=== effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #edubuntu === pauljw [n=paul@pool82.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net] has joined #edubuntu === pauljw [n=paul@pool105.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net] has joined #edubuntu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.111.214] has joined #edubuntu === merriam__ [n=merriam@82-133-115-120.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu === pauljw [n=paul@pool105.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net] has joined #edubuntu === karl [n=karl@archie.idealso.com] has joined #edubuntu [02:54] i'm trying to get dual headed terminals booting in LTSP. I can get them to boot, but X won't start. I have their details specified in lts.conf, but it seems that they are still using the auto-generated xorg.conf files from boot. Any ideas? === sc0tt_ [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust150.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ is now known as sc0tt === jsgotangco [n=jsgotang@121.97.249.81] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === johnny [n=urr@66.93.119.120] has joined #edubuntu [07:47] hi folks anybody about? i'm attempting to convert an existing ubuntu installation to use ltsp, and was wondering if anybody here could help me since #ubuntu is such a wasteland [07:48] i've got the clients starting to boot, but they hang at the ubuntu logo [07:48] and i can't even get to verbose mode [07:55] johnny: sounds like a problem with a chroot === cajan [n=cajan@dip-58-6-28-26.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [08:18] i got farther, figured out how to enable verbose mode from the pxe default config file [08:18] suprised that debian has nice tools that ubuntu doesn't have [08:19] my friend had been touting debian..and i was like what??? [08:19] anyways [08:19] johnny: what tools? [08:19] some ltsp-admin [08:19] cli admin interface for setting up clients [08:19] it sets up nfs roots and mounts [08:19] among other things [08:19] didn't get to play much [08:19] but back to ubuntu [08:20] it's trying to load some amd64 file but i can't seem to figure out how [08:20] cuz the server is amd64, but i built a i386 client [08:20] it seems to be looking in the wrong place for tftp config [08:20] which version of Ubuntu are you using?' [08:21] feisty [08:22] hmm [08:29] uggh.. i guess i'll have to come back tomorrow [08:29] thanks anyways .. it's definitely too late for tonight :) [08:29] night === t94xr [n=gta@60-234-134-174.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #edubuntu === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #edubuntu === johnny [n=urr@c-24-126-70-252.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p57A96014.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsgotang@121.97.249.81] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsgotang@121.97.249.81] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsgotang@121.97.249.81] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@145.Red-83-56-156.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco_ [n=jsgotang@121.97.246.188] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco_ is now known as jsgotangco === pauljw [n=paul@pool239.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net] has joined #edubuntu === pauljw [n=paul@pool239.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust150.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ is now known as sc0tt === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu === sacater [n=sacater@ubuntu/member/colchester-lug.sacater] has joined #edubuntu === `6og [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth is now known as NotAmaranth === NotAmaranth is now known as Amaranth === `6og [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #edubuntu === zulfajuniadi [n=zulfa@61.161.50.60.kbu01-home.tm.net.my] has joined #edubuntu === Bambi_BOFH [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #edubuntu [06:55] anyone knows how to solve my problem? i've set up a thin client booting off my edubuntu server, i can log in on my client, but "thin client manager" -> Screen viewer, it says unavailable, install x11vnc on client. [06:56] have you installed x11vnc on the client? [06:56] its booting off 100% from the server, i did install it on the server though [06:57] zulfajuniadi, did you install it in the clients chroot? [06:58] how do i do that? [06:58] follow the howto ;) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients [06:58] thanks m8 :) [06:59] ogra, hi mate :) [06:59] hey === ogra waves from ubuntulive === Bambi_BOFH is now known as Kamping_kaiser [06:59] zulfajuniadi, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ might be a good starting point as well ... [06:59] does edubuntu come with ltspcfg ? [07:00] no, ltspcfg is ltsp4 stuff [07:00] ogra, cool. *goes to look up ubuntu live * (grin) [07:00] http://www.ubuntulive.com [07:00] aha.. [07:00] johnny, ltsp5 sets up verything for you and does all stuff it needs automatic [07:01] gutsy might get http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/ (depending on my time i have left to finish it or someone stepping up to help on it) [07:02] but thats only to override the autodetected settings ... usually autodetection works fine === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #edubuntu [07:02] so which version is in regular ubuntu fiesty (i can't seem to remember the IP to login) [07:03] where the box is [07:03] to much automation -eq hard to administer (imo, of course) [07:03] 5.x [07:03] ok.. [07:03] i'm trying to do multiarch there [07:03] the docs aren't very explicit tho [07:03] i386 clients on amd64 server ? [07:03] i386,ppc clients on amd64 server [07:03] underway in Portland, OR <- whats OR? [07:03] oregon [07:04] ogra, ah [07:04] johnny, you can build i386 clients iwht --arch=i386 [07:04] yes.. [07:04] did that [07:04] johnny, ppc is somewaht tricky (we dropped official support for it in edgy ...) [07:04] ppc has to be built on a ppc system and copied onto the server [07:04] so its rather untested ... [07:04] hmm.. [07:04] hm. fogot ppc was dropped (thats what happens when you stop at LTS) [07:05] we have 4 PCs [07:05] 2 i386 , 2 ppc [07:05] kinda slow imacs [07:05] we might pick up thin client ppc support again though if a customer pays for the development ... [07:05] we're just a small collectively owned coffeeshop [07:06] i.e. a ppc client manufacturer who is intrested in getting them running on ppc [07:06] ogra, whats the chance of a purely community powered PPC thin client setup? slim? [07:06] Kamping_kaiser, ask cliebow ;) he's the one keeping up the ppc flag in ltsp world ;) [07:07] ogra, so, i'll start sucking up to cliebow about nwo then ;) [07:07] Kamping_kaiser, but as i said there are soe companies that produce ppc client HW ... they might come and pay for it ... [07:07] so.. what i have to do .. is upgrade the ppc boxes to feisty, then install ltsp and then run ltsp build client and copy it to the server? [07:07] right [07:08] and the ppc dir under /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp [07:08] and then to configure it on the server side i do what? [07:08] ogra, might, we can only hope [07:08] set it by mac addresses? [07:08] you need to have a special dhcpd.conf for ppc [07:08] i'm using dnsmasq there [07:08] look at wiki.ltsporg [07:08] you only need to do one system, not all the macs :) [07:08] it doesnt really differ === bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #edubuntu [07:08] oh, no clue about dnsmasq here [07:09] we use dhcpd3 [07:09] never used dnsmasq's dhcp server [07:09] only its dns bits ;) === cottima [n=cottima@ip24-252-129-124.rn.hr.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:10] oh i didn't realize you meant that there was no fesity for ppc. i thought you meant there was no edubuntu for it :) [07:10] hello [07:10] or no ltsp for it [07:10] there is feisty ppc ... [07:10] johnny, hehe [07:10] but it's unsupported [07:10] cottima, hi :) [07:10] we just didnt test it as much [07:10] well i'll prolly work [07:10] worth a shot at least [07:10] johnny, there are packages, its just not offical [07:11] at least you guys can rely a bit on upstream debian [07:11] debian is downstream [07:11] they pull from you guys now? [07:11] actually its at least two releases behind on ltsp [07:11] they do since ltsp5 exists [07:11] well.. i mean for the packages in general === Kamping_kaiser resists the urge to do the usual ancient debian jokes [07:12] right, there they are our base [07:12] even though the most important packages are heavily modified [07:12] johnny, iirc ltsp is one of the places that ubuntu does the work, and debian picks up the patches [07:12] hmm.. good to know [07:12] nice [07:12] I want to back up the fat32 partitions on my clients for ltsp. I have use ntfsclone (which copies used areas and metadata) and