[12:15] has the copyright file to include the realname or is a pseudonym ok, too? === phanatic [n=phanatic@212.2.21.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:20] elektranox: I think I read somewhere that it has to be realname, but I'm not sure... [12:20] and what is if the author doesn't want to say it -_- === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vbabiy [n=vbabiy@pool-71-164-85-238.albyny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:23] elektranox: Dunno :/... === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueCommand [n=blueComm@unaffiliated/bluecommand] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [i=peter@ubuntu/member/thoreauputic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [i=peter@ubuntu/member/thoreauputic] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apachelogger [n=me@N867P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] could you please have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6116 ? thank you. === elektranox_ [n=elektran@p5481E14C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:49] DktrKranz, I think it's against policy to distribute .jar files containing pre-compiled executables, but don't take my word for it. [12:49] I'm thinking about hstart.exe [12:51] I'm not sure, since some extensions already into archives contains such files [12:51] firefox-webdeveloper is one of them [12:51] anyway, thanks for the hint, I'll look at it [12:52] if you can compile it cool, otherwise i guess that's multiverse stuff [12:54] ScottK: ping [12:54] non-ScottK pong === blueCommand realises that apachelogger was probably trying to reach ScottK and not test his connection. [12:55] blueCommand: indeed, that was the plan ^_^ [12:56] Bah [12:56] But now you know that your connection works! [12:57] blueCommand: yeah, thanks for that :D [12:57] Anytime! === rootvzla [i=rootvzla@201.243.3.157] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-motu === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu === leonel [n=leonel@189.155.179.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bigon [i=bigon@imladris.bigon.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic_ [i=peter@ubuntu/member/thoreauputic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsgotang@121.97.250.245] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic_ [i=peter@ubuntu/member/thoreauputic] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === javier_galicia [n=Javier@189.130.231.178] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-26-195.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@86.228.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nairoV [n=Steve@cpe-76-181-146-41.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rootvzla [i=rootvzla@201.243.3.157] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:13] hi elkbuntu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-206-191-39-54.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:42] hi leonel [02:43] e [02:43] ea [02:45] como anda todo leonel ? [02:45] sigh, more tzdata updates to do === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsgotang@121.97.250.245] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ademan [n=dan@h-68-167-206-223.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:28] anyone know if ant-contrib is the ant-optional package? === fbond_ [n=fab@pool-71-169-146-251.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thunderbolt [n=ryan@c-75-70-244-190.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:51] hmm. Any sbuilders have any idea what I can do to fix http://pastebin.ca/626606? === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thinkmassive [n=Alex@pool-70-110-5-222.roa.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:06] Any reviewer who could take a quick look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6117 ? :) === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === radhios [n=radhios@200.122.113.20] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:40] what is meant by "Expert" here? https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/test/512 [04:41] expert install [04:41] i dont see the option for that in the cd boot [04:43] do you pass "expert" on the kernel command line? [04:43] (aware that tribe 3 is already out but just for future reference) [04:43] xtknight: It's probably only in alternative CD. [04:43] minghua, yea that's what im using but i dont see the option there [04:44] minghua, text mode install maybe? [04:44] i mean command line system install* [04:44] oh i see it [04:44] you press F6 [04:44] xtknight: you pass 'expert' as a boot option [04:44] that's weird i've never used that before and never knew it even exited [04:45] Well, I know Debian's installer has expert and expertgui. Not sure about Ubuntu. [04:51] xtknight: it was advertised up until edgy, as an F command [04:52] i notice a lot of requests for syncs from debian. can anyone do that or only those who are privileged? [04:53] (in launchpad, that is) [04:58] Only ubuntu-archive can. [05:04] (and before ubuntu-archive people act on them, there is an ACK from a ubuntu-core-dev or ubuntu-dev needed, for main and universe packages, respectively.) === micahcowan [n=micah@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === luis_lopez [n=luis@ip216-239-86-64.vif.