[12:15] <elektranox> has the copyright file to include the realname or is a pseudonym ok, too?
[12:20] <Jazzva> elektranox: I think I read somewhere that it has to be realname, but I'm not sure...
[12:20] <elektranox> and what is if the author doesn't want to say it -_-
[12:23] <Jazzva> elektranox: Dunno :/...
[12:41] <DktrKranz> could you please have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6116 ? thank you.
[12:49] <blueCommand> DktrKranz, I think it's against policy to distribute .jar files containing pre-compiled executables, but don't take my word for it.
[12:49] <blueCommand> I'm thinking about hstart.exe
[12:51] <DktrKranz> I'm not sure, since some extensions already into archives contains such files
[12:51] <DktrKranz> firefox-webdeveloper is one of them
[12:51] <DktrKranz> anyway, thanks for the hint, I'll look at it
[12:52] <Amaranth> if you can compile it cool, otherwise i guess that's multiverse stuff
[12:54] <apachelogger> ScottK: ping
[12:54] <blueCommand> non-ScottK pong
[12:55] <apachelogger> blueCommand: indeed, that was the plan ^_^
[12:56] <blueCommand> Bah
[12:56] <blueCommand> But now you know that your connection works!
[12:57] <apachelogger> blueCommand: yeah, thanks for that :D
[12:57] <blueCommand> Anytime!
[02:13] <rootvzla> hi elkbuntu 
[02:42] <rootvzla> hi leonel 
[02:43] <leonel> e
[02:43] <leonel> ea
[02:45] <rootvzla> como anda todo leonel ?
[02:45] <ajmitch> sigh, more tzdata updates to do
[03:28] <Ademan> anyone know if ant-contrib is the ant-optional package?
[03:51] <ryanakca> hmm. Any sbuilders have any idea what I can do to fix http://pastebin.ca/626606?
[04:06] <Jazzva> Any reviewer who could take a quick look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6117 ? :)
[04:40] <xtknight> what is meant by "Expert" here?  https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/test/512
[04:41] <Amaranth> expert install
[04:41] <xtknight> i dont see the option for that in the cd boot
[04:43] <xtknight> do you pass "expert" on the kernel command line?
[04:43] <xtknight> (aware that tribe 3 is already out but just for future reference)
[04:43] <minghua> xtknight: It's probably only in alternative CD.
[04:43] <xtknight> minghua, yea that's what im using but i dont see the option there
[04:44] <xtknight> minghua, text mode install maybe?
[04:44] <xtknight> i mean command line system install*
[04:44] <xtknight> oh i see it
[04:44] <xtknight> you press F6
[04:44] <Amaranth> xtknight: you pass 'expert' as a boot option
[04:44] <xtknight> that's weird i've never used that before and never knew it even exited
[04:45] <minghua> Well, I know Debian's installer has expert and expertgui.  Not sure about Ubuntu.
[04:51] <Flannel> xtknight: it was advertised up until edgy, as an F command
[04:52] <xtknight> i notice a lot of requests for syncs from debian.  can anyone do that or only those who are privileged?
[04:53] <xtknight> (in launchpad, that is)
[04:58] <StevenK> Only ubuntu-archive can.
[05:04] <minghua> (and before ubuntu-archive people act on them, there is an ACK from a ubuntu-core-dev or ubuntu-dev needed, for main and universe packages, respectively.)
[05:37] <rootvzla> epale effie_jayx 
[05:37] <rootvzla> hola grunch
[05:38] <[GruncH] > hi rootvzla :)
[05:40] <shin> Hi. 
[05:40] <shin> Anybody in here?
[05:41] <shin> ?
[05:41] <crimsun> do you have a legitimate question?
[05:41] <shin> No. Sorry. Just I wish to check that my IRC works or not. 
[05:42] <shin> This is the first time to use this app. Sorry for disturbing you. 
[06:05] <crimsun> TheMuso_: do you rely on gdm's audio notification being audible before attempting to log in?
[06:06] <TheMuso_> crimsun: Not at all.
[06:06] <TheMuso_> crimsun: I can see the login appear.
[06:06] <crimsun> TheMuso_: ok, thanks.  I'm considering the a11y issue that mjg59 raised regarding the audio notification being muted and thus, inaudible.
[06:07] <levander> Why is svk in Gutsy at revision 1.08, even though in Debian unstable it's at 2.01?
[06:07] <TheMuso_> crimsun: Just because I don't, doesn't mean others don't either. I am sure many a blind Ubuntu user finds it useful.
[06:07] <crimsun> TheMuso_: right, I need to ask on an a11y mailing list.
[06:08] <TheMuso> crimsun: I can answer it for you already. I am sure people will object to it going away.
[06:08] <TheMuso> I don't care, but if I know the community as well as I do, they will raise their objections very strongly.
[06:09] <TheMuso> Seeing Ubuntu drop speakup is one good example of this.
[06:09] <ajmitch> levander: someone has to go to the effort of remerging it
[06:09] <TheMuso> There was an absolute uproar.
[06:09] <crimsun> TheMuso: yes, I'm more interested in finding a workaround at this point.  It doesn't look like my original approach is workable WRT a11y.
[06:09] <TheMuso> crimsun: Right.
[06:10] <TheMuso> crimsun: Sorry, but I thought I'd save you the bother of asking a community that I already know the answer for.
[06:10] <TheMuso> People don't even think we are doing enough for the live CD as it is.
[06:12] <TheMuso> Hey RAOF.
[06:12] <Amaranth> crimsun: i'm not blind and i find that very useful
[06:13] <crimsun> Amaranth: right, I know there are people who want both sides ("too loud during meeting" vs. "require a11y hint")
[06:14] <Amaranth> wait, having the sound muted on boot wasn't accidental?
[06:14] <crimsun> it's not muted on boot currently (nor has it been in any Ubuntu release)
[06:15] <crimsun> granted, the current method is _extremely_ hackish, because not all drivers use Master/PCM/Wave*
[06:29] <evand> Does one have to bump the ubuntu revision when correcting a FTBFS?
[06:35] <levander> ajmitch: Does that svk package have to be merged before the DebianImportFreeze?  What's the deadline for getting svk merged so it gets in the Gutsy release?
[06:36] <levander> I wonder if there was some problem merging svk because it was not auto-imported from Debian unstable?
[06:39] <Ademan> has ant-contrib been packaged?
[06:40] <Ademan> (http://ant-contrib.sourceforge.net/)
[07:11] <RAOF> TheMuso: Hey
[08:47] <Ademan> has ant-contrib been packaged? (http://ant-contrib.sourceforge.net/)
[08:50] <xtknight> doesn't appear to be, according to "apt-cache search" with all official repos enabled on Ubuntu Feisty
[08:51] <minghua> Well, you may want to search in gutsy.  And REVU as well.
[08:52] <xtknight> not seeing it in Gutsy
[08:52] <xtknight> not sure about REVU
[09:15] <joejaxx> i should start a Community of non sleepers in Antarctica
[09:15] <joejaxx> lol
[09:16] <joejaxx> because everywhere i go people sleep and no one is awake
[09:16] <Burgundavia> joejaxx: if you can feed me, pay me and give me a good access, I woudl join you
[09:16] <joejaxx> Burgundavia: lol
[09:16] <joejaxx> :)
[09:17] <joejaxx> i need to catch up on three weeks worth of emails :(
[09:17] <harrisony> quick question im reading through the packaging guide and have pbuilder and CDBS sounds easy but i still dont get it :P
[09:18] <joejaxx> i would help but i do not use cdbs :(
[09:18] <harrisony> joejaxx, how do you do them
[09:19] <Burgundavia> minghua: given the cost of shipping anything down there...
[09:19] <joejaxx> harrisony: the good old fashion way
[09:19] <joejaxx> Burgundavia: Icee's for everyone lol
[09:19] <harrisony> joejaxx, which is
[09:19] <joejaxx> they do not show you the non-CDBS way on the packaging guide?
[09:20] <minghua> They do.  I think they even show the non-debhelper way.
[09:20] <joejaxx> http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[09:20] <joejaxx> harrisony: ^
[09:20] <joejaxx> minghua: oh
[09:20] <joejaxx> harrisony: why not do the non-CDBS way if it is in the guide? :P
[09:21] <harrisony> joejaxx, i was told cddb was dead easy 
[09:21] <joejaxx> oh
[09:21] <joejaxx> i do not know
[09:21] <joejaxx> for me it is just easier to build a rules file lol
[09:21] <joejaxx> i guess YMMV
[09:24] <dholbach> good morning
[09:26] <harrisony> morning
[09:38] <Ademan> xtknight: heh, sorry i was afk, when people say Ademan though it usually makes me come running
[09:38] <xtknight> lol ill keep that in mind
[09:38] <Ademan> xtknight: i was wondering about the ant-optional package, i don't know what it might contain if not ant-contrib
[09:38] <xtknight> ya it has ant-optional
[09:38] <xtknight> let me check
[09:39] <xtknight> dpkg -L ant-optional | grep -i contrib
[09:39] <xtknight> nothing there
[09:39] <xtknight> nothing here either 
[09:39] <xtknight> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=ant-contrib&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=gutsy&arch=i386
[09:43] <harrisony> yay it failed!, stupid gpg key
[09:46] <xtknight> sounds like my 10th ubuntu package also lol
[09:51] <harrisony> question , when i do dh_make there are all these ex files in /debian/ do i need them?
