[06:32] <tgm4883_laptop> does mytharchive make a new log file with each archive or append to the end of the last log file
[06:39] <superm1_> new
[06:42] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[06:42] <tgm4883_laptop> my cutfile isn't working rirght
[06:45] <tgm4883_laptop> :(, shouldn't the word cut be in either mythburn.log or progress.log if im using a cutfile?
[06:48] <superm1_> so you made the cutlist by going into edit mode
[06:48] <superm1_> and then told it to use the cutlist?
[06:50] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[06:50] <tgm4883_laptop> made the cutlist
[06:50] <tgm4883_laptop> then hit stop to exit.
[06:51] <tgm4883_laptop> when i went to mytharchive, it had the scissors indicating a cutlist, and i checked use cutlist
[06:54] <superm1_> weird. and that's not working?
[06:55] <tgm4883_laptop> nope
[06:55] <tgm4883_laptop> :(
[06:55] <superm1_> you can try to transcode it
[06:55] <tgm4883_laptop> tried it twice
[06:55] <superm1_> before hand
[06:55] <superm1_> with a mpeg2-mpeg2 transcode
[06:55] <tgm4883_laptop> one HD, and one SD
[06:55] <tgm4883_laptop> no reencoding?
[06:55] <superm1_> right
[06:55] <tgm4883_laptop> havent tried that
[06:55] <tgm4883_laptop> not sure i have anything in the dvd spec
[06:56] <tgm4883_laptop> unless via the stb is
[06:56] <superm1_> well the re-encoding can happen later
[06:56] <superm1_> that's not a big deal
[06:56] <superm1_> but if the cutlist is the part failing
[06:56] <superm1_> then you can cut via that transcode at least
[06:58] <tgm4883_laptop> well i'll try not reencoding it and see if that works
[06:58] <tgm4883_laptop> ive been having it make a 1 layer dvd iso
[06:58] <superm1_> yea that's a good plan
[06:58] <tgm4883_laptop> so atleast im not wasting dvds
[06:58] <superm1_> to start with
[07:01] <tgm4883_laptop> when we were talking about the dual layer problem
[07:01] <tgm4883_laptop> was that with mytharchive burning the dvd or making the iso?
[07:02] <superm1_> making the iso
[07:03] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[07:03] <superm1_> burning the dvd is no trouble
[07:03] <superm1_> but if your making a video dvd, you won't hit that anyway
[07:04] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[07:05] <tgm4883_laptop> just wanted to know as im planning on archiving my planet earth shows
[07:05] <tgm4883_laptop> 1 dvd per show
[07:05] <superm1_> you get them all in HD?
[07:05] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[07:05] <superm1_> how big was all that?
[07:06] <tgm4883_laptop> freaking awesome
[07:06] <tgm4883_laptop> let me check
[07:07] <tgm4883_laptop> 11 episodes @ 7GB each
[07:07] <superm1_> wow
[07:07] <superm1_> i wouldn't be able to justify putting that onto ordinary dvds :)
[07:08] <tgm4883_laptop> external HD/
[07:08] <superm1_> well at least in native format
[07:08] <superm1_> after snipping commercials
[07:08] <superm1_> those are likely about 4 gigs or so
[07:08] <superm1_> each
[07:09] <superm1_> so they could go on native dvds instead
[07:14] <tgm4883_laptop> ideally, not having to reduce the quality would be great.  But encoding them in the HQ encoder should produce some nice results
[07:14] <tgm4883_laptop> I will probably keep them on my file server uncompressed also
[07:15] <superm1_> well do you *need* them in dvd video?
[07:15] <superm1_> format
[07:15] <tgm4883_laptop> when i say uncompressed, i mean in their full 7gb glorry
[07:15] <tgm4883_laptop> kinda
[07:15] <superm1_> why?
[07:15] <tgm4883_laptop> my sister in law wants to see them
[07:15] <tgm4883_laptop> and she has no mythtv
[07:15] <superm1_> i see
[07:15] <tgm4883_laptop> unfortunetly
[07:15] <superm1_> and no pc hooked up either ?
[07:15] <superm1_> because they are indeed just mpeg2 files
[07:15] <tgm4883_laptop> or fortunetly, depending on how you look at it
[07:16] <superm1_> haha
[07:17] <tgm4883_laptop> well i was going to wire their house for some nice audio/video, but in the end they went with a professional company
[07:18] <tgm4883_laptop> *cough* overpriced *cough*
[07:18] <superm1_> well you know what though, it prevents you getting flak if something ever breaks
[07:18] <tgm4883_laptop> true
[07:18] <tgm4883_laptop> but it really is overprice
[07:18] <tgm4883_laptop> when the wiring costs $10000.....