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Magnus1 [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === [GruncH] [n=gruncho@190-76-27-82.dyn.movilnet.com.ve] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:37] epale effie_jayx [05:37] hola grunch [05:38] <[GruncH] > hi rootvzla :) === shin [n=sunny@76.24.1.152] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:40] Hi. [05:40] Anybody in here? [05:41] ? [05:41] do you have a legitimate question? [05:41] No. Sorry. Just I wish to check that my IRC works or not. [05:42] This is the first time to use this app. Sorry for disturbing you. === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [i=peter@ubuntu/member/thoreauputic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu === man-di [n=mkoch@dyndsl-080-228-195-140.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === micah_c [n=micah@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:05] TheMuso_: do you rely on gdm's audio notification being audible before attempting to log in? [06:06] crimsun: Not at all. [06:06] crimsun: I can see the login appear. === levander [i=cponder@user-1121m8s.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:06] TheMuso_: ok, thanks. I'm considering the a11y issue that mjg59 raised regarding the audio notification being muted and thus, inaudible. [06:07] Why is svk in Gutsy at revision 1.08, even though in Debian unstable it's at 2.01? [06:07] crimsun: Just because I don't, doesn't mean others don't either. I am sure many a blind Ubuntu user finds it useful. [06:07] TheMuso_: right, I need to ask on an a11y mailing list. === crimsun hasn't received much feedback [06:08] crimsun: I can answer it for you already. I am sure people will object to it going away. [06:08] I don't care, but if I know the community as well as I do, they will raise their objections very strongly. [06:09] Seeing Ubuntu drop speakup is one good example of this. [06:09] levander: someone has to go to the effort of remerging it [06:09] There was an absolute uproar. [06:09] TheMuso: yes, I'm more interested in finding a workaround at this point. It doesn't look like my original approach is workable WRT a11y. [06:09] crimsun: Right. [06:10] crimsun: Sorry, but I thought I'd save you the bother of asking a community that I already know the answer for. [06:10] People don't even think we are doing enough for the live CD as it is. === vbabiy [n=vbabiy@pool-71-164-85-238.albyny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:12] Hey RAOF. [06:12] crimsun: i'm not blind and i find that very useful [06:13] Amaranth: right, I know there are people who want both sides ("too loud during meeting" vs. "require a11y hint") [06:14] wait, having the sound muted on boot wasn't accidental? [06:14] it's not muted on boot currently (nor has it been in any Ubuntu release) [06:15] granted, the current method is _extremely_ hackish, because not all drivers use Master/PCM/Wave* === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-7-218.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === micah_c [n=micah@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sethbc [n=sethbc@cpe-66-108-162-181.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:29] Does one have to bump the ubuntu revision when correcting a FTBFS? === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] ajmitch: Does that svk package have to be merged before the DebianImportFreeze? What's the deadline for getting svk merged so it gets in the Gutsy release? [06:36] I wonder if there was some problem merging svk because it was not auto-imported from Debian unstable? [06:39] has ant-contrib been packaged? 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(http://ant-contrib.sourceforge.net/) [08:50] doesn't appear to be, according to "apt-cache search" with all official repos enabled on Ubuntu Feisty [08:51] Well, you may want to search in gutsy. And REVU as well. [08:52] not seeing it in Gutsy [08:52] not sure about REVU === harrisony [i=harrison@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x0C163084] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bigon [i=bigon@imladris.bigon.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-148.