[01:35] <greg> is anyone here testing thi tribe 3 iso?
[01:35] <greg> the that is
[01:40] <retour> What e-mail client to install to preserve amazing speed of Xubuntu?
[01:54] <BFTD> is there a linux version of quicken?
[01:55] <BFTD> or something that can import quicken files?
[02:06] <retour> What e-mail client to install to preserve amazing speed of Xubuntu?
[02:09] <Pumpernickel> retour: Pine.
[02:09] <retour> Thank You!
[02:10] <retour> I was using KMail before on Mandriva. Is it a way Pine can import my old mails from it etc?
[02:11] <Pumpernickel> I wouldn't thank me quite yet - pine is definitely a change from KMail.
[02:12] <retour> Well if its really faster I may consider it (I saved my contacts in HTML file would it be useful for Pine?
[02:12] <Pumpernickel> BFTD: GNUcash.
[02:12] <dmdzine> xubuntu it is really fast
[02:12] <dmdzine> :)
[02:13] <dmdzine> or... XUBUNTU. Faster than Blazing Lightning.
[02:14] <retour> I have xubuntu already - HUGHE difference from Mandriva on KDE. Most important is that I couldnt play my game under Mandriva/KDE, Ubuntu was also so so but xubuntu saved me another year at least before I have to buy new hardware
[02:15] <dmdzine> I know...
[02:15] <retour> Or how to say that: in office like use was less noticable but in 3D performance is much better. I wonder if ALL of this is because XFCE?
[02:15] <dmdzine> it is so wicked cool
[02:15] <dmdzine> actually,
[02:16] <dmdzine> i thought that the office uses were much much much faster, whereas hardware intensive uses (i.e., 3d gaming...) were not much better
[02:16] <solowlr> greetings all
[02:16] <dmdzine> I do have a very old computer running it though...
[02:16] <solowlr> how do I add an application to the top panel in xubuntu?
[02:17] <solowlr> right click seems to just run the app...
[02:17] <dmdzine> 2001  DELL XPS B... 933MHZ Pentium III, 128 mb RAM, 32mb NVIDIA graphics...
[02:17] <retour> Now I have to install e-mail client. And I dont care to be speedy opening mails. I just want to be sure whatever client it will be it dependent libraries I have install wont kill my 3D performance or system speed as general
[02:17] <dmdzine> Maybe thunderbird?
[02:18] <dmdzine> very cool, very nice program...luv it
[02:20] <retour> Well if I wont pay with system performance I would install KMail. PIII 500MHz (OC'ed to 560MHz) + 389MB RAM + Nvidia Geforce 4. Enemy Territory + quite demanding mod to it True Combat Elite run pretty well
[02:21] <dmdzine> um...try Mozilla Thunderbird... seems to run well on just about anything...fast, effective, nice
[02:23] <Drew3b> The lightest-fastest mail client is possibly Claws or Sypheed, I switched to Thunderbird for simplicity; not sure CLaws or Sypheed ate in .deb.
[02:24] <dmdzine> yep...thunderbird...easy, fast, effective, nice...O:-)
[02:26] <retour> Oh Yeah! remember Sylpheed - default client for Damn Small Linux - lightning fast distro but somewhat servicing oriented. But runs well on my P200MMX with 64MB RAM
[02:28] <solowlr> I'd like to create a shortcut to Terminal on the desktop, any ideas?
[02:28] <dmdzine> solowlr, try dragging?
[02:29] <dmdzine> or right click desktop and create a launcher pointing to Terminal
[02:30] <solowlr> dragging doesn't work from the applications menu, and right click just runs the program
[02:30] <retour> OK time to go and experiment. But if I tell SYnaptic to remove package completely it will be weeded out with all the dependent packages?
[02:30] <dmdzine> right click on *desktop*
[04:20] <pamperofirpo> !cups
[04:20] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with CUPS. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[04:54] <damo22> hi whats the command to capture screenshot in xubuntu
[04:57] <odat> hi everyone
[04:57] <Jester45> hi
[04:57] <odat> i have a second harddrive installed and i see it on my desktop
[04:57] <odat> i can access it if i enter an administrator password
[04:57] <odat> how can i have this not do that
[04:58] <Jester45> when you access it where does it send you
[04:58] <Jester45> /dev/hdb1?
[04:58] <Jester45> eer /dev/*
[05:52] <Drew3b> I give up, where can system fonts be adjusted(bigger)? Window headers are done, not yet, the application menu or similiar fonts
[05:52] <vidd> ?
[05:54] <Drew3b> The top of each window fonts, are made larger in window setting dialog/control panel. I need the rest of the system/giu fonts larger.
[05:55] <vidd> oh...why not just go to a smaller resolution?
[05:57] <Drew3b> That is one solution. but that makes the screen effectively a lot smaller.
[05:59] <vidd> do you REALLYneed all that real estate?
[06:00] <Drew3b> Yes, either that of add a 5th monitor :-)
[06:00] <Jester45> yes i bet he does
[06:00] <Jester45> vidd, you just used to 15" screen :)
[06:00] <Jester45> Drew3b, have you logged out or rebooted after the chagne
[06:01] <Jester45> you have to get the fonts to change
[06:01] <Drew3b> logged out yes, rebooted no.
[06:01] <vidd> so are you saying im spoiled? or sheltered?
[06:01] <Jester45> well you can try reboot or maybe just a gdm restart
[06:02] <Jester45> opposite of spoiled
[06:02] <Jester45> Drew3b, try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart       it will log you out instantly
[06:03] <Drew3b> ok ty,
[06:03] <Jester45> its allmost the same as a reboot
[06:12] <Drew3b> Noope, restart didn't do it  :-)  <shrug>
[06:27] <xubuntunoob> my friend burned a copy of xubuntu cd for me, but when i tried to run it live, i din't get a task bar accross the top with the 'applications', firefox icon, etc... that i see on the screenshots page at xubuntu website; does that mean that there might be errors on the disk, or am i missing some step to get going?  anyone ever have this prob?