[07:19] <superm1_> wtf?
[07:19] <superm1_> 10k????
[07:20] <tgm4883_laptop> its a large house, but still
[07:20] <tgm4883_laptop> ever heard of crestron?
[07:20] <superm1_> she must have compared your cost to her company's cost, and been like well "if its this expensive, i must be getting more by having these guys do it"
[07:20] <superm1_> na
[07:20] <tgm4883_laptop> my brother just thought it was too complicated
[07:21] <tgm4883_laptop> this was before he knew the price
[07:21] <tgm4883_laptop> 10000 for wireing and it doesn't do anything yet
[07:22] <superm1_> lol
[07:22] <superm1_> that's insane
[07:22] <tgm4883_laptop> its a nice system, but all proprietary coding
[07:22] <superm1_> how so?
[07:22] <superm1_> ir transmitting and such?
[07:25] <tgm4883_laptop> no ir transmitting
[07:25] <tgm4883_laptop> everything is wired
[07:25] <tgm4883_laptop> new construction only
[07:25] <tgm4883_laptop> its some heavy duty wire too, and controls the whole house
[07:26] <tgm4883_laptop> lights, audio, video, tv, phone, internet, blinds
[07:26] <superm1_> oh so its smart home esque
[07:26] <tgm4883_laptop> yea
[07:27] <tgm4883_laptop> nothing that I saw it do couldn't be done in linux with a few different programs though
[07:28] <superm1_> actually you know, i met the guy who started Mr. House
[07:29] <tgm4883_laptop> I was going to implement that in my design
[07:29] <tgm4883_laptop> how is that project going anyway?
[07:29] <superm1_> he told me that its gotten to the point that he doesn't understand a lot of the code in it now
[07:29] <superm1_> since so many people joined in on it
[07:29] <tgm4883_laptop> lol
[07:29] <superm1_> and added to it
[07:30] <tgm4883_laptop> i was looking at mr house and plutohome
[07:31] <superm1_> both are a bit pricey to setup
[07:31] <superm1_> but pluto is nice in that its got all the mythesque stuff
[07:31] <tgm4883_laptop> pluto is nice, but they didn't have any real answers for me
[07:32] <tgm4883_laptop> supposedly they have dealers, but couldn't tell me a single one when i called
[07:34] <superm1_> some business people they are huh?
[07:34] <tgm4883_laptop> i just looked up the cable for my brothers house.  It's called CresCat and has (2) Cat5e, (2) RG6, (2) RG6 plus cresnet
[07:34] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, i was ready to spend money as i needed test equipment
[07:35] <superm1_> what did you quote him?
[07:35] <tgm4883_laptop> never found a dealer
[07:35] <tgm4883_laptop> needed a couple different things to test with, orbitor, remote, etc
[07:36] <tgm4883_laptop> it was just the main components i was worried about
[07:38] <tgm4883_laptop> there website still has no dealers, they were suppose to have dealers listed in a couple months, but that was a year ago when I talked to them
[10:35] <superm1_> morning Daviey
[10:58] <DaveMorris> http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=38
[10:58] <DaveMorris> get the price refunded if you write a linux install guide they like
[01:08] <laga> superm1: i did have that mythweb.prerm, i just forgot to bzr add it, sorry :(
[04:17] <OskarL> Hello. What is up with mythfrontend not being able to disable xscreensaver?
[04:26] <DaveMorris> superm1: ^^
[04:27] <laga> OskarL: hum. it's possible that the ubuntu packages call gnome-screensaver instead
[04:31] <OskarL> laga: Thanks for the hint. You are right (or I was wrong) it stops xscreensaver, not gnome-screensaver...
[04:33] <OskarL> There is apparently a ticket for it in the mythtv trac... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3652 so maybe it will be fixed in a year or so :)
[04:35] <laga> um
[04:36] <laga> i believe this patch or a similar patch is applied to the ubuntu packages
[04:44] <OskarL> laga: It must be quite recent then. It doesn't in 0.20-svn20070122, but I'll check 0.20.1+fixes13837
[04:45] <laga> OskarL: it's debian/patches/06_gnomescreensaver.dpatch
[04:53] <OskarL> laga: That patch is quite old (December 4. 2006) 0.20-svn20070122 doesn't properly disable the screensaver for me. I will have to investigate that further... Thanks for the help
[04:54] <laga> is gnome-screensaver running for you?