[10:18] <man-di> hello all
[10:21] <dholbach> hey man-di
[10:27] <man-di> StevenK: about sear: I still wait for upstream, but I started to look into solving the guichan issue myself too
[10:28] <man-di> StevenK: what next sear will need is guichan in gutsy
[10:28] <man-di> StevenK: I saw it was removed
[10:44] <man-di> is the person here who uploaded jedit to REVU?
[10:51] <dholbach> man-di: it seems to be https://launchpad.net/~zic
[10:52] <dholbach> I search on http://launchpad.net/people - but it seems he's not on IRC atm
[10:52] <man-di> after shortly looking into it I think about writing a book for the comments on the package...
[10:52] <man-di> dholbach: thanks
[10:53] <dholbach> man-di: a book?
[10:54] <man-di> dholbach: as in "some place with much space for text"
[10:54] <dholbach> that much wrong? :-/
[10:54] <man-di> yes
[10:55] <dholbach> java packaging seems to be tricky to get it right
[10:55] <man-di> it is a bit tricky
[10:56] <man-di> and the java policy is a bit outdated
[10:56] <man-di> so people get confused an what to do
[10:56] <man-di> and noone took the time yet to update it or write some documentation for best practices
[10:57] <dholbach> I think it might make sense to just collect the comments you make on some wiki page and go from there
[11:00] <man-di> dholbach: there are lots of bug reports in the Debian BTS about missing/wrong stuff
[11:00] <dholbach> maybe it'd make sense to call for all interested contributors and walk that team through bug reports, reviewed packages, etc to aggregate information and udpate documentation where needed
[11:01] <man-di> dholbach: the plan was to sit together with some people (also from other distros) and find a common base and implement that. This way Linux in general gets a consistent platform for Java devs and users
[11:01] <dholbach> that'd be great
[11:01] <man-di> that meeting is currently being organized
[11:01] <man-di> also with people from SUN involved
[11:02] <man-di> and as SUN people are especially interested in Debian/Ubuntu they want to help with the policy too
[11:02] <dholbach> super
[11:02] <man-di> but this takes time
[11:03] <dholbach> right, but also, it might help to write something like a documentation roadmap specification, where you list examples, bugs reports, etc that you know about and that contain valuable information - so contributors can help with fixing docs or at least make sure you have all the bits in the right place
[11:03] <dholbach> I don't know how well that works out, but it might be a good start
[11:03] <man-di> that is one reason why noone updated existing stuff, as it will change again anyway
[11:04] <dholbach> hrm, ok
[11:04] <man-di> dholbach: now I only need to find someone who likes to write such a documentation. I'm not a good writer but I can give the ideas
[11:05] <dholbach> as soon as you have the necessary bits and pieces in place, and general outline of what's needed, I think that a call for contributors on some mailing lists would help
[11:09] <Q-FUNK> would anybody be available to sponsor and review?
[11:10] <dholbach> Q-FUNK: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess - the queue gets reviewed very quickly nowadays
[11:11] <Q-FUNK> ok, it seems I fist need to be added to the keyring
[11:12] <man-di> dholbach: I should perhaps try to get some of people of MOTU Java Growers active
[11:12] <Q-FUNK> ah. wait, already uploaded, so it should be recognized.
[11:12] <jussi01> Q-FUNK: ajmitch should be up, he can help with that
[11:12] <dholbach> Q-FUNK: keyring? you just need to file a bug with a debdiff or a package and subscribe ubuntu-{universe,main}-sponsors
[11:13] <dholbach> man-di: that'd be great
[11:15] <Q-FUNK> dholbach: new package
[11:15] <dholbach> Q-FUNK: is it in debian already?
[11:15] <coNP> what do you think about hacking REVU's lintian?
[11:16] <Q-FUNK> dholbach: it isn't
[11:16] <dholbach> Q-FUNK: ok
[11:16] <coNP> it does not know about our distributions on the one hand and warns about NMUs (that is normal in Ubuntu AFAIK)
[11:16] <dholbach> Q-FUNK: it's ok if you link to that package in a bug that's tagged as 'needs-packaging
[11:16] <dholbach> the bug lists marked on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews are triaged regularly
[11:17] <Q-FUNK> it's already packaged
[11:17] <dholbach> Q-FUNK: I understand - but bugs that are tagged as 'needs-packaging' and are marked as 'fix committed' will get reviewed
[11:17] <dholbach> Q-FUNK: but you can upload to REVU too
[11:17] <dholbach> we're gradually changing the process at the moment
[11:17] <Q-FUNK> ah, ok
[11:17] <dholbach> sorry for the inconvenience of having to pick one
[11:17] <Q-FUNK> :)
[11:18] <Q-FUNK> http://q-funk.iki.fi/debian/pool/m/mkelfimage/mkelfimage_2.7-0ubuntu1.dsc
[11:18] <ogra> Q-FUNK, whats that ? i'D rather see us fixing the mknbi package
[11:19] <Q-FUNK> ogra: see my mail.  mkbi cannot be fixed, because it uses bios calls, which linuxbios doesn't support.
[11:19] <ogra> ah
[11:20] <ogra> hmm
[11:20] <Q-FUNK> ->ltsp :)
[11:20] <ogra> well that tool needs to be good enough to go to main ...
[11:20] <ogra> it wont help anything in universe for the thin clients 
[11:20] <ogra> (ltsp-build-client doesnt use any universe stuff)
[11:21] <Q-FUNK> yes, it would
[11:21] <Q-FUNK> and that's a new procedure for me
[11:21] <Q-FUNK> ditto for -amd, mind you
[12:38] <Ademan> it's not preffered to specify the entire dependency tree is it (for build-deps)
[12:52] <Q-FUNK> there, uploaded to revu
[12:53] <geser> Ademan: it's sufficient to specify the direct build-depends
[01:22] <Q-FUNK> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6120
[01:32] <geser> Q-FUNK: what's in linux-i386/convert.bin.c?
[01:32] <geser> it looks like a binary blob
[01:38] <DktrKranz> could you please have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6116 ? there's a .jar file too, I'm not sure this is redistributable or not
[01:41] <ScottK> DktrKranz: I don't have time just now, but I'd suggest you put your question about the .jar file in a comment on REVU, so all reviewers will be aware of it.
[01:42] <DktrKranz> I'll do, thanks
[01:42] <geser> DktrKranz: I doubt that the jar file is the preferred format for modifications
[01:43] <Q-FUNK> geser: I'm guessing that's the ELF header.
[01:43] <DktrKranz> I fear so, but I looked at some other extension and they shipped such file too
[01:44] <Q-FUNK> geser: they released everything under the GPL and have no mention of binary blob, so I'd asusme it's kosher.
[01:44] <DktrKranz> I'm not sure if they package it at runtime, though
[01:47] <Q-FUNK> generally, upstream has poor changelogs and bad makefiles, which was a pain to work around
[01:47] <geser> Q-FUNK: there exist kernel drivers under GPL which contain(ed) binary blobs in .h files, so I wouldn't take it for granted that everything is ok
[01:47] <Q-FUNK> they also forgot to clean their tree before releasing
[01:49] <Q-FUNK> I really wonder why they use such a complex makefile with makefile.conf and a separate cofig dir, for such a small package.
[01:52] <DarkSun88> Salve
[01:53] <Q-FUNK> geser: fair enough.  if everyone thinks that this should go to restericted, I'll change it
[01:55] <geser> Q-FUNK: ask an archive admin about his opinion in this files
[01:57] <geser> Q-FUNK: reading the Makefile it looks like it's generated file
[02:01] <geser> Q-FUNK: so it should be ok, but it would be better if the files a regnerated during build
[02:02] <Q-FUNK> geser: indeed so, but upsteam's build system sucks completely, not juston this particular point
[02:05] <xxxxx1> hello all
[02:16] <xxxxx1> hello Hobbsee 
[02:17] <Hobbsee> heya xxxxx1 
[02:29] <CrummyGummy> Hi all, I've got a configure script that needs an argument. Where in the rules file do I put this? I'm using cdbs.
[02:32] <geser> CrummyGummy: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml#id2528414
[02:35] <Kmos> can someone add package wine-doors to ubuntu ?
[02:35] <Kmos> 0.1 *final* is out
[02:36] <CrummyGummy> geser, Thanks
[02:37] <Hobbsee> Kmos: when you package it, sure.
[02:38] <Kmos> :)
[02:39] <Kmos> geser: can you archive this one? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5723
[02:41] <Hobbsee> Kmos: archived
[02:41] <Kmos> thanks
[02:41] <Kmos> http://www.wine-doors.org/releases/wine-doors_0.1-1_all.deb
[02:42] <Kmos> not on debian yet
[02:46] <geser> Kmos: you need the source package, the deb alone doesn't help
[02:46] <LucidFox> "Launchpad is offline"?
