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reggaemanuyahoo \/01:06
crevettegoogle \/01:08
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DarkSun88Night01:35
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sacateryays01:58
sacatermy laptop went to tribe 3 without problems01:58
TheMusoHey folks.02:06
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xtknightTheMuso, hey02:30
xtknightone question if you don't mind02:30
TheMusoxtknight: Sure.02:30
xtknightTheMuso, so i'm modifying Adept to fix a translation.  the file i'm modifying is ./adept/installer/something.Desktop.  the folder ./debian/patches exists, indicating that it uses the patching system.  however, there is also ./adept/installer/debian, but with no patches subdirectory.  if i'm modifying something under ./adept/installer/debian, what should i do?02:32
xtknightscratch the last part.  that should read ./adept/debian02:32
xtknightthere is not even a "debian" under "./adept/installer"02:33
TheMusoxtknight: Any modifications under the debian dir are done directly. The You never use patches to modify what is in the deian dir. Patches are only for the upstream source.02:34
xtknightTheMuso, however, what i'm modifying is not under a debian dir02:34
TheMusoxtknight: So you modify the .desktop file in the debian dir, and make a note of what you have done in the changelog.02:34
TheMusoOh in that case, if the package already uses a patch system, you then create another patch to patch the desktop file.02:34
TheMusosorry, I misread.02:35
xtknightadept-2.1.2ubuntu26.1/adept/installer/adept_installer.desktop 02:35
xtknightya im just not sure if the ./installer/ dir uses a patch system also or not02:35
TheMusoRight so if you want to modify it, and there is debian/patches, then you make a patch.02:35
xtknightnot too familiar with it02:35
TheMusoWhat file extension do the patches in debian/patches have?02:35
xtknightok, if adept-2.1.2ubuntu26.1/debian/patches exists, then i must use that to modify adept-2.1.2ubuntu26.1/adept/installer/adept_installer.desktop?02:36
TheMusoYes. You need to create a new patch.02:36
xtknighti ask because there is a "debian" also under "adept" with no "patches", but i guess that doesn't matter02:36
xtknightunder that subdir adept02:36
xtknightright before installer02:36
TheMusoNo. The debian dir in the top source directory is what is used.02:36
xtknightthe debian/patches contains *.diff files02:37
TheMusoRight02:37
xtknightso looks like im all set.  col02:37
xtknightcool*02:37
TheMusoWhat build-depends does the package have? We need to know what patch system it uses.02:37
xtknightsimplepatch sys i think02:37
xtknightone sec02:37
xtknightBuild-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>> 4.1), dh-buildinfo, libapt-front-dev (>= 0.3.9ubuntu1), libapt-front-dev (<< 0.4), libtool, kdelibs4-dev (>= 3.5.0)02:38
TheMusoOk. Is there any mention of simple-patchsys in debian/rules?02:38
xtknightand in rules : include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk02:38
TheMusoOk. You can then use the cdbs-edit-patch command to help you make your patch.02:39
TheMusoman cdbs-edit-patch for more info.02:39
xtknightah, cool02:40
xtknightwow this is so much better than quilt02:40
xtknight;)02:40
xtknightjust seems more straight forward02:40
TheMusoheh02:40
TheMusoIf I ever have to apply a patch system to a package that doesn't use cdbs, I always use dpatch. :)02:41
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xtknightTheMuso, ok now the correct way to submit the patch is to do the usual debdiff?02:48
xtknightor..diff between the original adept dir and the one with my CDBS patch inside02:49
TheMusoThe debdiff is between the two source packages. So "debdiff orig.dsc new.dsc"02:50
TheMusofor example02:51
xtknightdiff'ing between the directories wouldn't be proper?02:51
TheMusoNo.02:55
TheMusoYou must use the dsc files with debdiff.02:55
xtknightTheMuso,  ok, if there is an XSBC-Original-Maintainer as the original deb maintainer, and a Maintainer as someone@ubuntu.com (not the generic MOTU address), then should i just leave it alone?03:03
xtknightthere's also an Uploaders field03:04
TheMusoxtknight: Just leave it.03:04
TheMusoI think adept is in main anyway.03:05
xtknightah, yup03:06
TheMusoc03:06
TheMusoarrrgh03:07
xtknightnow if i'm modifying something in main, does that also have to wait for Gutsy?  i see stuff saying feisty-proposed in the changelog, should that be what my change is?  my change would affect all versions03:07
xtknightjust a translation edit03:07
TheMuso I'd get the gutsy one in first, and then worry about feisty03:07
xtknightabout Bug 60258 (which was the one we were talking about the other day), i just have to wait for Sebastian Bacher to take a look at it?  we said there was something we needed to do about both feisty and gutsy and we'd deal with it later, just wondering what that would be03:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 60258 in gnome-art "Ruby crashes while using gnome-art-manager" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6025803:08