[04:54] <laga> how do you notice it's unable to disable the screensaver?
[04:55] <OskarL> The screen is blanked after 5 minutes of watching tv :)
[04:55] <OskarL> could be a d-bus problem at my side though
[04:56] <laga> try gnome-screensaver --poke
[04:58] <OskarL> seems to work
[04:58] <laga> mythfrontend should do the same
[04:58] <laga> does it say anything about the screensaver in the frontend logs?
[04:59] <OskarL> it says "Gnome-Screensaver support enabled"
[04:59] <laga> hum
[05:04] <OskarL> Could the resetTimer timout interval be too long for the timer that --poke:s the screensaver?
[05:12] <tgm4883> whats the safe nvidia driver?  nv?
[05:13] <mkrufky> "safe" ?  nv is the open source one
[05:13] <mkrufky> the binary one is better, though ...  and i hate to say it
[05:14] <tgm4883> yea i know, but this guy in the forums is having some problems, and im trying to get him back into X first
[05:15] <tgm4883> he had installed the nvidia drivers from the repos, then he enabled the restricted driver.  Now his driver and module are a version mismatch
[05:15] <Hugolp> mkrufky:  its not that extrange that nvidia oficial driver is better because the open source one its being done using reverse enginering
[05:16] <Hugolp> the nvidia programers have the specs so its way easier
[05:16] <tgm4883> so if i wanted him to get into X, the nv driver should do it?  Or a different one?
[05:18] <mkrufky> Hugolp: no argument, there
[05:18] <mkrufky> tgm4883: both of them work in X
[05:18] <tgm4883> actually, now im thinking a dpkg --reconfigure might be in order.  If the screens have an unusable configuration
[05:18] <tgm4883> not in their current state of his system
[05:18] <mkrufky> the binary nvidia driver is better for hardware acceleration -- dont try HDTV with nv
[05:19] <mkrufky> about the driver and module version mismatch -- just uninstall both, then reinstall
[05:19] <tgm4883> did that
[05:19] <DaveMorris> tgm4883 vesa will allways work as a driver
[05:19] <tgm4883> now the screens have no usable config
[05:20] <DaveMorris> very slow though
[05:20] <tgm4883> maybe a dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg-video-?
[05:22] <tgm4883> can you do a reconfigure and fix the screen problem?  is it just xserver-xorg?
[05:22] <tgm4883> I figured that if I could get him into X, then i could have him post the xorg.conf, but if thats not needed then great
[05:23] <DaveMorris> you can do a reconfigure, it tells you how in the top of your X file.
[05:24] <tgm4883> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[05:24] <DaveMorris> seems right, I'm jsust looking it up on a machine at home
[05:24] <tgm4883> its if you want it auto updated
[05:24] <DaveMorris> yeah
[05:25] <DaveMorris> its the command he wants though
[05:25] <tgm4883> ok, i'll let him know
[05:28] <tgm4883> time to go check my mythburn
[05:35] <tgm4883> arg
[05:37] <tgm4883> There is no input plugin to handle the location of this movie
[05:37] <DaveMorris> whats the problem ?
[05:37] <tgm4883> anyone run across that trying to play a non re encoded dvd in totem from mythtv?
[05:38] <DaveMorris> nope
[05:38] <tgm4883> i think it roots back to me not being able to download the shows from mythweb and play them
[05:38] <tgm4883> which I think is because its a mpeg 2 transport stream, I think
[05:53] <tgm4883> I lied, just checked and I can play shows from mythweb.  Checking the iso in vlc now
[06:10] <superm1> i was called for earlier this morning?
[06:10] <superm1> laga, did you see my message about the prerm missing?
[06:11] <superm1> keescook, i tested your changes.  Your udev rules work as expected, but my myth patch doesn't seem to be so fortunate
[06:12] <superm1> keescook, i think that the way myth is populating that directory, it doesn't like to find symlinks.  I glanced for the the Qt API for QDir stuff (how it populates), and didn't see much of anything regarding following symlinks
[06:13] <superm1> manually putting in the device name in the box (/dev/v4l/by-path/pci-XXXXX-ivtv ) worked fine in the UI however
[06:17] <laga> superm1: yes. the prerm was there, i jsut forgot to commit it. it should be pushed now
[06:17] <superm1> laga, so in your local builds, it was using the prerm too?  hmmpfh
[06:18] <laga> i'd think so
[06:18] <laga> do i have to tell it to add the prerm somewhere
[06:19] <keescook> superm1: yeah, it's happy to use whatever you type into the UI.  I have a specific-to-my-cards udev rule that builds symlinks for /dev/video-pvr250 and /dev/video-pchd
[06:19] <keescook> the feedback I got from udev upstream wasn't positive, but they didn't have a better suggestion yet, so I'm waiting to hear back about it.
