=== crevette [n=crevette@man06-2-88-167-44-76.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === azeem_ [n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-37-220.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@212.2.21.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu === matysecek [n=matysek@192.Red-88-14-188.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crevette [n=crevette@man06-2-88-167-44-76.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-8-143.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:06] yahoo \/ [01:08] google \/ === matysek [n=matysek@123.Red-83-53-197.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ceros [n=user@c-76-111-84-156.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === matysecek [n=matysek@39.Red-83-40-70.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === matysecek [n=matysek@39.Red-83-40-70.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:35] Night === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@ubuntu/member/darksun88] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Sto] === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apacheLAGger [n=me@N774P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:58] yays [01:58] my laptop went to tribe 3 without problems [02:06] Hey folks. === EliasAmaral [n=dark@unaffiliated/EliasAmaral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === [GruncH] [n=gruncho@190-76-16-77.dyn.movilnet.com.ve] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chowmeined [n=will_@67.170.91.193] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:30] TheMuso, hey [02:30] one question if you don't mind [02:30] xtknight: Sure. [02:32] TheMuso, so i'm modifying Adept to fix a translation. the file i'm modifying is ./adept/installer/something.Desktop. the folder ./debian/patches exists, indicating that it uses the patching system. however, there is also ./adept/installer/debian, but with no patches subdirectory. if i'm modifying something under ./adept/installer/debian, what should i do? [02:32] scratch the last part. that should read ./adept/debian [02:33] there is not even a "debian" under "./adept/installer" [02:34] xtknight: Any modifications under the debian dir are done directly. The You never use patches to modify what is in the deian dir. Patches are only for the upstream source. [02:34] TheMuso, however, what i'm modifying is not under a debian dir [02:34] xtknight: So you modify the .desktop file in the debian dir, and make a note of what you have done in the changelog. [02:34] Oh in that case, if the package already uses a patch system, you then create another patch to patch the desktop file. [02:35] sorry, I misread. [02:35] adept-2.1.2ubuntu26.1/adept/installer/adept_installer.desktop [02:35] ya im just not sure if the ./installer/ dir uses a patch system also or not [02:35] Right so if you want to modify it, and there is debian/patches, then you make a patch. [02:35] not too familiar with it [02:35] What file extension do the patches in debian/patches have? [02:36] ok, if adept-2.1.2ubuntu26.1/debian/patches exists, then i must use that to modify adept-2.1.2ubuntu26.1/adept/installer/adept_installer.desktop? [02:36] Yes. You need to create a new patch. [02:36] i ask because there is a "debian" also under "adept" with no "patches", but i guess that doesn't matter [02:36] under that subdir adept [02:36] right before installer [02:36] No. The debian dir in the top source directory is what is used. [02:37] the debian/patches contains *.diff files [02:37] Right [02:37] so looks like im all set. col [02:37] cool* [02:37] What build-depends does the package have? We need to know what patch system it uses. [02:37] simplepatch sys i think [02:37] one sec [02:38] Build-Depends: cdbs, debhelper (>> 4.1), dh-buildinfo, libapt-front-dev (>= 0.3.9ubuntu1), libapt-front-dev (<< 0.4), libtool, kdelibs4-dev (>= 3.5.0) [02:38] Ok. Is there any mention of simple-patchsys in debian/rules? [02:38] and in rules : include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk [02:39] Ok. You can then use the cdbs-edit-patch command to help you make your patch. [02:39] man cdbs-edit-patch for more info. [02:40] ah, cool [02:40] wow this is so much better than quilt [02:40] ;) [02:40] just seems more straight forward [02:40] heh [02:41] If I ever have to apply a patch system to a package that doesn't use cdbs, I always use dpatch. :) === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:48] TheMuso, ok now the correct way to submit the patch is to do the usual debdiff? [02:49] or..diff between the original adept dir and the one with my CDBS patch inside [02:50] The debdiff is between the two source packages. So "debdiff orig.dsc new.dsc" [02:51] for example [02:51] diff'ing between the directories wouldn't be proper? [02:55] No. [02:55] You must use the dsc files with debdiff. [03:03] TheMuso, ok, if there is an XSBC-Original-Maintainer as the original deb maintainer, and a Maintainer as someone@ubuntu.com (not the generic MOTU address), then should i just leave it alone? [03:04] there's also an Uploaders field [03:04] xtknight: Just leave it. [03:05] I think adept is in main anyway. [03:06] ah, yup [03:06] c [03:07] arrrgh [03:07] now if i'm modifying something in main, does that also have to wait for Gutsy? i see stuff saying feisty-proposed in the