[02:46] <Kmos> geser: yeah, i know
[02:46] <Kmos> =)
[02:46] <Kmos> just to show there is already a deb
[02:46] <geser> LucidFox: try reloading
[02:48] <siretart> emacs22 now in gutsy! yay! :)
[02:49] <siretart> btw, since we have a working emacs lp group (https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-elisp/), do we have a similar group for vim?
[02:53] <fernando> moin all
[03:25] <xxxxx1> hello fernando 
[03:26] <fernando> hi xxxxx1 
[03:26] <xxxxx1> fernando, libgnomedb3 is in archive ;)
[03:26] <fernando> xxxxx1, great work! congrats
[03:26] <fernando> building mergeant now
[03:26] <xxxxx1> rocks
[03:52] <xxxxx1> hello dholbach 
[03:52] <dholbach> re
[03:52] <dholbach> hi xxxxx1
[04:07] <zul> hi dholbach 
[04:07] <dholbach> hey zul
[04:07] <zul> how is it going?
[04:07] <dholbach> good good - how are you?
[04:07] <tuxmaniac> dholbach, hello
[04:07] <zul> good no complaints so far
[04:07] <dholbach> hey tuxmaniac
[04:08] <tuxmaniac> dholbach, thanks for the ACks for the Science packages :-)
[04:08] <dholbach> no problem :)
[04:11] <Hobbsee> oh noes, it's dholbach!
[04:12] <Lutin> anyone having issues with sound card not being detected in gutsy, but ok in feisty ?
[04:22] <Q-FUNK> geser: can you add your earlier comments to the package's revu to help the whole motu crew reach a decision?
[04:22] <StevenK> Ha. TheMuso tells lies.
[04:23] <TheMuso> StevenK: ?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> StevenK: indeed he does.  STONE HIM!!!
[04:23] <Hobbsee> ahem.
[04:23] <StevenK> TheMuso: "I won't be back on tonight." Technically, you're right, but you are...
[04:24] <Q-FUNK> Hobbsee: you're welcome to review it too: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6120
[04:24] <TheMuso> StevenK: I said I'd make an exception.
[04:24] <TheMuso> For you folks.
[04:24] <StevenK> Ah ha
[04:25] <TheMuso> As it is, I'm not on for long.
[05:03] <blueCmd> Are there any statistics of how much space main + restricted + universe + multiverse take up?
[05:03] <blueCmd> Monthly or so
[05:07] <\sh> blueCmd: space?
[05:07] <\sh> blueCmd: diskspace?
[05:07] <blueCmd> Yes
[05:08] <blueCmd> I'm asking because I'm wondering how many DVDs it would take to fit it all in one install serie
[05:08] <\sh> feisty: 25G     total (386+amd64+all).debs
[05:09] <\sh> (dapper+edgy+feisty)*(i386+amd64+all).debs == 70G
[05:10] <\sh> not much diskspace...
[05:12] <blueCmd> \sh, thanks!
[05:13] <cbx33> hey guys
[05:13] <cbx33> looking at the hello source
[05:13] <cbx33> and the dpkg source
[05:14] <cbx33> i'm a little confued
[05:14] <cbx33> in the rules file
[05:14] <cbx33> i can see the make being run
[05:14] <cbx33> but where is the make install?
[05:15] <coNP> cbx33: there is no make install
[05:15] <cbx33> oh
[05:15] <cbx33> i see
[05:15] <cbx33> nevermind then
[05:15] <cbx33> ;)
[05:15] <cbx33> that's what confused me
[05:15] <xtknight>         $(MAKE) INSTALL_PROGRAM="$(INSTALL_PROGRAM)" \
[05:15] <xtknight>                 prefix=$$(pwd)/debian/tmp/usr install
[05:15] <xtknight> what's that?
[05:15] <coNP> cbx33: in fact "binary-arch"  is that
[05:16] <cbx33> yeh
[05:16] <cbx33> though so
[05:16] <xtknight> (from "hello") it kinda looks like make install
[05:16] <cbx33> what is $(MAKE)
[05:16] <cbx33> make?
[05:16] <ivoks> shell variable
[05:16] <cbx33> tought so
[05:20] <blueCmd> Who is postmaster for ubuntu-motu@ists.ubuntu.com ?
[05:22] <\sh> blueCmd: mailman@lists.ubuntu.com
[05:23] <blueCmd> Since I have a "Waiting for moderator approval" mesasge queued
[05:23] <blueCmd> And wanted to poke that person
[05:23] <\sh> blueCmd: just wait
[05:23] <coNP> blueCmd: have a look at the web interface
[05:24] <\sh> blueCmd: most probably that the list maintainer itself didn't approve it for now...it will be approved in time
[05:24] <blueCmd> Good :)
[05:33] <leonel> Good day everyone !
[05:52] <cbx33> hey peeps - take this scenario
[05:52] <cbx33> I have a source, with a Makefile
[05:52] <cbx33> how would I go about splitting it up into 3 binary packages
[05:53] <cbx33> would I just use the make for making, and then install files seperately with dh_install?
[05:53] <geser> create three package stanzas in debian/control
[05:53] <cbx33> yeh I know that bit
[05:53] <cbx33> it's the how to pull out seperate sections
[05:53] <geser> and create <pkg>.install> files
[05:53] <cbx33> really?
[05:53] <cbx33> that's the real way to do it?
[05:54] <geser> the debs will get build from debian/<pkg>
[05:54] <geser> so you need to split the files to the right pkg
[05:54] <cbx33> cooool - /me is so proud of himself.  w000h000
[05:54] <cbx33> i knew that
[05:54] <cbx33> just checking
[05:54] <geser> and the easiest way would be through <pkg>.install files
[05:54] <cbx33> so even if the source had a make install
[05:54] <cbx33> I wouldn't use it
[05:55] <geser> let "make install" install it to debian/tmp/ and move the files from there to the right package
[05:56] <cbx33> hmmm
[05:56] <cbx33> geser, mind if i ask a few more questions?
[05:57] <cbx33> so would i make install with a prefix?
[05:57] <geser> cbx33: see the dh_install manpage, section EXAMPLES. there is a small example how to split the files into two packages
[05:57] <cbx33> ahhh ok
[05:58] <geser> you can also look how other packages do it
[05:59] <cbx33> ok
[05:59] <cbx33> i think i get it
[06:01] <cbx33> know of any small ones that do that kinda thing?
[06:01] <cbx33> that i can use as an example?
[06:02] <geser> sorry, not of top of my head
[06:02] <cbx33> ok
[06:02] <cbx33> ok np
[06:03] <geser> library should be good examples, as they split the library and the headers
[06:07] <AndyP> does MoM have a problem with .po files or something? i've seen a few instances where .po files have been said to conflict and get split into .DEBIAN and .UBUNTU but they don't differ at all
[06:09] <cbx33> geser, so....when i run the make install
[06:09] <cbx33> should i prefix it?
[06:09] <cbx33> to install to tmp
[06:10] <cbx33> then the install files install debian/tmp/usr/something to somewhere else?
[06:10] <cbx33> is that right?
[06:18] <geser> yes
[06:18] <cbx33> awesome
[06:44] <evand> Can anyone offer insight into why gnome-bluetooth 0.9.0 FTBFS: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8529564/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.gnome-bluetooth_0.9.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz?  It says it's missing gail-dev, but that's an eventual dep of libgnomeui-dev.
[06:44] <evand> It also builds fine in my local pbuilder.
[06:46] <superm1> evand, what if you just add gail-dev as an explicit build dependency to gnome-bluetooth?
[06:47] <evand> I would, I'm just not sure it's right and proper :)
[06:48] <Hobbsee> evand: throw libgail-dev at it
[06:48] <evand> ok, thanks
[06:48] <Hobbsee> dunno why it'd work on your local pbuilder though
[06:48] <evand> yeah, it's quite odd.
[06:48] <superm1> evand, according to my local box,   apt-cache depends libgnomeui-dev |grep gail comes up with nothing
[06:48] <Hobbsee> evand: oh, do you have b-d and b-d-i's?
[06:49] <evand> eh? can you expand that
[06:49] <superm1> Hobbsee, you mean build dependencies an build dependencies architecture independent?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:49] <Hobbsee> sorry, i'm being lazy :)
[06:50] <Hobbsee> evand: what superm1 said
[06:50] <Hobbsee> evand: and which arch are you building on?
[06:50] <evand> Well, shouldn't gnome-bluetooth -> libgnomeui-dev -> libgnomecanvas2-dev -> libgail-dev work?
