[02:54] <karl> i'm trying to get dual headed terminals booting in LTSP. I can get them to boot, but X won't start. I have their details specified in lts.conf, but it seems that they are still using the auto-generated xorg.conf files from boot. Any ideas?
[07:47] <johnny> hi folks anybody about? i'm attempting to convert an existing ubuntu installation to use ltsp, and was wondering if anybody here could help me since #ubuntu is such a wasteland
[07:48] <johnny> i've got the clients starting to boot, but they hang at the ubuntu logo
[07:48] <johnny> and i can't even get to verbose mode
[07:55] <Burgundavia> johnny: sounds like a problem with a chroot
[08:18] <johnny> i got farther, figured out how to enable verbose mode from the pxe default config file
[08:18] <johnny> suprised that debian has nice tools that ubuntu doesn't have
[08:19] <johnny> my friend had been touting debian..and i was like what???
[08:19] <johnny> anyways
[08:19] <Burgundavia> johnny: what tools?
[08:19] <johnny> some ltsp-admin
[08:19] <johnny> cli admin interface for setting up clients
[08:19] <johnny> it sets up nfs roots and mounts
[08:19] <johnny> among other things
[08:19] <johnny> didn't get to play much
[08:19] <johnny> but back to ubuntu
[08:20] <johnny> it's trying to load some amd64 file but i can't seem to figure out how
[08:20] <johnny> cuz the server is amd64, but i built a i386 client
[08:20] <johnny> it seems to be looking in the wrong place for tftp config
[08:20] <Burgundavia> which version of Ubuntu are you using?'
[08:21] <johnny> feisty
[08:22] <Burgundavia> hmm
[08:29] <johnny> uggh.. i guess i'll have to come back tomorrow
[08:29] <johnny> thanks anyways .. it's definitely too late for tonight :)
[08:29] <johnny> night
[06:55] <zulfajuniadi> anyone knows how to solve my problem? i've set up a thin client booting off my edubuntu server, i can log in on my client, but "thin client manager" -> Screen viewer, it says unavailable, install x11vnc on client.
[06:56] <Bambi_BOFH> have you installed x11vnc on the client?
[06:56] <zulfajuniadi> its booting off 100% from the server, i did install it on the server though
[06:57] <Bambi_BOFH> zulfajuniadi, did you install it in the clients chroot?
[06:58] <zulfajuniadi> how do i do that?
[06:58] <ogra> follow the howto ;) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients
[06:58] <zulfajuniadi> thanks m8 :)
[06:59] <Bambi_BOFH> ogra, hi mate :)
[06:59] <ogra> hey
[06:59] <ogra> zulfajuniadi, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ might be a good starting point as well ...
[06:59] <johnny> does edubuntu come with ltspcfg ?
[07:00] <ogra> no, ltspcfg is ltsp4 stuff
[07:00] <Kamping_kaiser> ogra, cool. *goes to look up ubuntu live * (grin)
[07:00] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulive.com
[07:00] <johnny> aha..
[07:00] <ogra> johnny, ltsp5 sets up verything for you and does all stuff it needs automatic
[07:01] <ogra> gutsy might get http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/ (depending on my time i have left to finish it or someone stepping up to help on it)
[07:02] <ogra> but thats only to override the autodetected settings ... usually autodetection works fine
[07:02] <johnny> so which version is in regular ubuntu fiesty (i can't seem to remember the IP to login)
[07:03] <johnny> where the box is
[07:03] <Kamping_kaiser> to much automation -eq hard to administer (imo, of course)
[07:03] <Kamping_kaiser> 5.x
[07:03] <johnny> ok..
[07:03] <johnny> i'm trying to do multiarch there
[07:03] <johnny> the docs aren't very explicit tho
[07:03] <ogra> i386 clients on amd64 server ?
[07:03] <johnny> i386,ppc clients on amd64 server
[07:03] <Kamping_kaiser> underway in Portland, OR <- whats OR?
[07:03] <ogra> oregon
[07:04] <Kamping_kaiser> ogra, ah
[07:04] <Kamping_kaiser> johnny, you can build i386 clients iwht --arch=i386
[07:04] <johnny> yes..
[07:04] <johnny> did that
[07:04] <ogra> johnny, ppc is somewaht tricky (we dropped official support for it in edgy ...)
[07:04] <Kamping_kaiser> ppc has to be built on a ppc system and copied onto the server
[07:04] <ogra> so its rather untested ...
