[12:37] <RichEd> hey jsgotangco
[12:37] <RichEd> hi Burgundavia
[12:37] <Burgundavia> hey RichEd
[12:46] <jsgotangco> hi
[12:46] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[12:46] <jsgotangco> having an all-nighter?
[12:52] <ogra> jsgotangco, its note even 4pm here :)
[02:01] <jsgotangco> oh i guess you're all in portland then ;-)
[02:14] <RichEd> jsgotangco: RichEd & ogra from this channel ... yes indeed
[04:32] <ari_stress> morning all :)
[04:35] <johnny> hi folks
[04:35] <johnny> is there a better channel than here for ubuntu ltsp ?
[04:36] <Dante123> Hi all....anyone here know much about library automation and open source library management systems?
[04:37] <ari_stress> johnny: what do you mean? this channel is good
[04:37] <johnny> just wondering if it was
[04:37] <ari_stress> or #ltsp for generic question
[04:38] <johnny> i'm getting an error  when booting
[04:38] <johnny>   nfsmount: need a path
[04:38] <ari_stress> Dante123: i've just read about it, let me remember about it
[04:38] <johnny> booting a client that is
[04:38] <ari_stress> johnny: was it working ok previously?
[04:38] <johnny> no
[04:38] <johnny> now i'm dumped in an ash shell
[04:39] <ari_stress> ok, possible configuration problem
[04:39] <johnny> not possible
[04:39] <johnny> definitely :)
[04:39] <ari_stress> ok :)
[04:39] <ari_stress> well, as far as i know
[04:39] <ari_stress> edubuntu ltsp is work out of the box
[04:39] <ari_stress> we dont need to set a thing
[04:39] <ari_stress> did you set anything?
[04:39] <johnny> yeah.. this is ubuntu
[04:39] <johnny> not edubuntu
[04:40] <ari_stress> oww.. then we need to set something
[04:40] <johnny> ubuntu server and ubuntu clients
[04:40] <Dante123> Hi all....anyone here know much about library automation and open source library management systems?
[04:40] <johnny> if edubuntu had existed when this box was setup, we'd be using it
[04:40] <ari_stress> Dante123: let me thing about it for a minute. my brain isn't dual core yet :)
[04:41] <johnny> i'm having an issue due to two configuration oddities
[04:41] <johnny> one.. in that i'm using both ppc and i386 clients on an amd64 server
[04:41] <Dante123> okay....I've seen Koho website...but wondering what else is available and maybe some ubuntu support or install files available
[04:41] <johnny> and the 2nd in that i'm using dnsmasq  for dhcp/caching dns/tftp
[04:42] <ari_stress> Dante123: here's some good url: http://library.rider.edu/scholarly/ecorrado/il2004/ossfeatures.html http://eprints.rclis.org/8074/
[04:42] <ari_stress> Dante123: oh ubuntu? ok let me search my ubuntu, i remember seeing something like that
[04:45] <ari_stress> Dante123: sorry, i cannot find anything about library in my ubuntu. i guess the above mentioned urls are a good starting point
[04:45] <ari_stress> johnny: oh two different clients?
[04:45] <ari_stress> then you need special steps
[04:45] <johnny> yes, i'm sure of i t
[04:45] <Dante123> ok thanks
[04:46] <ari_stress> in building the client environment
[04:46] <johnny> well i'm ignoring ppc for now
[04:46] <johnny> until i get i386 working
[04:46] <johnny> since i am far more familiar with i386
[04:46] <ari_stress> johnny: let me get the reference, i read about it once
[04:46] <johnny> i think i know how to do it
[04:46] <johnny> once i  get i386 working
[04:48] <johnny> it's looking in /scripts/nfs-premount but i see nothing in   there
[04:48] <johnny> i thought it was a file, but it seems to be a directory
[04:50] <ari_stress> oh ok
[04:50] <ari_stress> but i suspect the i386 isnt working, because the server is 64?
[04:53] <johnny> doubtful
[04:54] <johnny> other people have done it
[04:54] <johnny> you just need to have a client built
[04:54] <johnny> the problme i'm getting now is that my rootpath: seems empty
[04:54] <johnny> it seems set .. but i  can'te tell
[04:54] <johnny> should my client hae an empty /etc/fstab ?