[06:50] <evand> Hobbsee: amd64
[06:51] <Hobbsee> evand: it should, but answer the question about whehter there's a Build Depends Indep section of debian/control
[06:51] <evand> negative, just build-dep
[06:52] <superm1> evand, you sure its a depend of libgnomecanvas2-dev?  I looked at that one too - and it doesn't come up
[06:52] <Hobbsee> okay, so it's not sbuild/pbuilder kludgery
[06:52] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ rdepends  libgail-dev
[06:52] <Hobbsee> libgail-dev
[06:52] <Hobbsee> Reverse Depends:
[06:52] <Hobbsee>   libgnomecanvas2-dev
[06:52] <Hobbsee>   gnome-core-devel
[06:52] <superm1> ah well on feisty its not :)
[06:53] <Hobbsee>   libgtkhtml2-dev
[06:53] <Hobbsee>   libgail-gnome-dev
[06:53] <Hobbsee>   libeel2-dev
[06:53] <Hobbsee>   libatspi-dev
[06:53] <Hobbsee> it should be OK.
[06:53] <evand> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6087 incase anyone wanted to take a look
[06:53] <Hobbsee> bah, who uses that anyway...
[06:53] <Hobbsee> Package gail was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[06:53] <Hobbsee> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gail.pc'
[06:53] <Hobbsee> that makes me wonder
[06:54] <Hobbsee> seeing as gali.pc isnt found with dpkg -S
[06:54] <evand> libgail-dev doesn't even seem to get installed in the build logs.
[06:55] <evand> hrm
[06:55] <Hobbsee> i'd try hardcoding libgail-dev
[06:56] <Hobbsee> yet it installs  libgail-common libgail18....
[06:56] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: because hardcoding the world has always worked so well in the past
[06:57] <Hobbsee> in fact, it doesnt even grab  libgnomecanvas2-dev
[06:57] <superm1> Hobbsee, even in a gutsy chroot, i didn't see that same result as you did for the rdepends, libgnomecanvas2-dev wasn't present
[06:57] <Hobbsee> libgnomecanvas2-dev | 2.19.1-0ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Packages
[06:57] <Hobbsee> superm1: that one?
[06:57] <Hobbsee> Burgundavia: depends what you hardcode, and where
[06:57] <Burgundavia> Hobbsee: /me was joking
[06:58] <Hobbsee> :P
[06:58] <superm1> Hobbsee, oh must have been after i apt-get update'd last night.  I was one version behind
[06:58] <Hobbsee> evand: ah, found it.
[06:58] <Hobbsee> evand: apt-cache show gnome-bluetooth | grep libgnomeui
[06:59] <Hobbsee> it's seriously the most useful invention, after grep.
[06:59] <evand> arr
[06:59] <Hobbsee> evand: that'll do it :)
[06:59] <Hobbsee> still doesnt explain why it built in your pbuilder, though...
[07:00] <evand> indeed, that is quite odd
[07:00] <eagles0513875> sup guys
[07:01] <Hobbsee> evand: you're trying it?
[07:03] <Hobbsee> superm1: that'll do it :)
[07:04] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: hey suprised ur up late lol
[07:04] <Hobbsee> yeah.  i'm heading towards bed...
[07:05] <eagles0513875> there r alot of updated pkgs today 
[07:07] <evand> Hobbsee: so just require libgnomeui-dev >= 2.91somethingsomething?
[07:08] <evand> damn!
[07:09] <AndyP> did i read somewhere that packages that depend on a virtual package should also depend on an alternative or something?
[07:11] <broonie> AndyP: Yes. They should have a dep in the form "default | virtual"
[07:11] <broonie> This is so apt has some idea what to install if the virtual package isn't already present.
[07:13] <AndyP> broonie: thought so, i'm currently wrestling with a package that depends on a virtual package without depending on al alternative
[07:14] <AndyP> s/ al / an /
[07:16] <AndyP> unfortunately the virtual package is new in the source package and hasn't made it into ubuntu yet (libgstreamer0.10-ruby) hmm, actually it might be just a "dummy" package and not a virtual package
[07:18] <broonie> It's a dummy package in Debian. "This is a dummy package depending on the library for the current default version of Ruby."
[07:23] <AndyP> as i thought. for some reason my brain registered "dummy" as "virtual" :/
[07:24] <eagles0513875> lol
[07:24] <eagles0513875> we all make mistakes dude
[07:49] <xxxxx1> Hobbsee, ^_-
[07:50] <Hobbsee> i missed whatever was said
[07:51] <xxxxx1> :)
[07:51] <stgraber> Hobbsee: oh, a 40 minutes night :)
[07:51] <Hobbsee> stgraber: you know when you've got a list of stuff that you just have to write out, else you cant sleep?
[07:52] <stgraber> yeah, know that ... :)
[07:58] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: what u come back for
[07:58] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: to write out a whole bunch of stuff
[07:59] <Hobbsee> evand: did you get it working?
[07:59] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: ur todo list
[07:59] <Hobbsee> not exactly.
[08:01] <eagles0513875> i need to learn programming badly
[08:01] <evand> well, it worked in pbuilder before so I'm not sure if this fixes it, but I upped the dependency to libgnomeui-dev (>= 2.19.0)
[08:01] <evand> is that what you were suggesting?
[08:02] <Hobbsee> evand: i think so, yes.
[08:04] <evand> I increased the ubuntu version for the change.  I'm not sure if that's necessary since it never hit the archive, but it's on REVU if any motus want to sponsor it.
[08:05] <Hobbsee> evand: i'll look after actually sleeping, or a couple of days after, if no one else has.  please email me about it
[08:06] <evand> thanks Hobbsee
[08:06] <Hobbsee> evand: you shouldnt need the versioned dep
[08:06] <Hobbsee> evand: as in, it'll pick up the latest in the archive anyway
[08:06] <fernando> can somebody review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6124
[08:07] <evand> that's what I thought, but it doesn't seem to be.
[08:08] <Hobbsee> evand: but, i'll look later if you send me an email about it
[08:08] <Hobbsee> else i will forget
[08:08] <tuxmaniac> hey, any mentors out there for me from MOTU School?
[08:09] <evand> thanks
[08:09] <tuxmaniac> Hobbsee, :-)
[08:09] <Hobbsee> however, happy to answer random questions in here if i'm not busy
[08:09] <eagles0513875> anyone care to take a look at my amarok bug
[08:09] <eagles0513875> that i reported
[08:10] <tuxmaniac> eagles0513875, i dont use amarok. its banshee and it rocks!
[08:10] <eagles0513875> ?
[08:11] <tuxmaniac> eagles0513875, you mean triage your bug?
[08:11] <eagles0513875> no
[08:11] <eagles0513875> nobody has taken a look at it 
[08:11] <eagles0513875> :(
[08:12] <jdong> the workflow is quite divine :)
[08:12] <Hobbsee> tuxmaniac: to fix eagles0513875 $mypetbug
[08:12] <eagles0513875> im using the f knockoff of amarok and i hate it
[08:12] <tuxmaniac> AndyP, hmm. May be I should leave. Long flight has taken its toll Isuppose
[08:12] <eagles0513875> $mypetbug
[08:12] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:12] <Hobbsee> tuxmaniac: instead of any of the others in the bugtracker.
[08:12] <eagles0513875> ll
[08:12] <tuxmaniac> Hobbsee, :))
[08:12] <AndyP> tuxmaniac: no no, stick around and let me soak up your enthusiasm ;)
[08:13] <Hobbsee> the fact that no one here is likely to know any amarok code seems to be irrelevant
[08:13] <eagles0513875> it doesnt seem to be a problem with amarok
[08:13] <eagles0513875> r the kde pkgs altered before being put in the repositories
[08:13] <Hobbsee> uh, yes.
[08:14] <Hobbsee> they need debian/ dirs for a start....
[08:14] <eagles0513875> i have a feeling my amarok issue is a bug with kde 3.5.7 pkgs
[08:14] <Hobbsee> then find it, and fix it.
[08:14] <eagles0513875> i dont know anything about any programming languages
[08:14] <Hobbsee> ...then learn.
[08:14] <xtknight> hey eagles0513875  ;)
[08:14] <xtknight> any progress?
[08:15] <eagles0513875> xtknight: with what
[08:15] <xtknight> tell me you changed the title of that bug :o
[08:15] <xtknight> the amarok one
[08:15] <eagles0513875> :( how do i do that lol
[08:15] <eagles0513875> ive narrowed it down to a bug in the kde 3.5.7 pkgs cuz ive compiled amarok from source flac from source dont know what else it could be except for kde
[08:16] <tuxmaniac> bye gang
[08:16] <eagles0513875> later tuxmaniac
[08:16] <xtknight> well, again, if you can't fix it yourself that should be something you can mention in the bug, then perhaps others can use that to fix it
[08:16] <Hobbsee> may be a difference in the version of flac, too
[08:16] <eagles0513875> possible
[08:17] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: when i installed flac from repositoriy and souce it seems to be the same version
[08:17] <Hobbsee> right
[08:17] <xtknight> the repositories are basically "from the source" too they're just packaged
[08:18] <eagles0513875> i installed that one
[08:18] <xtknight> so what you want to do is limit it to a range of versions.  download an older version, generally only available from source
[08:18] <eagles0513875> ok
[08:18] <eagles0513875> of amarok or kde
[08:18] <xtknight> of whatever you believe the fault lies
[08:18] <eagles0513875> how do i downgrade from 3.5.7 to 5.6
[08:18] <xtknight> sounds like kde to me
[08:18] <superm1> evand, perhaps you want to try buliding it on a ppa
[08:18] <xtknight> uninstall 3.5.7, and install 5.6
[08:18] <superm1> evand, considering the trouble you hit
[08:18] <xtknight> and its dependencies
[08:18] <eagles0513875> ok
[08:19] <Hobbsee> xtknight: some of the packages have large patches applied too
[08:19] <xtknight> Hobbsee, ah, ubuntu specific?
