[01:34] <khatuido> someone success antialiasing amsn ?
[01:34] <khatuido> on amd64
[01:42] <System79> khatuido
[01:42] <System79> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=297676
[01:42] <khatuido> yes?
[01:43] <System79> that what your looking for?
[01:43] <khatuido> it looks
[01:43] <khatuido> i will try
[01:43] <khatuido> :)
[01:43] <System79> ok :-)
[01:48] <Commander-Crowe> ello gerro
[01:50] <gerro> sup crowe
[01:50] <gerro> how things going?
[01:53] <khatuido> System79: it doesn't work :(
[01:53] <System79> aw
[01:53] <System79> =[
[01:55] <khatuido> but since a while i got problem with my bcm43xx-fwcutter
[01:55] <khatuido> i don't what is this things
[01:56] <khatuido> but when i fix my wifi i try a lot of tutorial
[01:56] <khatuido> and i break it i guess
[01:56] <gerro> heh.. yeah I had that happen too
[01:56] <khatuido> all the time i get error with this thing
[01:56] <khatuido> is it important?
[01:56] <gerro> I got mine working with ndiswrapper before and some broadcom .inf and .sys
[01:57] <gerro> but it might have been that bcm43xx-fwcutter that did the trick
[01:57] <gerro> however I'm now using x86 operating system and not amd64
[01:57] <gerro> so I have no clue how to get wireless up
[01:57] <khatuido> lol
[01:57] <khatuido> :)
[01:57] <khatuido> me i success on amd64
[01:58] <gerro> yeah
[01:58] <System79> amd64 is ftw
[01:58] <System79> <3
[01:58] <khatuido> ftw?
[01:58] <System79> for the win
[01:58] <System79> =[] 
[01:58] <gerro> I installed this one package and my entire system died on amd64
[01:58] <gerro> so I went x86
[01:58] <gerro> seems soooo much easier on x86 don't notice any performance loss
[01:58] <khatuido> i think x86 look better
[01:59] <khatuido> cos on amd64 do simple things become hard
[01:59] <System79> naw
[01:59] <System79> 64 bit is just more stable for servers
[01:59] <System79> =/
[01:59] <gerro> nope its not
[01:59] <gerro> only for database servers
[02:00] <khatuido> i guess
[02:00] <khatuido> i don't choose good one
[02:00] <khatuido> but now for change it's hard
[02:00] <gerro> using sql and all that
[02:00] <System79> 32 bit has 4.6 milliion memory adresses/slots, 64 bit has double but has been altered
[02:00] <System79> 64 bit is way more stable when it comes to cache leaks etc
[02:01] <gerro> but does the same hold up with 64 bit dual cores?
[02:01] <khatuido> what the difference between the ubuntu xubuntu and kubuntu?
[02:01] <gerro> or any number of multiple cpus
[02:01] <gerro> khatuido: ubuntu-gnome xubuntu-xfce kubuntu-kde
[02:02] <gerro> there also fluxbuntu-fluxbox
[02:02] <gerro> and there are other graphical desktop systems like icewm and blackbox, as well as graphically enhancing add ons such as compiz-fusion
[02:03] <khatuido> i think i will take 32bits next time i change my linux
[02:03] <gerro> xfce is pretty awesome
[02:05] <khatuido> humm
[02:05] <gerro> my cdrom keeps farting, I think there mounting issue
[02:05] <khatuido> i will format my other partition and try another one :)
[02:06] <khatuido> but not now
[02:17] <System79> >..>
[02:17] <System79> Jester45 Ha i highlighted you =p
[02:21] <gerro> System79: ooh highlight me!
[02:21] <gerro> I like blue
[02:21] <System79> gerro: OOO SCARY
[02:21] <gerro> rawr
[02:24] <System79> whats the funniest way to mess up a windows computer :/
[02:24] <gerro> System79: make every icon do shutdown and format system32 dlls
[02:25] <gerro> almost as fun as abusing rm as root in /proc
[04:35] <ytutyutyu> hello i need help
[04:36] <ytutyutyu> i tried to install xubuntu using loop installer wubi
[04:36] <ytutyutyu> but i have already downloaded the alternate install cd
[04:37] <ytutyutyu> i want wubi to use it but how
[04:37] <ytutyutyu> ?????
 hello i need help
 i tried to install xubuntu using loop installer wubi
 but i have already downloaded the alternate install cd
 i want wubi to use it but how
 ?????
[04:40] <cellofellow> ytutyutyu: sorry, what's wubi?
[04:40] <ytutyutyu> loop installer
[04:41] <cellofellow> something I've never heard of nor tried.
[04:41] <ytutyutyu> install on premounted ntfs
[04:41] <cellofellow> huh
[04:41] <cellofellow> weird.
[04:41] <cellofellow> Why not just partition and make an ext3 filesystem?
[04:41] <ytutyutyu> http://wubi-installer.org/
[04:42] <ytutyutyu> i will tell ya i have an old pc
[04:42] <ytutyutyu> windows is extremly slow
[04:42] <cellofellow> so, linux will be some Red Bull to it.
[04:42] <ytutyutyu> i'm now working with php for designing my new site
[04:43] <ytutyutyu> i have a problem now
[04:43] <cellofellow> and you want to run LAMP?
[04:43] <ytutyutyu> live cd don't booot
[04:43] <zials> so... wubi is like... vmware?
[04:44] <ytutyutyu> idon't know why live cd can't boot but i have 128mb ram
[04:44] <cellofellow> Does it keep windows running when Ubuntu is running?
[04:44] <cellofellow> ytutyutyu: what video card do you have? Often they are culprits.
[04:44] <ytutyutyu> no but it makes ubuntu installation as one file
[04:44] <ytutyutyu> old card sis315
[04:45] <ytutyutyu> on an ntfs partition
[04:45] <zials> so, you have ubuntu on top of your windows? thats only gonna slow windows down more
[04:46] <cellofellow> actually, when you run the Wubi program, windows shuts down and Wubuntu starts.
[04:46] <ytutyutyu> Zialis listen ubuntu boot and run clean from the start but the idea here is not to repartition the hard drive
[04:46] <ytutyutyu> ok can i install ubuntu from iso image
[04:47] <cellofellow> Using Alt, yes, most likely.
[04:47] <ytutyutyu> what's Alt
[04:47] <cellofellow> You may have some trouble with X if the video card makes the LiveCD balk, but all sounds fixable.
[04:47] <cellofellow> Alt is a command-line install. Quicker and simpler, with more power. Still have to repartition hard drive.
[04:48] <ytutyutyu> ok no problem could you tell me how or send me documentation
[04:48] <cellofellow> I think you should stick with Wubi. You don't want to partition, you are only experimenting with LAMP, and you can't do a VM cause it's too slow.
[04:48] <cellofellow> um, I don't know exactly where the Alt docs are.
[04:48] <cellofellow> I never read them, I find it easy to use.
[04:48] <cellofellow> Used it lots.
[04:48] <ytutyutyu> ok tell me how
[04:49] <cellofellow> download and burn
[04:49] <cellofellow> wait, is your BIOS set up for CD booting?
[04:49] <cellofellow> That may be what's killing the Desktop CD.
[04:50] <ytutyutyu> yes it's already booting but after the mouse appears i waited for 30 min and no change
[04:50] <cellofellow> Ubuntu or Xubuntu?
[04:50] <ytutyutyu> Xubuntu
[04:51] <cellofellow> Sounds like GNOME is running like a bear if it's Ubuntu.
[04:51] <cellofellow> Huh
[04:51] <cellofellow> Alt will work then.
[04:51] <cellofellow> Download, burn, and install.
[04:51] <ytutyutyu> ok here is the situation
[04:51] <cellofellow> Defrag and backup before installing.