changelog, should that be what my change is? my change would affect all versions [03:07] just a translation edit [03:07] I'd get the gutsy one in first, and then worry about feisty [03:08] about Bug 60258 (which was the one we were talking about the other day), i just have to wait for Sebastian Bacher to take a look at it? we said there was something we needed to do about both feisty and gutsy and we'd deal with it later, just wondering what that would be [03:08] Launchpad bug 60258 in gnome-art "Ruby crashes while using gnome-art-manager" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60258 [03:09] Well if he is going to look at it, work it out with him. [03:09] Basically you need to determine whether its worth a Stable release update, SRU. [03:09] There is docs in the wiki about it. [03:11] it looks like it has been Assigned to him. so i shouldn't need to bother him right? (i'd prefer not to to be polite) [03:11] I'd ask him about it to be sure. [03:11] not to, to be polite* === lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu === radhios [n=radhios@200-122-45-48.dsl.prima.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:01] bug 95852 [04:01] Launchpad bug 95852 in adept "Translations Danish K-Menu" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95852 [04:02] i should subscribe (or assign?) ubuntu-main-sponsors to the bug if there is a proposed patch? [04:02] also, what should the status of the bug be at that point? [04:02] (adept is in main) === jsgotangco [n=jsgotang@121.97.249.81] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:08] nevermind that. i should have read the wiki :) the answer is Subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors, status: Confirmed, assigned to nobody. === RAOF [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:cb36:1c18:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crevette [n=crevette@man06-2-88-167-44-76.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dabaR [n=dabaR@wnpgmb09dc1-159-42.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phlaegel [n=phlaegel@S01060016b619a773.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp59-167-16-86.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apacheLAGger [n=me@N864P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4d071512.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === neversfelde_ [n=neversfe@nrbg-4d071592.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp59-167-16-86.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:36] Happy birthday, BirthdayHobbsee? [06:36] :) [06:36] RAOF: :) thanks [06:47] Happy birthday, Hobbsee! [06:47] thanks minghua :) [06:48] BirthdayHobbsee: happy bday [06:50] white: :) [06:50] happy birthday tooooo youuuuu... happy birthday toooo yoooooooou... happy biiiiirrrrrthdaaaaay ddeeeeeeeaaaar hobbseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee... happy birthday tooooo yoooouuuu! [06:50] :D :D :D === RAOF sings along in a deep baritone he does not, in fact, possess. [06:53] hehe === tuxmaniac [n=tuxmania@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:02] BirthdayHobbsee, check your myspace :P [07:02] woo! a blinding message! [07:02] hahahhahahha :D === BirthdayHobbsee hugs DarkMageZ [07:06] :P === radhios [n=radhios@200-122-45-48.dsl.prima.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac sings Happy Birthday to you to BirthdayHobbsee and gives a hug. [07:10] BirthdayHobbsee, My best wishes for a long lasting Ubuntu addiction [07:10] tuxmaniac: :D [07:10] haha [07:13] happy birthday, BirthdayHobbsee [07:14] ;) [07:14] thanks ajmitch :) === BirthdayHobbsee hugs ajmitch and tuxmaniac [07:14] :) [07:14] ajmitch, Hi. and Long time no see :-) === ajmitch shrugs === marnanel [n=marnanel@pinkstuff.publication.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-150-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Spec [n=nwheeler@ubuntu/member/spec] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pipes [n=pipes@2404:130:1002:0:20c:29ff:feab:30b6] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pipes [n=pipes@2404:130:1002:0:20c:29ff:feab:30b6] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.142.50.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === acacs [n=acacs@20132173093.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-29-27.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:10] ~/c [09:10] ugh === StevenK works on an evil plan. [09:13] StevenK: heh === RAOF [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:23] StevenK, what's this? an evil plan? and nobody invited me?! [09:25] elkbuntu: Feel free to drive up and help. :-) [09:26] ok. im just as lazy as i am evil [09:29] i'm more evil. what's the plan! [09:31] Demoting yada to universe [09:32] haha === TheMuso has never heard of yada [09:32] Be glad [09:32] StevenK: So it seems. [09:34] Why was yada in main in the first place... [09:35] evilness [09:35] because someone was sadistic === ivoks [n=ivoks@18-251.