[06:29] <vidd> yeah....its a know issue
[06:29] <Drew3b> Is it an issue on the 6.10 cd's? or just 7.04?
[06:29] <vidd> is your live cd running, or did you already install?
[06:30] <vidd> Drew3b, dunno...i never use the live cd
[06:31] <vidd> its WAYto buggy to be a "first choice" at least in my opinion
[06:31] <xubuntunoob> so, ezackly what are you saying... what's the other options for 'first choice'?
[06:32] <Jester45> xubuntunoob, the alt cd
[06:32] <vidd> the "alt" cd...
[06:32] <Drew3b> It was the same for me, in 7.04, but it installed.
[06:32] <Jester45> http://vidd.us/downloads/xubuntu-7.04-alternate-i386.iso
[06:33] <vidd> personally ... ithink the "live" should be labled "rescue" and the "alt" listed as installer"
[06:33] <xubuntunoob> i don't get it; where's the alt cd, i thought we downloaded the latest stable version?
[06:33] <Jester45> alt X86 cd
[06:33] <xubuntunoob> so the alt cd you load just like the live cd?
[06:33] <vidd> you got the latest stable LIVE cd
[06:33] <Jester45> xubuntunoob, the "desktop" cd is the live cd the alt doesnt boot an entire DE
[06:33] <vidd> the alt cd was about 1/2 a page lower
[06:34] <Jester45> if you can call it stable :)
[06:35] <xubuntunoob> well, what is it that you like about it if it's not stable? teach me the ways...
[06:35] <Jester45> if you can call it stable :)
[06:35] <vidd> the alt cd? it IS stable....
[06:36] <vidd> that installer has been used....what? 4 years now?
[06:36] <Jester45> xubuntunoob, some of us mess our systems up to where they dont boot right... so we keep a live cd so we can access the files on the harddrive to beable to fix it
[06:36] <xubuntunoob> i have an older dell that i need a lite system on to send to some po folks in central america
[06:36] <vidd> live cd is MAYBE 2?
[06:37] <vidd> get the alt cd...follow the instructions on the screen...dont be afraid of the "no mouse needed" installer
[06:37] <Jester45> vidd, it was -2 months from the release of feisty... but the alt cd is based from debain so thats a added 10 years
[06:37] <Jester45> yep just tab to select things and enter to ... enter them
[06:38] <vidd> they had the live cd for breezy
[06:39] <vidd> i remember...they even shipit'd you a live and an alt then
[06:39] <xubuntunoob> ok ... how heavy is it?  could i go to 24 hour walmart and get a usb stick to load it to to transfer it to the other laptop?
[06:39] <Drew3b> ~/.config/xfce4   <---where would I look for that?
[06:39] <Jester45> o well its 2+ years
[06:39] <Jester45> xubuntunoob, its same size as live, but you can get the mini iso its only 9mb
[06:40] <vidd> xubuntunoob, IF YOU WANT TINY DOWNLOAD, AND HAVE A GOOD INTERNET CONECTION...GET THE ALT CD
[06:40] <Jester45> vidd, did you mean the mini?
[06:40] <vidd> *mini*
[06:40] <Warp4> Drew3b, ~ means that the you would look for that in your home directory
[06:40] <Jester45> as the alt is about the same
[06:41] <vidd> i have that on my site too...
[06:41] <vidd> Jester45, post the link
[06:41] <Jester45> Drew3b, ~/ is home for that user so ~/.xfce would be /home/user/.xfce
[06:41] <Jester45> http://vidd.us/downloads/mini.iso
[06:41] <xubuntunoob> but i don't have a burner, so that's why i was axing about usb stick ... but i have a couple of lite 128mb sticks here, they would be large enough to start the install and get it up and running?
[06:41] <vidd> XD
[06:42] <vidd> might just as well use the live...since you have it
[06:43] <xubuntunoob> vidd: but the live isn't rendering a complete desktop to me
[06:43] <vidd> just click the install, follow the prompts...and when its done, come  back to get your desktop to work right
[06:43] <vidd> its a know issue, and we can walk you thru the cure
[06:43] <Warp4_work> xubuntunoob, "isnt rendering a complete desktop"?
[06:43] <vidd> no panel
[06:44] <Jester45> Warp4_work, no top panel, maybe none at all
[06:44] <xubuntunoob> ok, of course with cheapos like me (po folks) it's more complicated
[06:44] <vidd> xubuntunoob, dont worry....you dont need it for the install
[06:44] <Warp4_work> Jester45, ah, ok
[06:44] <Warp4_work> Jester45, ah ok, that's odd
[06:45] <vidd> and it is a rather easy fix once the install is complete
[06:45] <Jester45> Warp4_work, its a bug
[06:45] <Warp4_work> which brings me to ask, anyone else using Xubuntu under VMware like I am currently?
[06:45] <vidd> Warp4_work, odd???? it a KNOWNissue!
[06:45] <Jester45> vidd, all you have to do is add the panels?
[06:45] <vidd> yep
[06:45] <Warp4_work> Jester45, ah, ok.
[06:46] <Warp4_work> Jester45, haven't tried it under that yet.  Any problems??
[06:46] <Warp4_work> vidd, hrmm, guess I didn't know that, but do now.
[06:46] <Jester45> nope
[06:46] <Warp4_work> Jester45, ah, ok.  Will have to try that when i get home then.
[06:46] <xubuntunoob> i'm on my regular desktop now, which is where i tried out the live cd, but i couldn't try it on the other older dell laptop, because it's not recognizing it's cd drive ...arrrrrggggghhhhh, hence, me wondering how to join the two?  would the cd drive in my latitude 600 fit interchangeablely into the other older laptop?
[06:47] <vidd> Jester45 used the alt install or the mini...so of COUSE there are no issues
[06:47] <vidd> xubuntunoob, dunno....
[06:47] <Warp4_work> vidd, I used the regular CD to install the OS under VMWare 6.  That's why I asked.