TheMusoWell if he is going to look at it, work it out with him.03:09
TheMusoBasically you need to determine whether its worth a Stable release update, SRU.03:09
TheMusoThere is docs in the wiki about it.03:09
xtknightit looks like it has been Assigned to him.  so i shouldn't need to bother him right?  (i'd prefer not to to be polite)03:11
TheMusoI'd ask him about it to be sure.03:11
xtknightnot to, to be polite*03:11
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xtknightbug 9585204:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 95852 in adept "Translations Danish K-Menu" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9585204:01
xtknighti should subscribe (or assign?) ubuntu-main-sponsors to the bug if there is a proposed patch?04:02
xtknightalso, what should the status of the bug be at that point?04:02
xtknight(adept is in main)04:02
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xtknightnevermind that.  i should have read the wiki :)  the answer is Subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors, status: Confirmed, assigned to nobody.04:08
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RAOFHappy birthday, BirthdayHobbsee?06:36
RAOF:)06:36
BirthdayHobbseeRAOF: :) thanks06:36
minghuaHappy birthday, Hobbsee!06:47
BirthdayHobbseethanks minghua :)06:47
whiteBirthdayHobbsee: happy bday06:48
BirthdayHobbseewhite: :)06:50
elkbuntuhappy birthday tooooo youuuuu... happy birthday toooo yoooooooou... happy biiiiirrrrrthdaaaaay ddeeeeeeeaaaar hobbseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee... happy birthday tooooo yoooouuuu!06:50
BirthdayHobbsee:D :D :D 06:50
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BirthdayHobbseehehe06:53
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DarkMageZBirthdayHobbsee, check your myspace :P07:02
BirthdayHobbseewoo!  a blinding message!07:02
BirthdayHobbseehahahhahahha :D07:02
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DarkMageZ:P07:06
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tuxmaniacBirthdayHobbsee, My best wishes for a long lasting Ubuntu addiction07:10
BirthdayHobbseetuxmaniac: :D07:10
BirthdayHobbseehaha07:10
ajmitchhappy birthday, BirthdayHobbsee 07:13
ajmitch;)07:14
BirthdayHobbseethanks ajmitch :)07:14
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tuxmaniac:)07:14
tuxmaniacajmitch, Hi. and Long time no see :-)07:14
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TheMuso~/c09:10
TheMusough09:10
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TheMusoStevenK: heh09:13
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elkbuntuStevenK, what's this? an evil plan? and nobody invited me?!09:23
StevenKelkbuntu: Feel free to drive up and help. :-)09:25
elkbuntuok. im just as lazy as i am evil09:26
DarkMageZi'm more evil. what's the plan!09:29
StevenKDemoting yada to universe09:31
TheMusohaha09:32
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StevenKBe glad09:32
TheMusoStevenK: So it seems.09:32
minghuaWhy was yada in main in the first place...09:34
BirthdayHobbseeevilness09:35
BirthdayHobbseebecause someone was sadistic09:35
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TheMusoi CAN BE EVIL IF i NEED TO BE.09:38
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vorlon<blink> why /was/ yada in main?09:40
StevenKIt's in main since 3 things in main Build-Depend on it09:40
vorlonwhich ones?09:40
StevenK% 09:41
StevenKgrep-dctrl -sPackage -FBuild-Depends 'yada' <(wget -qO - http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/source/Sources.gz | gunzip)09:41
StevenKPackage: libapache2-mod-auth-pam09:41
StevenKPackage: libapache2-mod-auth-plain09:41
StevenKPackage: libnss-db09:41
vorlonah, heh09:41
vorlonall dexter's, of course09:41
StevenKAhhh09:41
StevenKMr. yada him bloody self09:42
vorlonwell when you fix their build dependencies in Ubuntu, don't forget to helpfully send your patches to the BTS ;)09:42
StevenKI can NMU them. :-P09:42
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StevenKI have a 24K diff for libapache2-mod-auth-plain09:42
vorlonyou can't /properly/ NMU them09:42
StevenKWhy not?09:43
vorlonbecause that's not a proper change to make in an NMU09:43
StevenKSurely the RMs can make an exception for ridding the archive of the pox that is yada?09:43
vorlon(or maybe you misspelled "hijack"? :)09:43
StevenKOh, blah, I'm not hijacking. :-P09:43
vorlonwell, getting rid of yada is on the RMs wishlist. :)09:44
vorlonbut I think they stopped short of putting it as a lenny release goal without the consent of the maintainer. ;)09:44
StevenKIsn't dexter all but MIA anyway?09:45
vorlondunno09:45
StevenKAnyway, I shall do as you said. I'll upload the bunch of 3, get yada demoted, and send 3 patches helpfully to the BTS.09:45
StevenKMaybe starting the bug report with "Since yada is such a useless sack of sh...." isn't a good idea. :-)09:46