[04:51] <ytutyutyu> 1- old pc
[04:51] <cellofellow> How old?
[04:51] <ytutyutyu> 2- 800 mhz processor
[04:52] <ytutyutyu> 3- 128 mb ram
[04:52] <cellofellow> no three times
[04:52] <cellofellow> RAM helps loads.
[04:52] <ytutyutyu> ok i don't have a writer right now
[04:52] <zials> x.x
[04:52] <ytutyutyu> i hve alt iso image
[04:52] <cellofellow> oh, gee
[04:52] <ytutyutyu> :) can i install or not
[04:53] <cellofellow> does Wubi actually use the CD image to do the installation?
[04:53] <echosystm> guys
[04:53] <zials> o.o
[04:53] <ytutyutyu> yes it begin's downloading
[04:53] <echosystm> anyone here able to help me with a repository key
[04:53] <echosystm> its a .gpg file
[04:53] <echosystm> i dont know what to do with it
[04:53] <ytutyutyu> i have the image already why to wait 2 hours
[04:53] <cellofellow> echosystm: sudo apt-key add thefile.gpg
[04:54] <echosystm> is that it?
[04:54] <cellofellow> echosystm: sure
[04:54] <echosystm> google tells me to do all these extra commands
[04:54] <cellofellow> echosystm: or there is a section in the Software Sources graphical tool.
 are you there
[04:54] <cellofellow> ytutyutyu: yes
[04:54] <echosystm> thank you cellofellow
[04:55] <ytutyutyu> have you a solution for me :) or ...!!!
[04:55] <cellofellow> ytutyutyu: um, let me look at the Wubi docs.
[04:55] <cellofellow> and keep your cool
[04:55] <ytutyutyu> ok really thank you for helping
[04:55] <cellofellow> :)
[04:56] <cellofellow> (no need to kissup either.)
[04:56] <echosystm> cellofellow, one more question
[04:56] <echosystm> http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/ubuntu/ubuntu/dists/feisty/
[04:56] <cellofellow> shoot away
[04:56] <echosystm> this is my ubuntu mirror, for my isp
[04:56] <echosystm> i am loading their repo into ubuntu, because my internet is capped to 64k lol
[04:57] <echosystm> is release.gpg the only file i have to load?
[04:57] <cellofellow> your ISP mirrors Ubuntu? cool.
[04:57] <echosystm> what it shows there
[04:57] <cellofellow> um, no that's not the file you want.
[04:57] <echosystm> oh
[04:57] <echosystm> what is it? :P
[04:57] <cellofellow> that's for authenticating against the file you actually want.
[04:57] <echosystm> ive updated my sources.list already
[04:58] <echosystm> oh right
[04:58] <echosystm> so, i only need to update sources.list and thats it?
[04:58] <cellofellow> if it's just a mirror, then the key you already have should work.
[04:58] <echosystm> cool
[04:58] <echosystm> :)
[04:58] <echosystm> i dont think it is an exact mirror though
[04:58] <cellofellow> should work. If you get authentication warnings you'll have to google more.
[04:58] <echosystm> some packages are out of date apparently
[04:59] <echosystm> here is a thread saying how to use them
[04:59] <echosystm> http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/763778.html
[04:59] <echosystm> they mentioned the release.gpg so i assumed i had to load it?
[04:59] <cellofellow> remove that release.gpg file you added, use the graphical tool, I don't know the command to remove on the CLI
[04:59] <echosystm> oh, i didnt add it yet
[04:59] <echosystm> its ok
[04:59] <echosystm> :D
[04:59] <cellofellow> release.gpg gets downloaded when you use apt-get update
[05:00] <echosystm> okie
[05:00] <zials> ytutyutyu - can you boot from a USB drive?
[05:00] <echosystm> cool
[05:00] <echosystm> thanks mate
  did you read it
[05:00] <cellofellow> ytutyutyu: what is the EXACT thing you want to do?
[05:00] <ytutyutyu> i'm sorry for being annoying right now
[05:00] <cellofellow> it's ok, I think we're just bombarding you with jargon.
[05:01] <ytutyutyu> i want to install ubuntu from iso image or make wubi use my already downloaded iso
[05:01] <ytutyutyu> nomore
[05:01] <cellofellow> (I need a detailed spec. what you want, THEN the complications.)
[05:01] <cellofellow> ok
[05:01] <cellofellow> for...?
[05:01] <cellofellow> what purpose?
[05:01] <ytutyutyu> lamp on old pc and no writer available right now is that ok
[05:02] <cellofellow> no CD-R?
[05:02] <ytutyutyu> yes
[05:02] <cellofellow> I am in that boat too and I hate it. I use ShipIt CD's, or when desparate my dads burner.
[05:03] <cellofellow> But, the best thing I think would be to download the Ubuntu Server ISO (smallest in the bunch) and burn it and install.
[05:03] <zials> ytutyutyu - I checked the FAQ for wubi, seems like it should work
[05:04] <ytutyutyu> ok thank you for helping me :)
[05:04] <zials> the requirements are a bit more than what you have (256mb Ram, 1 ghz)
[05:04] <cellofellow> :(
[05:04] <zials> try following it o.o
[05:04] <cellofellow> For Ubuntu, for Ubuntu Server, that's run on 300Mhz and 64M ram.
[05:05] <cellofellow> How can I use a manually downloaded ISO?
[05:05] <cellofellow> You need to download the ALTERNATE ISO of the appropriate version (7.04 final version at the moment). Place the ISO in the same folder where you have Wubi-7.04-XYZ.exe. Then run Wubi.
[05:05] <cellofellow> ytutyutyu: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[05:05] <cellofellow> try that
[05:05] <cellofellow> with the Server ISO.
[05:05] <ytutyutyu> ok i'm going to try that
[05:05] <cellofellow> Alternate with no desktop and LAMP included.
[05:06] <ytutyutyu> i need another help
[05:06] <cellofellow> yes?
[05:07] <ytutyutyu> now i'm good at setting up Microsoft ISA server
[05:07] <ytutyutyu> is there linux replacement
[05:07] <cellofellow> Replacement?
[05:07] <cellofellow> Apache is the standard *nix (particularly Linux) webserver.
[05:08] <ytutyutyu> i mean linux os that works the same
[05:08] <cellofellow> Is it the graphical wizards that you want?
[05:08] <cellofellow> Apache, I think, configures best just editing apache2.conf.
[05:08] <cellofellow> ISA is a webserver, right?
[05:08] <ytutyutyu> you didn't get the point isa is a webcaching and firewall and sometimes bandwidth controller for networks
[05:09] <ytutyutyu> Internet Security and Acceleration Server
[05:09] <cellofellow> Squid proxy I think.
[05:09] <ytutyutyu> ISA
[05:09] <cellofellow> Why using your windows box as a Proxy anyway?
[05:09] <cellofellow> !squid
[05:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about squid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:09] <cellofellow> !info squid
[05:09] <ubotu> squid: Internet Object Cache (WWW proxy cache). In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.5-4ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 625 kB, installed size 1600 kB
[05:10] <ytutyutyu> !info squid
[05:10] <cellofellow> it will show same thing
[05:10] <cellofellow> !google
[05:10] <ubotu> Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
[05:11] <ytutyutyu> ok thanks for that i will see squid
[05:11] <cellofellow> there are other proxies, but I don't know their names.
[05:11] <cellofellow> brb
[05:11] <ytutyutyu> tyt
[05:29] <cellofellow> ytutyutyu: still there?
[05:37] <echosystm> is there any benefit in running 6.10 over 7.04?
[05:37] <echosystm> is it any more stable?
