many boxes))
[05:29] <ryanakca> kwwii: would it be better to have a plain glass, with a bit of shine in a corner, and shading in the other, or frosted glass or ?
[05:30] <kwwii> I am guessing that putting some shininess in the corners or such would look nice
[05:30] <kwwii> in the end it is a matter of playing around until you're happy
[05:31] <Riddell> that pretty much sums up doing artwork :)
[05:31] <ryanakca> hehe :{
[05:31] <ryanakca> :)
[05:31] <kwwii> Riddell: it is just fun and games :p
[05:33] <kwwii> ok, I'm off for dinner...bbl
[05:38] <rbrunhuber> Hi, nice to see Tribe 3 released, although the part on kde 4 is extremely scarce on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Tribe3/Kubuntu#head-4035e326d1c2905c11a346a48f553f8d93e0c570
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why would one use a control.in file, instead fo a plain control file?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: please feel free to work with nixternal on it for tribe 4
[05:42] <Hobbsee> oh bleh.  isee.
[05:44] <Riddell> Hobbsee: only if you are insane, packages doing that are very likely to be rejected from NEW
[05:44] <Hobbsee> right
[05:45] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee, Riddell: I did not find any information myself... . Tried to use the kubuntu.org way for the first kde release but did not work.
[05:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: good thing it's to debian, not ubuntu
[05:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: besides, was i ever sane?
[05:51] <Riddell> ryanakca: what's up with it?
[06:30] <nixternal> so, what do we have on the plate for today?
[06:30] <Hobbsee> nixternal: fix bugs.
[06:31] <Hobbsee> nixternal: report all of the kdenetwork bugs upstream that are applicable, please.
[06:31] <nixternal> roger dodger
[06:31] <Hobbsee> good man :)
[06:37] <ryanakca> Riddell: what's up with what?
[06:43] <Riddell> I ment rbrunhuber
[06:44] <Riddell> nixternal: how was Phil R?
[06:46] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: Where is the how to use the kde4 packages documented?
[06:48] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: it isn't yet, I need someone to test and tell me they're ok
[06:49] <nixternal> Riddell: we are going to meet on Sunday..he was super busy yesterday
[06:50] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: This is a hen and egg problem then. How to test the packages if there is no how to use the packages?
[06:50] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: install kde4base, set the environement variables as for previous versions, run
[06:51] <rbrunhuber> Riddell : As documented on kubuntu.org for older versions?
[06:52] <rbrunhuber> Riddell : http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha1.php. I'll tried this with version from a few days ago but that did not work. Will make an upgrade and retry then. I'll keep you updaten.
[06:53] <rbrunhuber> *updated.
[06:57] <jjesse> afternoon
[07:04] <nixternal> jjesse: do you just come in here and say "morning", "afternoon", "night"? I have a window and a clock here ;p
[07:04] <jjesse> sometimes it seems like that
[07:04] <nixternal> haha
[07:04] <Hobbsee> nixternal: doesnt say that htey're right though..
[07:04] <jjesse> i come in say hi and want to do somehting else, but then i leave
[07:04] <nixternal> Hobbsee: depending on where you are at I guess
[07:04] <nixternal> hehe
[07:04] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:19] <jjesse> so now that the adept-gutsy spec is obsolete is there another spec to help track changes to adept for gutsy?
[07:32] <Riddell> kubuntu-gutsy-adept
[07:32] <Riddell> jjesse: ^^
[07:32] <jjesse> thanks Riddell
[07:32] <jjesse> Riddell: cleared w/ boss today trip to UDS boston
[07:33] <Riddell> jjesse: oh, groovy, although nothing is final on our side yet mind
[07:33] <Riddell> but they don't have a past record of refusing the people I've requested
[07:34] <jjesse> Riddell: i totally understand that, but needed to get vacation requests for 4th qtr yet
[07:34] <jjesse> already
[07:34] <Riddell> nasty
[07:34] <jjesse> yeah it is but when you are a consultant on multiple 4-8 week jobs, they get scheduled early
[07:40] <nixternal> man, I wish the government was that fast. I have been waiting almost 3 weeks to see if they approved me missing class for a week
[07:41] <jjesse> wow
[07:41] <nixternal> I keep checking the mail for my letter
[07:41] <nixternal> the last one they said no because it wasn't business related..so this time I went the "educational" route
[07:44] <jjesse_> is that for UDS Boston or just a class you missed?