jeromeghello all09:59
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jeromegI need some help about bug 11453410:00
jeromegit's fixed in gutsy (normally)10:00
ubotuLaunchpad bug 114534 in gimmie "Suggested patches for gimmie" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11453410:00
jeromegbut it's still sending a huge amount of duplicates to the gnome BTS10:01
jeromegcould it be possible to apply the patches to the feisty package and have an updated package ?10:01
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RAOFjeromeg: Yes; that'd be an SRU.10:02
BirthdayHobbseejeromeg: not to feisty.  see !timebasedreleases10:02
BirthdayHobbseewould it be a SRU candidate?10:02
minghuaBirthdayHobbsee: patch looks small and sane enough for a SRU.10:02
jeromegSRU ?10:02
BirthdayHobbseeah, fair enough10:03
RAOFStable Release Update10:03
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minghuajeromeg: stable release update10:03
jeromegthx10:03
jeromegI think the gnome folks would be really pleased of that10:03
jeromegI can do something for that ?10:03
minghuajeromeg: Do you have a patch with proper spacing to attach to that bug?10:04
jeromegminghua: appart the one given in the report no10:04
minghuaLP eating space indents is really bad for python patches.10:04
jeromegminghua : I can maybe mail the reporter and ask him to attach the patches ?10:05
minghuajeromeg: the one in the report is copied and pasted, an attachment would be much better.10:05
jeromegminghua: ok I will ask for that10:05
jeromegand after that I can do something ?10:06
jeromegor it's a motu task ?10:06
minghuajeromeg: The process is described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU10:07
jeromegminghua: thx10:07
minghuaAfter reading it, I am not sure this qualify an SRU, though.10:08
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jeromegminghua: well it has a high-impact on the BTS :)10:10
minghuajeromeg: I don't approve SRUs, no point persuading me. :-P10:10
jeromegminghua: ah :)10:10
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DarkSun88Hi all11:41
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bmmHi everybody. I'm a newbie as for drupal development and I was wondering the following: I want to add a rating like system to some of the book pages but not all. How should I go about doing this: a new content type, a block or filter??02:43
zulbmm: totally offtopic02:44
man-dibmm: you should probably ask the drupal people02:46
bmmOh, my bad: wrong channel :-D02:52
bmmsorry!02:52
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LucidFoxIf I'm updating a package that has a Maintainer field in debian/control, what should I set XSBC-O-M to?03:00
LucidFoxmyself or that maintainer?03:00
StevenKThat Maintainer03:02
LucidFoxok03:04
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TheMusoc03:40
TheMusough03:40
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geserzul_: why didn't you follow standard procedures to sync a package from Debian and did a direct upload? (btw: pigment got already synced and is currently in NEW)04:17
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sacaterimbrandon: 04:36
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sacaterwhat was that link you gave gazzak or something04:36
sacaterthe simpsons thing04:36
jsgotangcocreate your own simpsons character? heh04:37
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_wattazoum_Hello there04:39
elkbuntusacater, you're thinking of the simpsonizeme.com link he blogged about?04:41
elkbuntuit kills my firefox every time :(04:41
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ScottKgeser: Why did you change the tags on Bug 12754805:32
ubotuLaunchpad bug 127548 in libdatetime-locale-perl "New version 0.34 of DateTime::Locale is available." [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12754805:32
geserisn't needs-packaging only for new software?05:35
geserand shouldn't new versions get "upgrade" as tag?05:36
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ScottKSince Debian doesn't have this version, someone would need to package it, right?05:37
ScottKIs the upgrade tag documented anywhere?05:37
geserhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags05:38
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ScottKgeser: OK.  Fair enough.  Upgrade is the right tag.  Thanks.05:39
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xtknightthe proper procedure for a Main bug is to subscribe to ubuntu-main-sponsors and do the rest the same, right?05:41
xtknightthe rest being set to Confirm and Assign to nobody after a patch has been posted (but not reviewed)05:41
geseryes05:41
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xtknightk05:42
xtknightmaybe this should be in the docs somewhere (even though this is MOTU)?05:42
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jwendellin order to make a new version of a package, the things to do are the same as if it was a new package, right (REVU stuff, etc)?05:44