[08:19] <Hobbsee> superm1: possible, but i'd try running it locally with sbuild first.
[08:19] <evand> hrmm, that's a good idea superm1.  Thanks.
[08:19] <Hobbsee> xtknight: some, yes.  see patches.ubuntu.com
[08:19] <eagles0513875> ?
[08:19] <eagles0513875> uve lost me
[08:20] <xtknight> Hobbsee, eagles0513875 then perhaps some of the patches are causing the problem?
[08:20] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: xtknight: no packages for kde 3.5.6 for gutsy
[08:20] <Hobbsee> xtknight: quite possible.
[08:20] <xtknight> so it's a good idea he tried the vanilla (regular) package from source, even though it was the latest
[08:20] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: u saying i cant downgrade
[08:20] <xtknight> but if it still fails it obviously means he needs to try an older one
[08:21] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: xtknight: they're all in debian/patches in the sources, use trial and error
[08:21] <eagles0513875> i still dont get it
[08:21] <eagles0513875> u saying compile kde from source
[08:21] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: no. going fully back to 3.5.6 wont help you, anyway.
[08:22] <Hobbsee> seeing as neither amarok, nor flac, actually release with kde
[08:22] <eagles0513875> ok
[08:22] <Hobbsee> amarok's in extragear
[08:22] <eagles0513875> ok
[08:22] <xtknight> doesn't amarok use some libkde libraries?
[08:22] <Hobbsee> xtknight: sure it does
[08:23] <Hobbsee> xtknight: it could be them, sure.  i'd usually point the finger at flac though
[08:23] <eagles0513875> lol y if it worked perfectly fine in feisty
[08:23] <eagles0513875> and it workes perfectly fine now in any other player but amarok
[08:23] <xtknight> because it used a different flac version  ? i dont know heh
[08:24] <Hobbsee>       flac | 1.1.2-5ubuntu2 |        feisty | source, amd64, i386, powerpc
[08:24] <Hobbsee>       flac | 1.1.4-3ubuntu1 |         gutsy | source, amd64, i386, powerpc
[08:24] <Hobbsee> different versions of flac
[08:24] <xtknight> eagles0513875, and did you try a Gutsy LiveCD?
[08:24] <xtknight> does it occur on a fresh clean install?
[08:24] <eagles0513875> this is a clean install
[08:24] <Hobbsee> i expect that if you took the feisty flac, compiled it on gutsy, then recompiled amarok with the older flac, the problem wouldnt be there.
[08:24] <xtknight> with 0 other packages installed?  remember, this is scientific
[08:24] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: did you copy ~/.kde ?
[08:25] <eagles0513875> i had to do it after a really nasty apport bug which i already reported when i did a dist-upgrade
[08:25] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee:  what u mean
[08:26] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: did you copy ~/.kde over to your clean install?
[08:26] <Hobbsee> as in, if you move ~/.kde out of the way, does the problem still happen?
[08:26] <eagles0513875> no i didnt
[08:26] <eagles0513875> reformatted my partition
[08:27] <eagles0513875> and then reinstalled
[08:27] <Hobbsee> right, so ti's probably not a config file problem
[08:27] <eagles0513875> im going to try flac how can i get the flac from feisty
[08:28] <Hobbsee> ....from launchpad....
[08:28] <Hobbsee> where else?
[08:28] <Hobbsee> you'll need the source
[08:29] <xtknight> eagles0513875, http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[08:29] <xtknight> eagles0513875, i suggest reaidng some wikis anyways just to get a general idea of how to do this stuff.  after all you do seem lost a lot here ;)
[08:30] <eagles0513875> xtknight: im flustered cuz not knowing a programming language doesnt make it easy
[08:30] <Hobbsee> you dont need to know a programming language, per se
[08:30] <jdong> Hobbsee: pfft *hugs cached-madison*
[08:30] <Hobbsee> and tha'ts no excuse to be acting like a brick wall, and not taking in any information.
[08:30] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: i am
[08:30] <eagles0513875> !sourceomatic
[08:30] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:31] <xtknight> eagles0513875, but you know how to report bugs now.  that should be good for now.  if you want to fix it you will have to learn to program.
[08:31] <Hobbsee> jdong: rmadison and rmadison -u ubuntu comes in very handy, when you want to know more than the distro you're running
[08:31] <eagles0513875> xtknight: i know im actually probably going to stay here in europe and focus on a computer and info systems degree
[08:31] <eagles0513875> which will teach me alot of programming
[08:31] <jdong> Hobbsee: haha I just have a gigantic sources.list for my backports work, and a sqlite wrapper around apt-cache :)
[08:31] <Hobbsee> jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[08:31] <jdong> LOL
[08:31] <Hobbsee> !omgjdong
[08:31] <ubotu> jdong: You're going to hell.
[08:32] <Hobbsee> in the sane world, however...
[08:32] <jdong> Hobbsee: I guess you haven't seen sharkattack yet, huh? :D
[08:32] <jdong> Hobbsee: http://sharkattack.media.mit.edu/inventory/
[08:32] <Hobbsee> i dont want to know about you and your crack....
[08:32] <jdong> LOL
[08:33] <jdong> lol
[08:33] <jdong> I think I've blacklisted everything that would kill the builder :)
[08:33] <jdong> like openoffice, glibc....
[08:33] <Hobbsee> haha
[08:33] <eagles0513875> !omgeagles0513875
[08:33] <Hobbsee> ooo would be a fun backport
[08:33] <Hobbsee> not
[08:33] <jdong> eagles0513875: sorry that's special for me :)
[08:33] <eagles0513875> !omgjodng
[08:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about omgjodng - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:33] <jdong> Hobbsee: someone did hit Wesnoth during beta testing...
[08:33] <eagles0513875> !omgjdong
[08:33] <jdong> that took a huge hit
[08:33] <ubotu> jdong: You're going to hell.
[08:33] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:34] <eagles0513875> y only for u jdong
[08:34] <jdong> !twss-#ubuntuforums
[08:34] <ubotu> That's what she said!
[08:34] <jdong> :)
[08:34] <jdong> because I'm special (tm)
[08:34] <jdong> or have made too many bad jokes
[08:34] <Hobbsee> jdong: it's because you're FULL OF CRACK!
[08:34] <jdong> crack good :)
[08:34] <eagles0513875> uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what repository would i have to add to get flac source code
[08:35] <jdong> I was gonna name the box crackdealer
[08:35] <jdong> but... err.... the sysadmins would've questioned me :)
[08:35] <Hobbsee> !jdong is <reply> <Hobbsee> jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[08:35] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:35] <jdong> :)
[08:35] <jdong> sweet
[08:35] <Hobbsee> !jdong is <reply> [Hobbsee]  jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[08:35] <jdong> lol
[08:35] <Hobbsee> !whoami
[08:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about whoami - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:35] <Hobbsee> @whoami
[08:35] <ubotu> Hobbsee
[08:36] <eagles0513875> @whoau
[08:36] <eagles0513875> lol thats not goign to work is it
[08:36] <eagles0513875> xtknight: what repository am i going to have to add to get the flac source
[08:36] <jdong> eagles0513875: deb-src for main
[08:37] <eagles0513875> ? which one is that in the source o matic list
[08:37] <xtknight> eagles0513875, you probably already have it, "sudo apt-get build-dep flac" "sudo apt-get source flac"
[08:37] <Hobbsee> xtknight: not if he's on gutsy, remember....
[08:37] <Hobbsee> xtknight: he needs to grab the feisty source
[08:38] <jdong> Hobbsee: why doesn't he have feisty-source lines?
[08:38] <eagles0513875> i have a few
[08:38] <jdong> Hobbsee: flac is in main... and that's definitely installed by default
[08:38] <Hobbsee> jdong: because he's running gutsy?
[08:38] <eagles0513875> jdong: im on gutsy x64
[08:38] <jdong> Hobbsee: hmm...
[08:38] <_MMA_> jdong: Did that change for Gutsy?
[08:38] <jdong> _MMA_: I'm jsut as confused?
[08:39] <_MMA_> "FLAC installed by default"
[08:39] <eagles0513875> ya but take a look at my bug
[08:39] <jdong> _MMA_: no I mean the deb-src lines for main
[08:39] <eagles0513875> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/126598
[08:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126598 in amarok "ever since i upgraded to kde 3.5.7 in gutsy i have all my audio in flac and amarok is version 1.4.6 and for some reason with all my audio in amarok it intermittently cuts in and out throughout all the songs" [Undecided,New]  
[08:39] <_MMA_> Ahh...