[05:39] <R[a] ndom> 6.10 was less stable for me
[05:39] <R[a] ndom> I really didn't like edgy
[05:43] <echosystm> the ubuntu dvd releases
[05:43] <echosystm> does anyone know if theyre a normal install or an alt install?
[05:46] <cellofellow> dang
[05:46] <cellofellow> missed him
[05:46] <cellofellow> (The DVD is Live and Alt together, plus lots of extra packages.)
[06:00] <Jester45> anyone have a deb for firefox 3?
[06:01] <tat_> hello, i'm trying to set up my printer, in the xubuntu online Documentation it tells to open :System  Administration  Printing, but i do not have that system menu i gut just Configuration -> Printer under Applications menu, is there in xubuntu usually a System menu like in ubuntu panel ?
[06:01] <tat_> Jester45 : do you mean Bob Echo ?
[06:01] <tat_> Jester45 : do you mean Bon Echo ?
[06:02] <Jester45> tat_, yes xubuntu has a system menu is under the normal menu last entry
[06:02] <cellofellow> tat_: try in the run dialog (alt+F2) gksu system-config-printer`
[06:03] <tat_> aha so system-config-printer is the utility for printing setup, but i can't find any way to scan for cups server on my local network
[06:04] <cellofellow> um, you should just know the servers address if it supports IPP. I bet nmap can test that for you though.
[06:04] <tat_> i have a remote printer set up which i wan't to use on a other machine, i know how to do it by configuring /etc/cups/... but i wanted to use the graphic apps
[06:05] <Jester45> i would say if you know how manually might be best
[06:05] <tat_> cellofellow : i quote the xubuntu Documentation: You can scan for these printers and have them configure automatically. To do this, click Global Settings and then Detect LAN Printers.
[06:05] <cellofellow> um
[06:06] <tat_> so it should work if it is documented, or is the documentation talking about features that havn't been implemeted ?
[06:06] <cellofellow> tat_: if the remote server is set up, then all you have to do is point to ipp://serveraddress:631/printers/printername
[06:06] <Jester45> tat_, what version is the docs in and what are you running
[06:06] <cellofellow> I don't see Global Settings.
[06:07] <cellofellow> This particular app is actually made by the RedHat/Fedora team.
[06:07] <tat_> Jester45 ; i'm running latest stable FEISTY
[06:07] <cellofellow> k
[06:07] <tat_> cellofellow : i saw that also, was windering why
[06:08] <tat_> the Documentation is uder https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/printing/C/printing.html#network
[06:08] <cellofellow> cause the Gnome printing utility is too slow, and they didn't want to reinvent the wheel.
[06:08] <Jester45> hummm
[06:09] <tat_> i just want to see that it works automatically, cause if it is documented it should, otherwise i should post a bug on that documentation
[06:10] <cellofellow> This is the GNOME printing stuff, this particular Docs. Not Xubuntu, Ubuntu.
[06:10] <cellofellow> And it's detecting Samba printers I bet. IPP/HTTP printing doesn't advertise like Samba/Windows Networking.
[06:10] <cellofellow> tat_: the server is CUPS, right?
[06:10] <tat_> i quote again from teh Xubuntu side : See the official documentation developed and maintained by the Xubuntu Documentation Project at help.ubuntu.com
[06:11] <Jester45> because it *might* try to be a bit more secure than windows
[06:11] <cellofellow> Yes, but this page wreaks of Ubuntu, not Xubuntu.
[06:12] <tat_> so than there is a mistake to link that page and call it fficial documentation
[06:12] <tat_>           developed and maintained by the Xubuntu
[06:12] <Commander-Crowe> how do i turn telnetd on?
[06:12] <cellofellow> the help.ubuntu.com is for the whole *ubuntu system.
[06:12] <tat_> Commander-Crowe /etc/inittab
[06:12] <Jester45> bftd have you tried /etc/init.d/telnetd
[06:12] <cellofellow> Commander-Crowe: I'd check the runlevels.
[06:13] <Commander-Crowe> ?
[06:13] <Jester45> tat_, please tell me where it says Xubuntu doc? is it was then it would be blue nor brown
[06:13] <Jester45> not*
[06:13] <tat_> Commander-Crowe : depends on what version do you installed ?
[06:13] <Commander-Crowe> ubuntu-server, 7.04
[06:14] <cellofellow> tat_: is the print server CUPS or Windows?
[06:14] <tat_> Jester45 : http://www.xubuntu.org/help the Paragraph with the Titke Online documentation !
[06:14] <cellofellow> tat_: I'll just walk you through it.
[06:14] <tat_> cellofellow : it is ubuntu
[06:14] <cellofellow> tat_: can you get shell (ssh or telnet or rsh) access?
[06:15] <tat_> cellofellow : that is not nesecsary i can set it up on ore the other way, my point is that the "official xubuntu documentation" documents a feature that is not there !!
[06:16] <cellofellow> Xubuntu Documentation is a bit sparse, especially when using the (already sparse) GUI tools. You read a page about Ubuntu. If you want to fix it, then please do so.
[06:16] <cellofellow> tat_: you need to set the access permissions on the cups server.
[06:16] <cellofellow> Then you just connect to it with the cups client.
[06:17] <cellofellow> I have that working right now.
[06:18] <Jester45> tat_, thats general help there has not been a fork in the docs for xubuntu because we dont have the people/time to do it all. so its best to just link to the general help because it will help more people than just saying " use google or irc ". you can request that a note for xubuntu to be added or you could rewrite all the docs into a xubuntu version
[06:18] <tat_> cellofellow : i rather would like to alter the content of http://www.xubuntu.org/help to don't confuse more users about the online documentation, if this is the ubuntu online documentation, there is probably a whole other bunch of stuff that does not work with xubuntu !!
[06:19] <cellofellow> tat_: almost anything GUI for Ubuntu will not work for X/Kubuntu.
[06:19] <cellofellow> tat_: and unless it says otherwise, assume it is Ubuntu, not X/K.
[06:20] <tat_> Jester45 : but than you should at leas write, this documentation is from the ubuntu documentation project and my partly not compatible with xubuntu" and not call it "fficial documentation developed and maintained by the Xubuntu Documentation Project"
[06:20] <tat_> this is missleading !!
[06:20] <cellofellow> tat_: ok, in the /etc/cups/cupsd.conf file on the server, set so that the section <Location /> says "Order Allow,Deny\nAllow From All"
[06:21] <cellofellow> tat_: Jester45 is not in charge of the official Xubuntu website.
[06:21] <Jester45> so.... lots of poeple thing we only use xubuntu because our machines are old and cant chanel ubuntu. i myself like the look and feel of it
[06:21] <cellofellow> tat_: getting that change made to the server?
[06:22] <cellofellow> then restart cups
[06:22] <Jester45> think* handle*
[06:22] <Jester45> if i was there would be lots more typo s
[06:22] <tat_> ok i note that, but i think i should just file a bugreport, anyway thanks for your help/time guyes, and keep up with that ;)
[06:22] <cellofellow> there goes another one
[06:22] <cellofellow> tat_: you still can't print though.
[06:24] <tat_> cellofellow : the server is allready configured for network share, i need just to poiunt my client to the write address, than it will work, thanks for the step by step , i hope thsi loge get posted somewhere so someone else can find this help too.
[06:25] <tat_> oh mamamia lots of typos!!
[06:26] <Jester45> can you turn off the beeps from the computer whwn you press backspace to much on a tty
[06:27] <Jester45> it will ubotu logs and so do i
[06:27] <Jester45> but nobody that isnt good at computers will look
[06:27] <Commander-Crowe> !telnetd
[06:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about telnetd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:30] <tat_> Jester45 : man readline and search for bell-style
[06:30] <tat_> Commander-Crowe : what package did you install ?