ScottKjwendell: Yes, but new versions only need one MOTU advocating, not two.05:45
jwendellScottK, thanks05:46
ScottKIt's helpful to mention in a comment on REVU that it's an update to an existing package.05:46
jwendellright05:48
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LucidFoxWhen packaging a Java project that depends on external JAR libraries, can these libraries be distributed in JAR form in the upstream tarball?06:16
LucidFoxWhat do I need to ask upstream? To remove the JARs, or to replace them with source, or nothing?06:16
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ScottKman-di: LucidFox has a question up your alley^^^06:17
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LucidFoxApparently, the amount of jackassery of upstream maintainers is a gaussian function of the project's obscurity.06:25
LucidFoxThat is, very obscure and very mainstream projects are the most likely to make the suggested changes, while those in the middle will have a knee-jerk reaction.06:26
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man-diLucidFox: build the 3rd party jars from source as extra packages06:39
man-diLucidFox: other packages might need them too06:39
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man-diand build your package with the packaged versions of these jars06:39
man-diLucidFox: I know this is a lot of work but the only solution that helps all on the long run06:40
LucidFoxman-di> thanks06:40
man-diLucidFox: packaging java software is not easy as most upstreams miss the glue on how to release software06:40
LucidFoxcan these jars remain in the tarball, or should I get upstream to remove them?06:40
man-diLucidFox: we normally remove them06:40
LucidFoxok06:40
man-diand repackage orig.tar.gz06:41
man-diand write this into debian/README.Debian-source06:41
LucidFoxwell, it's better if upstream removes them, isn't it?06:41
man-diLucidFox: sure06:42
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man-diLucidFox: but that defeats their goal for the need to download one ZIP and all works06:42
man-diLucidFox: Java releases normally contain all dependencies06:43
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LucidFoxwhere do jar libraries go? /usr/lib?06:46
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man-diLucidFox: /usr/share/java06:48
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man-diLucidFox: please read the Debian Java Policy06:49
man-diLucidFox: its outdated and some things are not correct anymore, but its mostly correct06:49
ScottKman-di: Mostly correct documentation is the most dangerous kind.06:54
man-diScottK: I know...06:55
man-diwe are currently figuring out what to do06:55
man-diwith other distros06:55
man-dito get a Linux Java Platform that behaves the same on all major Linux distros06:55
LucidFoxWill I need to file a separate needs-packaging LP bug for every dependency?07:00
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man-diLucidFox: yes, as all are separate packages07:05
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ScottKDoes the Ubuntu MOTU process documenation require Needs Packaging bugs now?  They used to be optional.07:08
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LucidFoxman-di> Hmm. One of these libraries hasn't had new releases since 2000.07:14
AndyPScottK: i didn't think so. i personally picked up a couple of needs packaging bugs just to broaden my education07:20
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man-diLucidFox: if you need it, package it07:21
man-diLucidFox: either package it or dont package the software you want to package07:21
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LucidFoxall right07:24
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jwendellajmitch, around?07:33
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jwendellraphink, around?07:34
jwendelli uploaded a new package (with dput), but it didn't appear on revu page07:35
effie_jayx!best07:43
ubotuUsually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.07:43
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blueyedIf I make a change to debian/init in a package, this is not represented in a debdiff, is it? Do I miss an option to debuild?08:28
blueyedI mean debian/init.d08:29
ScottKIt should be.08:32
blueyedOh.. I think I've messed things up.. using "debuild -S" before "dch -i" already.08:35
ScottKThat'll do it.08:35
blueyedDoes Debian use a tmpfs for /var/run?08:39
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ScottKblueyed: Not normally.08:55
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NightroseA09:46
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nuutsomeone may re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring?09:56
RainCTcan somebody tell me on what wiki page backports are explained (basically how to request them)?09:57
nuuthave someone from REVU admins?09:58