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=highvolt@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:15] i should start a Community of non sleepers in Antarctica [09:15] lol === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:16] because everywhere i go people sleep and no one is awake [09:16] joejaxx: if you can feed me, pay me and give me a good access, I woudl join you [09:16] Burgundavia: lol [09:16] :) [09:17] i need to catch up on three weeks worth of emails :( [09:17] quick question im reading through the packaging guide and have pbuilder and CDBS sounds easy but i still dont get it :P [09:18] i would help but i do not use cdbs :( === minghua finds the requirement of "feed me and pay me" very strange, then thinks about Antarctica, and appreciates Burgundavia's thoroughness. [09:18] joejaxx, how do you do them [09:19] minghua: given the cost of shipping anything down there... [09:19] harrisony: the good old fashion way [09:19] Burgundavia: Icee's for everyone lol [09:19] joejaxx, which is [09:19] they do not show you the non-CDBS way on the packaging guide? [09:20] They do. I think they even show the non-debhelper way. [09:20] http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ [09:20] harrisony: ^ [09:20] minghua: oh [09:20] harrisony: why not do the non-CDBS way if it is in the guide? :P [09:21] joejaxx, i was told cddb was dead easy [09:21] oh [09:21] i do not know [09:21] for me it is just easier to build a rules file lol [09:21] i guess YMMV === dholbach [n=daniel@pD9E25BCB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:24] good morning === vil [n=lada@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:26] morning === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === BugMaN [n=BugMaN@nat.cabi.uniroma1.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@83-131-90-181.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === guardian [n=Guardian@mar44-1-87-90-32-28.dsl.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:38] xtknight: heh, sorry i was afk, when people say Ademan though it usually makes me come running [09:38] lol ill keep that in mind [09:38] xtknight: i was wondering about the ant-optional package, i don't know what it might contain if not ant-contrib [09:38] ya it has ant-optional [09:38] let me check [09:39] dpkg -L ant-optional | grep -i contrib [09:39] nothing there [09:39] nothing here either [09:39] http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=ant-contrib&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=gutsy&arch=i386 === apachelogger [n=me@N717P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === harrisony builds 1st ubuntu package [09:43] yay it failed!, stupid gpg key [09:46] sounds like my 10th ubuntu package also lol === ivoks_ [n=ivoks@83-131-19-107.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:51] question , when i do dh_make there are all these ex files in /debian/ do i need them? === CrummyGummy [n=CrummyGu@dsl-240-39-188.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === infinito [n=infinito@75.Red-80-59-227.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === infinito [n=infinito@75.Red-80-59-227.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:18] hello all [10:21] hey man-di === yamal [n=yamal@Room641A.no-such-agency.net.ru] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:27] StevenK: about sear: I still wait for upstream, but I started to look into solving the guichan issue myself too [10:28] StevenK: what next sear will need is guichan in gutsy [10:28] StevenK: I saw it was removed === cassidy [n=cassidy@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:44] is the person here who uploaded jedit to REVU? [10:51] man-di: it seems to be https://launchpad.net/~zic [10:52] I search on http://launchpad.net/people - but it seems he's not on IRC atm [10:52] after shortly looking into it I think about writing a book for the comments on the package... [10:52] dholbach: thanks [10:53] man-di: a book? [10:54] dholbach: as in "some place with much space for text" [10:54] that much wrong? :-/ [10:54] yes [10:55] java packaging seems to be tricky to get it right [10:55] it is a bit tricky [10:56] and the java policy is a bit outdated [10:56] so people get confused an what to do [10:56] and noone took the time yet to update it or write some documentation for best practices [10:57] I think it might make sense to just collect the comments you make on some wiki page and go from there === cassidy_ [n=cassidy@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:00] dholbach: there are lots of bug reports in the Debian BTS about missing/wrong stuff [11:00] maybe it'd make sense to call for all interested contributors and walk that team through bug reports, reviewed packages, etc to aggregate information and udpate documentation where needed [11:01] dholbach: the plan was to sit together with some people (also from other distros) and find a common base and implement that. This way Linux in general gets a consistent platform for Java devs and users [11:01] that'd be great [11:01] that meeting is currently being organized [11:01] also with people from SUN involved [11:02] and as SUN people are especially interested in Debian/Ubuntu they want to help with the policy too [11:02] super [11:02] but this takes time [11:03] right, but also, it might help to write something like a documentation roadmap specification, where you list examples, bugs reports, etc that you know about and that contain valuable information - so contributors can help with fixing docs or at least make sure you have all the bits in the right