[07:04] <johnny> hmm..
[07:04] <Kamping_kaiser> hm. fogot ppc was dropped (thats what happens when you stop at LTS)
[07:05] <johnny> we have 4 PCs
[07:05] <johnny> 2 i386 , 2 ppc
[07:05] <johnny> kinda slow imacs
[07:05] <ogra> we might pick up thin client ppc support again though if a customer pays for the development ...
[07:05] <johnny> we're just a small collectively owned coffeeshop
[07:06] <ogra> i.e. a ppc client manufacturer who is intrested in getting them running on ppc
[07:06] <Kamping_kaiser> ogra, whats the chance of a purely community powered PPC thin client setup? slim?
[07:06] <ogra> Kamping_kaiser, ask cliebow ;) he's the one keeping up the ppc flag in ltsp world  ;)
[07:07] <Kamping_kaiser> ogra, so, i'll start sucking up to cliebow about nwo then ;)
[07:07] <ogra> Kamping_kaiser, but as i said there are soe companies that produce ppc client HW ... they might come and pay for it ...
[07:07] <johnny> so.. what i have to do .. is upgrade the ppc boxes to feisty, then install ltsp and then run ltsp build client and copy it to the server?
[07:07] <ogra> right
[07:08] <ogra> and the ppc dir under /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
[07:08] <johnny> and then to configure it on the server side i do what?
[07:08] <Kamping_kaiser> ogra, might, we can only hope
[07:08] <johnny> set it by mac addresses?
[07:08] <ogra> you need to have a special dhcpd.conf for ppc
[07:08] <johnny> i'm using dnsmasq there
[07:08] <ogra> look at wiki.ltsporg
[07:08] <Kamping_kaiser> you only need to do one system, not all the macs :)
[07:08] <ogra> it doesnt really differ
[07:08] <ogra> oh, no clue about dnsmasq here
[07:09] <ogra> we use dhcpd3
[07:09] <Kamping_kaiser> never used dnsmasq's dhcp server
[07:09] <Kamping_kaiser> only its dns bits ;)
[07:10] <johnny> oh i didn't realize you meant that there was no fesity for ppc. i thought you meant there was no edubuntu for it :)
[07:10] <cottima> hello
[07:10] <johnny> or no ltsp for it
[07:10] <ogra> there is feisty ppc ...
[07:10] <Kamping_kaiser> johnny, hehe
[07:10] <johnny> but it's unsupported
[07:10] <Kamping_kaiser> cottima, hi :)
[07:10] <ogra> we just didnt test it as much
[07:10] <johnny> well i'll prolly work
[07:10] <johnny> worth a shot at least
[07:10] <Kamping_kaiser> johnny, there are packages, its just not offical
[07:11] <johnny> at least you guys can rely a bit on upstream debian
[07:11] <ogra> debian is downstream
[07:11] <johnny> they pull from you guys now?
[07:11] <ogra> actually its at least two releases behind on ltsp
[07:11] <ogra> they do since ltsp5 exists
[07:11] <johnny> well.. i mean for the packages in general
[07:12] <ogra> right, there they are our base
[07:12] <ogra> even though the most important packages are heavily modified
[07:12] <Kamping_kaiser> johnny, iirc ltsp is one of the places that ubuntu does the work, and debian picks up the patches
[07:12] <johnny> hmm.. good to know
[07:12] <johnny> nice
[07:12] <cottima> I want to back up the fat32 partitions on my clients for ltsp.  I have use ntfsclone (which copies used areas and metadata) and seen clonezilla (which claims to do something like ntfsclone, not like dd).  Has anyone used clonezilla or have a better suggest?  (Sorry for the long question.)
[07:13] <johnny> personally use gentoo, but my gf , friends, and this shop all run gentoo
[07:13] <johnny> err
[07:13] <johnny> ubuntu
[07:13] <ogra> why dont you just mount them ?
[07:13] <Kamping_kaiser> (as an aside, Spike Milligan is an absolute *Genius*)
[07:13] <johnny> i use gentoo.. they all use ubuntu
[07:13] <johnny> so i'm used to working with it
[07:13] <johnny> of course.. my other true geeky friend is spouting off about debian :)
[07:14] <Kamping_kaiser> cottima, i dont understand your situation
[07:15] <cottima> Kamping_kaiser:  For backing up fat32 partitions:  I want to be able to mount the image later and not have a 10gb image for a 10 partition that only has 3gb used.  Ntfsclone does this.