[07:44] <nixternal> uds boston
[07:45] <nixternal> I can't miss class
[07:45] <jjesse_> you better make it :)
[07:45] <nixternal> hehe, it is sooooo close
[07:45] <nixternal> well not that close, but closer
[08:32] <jjesse_> slow friday eh?
[08:33] <Hobbsee> seems so.  saturday here
[08:33] <jjesse_> does that mean you have the new harry potter already?
[08:33] <Hobbsee> nope.  4.5 hours
[08:33] <jjesse_>  oh are you getting it today then?
[08:33] <Hobbsee> i actually havent read the last 6 recently, so probably wont get it tomorrow anyway
[08:34] <Hobbsee> as i'll want to read it frist
[08:34] <jjesse_> me wife and i jsut finished ready 6 again so we can't wait for UPS to show up tomorrow
[08:37] <Hobbsee> !jdong is <reply> Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[08:37] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:37] <jdong> lol
[08:37] <jdong> the bots not listening to you :D
[08:37] <Hobbsee> this bot hates me
[08:37] <jdong> !jdong is <reply> jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[08:37] <jdong> lol it's definitely not gonna listen to me
[08:38] <jjesse_> interesting UPS tracking shows the book is headig here today
[08:38] <jjesse_> now i can't wait to get home ;)
[08:38] <Hobbsee> !foo
[08:38] <ubotu> foo is bar
[08:38] <Hobbsee> !forget foo
[08:38] <ubotu> I'll forget that, Hobbsee
[08:38] <Hobbsee> !foo is bar
[08:38] <ubotu> But foo already means something else!
[08:38] <Hobbsee> !foo
[08:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about foo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:39] <Hobbsee> !no foo is bar
[08:39] <ubotu> I know nothing about foo yet, Hobbsee
[08:39] <Hobbsee> !foo is bar
[08:39] <Hobbsee> %whoami
[08:39] <ubotu> Hobbsee
[08:39] <Hobbsee> !jdong is <reply> Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[08:39] <Hobbsee> !jdongcrack is <reply> Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[08:39] <jdong> LOL
[08:39] <Hobbsee> !jdongcrack is <reply> Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[08:39] <Hobbsee> okay, so i do get an error for that
[08:40] <Hobbsee> !jdongcrack is Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[08:40] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[08:40] <Hobbsee> !jdong is Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[08:40] <mhb> we're getting a bit offtopic here, don't we?
[08:40] <mhb> aren't we?
[08:40] <jdong> mhb: it's for a good cause?
[08:40] <jdong> ;-)
[08:40] <Hobbsee> mhb: it was in -motu, but eagles is there...
[08:40] <jdong> !jdong
[08:40] <ubotu> jdong is Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[08:40] <Hobbsee> woo!
[08:40] <jdong> somewhat clobbered :)
[08:40] <Hobbsee> that works
[08:40] <jdong> actually that sums up my childhood..
[08:41] <Hobbsee> the bot is a bit stuffed, and has been since seveas took a break, i think
[08:45] <nixternal> Hobbsee: didn't you just go to sleep?
[08:45] <Hobbsee> nixternal: supposedly
[08:45] <nixternal> that is what I thought
[08:49] <nixternal> silly bot...I once had edit rights, now when I try it says it has been forwarded on ;p
[08:50] <Hobbsee> %editors
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[08:51] <Hobbsee> do i want to give you editor capabilities, though?