place [11:03] I don't know how well that works out, but it might be a good start [11:03] that is one reason why noone updated existing stuff, as it will change again anyway [11:04] hrm, ok [11:04] dholbach: now I only need to find someone who likes to write such a documentation. I'm not a good writer but I can give the ideas [11:05] as soon as you have the necessary bits and pieces in place, and general outline of what's needed, I think that a call for contributors on some mailing lists would help === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:09] would anybody be available to sponsor and review? [11:10] Q-FUNK: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess - the queue gets reviewed very quickly nowadays [11:11] ok, it seems I fist need to be added to the keyring [11:12] dholbach: I should perhaps try to get some of people of MOTU Java Growers active [11:12] ah. wait, already uploaded, so it should be recognized. [11:12] Q-FUNK: ajmitch should be up, he can help with that [11:12] Q-FUNK: keyring? you just need to file a bug with a debdiff or a package and subscribe ubuntu-{universe,main}-sponsors [11:13] man-di: that'd be great === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:15] dholbach: new package [11:15] Q-FUNK: is it in debian already? [11:15] what do you think about hacking REVU's lintian? [11:16] dholbach: it isn't [11:16] Q-FUNK: ok [11:16] it does not know about our distributions on the one hand and warns about NMUs (that is normal in Ubuntu AFAIK) [11:16] Q-FUNK: it's ok if you link to that package in a bug that's tagged as 'needs-packaging [11:16] the bug lists marked on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews are triaged regularly [11:17] it's already packaged [11:17] Q-FUNK: I understand - but bugs that are tagged as 'needs-packaging' and are marked as 'fix committed' will get reviewed [11:17] Q-FUNK: but you can upload to REVU too [11:17] we're gradually changing the process at the moment [11:17] ah, ok [11:17] sorry for the inconvenience of having to pick one [11:17] :) [11:18] http://q-funk.iki.fi/debian/pool/m/mkelfimage/mkelfimage_2.7-0ubuntu1.dsc [11:18] Q-FUNK, whats that ? i'D rather see us fixing the mknbi package [11:19] ogra: see my mail. mkbi cannot be fixed, because it uses bios calls, which linuxbios doesn't support. [11:19] ah [11:20] hmm [11:20] ->ltsp :) [11:20] well that tool needs to be good enough to go to main ... [11:20] it wont help anything in universe for the thin clients [11:20] (ltsp-build-client doesnt use any universe stuff) [11:21] yes, it would [11:21] and that's a new procedure for me [11:21] ditto for -amd, mind you === Sindwiller [n=sindwill@84-75-101-114.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU === apachelogger [n=me@N717P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elmargol [n=elmargol@host52-60.pool8248.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lukketto [n=lukketto@host3-193-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueCommand [n=blueComm@unaffiliated/bluecommand] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RainCT [n=RainCT@unaffiliated/rainct] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy_ [n=cassidy@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:38] it's not preffered to specify the entire dependency tree is it (for build-deps) [12:52] there, uploaded to revu [12:53] Ademan: it's sufficient to specify the direct build-depends === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apachelogger [n=me@N717P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=tuxmania@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dharrigan [n=david@host12.williamhill.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil [n=alessand@host228-234-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu === matysecek [n=matysek@26.Red-88-25-166.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:22] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6120 === matysek [n=matysek@26.Red-88-25-166.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] Q-FUNK: what's in linux-i386/convert.bin.c? [01:32] it looks like a binary blob === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a55c:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-motu === EtienneG [n=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-a487818d73f96ac3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] could you please have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6116 ? there's a .jar file too, I'm not sure this is redistributable or not === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:41] DktrKranz: I don't have time just now, but I'd suggest you put your question about the .jar file in a comment on REVU, so all reviewers will be aware of it. [01:42] I'll do, thanks [01:42] DktrKranz: I doubt that the jar file is the preferred format for modifications === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:43] geser: I'm guessing that's the ELF header. [01:43] I fear so, but I looked at some other extension and they shipped