[07:16] <cottima> Am I making more sense? or not?
[07:16] <ogra> cottima, just mount it
[07:16] <ogra> then copy the contents
[07:16] <Kamping_kaiser> cottima, i dont think i can help you :( i assume your running some new version of ubuntu, as i dont know anything about what your talking about :|
[07:16] <Kamping_kaiser> rsync :)
[07:16] <Kamping_kaiser> rsync -azv :)
[07:17] <cottima> I am trying to look for software.
[07:17] <ogra> backuppc ?
[07:17] <Kamping_kaiser> compex, but does the job well
[07:17] <Kamping_kaiser> *plex
[07:17] <cottima> ogra,  are you saying fat32 has no metadata and just a copy does a good enough job?
[07:18] <Kamping_kaiser> fat32 is useless :\
[07:18] <ogra> cottima, well, why would you want to backup the fat sectors ?
[07:20] <cottima> well, removing all partitions on the hard drive and if I missed coping something like a registration key.  I could later mount and run something like qemu or virtualbox.
[07:21] <cottima> that is why I want to copy everything, but not have a 10gb image for a 10gb part w/ 3gb used.
[07:22] <Kamping_kaiser> rsync might do what you want
[07:23] <cottima> Well, I will use rsync or backuppc for another project, but I used dd yesterday and took 3 hours
[07:25] <cottima> I have to go.  Thank you Kamping_kaiser and ogra!
[07:25] <Kamping_kaiser> cottima, good luck
[07:26] <cottima> thank you.  maybe like always I am making things complicated.  Have a good day.  Later
[07:29] <zulfajuniadi> orga, i did install everything as on the
[07:30] <zulfajuniadi> wiki but i still cannot see the thin clients monitor
[07:31] <sbalneav> zulfajuniadi: it should be under System->Administration
[07:31] <sbalneav> Thin Client Manager
[07:31] <zulfajuniadi> it seems that there is an error while running x11vnc: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied)
[07:31] <zulfajuniadi> yes sbalneav. i'm aware of that
[07:36] <zulfajuniadi> nyone knows how to solve my problem? i've set up a thin client booting off my edubuntu server, i can log in on my client, but "thin client manager" -> Screen viewer, it says unavailable, install x11vnc on client. after following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients , i still cannot see the thin clients monitor. it seems that there is an error while running x11vnc: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied)
[07:37] <sbalneav> zulfajuniadi: lets see if you've got everything installed that you need.
[07:37] <sbalneav> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
[07:37] <zulfajuniadi> yes
[07:37] <sbalneav> then lets do a dpkg -l | grep x11vnc
[07:38] <sbalneav> What do you get?
[07:38] <zulfajuniadi> ii  x11vnc                           0.8.2-1                                VNC server which uses your current X11 sessi
[07:39] <sbalneav> ok
[07:39] <sbalneav> while still in the chroot, can you paste your /etc/rc.local to the pastebin?
[07:39] <sbalneav> !pastebin
[07:39] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:39] <sbalneav> as well, also paste your /etc/lts.conf
[07:40] <sbalneav> Let me know what the URL's are for those pastes.
[07:40] <zulfajuniadi> /etc/lts.conf is using the default settings (i have not modified it)
[07:41] <zulfajuniadi> x11vnc -display :6 -forever -loop &
[07:41] <zulfajuniadi> thats the line before exit 0
[07:41] <sbalneav> zulfajuniadi: I'd like to see the whole rc.local file, if you don't mind.
[07:41] <sbalneav> paste it to the pastebin
[07:43] <zulfajuniadi> everything before that line is commented (#), but if you want it anyway, http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/30801/
[07:44] <sbalneav> ok, now lets look in /etc/rc2.d
[07:45] <sbalneav> ls -la S99rc.local
[07:46] <zulfajuniadi> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2007-07-22 11:07 S99rc.local -> ../init.d/rc.local
[07:46] <zulfajuniadi> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2007-07-22 11:07 S99rc.local -> ../init.d/rc.local
[07:46] <zulfajuniadi> sorry, hihi
[07:46] <sbalneav> Looks ok.
[07:46] <sbalneav> Let me set it up here on my box, see if I can get it working.
[07:47] <zulfajuniadi> ok tq
[07:54] <zulfajuniadi> restarting brb
[07:59] <leetcharmer> hello everone
[07:59] <leetcharmer> do you know how to setup a web-based media server with my edubuntu host?