[04:56] <Dante123> looks like KOHA is the best
[04:56] <ari_stress> Dante123: really?
[04:57] <ari_stress> johnny: what do you mean? the client is diskless right?
[04:58] <sbalneav> ari_stress: Can you paste your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf?
[05:00] <johnny> yes.. i meant in the /opt/ltsp
[05:00] <johnny> the mounted directory
[05:00] <johnny> it's loading the kernel
[05:00] <johnny> but it can't mount the root fs
[05:01] <ari_stress> sbalneav: ok
[05:02] <sbalneav> Paste it to the pastebin
[05:02] <sbalneav> !pastebin
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[05:03] <ari_stress> sbalneav: it's http://pastebin.com/m3e172158
[05:03] <ari_stress> sbalneav: thanks for being so patient with me :)
[05:03] <ari_stress> sbalneav: it's a standard dhcpd.conf from ltsp5, i just add some lines at the above
[05:05] <sbalneav> what's your /etc/exports file look like?
[05:05] <sbalneav> So, you've got a 64 bit server?
[05:05] <sbalneav> did you build the chroot with --arch i386?
[05:06] <ari_stress> sbalneav: you talking to me?
[05:06] <sbalneav> Don't see anyone else with a problem :)
[05:06] <ari_stress> sbalneav: :D
[05:07] <ari_stress> sbalneav: i'm using 32bit for the server
[05:07] <sbalneav> ok
[05:07] <ari_stress> sbalneav: the client can boot OK
[05:07] <ari_stress> sbalneav: if I don't use those dhcp-dns-dynamic-update
[05:08] <sbalneav> oh, are you the guy on the lists?
[05:08] <ari_stress> sbalneav: but when i add those lines in dhcpd.conf for dynamic update, the client got the IP, but cannot load tftp
[05:08] <ari_stress> sbalneav: yes, i'm fajar on the list :D
[05:08] <sbalneav> k, why do dynamic, and complicate things?  Why not just statically define all your ltsp hosts in dns?
[05:09] <ari_stress> sbalneav: that's exactly i'm thinking. but since he's the one has the money, i as consultant can just do my best to provide it
[05:11] <ari_stress> but, i take it as a challenge. i always believe in foss, and i'm sure it can mimic the feature of MS W2k feature
[05:11] <ari_stress> it's just me that dont know the sytax/conf correctly yet
[05:11] <sbalneav> I'm sure you can too, but WHY? What does DYNAMICALLY assigning a hostname give you, over simply pre-defining them?
[05:12] <ari_stress> sbalneav: you are right, it's over kill feature for ltsp, and dont have any real benefit. but...
[05:12] <ari_stress> he wants it for the rest of the network too
[05:13] <johnny>   the erroring i'm geting is tht it's trying to run /scripts/nfs-premount  and says nfsmount: need a path
[05:13] <ari_stress> some of the network dont use ltsp, that's why he wants the dynamic thing
[05:13] <johnny> sbalneav, any ideas?
[05:13] <sbalneav> johnny: Ah, so it's YOU who's having the booting problem.
[05:13] <johnny> it's loading the kernel
[05:13] <sbalneav> johnny: paste your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file.
[05:13] <johnny> i don't have one
[05:13] <johnny> i'm using dnsmasq
[05:13] <sbalneav> ari_stress: You getting paid to research this?
[05:14] <sbalneav> johnny: Good luck with that.
[05:15] <johnny> it's already booting the kernel
[05:15] <johnny> so i'm not sure what it has to do with anything
[05:16] <johnny> where is the nfsmount root defined?
[05:16] <sbalneav> in the dhcpd.conf file
[05:16] <sbalneav> it's passed as an option from dhcp
[05:17] <sbalneav> dnsmasq doesn't handle that option.
[05:17] <sbalneav> so, the client has no idea where it's root drive is.
[05:17] <ari_stress> sbalneav: i'm an employee of a linux consultant. my boss who is get the big money, i'm just my monthly salary
[05:18] <sbalneav> johnny: so, dnsmasq isn't going to work.
[05:20] <johnny> i've heard of folks doing it thus the reason why i tried
[05:21] <sbalneav> Where have you "heard" this?
[05:21] <sbalneav> The only way it would work is if you hacked up the initramfs, and hardcoded a bunch of values.
