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| karl | i'm trying to get dual headed terminals booting in LTSP. I can get them to boot, but X won't start. I have their details specified in lts.conf, but it seems that they are still using the auto-generated xorg.conf files from boot. Any ideas? | 02:54 |
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| johnny | hi folks anybody about? i'm attempting to convert an existing ubuntu installation to use ltsp, and was wondering if anybody here could help me since #ubuntu is such a wasteland | 07:47 |
| johnny | i've got the clients starting to boot, but they hang at the ubuntu logo | 07:48 |
| johnny | and i can't even get to verbose mode | 07:48 |
| Burgundavia | johnny: sounds like a problem with a chroot | 07:55 |
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| johnny | i got farther, figured out how to enable verbose mode from the pxe default config file | 08:18 |
| johnny | suprised that debian has nice tools that ubuntu doesn't have | 08:18 |
| johnny | my friend had been touting debian..and i was like what??? | 08:19 |
| johnny | anyways | 08:19 |
| Burgundavia | johnny: what tools? | 08:19 |
| johnny | some ltsp-admin | 08:19 |
| johnny | cli admin interface for setting up clients | 08:19 |
| johnny | it sets up nfs roots and mounts | 08:19 |
| johnny | among other things | 08:19 |
| johnny | didn't get to play much | 08:19 |
| johnny | but back to ubuntu | 08:19 |
| johnny | it's trying to load some amd64 file but i can't seem to figure out how | 08:20 |
| johnny | cuz the server is amd64, but i built a i386 client | 08:20 |
| johnny | it seems to be looking in the wrong place for tftp config | 08:20 |
| Burgundavia | which version of Ubuntu are you using?' | 08:20 |
| johnny | feisty | 08:21 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 08:22 |
| johnny | uggh.. i guess i'll have to come back tomorrow | 08:29 |
| johnny | thanks anyways .. it's definitely too late for tonight :) | 08:29 |
| johnny | night | 08:29 |
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| zulfajuniadi | anyone knows how to solve my problem? i've set up a thin client booting off my edubuntu server, i can log in on my client, but "thin client manager" -> Screen viewer, it says unavailable, install x11vnc on client. | 06:55 |
| Bambi_BOFH | have you installed x11vnc on the client? | 06:56 |
| zulfajuniadi | its booting off 100% from the server, i did install it on the server though | 06:56 |
| Bambi_BOFH | zulfajuniadi, did you install it in the clients chroot? | 06:57 |
| zulfajuniadi | how do i do that? | 06:58 |
| ogra | follow the howto ;) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients | 06:58 |
| zulfajuniadi | thanks m8 :) | 06:58 |
| Bambi_BOFH | ogra, hi mate :) | 06:59 |
| ogra | hey | 06:59 |
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| ogra | zulfajuniadi, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ might be a good starting point as well ... | 06:59 |
| johnny | does edubuntu come with ltspcfg ? | 06:59 |
| ogra | no, ltspcfg is ltsp4 stuff | 07:00 |
| Kamping_kaiser | ogra, cool. *goes to look up ubuntu live * (grin) | 07:00 |
| ogra | http://www.ubuntulive.com | 07:00 |
| johnny | aha.. | 07:00 |
| ogra | johnny, ltsp5 sets up verything for you and does all stuff it needs automatic | 07:00 |
| ogra | gutsy might get http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/ (depending on my time i have left to finish it or someone stepping up to help on it) | 07:01 |
| ogra | but thats only to override the autodetected settings ... usually autodetection works fine | 07:02 |
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| johnny | so which version is in regular ubuntu fiesty (i can't seem to remember the IP to login) | 07:02 |
| johnny | where the box is | 07:03 |
| Kamping_kaiser | to much automation -eq hard to administer (imo, of course) | 07:03 |
| Kamping_kaiser | 5.x | 07:03 |
| johnny | ok.. | 07:03 |
| johnny | i'm trying to do multiarch there | 07:03 |
| johnny | the docs aren't very explicit tho | 07:03 |
| ogra | i386 clients on amd64 server ? | 07:03 |
| johnny | i386,ppc clients on amd64 server | 07:03 |
| Kamping_kaiser | underway in Portland, OR <- whats OR? | 07:03 |