[08:51] <Hobbsee> %addeditor nixternal
[08:51] <ubotu> OK
[08:51] <Hobbsee> there you go
[08:51] <nixternal> thank you
[08:52] <nixternal> !nixternal
[08:52] <nixternal> ;p
[08:52] <ubotu> The anti-Microsoft, pro-freedom, KDE and Kubuntu loving mastah!
[08:52] <Hobbsee> ahhhh...silence....
[08:52] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:52] <nixternal> I wish they would quit switching up bots in chicago...every week it is someone new
[08:53] <Hobbsee> jdong: oh, the silence...
[08:53] <jdong> Hobbsee: lol
[08:53] <nixternal> hahahah
[08:53] <nixternal> I was wondering when you were going to quiet him
[08:53] <Hobbsee> far out...
[08:54] <nixternal> haha
[08:54] <nixternal> precaution
[08:54] <nixternal> I like that
[08:54] <Hobbsee> i prefer the term "pre emptive strike"
[08:54] <jdong> lol
[08:54] <jdong> I did the same with mr miniville in #uf
[08:54] <jdong> hmm... *checks if the ban is still there*
[08:54] <jdong> oops :)
[08:54] <nixternal> Hobbsee: just for you!
[08:54] <nixternal> !nixternal
[08:54] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[08:54] <Hobbsee> haha :)
[08:55] <nixternal> I put it back...it just doesn't have the ring unless that is it
[08:55] <Hobbsee> :P
[08:55] <nixternal> plus the chicago guys love abusing that one on me
[08:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:55] <jdong> LOL I love that
[08:55] <jdong> nixternal: oh have you played with SUA on Vista?
[08:56] <nixternal> I have never even played with Vista
[08:56] <nixternal> haha
[08:56] <nixternal> that is the great part about that
[08:56] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[08:58] <jjesse_> what do you mean SUA on Vista?
[08:59] <jdong> jjesse_: SUA is an implementation of POSIX/*NIX in the Vista Kernel
[08:59] <jjesse_> cool
[08:59] <jdong> jjesse_: it's basically Cygwin at the kernel level; so the NT kernel speaks POSIX in the same way it speaks Win32
[09:00] <jdong> it is actually IMO the best way right now to get *nix on Windows... you honestly don't feel it being horribly slow like cygwin
[09:00] <jdong> it's the only way I can live with vista :)
[09:01] <jjesse_> i'll have to try it, i have a bunch of computers to play w/ this week
[09:01] <jjesse_> Dell optiplex 745 w/ 4 gigs of RAM
[09:03] <jdong> cool
[09:03] <jdong> yeah, the odd thing is that SUA is implemented in the same level as Win32, so Vista effectively natively "speaks" POSIX :)
[09:04] <jdong> there's been good progress in making pkgsrc work on Vista, so you'd have access to basically the NetBSD Ports tree
[09:05] <jjesse_> interesting
[09:10] <TheInfinity> hello ... the bug with dist-upgrade in already known in alpha3?
[09:11] <TheInfinity> its an kde problem :)
[09:12] <Hobbsee> please file a bug, under upgrade-manager, including all logs
[09:12] <Hobbsee> i doubt it works yet anyway
[09:13] <TheInfinity> i had to make it via bash because on 7.04 i had no xorg - nv drivers dont work in 7.2
[09:13] <TheInfinity> its a mac book pro, 1 week old ...
[09:16] <TheInfinity> report it anyway?
[09:16] <Hobbsee> yes
[09:16] <Hobbsee> if it's no use, we can just reject it
[09:17] <TheInfinity> oh an adept crash D
[09:17] <TheInfinity> :D
[09:48] <nixternal> mmm, good lunch :)
[09:48] <nixternal> jjesse_: I went to Giordanos last night, that pizza place we went to when you were here..I had a couple of left over pieces..mmm mmm good!