[06:30] <Commander-Crowe> telnetd
[06:30] <Commander-Crowe> tat_ ^^^
[06:33] <tat_> Commander-Crowe : this whan uses inet, you have to configure /etc/inettab read man inittab
[06:33] <Commander-Crowe> no manual entry found
[06:34] <Commander-Crowe> there isn't even a inittab
[06:34] <tat_> Commander-Crowe : at least this is the usual way but i guess ubuntu guyes have mest up that thing a bit and moved files around
[06:34] <Jester45> Commander-Crowe, is there a /etc/init.d/telnet or telnetd
[06:35] <Commander-Crowe> Jester45 no
[06:35] <Jester45> tel<tab> anything?
[06:37] <tat_> Commander-Crowe : install xinetd , it is much easyer to use than openbsd-inetd
[06:42] <tat_> Commander-Crowe : the point is that thsi telnetd you have installed is not a deamon, it is just asimple programm that gets called from the inetd, that inetd is started by (don't confuse) inetd, and listens on specified ports for incomming connections , for every port than it calls a secific command with the configured options, for inetd it is port 23 ....
[06:42] <Commander-Crowe> tat_ telinit
[06:42] <tat_> o damm, i confused change the first two inetd to initd !!!
[06:43] <tat_> Commander-Crowe ; did you install xinetd ?
[06:44] <Commander-Crowe> tat_ no
[06:44] <cellofellow> c'mon, installing a telnet daemon can't be that hard.
[06:44] <cellofellow> (ssh is better anyway.)
[06:45] <tat_> Commander-Crowe : ok than read man inetd.conf and figure it out !
[06:45] <Commander-Crowe> how do i change the port it uses? and how do i get it so that i can use both telnet and ssh
[06:45] <tat_> Commander-Crowe : that is where you need to go
[06:45] <tat_> Commander-Crowe : belive me
[06:46] <Commander-Crowe> there is no man entry for inet.d
[06:46] <Commander-Crowe> oh
[06:46] <tat_> Commander-Crowe : ok than read man inetd.conf and figure it out !
[06:46] <cellofellow> Commander-Crowe: using both ssh and telnet is easy enough
[06:47] <tat_> Commander-Crowe : the package you have to fight with is called openbsd-inetd, it is a dependency by telnetd
[06:48] <cellofellow> can't there just be a daemon-based telnet server? I hate inetd.
[07:14] <echosystm> guys, ive just done an alt install
[07:14] <echosystm> does gdm slow your compouter down at all?
[07:15] <cellofellow> echosystm: not really
[07:15] <cellofellow> if you want to just use startx, go ahead.
[07:16] <cellofellow> you'll sort of rule out being able to have multiple logins from one console.
[09:29] <lokki> what's up guys ?
[09:30] <lokki> sleeping?
[09:30] <lokki> drinking Tequila?
[09:30] <lokki> python?
[09:31] <lokki> There is a very distinctive taste difference between the different types of tequila.
[09:32] <lokki> I prefer blanco tequila.
[09:32] <lokki> *wtf* ?
[09:39] <bigyak> Q: I'm booting xubuntu from livecd, what is root login and pass?
[09:42] <bigyak> or the default username/pass?
[09:42] <bigyak> can't figure it out
[09:51] <bigyak> anyone?
[10:14] <Asof> Jester, you alive?
[10:15] <Asof> Anyyybody else?
[11:00] <tuxcrafter> good morning
[12:29] <System79> vistakiller i like that name =p
[12:31] <vistakiller> lol
[12:54] <kahrn> Hi all.
[12:54] <vistakiller> hi
[12:55] <System79> Hi
[12:55] <System79> =o
[05:33] <student1> hello, everyone ... trying to install php5 to practice my coding ... when i try to do an install using apt-get install php5, it tells me it wants to install apache2 as well.  any way to install only php without installing anything to do with a database?  clear as mud?
[05:33] <totalwormage> well, you'll need the apache server to test your php codings :P
[05:34] <totalwormage> i think without it the php5 package is worthless
[05:35] <System79> ^ true
[05:35] <student1> darn, not the answer i wanted to hear.  i am not interested in coding for a browser, so i guess i will have to think about whether php is right for me after all
[05:35] <totalwormage> :] 
[05:35] <System79> php is a web coding language
[05:35] <System79> i dont know why you touch it if you dont want to do anything inside a browser
[05:35] <System79> Go learn perl or something >.>
[05:36] <student1> cleaner than perl with excellent documentation (don't want to start a religious war here or anything)
[05:36] <totalwormage> yeah but for completely different purposes :D
[05:37] <student1> already quite conversant with perl, but can't understand my own code after a year or two (too convoluted)
[05:37] <totalwormage> and student1 i was just telling someone else how great it is to set up a discussion in a chan and walk away yourself :P
[05:37] <totalwormage> mm
[05:38] <student1> ?
[05:38] <System79> khatuido =P
[05:38] <System79> Welcome back :p
[05:39] <khatuido> System79: hey
[05:39] <khatuido> thanks :)
[05:40] <khatuido> i got problem with ur link for install java
[05:40] <khatuido> it doesn't work but flash work
[05:40] <khatuido> :)
[05:41] <System79> installing 1970 packages
[05:41] <System79> hah
[05:41] <System79> =x
[05:42] <khatuido> 1970?
[05:43] <nivekc1> hello im trying to install xubuntu and i get to the install screen and begin to install and tell it to use the whole HDD as there is a new copy of ubuntu on it now it should just get rid of it and start over riht?, anyways during installation it fails at the part where it is making partitions and it said it cold create ext3 file system
[05:43] <System79> nivekc1
[05:43] <System79> does it say anything about a mount error?
[05:44] <nivekc1> no
[05:45] <System79> go to Applications -> Accessoires -> Thunar file manager  and go to settings, then turn off disk management or what its called
[05:45] <nivekc1> on the live session?
[05:45] <System79> Yes
[05:46] <System79> Umm, do this
[05:46] <System79> Applications -> Accesoires -> Thunar filme manager -> Mouse on the Edit tab -> Preferences -> Advanced tab and turn off the checkbox
[05:46] <System79> That should fix your problem
[05:47] <nivekc1> ok thanks
[05:48] <System79> Ill be right back
[07:19] <khatuido> someone success install xvidcam on amd64?
[07:29] <jeff_> hello
[07:30] <jeff_> xubuntu is just ubuntu with xfce instead of gnome, correct?
[07:30] <jeff_> because im using an ubuntu-based distro called linux mint, and i had some questions about xfce if anyone here would be kind enough to help me out
[07:32] <totalwormage> correct
[07:32] <jeff_> well i was trying to customize my bars and it came out kind of crappy :p
[07:33] <jeff_> plus, i cant figure out how to put my own shortcuts onto the bars
[07:33] <totalwormage> you can make launchers in the panel right?
[07:33] <totalwormage> a launcher is the same as a 'shortcut'
[07:34] <jeff_> well i succeeded in making one
[07:34] <jeff_> for world of warcraft, but say i didnt want to have to go thru my whole menu every time just to get to swiftfox
[07:34] <totalwormage> you can eh, right click on the panel
[07:35] <totalwormage> and add a launcher, in there make it go to /usr/bin/swiftfox, pick a nice icon and you can dismiss going through your menu
[07:35] <totalwormage> if that makes sense to you
[07:36] <jeff_> yeah, i didnt know where swiftfox was installed
[07:36] <jeff_> thanks
[07:36] <totalwormage> hehe
[07:36] <jeff_> but i have to do that every time to add a new icon o.O
[07:36] <Redimere> anybody know how to install ATI Drivers?
