[02:48] <johnc4510> beuno: greetings :)
[02:48] <beuno> hey johnc4510!
[02:49] <johnc4510> how's it going
[02:50] <beuno> good good, back home after a month and a half of travelling
[02:50] <beuno> so pretty happy  :D
[02:50] <johnc4510> beuno: after that long i would be toooooo!
[02:51] <johnc4510> your own bed is a wonderful thing
[02:51] <beuno> absolutely, best night ever yesterday!
[02:51] <johnc4510> hee hee
[02:51] <johnc4510> :)
[02:52] <beuno> johnc4510: how are you getting along with UWN?  I see you're putting a lot of great work into it
[02:53] <johnc4510> beuno: thanks, hope i'm not over reaching     but no problems 
[02:53] <boredandblogging> johnc4510: awesome work on the UWN
[02:53] <johnc4510> boredandblogging: ty  and howdy
[02:53] <beuno> johnc4510: that's the good thing about wikis, you can never over reach  :D
[02:53] <johnc4510> :)
[02:54] <johnc4510> beuno: ok great i'll just keep on truckin then
[02:54] <beuno> gf here
[02:54] <beuno> ba bye  :D
[02:54] <johnc4510> see ya
[02:55] <johnc4510> boredandblogging: was it you talking with the guy yesterday about the country problem? whether is was or not
[02:55] <boredandblogging> johnc4510: about catalan? yeah
[02:56] <johnc4510> can you tell me how this all works   are some uwm translated and some completely separate papers
[02:57] <boredandblogging> the ones that are translated put their links directly on the UWN, but I believe there is an European or South American LoCo does there own thing, but don't quote me on that
[02:58] <johnc4510> ok, i just wondered because what he was talking about wasn't in our edition   it confused me a little
[02:58] <johnc4510> :)
[02:58] <johnc4510> that happens with me some though
[02:58] <johnc4510> hee hee
[02:59] <boredandblogging> the reference to the catalan countries? yes it was
[02:59] <johnc4510> ok, thanks for the info :)
[06:06] <johnc4510> howdy
[06:08] <Burgundavia> hello johnc4510
[06:08] <Burgundavia> rocking work on the UWN btw
[06:12] <johnc4510> Burgundavia: thanks
[08:03] <flickerfly> A LUG guy said you guys might be interested in the weakness of Linux solutions in the NGO "market". Non-profits just don't get much attention, particularly small ones who could benefit hugely from the provision of good software tools. The greatest weakness is constituent relationship management (CRM), but just a decent fund-accounting software would be a good start. You can't even buy stuff for this
[08:05] <Burgundavia> flickerfly: there is actually the NGO in a box, done by the tactical tech people in Amsterdam
[08:06] <Burgundavia> it is based on Ubuntu, afaicr
[08:06] <flickerfly> do you have a link to that, it doesn't sound familiar
[08:07] <Flannel> http://tacticaltech.org/
[08:07] <Burgundavia> I am, in fact, wearing on their tshirts right now
[08:07] <Flannel> or, I guess http://ngoinabox.org/
[08:08] <flickerfly> thanks, I'll have to check that out
[08:08] <Burgundavia> the tactical tech people are cool people, actually
[08:20] <flickerfly> What they are recommending for NGOs to use for finances is GnuCash. While GnuCash is a fine personal accounting software, it doesn't have the features to address fund accounting like an NGO wants to do
[08:20] <flickerfly> I do like what they're trying to do.
[08:21] <flickerfly> I'll have to see if I can find a feed on them to get more familiar with their tech
[08:22] <flickerfly> I should re-visit CiviCRM.
[08:22] <flickerfly> That might be improved in the last few years and may fit.
[08:25] <Burgundavia> it is likely that money can be found to improve software for NGO use
[08:40] <flickerfly> cool, then all that needs to happen is find someone with the time. That's another thing lacking at NGOs. :-) Thanks for listening guys. I'm off.
[10:16] <IDF_Mike> me and some guys in the FL team were looking into making an ubuntu page and I just wanted to run it by you guys and see what you think
[10:18] <IDF_Mike> It's main purpose would basically an exhaustive list of links for useful ubuntu related sites
[10:18] <IDF_Mike> with a rating system and a place for users to submit links
[10:20] <IDF_Mike> I don't wanna keep rattling on here, but I just wanted to make sure something like this wasn't in the works and see if anyone thought it would be beneficial
[10:21] <IDF_Mike> we feel like sites are starting to spread out and that it's getting harder to find what you are looking for and a good index would help
[10:22] <IDF_Mike> any comments or suggestions, send them this way thanks, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3051979#post3051979
[11:32] <Burgundavia> loserboy: a list of links?