[09:52] <jjesse_> oh yeah that place was great
[09:54] <nixternal> holy smokes...did anyone happen to catch the image on the planet? man that is going to cause a crapstorm
[09:54] <DaSkreech> Someone put an Image on the planet?
[09:54] <DaSkreech>  That a pretty big texture map
[09:54] <DaSkreech> Is it of a busH?
[09:55] <nixternal> heh, cartoon pr0n
[10:01] <jjesse_> wow just saw the image
[10:02] <nixternal> haha
[10:03] <nixternal> Microsoft stocks rise, and Google gets in trouble with the investors
[10:03] <nixternal> lovely
[10:05] <nixternal> has anyone downloaded music from iTunes and used it with Linux?
[10:05] <nixternal> there is 1 song I want, and it is only on iTunes
[10:08] <mhb> nixternal: so who's the next one to leave Kubuntu? :o)
[10:08] <mhb> or ubuntu
[10:09] <nixternal> who has left?
[10:09] <nixternal> ahh
[10:09] <nixternal> I get it
[10:09] <nixternal> hahaha
[10:09] <jjesse_> what do you mean?
[10:09] <nixternal> think of the last crap storm that happened from a blog post
[10:13] <mhb> planet is nothing compared to the stuff that happens in the czech linux community :o)
[10:20] <TheInfinity> mhb: what happens there?
[10:22] <mhb> TheInfinity: oh well, important people (in the translation teams) insulting ubuntu and wondering why nobody from U. cooperates with them
[10:23] <mhb> TheInfinity: then there are people who insult Ubuntu translations just because their opinion was not the opinion of the majority, etc.
[10:23] <TheInfinity> tz ...
[10:24] <TheInfinity> hmm ... okay with translations we never had problems (germany)
[10:25] <TheInfinity> seems like the usual conflict which is default in almost every linux project - some people like to get very famous and thing their opinion is the best in the world ...
[10:25] <mhb> TheInfinity: no personal attacks from other teams? Then you are a happy translation team :o)
[10:25] <TheInfinity> mhb: we had some time ago other problems - some guys who wanted to make money out of the kubuntu website
[10:26] <TheInfinity> making a shop around it - and so on
[10:28] <TheInfinity> hmm ...
[10:30] <mhb> TheInfinity: it's not a bad idea, but nobody should make profit out of it
[10:30] <TheInfinity> that was the problem ;)
[10:30] <TheInfinity> thats the reason why theres kubuntu.de and kubuntu-de.org ... kubuntu-de.org is the "official" site ...
[10:31] <TheInfinity> hmm ...
[10:31] <TheInfinity> is there a problem known with gutsy and networkmanager?
[10:32] <mhb> TheInfinity: well, I've used several wireless cards and all of them had some trouble with n-m :o)
[10:32] <mhb> TheInfinity: what do you mean?
[10:32] <lontra> TheInfinity: works here with ndiswrapper
[10:33] <TheInfinity> hmm ... eth0 kicks itself with dynamic ip :/
[10:33] <TheInfinity> my wireless lan does not work at all
[10:34] <lontra> shouldn't theme manager be in system settings -> appearance?
[10:39] <_StefanS_> evening
[10:42] <lontra> so there are plans to include kickoff officially in kubuntu in 7.10?
[10:45] <_StefanS_> lontra: I havent heard anything about it.. AFAIK its alot of patches to make it work
[11:29] <DaSkreech> And kickoff sucks?
[12:05] <lontra> minor bug ... but ... after upgrading to gutsy all my artwork changed except ksplash.  ksplash still uses the old default background.  is there a workaround for this so that i can get ksplash to use the up-to-date version that uses the gutsy background?
[12:07] <seele> "Cheney to be in charge during Bush colonoscopy"
[12:07] <seele> that, by the way, is a CNN headline
[12:07] <seele> lol
[12:07] <seele> "Now George, you got to loosen those buttcheeks"