[08:00] <leetcharmer> so others can download files via a local website on the network?
[08:01] <sbalneav> How complex a system are you looking for?
[08:01] <sbalneav> Simple thing would be to just install apache, and set up your file area and some static web pages.
[08:02] <leetcharmer> I want a website that will allow anyone on the network to access any of their files, uploading/downloading and streaming
[08:02] <Kamping_kaiser> wb ogra
[08:02] <leetcharmer> music/videos etc
[08:02] <zulfajuniadi> sbalneav: issue resolved: apt-get install as root from the thin client
[08:03] <leetcharmer> alternatively to a website, I would like the network share to be accessed as a drive on any windows/ubuntu comps on the network
[08:03] <leetcharmer> so it can look like a local harddrive
[08:03] <Kamping_kaiser> smb/nfs
[08:03] <zulfajuniadi> and mount through fstab
[08:04] <leetcharmer> I've installed samba
[08:04] <leetcharmer> and I think I've created one user account
[08:04] <leetcharmer> I don't know how to make others
[08:04] <leetcharmer> just one for the administrator on the edubuntu host
[08:04] <littlepaul> ping Kamping_kaiser :)
[08:05] <zulfajuniadi> leetcharmer: System -> Administration -> Users and Groups?
[08:05] <leetcharmer> I meant in samba
[08:06] <Kamping_kaiser> littlepaul, hi mate
[08:06] <zulfajuniadi> i dont think i follow you leetcharmer
[08:06] <littlepaul> Kamping_kaiser, may I query you for some questions? :)
[08:06] <leetcharmer> in order to login to a network share on my edubuntu system, I have to make different users, right?
[08:07] <Kamping_kaiser> hm. i clearly have NFI about using rsync - i want to use it to save re downlaodign files. here i am downloading everying again :(
[08:07] <Kamping_kaiser> littlepaul, sure. in PM or here as you will
[08:07] <zulfajuniadi> leetcharmer: it depends on the settings i guess, if you use just the normal samba setting, it should work ok (as far as i remember).
[08:08] <leetcharmer> what are the normal samba settings?
[08:09] <zulfajuniadi> leetcharmer: how do you normally share a folder? through system -> administration -> shared folders?
[08:09] <leetcharmer> never shared a folder before
[08:10] <leetcharmer> I was just following some online terminal stuff
[08:11] <zulfajuniadi> try through system -> administration -> shared folders, it should work ok.
[08:16] <Kamping_kaiser> Mon Jul 23 03:46:05 CST 2007
[08:16] <Kamping_kaiser> bleh.
[08:16] <Kamping_kaiser> i need more red bull :(
[08:20] <ogra> or a better timezone :)
[08:20] <leetcharmer> it didn't work
[08:21] <leetcharmer> I can't find the unix or samba share on the network
[08:21] <Kamping_kaiser> ogra, yes, well thats a possible problem too :|
[08:24] <zulfajuniadi> leetcharmer: ctrl + l in nautilus, write smb://10.0.0.10 (where 10.0.0.10 is your server's ip)
[08:25] <leetcharmer> Sorry, couldn't display all the contents of "Windows Network: 192.168.1.107".
[08:27] <zulfajuniadi> brb
[08:27] <cliebow> Kamping_kaiser, fwiw http://169.244.3.137/dhcpd.conf
[08:33] <leetcharmer> :( why can't I find my edubuntu share on the network?
[08:52] <Patrick__> hello can someone tell me why my LTSP client stops with "Starting NBD client process: Connecting...Activating... nbd-client." on booting edubuntu from the edubuntu terminal server ?
[08:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> Patrick__, can you give us any mroe dtails
[08:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> ananas, is this the same error you get?
[08:53] <Patrick__> i talked to ananas but he could not help
[08:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> Patrick__, do you have a login on the client (to check logs)?
[08:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> Patrick__, have you looked in the server logs?
[08:55] <Patrick__> no i can't login in the client and i looked into the syslog but i do not know what i should serch for
[08:55] <sbalneav> Patrick__: Which version of edubuntu are you using?
[08:56] <Patrick__> 7.04
[08:57] <sbalneav> Do you get the login screen?
[08:57] <Patrick__> no
[08:58] <Patrick__> i just installed and edited the lts.conf (XSERVER=vesa) and then tried to boot the client
[08:58] <sbalneav> So X doesn't start at all?