[05:21] <johnny> http://www.quixotic.org.uk/Articles/LTSP.shtml
[05:22] <johnny> aha..had that one, but in another dnsmasq config file
[05:22] <sbalneav> That looks like he's doing it for the older ltsp 4.2
[05:24] <sbalneav> Any reason why you want to use dnsmasq over the standard dhcpd?
[05:25] <johnny> cuz dnsmasq is an awesome package and i was already familiar with it.. run it on every network
[05:26] <sbalneav> Ah, so just personal preference.
[05:27] <sbalneav> Well, your options are: hack dnsmasq to supply the option you need (root-path) or, hack the initramfs to hardcode the root path.
[05:27] <johnny> its showing up now
[05:27] <johnny> it says rootpath : 192.168.1.5:/otp/ltsp/i386 now :)
[05:28] <sbalneav> Well, according to the manpage on it I saw, it didn't support that option.  Maybe newer ones do.
[05:28] <johnny> it's still not booting, but at least that isn't empty
[05:28] <johnny> yeah.. it read that too
[05:28] <johnny> i*
[05:28] <johnny> but newer versions fixed that
[05:28] <sbalneav> ditch the 192...., and just have /optl/ltsp/i386
[05:29] <sbalneav> /opt/ltsp/i386
[05:29] <sbalneav> Someone should tell them to update the manpage on the dnsmasq site then :)
[05:30] <johnny> it shows rootpath: /opt/ltsp/i386 but it still says nfsmount:need a path
[05:31] <sbalneav> Here's the question: does it boot if you use the stock dhcpd?
[05:34] <johnny> i'll try after my users get off the network
[05:34] <johnny> prolly 5 min
[05:55] <johnny> aha.. it loads nbi
[05:55] <johnny> image
[05:57] <johnny> hi?
[05:57] <johnny> test..
[06:02] <johnny> sbalneav, you here?
[06:08] <sbalneav> Yep
[06:12] <johnny> just had to add these
[06:12] <johnny> dhcp-vendorclass=etherboot,Etherboot
[06:12] <johnny> dhcp-vendorclass=pxe,PXEClient
[06:12] <johnny> hcp-boot=net:pxe,/i386/pxelinux.0
[06:12] <johnny> dhcp-boot=net:etherboot,/i386/nbi.img
[06:12] <johnny> with different file paths
[06:12] <johnny> obviously
[06:12] <johnny> but it was booting
[06:34] <johnny> sbalneav, what is the most acceptable way to enable autologin ?
[06:34] <johnny> for each machine to different accounts
[06:35] <sbalneav> You'll need gadi's patched ldm.
[06:36] <johnny> how come it is not in there by default?
[06:40] <sbalneav> Because autologin under ldm wasn't developed until recently.
[06:40] <sbalneav> I'm working on the ldm2 rewrite, and autologin will be a part of that, for gutsy.
[06:42] <johnny> ldm ?
[06:42] <johnny> is that a fork of gdm?
[06:42] <johnny> or?
[06:42] <johnny> it looks similiar
[06:44] <johnny> well i'm interested in the patch
[06:45] <sbalneav> No, it's a completely ltsp-developed display manager.
[06:45] <sbalneav> Unlike most display managers, it runs on the client, and not the server.
[06:45] <johnny> aha..
[06:45] <johnny> so how does it pull its options?
[06:46] <sbalneav> check the edubuntu and ltsp-discuss mailing lists, the link to the patched ldm's been posted there.
[06:46] <sbalneav> through lts.conf
[06:46] <johnny> lts.conf .. never seen it
[06:46] <johnny> oh i see it now
[06:46] <johnny> neato..
[06:46] <johnny> is that what i should use then?
[06:47] <johnny> for having workstations logging in by  workstationname/workstationname
[06:47] <johnny>  user/pass
[06:47] <sbalneav> you'll have to set up a username and password for each workstation in the lab
[06:48] <sbalneav> Personally, I'm adding the feature under duress. :) As far as I'm concerned, it's a HUGE security hole.
[06:49] <sbalneav> But people seem to want it, so we're adding it.
[06:51] <johnny> security hole for who?
[06:51] <johnny> for the client? or the server?
[06:52] <sbalneav> For the whole network.
[06:52] <johnny> it is definitely something i want to understand
[06:53] <sbalneav> It breaks the chain of authority.