such file too === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:44] geser: they released everything under the GPL and have no mention of binary blob, so I'd asusme it's kosher. [01:44] I'm not sure if they package it at runtime, though [01:47] generally, upstream has poor changelogs and bad makefiles, which was a pain to work around [01:47] Q-FUNK: there exist kernel drivers under GPL which contain(ed) binary blobs in .h files, so I wouldn't take it for granted that everything is ok [01:47] they also forgot to clean their tree before releasing === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:49] I really wonder why they use such a complex makefile with makefile.conf and a separate cofig dir, for such a small package. === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@ubuntu/member/darksun88] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:52] Salve [01:53] geser: fair enough. if everyone thinks that this should go to restericted, I'll change it [01:55] Q-FUNK: ask an archive admin about his opinion in this files === lmr__ [n=lmr@32.104.18.240] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:57] Q-FUNK: reading the Makefile it looks like it's generated file [02:01] Q-FUNK: so it should be ok, but it would be better if the files a regnerated during build === matysecek [n=matysek@36.Red-88-14-191.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:02] geser: indeed so, but upsteam's build system sucks completely, not juston this particular point === xxxxx1 [n=xxxxx1@44125.static.fln.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:05] hello all === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsgotang@121.97.241.88] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bueroman [n=setanta@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:16] hello Hobbsee [02:17] heya xxxxx1 === blueCommand [n=blueComm@unaffiliated/bluecommand] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-motu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/ - TOP 10 Uploaders/Packages === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by persia at Tue Jul 17 12:59:31 2007 [02:29] Hi all, I've got a configure script that needs an argument. Where in the rules file do I put this? I'm using cdbs. [02:32] CrummyGummy: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml#id2528414 [02:35] can someone add package wine-doors to ubuntu ? [02:35] 0.1 *final* is out [02:36] geser, Thanks [02:37] Kmos: when you package it, sure. [02:38] :) [02:39] geser: can you archive this one? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5723 [02:41] Kmos: archived [02:41] thanks [02:41] http://www.wine-doors.org/releases/wine-doors_0.1-1_all.deb [02:42] not on debian yet === radhios [n=radhios@200.47.67.169] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LucidFox [n=LucidFox@wikia/Sikon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:46] Kmos: you need the source package, the deb alone doesn't help [02:46] "Launchpad is offline"? [02:46] geser: yeah, i know [02:46] =) [02:46] just to show there is already a deb [02:46] LucidFox: try reloading [02:48] emacs22 now in gutsy! yay! :) === coNP hugs siretart [02:49] btw, since we have a working emacs lp group (https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-elisp/), do we have a similar group for vim? === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:53] moin all === vbabiy [n=vbabiy@pool-71-164-85-238.albyny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sindwiller [n=sindwill@84-75-101-114.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.142.50.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === frafu [n=frafu@vodsl-8097.vo.lu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy_ [n=cassidy@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nairoV [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.142.50.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === harrisony [i=harrison@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x0C163084] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sindwiller [n=sindwill@84-75-101-114.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU [03:25] hello fernando [03:26] hi xxxxx1 [03:26] fernando, libgnomedb3 is in archive ;) [03:26] xxxxx1, great work! congrats [03:26] building mergeant now [03:26] rocks === jburd [n=jburd@59.184.24.107] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@ubuntu/member/darksun88] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@pD9E25BCB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:52] hello dholbach [03:52] re [03:52] hi xxxxx1 === tuxmaniac [n=tuxmania@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === matysek [n=matysek@197.Red-83-33-186.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:07] hi dholbach [04:07] hey zul [04:07] how is it going? [04:07] good good - how are you? [04:07] dholbach, hello [04:07] good no complaints so far [04:07] hey tuxmaniac [04:08] dholbach, thanks for the ACks for the Science packages :-) [04:08] no problem :) === BugMaN [n=BugMaN@nat.cabi.uniroma1.it] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === dholbach [n=daniel@pD9E25BCB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:11] oh noes, it's dholbach! [04:12] anyone having issues with sound card not being detected in gutsy, but ok in feisty ? === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@123.116.97.100] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:22] geser: can you add your earlier comments to the package's revu to help the whole motu crew reach a decision? [04:22] Ha. TheMuso tells lies. [04:23] StevenK: ? [04:23] StevenK: indeed he does. STONE HIM!!! === TheMuso runs. [04:23] ahem. [04:23] TheMuso: "I won't be back on tonight." Technically, you're right, but you are... [04:24] Hobbsee: you're welcome to review it too: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6120 [04:24] StevenK: I said I'd make an exception. [04:24] For you folks. [04:24] Ah ha [04:25] As it is, I'm not on for long. === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sindwiller [n=sindwill@84-75-101-114.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU === nairoV [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@123.116.97.100] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueCmd [n=eternity@unaffiliated/bluecommand] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul_ [n=chuck@mail.edgewater.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === guardian_ [n=Guardian@mar44-1-87-90-32-28.dsl.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:03] Are there any statistics of how much space main + restricted + universe + multiverse take up? [05:03] Monthly or so === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:07] <\sh> blueCmd: space? [05:07] <\sh> blueCmd: diskspace? [05:07] Yes [05:08] I'm asking because I'm wondering how many DVDs it would take to fit it all in one install serie [05:08] <\sh> feisty: 25G total (386+amd64+all).debs [05:09] <\sh> (dapper+edgy+feisty)*(i386+amd64+all).debs == 70G [05:10] <\sh> not much diskspace... === harrisony [i=harrison@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x0C163084] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:12] \sh, thanks! === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:13] hey guys [05:13] looking at the hello source [05:13] and the dpkg source [05:14] i'm a little confued [05:14] in the rules file [05:14] i can see the make being run [05:14] but where is the make install? [05:15] cbx33: there is no make install [05:15] oh [05:15] i see [05:15] nevermind then [05:15] ;) [05:15] that's what confused me [05:15] $(MAKE) INSTALL_PROGRAM="$(INSTALL_PROGRAM)" \ [05:15] prefix=$$(pwd)/debian/tmp/usr install [05:15] what's that? [05:15] cbx33: in fact "binary-arch" is that [05:16] yeh [05:16] though so [05:16] (from "hello") it kinda looks like make install === ivoks [n=ivoks@37-130.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:16] what is $(MAKE) [05:16] make? [05:16] shell variable [05:16] tought so [05:20] Who is postmaster for ubuntu-motu@ists.ubuntu.com ? === Havis [n=Havis@adsl-dyn196.91-127-76.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:22] <\sh> blueCmd: mailman@lists.ubuntu.com [05:23] Since I have a "Waiting for moderator approval" mesasge queued [05:23] And wanted to poke that person [05:23] <\sh> blueCmd: just wait [05:23] blueCmd: have a look at the web interface [05:24] <\sh> blueCmd: most probably that the list maintainer itself didn't approve it for now...it will be approved in time [05:24] Good :) === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu === leonel [n=leonel@189.155.126.116] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:33] Good day everyone ! === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueCmd is now known as blueCommand === theCore_ [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:52] hey peeps - take this scenario [05:52] I have a source, with a Makefile [05:52] how would I go about splitting it up into 3 binary packages [05:53] would I just use the make for making, and then install files seperately with dh_install? [05:53] create three package stanzas in debian/control [05:53] yeh I know that bit [05:53] it's the how to pull out seperate sections [05:53] and create .install> files [05:53] really? [05:53] that's the real way to do it? [05:54] the debs will get build from debian/ [05:54] so you need to split the files to the right pkg [05:54] cooool - /me is so proud of himself. w000h000 [05:54] i knew that [05:54] just checking [05:54] and the easiest way would be through .install files [05:54] so even if the source had a make install [05:54] I wouldn't use it [05:55] let "make install" install it to debian/tmp/ and move the files from there to the right package [05:56] hmmm [05:56] geser, mind if i ask a few more questions? [05:57] so would i make install with a prefix? [05:57] cbx33: see the dh_install manpage, section EXAMPLES. there is a small example how to split the files into two packages [05:57] ahhh ok [05:58] you can also look how other packages do it [05:59] ok [05:59] i think i get it === micahcowan [n=micahcow@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:01] know of any small ones that do that kinda thing? [06:01] that i can use as an example? [06:02] sorry, not of top of my head [06:02] ok [06:02] ok np [06:03] library should be good examples, as they split the library and the headers [06:07] does MoM have a problem with .po files or something? i've seen a few instances where .po files have been said to conflict and get split into .DEBIAN and .UBUNTU but they don't differ at all [06:09] geser, so....when i run the make install [06:09] should i prefix it? [06:09] to install to tmp [06:10] then the install files install debian/tmp/usr/something to somewhere else? [06:10] is that right? === freeflying__ [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:18] yes === crevette [n=crevette@man06-2-88-167-44-76.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:18] awesome === radhios [n=radhios@200.47.67.169] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twanj [n=chatzill@c-75-74-146-27.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-098-089.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sindwiller [n=sindwill@84-75-101-114.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU === Sindwiller [n=sindwill@84-75-101-114.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU === cassidy [n=cassidy@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [i=malimonc@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === avoine [n=avoine@69.70.0.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vbabiy [n=vbabiy@pool-71-164-85-238.albyny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === davromaniak [n=cyril@LAubervilliers-153-52-16-160.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:44] Can anyone offer insight into why gnome-bluetooth 0.9.0 FTBFS: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8529564/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.gnome-bluetooth_0.9.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz? It says it's missing gail-dev, but that's an eventual dep of libgnomeui-dev. [06:44] It also builds fine in my local pbuilder. === xxxxx1 [n=xxxxx1@44125.static.fln.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:46] evand, what if you just add gail-dev as an explicit build dependency to gnome-bluetooth? [06:47] I would, I'm just not sure it's right and proper :) [06:48] evand: throw libgail-dev at it === SlimG [n=slimg@84.205.58.245] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:48] ok, thanks [06:48] dunno why it'd work on your local pbuilder though [06:48] yeah, it's quite odd. [06:48] evand, according to my local box, apt-cache depends libgnomeui-dev |grep gail comes up with nothing [06:48] evand: oh, do you have b-d and b-d-i's? [06:49] eh? can you expand that [06:49] Hobbsee, you mean build dependencies an build dependencies architecture independent? === SlimG [n=slimg@84.205.58.245] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:49] yep [06:49] sorry, i'm being lazy :) [06:50] evand: what superm1 said [06:50] evand: and which arch are you building on? [06:50] Well, shouldn't gnome-bluetooth -> libgnomeui-dev -> libgnomecanvas2-dev -> libgail-dev work? [06:50] Hobbsee: amd64 === vil [n=lada@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:51] evand: it should, but answer the question about whehter there's a Build Depends Indep section of debian/control [06:51] negative, just build-dep === danohuiginn [n=dan@client-82-2-134-146.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:52] evand, you sure its a depend of libgnomecanvas2-dev? I looked at that one too - and it doesn't come up [06:52] okay, so it's not sbuild/pbuilder kludgery [06:52] sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ rdepends libgail-dev [06:52] libgail-dev [06:52] Reverse Depends: [06:52] libgnomecanvas2-dev [06:52] gnome-core-devel [06:52] ah well on feisty its not :) [06:53] libgtkhtml2-dev [06:53] libgail-gnome-dev [06:53] libeel2-dev [06:53] libatspi-dev [06:53] it should be OK. [06:53] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6087 incase anyone wanted to take a look [06:53] bah, who uses that anyway... [06:53] Package gail was not found in the pkg-config search path. [06:53] Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gail.pc' [06:53] that makes me wonder [06:54] seeing as gali.pc isnt found with dpkg -S [06:54] libgail-dev doesn't even seem to get installed in the build logs. [06:55] hrm === mitkip_ [n=julien@84.55.134.110] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:55] i'd try hardcoding libgail-dev === shin [n=sunny@76.24.1.152] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:56] yet it installs libgail-common libgail18.... [06:56] Hobbsee: because hardcoding the world has always worked so well in the past [06:57] in fact, it doesnt even grab libgnomecanvas2-dev [06:57] Hobbsee, even in a gutsy chroot, i didn't see that same result as you did for the rdepends, libgnomecanvas2-dev wasn't present [06:57]