| ogra | oregon | 07:03 |
| Kamping_kaiser | ogra, ah | 07:04 |
| Kamping_kaiser | johnny, you can build i386 clients iwht --arch=i386 | 07:04 |
| johnny | yes.. | 07:04 |
| johnny | did that | 07:04 |
| ogra | johnny, ppc is somewaht tricky (we dropped official support for it in edgy ...) | 07:04 |
| Kamping_kaiser | ppc has to be built on a ppc system and copied onto the server | 07:04 |
| ogra | so its rather untested ... | 07:04 |
| johnny | hmm.. | 07:04 |
| Kamping_kaiser | hm. fogot ppc was dropped (thats what happens when you stop at LTS) | 07:04 |
| johnny | we have 4 PCs | 07:05 |
| johnny | 2 i386 , 2 ppc | 07:05 |
| johnny | kinda slow imacs | 07:05 |
| ogra | we might pick up thin client ppc support again though if a customer pays for the development ... | 07:05 |
| johnny | we're just a small collectively owned coffeeshop | 07:05 |
| ogra | i.e. a ppc client manufacturer who is intrested in getting them running on ppc | 07:06 |
| Kamping_kaiser | ogra, whats the chance of a purely community powered PPC thin client setup? slim? | 07:06 |
| ogra | Kamping_kaiser, ask cliebow ;) he's the one keeping up the ppc flag in ltsp world ;) | 07:06 |
| Kamping_kaiser | ogra, so, i'll start sucking up to cliebow about nwo then ;) | 07:07 |
| ogra | Kamping_kaiser, but as i said there are soe companies that produce ppc client HW ... they might come and pay for it ... | 07:07 |
| johnny | so.. what i have to do .. is upgrade the ppc boxes to feisty, then install ltsp and then run ltsp build client and copy it to the server? | 07:07 |
| ogra | right | 07:07 |
| ogra | and the ppc dir under /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp | 07:08 |
| johnny | and then to configure it on the server side i do what? | 07:08 |
| Kamping_kaiser | ogra, might, we can only hope | 07:08 |
| johnny | set it by mac addresses? | 07:08 |
| ogra | you need to have a special dhcpd.conf for ppc | 07:08 |
| johnny | i'm using dnsmasq there | 07:08 |
| ogra | look at wiki.ltsporg | 07:08 |
| Kamping_kaiser | you only need to do one system, not all the macs :) | 07:08 |
| ogra | it doesnt really differ | 07:08 |
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| ogra | oh, no clue about dnsmasq here | 07:08 |
| ogra | we use dhcpd3 | 07:09 |
| Kamping_kaiser | never used dnsmasq's dhcp server | 07:09 |
| Kamping_kaiser | only its dns bits ;) | 07:09 |
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| johnny | oh i didn't realize you meant that there was no fesity for ppc. i thought you meant there was no edubuntu for it :) | 07:10 |
| cottima | hello | 07:10 |
| johnny | or no ltsp for it | 07:10 |
| ogra | there is feisty ppc ... | 07:10 |
| Kamping_kaiser | johnny, hehe | 07:10 |
| johnny | but it's unsupported | 07:10 |
| Kamping_kaiser | cottima, hi :) | 07:10 |
| ogra | we just didnt test it as much | 07:10 |
| johnny | well i'll prolly work | 07:10 |
| johnny | worth a shot at least | 07:10 |
| Kamping_kaiser | johnny, there are packages, its just not offical | 07:10 |
| johnny | at least you guys can rely a bit on upstream debian | 07:11 |
| ogra | debian is downstream | 07:11 |
| johnny | they pull from you guys now? | 07:11 |
| ogra | actually its at least two releases behind on ltsp | 07:11 |
| ogra | they do since ltsp5 exists | 07:11 |
| johnny | well.. i mean for the packages in general | 07:11 |
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| ogra | right, there they are our base | 07:12 |
| ogra | even though the most important packages are heavily modified | 07:12 |
| Kamping_kaiser | johnny, iirc ltsp is one of the places that ubuntu does the work, and debian picks up the patches | 07:12 |
| johnny | hmm.. good to know | 07:12 |
| johnny | nice | 07:12 |
| cottima | I want to back up the fat32 partitions on my clients for ltsp. I have use ntfsclone (which copies used areas and metadata) and seen clonezilla (which claims to do something like ntfsclone, not like dd). Has anyone used clonezilla or have a better suggest? (Sorry for the long question.) | 07:12 |
| johnny | personally use gentoo, but my gf , friends, and this shop all run gentoo | 07:13 |
| johnny | err | 07:13 |
| johnny | ubuntu | 07:13 |