[06:53] <sbalneav> The "One person, one userid" rule.
[06:53] <johnny> oh
[06:53] <johnny> these are public terminals
[06:53] <sbalneav> Excellent.
[06:53] <johnny> nobody needs an account
[06:53] <johnny> so user ids will never work here
[06:54] <johnny> if we ever get a new box
[06:54] <johnny> then maybe we'll offer some local storage
[06:54] <johnny> atm we'll just be clearing it every night
[06:54] <johnny> so does that security issue apply to me? and can it be exploited to get root on the box?
[06:55] <sbalneav> So, I just walk up, sent an email death threat to <national head of state> and walk away, and when <national police force> comes calling, and comes to you looking to know WHO logged in to that terminal WHEN, you say.....
[06:55] <sbalneav> what?
[06:56] <sbalneav> I've never seen a "public access area" that didn't have SOME way of handling a login.
[06:57] <sbalneav> At my public library, you sign in with your librarycard number, and PIN.
[06:57] <sbalneav> etc.
[06:59] <johnny> not here
[06:59] <johnny> never has been
[07:00] <sbalneav> not here, what?
[07:00] <johnny> no signups
[07:00] <sbalneav> Same thing if any local root exploit is discovered.
[07:01] <johnny> sure
[07:01] <sbalneav> they're on the box, with no way for you to know WHO did it.
[07:01] <johnny> yep.. same as the way they were running before then
[07:02] <sbalneav> Now you know the risks.
[07:02] <johnny> i knew those ones
[07:02] <johnny> i just wanted to know if there were risks specifically with the way the autologin works
[07:03] <sbalneav> none extra.
[07:03] <johnny> ok cool
[07:03] <sbalneav> The existing ones are huge enough. :)
[07:03] <johnny> sure
[07:04] <johnny> at least we have a good backup procedure
[07:04] <johnny> we don't even take pictures inside the shop without consent of everybody inside
[07:05] <sbalneav> lol
[07:05] <johnny> one of the collective members helps run the imc network
[07:06] <johnny> and they make sure not to log IP addresses for any of the  IMC sites in the network
[07:10] <sbalneav> Well, late here, I've committed my patches, so I'm of to bed.
[07:10] <sbalneav> night all
[03:43] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:45] <juliux> morning sbalneav
[03:46] <sbalneav> hi juliux
[05:18] <sgonzalez> My edubuntu 7.04 server is requiring me to put my password in twice when I log in. My admin GUI tools seem broken by this (are they looking for the password twice also?) I also see this when I'm using the command line, but it just asks twice and then lets me use tools. Any ideas? This happened after I set up the server to authenticate against Active Directory. I am trying to log in using a local admin account (not an AD account.)
[05:19] <sbalneav> sgonzalez: You might want to look in your pam.d files
[05:19] <sbalneav> You're probably missing a try_first_pass in there somewhere.
[05:20] <sbalneav> i.e., in common-auth, for ldap auth, you'll want something like:
[05:20] <sbalneav> auth    sufficient      pam_ldap.so
[05:20] <sbalneav> auth    required        pam_unix.so nullok_secure try_first_pass
[05:20] <sgonzalez> What should I look for in them? I edited common-account, common-auth, common-password and common-session. Any suggestions on where to start and what to look for? I followed the same directions using ubuntu 6.06 and had no issues like this.
[05:21] <sgonzalez> sbalneav: Ah, just reading your post. Will look there.
[05:21] <sbalneav> How about pasting your common-* to the pastebin?
[05:21] <sbalneav> !pastebin
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[05:22] <sgonzalez> sbalneav: Thanks! That worked. Saved me a bunch of looking!
[05:23] <sbalneav> np
[05:23] <cbx33> heheh
[05:23] <cbx33> me has
[05:23] <cbx33> auth    required       pam_usb.so
[05:23] <cbx33> hehehe
[05:24] <sbalneav> Ah, yeah, saw your blogpost.
[05:24] <sbalneav> Very cool.