[06:48] <vidd> you probably just need to tweek the bios to set the boot order to boot from cd first
[06:48] <Warp4_work> anyway, back to work for me.  so much code to write, so little time! :)
[06:48] <vidd> Warp4_work, define regular
[06:48] <Warp4_work> vidd, the live cd
[06:48] <vidd> sorry to hear that
[06:48] <Warp4_work> as in no the mini or alt
[06:48] <vidd> =] 
[06:48] <Warp4_work> heh
[06:48] <xubuntunoob> vidd: nope, bios is froze up on it
[06:49] <xubuntunoob> got to get it right to the hd i think
[06:49] <vidd> ???
[06:49] <vidd> froze up??? as in password protected?
[06:50] <xubuntunoob> vidd: no, it just won't scroll thru like its sposed to to get to boot devices
[06:50] <xubuntunoob> everything is a mission
[06:50] <xubuntunoob> lol
[06:50] <vidd> then point your browser to the bios update and flash it
[06:51] <xubuntunoob> ok, but i don't know how to do that either
[06:51] <vidd> let it be the last ting M$ does on the system!
[06:51] <xubuntunoob> god i hate ms
[06:51] <vidd> who made the laptop?
[06:52] <xubuntunoob> the older one is also a dell CPi it says
[06:52] <xubuntunoob> the one i'm on lat 600
[06:53] <vidd> so go to dell's website and search thier support for your model
[06:53] <vidd> for the old one...ONthe old one....
[06:53] <xubuntunoob> and that's where i find the bios flash?
[06:53] <vidd> yes
[06:53] <vidd> and you run it from M$
[06:54] <xubuntunoob> is that just a simple download process?
[06:54] <vidd> download then execute
[06:54] <vidd> (dont forget to vross your fingers and pray)
[06:55] <vidd> *cross*
[06:55] <xubuntunoob> could i download to a flash usb on this machine and then put it on the other one?
[06:55] <vidd> its not required...but it wont hurt
[06:55] <vidd> you should be able to
[06:55] <xubuntunoob> hmmmmmm....
[06:56] <xubuntunoob> doesn't need a lot of space on the drive?
[06:56] <vidd> its just easier if you do it from the old laptop so you can use the "detect my hardware"
[06:56] <vidd> no...they are usually less then 1MB
[06:57] <xubuntunoob> i know, but another complication.  i am connected from my modem to this comp by ethernet, but the older one doesn't have ethernet connnector
[06:57] <xubuntunoob> yes, everything is a miision
[06:58] <xubuntunoob> mission
[06:59] <xubuntunoob> ok, thanks guys; i go away now and try some of these errands you have sent me on
[07:00] <gerro> hmm
[07:00] <vidd> what?
[07:00] <gerro> trying to login with tinyirc
[07:02] <Jester45> hi maxamillion
[07:02] <vidd> *wave* maxamillion
[07:02] <maxamillion> hi hi
[07:02] <gerro> I keep getting this error "481 Permission Denied - You're not an IRC operator"
[07:02] <maxamillion> how is everyone this evening
[07:03] <maxamillion> gerro: what are you trying to do?
[07:03] <gerro> maxamillion: use tinyirc something I found in repository
[07:04] <Jester45> yep about time for him to go bye bye
[07:04] <a_n_n_e`> hello, who can help me install my a4tech webcam with mic?
[07:04] <maxamillion> gerro: oh, you are running your own irc server?
[07:04] <gerro> maxamillion: i did /connect irc.ubuntu.com after typing tinyirc into terminal
[07:04] <maxamillion> a_n_n_e`: we can try
[07:04] <gerro> umm not that I know of
[07:04] <a_n_n_e`> my mic does not work
[07:04] <maxamillion> gerro: oh, you just want a command line irc client?
[07:04] <a_n_n_e`> tnx maxamillion
[07:04] <gerro> yeah that what I'm using
[07:05] <gerro> a_n_n_e`: a4tech?
[07:05] <a_n_n_e`> yep
[07:06] <a_n_n_e`> i can hear my voice but the other person im talkin to online couldn't hear me
[07:06] <agentnoob> yay it works!
[07:07] <gerro> I had to do "tinyirc irc.ubuntu.com" to launch it properly
[07:09] <Jester45> why irc.ubuntu.com
[07:09] <a_n_n_e`> can anyone help me?
[07:09] <gerro> a_n_n_e`: what went wrong?
[07:10] <gerro> Jester45: incase ubuntu ever changes where its irc is hosted
[07:10] <a_n_n_e`> i bought an a4tech webcam with mic, my webcam is workin but my mic isn't, what could be the problem?
[07:10] <a_n_n_e`> i can hear my voice but the other person im talkin to online couldn't hear me
[07:10] <Jester45> he is trying to get his mic working on his a4tech webcam
[07:10] <gerro> a_n_n_e`: have you tried playing with the mixer? there are loads of sound options
[07:10] <a_n_n_e`> where can i find it?
[07:11] <gerro> a_n_n_e`: right click panel and choose add new item then choose sound mixer then click it and play around with options
[07:11] <Jester45> a_n_n_e`, if you can hear your voice from the speakers then theres nothing wrong with the webcame
[07:12] <a_n_n_e`> ok i'll try, tnx much
[07:12] <Jester45> gerro, is it a diffrent irc channel/server ? or does it just forward freenode
[07:12] <gerro> I'm connected to it now so I guess it forwards freenode
[07:12] <Jester45> so why not just freenode
[07:13] <gerro> because your evil twin on irc.ubuntu.com doesn't pick on me as much :P
[07:13] <Jester45> aa
[07:13] <Jester45> i need to teach Jester54 metter
[07:15] <Jester45> better
[07:16] <maxamillion> ubuntu has its own irc network?
[07:16] <Jester45> it just forwards freenode
[07:17] <maxamillion> oh
[07:17] <maxamillion> lol
[07:17] <maxamillion> Jester45: so the 'evil twin' would be you?