| ogra | why dont you just mount them ? | 07:13 |
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| Kamping_kaiser | (as an aside, Spike Milligan is an absolute *Genius*) | 07:13 |
| johnny | i use gentoo.. they all use ubuntu | 07:13 |
| johnny | so i'm used to working with it | 07:13 |
| johnny | of course.. my other true geeky friend is spouting off about debian :) | 07:13 |
| Kamping_kaiser | cottima, i dont understand your situation | 07:14 |
| cottima | Kamping_kaiser: For backing up fat32 partitions: I want to be able to mount the image later and not have a 10gb image for a 10 partition that only has 3gb used. Ntfsclone does this. | 07:15 |
| cottima | Am I making more sense? or not? | 07:16 |
| ogra | cottima, just mount it | 07:16 |
| ogra | then copy the contents | 07:16 |
| Kamping_kaiser | cottima, i dont think i can help you :( i assume your running some new version of ubuntu, as i dont know anything about what your talking about :| | 07:16 |
| Kamping_kaiser | rsync :) | 07:16 |
| Kamping_kaiser | rsync -azv :) | 07:16 |
| cottima | I am trying to look for software. | 07:17 |
| ogra | backuppc ? | 07:17 |
| Kamping_kaiser | compex, but does the job well | 07:17 |
| Kamping_kaiser | *plex | 07:17 |
| cottima | ogra, are you saying fat32 has no metadata and just a copy does a good enough job? | 07:17 |
| Kamping_kaiser | fat32 is useless :\ | 07:18 |
| ogra | cottima, well, why would you want to backup the fat sectors ? | 07:18 |
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| cottima | well, removing all partitions on the hard drive and if I missed coping something like a registration key. I could later mount and run something like qemu or virtualbox. | 07:20 |
| cottima | that is why I want to copy everything, but not have a 10gb image for a 10gb part w/ 3gb used. | 07:21 |
| Kamping_kaiser | rsync might do what you want | 07:22 |
| cottima | Well, I will use rsync or backuppc for another project, but I used dd yesterday and took 3 hours | 07:23 |
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| cottima | I have to go. Thank you Kamping_kaiser and ogra! | 07:25 |
| Kamping_kaiser | cottima, good luck | 07:25 |
| cottima | thank you. maybe like always I am making things complicated. Have a good day. Later | 07:26 |
| zulfajuniadi | orga, i did install everything as on the | 07:29 |
| zulfajuniadi | wiki but i still cannot see the thin clients monitor | 07:30 |
| sbalneav | zulfajuniadi: it should be under System->Administration | 07:31 |
| sbalneav | Thin Client Manager | 07:31 |
| zulfajuniadi | it seems that there is an error while running x11vnc: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) | 07:31 |
| zulfajuniadi | yes sbalneav. i'm aware of that | 07:31 |
| zulfajuniadi | nyone knows how to solve my problem? i've set up a thin client booting off my edubuntu server, i can log in on my client, but "thin client manager" -> Screen viewer, it says unavailable, install x11vnc on client. after following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients , i still cannot see the thin clients monitor. it seems that there is an error while running x11vnc: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) | 07:36 |
| sbalneav | zulfajuniadi: lets see if you've got everything installed that you need. | 07:37 |
| sbalneav | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 | 07:37 |
| zulfajuniadi | yes | 07:37 |
| sbalneav | then lets do a dpkg -l | grep x11vnc | 07:37 |
| sbalneav | What do you get? | 07:38 |
| zulfajuniadi | ii x11vnc 0.8.2-1 VNC server which uses your current X11 sessi | 07:38 |
| sbalneav | ok | 07:39 |
| sbalneav | while still in the chroot, can you paste your /etc/rc.local to the pastebin? | 07:39 |
| sbalneav | !pastebin | 07:39 |
| ubotu | pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) | 07:39 |
| sbalneav | as well, also paste your /etc/lts.conf | 07:39 |
| sbalneav | Let me know what the URL's are for those pastes. | 07:40 |
| zulfajuniadi | /etc/lts.conf is using the default settings (i have not modified it) | 07:40 |
| zulfajuniadi | x11vnc -display :6 -forever -loop & | 07:41 |
| zulfajuniadi | thats the line before exit 0 | 07:41 |
| sbalneav | zulfajuniadi: I'd like to see the whole rc.local file, if you don't mind. | 07:41 |