[06:20] <superm1> laga, as long as you have the line in debian/rules indicating that they are present (the line slips my mind), then it will know.
[06:20] <superm1> keescook, what was the negative feedback re: it?
[06:20] <superm1> "Hackish"?
[06:21] <keescook> superm1: yeah, basically, Keybuk (ubuntu maintainer of udev) showed it to Kay (udev upstream) while they were in a presentation at GUADEC.  The feedback on got was "Key is making faces", and "can't HAL do this?".  I said I was interested in options, but they had to run off to the next presentation.  :P
[06:22] <superm1> but hal is only present on boxes with X?
[06:22] <superm1> is it not?
[06:22] <superm1> (by default)
[06:22] <keescook> I don't think HAL can do it in a useful way, and while it's a hack, it's easier than fixing v4l, since we need a solution for the ordering issue _now_.
[06:22] <keescook> I'm actually not sure where hal fits.
[06:23] <superm1> and its not like it breaks anything
[06:26] <keescook> right.  though I suspect the worry is creating a bad solution that becomes a compatibility problem in the future.  I don't think it'd be very serious, though.
[06:29] <superm1> I won't be able to do any more prodding with that patch again until after ULive, so there is plenty of time here for the interim
[06:32] <superm1> laga, could you pastebin a diff -urN fixes/debian trunk/debian (well without that one patch i have for mythweb - that will be huge)?  I don't have either branch immediately available to me.
[06:32] <laga> superm1: not at the moment, i'm about to run
[06:33] <superm1> ah k
[06:33] <laga> heh
[06:33] <superm1> foxbuntu___, u present?
[06:55] <tgm4883> superm1, i checked the archive i made last night.  Commercials were gone, but half the show was missing and there was a problem with stuttering (probably due to either it being an analog recording over firewire, or because I was watching a movie on the same machine at the same time).  Doing another test now, but what are your thoughts on archiving on the same machine that also records?
[06:55] <tgm4883> i gotta think im pushing the machine pretty hard here
[06:58] <superm1> well i don't think that it should push it that hard
[06:58] <superm1> since transcode is a background processs
[06:59] <tgm4883> hmm
[06:59] <tgm4883> interesting.  I was always told (over in videohelp.com) that you shouldn't use a machine that is encoding. (general rule of thumb)
[07:00] <tgm4883> This machine's load average:
[07:00] <tgm4883>     * 1 Minute: 3.3
[07:00] <tgm4883>     * 5 Minutes: 3.57
[07:00] <tgm4883>     * 15 Minutes: 2.77
[07:00] <superm1> well the process is niced down to i think 15
[07:00] <tgm4883> its also recording 1 show in HD while comm flagging
[07:00] <superm1> which is pretty low on the priority scale
[07:01] <tgm4883> So the priority is low, can that be changed?
[07:01] <tgm4883> via a frontend or backend setup
[07:02] <superm1> well that shouldnt be the reason half the show was mising though
[07:02] <superm1> i've gotta rn though.  i'll be back in ~hr
[07:03] <superm1> can tchat more then
[07:03] <tgm4883> i didn't think it was
[07:03] <tgm4883> ok
[07:04] <tgm4883> on a different note, if anyone knows if they are showing planet earth jungles in HD again let me know, somehow it got erased off my system.
[10:00] <reclusivemonkey_> hello everyone
[10:02] <superm1> hey reclusivemonkey_
[10:02] <superm1> tgm4883, i'm back
[10:02] <reclusivemonkey_> hi superm1; I am pretty excited today. I got my iMON VFD finally! Just trying to get it to work now...
[10:03] <superm1> :)
[10:37] <reclusivemonkey> hello again, does anyone have any experience with LIRC in feisty?
[10:47] <superm1> reclusivemonkey, yes
[10:47] <reclusivemonkey> superm1: thanks; I just got a link from someone in #ubuntu-uk; checking that out now
[10:48] <superm1> reclusivemonkey, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty ?