[05:24] <cbx33> hehe
[05:24] <sbalneav> brb
[05:29] <sbalneav> back
[08:47] <sbalneav> back
[10:10] <LaserJock> bdoin: any exciting stuff in the new gcompris release
[10:12] <bdoin> not really
[10:13] <bdoin> we are more focused on olpc port that adding new features
[10:14] <bdoin> but since distro are always slow packaging things, there are probably still new things going through the pipe ;)
[10:15] <bdoin> do you know our wordprocessor, internal and local irc chat
[10:15] <bdoin> ?
[10:19] <sbalneav> LaserJock: hey, saw the blog post the other day!  Wasn't aware you had burned out!
[10:21] <LaserJock> sbalneav: no?
[10:21] <LaserJock> bdoin: no, I haven't seen that
[10:21] <sbalneav> You're scaling back though, right?
[10:21] <LaserJock> sbalneav: "no?" as in, you haven't heard?
[10:22] <LaserJock> sbalneav: yes, scaling back, at least for now, almost completely
[10:22] <sbalneav> Well, good for you.
[10:22] <sbalneav> Get your PhD done.
[10:22] <sbalneav> That's way more important.
[10:28] <LaserJock> sbalneav: oh, while you're here. there is a new nbd version from Debian available
[11:14] <Patrick_> hello, could somebody tll me what i have to do to make usb sticks working on the LTSP clienes ?
[11:18] <sbalneav> Patrick_: If you have a stock edubuntu server install, they should work out of the box.
[11:18] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Ping
[11:18] <LaserJock> sbalneav: hola
[11:19] <sbalneav> Off the top of your head, who would I go to to add a couple of packages to the edubuntu-bugsquad?
[11:19] <sbalneav> I'm thinking sabayon and pesselus
[11:19] <sbalneav> ogra?
[11:19] <LaserJock> I can do it
[11:19] <LaserJock> in fact I think anybody in ~edubuntu-bugsquad can do it
[11:19] <sbalneav> Only if you have time.
[11:20] <LaserJock> ~edubuntu-bugs rather
[11:21] <LaserJock> sbalneav: pesselus is already there
[11:22] <LaserJock> sbalneav: did you figure out how to add them?
[11:24] <LaserJock> ogra: are you really here? :-)
[11:24] <ogra> LaserJock, in portland, yes
[11:24] <LaserJock> ogra: I uploaded edubuntu-addon-meta to NEW
[11:24] <ogra> how's life ?
[11:24] <ogra> yay
[11:24] <ogra> \o/
[11:24] <LaserJock> life is really busy
[11:25] <ogra> i added gobby to -desktop yesterday
[11:28] <sbalneav> LaserJock: No, I'm a moron. :(
[11:28] <sbalneav> grrr
[11:28] <LaserJock> sbalneav: it's ok, I'll show you
[11:29] <sbalneav> I'm sure it's something obvious, I'm just not seeing
[11:29] <LaserJock> ogra: I have the patch ready for debian-cd so as soon as I get edubuntu-addon-meta into Main (I assume it has to be in Main) then I'll give it to colin
[11:30] <LaserJock> sbalneav: go to the sabayon LP page
[11:30] <LaserJock> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sabayon
[11:30] <sbalneav> ah, well, you're right, sabayon is listed on the +package-bugs page
[11:30] <sbalneav> argh
[11:30] <sbalneav> pessellus
[11:30] <LaserJock> under Actions on the left sidebar hit Bugmail Settings
[11:31] <sbalneav> shutup balneaves and just do what the man with the laser says
[11:31] <LaserJock> Under "Team bug contacts" you should see Edubuntu Bugsuad
[11:31] <LaserJock> *squad
[11:32] <sbalneav> got it.
[11:32] <sbalneav> it's there now.
[11:32] <sbalneav> Thanks!
[11:32] <LaserJock> "Teach the man to fish ...."
[11:32] <sbalneav> Build a man a fire, and you'll keep him warm for an evening.
[11:33] <sbalneav> Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
[11:33] <LaserJock> lol
[11:33] <ogra> *grin*
[11:33] <LaserJock> ogra: if I have time I'll look at the new versions of gcompris, and tuxpaint* and see if there's anything worth merging
[11:34] <ogra> are there new versions ?
