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| stgraber | mathiaz: thanks for the list, I'll assign them right now | 12:25 |
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| mathiaz | stgraber: thanks | 12:25 |
| mathiaz | stgraber: is there any admin interface ? | 12:26 |
| stgraber | mathiaz: not yet | 12:31 |
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| tormod | mjg59: can you please review the patch in bug #127276 ? | 01:00 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 127276 in laptop-mode-tools "laptop-mode init script links not created (dup-of: 127273)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127276 | 01:00 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 127273 in laptop-mode-tools "laptop-mode init script links not created" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127273 | 01:00 |
| mjg59 | laptop-mode is going away | 01:03 |
| tormod | mjg59: good to know! | 01:04 |
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| tormod | mjg59: do you think the patch would be valid for those using laptop-mode in Feisty? | 01:05 |
| mjg59 | laptop-mode is an error | 01:05 |
| tormod | it slipped into Feisty though... | 01:06 |
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| mjg59 | Oh, and various earlier releases | 01:10 |
| mjg59 | The best we can hope for is that it never manages to turn itself on | 01:10 |
| tormod | It's default off in /etc/default so that should be no problem. | 01:11 |
| persia | Is laptop-mode-tools also scheduled for removal? Is it now replaced by ubuntu-laptop-mode? | 01:12 |
| tormod | Will it be demoted into Universe? In which case it should be patched. | 01:12 |
| mjg59 | Yeah, that's the plan | 01:13 |
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| thunderbolt | Hmm... I remember there was some discussion on the wiki at one time about putting the /etc/ folder (and potentially others) under revision control, either bzr or svn. I've found a userspace filesystem, called wayback, that allows for keeping a history of files... Does anyone else think that this may be a good idea, assuming that someone [me] can implement it? | 07:25 |
| jdong | thunderbolt: I've played with versioning the entire /etc with bzr | 07:26 |
| jdong | it worked marginally except for some permissions mishandling sometimes | 07:26 |
| thunderbolt | jdong: worked marginally? | 07:26 |
| jdong | I find it smarter to selectively version things | 07:27 |
| jdong | thunderbolt: yeah... | 07:27 |
| jdong | thunderbolt: bzr and svn both create dot directories | 07:27 |
| jdong | like .bzr or .svn | 07:27 |
| thunderbolt | Ah. | 07:27 |
| jdong | and some scripts go BALLISTIC over that | 07:27 |
| thunderbolt | Yes, that's right. | 07:27 |
| jdong | and not just that... | 07:27 |
| jdong | sometimes when reverting, things go back with wrong permissions | 07:27 |
| thunderbolt | Eep. | 07:27 |
| jdong | yeah... | 07:27 |
| thunderbolt | That's really not good. | 07:27 |
| jdong | it did get a bit nasty | 07:27 |
| jdong | but I do it for some specific things | 07:27 |
| jdong | like my /etc/acpi is under bzr | 07:28 |
| === thunderbolt nods | ||
| jdong | because I find myself hacking my acpi-support a lot | 07:28 |
| jdong | and it doesn't seem to get bothered by .bzr | 07:28 |
| thunderbolt | Cool. | 07:28 |
| jdong | apache's a good choice too | 07:28 |
| jdong | basically anything that took time for you to write, and you continue to tweak :) | 07:28 |
| jdong | don't version the entire /etc | 07:28 |
| jdong | because you have to deal with things like /etc/gconf | 07:29 |
| jdong | which seem to change with every other package upgrade :D | 07:29 |
| thunderbolt | Hehe | 07:29 |
| thunderbolt | The other feature I was looking into was something like VMS's holding history of files, for like a users home directory. | 07:29 |
| jdong | ah | 07:30 |
| jdong | I think some LVM-ish snapshot magic is probably your best bet for that | 07:30 |
| thunderbolt | LVM? | 07:30 |
| jdong | Logical Volume Manager | 07:30 |
| thunderbolt | Ah | 07:30 |
| jdong | amongst other things, it allows you to take snapshots of devices | 07:30 |
| === thunderbolt nods | ||
| jdong | and they only take up space as content diverges | 07:31 |
| jdong | so you can basically snapshot your /home every night | 07:31 |
| jdong | and save those snapshots | 07:31 |
| jdong | and purge 30-day-old snapshots... | 07:31 |
| thunderbolt | Right. | 07:31 |
| jdong | to maintain reasonable space | 07:31 |
| jdong | then you can at least recover 30 days back should your users request it | 07:31 |
| === thunderbolt nods | ||
| thunderbolt | I still think it would be nice to have a backup, at least for a while, whenever a file is saved, but I guessed that's handled by application level undo, right? | 07:32 |
| jdong | right | 07:33 |