[10:48] <reclusivemonkey> superm1: that's the one =] 
[10:49] <superm1> it's a wee bit complex as many people have pointed out, expect things to be getting easier with gutsy
[10:49] <superm1> Daviey, ping
[10:50] <reclusivemonkey> superm1: that's good news. I am hanging on for gutsy to try out the mythbuntu and this iMON will move into my mythtv box then. I am trying it out on my desktop for now
[10:50] <Daviey> superm1: pong
[10:50] <superm1> Daviey, gonna have some time for some hardcore meta action this weekend?
[10:51] <Daviey> I'll have to :S
[10:51] <Daviey> I've been so rushed off my feet at the moment, but i'll certainly find sometime
[10:52] <superm1> good good
[10:52] <reclusivemonkey> ah Daviey, you're here too =]  I think I'll keep it all in here
[10:52] <superm1> Chadarius started on the control centre
[10:52] <superm1> afaik
[10:52] <Daviey> awesome, any screen shots
[10:52] <superm1> and i've got live-autostart chugging along
[10:52] <superm1> of the control centre or the live autostart?
[10:52] <Daviey> i made a python+gtk scratch for lirc mapping - but not that effective atm
[10:53] <Daviey> what is live autostart.. being seeing it on the MOTU mailinglist
[10:53] <superm1> http://www.mythbuntu.org/~supermario/mythbuntu/7.10-screenshots/mythbuntu-live-autostart/
[10:53] <superm1> it configures all the "other stuff" in live frontend mode
[10:53] <Daviey> wow!
[10:53] <superm1> and stores the changes to a flash drive
[10:54] <superm1> 0.1 and 0.2 were uploaded, i'm working on adding lirc support for it
[10:54] <superm1> but just like ubiquity it needs that lircd->lircrc parser ready now
[10:54] <Daviey> superm1: you're zooming!
[10:55] <superm1> i was testing it last night and i've got it to the point where you plug in the flash drive, and start that app.  you choose everything you want and hit save and start
[10:55] <superm1> it does magic
[10:55] <superm1> and then you can pull the cd and flash drive
[10:55] <superm1> go to another machine
[10:55] <superm1> and plug both in
[10:55] <superm1> and it magically repeats it all
[10:55] <Daviey> so on boot, does it overwrite /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt etc?
[10:56] <superm1> yes
[10:56] <superm1> and lircd.conf
[10:56] <superm1> and hardware.conf
[10:56] <superm1> and does those mounts for you
[10:56] <superm1> and adjusts $HOME
[10:56] <superm1> to use .mythtv on a flash drive
[10:56] <superm1> or other media device
[10:56] <superm1> haha
[10:56] <Daviey> well done.
[10:57] <superm1> thanks.  so get your meta going and work some magic already ;)
[10:57] <Daviey> yes sir!
[10:57] <Daviey> any news on the auto-detection of cards?
[10:58] <superm1> well as mkrufky mentioned, cx88-dvb autoloading should be fixed in 2.6.22
[10:58] <superm1> i haven't put anything in yet to try to detect cards a'la mythtv-setup does though
[10:58] <Daviey> naa, i mean for setting up mythtv chans etc
[10:59] <mkrufky> 2.6.21
[10:59] <mkrufky> oh....  in ubuntu-land, yeah... 2.6.22
[10:59] <Daviey> kernel support is fine, but i mean populating the database
[11:00] <superm1> i have focused around ironing out these other odds and ends before thinking about that
[11:00] <Daviey> once that is sorted we can work towards xmltv setup aswell
[11:00] <superm1> it's going to turn into a lot of code duplication i'd think from mythtv-setup
[11:00] <Daviey> wasn't keescook looking into that?
[11:00] <superm1> well keescook was doing a udev rule
[11:01] <superm1> that allowed for video0 and video1 to swap places
[11:01] <Daviey> oh
[11:01] <superm1> for which i was trying to do a mythtv patch to use those symlinked files
[11:01] <superm1> but haven't had much luck as of yet with the results
[11:01] <superm1> er symlinked devices
[11:25] <reclusivemonkey> woo hoo! well now IRW is giving me some output =]  thanks Daviey that link worked a treat. I had to fiddle a little but I got there in the end
[11:46] <superm1> foxxbuntu, hey
[12:00] <tgm4883> superm1, I have tested it again with a non HD program from an HD channel.  This seems to be working much much better.  I did re encode it at the same time and it worked beautifully.  I did make sure that the cutlist was loaded (I thought it was last time too) and they are gone too.  I'll now go back and try the original program that I was working with the first time
[12:02] <superm1> sounds good