[08:39] <jdong> _MMA_: I doubt flac is installed by defuault :D
[08:39] <eagles0513875> its not
[08:39] <_MMA_> no
[08:39] <eagles0513875> the latest version is causing a problem for some reason and i need the previous version to see if i still have the same problem
[08:40] <xtknight> eagles0513875, please....fix the bug title so people don't have a seizure when they look at it.   Edit Description/Tags on the left
[08:40] <eagles0513875> lol ok
[08:40] <jdong> AAH! DoS! DoS!
[08:41] <Hobbsee> actually, i think that's a dupe.
[08:41] <GKiller> hi everybody. i'm not sure if this is the right channel. but: when I try to install the package "mtools" from main (ver.  3.9.10.ds1-3 ), I get the warning: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[08:41] <GKiller> anybody knows what's wrong with that package?
[08:41] <_MMA_> eagles0513875: What backend are you using for Amarok?
[08:42] <eagles0513875> xine
[08:42] <eagles0513875> _MMA_: xine
[08:42] <_MMA_> Hmm...
[08:42] <eagles0513875> ill change it back
[08:42] <jdong> GKiller: have you tried performing an apt-get update?
[08:42] <jdong> or Synaptics reload lists
[08:42] <jdong> and make sure you don't get any errors when reloading your lists
[08:43] <xtknight> eagles0513875, drrr now the description is longer than the title.  just switch 'em
[08:43] <xtknight> title is longer than the descrption*
[08:43] <eagles0513875> i thought i changed that
[08:44] <GKiller> jdong, I get two gpg errors:
[08:44] <eagles0513875> xtknight: try that
[08:44] <GKiller> W: GPG error: http://hendrik.kaju.pri.ee feisty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 3C33E735F854AFD7
[08:44] <Hobbsee> okay, why are there no bugs on flac?
[08:44] <xtknight> eagles0513875, yes
[08:44] <GKiller> W: GPG error: http://download.tuxfamily.org feisty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2D6CFB44DD800CD9
[08:44] <Hobbsee> GKiller: then import the public key, if you trust that repository
[08:44] <jdong> GKiller: those 3rd party repositories should not affect mtools
[08:44] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: im now narrowing this down i thought this was an amarok and or xine issue
[08:44] <GKiller> one is because I have added an external repository without adding the key (thats what I wanted), the second I'm not sure :))
[08:44] <jdong> I just verified GPG sigs are fine on us.archive.ubuntu.com....
[08:45] <_MMA_> eagles0513875: I fixed it.
[08:45] <eagles0513875> fixed what
[08:45] <GKiller> hmm.. ok I'm using the swiss mirrors...
[08:45] <jdong> GKiller: it could be an error with your mirror
[08:45] <GKiller> can i force the us mirror for one fetch only?
[08:45] <stgraber> GKiller: switch is also fine (ch.archive)
[08:45] <jdong> GKiller: is the first one your mirror?
[08:45] <siretart> hey jdong!
[08:45] <eagles0513875> _MMA_: what u fix
[08:45] <jdong> greets siretart :)
[08:46] <GKiller> this is my mirror: http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages 
[08:46] <stgraber> official mirror for switzerland is ch.archive.ubuntu.com which points to mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/ubuntu/
[08:46] <stgraber> and it works fine
[08:46] <eagles0513875> GKiller: is it a 32bit or 64bit or both mirror
[08:46] <_MMA_> eagles0513875: bug 126598
[08:46] <eagles0513875> _MMA_: how did u fix my issue
[08:46] <xtknight> Bug 126598
[08:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126598 in amarok "Audio cuts out in and out in amarok and kde 3.5.7" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126598
[08:46] <_MMA_> No. The description.
[08:46] <GKiller> hmm... now I'm really wondering what the hendrik.kaju.pri.ee mirror is... can't remember adding that :)
[08:47] <eagles0513875> xtknight: should i just add all the feisty repositories to my list
[08:47] <Hobbsee> _MMA_: yay!  i knew that was there somewhere.
[08:47] <Jazzva> GKiller: It's the Screenlets repo
[08:47] <GKiller> aahh.. sorry I forgot. I added that one also (but forgot to remove again)... but ok this all shouldn't affect the ubuntu main package signatures
[08:48] <Hobbsee> _MMA_: it's probably https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xine-lib/+bug/101888 too
[08:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 101888 in xine-lib "Audio skips with xine" [Undecided,New]  
[08:48] <xtknight> eagles0513875, um i don't know
[08:48] <GKiller> yeah the screenlets Jazzva :)
[08:48] <Hobbsee> _MMA_: he's filed two bugs about the same thing.
[08:48] <xtknight> eagles0513875, i think at this point you just shouldn't worry about it.
[08:48] <xtknight> eagles0513875, you have filed the bug, chances are someone else has it.  somebody who knows how to fix it will do it
[08:49] <eagles0513875> xtknight: im on 64bit not really mainstream yet
[08:49] <Hobbsee> or else just ignore it, due to the sheer annoyingness of the reporter....
[08:49] <xtknight> 64bit has been around for at least 10 yrs
[08:49] <_MMA_> Hobbsee: Looks that way. :(
[08:49] <eagles0513875> xtknight: not until now is it making its appearance
[08:49] <GKiller> hobbsee, jdong, stgraber: thanks everybody for your help. after sudo apt-get update I could now install mtools without problems.. maybe that was a temporary glitch
[08:49] <jdong> GKiller: yeah, that happens sometimes :)
[08:49] <eagles0513875> xtknight: what repository is xine-lib
[08:49] <eagles0513875> in 
[08:49] <xtknight> eagles0513875,  if you don't know what to do, that's fine but you need to read wikis.  we apparently have tried to help you but can't
[08:50] <eagles0513875> im going to try flac source and xine lib downgrade
[08:50] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: please stop disrupting the channel about that bug.  it's been filed, you've been told over and over what to do with it, and havent followed that advice.  now you're just creating noise, and disrupting anyone else from gettign work done.
[08:51] <eagles0513875> !sourceomatic
[08:51] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:51] <jdong> eagles0513875: can you please do this in another channel? you're filling a development channel with bot output
[08:52] <eagles0513875> that is all i needed im done here
[08:54] <Hobbsee> _MMA_: :)
[08:55] <kevinl-1> hey guys! guess what? i need help with something!
[08:55] <Hobbsee> !ask | kevinl-1 
[08:55] <kevinl-1> specifically, how to fricking recompile usplash-theme-ubuntu / usplash on debian and make it actually work!
[08:55] <ubotu> kevinl-1: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:56] <kevinl-1> thanks
[08:56] <kevinl-1> i have many questions .
[08:56] <kevinl-1> any they are all related to usplash
[08:56] <kevinl-1> so, im hoping to find someone who actually knows about customizing it from source and getting it to work ..
[08:56] <kevinl-1> and bribing them for help .
[08:57] <xtknight> kevinl-1, are you using apt-get source?
[08:57] <_MMA_> kevinl-1: Emailing one of the mailing lists might be your best bet.
[08:57] <kevinl-1> ya
[08:57] <kevinl-1> so, forgot about etch for a second
[08:58] <kevinl-1> i have an ubuntu 7.04 desktop fresh install
[08:58] <kevinl-1> well, it WAS fresh
[08:58] <kevinl-1> i was able to compile usplash and usplash-theme-ubuntu
[08:58] <kevinl-1> make install, yada yada
[08:58] <kevinl-1> update-initramfs
[08:58] <kevinl-1> and now it just eats poo
[08:58] <kevinl-1> cannot open /dev/fb0 : no such file directory
[08:59] <kevinl-1> the error i got when compiling my own theme was : libusplash.0.so : unresolved symbol pixmap_throbber_back
[08:59] <kevinl-1> so i just tried to remove everything
[08:59] <xtknight> kevinl-1, so maybe you compiled it against the wrong -dev packages?
[09:00] <kevinl-1> xtknight: would i have to manually specify the "right" ones somewhere?
[09:01] <kevinl-1> im about to reinstall ubuntu again just so i can have a clean environment to start from
[09:01] <kevinl-1> which seems ridiculous, but i just do not know what is going with this
[09:01] <kevinl-1> usplash is a complicated piece of work
[09:01] <xtknight> hmm
[09:01] <kevinl-1> they make it sound all easy, even with a gnome gui thing to switch theme
[09:01] <kevinl-1> s
[09:02] <kevinl-1> but try building your own, and then backporting it into etch
[09:02] <kevinl-1> i need to make a custom branded logo splash for a live cd based on debian-live
[09:02] <kevinl-1> ive gotten various versions of usplash to do various levels of displaying on it
[09:03] <kevinl-1> but something is always wrong, one way or another
[09:03] <kevinl-1> yet the ubuntu live cd kernel and initramfs has that rockin ubuntu animated splash
[09:03] <kevinl-1> i just want to work ontop of that theme
[09:03] <kevinl-1> change the colors and logo
[09:03] <xtknight> hmm
[09:04] <xtknight> kevinl-1, well you cant get the usplash ubuntu theme and apply it with an Etch usplash applier?