| jdong | I've seen some userland filesystem overlays that promise these kinds of features | 07:33 |
| jdong | but remember that those things probably make you worse off anyway | 07:33 |
| jdong | just because they haven't had rugged testing | 07:33 |
| thunderbolt | Yeah, that was my concern. I've looked at FUSE and Wayback, which is built on FUSE. | 07:33 |
| jdong | it'd be a really awful twist of fate if your backup mechanism caused data loss :D | 07:33 |
| thunderbolt | Yes, definitely. | 07:34 |
| thunderbolt | Hmm, one of those nice things to have if we had infinite resources and time, right? | 07:36 |
| jdong | yeah, certainly :) | 07:38 |
| jdong | backup solutions are tough... very few resources on how to do it properly | 07:38 |
| jdong | and one of the sketchiest things to experiment with :) | 07:38 |
| jdong | as I said before, I'd recommend version control for /etc and investigating LVM snapshots for /home | 07:39 |
| === thunderbolt nods | ||
| thunderbolt | Thanks a ton, jdong! | 07:39 |
| jdong | no prob | 07:39 |
| thunderbolt | Currently I'm using backuppc for my users home directories, it's kind like the snapshots, but uses rsync. | 07:40 |
| jdong | right | 07:41 |
| jdong | that works too | 07:41 |
| jdong | but it tends to have higher overhead | 07:41 |
| jdong | i.e. slower to run, takes up more space | 07:42 |
| thunderbolt | Yeah, definitely, I also use it to backup some windows PCs. | 07:42 |
| jdong | yeah, that's the advantage of a FS-level backup | 07:42 |
| thunderbolt | I also didn't know about LVM until you told me about it :) | 07:42 |
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| siretart | asac: can you please have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/112818, | 09:44 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 112818 in firefox "wrong pkgconfig dependencies break builds" [High,Confirmed] | 09:44 |
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| asac | siretart: yes firefox-nspr and firefox-nss.pc should become links to nspr.pc and nss.pc | 10:01 |
| asac | ... or should be completely dropped | 10:02 |
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| blowfish | hi | 10:29 |
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| wattazoum | hi | 01:16 |
| wattazoum | need a little help on a very basic question : is there a way, in python, looking at a directory, to see if a file inside has changed ? | 01:17 |
| Spads | well that's OS dependent | 01:18 |
| RAOF | wattazoum: Yes, but this isn't the place to ask :) | 01:18 |
| wattazoum | I used "lstat()" and looked at st_mtime but it seems this doesn't change | 01:19 |
| Spads | but in the os module you should be able to do a stat on all files and grab the mtime | 01:19 |
| Spads | oh wow, totally not the channel I thought i was in | 01:19 |
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| wattazoum | RAOF : in which place should I ? | 01:19 |
| Spads | wattazoum: try #python | 01:20 |
| RAOF | wattazoum: Well, possibly ##python? | 01:20 |
| wattazoum | #python | 01:20 |
| wattazoum | I can't go there ( I lost my nickname password and can't identify :'( ) | 01:20 |
| RAOF | wattazoum: For an Ubuntu responce, check out the source of Specto, which has a file/folder watch | 01:20 |
| wattazoum | RAOF : Cool | 01:20 |
| wattazoum | i'll lok at it | 01:21 |
| wattazoum | look | 01:21 |
| RAOF | NP | 01:21 |
| _wattazoum_ | Thank you very much | 01:21 |
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| _wattazoum_ | RAOF : just for info, I have looked at the specto code and it does exactely what I would have liked to avoid. watching every last file inside | 01:36 |
| _wattazoum_ | I guess I have no choice then | 01:36 |
| _wattazoum_ | :) | 01:36 |
| RAOF | If you only care about notifications when your program is running, and don't mind being linux-only, inotify is really easy in python. | 01:37 |
| _wattazoum_ | well, I actuallly use it :-) , It was just for a matter of performance ( I am developing a backup software and this was to check if I could skip the whole dir when it didn't changed ) . | 01:41 |
| _wattazoum_ | yep I don't care being linux-only :) | 01:41 |
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| jdub | canonical folks handy? | 05:19 |
| Hobbsee | all eaten. | 05:19 |
| jdub | not useful, need help | 05:19 |
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| Hobbsee | jdub: seriously though, it's the weekend. and ubuntulive | 05:20 |
| jdub | and my plane has been delayed, and i need to get a message through | 05:21 |
| === jdub has a fair amount of understanding of the context of his question | ||
| Hobbsee | who to? | 05:21 |
| jdub | a canonical person on uk time | 05:21 |