| sbalneav | paste it to the pastebin | 07:41 |
| zulfajuniadi | everything before that line is commented (#), but if you want it anyway, http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/30801/ | 07:43 |
| sbalneav | ok, now lets look in /etc/rc2.d | 07:44 |
| sbalneav | ls -la S99rc.local | 07:45 |
| zulfajuniadi | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2007-07-22 11:07 S99rc.local -> ../init.d/rc.local | 07:46 |
| zulfajuniadi | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2007-07-22 11:07 S99rc.local -> ../init.d/rc.local | 07:46 |
| zulfajuniadi | sorry, hihi | 07:46 |
| sbalneav | Looks ok. | 07:46 |
| sbalneav | Let me set it up here on my box, see if I can get it working. | 07:46 |
| zulfajuniadi | ok tq | 07:47 |
| zulfajuniadi | restarting brb | 07:54 |
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| leetcharmer | hello everone | 07:59 |
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| leetcharmer | do you know how to setup a web-based media server with my edubuntu host? | 07:59 |
| leetcharmer | so others can download files via a local website on the network? | 08:00 |
| sbalneav | How complex a system are you looking for? | 08:01 |
| sbalneav | Simple thing would be to just install apache, and set up your file area and some static web pages. | 08:01 |
| leetcharmer | I want a website that will allow anyone on the network to access any of their files, uploading/downloading and streaming | 08:02 |
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| Kamping_kaiser | wb ogra | 08:02 |
| leetcharmer | music/videos etc | 08:02 |
| zulfajuniadi | sbalneav: issue resolved: apt-get install as root from the thin client | 08:02 |
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| leetcharmer | alternatively to a website, I would like the network share to be accessed as a drive on any windows/ubuntu comps on the network | 08:03 |
| leetcharmer | so it can look like a local harddrive | 08:03 |
| Kamping_kaiser | smb/nfs | 08:03 |
| zulfajuniadi | and mount through fstab | 08:03 |
| leetcharmer | I've installed samba | 08:04 |
| leetcharmer | and I think I've created one user account | 08:04 |
| leetcharmer | I don't know how to make others | 08:04 |
| leetcharmer | just one for the administrator on the edubuntu host | 08:04 |
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| littlepaul | ping Kamping_kaiser :) | 08:04 |
| zulfajuniadi | leetcharmer: System -> Administration -> Users and Groups? | 08:05 |
| leetcharmer | I meant in samba | 08:05 |
| Kamping_kaiser | littlepaul, hi mate | 08:06 |
| zulfajuniadi | i dont think i follow you leetcharmer | 08:06 |
| littlepaul | Kamping_kaiser, may I query you for some questions? :) | 08:06 |
| leetcharmer | in order to login to a network share on my edubuntu system, I have to make different users, right? | 08:06 |
| Kamping_kaiser | hm. i clearly have NFI about using rsync - i want to use it to save re downlaodign files. here i am downloading everying again :( | 08:07 |
| Kamping_kaiser | littlepaul, sure. in PM or here as you will | 08:07 |
| zulfajuniadi | leetcharmer: it depends on the settings i guess, if you use just the normal samba setting, it should work ok (as far as i remember). | 08:07 |
| leetcharmer | what are the normal samba settings? | 08:08 |
| zulfajuniadi | leetcharmer: how do you normally share a folder? through system -> administration -> shared folders? | 08:09 |
| leetcharmer | never shared a folder before | 08:09 |
| leetcharmer | I was just following some online terminal stuff | 08:10 |
| zulfajuniadi | try through system -> administration -> shared folders, it should work ok. | 08:11 |
| Kamping_kaiser | Mon Jul 23 03:46:05 CST 2007 | 08:16 |
| Kamping_kaiser | bleh. | 08:16 |
| Kamping_kaiser | i need more red bull :( | 08:16 |
| ogra | or a better timezone :) | 08:20 |
| leetcharmer | it didn't work | 08:20 |
| leetcharmer | I can't find the unix or samba share on the network | 08:21 |
| Kamping_kaiser | ogra, yes, well thats a possible problem too :| | 08:21 |
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| zulfajuniadi | leetcharmer: ctrl + l in nautilus, write smb://10.0.0.10 (where 10.0.0.10 is your server's ip) | 08:24 |