seen clonezilla (which claims to do something like ntfsclone, not like dd). Has anyone used clonezilla or have a better suggest? (Sorry for the long question.) [07:13] personally use gentoo, but my gf , friends, and this shop all run gentoo [07:13] err [07:13] ubuntu [07:13] why dont you just mount them ? === johnny tries to wake up [07:13] (as an aside, Spike Milligan is an absolute *Genius*) [07:13] i use gentoo.. they all use ubuntu [07:13] so i'm used to working with it [07:13] of course.. my other true geeky friend is spouting off about debian :) [07:14] cottima, i dont understand your situation [07:15] Kamping_kaiser: For backing up fat32 partitions: I want to be able to mount the image later and not have a 10gb image for a 10 partition that only has 3gb used. Ntfsclone does this. [07:16] Am I making more sense? or not? [07:16] cottima, just mount it [07:16] then copy the contents [07:16] cottima, i dont think i can help you :( i assume your running some new version of ubuntu, as i dont know anything about what your talking about :| [07:16] rsync :) [07:16] rsync -azv :) [07:17] I am trying to look for software. [07:17] backuppc ? [07:17] compex, but does the job well [07:17] *plex [07:17] ogra, are you saying fat32 has no metadata and just a copy does a good enough job? [07:18] fat32 is useless :\ [07:18] cottima, well, why would you want to backup the fat sectors ? === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:20] well, removing all partitions on the hard drive and if I missed coping something like a registration key. I could later mount and run something like qemu or virtualbox. [07:21] that is why I want to copy everything, but not have a 10gb image for a 10gb part w/ 3gb used. [07:22] rsync might do what you want [07:23] Well, I will use rsync or backuppc for another project, but I used dd yesterday and took 3 hours === bdoin [n=coudoin@home.gcompris.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:25] I have to go. Thank you Kamping_kaiser and ogra! [07:25] cottima, good luck [07:26] thank you. maybe like always I am making things complicated. Have a good day. Later [07:29] orga, i did install everything as on the [07:30] wiki but i still cannot see the thin clients monitor [07:31] zulfajuniadi: it should be under System->Administration [07:31] Thin Client Manager [07:31] it seems that there is an error while running x11vnc: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) [07:31] yes sbalneav. i'm aware of that [07:36] nyone knows how to solve my problem? i've set up a thin client booting off my edubuntu server, i can log in on my client, but "thin client manager" -> Screen viewer, it says unavailable, install x11vnc on client. after following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients , i still cannot see the thin clients monitor. it seems that there is an error while running x11vnc: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) [07:37] zulfajuniadi: lets see if you've got everything installed that you need. [07:37] sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 [07:37] yes [07:37] then lets do a dpkg -l | grep x11vnc [07:38] What do you get? [07:38] ii x11vnc 0.8.2-1 VNC server which uses your current X11 sessi [07:39] ok [07:39] while still in the chroot, can you paste your /etc/rc.local to the pastebin? [07:39] !pastebin [07:39] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [07:39] as well, also paste your /etc/lts.conf [07:40] Let me know what the URL's are for those pastes. [07:40] /etc/lts.conf is using the default settings (i have not modified it) [07:41] x11vnc -display :6 -forever -loop & [07:41] thats the line before exit 0 [07:41] zulfajuniadi: I'd like to see the whole rc.local file, if you don't mind. [07:41] paste it to the pastebin [07:43] everything before that line is commented (#), but if you want it anyway, http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/30801/ [07:44] ok, now lets look in /etc/rc2.d [07:45] ls -la S99rc.local [07:46] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2007-07-22 11:07 S99rc.local -> ../init.d/rc.local [07:46] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2007-07-22 11:07 S99rc.local -> ../init.d/rc.local [07:46] sorry, hihi [07:46] Looks ok. [07:46] Let me set it up here on my box, see if I can get it working. [07:47] ok tq [07:54] restarting brb === zulfajuniadi [n=zulfa@61.161.50.60.kbu01-home.tm.net.my] has left #edubuntu [] === zulfajuniadi [n=zulfa@61.161.50.60.kbu01-home.tm.net.my] has joined #edubuntu === leetcharmer [n=ch4rm@pool-71-123-234-4.