| jdub | if there were one here a momeont ago, you could mention their nick instead of drilling me qith questions | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | jdub: havent seen any here in hours, to be honest. :( | 05:22 |
| StevenK | jdub: The only one I've seen that that is likely is Spads, and he last spoke over 5 hours ago | 05:22 |
| jdub | StevenK: thanks | 05:22 |
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| AlinuxOS | doko, hello ;) | 05:53 |
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| Kmos | LP is back | 08:29 |
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| jdong | urgh, fglrx performance has definitely regressed on gutsy | 10:30 |
| jdong | what a surprise :) | 10:30 |
| Kmos | jdong: backport ddclient in gutsy to feisty | 10:31 |
| Kmos | thx | 10:31 |
| ScottK | jdong: About iceape, whatever floats your boat. | 10:31 |
| jdong | Kmos: you do it :P | 10:31 |
| jdong | lol | 10:31 |
| Kmos | :) | 10:31 |
| jdong | what's ddclient | 10:31 |
| jdong | a dyndns thing? | 10:31 |
| Kmos | yes | 10:31 |
| Kmos | u've done the last backport | 10:31 |
| Kmos | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ddclient | 10:31 |
| jdong | http://sharkattack.media.mit.edu/inventory/check_builds/28 | 10:32 |
| jdong | ok, building | 10:32 |
| Kmos | jdong: that was fast :) thanks | 10:33 |
| ScottK | jdong: One thing I've been thinking about for Dapper is if we could backport dpkg from Edgy to Dapper we could save a LOT of source backports. | 10:33 |
| jdong | ScottK: is that remotely safe? | 10:33 |
| ScottK | jdong: I have no idea. | 10:33 |
| ScottK | I think it needs some discussion. | 10:33 |
| jdong | ScottK: I'd be willing to do it if it were safe | 10:34 |
| Kmos | jdong: SUCCESS | 10:34 |
| Kmos | :) | 10:34 |
| jdong | Kmos: cool | 10:34 |
| jdong | Kmos: can you test the packages? | 10:35 |
| jdong | IIRC it ships with an init script which could've changed | 10:35 |
| ScottK | jdong: I think we need to discuss it with some of the core developers during the week. | 10:35 |
| Kmos | it should work fine | 10:35 |
| Kmos | but i can test it | 10:35 |
| jdong | Kmos: I don't like hearing should :) | 10:35 |
| ScottK | should != does | 10:35 |
| Kmos | i've running the gutsy version on my feisty | 10:35 |
| Kmos | with no problems | 10:35 |
| Kmos | that's enough ? :) | 10:35 |
| jdong | Kmos: ok good enough... | 10:36 |
| Kmos | :) | 10:36 |
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| Kmos | jdong: thx | 10:37 |
| jdong | Kmos: bug 127430 | 10:38 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 127430 in feisty-backports "backport ddclient" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127430 | 10:38 |
| Kmos | jdong: nice :) | 10:38 |
| Kmos | thanks | 10:39 |
| jdong | yay sharkattack :) | 10:39 |
| Kmos | i assigned the bug to you | 10:41 |
| Kmos | no problem ? | 10:41 |
| jdong | no need to assign | 10:41 |
| jdong | it's done | 10:41 |
| Kmos | :) | 10:41 |
| jdong | archive admins are subscribed | 10:41 |
| Kmos | yeah | 10:41 |
| Kmos | but you do the work :P | 10:41 |
| Kmos | jdong: http://sharkattack.media.mit.edu/inventory/view_log/32 | 10:46 |
| jdong | mmm? | 10:46 |
| Kmos | firefox grandparadiso | 10:47 |
| jdong | yeah | 10:47 |
| jdong | it builds properly | 10:47 |
| jdong | but takes a few hours | 10:47 |
| Kmos | it was 0 in # builds | 10:47 |
| jdong | right | 10:47 |
| Kmos | i clicked in queue | 10:47 |
| jdong | I purged out stale builds last night | 10:47 |
| Kmos | :) | 10:47 |
| jdong | I restarted the builder during testing while it was building | 10:47 |
| Kmos | ah, that's the problem | 10:48 |
| jdong | that builder really needs some ionice loving | 10:48 |
| Kmos | pkg-source: applying ./firefox-granparadiso_3.0~alpha5-0ubuntu2.diff.gz | 10:49 |
| Kmos | Fetched 34.5MB in 23s (1475kB/s) | 10:49 |
| Kmos | cat: write error: Broken pipe | 10:49 |
| Kmos | cat: write error: Broken pipe | 10:49 |
| Kmos | cat: write error: Broken pipe | 10:49 |
| Kmos | cat: write error: Broken pipe | 10:49 |
| Kmos | cat: write error: Broken pipe | 10:49 |
| jdong | that's normal | 10:49 |
| Kmos | dch warning: new version (3.0~alpha5-0ubuntu2~7.04prevu1) is less than | 10:49 |
| Kmos | the current version number (3.0~alpha5-0ubuntu2). | 10:49 |
| Kmos | ah ok | 10:49 |
| jdong | stop pasting that :) | 10:49 |
| Kmos | ok | 10:49 |
| jdong | the way it grabs version numbers from the changelog | 10:49 |
| jdong | it closes stdout before cat is done | 10:49 |
| Kmos | :) | 10:50 |
| jdong | yay to hackish code :) | 10:50 |
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| a-865 | can gutsy be installed to a partition above #15 ? | 11:12 |
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| a-865 | The ext3 filesystem creation in partition #19 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) failed. | 11:23 |
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