[11:34] <ogra> i can do that as well i think
[11:34] <LaserJock> according to merges.ubuntu.com
[11:34] <ogra> ah
[11:34] <ogra> i didnt follw that
[11:35] <ogra> no coding time at al here
[11:35] <ogra> but sbalneav is coding like mad
[11:35] <LaserJock> there is a new nbd too
[11:35] <LaserJock> going from 2.9.3 to 2.9.5
[11:35] <ogra> that should have our fixes
[11:35] <ogra> i'll look t it next week
[11:35] <LaserJock> ogra: I'll look at gcompris and tuxpaint* . I don't want to get rusty ;-)
[11:36] <LaserJock> I should be able to do those this evening I think
[11:36] <ogra> heh, ok
[11:36] <ogra> if you insist :)
[11:36] <sbalneav> ok off home
[11:36] <sbalneav> night all
[11:38] <LaserJock> ogra: well, I gotta keep my core-dev credentials up ;-)
[11:38] <LaserJock> I haven't worked in Universe for some time now
[11:43] <Dante123> Hi all.....I am a teacher and I am looking at setting up Koha library management software on a PIII 800mhz computer......should I be running edubuntu on that or go with the ubuntu already installed?  Koha uses mysql.....I have done lots of ubuntu desktop installs....no server installs....Edubuntu is a server edition correct?
[11:45] <LaserJock> hi RichEd
[11:45] <RichEd> hi LaserJock
[11:45] <LaserJock> Dante123: actually Edubuntu is a desktop install with some server stuff added to it
[11:45] <RichEd> Dante123: edubuntu is an either or
[11:46] <LaserJock> Dante123: well, I guess I should clarify. It uses the alternate-disk like installer
[11:46] <LaserJock> but it installs a full desktop
[11:46] <RichEd> it has a bunch of educational software and edu games that install by default onto the desktop ... so it is a good idea to try it out in the library
[11:47] <LaserJock> Dante123: it already has Ubuntu installed on it?
[11:47] <Dante123> will it have server stuff with it too....in case I want to setup another computer to use the search features of Koha
[11:47] <Dante123> Yes, I had ubuntu on it before....just to try and show the kids something other than WINDOZE
[11:48] <LaserJock> yes, you can install LAMP (Linux Apache MySQL PhP/Python) with the Edubuntu Classroom Server CD
[11:48] <LaserJock> you can also do it all from your existing Ubuntu installation
[11:49] <LaserJock> an easy way to get the server stuff from an Edubuntu/Ubuntu install is to use tasksel in a terminal
[11:49] <LaserJock> you just run tasksel and then select what tasks you want to install, like LAMP Server and Edubuntu desktop
[11:50] <LaserJock> and it'll install all the needed packages
[11:51] <LaserJock> Dante123: and  if you want educational apps in 7.04 you can get the Edubuntu Classroom Server Addon CD, burn it, and pop it in
[11:51] <LaserJock> ogra: is that ( -devel ) regarding the Desktop CD?
[11:52] <ogra> yup
[11:52] <Dante123> well....if I can run taskel from terminal and add LAMP...then that would be great......and I'd leave ubuntu 7.04 on there
[11:52] <ogra> seems its done
[11:52] <ogra> (as i promised you) :)
[11:53] <Dante123> if i choose edubuntu desktop.....and lamp......the configuration of everything else will remain the same right?
[11:55] <Dante123> okay i am running tasksel....so what should I add.....besides LAMP and Edubuntu Desktop?
[11:57] <LaserJock> that's it
[11:58] <LaserJock> unless you want to run an LTSP server
[11:58] <LaserJock> then you could also do Edubuntu server
[11:59] <LaserJock> ogra: so does it automatically look at the contents of the LiveCD or do we have to manually adjust it?
[11:59] <Dante123> do I deselect the ubuntu desktop if I am adding the edubuntu one and I already have ubuntu?  Also what about DNS server....I don't think I need that now or yet
[12:00] <ogra> LaserJock, it automatically builds an intersection for -desktop vs -live
[12:00] <ogra> and installs the result
[12:00] <LaserJock> ogra: sweet
[12:00] <ogra> yeah
[12:01] <ogra> colin made a mathematical formula out of it when we discussed it very impressing
[12:02] <LaserJock> heh
[12:02] <LaserJock> I guess that's why we pay him the big bucks
[12:03] <ogra> yeah
[12:18] <johnny> hi does anybody here know where that patch is to allow autologin ?
[12:18] <johnny> in ldm
[12:18] <johnny> i tried googling the ltsp list, but i only found references