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:38] i CAN BE EVIL IF i NEED TO BE. === eagles0513875 [n=jonathan@88.203.73.158] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:40] why /was/ yada in main? [09:40] It's in main since 3 things in main Build-Depend on it [09:40] which ones? [09:41] % [09:41] grep-dctrl -sPackage -FBuild-Depends 'yada' <(wget -qO - http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/source/Sources.gz | gunzip) [09:41] Package: libapache2-mod-auth-pam [09:41] Package: libapache2-mod-auth-plain [09:41] Package: libnss-db [09:41] ah, heh [09:41] all dexter's, of course [09:41] Ahhh [09:42] Mr. yada him bloody self [09:42] well when you fix their build dependencies in Ubuntu, don't forget to helpfully send your patches to the BTS ;) [09:42] I can NMU them. :-P === jeromeg [n=jerome@gra94-2-82-66-142-60.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:42] I have a 24K diff for libapache2-mod-auth-plain [09:42] you can't /properly/ NMU them [09:43] Why not? [09:43] because that's not a proper change to make in an NMU [09:43] Surely the RMs can make an exception for ridding the archive of the pox that is yada? [09:43] (or maybe you misspelled "hijack"? :) [09:43] Oh, blah, I'm not hijacking. :-P [09:44] well, getting rid of yada is on the RMs wishlist. :) [09:44] but I think they stopped short of putting it as a lenny release goal without the consent of the maintainer. ;) [09:45] Isn't dexter all but MIA anyway? [09:45] dunno [09:45] Anyway, I shall do as you said. I'll upload the bunch of 3, get yada demoted, and send 3 patches helpfully to the BTS. [09:46] Maybe starting the bug report with "Since yada is such a useless sack of sh...." isn't a good idea. :-) [09:59] hello all === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:00] I need some help about bug 114534 [10:00] it's fixed in gutsy (normally) [10:00] Launchpad bug 114534 in gimmie "Suggested patches for gimmie" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/114534 [10:01] but it's still sending a huge amount of duplicates to the gnome BTS [10:01] could it be possible to apply the patches to the feisty package and have an updated package ? === BirthdayHobbsee wonders what the other stuff on the RM wishlist is [10:02] jeromeg: Yes; that'd be an SRU. [10:02] jeromeg: not to feisty. see !timebasedreleases [10:02] would it be a SRU candidate? [10:02] BirthdayHobbsee: patch looks small and sane enough for a SRU. [10:02] SRU ? [10:03] ah, fair enough [10:03] Stable Release Update === BirthdayHobbsee didnt check [10:03] jeromeg: stable release update [10:03] thx [10:03] I think the gnome folks would be really pleased of that [10:03] I can do something for that ? [10:04] jeromeg: Do you have a patch with proper spacing to attach to that bug? [10:04] minghua: appart the one given in the report no [10:04] LP eating space indents is really bad for python patches. [10:05] minghua : I can maybe mail the reporter and ask him to attach the patches ? [10:05] jeromeg: the one in the report is copied and pasted, an attachment would be much better. [10:05] minghua: ok I will ask for that [10:06] and after that I can do something ? [10:06] or it's a motu task ? [10:07] jeromeg: The process is described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU [10:07] minghua: thx [10:08] After reading it, I am not sure this qualify an SRU, though. === davromaniak [n=cyril@LAubervilliers-153-52-16-160.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:10] minghua: well it has a high-impact on the BTS :) [10:10] jeromeg: I don't approve SRUs, no point persuading me. :-P [10:10] minghua: ah :) === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp59-167-16-86.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === davro-desktop [n=davro@LAubervilliers-153-52-16-160.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=tuxmania@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil [n=alessand@151.82.6.223] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4d071181.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bigon [i=bigon@imladris.bigon.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === white [n=white@user.skolelinux.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@ubuntu/member/darksun88] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:41] Hi all === Sindwiller [n=sindwill@84-75-101-114.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@212.2.21.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4d071f5d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin [n=Lutin@ubuntu/member/lutin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tsmithe [n=toby@ubuntu/member/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ScottK [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === norsetto [n=norsetto@host252-184-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsgotang@121.97.249.81] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsgotang@121.97.249.81] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Martinp23 [n=martin@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === azeem [n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-43-88.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame_ [n=zakame@69.60.114.100] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apacheLAGger [n=me@M3083P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RainCT [n=RainCT@unaffiliated/rainct] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lukea [n=luke@ppp121-45-163-217.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mpech [n=kk@ip.110.219.home.M1.4.lan.mits.lv] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsgotang@121.97.249.81] has joined #ubuntu-motu === matysecek [n=matysek@39.Red-83-40-70.