[08:58] <Patrick__> no it does not
[08:58] <sbalneav> What happens if you just get rid of the XSERVER line, and let ltsp autodetect the card?
[08:59] <Patrick__> this means XSERVER=auto ?
[09:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> Patrick__, #XSERVER=whatever
[09:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> Patrick__, the XSERVER line (for all aparent needs and purposes) doesnt exist, its commented
[09:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> Patrick__, hint: on my chroot i gave myself a login so i could log in and look at logs while using the system
[09:03] <Patrick__> a) commenting XSERVER doesn't change anything b) what do you mean with giving yourself a login on your chroo
[09:03] <Patrick__> t
[09:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> Patrick__, i have a shell login (so i installed ssh into my chroot), so i can ssh into clients (it was useful for testing initally)
[09:05] <Patrick__> my knowlege on linux is not so good that i could say that i know how to do this
[09:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah right.
[09:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, hi mate
[09:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> Patrick__, `sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386`
[09:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> blah!
[09:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> i keep forgetting GTK uses ^W to close stuff :(
[09:07] <RichEd> hi Kamping_Kaiser ... was just checking to see if you were alive ... but had unknown in the "last message" status
[09:08] <Patrick__> ok
[09:08] <Kamping_Kaiser>  RichEd well, i'm aliveish :)
[09:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> Patrick__, sorry, where were we?
[09:08] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: yep ... ^w gets me sometimes as well
[09:08] <Patrick__> `sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386`
[09:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[09:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> Patrick__, ah right. you should get a root shell (root@something~:)
[09:09] <Patrick__> yes
[09:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> Patrick__, then `adduser yourname` (yourname being whatever login you want)
[09:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> Patrick__, there was something else, but my train of thoughts been derailed :(
[09:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats the topic in here atm ? :(
[09:13] <Patrick__> i added a user to the chroot as you told me
[09:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, were you after me for any specific reason? btw, did you get my email re change of email addy for the next month?
[09:14] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: no & no
[09:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, hm.
[09:14] <RichEd> 1. just a hi seeing as I am in a somewhat compatible time zone
[09:14] <RichEd> 2. been busy with conference prep. so mail is priority number n+1
[09:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep. understood
[09:15] <RichEd> just done my session though ... so brain is now more available
[09:15] <RichEd> just need to manage the education track for the rest of the day (as host) and then down to mingling and chatting
[09:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> Patrick__, can you email me the last 10 minutes of logs from this channel before i closed the sess8ion?
[09:16] <Patrick__> yes
[09:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, you at the ubuntu live thingy too?
[09:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> Patrick__, i need it to get some contect back into my brain L:(
[09:17] <Patrick__> can i send files with irc ?
[09:17] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: yes ... had to deliver 1 session (reference case studies) and then host edu track
[09:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> Patrick__, not sure....
[09:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> Patrick__, my email is karl@itshare.org.au if it helps
[09:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, cool.
[09:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, i'm off to PNG in about 26 hours, so unless you catch me in the next day or so i'll see you in a month :o
[09:18] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: best of luck ... try to avoid the head hunters unless you are *really* sure they are the job offer type ;)
[09:19] <Patrick__> ok email was sent
[09:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> Patrick__, thanks
[09:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, well.... i'll try :)
[09:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> *waits for email to arrive*
[09:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. patrics gone
[09:28] <Patrick__> sorry my firefox (and chatzilla) crashed
[09:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra, does fiesty have logging setup on the clients by default, or does it have to be turned on post install?
[09:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. anyone got a recomendation for a place to try and offer help at 5am ?
[09:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> Patrick__, where are you at with your problem?
[10:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> bleh. gnight all
[10:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> Mon Jul 23 05:36:16 CST 2007
[10:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> time for bed
[10:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> see you on the morrow perhaps, if not, around mid august
[11:38] <cliebow> Hurray for Canada!
[11:39] <Burgundavia> cliebow: ?
[11:39] <cliebow> well....just been watching fifa under 20\
[11:39] <cliebow> from toronto..
[11:39] <cliebow> (i think)
[11:40] <Burgundavia> yes, toronto
[11:40] <Burgundavia> ironic that the biggest u20 ever was in a country not known for soccer
[11:41] <cliebow> at least they put it on tv..my tv guide wont even list cbc
[11:44] <cliebow> the Gernan Carl Heinz Runmenegge was a guy i always hollered for,.back when i was playing
[11:45] <cliebow> nowits all i can do to get across the street..