[07:36] <totalwormage> well, normally it is '/usr/bin/' and the name of the program you try to run :] 
[07:36] <jeff_> have any screenshots of your setup? i think my bars may be gimp looking
[07:37] <totalwormage> i don't run xfce right now but i can access a computer which does
[07:37] <jeff_> swiftfox is actually in my opt folder o.O
[07:37] <totalwormage> it doesn't look nice though but i can make shot :] 
[07:37] <jeff_> i want mine to look the cleanest it can be, and so far my friends xfce is the best looking linux install ive seen
[07:38] <R[a] ndom> xfce looks nice :)
[07:38] <Redimere> >>
[07:38] <Redimere> E looks better
[07:38] <Redimere> <<
[07:38] <R[a] ndom> I never liked it
[07:39] <Redimere> whyfor?
[07:39] <R[a] ndom> dunno. just didn't like the look of it, etc.
[07:39] <Redimere> lol they have different themes
[07:39] <R[a] ndom> I know
[07:40] <R[a] ndom> I'm not allowed to dislike it?
[07:40] <Redimere> No, you are
[07:40] <Redimere> It just seems like E is superior to xfce in some ways
[07:40] <Redimere> I like having a rounded opinion
[07:41] <totalwormage> jeff_: http://worm.shanara.nl/xfce.png
[07:41] <totalwormage> it is a bit silly :P through vnc viewer and all but whatever :P
[07:41] <R[a] ndom> http://www.pithed.org/newscreen.png <- mine fwiw.  but I use the compositor now, so the menu bars are translucent
[07:42] <totalwormage> R[a] ndom: sweet :D
[07:42] <R[a] ndom> as you can see I like kde apps :P
[07:42] <totalwormage> :P
[07:43] <jeff_> random where is your taskbar? lol
[07:44] <R[a] ndom> right screen, top
[07:44] <R[a] ndom> http://www.pithed.org/oink/newscreen2.png <- one with compositor on if anyone cares, basically same thing tho
[07:44] <R[a] ndom> hah. and me badmouthing e17 on irc.
[07:44] <zials> dual screens?
[07:45] <R[a] ndom> yeh
[07:45] <jeff_> use beryl?
[07:45] <R[a] ndom> nope
[07:45] <R[a] ndom> too slow
[07:45] <R[a] ndom> 3200x1200 rapes my 6600 128mb
[07:45] <R[a] ndom> was getting 100% cpu usage at idle
[07:45] <jeff_> i finally got my 8600gt working last night
[07:45] <jeff_> so happy
[07:47] <jeff_> i wish i could get mine looking that good lol
[07:47] <System79> ?
[07:47] <System79> Ooo someone has an awesome desktop? >.>
[07:47] <R[a] ndom> ?
 i wish i could get mine looking that good lol <-- what looking that good?
[07:48] <System79> >.>
[07:50] <jeff_> so when i make these launchers, say for gaim, how would i use the gaim icon
[07:51] <R[a] ndom> I just find it in /use/share/icons
[07:51] <R[a] ndom> or something
[07:51] <R[a] ndom> random@lurker:~$ sudo cd /var/lib/backuppc/
[07:51] <R[a] ndom> sudo: cd: command not found
[07:51] <R[a] ndom> ...
[07:53] <jeff_> no gaim icon in there....
[07:53] <R[a] ndom> pidgin?
[07:53] <R[a] ndom> iunno, I generally find what I want in there. if not I just download a png and use that
[07:53] <jeff_> i wish i could move existing launchers from the menu over to my bar
[07:54] <jeff_> i guess thats only possible in gnome
[08:09] <panfist> hello, i was wondering what were some good/popular media players for xfce...im trying out xfmedia right now but its a little feature-light for me
[08:09] <panfist> i heard good things about amarok but that's for kde?
[08:23] <mrmonday> I'm trying to install xubuntu using the alternate disc on an old PC, but it says it can't mount the CD drive... what can I do about this?
[08:24] <panfist> mrmonday did you try the live CD and get some kind of tty job control error?
[08:24] <mrmonday> the PC isn't fast enough to run the live CD
[08:25] <mrmonday> it only has 64mg RAM
[08:25] <panfist> i think its a kernel bug in the new kernel version thats in feisty
[08:25] <panfist> i have the same problem with my desktop and a lot of people have problems too, if the hardware configuration is not coded properly into the kernel
[08:25] <panfist> sec let me get you a link
[08:26] <mrmonday> is there a way round it then?
[08:26] <panfist> if you look up the bug reports there are lots of reports on it already, and many workarounds which are very hardware specific
[08:27] <panfist> two workarounds that I tried but did not work for me, were to put a blank formatted floppy disk in the floppy drive if you have one, or alternatively disable floppies in the BIOS
[08:27] <panfist> or, select the option that says "install from driver CD" and just leave the alternate CD in the drive
[08:28] <panfist> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=415009
[08:29] <panfist> that thread is concerning the live cd, however i get the error described in the thread when i use the live cd, and the erorr you described when i use the alternate cd. i think theyre the same. in any case, i've been sitting in here and #ubuntu looking for a fix and the best they can tell me is to use edgy
[08:29] <panfist> good luck
[08:30] <totalwormage> (can you just install edgy and afterwards upgrade? or would you then run in the same problems again (i've only been half reading))
[08:38] <Jester45> as long as your dont upgrade your kernel you should be fine. then after you boot into the upgraded version you can try upgrading the kernel as then you will have the old bootable one on the grub menu if the newest doesnt work
[08:39] <panfist> in the thread i linked earlier, people who experienced the problem and installed an older dist, if they upgraded the kernel started experiencing the same problems
[08:39] <panfist> although i can't say whether that would be the case for everyone
[08:40] <Jester45> but once y ou get it installed you can boot into the old if the new doesnt work good
[08:41] <System79> Jester45 =D
[08:42] <panfist> i suppose...im really a linux noob
[08:42] <System79> Jester45: You have any idea on how to fix this? : Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:42] <System79> *cries*
[08:45] <R[a] ndom> turn on glx?
[08:45] <System79> Bah so irritating =.=
[08:45] <System79> How do i close VI lol
[08:45] <System79> >.>
[08:45] <R[a] ndom> :q
[08:45] <Jester45> System79, what are you trying to do when you get the error
[08:46] <System79> Booting nvidia-glx-new
[08:46] <System79> =/
[08:46] <khatuido> hello System79
[08:46] <System79> hey khatuido =p
[08:46] <System79> It cant load the glx module
[08:46] <panfist> so what media players do you like to use in xubuntu, im trying out exaile right now but the window has a large minimum footprint
[08:46] <System79> xmms ftw
[08:46] <System79> :d
[08:46] <khatuido> u can help me i want install an application i download on source forge http://sourceforge.net/projects/xvidcap/
[08:47] <System79> khatuido im having my own problem atm
[08:47] <System79> >.>
[08:47] <khatuido> oh oki
[08:47] <khatuido> :)
[08:47] <panfist> isnt xmms not supported anymore? what about audacious, or beep-media-player, didnt it fork from those and theyre still in development?
[08:47] <System79> my drivers are ded =[
[08:47] <khatuido> :o
[08:47] <System79> sudo apt-get install xmms still works..
[08:47] <Jester45> that doesnt mean its supported
[08:48] <System79> Jester45 how do i close VI lol
[08:48] <System79> >.>
[08:48] <Jester45> :q
[08:48] <khatuido> escape
[08:48] <khatuido> then :wq
[08:48] <Jester45> or ctrl+c if you wanna just kill it
[08:48] <khatuido> lol
[08:48] <khatuido> yes it works too
[08:49] <System79> i hate irssi >.>
[08:50] <khatuido> escape then :q enter
[08:50] <System79> I got already
[08:50] <khatuido> :wq it's for save
[08:50] <khatuido> oki oki
[08:50] <System79> Irssi = irc client in commandline
[08:50] <System79> and i hate it
[08:50] <System79> :p
[08:50] <panfist> whats xmms2 all about
[08:51] <System79> xmms2 is ftw
[08:51] <System79> new version
[08:51] <System79> ;p
[08:51] <System79> Ah, got my x server running now see if the error is gone
[08:51] <panfist> a quote from the audacious faq
[08:51] <Jester45> System79, cat /etc/X11/xorg | grep Load "glx"
[08:51] <System79> that'd work?