| leetcharmer | Sorry, couldn't display all the contents of "Windows Network: 192.168.1.107". | 08:25 |
| zulfajuniadi | brb | 08:27 |
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| cliebow | Kamping_kaiser, fwiw http://169.244.3.137/dhcpd.conf | 08:27 |
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| leetcharmer | :( why can't I find my edubuntu share on the network? | 08:33 |
| Patrick__ | hello can someone tell me why my LTSP client stops with "Starting NBD client process: Connecting...Activating... nbd-client." on booting edubuntu from the edubuntu terminal server ? | 08:52 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Patrick__, can you give us any mroe dtails | 08:53 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ananas, is this the same error you get? | 08:53 |
| Patrick__ | i talked to ananas but he could not help | 08:53 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Patrick__, do you have a login on the client (to check logs)? | 08:54 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Patrick__, have you looked in the server logs? | 08:54 |
| Patrick__ | no i can't login in the client and i looked into the syslog but i do not know what i should serch for | 08:55 |
| sbalneav | Patrick__: Which version of edubuntu are you using? | 08:55 |
| Patrick__ | 7.04 | 08:56 |
| sbalneav | Do you get the login screen? | 08:57 |
| Patrick__ | no | 08:57 |
| Patrick__ | i just installed and edited the lts.conf (XSERVER=vesa) and then tried to boot the client | 08:58 |
| sbalneav | So X doesn't start at all? | 08:58 |
| Patrick__ | no it does not | 08:58 |
| sbalneav | What happens if you just get rid of the XSERVER line, and let ltsp autodetect the card? | 08:58 |
| Patrick__ | this means XSERVER=auto ? | 08:59 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Patrick__, #XSERVER=whatever | 09:00 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Patrick__, the XSERVER line (for all aparent needs and purposes) doesnt exist, its commented | 09:00 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Patrick__, hint: on my chroot i gave myself a login so i could log in and look at logs while using the system | 09:01 |
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| Patrick__ | a) commenting XSERVER doesn't change anything b) what do you mean with giving yourself a login on your chroo | 09:03 |
| Patrick__ | t | 09:03 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Patrick__, i have a shell login (so i installed ssh into my chroot), so i can ssh into clients (it was useful for testing initally) | 09:03 |
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| Patrick__ | my knowlege on linux is not so good that i could say that i know how to do this | 09:05 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ah right. | 09:06 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | RichEd, hi mate | 09:06 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Patrick__, `sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386` | 09:07 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | blah! | 09:07 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i keep forgetting GTK uses ^W to close stuff :( | 09:07 |
| RichEd | hi Kamping_Kaiser ... was just checking to see if you were alive ... but had unknown in the "last message" status | 09:07 |
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| Patrick__ | ok | 09:08 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | RichEd well, i'm aliveish :) | 09:08 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Patrick__, sorry, where were we? | 09:08 |
| RichEd | Kamping_Kaiser: yep ... ^w gets me sometimes as well | 09:08 |
| Patrick__ | `sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386` | 09:08 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hehe | 09:08 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Patrick__, ah right. you should get a root shell (root@something~:) | 09:09 |
| Patrick__ | yes | 09:09 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Patrick__, then `adduser yourname` (yourname being whatever login you want) | 09:09 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Patrick__, there was something else, but my train of thoughts been derailed :( | 09:09 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | whats the topic in here atm ? :( | 09:10 |
| Patrick__ | i added a user to the chroot as you told me | 09:13 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | RichEd, were you after me for any specific reason? btw, did you get my email re change of email addy for the next month? | 09:13 |
| === Kamping_Kaiser wonders how to view hte last sessions logs in xchat | ||
| RichEd | Kamping_Kaiser: no & no | 09:14 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | RichEd, hm. | 09:14 |
| RichEd | 1. just a hi seeing as I am in a somewhat compatible time zone | 09:14 |
| RichEd | 2. been busy with conference prep. so mail is priority number n+1 | 09:14 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | yep. understood | 09:15 |
| RichEd | just done my session though ... so brain is now more available | 09:15 |
| RichEd | just need to manage the education track for the rest of the day (as host) and then down to mingling and chatting | 09:15 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Patrick__, can you email me the last 10 minutes of logs from this channel before i closed the sess8ion? | 09:15 |
| Patrick__ | yes | 09:16 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | RichEd, you at the ubuntu live thingy too? | 09:16 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Patrick__, i need it to get some contect back into my brain L:( | 09:16 |
| Patrick__ | can i send files with irc ? | 09:17 |
| RichEd | Kamping_Kaiser: yes ... had to deliver 1 session (reference case studies) and then host edu track | 09:17 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Patrick__, not sure.... | 09:17 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Patrick__, my email is karl@itshare.org.au if it helps | 09:17 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | RichEd, cool. | 09:18 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | RichEd, i'm off to PNG in about 26 hours, so unless you catch me in the next day or so i'll see you in a month :o | 09:18 |
| RichEd | Kamping_Kaiser: best of luck ... try to avoid the head hunters unless you are *really* sure they are the job offer type ;) | 09:18 |
| Patrick__ | ok email was sent | 09:19 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Patrick__, thanks | 09:20 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | RichEd, well.... i'll try :) | 09:20 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | *waits for email to arrive* | 09:21 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hm. patrics gone | 09:27 |
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| Patrick__ | sorry my firefox (and chatzilla) crashed | 09:28 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | ogra, does fiesty have logging setup on the clients by default, or does it have to be turned on post install? | 09:30 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hm. anyone got a recomendation for a place to try and offer help at 5am ? | 09:38 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Patrick__, where are you at with your problem? | 09:39 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | bleh. gnight all | 10:06 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Mon Jul 23 05:36:16 CST 2007 | 10:06 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | time for bed | 10:06 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | see you on the morrow perhaps, if not, around mid august | 10:06 |
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| cliebow | Hurray for Canada! | 11:38 |
| Burgundavia | cliebow: ? | 11:39 |
| cliebow | well....just been watching fifa under 20\ | 11:39 |
| cliebow | from toronto.. | 11:39 |
| cliebow | (i think) | 11:39 |
| Burgundavia | yes, toronto | 11:40 |
| Burgundavia | ironic that the biggest u20 ever was in a country not known for soccer | 11:40 |
| cliebow | at least they put it on tv..my tv guide wont even list cbc | 11:41 |
| cliebow | the Gernan Carl Heinz Runmenegge was a guy i always hollered for,.back when i was playing | 11:44 |
| cliebow | nowits all i can do to get across the street.. | 11:45 |
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