RainCTah, nevermind. didn't see there's a search box lol09:58
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RainCTcan anyone please check if bug #127612 is ok?10:20
ubotuLaunchpad bug 127612 in feisty-backports "Please backport translate-toolkit" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12761210:20
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ScottKRainCT: Looking10:53
ScottKRainCT: All it needs is someone to say they've installed the backported package and it works.10:54
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KmosRainCT: http://sharkattack.media.mit.edu:8080/feisty-debs/translate-toolkit/11:10
RainCTKmos: Should I test this, or someone else?11:13
Kmosyeah11:13
Kmosand add comment11:13
Kmossee if it works fine in feisty11:13
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=== RainCT is installing it
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blueWorkingIs it a bad thing to redistribute .pc files in a non-dev package?11:28
RainCTKmos: works fine, writting a comment now :)11:28
Kmos:)11:29
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RainCT(posted)11:31
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geserblueWorking: do you have a separate -dev package?11:35
blueWorkingYes11:35
geserthen it's better to ship them in the -dev package11:36
blueWorkingBut the other applications that use this particular package needs to locate this package11:36
nuutwhy all my uploaded packages to REVU goto 'rejected' directory11:36
blueWorkingAnd pkg-config seems to be a nice clean way of doing this11:36
geserblueWorking: what kind of package is this?11:36
blueWorkinggeser, Think webserver11:36
blueWorkingAnd it needs to know the webroot11:36
blueWorkingIt's called Simias11:36
geserand it uses pkgconfig files for that?11:37
blueWorkingWell, it has those11:37
blueWorkingI need a way to locate the webroot in packages that uses Simias11:37
blueWorkingWhich they include a pc-file to11:37
geserdoes it have a config file?11:38
geserso when you want to have the webroot somewhere else you modify the .pc file?11:38
blueWorkingWell, sort of.11:38
blueWorkingThe PC file now doesn't do much as long as no packages are dependant.11:39
man-diblueWorking: I would call this "Very broken software"11:39
blueWorkingman-di, Oh, you have no idea. It wanted to install the webroot in /usr/libexec first11:40
man-diblueWorking: you better teach upstream before you package it11:40
blueWorkingman-di, I talk with upstream on a daily basis11:40
man-diblueWorking: otherwise it looks like rewriting the software from scratch is more simple ;-)11:41
blueWorkingI've told them and they sortof listen11:41
blueWorkingman-di, Well, not really. It's pretty fine so far, but this is the full information:11:41
blueWorkingI have this startscript for iFolder, an application using Simias.11:41
blueWorkingIt's a mono-application, and therefor uses MONO_PATH to locate it's assembiles. The simias assemblies are in /usr/lib/cli/simias-X.Y11:42
blueWorkingThe only clean way I can get those assemblies is to ask pkg-config atm11:42
nuutsiretart: Please re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring11:43
man-diblueWorking: I dont know anything about mono, but I would consider usage of pkg-config for this as severely broken11:45
blueWorkingman-di, I'll look into GAC a bit more, I'm pretty sure it can solve this. Thanks anyway11:48
ScottKRainCT: Acked to ubuntu-archive.  Now we wait for them to upload the backport.11:48
RainCTScottK, Kmos: ok, thanks11:48
blueWorkingman-di, FYI:11:49
blueWorkingAll GAC library packages should have a pkg-config .pc file located in /usr/lib/pkgconfig. The filename must be named: package-X.Y.pc including the versioning. The version must reflect the same X.Y version as the package name. There should also be a symlink without the version to the latest version, as follows: from package.pc to package-X.Y.pc11:49
blueWorkingSo I need to package the pc file apparentlf11:49
man-diblueWorking: what is GAC?11:51
blueWorkingGlobal Assembly Cache11:51
ajmitchblueWorking: you've looked at the licensing of simias?11:53
blueWorkingajmitch, GPL11:54
ajmitchlast I recall it's wasn't completely11:54
blueWorkingIt is nowadays11:54
blueWorkingI even confirmed by email11:55
ajmitch *  THIS WORK IS AN UNPUBLISHED WORK AND CONTAINS CONFIDENTIAL,11:55
ajmitch *  PROPRIETARY AND TRADE SECRET INFORMATION OF NOVELL, INC. ACCESS TO11:55
ajmitch *  THIS WORK IS RESTRICTED TO (I) NOVELL, INC. EMPLOYEES 11:55
ajmitchetc...11:55
blueWorkingVersion?11:55
ajmitchso unless you're looking at a newer version11:55
ajmitchsimias-1.2.5347.111:56
blueWorkingI'm using 1.511:56
ajmitchperhaps they have finally cleared things up, but please check it throughout the source11:56
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blueWorkingajmitch, I did that at 1.4, no problems. Haven't done it in 1.5 I have to admit11:59
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