[08:52] <panfist> "Working with XMMS2 does not seem like the best choice for us because we are not interested in developing a media client. We're looking to develop a media player based on our concepts of design, functionality and usability."
[08:52] <Jester45> whats the diff of a client or player
[08:53] <panfist> i have no idea
[08:53] <panfist> something like network transparency
[08:53] <Jester45> System79, does it print anything
[08:53] <panfist> or running a server process, on your machine or maybe another machine, kinda like mythtv-backend and -client maybe?
[08:53] <System79|X> Yes but not what i want to see
[08:53] <System79|X> >>
[08:53] <System79|X> grep: glx: No such file or directory
[08:53] <System79|X> cat: /etc/X11/xorg: No such file or directory
[08:54] <System79|X> I dont even think the conf loads the module
[08:54] <System79|X> :x
[08:54] <twiggz> Hey fellas.
[08:54] <twiggz> Has anyone had trouble installing fiesty over a 6.06 install?
[08:54] <twiggz> 6.06 will install perfectly
[08:54] <twiggz> fiesty will not
[08:54] <Jester45> doh its .xorg
[08:54] <Jester45> arrg
[08:55] <panfist> twiggz describe what happens
[08:55] <Jester45> xorg.config*
[08:55] <twiggz> I am going to try tribe 3 of gutsy now.
[08:55] <System79|X> xorg.conf ;)
[08:55] <twiggz> Hopefully that will work.
[08:55] <twiggz> panfist: ill tell you if i have problems with tribe 3.
[08:55] <Jester45> System79, well you got it
[08:55] <twiggz> It was a partitioning error with fiesty
[08:55] <twiggz> something about blocks or something
[08:55] <Jester45> twiggz, your probly gonna have more problems with a devel version than a stabe
[08:55] <System79|X> rick@rick-desktop:~$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Load "glx"
[08:55] <System79|X> grep: glx: No such file or directory
[08:55] <System79|X> >.>
[08:56] <twiggz> Jester45: the release announcement says its pretty damn free of installer bugs, this is why Im trying it.
[08:56] <Jester45> System79, look at your zorg.conf and see if it loads the module
[08:56] <twiggz> ala distrowatch
[08:56] <System79|X> Anyways in my xorg.conf the module section is like this: Section "Module"
[08:56] <System79|X> 	Load	"i2c"
[08:56] <System79|X> 	Load	"bitmap"
[08:56] <System79|X> 	Load	"ddc"
[08:56] <System79|X> 	Load	"dri"
[08:56] <System79|X> 	Load	"extmod"
[08:56] <System79|X> 	Load	"freetype"
[08:56] <System79|X> 	Load	"glx"
[08:56] <System79|X> 	Load	"int10"
[08:56] <System79|X> 	Load	"vbe"
[08:56] <System79|X> EndSection
[08:56] <System79|X> So it does load it
[08:56] <System79|X> It seems that the module does not exist
[08:56] <System79|X> or is in the wrong place
[08:57] <Jester45> System79, put it a the top
[08:57] <System79|X> Ok 1 sec going to try again
[08:58] <System79|X> Still doesnt work
[08:58] <System79|X> >.>
[08:59] <BFTD> whats wrong?
[08:59] <System79|X> xorg wont load my glx module >.>
[08:59] <Jester45> his nvidia driver is messed up
[08:59] <System79|X> yesh
[08:59] <Jester45> how did you install it
[09:00] <System79|X> via restricted driver manager
[09:00] <BFTD> sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx && sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[09:00] <System79|X> did that 60 times already
[09:00] <BFTD> run that command, restart and see what happens
[09:00] <System79|X> makes no diffrence
[09:00] <System79|X> makes no diffrence
[09:00] <Jester45> or... auso aptitude reinstall nvidia-glx
[09:00] <Jester45> sudo*
[09:01] <System79|X> im going to try something else 1 sec
[09:01] <greg__r> anyone know why i lost my window manager in gutsy tribe 2 and three?
[09:01] <BFTD> System79 what card do you have?
[09:01] <Jester45> im sleepy... fingers arent moving as fast as they should
[09:01] <System79|X> Nvidia geforce fx5600
[09:01] <System79|X> :/
[09:01] <Jester45> greg__r, have you tried to run it from a terminal? and what errors are given if it doesnt run
[09:01] <BFTD> oh
[09:02] <BFTD> pretty old card, never had much success with it when I tried
[09:02] <System79|X> Not that old >.>
[09:02] <System79|X> Always worked well
[09:02] <greg__r> the window buttons and movability of the windows worked until I restarted X a couple of times and now they're gone.
[09:03] <greg__r> how would one run a window manager from the terminal?
[09:03] <Jester45> greg__r, have you tried to run it from a terminal? and what errors are given if it doesnt run
[09:03] <Jester45> xfwm4
[09:03] <System79> Gah
[09:03] <System79> Mm
[09:03] <System79> X starts well no errors in the debug >.>
[09:04] <greg__r> Jester45, that worked, but why would it disappear? Is it a bug?
[09:04] <Jester45> greg__r, it happens a lot is all versions
[09:04] <Jester45> its just a program that died
[09:05] <System79> Jester45: /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libglx.so: Undefined symbol: _nv001462gl
[09:05] <System79> >.>
[09:05] <System79> Wut the **** does that mean :p
[09:05] <Jester45> System79, how did you install the driver
[09:06] <Jester45> System79, watch your ****s
[09:06] <System79> as i said sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx then when that didnt work sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx and then tried through the restricted driver thingie
[09:07] <Jester45> System79, maybe try via source
[09:07] <Jester45> *wave* maxamillion
[09:07] <System79> there is none
[09:07] <System79> >.>
[09:07] <System79> nvidia drivers are closed source >.>
[09:07] <maxamillion> hi hi Jester45
[09:07] <System79> however im going to try with a driver from nvidia.com now
[09:07] <maxamillion> System79: not all nvidia drivers are closed source
[09:07] <panfist> where can i go to find out about codecs, media players, etc. specifically, i followed some random guide online which installed 170megs of codecs, then i saw a package called gstreamer.10-ffmpeg which claimed to decode divx, mpeg, etc which seemed like it would do the job a lot better
[09:08] <System79> brb
[09:08] <maxamillion> !codecs | panfist
[09:08] <ubotu> panfist: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:08] <Jester45> !multimedia
[09:08] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.04 installs multimedia codecs automatically. For older versions of Ubuntu, or if you can't use the automatic installer, see https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - For multimedia applications, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[09:08] <maxamillion> :)
[09:08] <panfist> thank you
[09:09] <Jester45> well ubotu  is  speedy today
[09:09] <maxamillion> anytime
[09:09] <maxamillion> Jester45: yeah, i was just thinking that ... normally has more lag
[09:09] <maxamillion> !botsnack
[09:09] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[09:09] <panfist> so was it normal that i could not play a divx avi from a fresh install?
[09:09] <maxamillion> panfist: yes
[09:09] <Jester45> panfist, yes
[09:09] <Jester45> dang you beat me
[09:10] <maxamillion> panfist: codecs are something that generally take up disk space and not all users need them so they are just available for download
[09:10] <Jester45> panfist, its not opensource code so its not included by defualt
[09:10] <maxamillion> oh .. that too
[09:10] <maxamillion> well, some are open but others aren't
[09:10] <Jester45> divx isnt
[09:10] <maxamillion> right
[09:10] <panfist> well isnt ffmpeg open source?