[09:04] <xtknight> not sure what's involved in usplash really
[09:04] <xtknight> dont you have to recompile it into the kernel?
[09:04] <kevinl-1> nope, its just an application linked to a .so theme , in the initramfs
[09:04] <kevinl-1> you do have update-initramfs
[09:09] <jussi01> nite Hobbsee
[09:09] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:11] <evand> on it
[09:12] <Hobbsee> cool, just checking :)
[09:35] <superm1> evand, did you end up having more luck on a ppa/sbuild?
[09:39] <evand> superm1: haven't had a chance to try yet, but will do later.
[10:40] <reclusivemonkey> hello
[11:06] <xxxxx1> bye all
[11:10] <cbx33> not meaning to cause any grief but, is anyone else concerned over a certain post on planet at the moment?
[11:11] <cbx33> I've told kids at the school to view planet because they are interested in ubuntu and I don't really think that's appropriate
[11:13] <jdong> cbx33: yikes...
[11:13] <cbx33> please
[11:13] <jdong> cbx33: yeah that's worse than the iGasm thing...
[11:13] <cbx33> can we do something about that
[11:14] <jdong> cbx33: who moderates planet?
[11:14] <cbx33> jdong, personally it's appaling
[11:14] <cbx33> no idea
[11:14] <cbx33> but imho it needs to be pulled
[11:14] <LaserJock> jdong: yes, much worse
[11:14] <cbx33> it's very damaging to our image
[11:14] <jdong> yeah, I totally agree,  it needs to go
[11:14] <jdong> ASAP
[11:14] <cbx33> I've pinged in canonical-sysadmins
[11:14] <cbx33> but only one in there
[11:14] <cbx33> and not responding
[11:14] <cbx33> only thing I can think of is removing the feed
[11:14] <cbx33> comment it out
[11:15] <cbx33> until the owner can be contacted...
[11:15] <cbx33> but I don't have the authority to do that
[11:15] <LaserJock> well, probably emailing koke would be a good idea
[11:16] <cbx33> indeed
[11:16] <LaserJock> just to politely ask him to remove it
[11:16] <cbx33> indeed
[11:16] <jdong> that's a good idea
[11:16] <cbx33> but as well as that, we can't just wait
[11:16] <jdong> right
[11:16] <jdong> but it's a good start
[11:16] <cbx33> indeed
[11:16] <cbx33> who's gonna do it?
[11:16] <cbx33> :p
[11:16] <jdong> cbx33: you :)
[11:16] <cbx33> I will if no one else wants to
[11:16] <jdong> thanks for volunteering!
[11:16] <cbx33> get me the email address
[11:16] <cbx33> I don't mind
[11:17] <LaserJock> well, you can email the CC according to the Planet Policy spec
[11:17] <LaserJock> but I think they are probably all gone or traveling right now
[11:17] <jdong> LaserJock: that won't take an eternity?
[11:17] <jdong> LaserJock: mako's out for sure...
[11:17] <cbx33> dang
[11:17] <jdong> https://launchpad.net/~koke
[11:17] <cbx33> jdong don't you have some kinda super powers?
[11:17] <LaserJock> well, the CC is much larger now
[11:17] <jdong> says koke@amedias.org,  koke@zgzjabber.ath.cx
[11:17] <jdong> cbx33: unfortunately I don't have any of those kinds of powers :)
[11:17] <jdong> cbx33: they're also jabber accounts
[11:18] <LaserJock> I think only Canonical people can remove feeds
[11:18] <cbx33> hmmm
[11:18] <LaserJock> and particularly the sysadmins
[11:18] <cbx33> we can all edit the file though can't we?
[11:18] <LaserJock> and maybe Jono
[11:18] <cbx33> i could text jono
[11:18] <LaserJock> oh, hmm
[11:18] <cbx33> i have his number
[11:18] <jdong> cbx33: yeah he has magical powers
[11:19] <jdong> I am surprised people do not exercise a bit more judgement before posting to the planet... :(
[11:21] <LaserJock> technically we can change the Planet feed, but I'm not sure I want to be responsible for that
[11:21] <jdong> Burgundavia: ping? you have planet powers, right?
[11:21] <jdong> LaserJock: that might be slightly overboard....
[11:21] <jdong> LaserJock: let's first give some time for a response
[11:21] <jdong> or we can DoS the post to the next page!
[11:21] <jdong> lol
[11:21] <cbx33> hehe
[11:21] <LaserJock> heh
[11:21] <cbx33> I just txt jono
[11:21] <cbx33> I'll write the mail now
[11:21] <jdong> actually it's pretty close... :)
[11:22] <LaserJock> I've got lots I can talk about ;-)
[11:22] <jdong> quick! blog about something!
[11:23] <cbx33> I, and a few other members of the ubuntu-motu channel are deeply concerned about the post currently on planet.  I have send young people with an interest in ubuntu to planet and am worried that this post will be damaging to ubuntu.  I am writing to ask if you would please consider removing it from planet.
[11:23] <cbx33> ok?
[11:24] <vorlon> might you want to mention which post is "the post"?
[11:24] <cbx33> it's not obvious
[11:24] <cbx33> hehe
[11:24] <cbx33> ok
[11:24] <jdong> I have *sent*
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[11:24] <jdong> hehe
[11:26] <crimsun> unlike jordan, I will not be back.
[11:26] <Burgundavia> jdong: everybody does
[11:26] <jdong> crimsun: what?
[11:26] <jdong> everybody?
[11:26] <LaserJock> crimsun: sorry to hear that
[11:26] <jdong> Burgundavia: I was referring to planet administration powers...
[11:27] <jdong> crimsun: you sure? :(
[11:27] <cbx33> crimsun, whaaaaa?
[11:27] <crimsun> yes.  This was announced quite some time ago.
[11:28] <LaserJock> crimsun: I know, but we're still all in denial
[11:28] <Burgundavia> crimsun went and got himself a job without internet access
[11:28] <crimsun> it's quite nice.  I don't have to deal with gadgetry explosion.  Technology has made us dumber.
[11:29] <Burgundavia> indeed
[11:29] <Burgundavia> precisely why I don't own a cell phone
[11:30] <LaserJock> I have one, but I just call my wife with it
[11:30] <LaserJock> well, that and get Google Calendar text reminders
[11:30] <jdong> I have one...
[11:30] <jdong> and it has an ssh client on it... and oh dear... :(
[11:31] <cbx33> :(
[11:31] <cbx33> say no more
[11:31] <cbx33> I'm a technofreak
[11:34] <Q-FUNK> I'm really at loss as to how to fix issues brought up by http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6120
[11:34] <jdong> !ftp
[11:34] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[11:34] <jdong> whew
[11:34] <Q-FUNK> I'm dealing with a sloppy upstream tarball and a messy upstream build script.
[11:35] <cbx33> any ideas about planet?
[11:36] <LaserJock> cbx33: email koke, txt jono, wait
[11:37] <Q-FUNK> crimsun: sorry, back to what?
[11:38] <cbx33> grrr
[11:38] <cbx33> this sucks
[11:39] <ScottK> Any MOTU hopefuls, Bug #96586 needs to have an SRU put together.  I'll be glad to help you out with it.
[11:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 96586 in inkscape "Backport Inkscape to 0.45.1-1ubuntu3 to feisty" [Low,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96586
[11:40] <Q-FUNK> crimsun: I vaguely recall you mentioning that you're leaving some teams, if that's what you're refering to.
[11:42] <Q-FUNK> cbx33: there's two moraly questionable posts within the last few hours, so?
[11:44] <cbx33> Q-FUNK, have a link to the image fair enough
[11:44] <cbx33> but don't embed it
[11:44] <cbx33> we're an informative for all planet
[11:44] <cbx33> not pornbuntu
[11:45] <Q-FUNK> there's also potbuntu
[11:45] <Burgundavia> cbx33: morality is a very localized thing
[11:45] <cbx33> oh come on
[11:45] <Burgundavia> it is
[11:45] <cbx33> I'm fine with discussing difficult issues
[11:46] <cbx33> but I don't consider that safe for work
[11:46] <superm1> planet needs to be moral globally however
[11:46] <DktrKranz> ScottK, is there something I can do about?
[11:46] <Burgundavia> I don't disagree, I am just saying that in Europe, nudity is less taboo, basically
[11:46] <ScottK> DktrKranz: If you look at that bug, it talks about backporting and has 3 feisty patches.
[11:47] <ScottK> DktrKranz: Make a feisty-proposed debdiff for the 3 patches and let me know if you have questions.
[11:48] <cbx33> Burgundavia, let's face it though, that's not some "person" in their skimpy outfit
[11:48] <cbx33> that is a depiction of a sexual act
[11:48] <Burgundavia> right
[11:48] <Burgundavia> well email Jorge and ask him to take it down
[11:48] <DktrKranz> ScottK, are these three patches by bryce?