[11:32] <loserboy> well... yea  but a massive list
[11:33] <Burgundavia> massive lists have a serious problem; they are massive
[11:33] <Burgundavia> every study of humans and picking shows that beyond 7 items, we loose the ability to quickly parse
[11:34] <loserboy> lol well we are going put stress on having it well organized and indexed
[11:34] <loserboy> but I know what you mean
[11:34] <Burgundavia> I personally think it would be a better project to clean up a few good resources
[11:34] <loserboy> also rating systems, brief comments
[11:35] <Burgundavia> such as finishing and publishing the DIY stie
[11:35] <Burgundavia> or fixing some pages on teh Ubuntu Help wiki
[11:35] <loserboy> that's what I thought at first too, but it seems like such a huge project, and not everyone is going to cooperate
[11:35] <Burgundavia> you don';t need a lot of cooperation
[11:36] <Burgundavia> you need bit sized chunks
[11:36] <loserboy> alot of the wiki hasn't been updated since hoary
[11:36] <Burgundavia> {{sofixit}}
[11:36] <Burgundavia> and actually, lots has
[11:36] <loserboy> well, I spent a long time on the hardware compatibility
[11:36] <Burgundavia> the challenge is building a community around a resource, not producing another resource
[11:37] <Burgundavia> http://loll.sourceforge.net/
[11:37] <Burgundavia> that is a project similar to what you are envisioing
[11:37] <Burgundavia> it doesn't work. I know because a couple of people from my LUG run it
[11:38] <loserboy> I'll take a look in just a sec here
[11:39] <loserboy> it is similar to what we have in mind, is it still updated?
[11:40] <Burgundavia> nope
[11:40] <Burgundavia> it died because it really isn't a useful resource
[11:40] <Burgundavia> not in the Google area
[11:41] <Burgundavia> what drivers users to sites is content, lots of good content
[11:41] <Burgundavia> one place that need more cool content is the Fridge
[11:41] <Burgundavia> and the UWN
[11:42] <Burgundavia> one idea might be a "cool Ubuntu device of the day" post, about somebody running Ubuntu on something cool
[11:42] <loserboy> yea I see what you're saying
[11:43] <Burgundavia> there are no end of existing projects that badly need people to write cool things for them
[11:44] <loserboy> I just see so many people in the forums that can't find what they are looking for through search functions in the forum or from google
[11:44] <loserboy> and I admit many times it's their fault
[11:44] <Burgundavia> then choose a resouce and improve that
[11:45] <Burgundavia> if you have good content, it will float its way up the list in google
[11:46] <loserboy> well, I'm glad I talked to you and I'll run everything you said by the guys
[11:46] <loserboy> I gotta say I still think we could make it work
[11:48] <loserboy> working on the wiki was actually my first thought before this idea, it's depressing just to think about it
[11:48] <loserboy> (working on the wiki that is)
[11:48] <Burgundavia> the wiki is a large resource with lots of disorder
[11:49] <loserboy> do you know of anyone that has a game plan for reorganizing it
[11:49] <Burgundavia> not really
[11:52] <loserboy> so you really feel like it's a waste to have a links site?
[11:53] <Burgundavia> a few carefully selected links, maybe as part of a story on a existing resource
[11:53] <Burgundavia> link maybe a story on the Fridge, with a few links abougt a specific story
[11:54] <Burgundavia> then you get a few high quality links
[11:54] <loserboy> sort of a news style
[11:54] <loserboy> or highlights
[11:54] <Burgundavia> basically, yes
[11:55] <Burgundavia> when something like Ubuntu Mobile is announced, a short news roundup
[11:56] <loserboy> is that any real use to anyone, I've seen sites that cover this already
[11:56] <Burgundavia> yes, it is
[11:59] <loserboy> are you part of the marketing team, i'm only asking so I can say where I got the feedback from
[11:59] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:59] <Burgundavia> teh marketing team is anybody who wants to market
[11:59] <loserboy> lol oh ok, is there no official status?
[12:00] <Burgundavia> there is, but people tend to see the "Marketing Team" as this entity