[09:11] <maxamillion> panfist: i'm pretty sure it is
[09:11] <Jester45> there is a lot of codecs installed by defualt but not to many use it
[09:11] <twiggz> it looks like tribe3 is going to work.
[09:11] <twiggz> i hope.
[09:12] <twiggz> because upgrading 6.06 all the way to dmn fiesty is just to much of a pain in the ass.
[09:12] <twiggz> not worth it at all.
[09:12] <panfist> well im just really curious why gstreamer and ffmpeg werent installed by default, or even by this script i ran that installed 170megs
[09:12] <Jester45> ffmpeg's  implication of divx is
[09:12] <panfist> yeah twiggz i read about tribe3
[09:13] <twiggz> the release announcement says its pretty damn free of installer bugs compared to earlier releases
[09:13] <panfist> it said free from install bugs, but there were still frequent lockups
[09:13] <twiggz> so i said what the hell and got it
[09:13] <panfist> i hope you dont crash too much once it installs
[09:13] <twiggz> lol
[09:13] <twiggz> yea me too
[09:13] <panfist> if i wasnt so much of a nix noob i would try freebsd but im too afraid to get away from synaptic
[09:13] <Jester45> hehe doesnt matter to much if the install if good if the system doesnt run
[09:13] <twiggz> the announcement also said its pretty damn stable.
[09:13] <panfist> the next version of freebsd is going to have ZFS
[09:14] <Jester45> it seems very pretty
[09:14] <twiggz> i run freebsd at home myself, zenwalk on this laptop..and trying tribe3 for the little womans laptop
[09:14] <Jester45> whats after ZFS? AAFS?
[09:14] <twiggz> i personally cant stand ubuntu..lol
[09:14] <panfist> zfs is supposed to be the end all of file systems
[09:15] <Jester45> twiggz, good thing this is xubutu channel. i cant stand gnome to
[09:15] <panfist> you would need more mass than the solar system holds to represent all the data that you can theoretically represent with one zfs instance
[09:15] <twiggz> well, the release im trying is ubuntu, but the 6.06 i have is xubuntu
[09:15] <twiggz> xubuntu fiesty wouldnt install over it
[09:16] <Jester45> its trys to walk me though everything when i can go it faster myself than a  wizard
[09:16] <twiggz> its almost done
[09:16] <twiggz> !@#
[09:18] <System79> Gah
[09:18] <System79> Now i get an API mismatch
[09:18] <System79> =.=
[09:19] <System79> Jester45: Do you know an fix for this api mismatch stuff??
[09:19] <Jester45> nope
[09:19] <twiggz> tribe3 installed
[09:19] <twiggz> score
[09:20] <twiggz> DEATH TO FIESTY
[09:20] <System79> Death to nvidia
[09:20] <System79> =.=
[09:20] <twiggz> i rather nvidia than ati...tbh.
[09:20] <System79> every driver of them is dead
[09:20] <System79> =.=
[09:20] <twiggz> And I would rather still have 3dfx around than either of them.
[09:20] <twiggz> 3dfx was an awesome company.
[09:21] <System79> their own installer is bugged like hell and messed up some kernel stuff or something
[09:21] <System79> Now i cant boot at all
[09:21] <twiggz> I still have my 8mb agp2x voodoo3 card installed on something.
[09:21] <twiggz> its still rocking out.
[09:22] <System79> i used to have a voodoo3 but this Nvidia geforce fx5600 128 mb card looks better to me o.o
[09:23] <twiggz> this laptop is 9 years old....2mb ati card
[09:23] <twiggz> i dont really care about graphics...as long as i can see what im doing.
[09:24] <System79> Ooo
[09:24] <twiggz> fancy graphics cards are rarely productive for my purposes.
[09:24] <System79|X> Mmmk
[09:24] <System79|X> 1 sec
[09:25] <twiggz> i do have a 256mb ati sapphire card somewhere
[09:25] <twiggz> collecting dust
[09:25] <twiggz> id rather the voodoo3.
[09:25] <twiggz> lol
[09:26] <twiggz> well, tribe3 didnt hang, didnt error out.
[09:26] <twiggz> That is wonderful.
[09:26] <twiggz> The little lady will be pleased that she can have her laptop back
[09:26] <twiggz> lol
[09:27] <System79> ladys on linux?:P
[09:27] <twiggz> sure.
[09:27] <twiggz> why not?
[09:27] <twiggz> its not hard...a monkey can do it.
[09:27] <System79> I dont see my 50 year old moms on linux though
[09:27] <System79> :p
[09:27] <twiggz> Thats because she bought the pc with windows on it..lol
[09:27] <System79> She cant find her way in Windows and when she tried linux she had an headache for the next 9 week
[09:28] <System79> weeks*
[09:28] <twiggz> when you dont know windows all that well, it doesnt make a difference if you dont know linux that well...makes it easier to learn linux since you arent used to all the windows crap.
[09:29] <System79> Windows is pile of crap
[09:29] <System79> >.>
[09:29] <System79> How do i make my family understand it :p
[09:29] <Jester45> install linux on their computers
[09:29] <Jester45> only takes a few minutes
[09:30] <System79> Lol
[09:30] <twiggz> desktopbsd is actually more ideal imho
[09:30] <System79> Jester45: Do you know a command to find out the PID of X so i can kill it? gdm stop wont stop it
[09:31] <twiggz> bsd is much easier to maintain..the package management is more mature and reliable....
[09:31] <Jester45> if i had lots of time i would make a distro that looked just like windows with an automated installer
[09:31] <twiggz> but the little womans scared of bsd
[09:31] <Jester45> somepeople would never know
[09:31] <twiggz> i tried to explain to her that its just three letters
[09:31] <twiggz> lol
[09:31] <Jester45> System79, yes but why ask me not the channel?
[09:32] <System79> Jester45: Cause i like you :-)
[09:32] <Jester45> System79, try ps uax | grep Xserver
[09:32] <Jester45> aux*
[09:33] <Jester45> or Xorg
[09:33] <System79> Xserver comes up with some stuff
[09:33] <Jester45> or top
[09:34] <System79> Bye :i
[09:34] <jeff_> how do i make my checkgmail app start when i boot?
[09:35] <jeff_> nm i got it
[09:40] <twiggz> well, tribe 3 is working like a charm.
[09:41] <System79> Whats tribe3 if i may ask?
[09:42] <twiggz> 3rd alpha of gutsy
[09:42] <System79> Wuts gutsy :P
[09:42] <twiggz> whats coming after fiesty
[09:42] <System79> >.>
[09:42] <System79> so like ubuntu 7.14?
[09:42] <twiggz> its almost as up to date as zenwalk 4.6.1 too.
[09:46] <hyper_ch> System79: 7.10
[09:47] <System79> Whatever =D
[10:13] <System79> Does anyone know where amavisd.conf is located? ;p
[10:48] <jeff_> Hey, why is it that every time i log out and back in, my resolution changes back to 1024x768
[10:49] <jeff_> i ALWAYS change it to 1280x1024 then it goes back. im using the new nvidia driver
[10:50] <jeff_> its like ubuntu doesnt recognize the higher resolution until i manually change it with nvidias configuration tool
[10:50] <jeff_> then it forgets after reboot
[10:54] <guest68765468732> What does it mean when the Xubuntu disk  freezes at the last minute?
[10:56] <maxamillion> guest68765468732: of the installer?
[11:04] <guest68765468732> Yeah.
[11:04] <guest68765468732> Actually..
[11:04] <guest68765468732> It wont start the graphical engine.
[11:05] <guest68765468732> It just sits there.. blank screen.
[11:10] <System79> Anyone knows where amavisd.conf is located if you installed amavisd-new?
[11:11] <System79> Nvm
[11:17] <maxamillion> guest68765468732: how much ram does the machine have?
[11:17] <guest68765468732> 128
[11:18] <guest68765468732> But thats why im using Xubuntu.
[11:18] <guest68765468732> Ooh.. now another error.
[11:19] <guest68765468732> "Failed to start X server it is likely it is not set up correctly"
[11:19] <maxamillion> guest68765468732: you need to use the alternate-cd for installation, i think feisty need 192mb of ram for gui installation
[11:19] <guest68765468732> 6.10?
[11:20] <guest68765468732> 6.06.1?
[11:21] <RedRama> greetz
[11:22] <RedRama> has anyone successfully configured the ms wireless desktop 6000 (keyboard + mouse) with opensuse 10.2?
[11:23] <Pumpernickel> This isn't the channel for opensuse questions.
[11:25] <maxamillion> RedRama: please /join #opensuse
[11:28] <RedRama> oups sorry, usually i hang out there :)
[11:29] <maxamillion> that was odd
[11:33] <Catoptromancy> yay one more game on my Linux syatem
[11:33] <Catoptromancy> Installed Hexen2 with wine, ran patch with wine, built linux binary, renamed .dat files to linux syntax
[11:56] <System79> wbadger <3
[11:56] <System79> :p
[11:56] <wbadger> hi :)
[11:57] <System79> im setting up a mailserver =)
[11:57] <wbadger> you mean like.. people will be able to send mail through your computer?
[11:58] <System79> Im setting up a website which i was going to do with my friend but ill do it on my own now and it will have its own mailserver so admins get an blahblah@blahblah.com
[11:58] <System79> ;O
[11:59] <wbadger> oh nice... what do you use for it?
[11:59] <System79> postfix and courier imap
[12:00] <wbadger> did you get it going yet?
[12:00] <System79> no im running into a few problems  > .>
[12:00] <System79> For some reason it deleted my mail folder :S
[12:01] <wbadger> mail folder = /var/mail/username?
[12:01] <System79> probably :$
[12:01] <twiggz> whats the compiz package called?
[12:02] <twiggz> that shit has to GO
[12:02] <wbadger> I believe compiz
[12:02] <twiggz> its locked up tribe 3 three times already
[12:02] <twiggz> lol
[12:02] <wbadger> twiggz, you can simply disable compiz when you play
[12:03] <twiggz> i want it GONE
[12:03] <twiggz> eyecandy is rarely useful.
[12:03] <wbadger> twiggz, amm actually you can do that with Beryl, not sure about Compiz. But I believe it is true for compiz-fusion
[12:03] <wbadger> ok then sudo apt-get remove compiz
[12:03] <twiggz> cool
[12:05] <System79> man
[12:05] <System79> im seriously lost in this now
[12:05] <System79> >.>
[12:05] <wbadger> System79, is there any other problem? because I guess you could just recreate the mail folder..
[12:05] <System79> Well i just need to figure some things out
[12:05] <System79> First time i even try to make a mailserver
[12:05] <System79> on linux
[12:05] <System79> >.>
[12:06] <wbadger> System79, well I never did try so..
[12:09] <twiggz> imho, compiz and beryl should always be user added....
[12:09] <twiggz> and everything of that nature
[12:09] <wbadger> twiggz, they are
[12:10] <wbadger> on xubuntu at least..
[12:10] <twiggz> looks like ubuntu tribe 3 put it there itself.
[12:11] <wbadger> I use stable version... that's wierd, but I guess it's not that bad if there is an easy way to remove it
[12:11] <twiggz> fiesty wouldnt install over the 6.06 install i had
[12:11] <twiggz> aint that some shit?
[12:12] <wbadger> why not?
[12:12] <twiggz> some sort of partitioning error...i dont remember....tribe3 installed smoothly.
[12:13] <wbadger> actually, I also had some problem because of the mounting, I had to unmount right after I started partitioning or it would give an error when overwriting a partition
[12:14] <twiggz> Well, nothing wrong with tribe3 installer
[12:15] <twiggz> just compiz causing the machine to lock up...removed it....rebooted...got a popup about 36 updates...im letting them install now.
[12:16] <wbadger> they should have an option in the install... do they?
[12:16] <twiggz> i didnt notice one...i could be wrong about that though.
[12:17] <System79> Wow funny :D
[12:17] <twiggz> but it was compiz.real causing the error.
[12:17] <System79> I can control ubuntu with my phone
[12:17] <System79> >.>
[12:17] <twiggz> atleast thats what the popup msg said
[12:17] <wbadger> :\
[12:17] <System79> Even able to move the mouse
[12:17] <System79> :)
[12:17] <System79> bluetooth ftw
[12:18] <twiggz> i hate cellphones.
[12:18] <System79> i dunt
[12:18] <wbadger> lol whys that
[12:18] <System79> =P
[12:18] <System79> i like how i can control my computer with them
[12:19] <twiggz> really, if im not at home....that means im damn busy...if i wanted to be bothered while i was busy...id get a cellphone...i dont have one...you can leave a msg on my answering machine like normal people.
[12:19] <twiggz> you can call me on my home line and leave a msg...or come visit me..or it wasnt that damn important that you talk to me in the first place.
[12:20] <twiggz> i hate standing in the checkout line at a grocery store and some ass is on a cellphone...usually having the most useless conversation in the world too
[12:20] <twiggz> "whatcha doin"
[12:20] <twiggz> "oh nothing, whatchoo doin?"
[12:20] <wbadger> lol
[12:21] <wbadger> some people aren't home much though
[12:21] <twiggz> "well hey call me when so and so does so and so"
[12:21] <wbadger> what can they do?
[12:21] <twiggz> and im like
[12:21] <twiggz> WTF
[12:21] <twiggz> you actually pay money for calls like that?
[12:21] <twiggz> to hell with that
[12:21] <twiggz> i see ten year olds running around with cellphones these days even
[12:22] <twiggz> what in the hell does a ten year old need with a damn cellphone?
[12:22] <wbadger> don't you think it's a wonder of modern technology that you can talk with a person so far away?
[12:22] <wbadger> they sometimes tend to get lost..
[12:22] <twiggz> i can do that with my home phone.
[12:22] <twiggz> it was less expensive
[12:22] <twiggz> :)
[12:23] <wbadger> I meant the children tend to sometimes get lost, not the phones :P
[12:23] <twiggz> I damn sure dont see the reason anyone shuld spend that kind of money for a phone on a ten year old when hes going to drop it in the toilet anyway
[12:23] <twiggz> kids are supposed to take their ass to school...and come home....at ten years old they damn sure dont need to be walking around costing me money because they wanted to txt msg their friends moms brothers kid in another classroom
[12:23] <wbadger> it gives parents a sense of security, don't you think?
[12:24] <twiggz> false security maybe.
[12:24] <twiggz> just because they have a phone, doesnt mean they are gonna tell daddy where they are going.
[12:24] <twiggz> not at all.
[12:24] <wbadger> they are if they feel they are in danger..
[12:25] <wbadger> and you know, some people just like to talk much :P
[12:25] <wbadger> especially girls
[12:25] <twiggz> lol, sounds like alot of parents think the cellphone can raise their kid.
[12:25] <twiggz> itll raise money out of their wallets, thats for sure.
[12:25] <wbadger> so what? you gotta use your money somehow
[12:26] <wbadger> lets say you can afford to eat and still have money for other things.. that is the situation with many families I believe