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmm [n=bram@cc400801-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:43] Hi everybody. I'm a newbie as for drupal development and I was wondering the following: I want to add a rating like system to some of the book pages but not all. How should I go about doing this: a new content type, a block or filter?? [02:44] bmm: totally offtopic [02:46] bmm: you should probably ask the drupal people [02:52] Oh, my bad: wrong channel :-D [02:52] sorry! === bmm still getting used to xchat and making a fool of himself === LucidFox [n=LucidFox@wikia/Sikon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] If I'm updating a package that has a Maintainer field in debian/control, what should I set XSBC-O-M to? [03:00] myself or that maintainer? [03:02] That Maintainer [03:04] ok === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@130.Red-83-44-242.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === matysek [n=matysek@39.Red-83-40-70.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RainCT [n=RainCT@unaffiliated/rainct] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=tuxmania@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:40] c [03:40] ugh === apachelogger [n=me@M3083P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-036-217.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:17] zul_: why didn't you follow standard procedures to sync a package from Debian and did a direct upload? (btw: pigment got already synced and is currently in NEW) === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-31-228.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed [n=daniel@i5387D5EE.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stratus [n=stratus@c91113c5.rjo.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco_ [n=jsgotang@121.97.246.188] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:36] imbrandon: === alex-weej_ [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:36] what was that link you gave gazzak or something [04:36] the simpsons thing [04:37] create your own simpsons character? heh === _wattazoum_ [n=wattazou@ant06-1-82-242-110-34.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vbabiy [n=vbabiy@pool-71-164-85-238.albyny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:39] <_wattazoum_> Hello there [04:41] sacater, you're thinking of the simpsonizeme.com link he blogged about? [04:41] it kills my firefox every time :( === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-206-191-39-54.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ceros [n=user@c-76-111-84-156.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RainCT [n=RainCT@unaffiliated/rainct] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=tuxmania@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mpech [n=kk@ip.110.219.home.M1.4.lan.mits.lv] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:32] geser: Why did you change the tags on Bug 127548 [05:32] Launchpad bug 127548 in libdatetime-locale-perl "New version 0.34 of DateTime::Locale is available." [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127548 [05:35] isn't needs-packaging only for new software? [05:36] and shouldn't new versions get "upgrade" as tag? === Steck [n=Steck@c-24-12-49-58.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:37] Since Debian doesn't have this version, someone would need to package it, right? [05:37] Is the upgrade tag documented anywhere? [05:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags === ScottK looks [05:39] geser: OK. Fair enough. Upgrade is the right tag. Thanks. === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:41] the proper procedure for a Main bug is to subscribe to ubuntu-main-sponsors and do the rest the same, right? [05:41] the rest being set to Confirm and Assign to nobody after a patch has been posted (but not reviewed) [05:41] yes === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:42] k [05:42] maybe this should be in the docs somewhere (even though this is MOTU)? === sacater [n=sacater@ubuntu/member/colchester-lug.sacater] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:44] in order to make a new version of a package, the things to do are the same as if it was a new package, right (REVU stuff, etc)? [05:45] jwendell: Yes, but new versions only need one MOTU advocating, not two. [05:46] ScottK, thanks [05:46] It's helpful to mention in a comment on REVU that it's an update to an existing package. [05:48] right === Steck [n=Steck@c-24-12-49-58.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vbabiy [n=vbabiy@pool-71-164-85-238.albyny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:16] When packaging a Java project that depends on external JAR libraries, can these libraries be distributed in JAR form in the upstream tarball? [06:16] What do I need to ask upstream? To remove the JARs, or to replace them with source, or nothing? === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.142.50.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:17] man-di: LucidFox has a question up your alley^^^ === jekil [n=alessand@151.82.3.236] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:25] Apparently, the amount of jackassery of upstream maintainers is a gaussian function of the project's obscurity. [06:26] That is, very obscure and very mainstream projects are the most likely to make the suggested changes, while those in the middle will have a knee-jerk reaction. === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-102-180.