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:59] hello everone === froud [n=sean@dsl-242-170-173.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [07:59] do you know how to setup a web-based media server with my edubuntu host? [08:00] so others can download files via a local website on the network? [08:01] How complex a system are you looking for? [08:01] Simple thing would be to just install apache, and set up your file area and some static web pages. [08:02] I want a website that will allow anyone on the network to access any of their files, uploading/downloading and streaming === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [08:02] wb ogra [08:02] music/videos etc [08:02] sbalneav: issue resolved: apt-get install as root from the thin client === littlepaul [n=littlepa@ip46.231.reserved.ish.de] has joined #edubuntu [08:03] alternatively to a website, I would like the network share to be accessed as a drive on any windows/ubuntu comps on the network [08:03] so it can look like a local harddrive [08:03] smb/nfs [08:03] and mount through fstab [08:04] I've installed samba [08:04] and I think I've created one user account [08:04] I don't know how to make others [08:04] just one for the administrator on the edubuntu host === Patrick__ [n=chatzill@p5493694B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:04] ping Kamping_kaiser :) [08:05] leetcharmer: System -> Administration -> Users and Groups? [08:05] I meant in samba [08:06] littlepaul, hi mate [08:06] i dont think i follow you leetcharmer [08:06] Kamping_kaiser, may I query you for some questions? :) [08:06] in order to login to a network share on my edubuntu system, I have to make different users, right? [08:07] hm. i clearly have NFI about using rsync - i want to use it to save re downlaodign files. here i am downloading everying again :( [08:07] littlepaul, sure. in PM or here as you will [08:07] leetcharmer: it depends on the settings i guess, if you use just the normal samba setting, it should work ok (as far as i remember). [08:08] what are the normal samba settings? [08:09] leetcharmer: how do you normally share a folder? through system -> administration -> shared folders? [08:09] never shared a folder before [08:10] I was just following some online terminal stuff [08:11] try through system -> administration -> shared folders, it should work ok. [08:16] Mon Jul 23 03:46:05 CST 2007 [08:16] bleh. [08:16] i need more red bull :( [08:20] or a better timezone :) [08:20] it didn't work [08:21] I can't find the unix or samba share on the network [08:21] ogra, yes, well thats a possible problem too :| === humbolto [n=elias@213-147-185-150.ADSL.ycn.com] has joined #edubuntu [08:24] leetcharmer: ctrl + l in nautilus, write smb://10.0.0.10 (where 10.0.0.10 is your server's ip) [08:25] Sorry, couldn't display all the contents of "Windows Network: 192.168.1.107". [08:27] brb === zulfajuniadi [n=zulfa@61.161.50.60.kbu01-home.tm.net.my] has left #edubuntu [] [08:27] Kamping_kaiser, fwiw http://169.244.3.137/dhcpd.conf === Kamping_kaiser sees 169 and twitches === ananas [n=ananas@xdslcp246.osnanet.de] has joined #edubuntu === Kamping_kaiser is now known as Kamping_Kaiser [08:33] :( why can't I find my edubuntu share on the network? [08:52] hello can someone tell me why my LTSP client stops with "Starting NBD client process: Connecting...Activating... nbd-client." on booting edubuntu from the edubuntu terminal server ? [08:53] Patrick__, can you give us any mroe dtails [08:53] ananas, is this the same error you get? [08:53] i talked to ananas but he could not help [08:54] Patrick__, do you have a login on the client (to check logs)? [08:54] Patrick__, have you looked in the server logs? [08:55] no i can't login in the client and i looked into the syslog but i do not know what i should serch for [08:55] Patrick__: Which version of edubuntu are you using? [08:56] 7.04 [08:57] Do you get the login screen? [08:57] no [08:58] i just installed and edited the lts.conf (XSERVER=vesa) and then tried to boot the client [08:58] So X doesn't start at all? [08:58] no it does not [08:58] What happens if you just get rid of the XSERVER line, and let ltsp autodetect the card? [08:59] this means XSERVER=auto ? [09:00] Patrick__, #XSERVER=whatever [09:00] Patrick__, the XSERVER line (for all aparent needs and purposes) doesnt exist, its commented [09:01] Patrick__, hint: on my chroot i gave myself a login so i could log in and look at logs while using the system === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [09:03] a) commenting XSERVER doesn't change anything b) what do you mean with giving yourself a login on your chroo [09:03] t [09:03] Patrick__, i have a shell login (so i installed ssh into my chroot), so i can ssh into clients (it was useful for testing initally) === RichEd [n=richard@ip2.fa1-0-2.occ.iinet.com] has joined #edubuntu [09:05] my knowlege on linux is not so good that i could say that i know how to do this [09:06] ah right. [09:06] RichEd, hi mate [09:07] Patrick__, `sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386` === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has left #edubuntu ["You] === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu [09:07] blah! [09:07] i keep forgetting GTK uses ^W to close stuff :( [09:07] hi Kamping_Kaiser ... was just checking to see if you were alive ... but had unknown in the "last message" status === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [09:08] ok [09:08] RichEd well, i'm aliveish :) [09:08] Patrick__, sorry, where were we? [09:08] Kamping_Kaiser: yep ... ^w gets me sometimes as well [09:08] `sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386` [09:08] hehe [09:09] Patrick__, ah right. you should get a root shell (root@something~:) [09:09] yes [09:09] Patrick__, then `adduser yourname` (yourname being whatever login you want) [09:09] Patrick__, there was something else, but my train of thoughts been derailed :( [09:10] whats the topic in here atm ? :( [09:13] i added a user to the chroot as you told me [09:13] RichEd, were you after me for any specific reason? btw, did you get my email re change of email addy for the next month? === Kamping_Kaiser wonders how to view hte last sessions logs in xchat [09:14] Kamping_Kaiser: no & no [09:14] RichEd, hm. [09:14] 1. just a hi seeing as I am in a somewhat compatible time zone [09:14] 2. been busy with conference prep. so mail is priority number n+1 [09:15] yep. understood [09:15] just done my session though ... so brain is now more available [09:15] just need to manage the education track for the rest of the day (as host) and then down to mingling and chatting [09:15] Patrick__, can you email me the last 10 minutes of logs from this channel before i closed the sess8ion? [09:16] yes [09:16] RichEd, you at the ubuntu live thingy too? [09:16] Patrick__, i need it to get some contect back into my brain L:( [09:17] can i send files with irc ? [09:17] Kamping_Kaiser: yes ... had to deliver 1 session (reference case studies) and then host edu track [09:17] Patrick__, not sure.... [09:17] Patrick__, my email is karl@itshare.org.au if it helps [09:18] RichEd, cool. [09:18] RichEd, i'm off to PNG in about 26 hours, so unless you catch me in the next day or so i'll see you in a month :o [09:18] Kamping_Kaiser: best of luck ... try to avoid the head hunters unless you are *really* sure they are the job offer type ;) [09:19] ok email was sent [09:20] Patrick__, thanks [09:20] RichEd, well.... i'll try :) [09:21] *waits for email to arrive* [09:27] hm. patrics gone === Patrick__ [n=chatzill@p5493694B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:28] sorry my firefox (and chatzilla) crashed === Patrick__ [n=chatzill@p5493694B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:30] ogra, does fiesty have logging setup on the clients by default, or does it have to be turned on post install? [09:38] hm. anyone got a recomendation for a place to try and offer help at 5am ? [09:39] Patrick__, where are you at with your problem? === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === ulisse [n=ulisse@host154-131-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #edubuntu === ulisse [n=ulisse@host154-131-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #edubuntu [] [10:06] bleh. gnight all [10:06] Mon Jul 23 05:36:16 CST 2007 [10:06] time for bed [10:06] see you on the morrow perhaps, if not, around mid august === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd [n=richard@ip2.fa1-0-2.occ.iinet.com] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@141.234.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #edubuntu [11:38] Hurray for Canada! [11:39] cliebow: ? [11:39] well....just been watching fifa under 20\ [11:39] from toronto.. 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