[07:17] <Jester45> no
[07:17] <Jester45> it would be Jester54
[07:18] <maxamillion> ohhh, sorry... i missed the dislexic moment the trailing integer had
[07:18] <Jester45> i wonder if someone has ever wrote down all possible floating point numbers
[07:19] <maxamillion> newNick = evilTwin(nick,switch(nickNums));
[07:19] <maxamillion> :P
[07:19] <Jester45> or even has them all printed on a plain text doc
[07:19] <maxamillion> Jester45: wait ... all possible or all possible within the finite spectrum of computing?
[07:19] <Jester45> good bye zelazny
[07:20] <maxamillion> :(
[07:20] <Jester45> they had a good empting of nicks
[07:21] <Jester45> wonder how it looked on #ubuntu
[07:21] <a_n_n_e`> a_n_n_e`: right click panel and choose add new item then choose sound mixer then click it and play around with options ...i am using winxp how do i get there?
[07:22] <Jester45> ??? you cant customize windows like that :0
[07:22] <maxamillion> a_n_n_e`: this channel does not provide support for the WindowsXP operating system, please seek help else where and if you were to find yourself needing support for the Xubuntu distribution of the GNU/Linux operating system then someone in our irc channel would be more than willing to help
[07:23] <xubuntunoob> vidd: omg. i am more confused than ever.  the older laptop is dell lat cpi D300XT, currently using bios version A11.  when i search for cpi bios update on dell site there are 2150 hits for the search; how do i know what upgrade to choose?
[07:23] <Jester45> !windows
[07:23] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[07:23] <Jester45> the higest number should be best
[07:24] <xubuntunoob> the highest number will be compatible with this old machine you think?
[07:24] <Jester45> idk if its an update for that machine then yes
[07:24] <Jester45> but dont just get a higher number because its there
[07:25] <xubuntunoob> maybe this job too big for me ... arrrrrrggggghhhhh.
[07:25] <xubuntunoob> i scawed.
[07:26] <xubuntunoob> i go back and look some more
[07:27] <Jester45> it still looked better than gtk1
[07:27] <gerro> g2g having some more fun
[07:42] <xubuntunoob> anyone know where to find the service tag on dell lat cpi D300XT?
[07:47] <xubuntunoob> god i think i will never get this machine running
[08:08] <Redimere> So whose alive
[08:08] <Jester45> you
[08:08] <Redimere> You are correct sir
[08:10] <xubuntunoob> vidd: u still here
[08:10] <Jester45> no hes sleepin
[08:10] <Redimere> who sleeps
[08:10] <Redimere> honestly
[08:10] <Jester45> lol
[08:10] <xubuntunoob> mm
[08:11] <Redimere> xubuntunoob: So what did you break
[08:11] <Jester45> at least it seems like it to a lot of people
[08:11] <xubuntunoob> Redimere: how well you know me
[08:11] <Jester45> i say on till 4 in the morning and sleep then get on at 8
[08:11] <xubuntunoob> lol
[08:12] <xubuntunoob> actually, i *fixed* something
[08:12] <Redimere> oo impressive
[08:12] <Redimere> what'd the fixing break?
[08:12] <Jester45> when people say mmm its kinda obvious
[08:12] <xubuntunoob> good question
[08:12] <Jester45> or when they ask if someone is still on that was helping them
[08:12] <Jester45> hey look
[08:12] <xubuntunoob> ok, heres what i did.  switched the cd drives between the old dell and the older dell
[08:13] <xubuntunoob> now the older dell is recognizing the cd drive
[08:13] <Jester45> freenode is back to its healthy self again
[08:14] <xubuntunoob> and i have the live cd loaded in it; how do i extract the files and install xubuntu from here?  help!
[08:14] <Jester45> and the old dell dont reconnize the older drive? if so you might have a broken drive
[08:14] <Jester45> xubuntunoob, on the desktop click install
[08:14] <Redimere> xubuntunoob: there should be an icon on the desktop
[08:14] <xubuntunoob> no, the funny thing is, now i put the older drive in the newer computer, and it's functioning with ubuntu in it
[08:14] <xubuntunoob> go figure
[08:14] <Jester45> answer the questions let  the partitioner auto do its mojo and your done
[08:15] <Jester45> o betwwen mojo and done insert wait
[08:15] <Redimere> sprechen ze duestch?
[08:16] <xubuntunoob> ok, but i still don't know what you mean; i don't have a xubuntu icon on my desktop; just in 'my computer' its displaying xubuntu 704
[08:16] <Redimere> ohh
[08:16] <Redimere> you have to stop it and tell the computer to boot from the CD
[08:16] <Jester45> xubuntunoob, you might want to manualy partition. make a swap around 2x the memory on it. make a 1-2gb / and put the rest on /home
[08:16] <Redimere> Jester45: He's not actually booted to the live cd yet I think
[08:17] <Redimere> xubuntunoob: Do you know how to boot to a CD?
[08:17] <xubuntunoob> oh crap, back to the same problem then, my bios is froze and i can't get it to boot from alternate source
[08:17] <Jester45> aarrrg zelazny is  is messingup a lot
[08:17] <Redimere> it's not your bios
[08:17] <xubuntunoob> ya, i boot live on this one, but that one wont
[08:17] <Jester45> xubuntunoob, try removing the harddrive, or discconnecting the cable
[08:17] <Jester45> see if it boots at all
[08:18] <Jester45> with cd in still
[08:19] <Jester45> well... i had a late work day i think im gonna do that thing forbidden by many geeks
[08:19] <Jester45> sleep
[08:19] <Redimere> later Jester45
[08:20] <Jester45> little brother
[08:21] <Jester45> lol
[08:21] <xubuntunoob> whyw
[08:21] <xubuntunoob> ddd
[08:21] <Jester45> i wore the same work shirt for 3 days now
[08:21] <Jester45> i think it needs a wash
[08:21] <Redimere> nah
[08:21] <Redimere> febreeze it
[08:21] <Jester45> lol
[08:42] <mikeyhatesms> hey guys, i'm  baaaaaAAAAAAAAAccccccckkkk...
[08:42] <mikeyhatesms> it's me, xubuntunoob
[08:42] <mikeyhatesms> can't change my nick, though
[08:43] <mikeyhatesms> Redemere: you still here?
[08:45] <mikeyhatesms> the cd drive crapped out and crashed my ubuntu live cd, so it took me this long to boot up windows (the antichrist version), get to seamonkey, pull up chatzilla, and viola, just like that i'm baaaaaaaacccccccccccckkkkkkkkk.  so can someone help me install the xubuntu from the cd in my other old machine?
[08:46] <xubuntunoob> oh, kool, i'm xubuntunoob again.
[08:48] <xubuntunoob> i have ice tea, vanilla milk, diet pepsi, or beer for anyone that can assist ... lol
[08:51] <xubuntunoob> here's where i'm at.  the xubuntu cd is in the other machine.  i pulled up the control panel.  i clicked 'add/remove' programs, and now its axing me to click install to add a program from floppy or cdrom drive... is that what i want to do?
[08:54] <xubuntunoob> if a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it; did it fall?
[08:55] <xubuntunoob> guess everybody busy, i'll go outside and have a smoke...
[09:01] <xubuntunoob> please. can anyone help me instal x?
[09:03] <xubuntunoob> must be someone who could help me install
[09:04] <xubuntunoob> got no issues with having to save files or anything; it's a 'new' old machine
[09:05] <xubuntunoob> just need to know how to get the process started, and i can prolly take it from there
[09:21] <magic_ninja> is there an emulator tool for the cmd.exe in windows wp
[09:45] <Redimere> h'okay
[09:45] <Redimere> Whose alive now
[09:47] <Warp4_work> heh
[09:47] <Redimere> yay insomniacs or aussies
[09:47] <Warp4_work> magic_ninja, why?  to run windows applications?
[09:47] <Warp4_work> Redimere, or those of us linux admins at work at this late hour :)
[09:48] <Redimere> You guys hiring
[09:48] <Warp4_work> nope
[09:49] <Warp4_work> we just hired a new guy a couple weeks ago
[09:49] <Redimere> damn
[09:49] <Redimere> do you know much C?
[09:49] <Warp4_work> nah
[09:49] <Redimere> fack
[09:49] <Redimere> I need to stop going into unexplored terrain when nobody else is awake
[09:57] <magic_ninja> Warp4_work: na man, sec i'll get you a link to what i need to do
[10:00] <magic_ninja> http://redvex.d2help.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=192  view the first screenshot man....its basically a proxy for diablo II stuff but in order to run it I need to drag and drop the redvex file into the Patch.exe which opens in a command prompt, but that won't work, and doing a wine Patch.exe RedVex.exe just returns that the files to patch don't exist
[10:01] <magic_ninja> my guess is something to do with the windows api, and wine issues
[10:24] <Warp4_work> magic_ninja, you could always run windows under virtualbox or vmware
[12:49] <magic_ninja> Warp4_work: the only problem with that is then i would have to install windows and stuff and a new game, and i bet the hash for that prog is generated from your registry and such
[12:49] <magic_ninja> Warp4_work: i was thinking of just compiling hte prog myself and leaving out the patch
[01:36] <odat> anyone in here familiar with banshee
[01:41] <Pumpernickel> !anyone
[01:41] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[01:45] <odat> why doesn't the radio in banshee work?
[01:45] <Pumpernickel> magic_ninja: Wine can present a full desktop, which should let you do the drag'n'drop thing.
[01:46] <Pumpernickel> odat: It could be many things.  The streaming server might be down.  You could be missing a library.  There could be a bug.
[01:46] <Pumpernickel> An error message of some kind would help.
[01:53] <magic_ninja> Pumpernickel: the only problem with that is that when I run the program nothing happens, its supposed to run in a cmd.exe prompt for winxp, and when i run it in terminal the program works correctly but i can't drag n drop it unless wine has some kind of ms-dos prompt
[01:53] <magic_ninja> Pumpernickel: http://redvex.d2help.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=192
[01:54] <magic_ninja> Pumpernickel: the thread means nothing, but that first screenshot is what the program is supposed to do
[02:02] <odat> Pumpernickel, i think i'm missing a library but i'm not sure which one
[02:07] <Pumpernickel> magic_ninja: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=1196
[02:09] <magic_ninja> Pumpernickel: thank you so much man, i spent 2 hours looking for that last night, i was about to attempt to compile it from source ommiting the patch function
[03:55] <magic_ninja> is having 4 or 5 getty processes running normal?
[04:21] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: yes
[04:26] <magic_ninja> TheSheep: i had to restart x sheep, what did you answer lol
[04:26] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: affirmative
[04:26] <magic_ninja> TheSheep: what was my question lol
[04:26] <TheSheep> 15:55 < magic_ninja> is having 4 or 5 getty processes running normal?
[04:27] <magic_ninja> ohh ok
[04:27] <TheSheep> you have one for every virtual console
[04:27] <magic_ninja> man, i dont have a windows box, and i need a copy of cmd.exe lol, i got the cd but not the box
[04:27] <magic_ninja> what about ssh-agent, thats for your logins and such right
[04:28] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: no, ssh-agent is for handling ssh connections, the remote ones
[04:28] <TheSheep> for authenticating with keys automatically and such
[04:28] <magic_ninja> so i might have a compromised box
[04:28] <TheSheep> why?
[04:29] <TheSheep> ssh agent is started automatically in *ubuntu, afair
[04:29] <magic_ninja> i have three questionable processes
[04:29] <magic_ninja> ssh-agent, sh and system-tools-backends
[04:29] <TheSheep> hah
[04:30] <magic_ninja> that is not normal correct?
[04:30] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: it's normal
[04:30] <magic_ninja> well i don't want an ssh-agent running if it leaves my box open to connections
[04:33] <TheSheep> it doesn't, ssh-agent doesn't accepts connections by itself, it's sshd that does
[04:34] <TheSheep> magic_ninja: here, compare with mine: http://sheep.art.pl/Sandbox
[04:35] <magic_ninja> looks good
[04:35] <magic_ninja> ty
[05:05] <tech404> anyone feel that ubuntu server would be a good alternative to debian stable for servers?
[05:06] <pleia2> sure, you'd probably want to go with the LTS version of ubuntu server though, so you don't have to upgrade every 6 months
[05:09] <tech404> let me clarify that I already have the debian servers up in running but after using ubuntu on my desktop for sometime I am getting kind of attached. Do you think that there are major benifits worth moving everything over?
[05:10] <pleia2> tech404: it really depends on what you need, if there are packages in ubuntu that aren't on debian and you want them, or the stuff in ubuntu is newer it might be worth it
[05:11] <pleia2> if I was installing a new server I'd consider ubuntu, but for me it's not worth doing a migration because the stuff in debian is fine for me
[05:12] <tech404> ok.. that was kinda what I was thinkning. The only thing I use on my server I cant apt is MyAdmin and it installs just fine
[05:13] <Jester45> im running ubuntu on 3 headless servers
[05:13] <Jester45> havent had a problem yet
[05:14] <TheSheep> tech404: it's generally not advised to meddle with servers too mych, except for security updates
[05:14] <TheSheep> too much*
[05:14] <TheSheep> and ubuntu is about as stable as debian unstable -- maybe a little more, because of all the testing
[05:14] <tech404> well there not critical... a gateway and a lamp server at home... not a big deal, I just was thinking about experimenting
[05:15] <tech404> TheSheep: thanx I thought server might be more stable
[05:15] <pleia2> TheSheep: I'd probably say s/unstable/testing
[05:16] <Jester45> tech404, same packages
[05:16] <tech404> are they the same packages as in desktop?
[05:16] <TheSheep> tech404: it's called 'server' because it doesn't have all the packages that desktops have -- but it's the same distribution
[05:16] <tech404> i see just less preinstalled?
[05:16] <Jester45> meaning a desktop's apt-get is the same as a servers
[05:16] <pleia2> tech404: right
[05:16] <tech404> and a diff installer
[05:16] <Jester45> yes
[05:16] <tech404> thanks for the help
[05:16] <TheSheep> tech404: you can for example install the server and then add the xubuntu-desktop package with all dependencies, and you will have a regular xubuntu
[05:17] <Jester45> well lots of people use the same type of installer for desktop also
[05:17] <tech404> the alternative installer?
[05:17] <Jester45> yea
[05:17] <Jester45> i only use that to install the live cd for me is only a rescue disk
[05:17] <tech404> i had to use that on my P2 with 128mg ram, live wouldnt come up
[05:18] <tech404> XFCE has alot of KDE libraries right?
[05:18] <Jester45> i use it because im faster with it
[05:18] <Jester45> no it has some gnome libs i dont think any KDE ones
[05:20] <Jester45> and even less if its a server install (i think) because a lot of fui tools on xubuntu have gnome libs
[05:20] <Jester45> gui*
[05:22] <tech404> i thought that was a play on acronyms, i thought it was very funny
[05:29] <kahrn> Hi all. Anyone able to help me with a problem (or possibly a bug)?
[05:30] <tech404> we can always ttry
[05:30] <tech404> try*
[05:30] <kahrn> ok
[05:30] <tech404> better to just ask the question usually.
[05:30] <Jester45> kahrn, we need to know the problem im sure someone knows
[05:30] <kahrn> I just upgraded to the development build/gusty and am having problems with the xfce-mount-plugin
[05:31] <kahrn> it's not listing all my mounted devices like it did in 7.04
[05:31] <Jester45> !ubuntu+1
[05:31] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[05:31] <tech404> what about mount at command line?
[05:32] <kahrn> i checked to see if it was actually mounted (sudo mount) and it was listed. Checked my /etc/fstab and reloaded it too.
[05:32] <kahrn> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=505436
[05:34] <Jester45> it might be a bug but your using a development version so thats common and also your upgraded to it that might of caused more problems
[05:35] <tech404> i concur
[05:36] <kahrn> I reloaded x server, and it was still broke.. also rebooted the entire system. Still had the same problem.
[05:36] <kahrn> Is anyone else having the same problem?
[05:37] <Jester45> im sorry i cant help anymore but if development versions didnt have bugs then they would be called stable
[05:37] <kahrn> I don't mind it having bugs at all.
[05:37] <Jester45> most people in here are away or using stable version you may ask in #ubuntu+1
[05:38] <kahrn> ok
[05:40] <wbadger> is there a MIME type that applies just to .exe files?
[05:41] <tech404> could anyone in here even consider spending $1600 on a keyboard?
[05:41] <wbadger> or any way to associate wine with just .exe files (not all binaries)?
[05:42] <Jester45> tech404, if it typed for me. maybe a neuro interface
[05:42] <tech404> lol
[05:43] <tech404> yeah and make me coffee
[05:43] <Jester45> oo and a mouse needs to be encluded
[05:44] <tech404> I mean this KB is ubercool but $1600! I wish there were caps for numbers so I could emphasize that more
[05:45] <Jester45> !^))
[05:45] <tech404> http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/
[05:45] <totalwormage> what keyboard
[05:45] <totalwormage> ah that one
[05:45] <totalwormage> it is actually the most sexy project i've ever seen
[05:46] <totalwormage> thay said it would be for sale for about 200 euros :'[
[05:48] <tech404> yeah I mean its awsome but thats crazy talk
[05:48] <tech404> I might have spent 200 eurosonit
[05:49] <totalwormage> i also
[05:49] <tech404> euros on it*
[05:49] <Jester45> its ugly
[05:49] <totalwormage> :D
[05:49] <tech404> at least im not spending 44000 rubles onit
[05:50] <wbadger> tech404, it doesn't seem that useful unless you use like 100 languages... and also its only for XP \ Vista
[05:50] <tech404> the board it self is kinda ugly but the keys are awsome
[05:51] <tech404> i use 77 languges and I still think it would be useful
[05:51] <tech404> jk
[05:51] <tech404> no i realize that it is a glitz prduct with little real use but it is cool
[05:52] <tech404> farewell all
[06:12] <balaam> Wah! How do i change the keyboard settings in Xubuntu so that a single tap on " or ~ or ^ immediately displays those chars? Right now, if i type 's, i get , ~n becomes  and ^o turns into  if i don't follow the first char with a space.
[06:20] <kalikiana> That wasn't a (x)ubuntu question anyway.
[06:20] <Balaams_Miracle> Yes it was
[06:21] <kalikiana> Well, it was about xorg. :P
[06:21] <Balaams_Miracle> Nope, definitely about xubuntu/xfce
[06:21] <kalikiana> Balaams_Miracle, Since when do you setup your keyboard in xfce?
[06:21] <kalikiana> Afterall it's only a desktop.
[06:22] <Balaams_Miracle> Check the settings menu, it right there
[06:22] <kalikiana> Balaams_Miracle, You can't choose your general keyboard in xfce, can you?
[06:23] <TheSheep> Balaams_Miracle: if it's right there, then why do you have to ask? :)
[06:23] <TheSheep> Balaams_Miracle: I'd guess you want to disable the compose feature of the keyboard
[06:23] <Balaams_Miracle> *Sigh* Are you intentionally unhelpful?
[06:24] <Balaams_Miracle> TheSheep, yes, i guess that whaty it called
[06:36] <TheSheep> Balaams_Miracle: no, that's not intentional, that's lack of knowledge + lazyness to look it up
[06:37] <Jester45> TheSheep, you have to look something up? thats amazing i never thought you had to do that
[06:38] <Jester45> you know everyting
[06:38] <TheSheep> Jester45: I *always* do look things up when I seem to know everything
[06:38] <TheSheep> Jester45: you're talking to thousands of wikipedians and internet users impersonated ;)
[06:39] <TheSheep> Balaams_Miracle: knowing it's not xfce-specific may help you searching
[07:07] <Jester45>  TheSheep do you know of a mpd client that can look up lyrics?
[07:12] <TheSheep> Jester45: sonata
[07:13] <Jester45> really? im using it but i dont see that feature
[07:13] <TheSheep> you need SOAPpy for lyrics support
[07:13] <TheSheep> http://sonata.berlios.de/download.html
[07:13] <TheSheep> see the 'requirements'
[07:14] <Jester45> so do i need their client or does the one from the repo work?
[07:14] <TheSheep> Jester45: you just need that python library installed in your system
[07:14] <TheSheep> !info python-soap
[07:14] <ubotu> Package python-soap does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:14] <TheSheep> !info python-soappy
[07:15] <ubotu> python-soappy: SOAP Support for Python (SOAP.py). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.11.3-1.8 (feisty), package size 92 kB, installed size 532 kB
[07:16] <Jester45> aa its in the about song
[07:16] <Jester45> do you know where it gets it from?
[07:17] <TheSheep> Jester45: lyrics wiki
[07:18] <TheSheep> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Online_music_and_lyrics_databases
[08:36] <stuart-> suddenly my volume is so low, what gives? i can't hear much even tho i've set it in xfce4-mixer
[08:38] <maxamillion> stuart-: what's PCM set to in xfce4-mixer?
[08:39] <maxamillion> stuart-: alot of the time you have to set that up to around 80% to get good sound
[08:40] <stuart-> maxamillion, it's maxed, but i can't hear anything
[08:40] <maxamillion> huh....
[08:40] <stuart-> i mean i can hear little tiny sounds. wonder what's wrong
[08:40] <Redimere[sleep] > are you using speakers?
[08:40] <maxamillion> just a moment, let me check something
[08:40] <Redimere> or headphones
[08:41] <stuart-> geez, silly me.
[08:41] <stuart-> it was the electrical connection, sorry
[08:41] <stuart-> i mean it was on. it just wasn't powered enough] 
[08:43] <maxamillion> lol
[08:43] <maxamillion> ok
[08:43] <maxamillion> brb
[08:44] <stuart-> how do i check if i have nvidia installed correctly tho
[08:46] <maxamillion> stuart-: when you restart X it should give you a nvidia splash screen
[08:46] <khatuido> sorry someone can help me for install my wifi?
[08:46] <stuart-> maxamillion, it always gives me errors and i have to edit /X11/xorg.conf to change nvidia to nv
[08:46] <maxamillion> stuart-: oh, then something is wrong
[08:46] <maxamillion> !ask | khatuido
[08:46] <stuart-> then it's fine again. i'm using geforce2 and i installed the nvidia-glx package, so it shouldn't be a problem?
[08:46] <ubotu> khatuido: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:48] <khatuido> ubotu:in fact i try install wifi with Bcm43xx but it doesn't looks work, i search someone for help me
[08:49] <kalikiana> khatuido, You should ask the bot. ;)
[08:49] <kalikiana> *shouldn'T
[08:49] <khatuido> so maximilion or other
[08:49] <khatuido> who can help me :'(
[08:50] <kalikiana> I'm afraid I can't help out out.
[08:50] <khatuido> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Feisty
[08:50] <khatuido> i try do this
[08:51] <maxamillion> khatuido: and what happens?
[08:51] <khatuido> it said network is down
[08:51] <khatuido> and my wifi doesn't work
[08:52] <maxamillion> khatuido: what wifi card and chipset do you have/
[08:52] <maxamillion> ?*
[08:52] <maxamillion> khatuido: and what is saying the network is down?
[08:52] <khatuido> it's the sentence they give me
[08:52] <khatuido> when it try send package to my eth1
[08:53] <khatuido> the problem is i am newbie in linux
[08:53] <khatuido> first time i install it
[08:53] <maxamillion> oh goodness ... this could be hard
[08:54] <khatuido> i install the things like they explain
[08:56] <stuart-> installation of nvidia sould be the same on ubuntu as xubuntu, right?
[08:56] <maxamillion> khatuido: right, but there is a sufficient amount of background knowledge that is required to efficiently trouble shoot this because those wifi cards aren't very well supported by linux because broadcom won't release the specs for them
[08:57] <maxamillion> khatuido: what card exactly do you have?
[08:57] <khatuido> i don't know what card i got
[08:57] <khatuido> i don't know how i can check it
[08:58] <khatuido> humm in wifi i don't know many things i choose follow bcm43xx cos i can choose the mode 802.11g with my livebox
[08:58] <TheSheep> khatuido: lspci might give you some information for start
[08:59] <khatuido> i got a livebox sagem
[08:59] <khatuido> my comp is compaq R4000
[08:59] <khatuido> the mode can be 802.11g or 802.11b+g
[08:59] <khatuido> don't know the difference
[09:00] <khatuido> i am in WPA
[09:00] <maxamillion> khatuido: i really can't help unless i know what card you have and what chipset it uses
[09:00] <maxamillion> i gotta brb
[09:00] <khatuido> how can i check it?
[09:00] <TheSheep> khatuido: try typing 'lspci' in terminal
[09:01] <TheSheep> khatuido: and look for a relevant line
[09:01] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:04] <khatuido> is it this "Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]  802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)"
[09:04] <khatuido> ?
[09:05] <TheSheep> khatuido: yes
[09:06] <khatuido> the chip i can get it with "lspci -n" ?
[09:06] <TheSheep> khatuido: I think you only need that "BCM4318"
[09:07] <khatuido> ah ok
[09:07] <khatuido> but for me it's chinese
[09:07] <khatuido> i don't know what does it mean
[09:08] <TheSheep> khatuido: well, the next step is usually searching the forums or google for that symbol and 'linux'
[09:08] <TheSheep> khatuido: start with forums
[09:09] <khatuido> but the link i choose was about this card no?
[09:09] <khatuido> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Feisty
[09:09] <khatuido> there is 2 days i try a lot of things and read forum
[09:10] <TheSheep> khatuido: ah, yes, sorry, I wasn't paying attention before
[09:10] <TheSheep> khatuido: I don't really have much experience with wireless, I think you must wait for maxamillion to ocme back :(
[09:11] <khatuido> oh ok thanks
[09:11] <TheSheep> khatuido: sorry
[09:15] <khatuido> humm
[09:15] <khatuido> the thing is i don't know if my wifi is really switch on
[09:15] <khatuido> cos  when i was still on windows i got a light on the button
[09:30] <khatuido> someone else can help me
[09:30] <khatuido> ?
[09:30] <stuart_>  i think my running kernel is 1.9xxxx and my nvidia driver is 1.7xxx how do i match them?
[09:33] <rathel> Ahh How do I downgrade packages? I installed stuff and now my whole system doesn't work properly.
[09:42] <stuart-> rathel, downgrade or remove?
[09:43] <rathel> Downgrade, I did a simulated remove and it would remove pretty much everything...
[09:43] <stuart-> aw man, no idea there.
[09:43] <rathel> Okay thanks anyways.
[09:46] <stuart-> whats a strg key anyways
[09:46] <stuart-> i'm reading a guide and it says strg+alt+f1
[09:48] <SrRaven> strg = german
[09:48] <SrRaven> its ctrl :P
[09:52] <TheSheep> fun
[09:53] <TheSheep> and Home is Pos0
[09:53] <stuart-> oh okay
[09:53] <stuart-> thanks
[09:53] <stuart-> was a real brain buster
[09:53] <stuart-> now let me see if i can finally install nvidia properly
[10:22] <slow-motion> n8
[10:34] <lozzy> I am trying to set up wireless on a laptop with the Xubuntu livecd. I have no experience of this whatsoever. I have obtained a wireless 'BSSID' from my router's webmin, and possibly? a network password from underneath my router labelled 'wireless key'. This gives me no joy however. The wireless card is a BT Voyager 1020.
[11:36] <BFTD> ok
[11:37] <BFTD> I updated my system (kernel wise) and now none of my wireless devices work, and whenever I open up terminal it slows down my system
[11:39] <maxamillion> BFTD: i haven't the slightest idea
[11:39] <pili> Hi, could someone recommend me a download manager for firefox?
[11:39] <BFTD> one card used prism and the other used ndiswrapper
[11:40] <BFTD> niether work now
[11:43] <maxamillion> pili: download manager for firefox?.... i don't follow
[11:43] <maxamillion> BFTD: that's no good
 like kget
[11:44] <pili> but more ligthweight
[11:44] <pili> I found WxDownloadFast
[11:44] <pili> but crashes all the time
[11:44] <maxamillion> pili: i've never heard of either of those ....
[11:45] <maxamillion> pili: wget comes by default ... its a command line tool, i imagine kget is just a frontend for it
[11:45] <maxamillion> !info wget
[11:45] <ubotu> wget: retrieves files from the web. In component main, is standard. Version 1.10.2-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 229 kB, installed size 1960 kB
[11:45] <pili> yeah, i know, but I need something easy and with a gui
[11:46] <pili> wich one uses to be the default download manager for ubuntu?
[11:46] <maxamillion> it is easy ... 'wget http://www.wherever.com/path/to/file'
[11:46] <pili> in gnome?
[11:46] <maxamillion> i don't know if gnome has a download manager
[11:46] <maxamillion> pili: what's wrong with just downloading with firefox?
[11:46] <pili> mm kde has kget
[11:46] <maxamillion> it has a built in download manager
[11:47] <pili> you can not stop and continue downloads
[11:47] <maxamillion> ok, well i am getting off work ... gotta go
[11:47] <maxamillion> pili: you can on my machine in firefox
[11:47] <pili> bye
[11:47] <maxamillion> laters
[11:57] <khatuido> i got a problem with my wifi i cannot keep it more than the synchronisation time
[11:58] <khatuido> someone can help me to set it?
[12:02] <khatuido> nobody?