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pici [n=pcmacman@unaffiliated/pici] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:39] LucidFox: build the 3rd party jars from source as extra packages [06:39] LucidFox: other packages might need them too === mpech [n=kk@ip.110.219.home.M1.4.lan.mits.lv] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:39] and build your package with the packaged versions of these jars [06:40] LucidFox: I know this is a lot of work but the only solution that helps all on the long run [06:40] man-di> thanks [06:40] LucidFox: packaging java software is not easy as most upstreams miss the glue on how to release software [06:40] can these jars remain in the tarball, or should I get upstream to remove them? [06:40] LucidFox: we normally remove them [06:40] ok [06:41] and repackage orig.tar.gz [06:41] and write this into debian/README.Debian-source [06:41] well, it's better if upstream removes them, isn't it? [06:42] LucidFox: sure === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:42] LucidFox: but that defeats their goal for the need to download one ZIP and all works [06:43] LucidFox: Java releases normally contain all dependencies === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:46] where do jar libraries go? /usr/lib? === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:48] LucidFox: /usr/share/java === jonh_wendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:49] LucidFox: please read the Debian Java Policy [06:49] LucidFox: its outdated and some things are not correct anymore, but its mostly correct [06:54] man-di: Mostly correct documentation is the most dangerous kind. [06:55] ScottK: I know... [06:55] we are currently figuring out what to do [06:55] with other distros [06:55] to get a Linux Java Platform that behaves the same on all major Linux distros [07:00] Will I need to file a separate needs-packaging LP bug for every dependency? === Subhuman [n=jack@host86-143-235-27.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:05] LucidFox: yes, as all are separate packages === giskard [n=giskard@62-101-126-218.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Martinp23 [n=martin@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:08] Does the Ubuntu MOTU process documenation require Needs Packaging bugs now? They used to be optional. === bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:14] man-di> Hmm. One of these libraries hasn't had new releases since 2000. [07:20] ScottK: i didn't think so. i personally picked up a couple of needs packaging bugs just to broaden my education === ScottK doesn't look at them for reviewing, but I know others do. I'm just not sure if they're required. === ScottK isn't really big on folling standardized work flows - just does what works for him. [07:21] LucidFox: if you need it, package it [07:21] LucidFox: either package it or dont package the software you want to package === apachelogger [n=me@M3083P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yamal [n=yamal@Room641A.no-such-agency.net.ru] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:24] all right === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crevette [n=crevette@man06-2-88-167-44-76.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:33] ajmitch, around? === Pricey [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:34] raphink, around? [07:35] i uploaded a new package (with dput), but it didn't appear on revu page [07:43] !best [07:43] Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors. === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-036-217.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:28] If I make a change to debian/init in a package, this is not represented in a debdiff, is it? Do I miss an option to debuild? [08:29] I mean debian/init.d [08:32] It should be. [08:35] Oh.. I think I've messed things up.. using "debuild -S" before "dch -i" already. [08:35] That'll do it. [08:39] Does Debian use a tmpfs for /var/run? === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-056-020.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil [n=alessand@151.82.6.51] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phasenoise [n=rjacobs@5351559E.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Acksys [n=acksys@cpe-071-070-084-000.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:55] blueyed: Not normally. === Acksys [n=acksys@cpe-071-070-084-000.sc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === phasenoise [n=rjacobs@5351559E.cable.casema.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp59-167-16-86.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === matysek [n=matysek@39.Red-83-40-70.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nightrose [n=lydia@amarok/rokymotion/nightrose] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:46] A === nuut [n=oc@194.88.209.11] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:56] someone may re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring? [09:57] can somebody tell me on what wiki page backports are explained (basically how to request them)? [09:58] have someone from REVU admins? [09:58] ah, nevermind. didn't see there's a search box lol === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _16aR_ [n=dolanor@tui75-2-82-66-244-103.