[11:48] <cbx33> I have
[11:49] <cbx33> but i think something should be done about it
[11:49] <Burgundavia> pulling a post off of planet is a very sensitive issue
[11:49] <ScottK> Yes
[11:49] <DktrKranz> ok, I'll have a look at it
[11:49] <cbx33> so....ok
[11:49] <cbx33> we'll just say....show of hands....
[11:49] <DktrKranz> probably I can manage it in time, it's quite late here
[11:50] <Burgundavia> cbx33: show of hands is mob rule
[11:50] <DktrKranz> *can't
[11:50] <cbx33> who is uncomfortable with it....I'm not asking for a vote
[11:50] <cbx33> just asking for how many people are uncomfortable with it
[11:50] <cbx33> brb
[11:50] <ScottK> DktrKranz: No problem.  Just get to it when you can.
[11:50] <DktrKranz> ok
[11:50] <DktrKranz> I'll ping you when with a verified debdiff
[11:51] <ScottK> Burgundavia: I'd say ask them to remove it (rather than force it off) on the basis it's got nothing to do with Ubuntu.
[11:51] <Burgundavia> absolutely
[11:51] <cbx33> ScottK, but a lot of stuff on planet is non ubuntu
[11:51] <Burgundavia> however, it is already midnight on a Friday night in Spain and Jorge isn't the kind to stay home
[11:52] <Burgundavia> it is not illegal, therefor I don't support pulling it down
[11:52] <ScottK> Well, just for refrence, my 4 year old was sitting on my lap when I pulled it up.  I wasn't comfortable with that.
[11:52] <vorlon> actually, the whole point of the post is that it was ruled illegal in Spain ;)
[11:53] <Burgundavia> vorlon: the server is in the UK, therefor not illegal
[11:54] <cbx33> Burgundavia, so?
[11:54] <Burgundavia> it is up to Jorge to pull it down
[11:55] <cbx33> you're not worried about the image of ubuntu?
[11:55] <Burgundavia> no
[11:55] <Burgundavia> I don't think it should be on planet, but I don't support anybody but Jorge pulling it down
[11:55] <jdong> I don't care about the image of ubuntu, but I do care about young aged audeiences seeing this
[11:55] <cbx33> and as you said it could be ages before he takes it down.
[11:55] <cbx33> jdong exactly
[11:56] <Burgundavia> jdong: do you have a concrete proposal for dealign with it?
[11:56] <Burgundavia> we have two choices: turn off planet or pull Jorge
[11:56] <jdong> Burgundavia: both of those options are pretty rough
[11:56] <jdong> Burgundavia: I was hoping for a way to just remove that one post
[11:56] <Burgundavia> there is nothing else we can do
[11:56] <Burgundavia> planet (the software) does not support that
[11:56] <cbx33> is it tagged?
[11:57] <Burgundavia> we went over this with the whole Dell thing
[11:57] <jdong> yeah, I undrstand Burgundavia's hesitation to take direct action
[11:57] <cbx33> me too
[11:57] <Burgundavia> the other thing you can do is to complain to the CC
[11:57] <cbx33> my beef isn't with you Burgundavia 
[11:58] <Burgundavia> asking for a strengthing of the PlanetEditorialSpec
[11:58] <Burgundavia> no, I realize that
[11:58] <cbx33> definitely
[11:58] <jdong> I agree with that
[11:58] <cbx33> but
[11:58] <Burgundavia> I would vote against it
[11:58] <cbx33> that  still leaves us with the current problem.
[11:58] <jdong> there should be something implemented from this point forth that alows for single-post moderation
[11:58] <Burgundavia> and who is moderate it?
[11:59] <jdong> the staff who manage the Planet?
[11:59] <cbx33> a very large votable team?
[11:59] <Burgundavia> there are no staff
[11:59] <cbx33> hehehe
[11:59] <jdong> well, then there should be...
[11:59] <Burgundavia> planet is controlled by the community
[11:59] <cbx33> then let ubuntu members vote on it?
[11:59] <Burgundavia> voting is a really bad idea
[11:59] <Burgundavia> we can do things by consensus
[12:00] <cbx33> like becoming an ubuntu member?
[12:00] <Burgundavia> that is a vote of a select few people
[12:00] <Burgundavia> and that is largely consensus as well
[12:00] <Burgundavia> and this is a far more sticky matter, that of approving posts
[12:01] <superm1> perhaps planet's allowed content should be modified.  i've seen several blog softwares that support tags, and then the rss feed submitted is only things tagged with say 'ubuntu' or 'linux'
[12:01] <cbx33> i can't see another reliable way of doing it.
[12:01] <Burgundavia> superm1: we can do that, but not all blogs support that
[12:01] <superm1> its quite possible this was an oversight by jorge and he didn't realize it would be included here
[12:01] <cbx33> in fact some blogs do do it.
[12:01] <cbx33> true
[12:02] <Burgundavia> I am deeply opposed to anything that introduces new rules and new procedures to planet
[12:02] <jdong> I think there should be a more rigorous set of guidelines to what is acceptable material on the planet
[12:02] <cbx33> Burgundavia, but then situations like this will keep happening
[12:02] <Burgundavia> jdong: we went over this in SEvilla
[12:02] <ScottK> With what conclusion?
[12:03] <Burgundavia> that we don't define " a more rigorous set of guidelines"
[12:03] <Burgundavia> for the exact reason that they are impossible to agree on
[12:03] <ScottK> OK.  
[12:03] <jdong> how about the same type of content allowed on the IRC channels and forums?
[12:03] <Burgundavia> for the record, the debate was largely between myself, Jono, elmo and sabdfl
[12:04] <Burgundavia> the IRC and the forums are basically "don't violate the CC"
[12:04] <ScottK> Personally, I don't think putting that post on planet is consistent with the Ubuntu code of conduct.
[12:04] <Burgundavia> CoC, rather
[12:04] <ScottK> Right.
[12:04] <cbx33> i don't see how.  a new post is given 24 hours to be voted on
[12:04] <Burgundavia> and if issues are made witha  specific post, then to raise them with the CC
[12:04] <jdong> cbx33: I don't like a moderation queue
[12:04] <cbx33> jdong. no
[12:04] <jdong> I don't think everyone should default to suspicion
[12:04] <Burgundavia> and who is going to write it?
[12:04] <cbx33> it is up on planet.
[12:05] <jdong> but I do think that there should be a way to react to a unwatned post
[12:05] <cbx33> Burgundavia, if it's important enough people will.
[12:05] <Burgundavia> planet (the software) doesn't suppor that, so somebody is going to need to write a patch to planet
[12:05] <cbx33> ok
[12:05] <Burgundavia> I don't disagree that a post specific blacklist might be a good feature
[12:05] <pete_> I'll get together with people and write it
[12:05] <pete_> totally
[12:05] <pete_> sorry I'm pete_ too
[12:06] <Burgundavia> right
[12:06] <pete_> well...
[12:06] <Burgundavia> look, if you have an issue, raise it with the CC
[12:06] <pete_> don't worry dude I will
[12:06] <Burgundavia> ultimately, mdke and I need to finish writing the PlanetEditorialSpec
[12:07] <pete_> specs are great
[12:07] <pete_> but
[12:07] <Burgundavia> sladen: Jorge's
[12:07] <pete_> it's the mechanism for when that's broken that needs to be addressed
[12:07] <jdong> sladen: scroll down.. it's hard to miss
[12:07] <pete_> haha
[12:08] <pete_> sladen, found it?
[12:09] <pete_> :p
[12:10] <jdong> or at least a friendly reminder to exercise a bit more taste in inline content
[12:10] <sladen> generally it'd be polite to stick that behind a <cut>.  Ubuntu CoC or not
[12:10] <jdong> I'm fine with a link to NOTE: Mature Content....
[12:10] <sladen> *not safe for work*
[12:10] <jdong> yeah
[12:10] <pete_> me too
[12:10] <vorlon> not "note: immature content"?
[12:10] <pete_> totally
[12:10] <jdong> vorlon: any header is good
[12:10] <pete_> heheh
[12:10] <pete_> anything
[12:11] <jdong> "CoC alert..."
[12:11] <pete_> even a thumbnail would have been better
[12:11] <pete_> *bah* I think I'm gonna have to blog in response
[12:11] <jdong> maybe it's jst a difference in culture
[12:11] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:12] <pete_> jdong, yeh i understand that
[12:12] <Burgundavia> that magazine is a well read Spanish magazine, that is its front cover
[12:12] <jdong> but there has to be a line for that kind of stuff too
[12:12] <Burgundavia> Spain is the puritanical US/UK
[12:12] <pete_> but, if people can try to ban Christmas, because it's insulting to non Christians
[12:12] <jdong> there are many cultures where full nudity is well tolerated
[12:12] <pete_> indeed
[12:12] <jdong> there has got to be a line drawn
[12:12] <pete_> but ubuntu is global
[12:13] <pete_> humanity to all
[12:13] <jdong> well don't post pics of serving humanity to all on the planet?