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === matid [n=matid@195.116.35.6] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:20] can anyone please check if bug #127612 is ok? [10:20] Launchpad bug 127612 in feisty-backports "Please backport translate-toolkit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127612 === Pricey [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vbabiy [n=vbabiy@pool-71-164-85-238.albyny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@3-183.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:53] RainCT: Looking [10:54] RainCT: All it needs is someone to say they've installed the backported package and it works. === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:10] RainCT: http://sharkattack.media.mit.edu:8080/feisty-debs/translate-toolkit/ [11:13] Kmos: Should I test this, or someone else? [11:13] yeah [11:13] and add comment [11:13] see if it works fine in feisty === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil [n=alessand@151.82.8.172] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RainCT is installing it === phlaegel_ [n=phlaegel@S01060016b619a773.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmm [n=bram@cc400801-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:28] Is it a bad thing to redistribute .pc files in a non-dev package? [11:28] Kmos: works fine, writting a comment now :) [11:29] :) === [GruncH] [n=gruncho@190-76-16-77.dyn.movilnet.com.ve] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:31] (posted) === micahcowan [n=micah@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === porthose [n=charliej@72.24.252.113] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:35] blueWorking: do you have a separate -dev package? [11:35] Yes [11:36] then it's better to ship them in the -dev package [11:36] But the other applications that use this particular package needs to locate this package [11:36] why all my uploaded packages to REVU goto 'rejected' directory [11:36] And pkg-config seems to be a nice clean way of doing this [11:36] blueWorking: what kind of package is this? [11:36] geser, Think webserver [11:36] And it needs to know the webroot [11:36] It's called Simias [11:37] and it uses pkgconfig files for that? [11:37] Well, it has those [11:37] I need a way to locate the webroot in packages that uses Simias [11:37] Which they include a pc-file to [11:38] does it have a config file? [11:38] so when you want to have the webroot somewhere else you modify the .pc file? [11:38] Well, sort of. [11:39] The PC file now doesn't do much as long as no packages are dependant. [11:39] blueWorking: I would call this "Very broken software" [11:40] man-di, Oh, you have no idea. It wanted to install the webroot in /usr/libexec first [11:40] blueWorking: you better teach upstream before you package it [11:40] man-di, I talk with upstream on a daily basis [11:41] blueWorking: otherwise it looks like rewriting the software from scratch is more simple ;-) [11:41] I've told them and they sortof listen [11:41] man-di, Well, not really. It's pretty fine so far, but this is the full information: [11:41] I have this startscript for iFolder, an application using Simias. [11:42] It's a mono-application, and therefor uses MONO_PATH to locate it's assembiles. The simias assemblies are in /usr/lib/cli/simias-X.Y [11:42] The only clean way I can get those assemblies is to ask pkg-config atm [11:43] siretart: Please re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring [11:45] blueWorking: I dont know anything about mono, but I would consider usage of pkg-config for this as severely broken [11:48] man-di, I'll look into GAC a bit more, I'm pretty sure it can solve this. Thanks anyway [11:48] RainCT: Acked to ubuntu-archive. Now we wait for them to upload the backport. [11:48] ScottK, Kmos: ok, thanks [11:49] man-di, FYI: [11:49] All GAC library packages should have a pkg-config .pc file located in /usr/lib/pkgconfig. The filename must be named: package-X.Y.pc including the versioning. The version must reflect the same X.Y version as the package name. There should also be a symlink without the version to the latest version, as follows: from package.pc to package-X.Y.pc [11:49] So I need to package the pc file apparentlf [11:51] blueWorking: what is GAC? [11:51] Global Assembly Cache [11:53] blueWorking: you've looked at the licensing of simias? [11:54] ajmitch, GPL [11:54] last I recall it's wasn't completely [11:54] It is nowadays [11:55] I even confirmed by email [11:55] * THIS WORK IS AN UNPUBLISHED WORK AND CONTAINS CONFIDENTIAL, [11:55] * PROPRIETARY AND TRADE SECRET INFORMATION OF NOVELL, INC. ACCESS TO [11:55] * THIS WORK IS RESTRICTED TO (I) NOVELL, INC. EMPLOYEES [11:55] etc... [11:55] Version? [11:55] so unless you're looking at a newer version [11:56] simias-1.2.5347.1 [11:56] I'm using 1.5 [11:56] perhaps they have finally cleared things up, but please check it throughout the source === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-72-225.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:59] ajmitch, I did that at 1.4, no problems. Haven't done it in 1.5 I have to admit === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu