[12:15] <Silent_G> so sfire  utorrent will work as fast as on windows with wine?
[12:15] <runlevelten> I've never known anyone face problems with ktorrent in reality
[12:15] <dsmith> 1.61 version of utorrent then
[12:15] <sfire> Silent_G: probably even faster
[12:16] <sfire> 1.61 is the one to get
[12:16] <Silent_G> O_O faster
[12:16] <sfire> 1.7+ is banned on many trackers
[12:16] <runlevelten> utorrent = windows software.
[12:16] <runlevelten> and crap.
[12:16] <dsmith> only as fast as your upload/download bandwidth will handle
[12:16] <Silent_G> dsmith,
[12:16] <Silent_G> im not talking about downloading
[12:16] <Silent_G> im talking about the programme
[12:16] <Silent_G> since many programmes wined will work slow
[12:17] <sfire> Silent_G: I'll tell you it works just as fast as in my windows... it even says its wine compatable on the download page
[12:17] <dsmith> I know, being sarcastic :)
[12:17] <sfire> I haven't had 1 crash or anything using it.. totally flawless :)
[12:17] <runlevelten> Silent_G: shouldn't be any reason for it to act slow
[12:17] <Silent_G> yeah sfire  i saw the wine compatable thing
[12:17] <runlevelten> something like a bittorrent client will probably work a bit faster in wine than windows, actually
[12:17] <Silent_G> i wonder why they didnt just get out a linux version
[12:18] <Silent_G> why is that runlevelten ?
[12:18] <dsmith> no longer updated?
[12:18] <runlevelten> a lot of BTs bread and butter involves stuff which carries a lot less overhead on Linux than windows
[12:18] <Silent_G> dsmith,  no a new version just got out
[12:18] <aldcor> aldcor
[12:18] <runlevelten> and when you use wine, that stuff is done through Linux system calls
[12:18] <Silent_G> oh i understtand a bit runlevelten
[12:19] <Silent_G> sfire, so i shouldnt download the latest stable version? :S
[12:19] <sfire> Silent_G: I wouldn't recommend it.. although I'm sure it will work
[12:19] <runlevelten> Not that I'm recommending non-Free software, you understand ;)
[12:19] <sfire> I know every site I use allows 1.61
[12:19] <sfire> Silent_G: I'll send you a link
[12:20] <sfire> Silent_G: you can get it there off my server
[12:20] <Silent_G> hmm ok then
[12:20] <Silent_G> i downloaded the 7.2 version
[12:20] <Silent_G> but yeah i'll take your advise
[12:21] <Silent_G> sfire, so 7.2 is banned?
[12:21] <runlevelten> I like proper desktop integration myself. Wine != that.
[12:21] <sfire> Silent_G: on a few sites I frequent
[12:21] <sfire> I don't know what kind of sites you go to
[12:21] <Silent_G> hmm
[12:21] <dr_willis> proberly dont want to know. :P
[12:21] <sfire> hehehehe
[12:21] <Silent_G> :s
[12:21] <sfire> I think its off topic here :P
[12:22] <ice9> hello friends!
[12:22] <sfire> lets just say I abuse my cable modem frequently
[12:22] <sfire> hehehehehehe
[12:22] <runlevelten> sfire: It'll drop off, you know.
[12:23] <sfire> I'm so glad I got that Torrent 1.61
[12:23] <angasule> I want to add a new page to the ubuntu wiki but I'm not sure what are the naming convetions and what template to use, any help?
[12:23] <aldcor> aldcor
[12:23] <sfire> I hate how websites remove old versions :(
[12:23] <dr_willis> sfire,  look for it on.. egads! torrent search sites? :)
[12:23] <sfire> angasule: is there a wiki page on it?
[12:24] <runlevelten> You know lots of bittorrent implementations are now spying on people, don't you?
[12:24] <sfire> runlevelten: thats why I don't suggest 1.7+
[12:24] <pauljw> /qquit
[12:24] <runlevelten> I wouldn't use closed source BT client if you paid me.
[12:24] <sfire> Torrent is changing hands
[12:24] <dr_willis> Google should buy them! :)
[12:24] <sfire> hell no
[12:24] <angasule> sfire: a wiki page on what?
[12:25] <sfire> angasule: creating a wiki page
[12:25] <runlevelten> sfire: has anyone actually hashed those "earlier releases" against known good copies?
[12:25] <dr_willis> a wiki on making a wiki page?
[12:25] <sfire> runlevelten: I downloaded this copy myself right when it came out... I had it lingering on the hard drive
[12:25] <sfire> I know its 100% legit
[12:25] <angasule> sfire: not that I can find
[12:25] <runlevelten> If I were injecting evil spyware into a software at version x, on of the first things I'd do is backport it to old versions.
[12:26] <sfire> runlevelten: you can be a little too paranoid ya know
[12:26] <sfire> and ktorrent has a hidden downside
[12:26] <sfire> any 2 bit assho*e can modify the source code
[12:26] <sfire> which is normally good except when you have cheaters
[12:26] <Silent_G> thankz alot sfire
[12:26] <angasule> sfire: ktorrent has a nonhidden downside of being more unstable than win95
[12:27] <sfire> angasule: that too
[12:27] <runlevelten> The makers of the software are actually putting spy facilities into it. To suspect that company's software is not paranoid, it's...
[12:27] <angasule> it crashes when doing /nothing/
[12:27] <runlevelten> compellingly rational.
[12:27] <sfire> and even I can make it put in bad stats.. and I BLOW at programming
[12:27] <dr_willis> I must say that over the last 2weeks or so of running ktorrent, ive not had any issues with it.. Now 6mo  or so ago. I had constant issues withiut
[12:27] <angasule> so, nobody here knows how to add a wiki page?
[12:28] <angasule> dr_willis: just like with windows95, it works fine for some...
[12:28] <runlevelten> How you can use software from an actual malware producer and consider suspicion "paranoid" is a bit worrying tbh, heh
[12:28] <aphonis> is the bcm43xx-fwcutter package in the reps broken for anyone else when they download and try to install it?
[12:28] <dr_willis> angasule,  given the questions i see in here.. that seems to apply to Everything..
[12:28] <dr_willis> :)
[12:28] <angasule> dr_willis: I know like 3 or 4 people who ran windows millennium without issues! :)
[12:28] <runlevelten> angasule: end users without a clue.
[12:28] <dr_willis> angasule,  i tend to use WinME with no hassles.. once i remove all the crud.
[12:29] <angasule> dr_willis: wouldn't that include WinME?
[12:29] <sfire> runlevelten: malware producer?  utorrent.. never in anything I've read (except the cheating versions) but those people deserve it :)
[12:29] <Neil3> utorrent has a nice tetris game easter egg
[12:29] <runlevelten> deserve's got nothing to do with it. Malware producer.
[12:29] <runlevelten> ;)
[12:29] <sfire> runlevelten: then technically microsoft is a malware producer
[12:30] <sfire> and kubuntu
[12:30] <sfire> hehehehe
[12:30] <runlevelten> sfire: absolutely.
[12:30] <dr_willis> sfire,  thats true :)
[12:30] <runlevelten> no
[12:30] <sfire> yes :)
[12:30] <dr_willis> computers are all malware - they suck the life out of us!
[12:30] <dr_willis> Vampireware!
[12:30] <runlevelten> Software that contains secret features to penalise the user *is* malware.
[12:31] <runlevelten> It's hardly a wacky theory. It just is what it is :)
[12:31] <dr_willis> Like games that auto-level-up the monsters to make it harder?
[12:32] <sfire> I have a real problem with open source programs that people use to download on ratio driven sites
[12:32] <sfire> its just way too easy to cheat
[12:32] <runlevelten> Nope. Games enforce game rules. Game rules are what you choose to have, to play enjoyable games.
[12:32] <sfire> I know nothing about programming and I was able to change the source code myself to do several things it wasn't designed to do
[12:32] <sfire> and if I can ANYONE can
[12:33] <runlevelten> """I have a real problem with open source programs that people use to download on ratio driven sites""" Feh.
[12:33] <runlevelten> If it's not Free software, it's crap.
[12:33] <dr_willis> I have a problem with Ratio driven sites..
[12:33] <dr_willis> but the only sites i went to that were that way.. are no longer around.
[12:33] <dr_willis> They went back to IRC.
[12:33] <sfire> never
[12:33] <sfire> :)
[12:33] <sfire> heheheheeh
[12:33] <jussi01> !offtopic
[12:33] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:33] <sfire> ooohhh
[12:33] <Silent_G> sfire,
[12:34] <Silent_G> 1.6 didnt work fine :s
[12:34] <Silent_G> err:ole:CoGetClassObject no class object {304ce942-6e39-40d8-943a-b913c40c9cd4} could be created for context 0x1
[12:34] <sfire> to #kubuntu-offtopic before I get in trouble
[12:34] <jussi01> :)
[12:34] <sfire> Silent_G: did you install wine? (just have to ask)
[12:34] <Silent_G> :O
[12:34] <Silent_G> of course , thats a wine error O_O
[12:34] <sfire> hmmm
[12:35] <sfire> now that is a very first
[12:35] <Silent_G> but on 7.2 it didnt give me that
[12:35] <Silent_G> :S
[12:35] <sfire> I've NEVER seen it not work out of the box
[12:35] <sfire> ooohhhh
[12:35] <sfire> 64bit?
[12:35] <Silent_G> no :S
[12:35] <sfire> hmm
[12:35] <dr_willis> 128bit?
[12:35] <sfire> nope totally got me
[12:35] <dr_willis> :)
[12:35] <Silent_G> cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(tm)  @ 1.10GHz w/ 256 KB L2 Cache] 
[12:35] <sfire> how did you run Torrent
[12:35] <sfire> did you double click on it then associate wine with .exe's ?
[12:36] <Silent_G> no :S
[12:36] <Silent_G> i ran wine from console
[12:36] <runlevelten> nononononno. Don't associate wine with exes!
[12:36] <sfire> did it get through the installer?
[12:36] <sfire> runlevelten: why?
[12:36] <sfire> I've done that for a LONG time
[12:36] <angasule> well, since nobody seems to give a flying goat about this I'll email some kubuntu list somewhere
[12:37] <runlevelten> Because your desktop mime handling will be able to automatically run executables aimed at windows. You want that?
[12:37] <sfire> runlevelten: yes
[12:37] <sfire> well at least I do
[12:37] <runlevelten> Well knock yourself out. I wouldn't advise other people to do it though.
[12:38] <sfire> I would venture to say that most linux people are smart enough not to run something bad
[12:38] <runlevelten> You have no idea what they will and won't run.
[12:38] <Silent_G> hmm
[12:38] <runlevelten> sfire: Not any more.
[12:38] <Silent_G> whats bad with associating wine with exe :O
[12:39] <CaBlGuY> !mediabuntu
[12:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mediabuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:39] <dr_willis> It can tear a hole in the fabric of space time!
[12:39] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> sfire: As someone who accidently removed his "/var/lib/dpkg" directory, you have no idea what someone can or will do when running any type of comupter system.
[12:39] <CaBlGuY> !mediaubuntu
[12:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mediaubuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:39] <runlevelten> dr_willis: Almost anything bad will probably run when you think about it.
[12:39] <CaBlGuY> Hmmm
[12:39] <dr_willis> runlevelten,  ive actually used wine to isntall spy/malware to see what it put where.
[12:39] <dr_willis> :)
[12:39] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> !mediabuntu
[12:40] <runlevelten> dr_willis: haven't we all :)
[12:40] <runlevelten> heh
[12:40] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> !medibuntu
[12:40] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[12:40] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> whoops.
[12:40] <CaBlGuY> there it is..
[12:40] <CaBlGuY> Tanks WhtWolfTeraDyne  ;)
[12:40] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> CaBlGuY: no problem
[12:41] <[Apollo] > Hmm, I need your advice: I'm planning to completely move to Linux, but I want to run Windows (XP or Vista) in a virtual machine, to play games, run programs that aren't available for Linux, install malware, er... nah, forget about the last thing.. anyway, what is a good and FAST virtual machine... WINE is not really a virtual machine, but just tries to execute EXE files, right?
[12:42] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Hmm... Maybe someone should make an Ubuntu liveCD with wine and use it as a research tool for malware\spyware research...
[12:42] <dr_willis> WhtWolfTeraDyne,  thers a slax live cd with wine
[12:42] <dr_willis> the 'kill bill' edition. :)
[12:42] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> [Apollo] : Yeah. It's just a "compatibility layer", as it's called.
[12:43] <runlevelten> wine's masses faster than any virtual machine
[12:43] <[Apollo] > WhtWolfTeraDyne: : Ty, and what virtual machine would you suggest?
[12:43] <sfire> I've use VMware
[12:43] <runlevelten> most VMs will give you virtually zero gaming compatibility or performance
[12:43] <sfire> it works really well
[12:43] <sfire> but never for gamming
[12:43] <[Apollo] > runlevelten: ok, but will WINE work with all games?
[12:44] <runlevelten> Wine is in effect your best/only option for gaming, such as it is.
[12:44] <[Apollo] > does it simulate DirectX, etc?
[12:44] <[Apollo] > ic
[12:44] <runlevelten> [Apollo] : no guarantees, it's a tool for you to try with.
[12:44] <runlevelten> Yes, it does implement a lot of DirectX
[12:44] <[Apollo] > Hmm
[12:45] <[Apollo] > I guess gaming in a virtual machine isn't much of an option then :)
[12:45] <ARM9> Greetings, I'm back from the country of linux and pink ponies.
[12:45] <runlevelten> DirectX 9 has some coverage, some dummy stuff and will run you some games
[12:45] <runlevelten> ie CSS, HL2 etc will work with it
[12:45] <[Apollo] > OK.
[12:45] <runlevelten> Oblivion is being improved, but isn't yet up to scratch.
[12:46] <runlevelten> and btw, if you have an ATi card, beware
[12:46] <[Apollo] > I have a geforce
[12:46] <runlevelten> their drivers are _crap_, and they spoil your efforts to play lots of games with wine
[12:46] <runlevelten> Ah, that's Ok then :)
[12:46] <CaBlGuY> Now..  I got a problem with Gaim not having sound...  I just installed it and it works fine but with no sound..  I got sound for everything else though..  any ideas?
[12:47] <[Apollo] > I could also consider to dual-boot Windows and Linux, but I'd rather prefer to launch Windows in something like a 'sand box'... so that--if malware should ever install itself, it doesn't do any harm, because it's just a virtual machine with no access to the rest.
[12:47] <runlevelten> Well put it this way, if you really love your windows gaming and might want to keep a windows install, then keep one with your fave games on it
[12:48] <Dragnslcr> CaBlGuY- I don't think Gaim 2.0 beta's supported alsa directly, so that might be your problem
[12:48] <runlevelten> and in the end if you later get everything you want on windows, you can free up all that nice disk space
[12:48] <CaBlGuY> Hmmmm
[12:48] <runlevelten> *on linux even
[12:48] <runlevelten> haha
[12:48] <CaBlGuY> I know I've used it plain Ubuntu and sound works fine...
[12:48] <[Apollo] > heh
[12:48] <Dragnslcr> I think I had to set it to use "Command"
[12:49] <CaBlGuY> Just something with Kubuntu that it doesn't like for some reaons..  :/
[12:49] <[Apollo] > the thing is, I'm not that much of a gaming person, the last game I played was SimCity4 and that was a year ago.. but I want to get into it again
[12:49] <[Apollo] > think it might be fun to relax once in a while :)
[12:49] <[Apollo] > playing a good computer game
[12:49] <runlevelten> Well it can't hurt to take the precaution, can it?
[12:49] <[Apollo] > right :)
[12:49] <runlevelten> Myself, I have no windows install. All my personal favourite win games now work on Linux with wine
[12:50] <[Apollo] > what are they, if I might ask--your favorites?
[12:50] <runlevelten> ...with one caveat - I'm still waiting for decent Oblivion support because ATI's closed source drivers are holding it back.
[12:50] <randy> Hey I am behind a router and I need to find out the IP the router gave me so I can foreward some ports. How do I find it?
[12:50] <daedalus__> go on www.ipadresse.de
[12:51] <daedalus__> oh, mistake of mine
[12:51] <randy> i mean like the 192.168.1.xxx
[12:51] <[Apollo] > ifconfig
[12:51] <dr_willis> [Apollo] ,  check out 'freecol' a colonization clone. :P new version came out last week
[12:51] <aldcor> aldcor
[12:51] <[Apollo] > open a terminal and type in 'ifconfig'
[12:51] <[Apollo] > dr_willis: OK ty
[12:52] <randy> thanks :D
[12:52] <runlevelten> Not bang up to date stuff
[12:52] <Dragnslcr> If you like FPS games, Tremulous is pretty good, and it runs native
[12:52] <dr_willis> Tremulous - makes me so dizzy i puke.
[12:52] <dr_willis> :)
[12:52] <runlevelten> I like your Deus Ex, Max Payne, CSS, HL2DM a bit, etc etc
[12:52] <runlevelten> I now mostly play native games
[12:53] <dr_willis> WorldOfPadMan is nice for a bit. RTCW:ET is a classic
[12:53] <runlevelten> Tremulous, True Combat: Elite, Penumbra: Overture was good, etc
[12:53] <randy> penumbra was great
[12:53] <randy> just a tad hard
[12:53] <runlevelten> True Combat: Elite is an Enemy Territory mod, ET is still like the 3rd or so most popular PC FPS around or something
[12:53] <runlevelten> and it's free to download and runs on Linux :)
[12:54] <[Apollo] > Have any of you heard? Starcraft 2 is in development :)
[12:54] <sfire> ET is sweet
[12:54] <runlevelten> I say third, that's on the ones that list the Valve games together mind you
[12:54] <Dragnslcr> dr_willis- I had a girlfriend in college that was the same way. Some people just can't deal with the first-person perspective
[12:54] <runlevelten> I also play the quakes and UTs, all of which are available on Linux
[12:54] <dr_willis> Dragnslcr,  well termulus is nasty because ya got the fish eye view.. AND the wall crawling.. and the speed. :)
[12:55] <aldcor> aldcor
[12:55] <runlevelten> ...and still the odd HL1 mod, they run perfectly in wine
[12:55] <Dragnslcr> Heh, yeah, that makes it worse
[12:55] <dr_willis> I always have to play humans.. and everyone seems to play them
[12:55] <dr_willis> Has Savage2 Been released yet?
[12:55] <runlevelten> TC:E 0.48 was a good bit better than Tremulous
[12:55] <Dragnslcr> Though I very rarely use the wallwalking, since I can't keep any sense of direction
[12:55] <randy> i can do SOME wall walking
[12:55] <runlevelten> I dare say the best FPS I've ever played, although not the prettiest.
[12:55] <randy> but then i get dizzy
[12:55] <dr_willis> Dragnslcr,  i just climb then try to pounce. and die...
[12:55] <runlevelten> 0.49 is prettier but not so good.
[12:55] <Dragnslcr> Heh, it does take some practice
[12:56] <dr_willis> Me and a guy at work just decided... we SUCK at all FPS games...
[12:56] <Dragnslcr> I was involved with Gloom for several years, so I'm slowly getting back into shape
[12:56] <dr_willis> we are just too old and slow.
[12:56] <randy> lol how old are you?
[12:56] <runlevelten> It was *much* better than CS or CSS for me, and I'm hoping that playability will come back.
[12:56] <runlevelten> in a newer version
[12:56] <aldcor> aldcor
[12:57] <dr_willis> 30+ :)
[12:57] <randy> xD
[12:57] <dr_willis> I rember the good old.. Duke Nukem3d Vs Quake Arguments!
[12:58] <randy> lol
[12:58] <Dragnslcr> I remember playing MegaTF in college
[12:58] <CaBlGuY> Duke Nukem baby!!!!:p
[12:58] <randy> i have quake 4 sitting next to me, just havent tried to install it yet
[12:58] <dr_willis> When i was in college.. IRC was 'cutting edge' and AOL wasent around.
[12:58] <dr_willis> :)
[12:58] <pauljw> my 6 yr old daughter loves DNukem
[12:58] <Dragnslcr> Back before home broadband really existed, so my neighbor and I were always yelled at for being LPB's
[12:58] <randy> lol
[12:58] <CaBlGuY> Duke is awsome..
[12:59] <runlevelten> Q4 is actually very good if you get a good setup and fast connections
[12:59] <runlevelten> I'd go as far as to say great.
[12:59] <randy> yea i have a decent connection and a good box
[12:59] <Dragnslcr> Being a Heavy Weapons Guy with a ping of 50 ms rocked
[12:59] <dr_willis> Duke Nukem Manhattan Projexct is a must grab - when ya find it in the bargin bins
[12:59] <runlevelten> I mean multiplayer specifically
[12:59] <randy> yea
[12:59] <randy> brb gonna install it
[01:00] <pauljw> lol
[01:00] <runlevelten> I hope I haven't built randy up too much. You gotta have low expectations from bad reviews to be pleasantly surprised, heh
[01:01] <rjb> aarrrrghh anyone running java applets inside konqueror (feisty)?
[01:01] <Silent_G> sfire, ok now utorrent worked fine on version 7.2
[01:01] <randy> im not gonna expect a ton, im just bored outta my skull lol
[01:01] <sfire> Silent_G: I guess thats the version to use
[01:02] <sfire> Silent_G: I've got that 1.61 running right here right now.. I don't know why it wouldn't work
[01:02] <Silent_G> can someone tell me if i delete a partition and create 2 new partitions , if kubuntu will automatically mount them up in /media ?
[01:02] <aldcor> aldcor
[01:02] <randy> argh the cds seem to have disappeared
[01:02] <sfire> Silent_G: if not its easy to do
[01:02] <Silent_G> how?
[01:02] <sfire> Silent_G: there is a tool in system settings to do it
[01:02] <sfire> under advanced
[01:02] <sfire> all point and click
[01:02] <Silent_G> what is it called?
[01:03] <sfire> Disk & Filesystems
[01:03] <sfire> under System Settings ---> advanced
[01:03] <Silent_G> uh nice
[01:03] <rjb> hello i have an issue concerning konq & java..
[01:03] <armanis> #ubuntu-fr
[01:03] <Silent_G> and is there something to delete and create partitions in kubuntu sfire ?
[01:04] <rjb> in konq's menu under Tools there is a toggle for Java, it keeps switching itself to off:( anyone know of a fix??
[01:04] <randy> so i gotta run this under wine right? just to be sure
[01:05] <rjb> Tools: HTML Settings : Java, actually..
[01:05] <[Apollo] > Is there a better ICQ client than GAIM? It lacks a lot of options other clients have (e.g. Miranda, which unfortunately isn't available for Linux)
[01:05] <CaBlGuY> ok, wudda I need ta install for mp3 playback for amarock?
[01:05] <randy> runlevelten Gotta run under wine yes?
[01:06] <rjb> kopete does ICQ, but i don't, so i can't say how good it is
[01:06] <sfire> Silent_G: I use fdisk
[01:06] <runlevelten> What Q4? No
[01:06] <sfire> Silent_G: its not for the faint of heart though
[01:06] <[Apollo] > rjb: TY
[01:06] <runlevelten> Dowload the Linux installer from id software's site
[01:06] <randy> oh ok
[01:06] <runlevelten> http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/quake4/#head-3c4c85364e6d592c51cab9450d4277ea49cd9119
[01:07] <Dragnslcr> I don't think Kopete will do anything for ICQ that Gaim doesn't
[01:07] <randy> OH! I did hdownload that and completly forgot!
[01:08] <randy> ermm how to use it now?
[01:09] <CaBlGuY> anyone??  mp3 codec for amarok?
[01:10] <CaBlGuY> !amarok mp3
[01:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about amarok mp3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:10] <CaBlGuY> !mp3
[01:10] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:10] <randy> ....my root password isnt working
[01:11] <dr_willis> Hmm..
[01:11] <dr_willis> you made a root password?
[01:11] <randy> yea, im tryin to sudo and its not letting me
[01:11] <dr_willis> you are the 'first' user you created?
[01:12] <Dragnslcr> sudo uses your user password
[01:12] <randy> yea
[01:12] <randy> its not taking it
[01:12] <dr_willis> you dident delet/remake the user?
[01:12] <dr_willis> Sure your caps lock isent on?
[01:12] <randy> its all numbers so caps wont matter
[01:12] <dr_willis> 123456 eh?
[01:12] <dr_willis> :)
[01:12] <randy> nope
[01:12] <randy> but it wont work at all
[01:13] <dr_willis> try from the shell/console?
[01:13] <randy> i keep typing it in and it keeps saying permission denied
[01:13] <randy> thats where im at
[01:13] <dr_willis> Interesting
[01:13] <Dragnslcr> 12345? That's amazing, that's the same combination I have on my luggage!
[01:13] <randy> > randy@randy-desktop:~$ suPassword:su: Authentication failure Sorry.
[01:14] <randy> spaceballs!
[01:14] <Dragnslcr> Not su, sudo
[01:14] <randy> dont they do the same thing?
[01:14] <Dragnslcr> No
[01:14] <dr_willis> aprently not.  :)
[01:14] <dr_willis> or why would there be 2 of them
[01:14] <Dragnslcr> As the name implies "sudo" means "do this command as su"
[01:14] <randy> ok so say I want run a .run file under sudo. How would I do that?
[01:14] <dr_willis> su - switches users, sudo runns a command as a specific user.
[01:15] <dr_willis> sudo whatever.run
[01:15] <Dragnslcr> sudo ./file.run
[01:15] <dr_willis> assumingits executable. (chmod +x)
[01:15] <randy> where do i add that in?
[01:15] <dr_willis> add what?
[01:16] <dr_willis> its a command..
[01:16] <dr_willis> you make a script executable with chmod +x
[01:16] <randy> sudo: chmod+x: command not found
[01:16] <Silent_G> ok, my last question , i have kubuntu installed and i want to install windows on a partition to use it for games (dual boot) , now i know that i should have installed windows firsti because windows remove grub and installs its bootmanager, is there something i can do about it please?
[01:18] <dr_willis> Silent_G,  learn how to restore grub
[01:18] <dr_willis> :)
[01:18] <dr_willis> randy,  you MIGHT want to go read a few bash tutorialsm, and beginners guides.
[01:18] <Silent_G> dr_willis, can you tell me how ? :S
[01:18] <dr_willis> its  'chmod +x whatever.run'    +x is the option to the chmod command.
[01:18] <runlevelten> chmod +x filname
[01:18] <dr_willis> Silent_G,  read the !grub factoid :)
[01:18] <dr_willis> !grub
[01:18] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:19] <randy> ohhh i tried running it with it all together
[01:19] <dr_willis> Silent_G,  boot live cd, chroot over to isbntalled system, run update grub. :)
[01:19] <dr_willis> randy,  this aint dos. :)
[01:19] <randy> lol
[01:19] <dr_willis> i always rember the LAZY habbits taught in dos class
[01:19] <randy> i might just the chmod+x
[01:19] <dr_willis>  cd/c: or simthing like that
[01:20] <dr_willis> learn to use spaces ya foo! ;)
[01:20] <dr_willis> and dont just 'exit' the editor and expect it ti ask to save! save your work. :)
[01:20] <dr_willis> My dos teacher hated me.
[01:21] <runlevelten> I remember teaching my "computer studies" how to use the fricking computers properly in the breaktimes
[01:21] <runlevelten> that man was such a fraud.
[01:21] <runlevelten> Still, I got to play with the computers when i wanted \o/
[01:22] <runlevelten> "computer studies" teacher even
[01:22] <sfire> sounds like #kubuntu-offtopic speak :)
[01:22] <ubuntu> Moin
[01:23] <randy> argh! ok my quake 4 crashed and now its like im zoomed in
[01:23] <randy> i can scroll around by putting the mouse on the edge of the screen, how do i fix that?
[01:23] <runlevelten> crashed? eeks
[01:23] <runlevelten> alt f2 krandrtray
[01:23] <dr_willis> randy,  i run that kxrand tool to let me fix that
[01:23] <dr_willis> yea thatsit
[01:23] <Ripmaster> Hey i have installed kubuntu off my pc ... and now i will play Counterstrike ^^ can evrybody help me ?
[01:23] <runlevelten> randy, press alt+f2 and run krandrtray
[01:24] <randy> ...nothings happening
[01:24] <runlevelten> try ctrl + and ctrl -
[01:24] <runlevelten> to switch your res up and down
[01:24] <dr_willis> alt-ctrl NUMPAD + and -
[01:24] <runlevelten> sorry, ctrl, alt +
[01:25] <runlevelten> I have noses for fingers and no blood sugar :(
[01:25] <randy> there we go
[01:26] <runlevelten> I find I have to set my video ram and stuff for d3/q4
[01:27] <randy> lemme pastebin the error i got
[01:27] <runlevelten> My run script contains quake4 +set sys_videoRam 128 +set s_driver "oss" +set s_numberOfSpeakers 2 +set com_allowConsole 1
[01:28] <runlevelten> obviously you'd need to be specific about how many megs of video ram you have, etc :)
[01:28] <randy> http://pastebin.com/m599e7341
[01:29] <[Apollo] > stupid question: how can I get the IP address of a name like *.lutn.cable.ntl.com? whois doesn't work...
[01:29] <redshadowhero> uh, ping?
[01:30] <stoned> nslookup
[01:30] <runlevelten> randy, you did follow the installation instructions, right?
[01:30] <runlevelten> You copied the pk4 files over...
[01:30] <[Apollo] > oh ty
[01:30] <randy> >_>
[01:30] <randy> ahem... must have missed that
[01:30] <stoned> do I make you randy baby, yea
[01:30] <runlevelten> heh.
[01:30] <stoned> Austin Freakin Powers man
[01:30] <stoned> :D
[01:31] <runlevelten> http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/quake4/#head-e04497d924255ed5c7b935df069012048519d22d
[01:31] <stoned> oh shoot, I just rolled one up and now I can't find it
[01:31] <stoned> :(
[01:31] <runlevelten> Mind's going man.
[01:32] <radioaktivstorm> hello, is there any way that i can have 1 row of open programs without shrinking the panel to unacceptably small sizes?
[01:34] <randy> runlevelten, okay i found the packs on the cds, how do i copy them to the folder? It says I dont have the access to do that
[01:35] <dr_willis> use the power of sudo
[01:35] <dr_willis> :)
[01:35] <runlevelten> You'll need superuser privs to copy stuff to /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base
[01:36] <runlevelten> You have CDs?
[01:36] <randy> yea i have the cds
[01:36] <runlevelten> I assume the pk4 files are still in Setup/Data/q4base on the CDs?
[01:37] <randy> Si
[01:38] <[Apollo] > for anyone who is interested: I may have found a good icq client: http://www.licq.org
[01:38] <dr_willis> I dont think there is such a thing. :)
[01:38] <runlevelten> so you navigate to the folder that contains the pk4 on the cds, then press F4 to open a terminal in it
[01:39] <randy> k got that open
[01:39] <[Apollo] > dr_willis: such a thing as? a good ICQ client? :)
[01:39] <runlevelten> right, press ls, and you should be able to see one of the files on the list at the q4 site, yeah?
[01:39] <redshadowhero> is there a way to enable mp3 support in amarock?
[01:39] <runlevelten> type ls even
[01:40] <randy> yea
[01:40] <dr_willis> redshadowhero,  install the proper packages. the auto install of them is broken i recall
[01:40] <dr_willis> !amarock
[01:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about amarock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:40] <randy> !mp3
[01:40] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:40] <dr_willis> someone needs tomake a bot factoid for that.
[01:40] <dr_willis> I never can rember the package name
[01:40] <redshadowhero> hmm
[01:40] <runlevelten> you type the following, replacing ##### with the name of the pk4 file:
[01:40] <redshadowhero> alright, thanks.
[01:40] <randy> kay
[01:41] <runlevelten> sudo cp ##### /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/
[01:41] <randy> i was tryin to do it through the graphical folders
[01:41] <runlevelten> you could do if you wanted to, I avoided that for a reason
[01:41] <dr_willis> randy,  come over to the shell side! embrace the shell! belive in Bash!
[01:41] <dr_willis> :)
[01:41] <randy> xD
[01:42] <dr_willis> carress the console!
[01:42] <runlevelten> heh
[01:42] <redshadowhero> how do you do that?
[01:42] <randy> type /me then the action
[01:42] <runlevelten> right, done that?
[01:42] <randy> workin on it
[01:42] <runlevelten> okey dokie :)
[01:42] <redshadowhero> alright
[01:42] <redshadowhero> figured that out.
[01:42] <redshadowhero> thanks
[01:42] <redshadowhero> I don't know much about irc, sorry.
[01:43] <runlevelten> by the way, while you're typing a filename, you can press tab and it will autocomplete it
[01:43] <runlevelten> if it's in the current "folder" :)
[01:43] <dr_willis> ack! folder! hurst us....! we belive in the directory!
[01:43] <dr_willis> :)
[01:43] <dr_willis> bow down to the directory!
[01:43] <intelikey> inode
[01:44] <randy> XD when i finished that command and put in my password everything on my computer started to sound like a jet engine
[01:44] <dr_willis> Gotta love idiot-firendly-izing things that makes pcs more confusing.
[01:44] <dr_willis> frindly-izing. :)
[01:44] <runlevelten> you'll know when it's finished, because the prompt will come back :)
[01:44] <randy> XD yea
[01:44] <randy> workin on em again
[01:45] <runlevelten> Right, any other files in the list in that directory?
[01:45] <runlevelten> (press ls to see)
[01:45] <intelikey> but if you make it idiot proff they will just make a better idiot....  how do you think i got here
[01:45] <randy> im still workin on the 2nd one lol
[01:45] <runlevelten> (type ls to see even)
[01:45] <runlevelten> yay :D
[01:45] <redshadowhero> well, I don't care for windows myself. It isn't idiot-proof at all.
[01:46] <dr_willis> actually its 'attempted at idiot proofing' :)
[01:46] <runlevelten> redshadowhero: I agree -idiots are escaping from it all the time xD
[01:46] <dr_willis> linux is more of a 'educate the users so they are not idiots' :)
[01:46] <redshadowhero> runlevelten: Don't I know it... I 'escaped' in 1999 when the gettin' was good.
[01:46] <soapee01> I added my wife as a user, and she's unable to unmount media devices.  The error I'm getting is: "
[01:46] <soapee01> Unfortunately, the device system:/media/sde1 (/dev/sde1) named '65M Removable
[01:46] <soapee01> Media' and currently mounted at /media/disk could not be unmounted.
[01:46] <soapee01> Unmounting failed due to the following error:
[01:46] <soapee01> hal-storage-can-unmount-volumes-mounted-by-others refused uid 1001"  Can anyone help?
[01:46] <intelikey> except ubuntu dr_willis
[01:47] <runlevelten> !pastebin | soapee01
[01:47] <ubotu> soapee01: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:47] <soapee01> runlevelten: sorry.
[01:47] <intelikey> soapee01 sudo eject it
[01:48] <adam_> power-management problems :(, I left my laptop on suspend for awhile till the battery ran out, when i turn it back on the kde-guidance powermanager doesn't seem to work properly anymore. It keeps saying i have no battery inserted when I do and flashing "AC adapter plugged in" messages every 10 seconds...
[01:48] <soapee01> intelikey: She's in every group I'm in except admin (so no sudo for her... far too dangerous).
[01:48] <runlevelten> randy: you'll want to close that terminal before ejecting the disk :)
[01:48] <randy> ok
[01:48] <randy> ejecting
[01:48] <intelikey> soapee01 then try without sudo
[01:49] <ripmaster_> hi
[01:49] <runlevelten> How far in are you randy?
[01:49] <ripmaster_> Wie kan ich meine windows Platten mounten ?
[01:49] <adam_> I've tried removing it, reinstalling it dpkg-reconfigure'ing it, booting into live discs, everything short of reinstalling kubuntu (which i really don't want to have to do)
[01:49] <randy> I gotta find cd 2, coulda swore i had it
[01:50] <randy> i have 1 3 and 4 nxet to me
[01:50] <randy> so 2 has gotta be close
[01:50] <runlevelten> randy: typical :)
[01:50] <dr_willis> its under the sofa
[01:50] <dr_willis> :)
[01:50] <soapee01> intelikey: umount complains about her not being root (even though she mounted the device in KDE).  The CLI also has a very low WAF, so I'd like for kde to behave.
[01:51] <randy> gah! it was sitting on my leg
[01:52] <redshadowhero> I hate it when that happens.
[01:52] <intelikey> soapee01 waf ?
[01:52] <adam_> has anyone else had problems with powermanagement on their laptop after letting it run out of battery while on suspend?
[01:53] <soapee01> intelikey: wife acceptance factor
[01:53] <randy> runlevelten: now it wont let me access the cd -_- "Unable to enter file:///media/cdrom0. YOu do not have access rights to this location.
[01:54] <root_> does anyone know the command to start x from the console with KDE as the environment instead of Gnone if Gnome is the default?
[01:54] <root_> Gnome*
[01:54] <runlevelten> you ejected it and put the next one in right?
[01:54] <randy> ya
[01:54] <randy> it wont let me access cd 2
[01:54] <runlevelten> open a terminal
[01:55] <randy> ok
[01:55] <runlevelten> do this: cd /media && ls
[01:55] <runlevelten> you can see your cd drive right?
[01:55] <randy> cdrom and cdrom0
[01:56] <illriginal> Hey guys, how do I find my DNS address?
[01:56] <runlevelten> cd cdrom && ls
[01:56] <runlevelten> it's your quake disk right?
[01:56] <randy> yea
[01:56] <dr_willis> illriginal,  i thinkits saved in /etc/resolov (or somthing spelt like that)
[01:56] <randy> bash: cd: cdrom: Permission denied
[01:56] <dr_willis> cat /etc/resolv.conf
[01:56] <randy> same with cdrom0
[01:56] <intelikey> soapee01 i guess you could do a    chmod 4755 /usr/bin/eject      might fix that issue in kde...  no promices about it though
[01:57] <redshadowhero> illriginal: I think the command is dig
[01:57] <runlevelten> tru sudo cd cdrom
[01:57] <runlevelten> *try sudo cd cdrom
[01:57] <randy> sudo: cd: command not found
[01:58] <soapee01> intelikey eject is already 755.  Something is messed up in HAL somewhere, but I'm not sure how ubuntu handles this.
[01:58] <runlevelten> Oy yeah, haha
[01:58] <intelikey> soapee01 i didn't say 755
[01:58] <randy> eh?
[01:59] <soapee01> intelikey: I understand, but I seriously dislike su stickys.
[01:59] <soapee01> intelikey, there's some other bug here.
[01:59] <runlevelten> can you type mount | grep cdrom
[01:59] <runlevelten> and see whether it says user=youruser
[02:00] <pyro> somebody please help me, i installed fglrx and compiz using adept manager, but when i go to load kubuntu my monitor says out of range and wont turn on the video to login to kubuntu!
[02:00] <randy>  /dev/hdc on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=randy)
[02:00] <intelikey> you don't dislike suid as much as i do    my whole system is nosuid
[02:00] <stoned> out of range scan
[02:01] <root_> hey
[02:01] <pyro> out of range scan?
[02:01] <Gwall> can someone help me
[02:01] <Gwall> i cant root permissions i think
[02:01] <adam__> does anyone know how to fix problems with powermanagement on their laptop after letting it run out of battery while on suspend?
[02:01] <intelikey> Gwall sudo echo boo
[02:02] <Gwall> thx
[02:02] <stoned> pyro: if that is all you did, then you can check.  sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change fglrx to vesa or some other driver you know works.  Try again.  If it works then the problem is there.  If not, and it still goes out of scan, then maybe you can install discover and read-edid and try to see if dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will generate your modelines or detect horiz/vert frequencies.
[02:02] <Gwall> lol intelikey it just said boo
[02:02] <stoned> pyro: if you modify your xorg.conf by hand, pleaes follow the comments in the top of the file
[02:02] <intelikey> Gwall then you have root access
[02:02] <Gwall> ah good
[02:03] <Gwall> but intelikey
[02:03] <pyro> i cant login to kubuntu....
[02:03] <Gwall> ./run.sh: 1: /root/Desktop/neXus16.4/./jars/regexp.jar: Permission denied
[02:03] <Gwall> ./run.sh: 1: /root/Desktop/neXus16.4/./jars/nexus-l.jar: Permission denied
[02:03] <pyro> its just out of range and sits there
[02:03] <Gwall> it doesnt give me permission to run .jar files
[02:03] <stoned> why are you running stuff as root to begin with
[02:03] <Gwall> because it wont give me permission
[02:03] <stoned> something wrong with you?
[02:03] <Gwall> to run
[02:03] <pyro> gwall try sudo?
[02:03] <Gwall> i did
[02:03] <intelikey> Gwall no.   sh run.sh              or if you need root  sudo sh run.sh
[02:04] <Gwall> ok
[02:04] <pyro> i dont see sudo in any part of that command
[02:04] <randy> i think runlevelten has abbandoned me! *sob*
[02:04] <intelikey> pyro that's not the error.
[02:04] <stoned> doesn't matter if you use suc -c or sudo or as root
[02:04] <Gwall> intelikey:
[02:04] <Gwall> that still wont work
[02:04] <Gwall> i just get permission denied errors
[02:04] <stoned> if you know what you're doing, and if you don't stick to sudo
[02:04] <stoned> Gwall: what are you trying to do
[02:04] <BluesKaj> pyro , stoned , the prob isn't always the graphics card , sometimes if the right monitor drivers aren't installed the monitor can be out of range very easily ...it happened to me
[02:04] <Gwall> i got a java program
[02:04] <stoned> I'm sorry I jumped in the middle of it
[02:04] <intelikey> Gwall show me the command you used
[02:05] <stoned> BluesKaj: monitor drivers in linux?
[02:05] <Schuenemann> hey, where are my fonts?
[02:05] <Schuenemann> kubuntu fonts
[02:05] <Gwall> i did chmod on the .sh file intelikey
[02:05] <BluesKaj> yup
[02:05] <Gwall> and then i did
[02:05] <Gwall> sudo ./run.sh
[02:05] <stoned> Schuenemann: /usr/share/fonts
[02:05] <pyro> so how do i remove the video drivers for my ati card without being able to login to kubuntu?
[02:05] <intelikey> Gwall that's not what i said.       sudo sh run.sh
[02:05] <rl10> right.
[02:05] <rl10> arg
[02:05] <Schuenemann> stoned, thanks, brother
[02:05] <Gwall> i did that aswell intelikey
[02:06] <stoned> Schuenemann: whats the problem?
[02:06] <stoned> if there is one
[02:06] <Gwall> still same error
[02:06] <intelikey> show me the error message Gwall
[02:06] <Gwall> run.sh: 1: /root/Desktop/neXus16.4/./jars/tools.jar: Permission denied
[02:06] <Gwall> run.sh: 1: /root/Desktop/neXus16.4/./jars/regexp.jar: Permission
[02:06] <BluesKaj> pyro , rtry to setup yor monitor first, :in the k-menu/system settings/monitor&display/hardware/administrator mode/configure graphics card or monitor , or both...from the drop down list find the approprite driver for the hardware, choose the driver, and click 'apply'
[02:06] <stoned> Gwall: /root/Desktop/neXus16.4/./jars/regexp.jar
[02:06] <stoned> Gwall: there is NO directory called .
[02:06] <runlevlelten> arg
[02:06] <pyro> blueskaj
[02:06] <stoned> at least usable
[02:06] <pyro> did i just say i cannot even get into kubuntu?
[02:06] <Gwall> oh
[02:06] <runlevlelten> randy: you get into it?
[02:06] <stoned> . is current, .. == parent
[02:06] <Gwall> how do i make it useable ?
[02:07] <stoned> you can't
[02:07] <randy> no :(
[02:07] <Schuenemann> stoned, I needed to know where the fonts were for blender
[02:07] <ARM9> Anyone else got the latest issue of linux format?
[02:07] <intelikey> Gwall ok that's an error in the script you are running.  nothing to do with the command you issued
[02:07] <randy> keeps saying permission denied
[02:07] <stoned> the program code is errenous
[02:07] <Gwall> but it isnt
[02:07] <stoned> Schuenemann: ok :)
[02:07] <runlevlelten> are you in /media?
[02:07] <Gwall> other people can run the same file
[02:07] <runlevlelten> in that shell?
[02:07] <randy> i tried graphical and shell
[02:07] <runlevlelten> try this:
[02:07] <BluesKaj> oh sorry pyro, din't know ... i know that feeling too
[02:08] <stoned> Gwall: /root/Desktop/neXus16.4/./jars/regexp.jar this file exists
[02:08] <stoned> ?
[02:08] <Schuenemann> if it's a java program, why do you need .sh ?
[02:08] <stoned> its a shell script that launches a fwe jar files
[02:08] <runlevlelten> sudo mount -o remount,ro,users  /media/cdrom0
[02:08] <Schuenemann> ah...
 Gwall: there is NO directory called .  <<<< sure there is.
[02:08] <randy> then try accessing it?
[02:08] <Schuenemann> isn't there a main jar file?
[02:08] <runlevlelten> yeah
[02:09] <stoned> stoned> . is current, .. == parent
[02:09] <intelikey> ls /usr/./
[02:09] <intelikey> ls /usr/games/./
[02:09] <stoned> yes
[02:10] <stoned> should I repeat myself?
[02:10] <Gwall> stoned:
[02:10] <Gwall> yes the file exists
[02:10] <randy> <randy@randy-desktop:~$  sudo mount -o> <remount,ro,users  /media/cdrom0> <randy@randy-desktop:~$ cd /media/cdrom0>< bash: cd: /media/cdrom0: Permission denied>
[02:10] <intelikey> ls /./usr/./games/./    :)
[02:10] <stoned> intelikey: refer to my last paste
[02:10] <runlevlelten> randy, do this please:
[02:10] <runlevlelten> mount | grep cdrom0
[02:11] <runlevlelten> and pastebin it pls :)
[02:11] <stoned> Gwall: have you tried to run the program as a user, in ~
[02:11] <runlevlelten> !pastebin
[02:11] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:11] <Gwall> yup stoned
[02:11] <Gwall> i did that first
[02:11] <stoned> Gwall: why are you unpacking it to /root?
[02:11] <Gwall> i wasnt before
[02:11] <pyro> WOOT i got into it, used ctrl+alt+backspace lolz
[02:11] <Gwall> i just did it now because as user it didnt work
[02:11] <stoned> Gwall: and have you checked the file permissions?
[02:11] <Gwall> uhu
[02:11] <stoned> mabe you yourself can't access it?
[02:11] <Gwall> chmod on the file
[02:11] <stoned> chmod 755 or 775?
[02:12] <stoned> hell 777 it and try again
[02:12] <Gwall> chmod +x
[02:12] <stoned> shouldn' thave to
[02:12] <randy> http://pastebin.com/d60673089
[02:12] <stoned> x == executable
[02:12] <intelikey> chmod 7777 blah
[02:12] <Schuenemann> doesn't this java program have a jar file?
[02:12] <Schuenemann> a main jar file
[02:12] <intelikey> :)
[02:12] <Schuenemann> Gwall, how did you get the program?
[02:12] <pyro> can someone tell me if there is a way to wipe out kubuntu and just start fresh?
[02:12] <Gwall> its a project
[02:12] <Gwall> friends working on
[02:12] <stoned> intelikey: like I said, shouldn't have to, since hes not editing it, but whatever
[02:12] <Gwall> and it works for others just wont work for me
[02:12] <stoned> pyro: sudo aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop
[02:12] <runlevlelten> ok, and ls -la  /media/cdrom0
[02:13] <Schuenemann> and how is the project? is it just a file?
[02:13] <Gwall> no Schuenemann
[02:13] <Gwall> its lots of files
[02:13] <Schuenemann> in a single jar one?
[02:13] <randy> permission denied
[02:13] <intelikey> pyro not an easy way
[02:13] <Gwall> no
[02:13] <stoned> aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a
[02:13] <Schuenemann> hmm =/
[02:13] <Gwall> i have about 12 jars
[02:13] <stoned> in fact
[02:13] <soapee01> pyro: sudo rm -rf /
[02:13] <runlevlelten> ls -la  /media will be alright
[02:13] <soapee01> pyro: that will kill everything
[02:13] <olivier> Hello
[02:13] <stoned> pyro: aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kubuntu-desktop
[02:13] <soapee01> pyro: including data (on mounted drives as well)
[02:13] <intelikey> pyro you can use a for loop and wipe out all non-essential packages    but that's not for most people
[02:14] <randy> yea the ls -la /media works
[02:14] <olivier> Hello All! I'm new to Linux (Kubuntu)
[02:14] <aldcor> aldcor
[02:14] <runlevlelten> pastebin the ouput....
[02:14] <stoned> pyro: and then sudo aptitude install deborphan && sudo apt-get --purge remove `deborphan`
[02:14] <pyro> ?
[02:14] <intelikey> yeah me too
[02:14] <randy> http://pastebin.com/d4ab5a5c2
[02:15] <stoned> I just told you how to remove kde/kubuntu and start fresh.
[02:15] <pyro> so what do i do to just take out all the crap and start over with a fresh kubuntu install?
[02:15] <stoned> thats what you asked right?
[02:15] <pyro> yes
[02:15] <intelikey> pyro just install fresh
[02:15] <Schuenemann> stoned, how do I find out if I have a specific font? too much folders
[02:15] <stoned> I won't repeat myself again
[02:15] <stoned> !info fresh
[02:15] <ubotu> Package fresh does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:15] <stoned> !info fresh dapper
[02:16] <ubotu> Package fresh does not exist in dapper
[02:16] <stoned> intelikey: what is fresh?
[02:16] <NightBird> stoned: what you are after you have a shower?
[02:16] <stoned> NightBird: what?
[02:16] <BluesKaj> pyro, are you at the prompt ?
 so what do i do to just take out all the crap and start over with a fresh kubuntu install?    <intelikey> pyro just install fresh   <<<
[02:16] <runlevlelten> try sudo chmod 555 /media/cdrom0
[02:16] <stoned> intelikey: oh
[02:16] <stoned> that fresh :)
[02:17] <NightBird> stoned: it was a bad pun
[02:17] <stoned> I thought it was some package that did some stuff
[02:17] <stoned> lol
[02:17] <intelikey> you can't chmod anything on an fs that doesn't have permissions bits
[02:17] <randy> ok i got chmod: changing permissions of `/media/cdrom0': Read-only file system
[02:17] <runlevlelten> very unusual problem, btw :)
[02:17] <stoned> dude man
[02:17] <randy> haha i hope youre learning from this
[02:17] <stoned> you can't write to a disc like that
[02:17] <randy> oops forgot pastebin >_>
[02:17] <NightBird> next time I reinstall kubuntu I'm going to make a seperate /home and /var directory...
[02:17] <NightBird> er...
[02:17] <NightBird> not directory, partition
[02:17] <intelikey> runlevlelten chmod cdrom ????
[02:18] <stoned> you just thought about it now?
[02:18] <stoned> :)
[02:18] <Schuenemann> how can I know if I have a specific font? There are too many folders in /usr/share/fonts
[02:18] <runlevlelten> try sudo eject, then sudo chmod 555 /media/cdrom0
[02:18] <intelikey> Schuenemann find
[02:18] <Schuenemann> intelikey, manually?
[02:18] <stoned> you can however use dd if=/dev/cdrom of=~/cdrom.iso and then mount -t iso9660 rw
[02:18] <runlevlelten> sorry, heh
[02:18] <stoned> but you can't edit a freakin cd man
[02:18] <stoned> c'mon
[02:18] <stoned> :)
[02:18] <BluesKaj> poor pyro, he's in stew with too many cooks stirring the pot :)
[02:19] <randy> then try mounting again?
[02:19] <intelikey> Schuenemann yeah.   find /base/dir/ -iname <string to search for?
[02:19] <intelikey> Schuenemann yeah.   find /base/dir/ -iname <string to search for>
[02:19] <runlevlelten> yeah
[02:19] <Schuenemann> is that recursive?
[02:19] <intelikey> Schuenemann yeah.
[02:19] <stoned> why? when you can setup updatedb to keep your stuff updated and use locate
[02:19] <stoned> find is a bit cryptic for newbies
[02:19] <aldcor> aldcor
[02:20] <randy> im gonna rip out my hair! permission denied!
[02:20] <intelikey> Schuenemann use  *string*     so it doesn't have to be an exact match
[02:20] <Schuenemann> intelikey, find . -iname *copper* ?
[02:20] <intelikey> yep
[02:20] <stoned> can't expect newbies to know regex
[02:20] <aldcor> aldcor
[02:20] <runlevlelten> Don't worry, rather expected that, just checking for something specific
[02:20] <randy> lemme try cd three
[02:20] <intelikey> may need   ./
[02:20] <stoned> Schuenemann: you're the first smart guy i came across in any buntu channel
[02:20] <stoned> everyone else wants to be spoonfed
[02:20] <stoned> its sad
[02:20] <intelikey> find can be choosy about the trailing /
[02:20] <Schuenemann> stone, excuse me?
[02:21] <Schuenemann> intelikey, it found using '.' only
[02:21] <intelikey> k
[02:21] <Schuenemann> well, not what I was looking for heh
[02:21] <Schuenemann> thanks
[02:21] <stoned> Schuenemann: you are unable to accept compliments?
[02:21] <randy> ok cd three wont work either, so its not the cd
[02:21] <mordaunt> wait a minute
[02:21] <mordaunt> are you saying i'm dumb?
[02:21] <mordaunt> o_O
[02:21] <Schuenemann> stoned, I didn't understand well
[02:22] <stoned> I'm not saying anything besides what was said.  Your perception of it, is just that, _your_ perception :)
[02:22] <Schuenemann> why am I smart... and why the first one? :-p
[02:22] <Chousuke> :P
[02:22] <BluesKaj> yrs ago stoned used to mean drunk
[02:22] <stoned> Schuenemann: umm
[02:22] <randy> stoned was also a way to die lol
[02:22] <mordaunt> lol
[02:23] <stoned> stoned means in honor to Prophet Muhammad
[02:23] <[Apollo] > give drugs no chance :D
[02:23] <runlevlelten> right you've remounted normally, can you pastebin  ls -la  /media again pls?
[02:23] <BluesKaj> yeah from liver didease
[02:23] <BluesKaj> disease
[02:23] <stoned> he was stoned bloody and beaten in the mountain cities around Yethreb
[02:23] <runlevlelten> This music is good \o/
[02:23] <stoned> when he was preaching to the non belieers
[02:23] <stoned> stoned is my nickname in honor to my prophet
[02:23] <Chousuke> runlevlelten: is your nickname typoed? :P
[02:23] <mordaunt> whoa man
[02:23] <mordaunt> just... whoa
[02:23] <runlevlelten> Chousuke: Yes.
[02:23] <[Apollo] > is kunbuntu exactly the same as ubuntu just with KDE? does it have the same updates, programs, functionality etc?
[02:24] <Daisuke_Ido> nobody throws a stone until i say "go"
[02:24] <randy> http://pastebin.com/d17a8aa6d
[02:24] <[Apollo] > ok, that was a noobish question, but that's what I am, a noob
[02:24] <root_> is there anyway to edit the KDE control ceneter without being in the KDE environment?
[02:24] <runlevlelten> and can you pastebin /etc/fstab pls?
[02:24] <Schuenemann> [Apollo] , the default programs are generally different
[02:24] <runlevlelten> sorry, cat /etc/fstab
[02:24] <stoned> root_: sure.  but please dont' irc as root
[02:24] <stoned> root_: also, aptitude install kcontrol && kcrontrol
[02:24] <stoned> kcontrol*
[02:25] <randy> http://pastebin.com/d79dc01d3
[02:25] <[Apollo] > Schuenemann: but are there any disadvantages to using kubuntu?
[02:25] <Chousuke> [Apollo] : The exact difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu is that in Kubuntu, kubuntu-desktop is installed by default; in ubuntu, it's ubuntu-desktop
[02:25] <[Apollo] > Chousuke: That's it?
[02:25] <stoned> the difference is that Qt > Gtk+/2
[02:25] <stoned> ok?
[02:25] <Schuenemann> [Apollo] , some people prefer KDE, others GNOME. And there are freaks that like fluxbox
[02:25] <Chousuke> [Apollo] : yes.
[02:25] <stoned> :D
[02:25] <stoned> Qt FTW!
[02:25] <notroot_> stoned: is that better...i'm in recovery mode...i turned on translucency in kubunty feisty and it shit the bed
[02:25] <[Apollo] > and can I use KDE with ubuntu?
[02:25] <stoned> down with gtk!
[02:25] <[Apollo] > without having to install kubuntu
[02:26] <intelikey> [Apollo]  no.  all that each meta package *buntu-desktop depends on is different.
[02:26] <[Apollo] > oic, well ty
[02:26] <Chousuke> [Apollo] : yes.
[02:26] <stoned> notroot_: mind your language
[02:26] <[Apollo] > what now? :D
[02:26] <intelikey> <[Apollo] > and can I use KDE with ubuntu? << yes
[02:26] <[Apollo] > oh
[02:26] <[Apollo] > ok
[02:26] <[Apollo] > ty
[02:26] <[Apollo] > @all
[02:26] <notroot_> stoned: sorry...i'm just frustrated
[02:26] <Daisuke_Ido> fluxbox lovers aren't freaks...  Enlightenment users are freaks.
[02:26] <stoned> notroot_: then don't do that.
[02:26] <Chousuke> :P
[02:27] <stoned> notroot_: could you be a bit more specific about what went wrong?
[02:27] <intelikey> [Apollo]  sorry if my post was confusing, i lag just a little.
[02:27] <notroot_> stoned: is there a file i can edit to turn off kubuntu tranlucencies?
[02:27] <[Apollo] > np... :) can someone explain to me how I can install KDE then and use it as the default GUI? just "sudo apt-get install kde"?
[02:27] <Chousuke> [Apollo] : yeah
[02:27] <runlevlelten> right, unmount it again and do chown root:root /media/cdrom0
[02:27] <[Apollo] > Will it be the default GUI then?
[02:27] <intelikey> [Apollo]  install   kde
[02:27] <Chousuke> [Apollo] : then, select teh kubuntu session from GSM
[02:27] <runlevlelten> obviously with sudo
[02:27] <Chousuke> GDM
[02:27] <Schuenemann> you'll have the option to choose when it's installed
[02:27] <stoned> notroot_: no
[02:28] <[Apollo] > ok, I'll try, thank you all
[02:28] <redshadowhero> !wine
[02:28] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[02:28] <Daisuke_Ido> i would like to figure out why cd/dvds aren't automounting anymore :\
[02:28] <redshadowhero> wow... that works...
[02:28] <redshadowhero> I didn't expect that.
[02:28] <Daisuke_Ido> !windows
[02:28] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[02:28] <Schuenemann> heheh
[02:28] <stoned> !info pmount
[02:28] <ubotu> pmount: mount removable devices as normal user. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.13-1build1 (feisty), package size 39 kB, installed size 588 kB
[02:28] <[Apollo] > lol
[02:28] <randy> runlevleten operatin not permitted
[02:28] <runlevlelten> sudo chown root:root /media/cdrom0
[02:29] <redshadowhero> hmmm
[02:29] <redshadowhero> !apple
[02:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apple - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:29] <notroot_> stoned: i turned on translucencies in the KDE control center and restarted the session and when it logged back into x windows my center display did not show anything but the cursor and my 2 secoundary display only showed the background with tranlucent apps in the background that were unusable
[02:29] <randy> okay did that mount again
[02:29] <redshadowhero> !mac
[02:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mac - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:29] <redshadowhero> I guess that doesn't have anything funny...
[02:29] <Schuenemann> !botabuse | redshadowhero
[02:29] <ubotu> redshadowhero: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[02:29] <aka_dennister> hey ppl; anyone familiar with kubuntu *and* gentoo available for private chat?
[02:29] <runlevlelten> yeah
[02:29] <mordaunt> notroot_:  look for files that changed in your .kde
[02:29] <stoned> Daisuke_Ido: kcontrol > peripherals > storage media
[02:29] <runlevlelten> just by inserting the disk
[02:29] <intelikey> runlevlelten if /media/cdrom0 is a mount point (and it is)  and there is something mounted there (?)  you probably can't chown or chmod it.
[02:30] <[Apollo] > So, not all programs that use GNOME can work under KDE, right? So sometimes I'll have to use different programs for the same thing depending on which GUI I use?
[02:30] <redshadowhero> schuenemann: sorry...
[02:30] <Chousuke> aka_dennister: You'd have more success if you just stated your question
[02:30] <Schuenemann> redshadowhero, =)
[02:30] <randy> still no access rights.... Should I try restarting?
[02:30] <Daisuke_Ido> stoned: i'm instinctively distrustful of any kde disk utilities.  the disk and partitions manager actually tried to give me swap space a mount point >:|
[02:30] <intelikey> randy can i ask a few details first
[02:30] <stoned> IF you have enough ram, its ok to load gtk2 apps alongside qt apps, as ram is enough to keep both gui toolkit libs in memory and not page
[02:30] <aka_dennister> Chousuke: i don't want to be rude, discussing another distro in this channel
[02:31] <randy> Sure
[02:31] <stoned> IF you have 1gb or ram, you can do it fine
[02:31] <Schuenemann> [Apollo] , you can
[02:31] <intelikey> randy what exactly is the issue?
[02:31] <stoned> if you have 512 ram, system will lag a bit due to two gui toolkit libs in memory
[02:31] <mordaunt> aka_dennister: as long as the other distro sucks it's ok
[02:31] <mordaunt> =)
[02:31] <randy> Cant get permission to my cdrom drive
[02:31] <runlevlelten> I'm just wondering where the 400:401 comes from.
[02:31] <Schuenemann> [Apollo] , but generally, if you're using gnome, you like its programs
[02:31] <intelikey> randy ok is it mounted ?
[02:31] <stoned> randy: permission to do what
[02:31] <randy> I want to copy some files off of it to a folder but I cant even access it
[02:31] <Chousuke> aka_dennister: If the question also involves kubuntu, then it's fine.
[02:31] <runlevlelten> intelikey: Yes, this I know
[02:31] <randy> Yes its mounted at the moment
[02:32] <stoned> randy: and what can't you do?
[02:32] <Daisuke_Ido> stoned: and on a 400mhz machine with 192mb ram running xubuntu, having amarok and firefox open will make you cry
[02:32] <[Apollo] > hmm :)
[02:32] <stoned> read files?
[02:32] <notroot_> mordaunt: do you know of anyfiles associated to the kde control center?
[02:32] <randy> stoned: Cant read look at or even open the folder to it.
[02:32] <intelikey> randy ok would you show me what the output of   mount | grep cdrom     shows please
[02:32] <mordaunt> notroot_: not specifically
[02:32] <runlevlelten> It's owned by 400:401, and root can't access it. Nothing out of place in /etc/fstab
[02:32] <runlevlelten> well, sudoer
[02:32] <stoned> Daisuke_Ido: you don't have to run xubuntu, use fluxbox or windowmaker or sawfish or something
[02:32] <stoned> randy: how did you mount it?
[02:33] <runlevlelten> sudoer can't chown it either.
[02:33] <stoned> randy: what does mount -l show?
[02:33] <Daisuke_Ido> stoned: oh, i know that, it was an old machine of my girlfriend's, i was toying around with it :)
[02:33] <aka_dennister> well, i have some issues with my kubuntu system, so am thinking of trying gentoo...was hoping to find someone more knowledgeable about gentoo b4 i take the leap
[02:33] <randy> intelikey http://pastebin.com/d286f6b17
[02:33] <intelikey> now everybody is interested
[02:33] <mordaunt> notroot_: i would just do a find .kde -ctime - 1    <-- should give you all files changed in the last day
[02:33] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Ido, ...been there , know the feeling ..was running dapper on a 233mhz pc with 128mb Ram :)
[02:33] <aka_dennister> <-----control freak
[02:33] <Daisuke_Ido> settled on fluxbox in the end :)
[02:33] <runlevlelten> Hence my stuffing about with the mountpoint, after saying _unmount the disk_
[02:33] <runlevlelten> ;)
[02:33] <intelikey> give me just a second randy  i'm on dialup
[02:33] <stoned> I like twm + windowmaker
[02:33] <ERIK_LIMA> !timidity
[02:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about timidity - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:33] <stoned> widowmaker
[02:33] <randy> stoned: can't find show in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[02:33] <stoned> I mean
[02:33] <Schuenemann> !midi | ERIK_LIMA
[02:33] <ubotu> ERIK_LIMA: Trouble playing MIDI files? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[02:33] <stoned> Schuenemann: show?
[02:34] <stoned> randy: no man
[02:34] <Schuenemann> stoned, show what?
[02:34] <stoned> randy: mount -l
[02:34] <[Apollo] > stoned: widowmaker? LOL
[02:34] <Daisuke_Ido> no amarok, obviously, but xmms works well
[02:34] <stoned> don't type show after that come on
[02:34] <stoned> [Apollo] : hehe
[02:34] <ERIK_LIMA> I have problems running timidity
[02:34] <Daisuke_Ido> next project is a slimline frontend media pc
[02:34] <intelikey> randy issue this command     sudo mount -o reomunt,umask=000 /dev/hdc
[02:34] <stoned> ERIK_LIMA: I have problems with my woman
[02:34] <Schuenemann> stoned, what are talking about, brother?
[02:34] <randy> stoned: http://pastebin.com/d5fa88b69
[02:34] <stoned> Schuenemann: oh
[02:34] <aka_dennister> like i said, don't want to criticise kubuntu (been good to me) here, so that's why i was looking for a gentooer who was knowledgable about both distros, for private chat
[02:34] <stoned> wrong nickname
[02:34] <stoned> sorry
[02:35] <Schuenemann> ah...
[02:35] <ERIK_LIMA> "No instrument mapped. This instrument will not be heard"
[02:35] <stoned> install freepats
[02:35] <Schuenemann> ERIK_LIMA, install more samples
[02:35] <stoned> !freepats
[02:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about freepats - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:35] <stoned> !info freepats
[02:35] <ubotu> freepats: Free patch set for MIDI audio synthesis. In component universe, is optional. Version 20060219-1 (feisty), package size 28285 kB, installed size 33224 kB
[02:35] <Schuenemann> freepats has few instruments
[02:35] <randy> intelikey: should i unmount my cd first?
[02:35] <Schuenemann> ERIK_LIMA, read that page ubotu provided
[02:35] <intelikey> no
[02:35] <Niklas_E> anyone know if there is some thing you can change if you don't want for ex synaptic to get  another version of mplayer?
[02:35] <Schuenemann> for eawpatches
[02:35] <ERIK_LIMA> Schunemann: Do you have a sugestion about soundfonts for timidity?
[02:36] <mordaunt> aka_dennister: gentoo is great if you want to do nothing but spend time tweaking your distro ubuntu/kubuntu lets you get to work on something useful
[02:36] <Daisuke_Ido> anywho, it's showing everything exactly as it was (poll cd-rom, etc)
[02:36] <intelikey> randy no.  just issue the command   and then test what ever you have been testing
[02:36] <stoned> Niklas_E: yes.  You can always pin it in /etc/apt/preferences
[02:36] <stoned> Niklas_E: or you can use aptitude and put the package on hold
[02:36] <Schuenemann> ERIK_LIMA, yup, read that page. It will tell you how to install eawpatches
[02:36] <stoned> Niklas_E: i recommend using aptitude
[02:36] <randy> intelikey: http://pastebin.com/d4ac22341
[02:36] <randy> Thats what i get
[02:36] <Niklas_E> aha, thanks ;)
[02:36] <stoned> Niklas_E: run aptitude, hit /, type package name, highlight it, hit = to hold it, quit
[02:36] <redshadowhero> can anyone reccomend any good IDEs for java/c++ development?
[02:36] <Schuenemann> redshadowhero, eclipse
[02:37] <redshadowhero> eww... I hated that on windows...
[02:37] <Schuenemann> why?
[02:37] <stoned> Quanta
[02:37] <intelikey> randy yes.   and you test as per other tests ?
[02:37] <runlevlelten> randy, remount
[02:37] <runlevlelten> not reomunt
[02:37] <stoned> !info quanta
[02:37] <ubotu> quanta: web development environment for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2382 kB, installed size 5728 kB
[02:37] <stoned> or kdevelop
[02:37] <drew> this sucks, I cant run as root
[02:37] <stoned> !info kdevelop
[02:37] <ubotu> kdevelop: An IDE for Unix/X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 8594 kB, installed size 26204 kB
[02:37] <Schuenemann> eclipse has autocompile, autocomplete, refactoring and everything
[02:37] <[Apollo] > redshadowhero: We're talking about Linux IDEs here right?
[02:37] <stoned> use emacs
[02:37] <stoned> :)
[02:37] <redshadowhero> Ah, I'm a mac person... I just prefer stuff more like Xcode tools, I suppose.. but, I'll give it a try, thanks.
[02:38] <intelikey> randy oh heh runlevlelten pointed out that typo
[02:38] <aka_dennister> oh shoot...need to go to other user profile
[02:38] <redshadowhero> [Apollo] :yes
[02:38] <Schuenemann> redshadowhero, get eclipse, man
[02:38] <runlevlelten> Oh man, I have to sleep
[02:38] <Schuenemann> or netbeans (java)
[02:38] <redshadowhero> Schuenemann: alright, I'll give it a try
[02:38] <runlevlelten> I've been awake for so looooooong :(
[02:38] <randy> ok
[02:38] <randy> lemme see if i can access it now
[02:38] <Schuenemann> there is also sun visual studio
[02:38] <Schuenemann> or something like that
[02:38] <[Apollo] > go to bed then and get some rest, runlevlelten:P
[02:38] <randy> permission denied
[02:38] <[Apollo] > lol
[02:39] <intelikey> randy my typo.   sorry.     sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /dev/hdc      <<<< is that what you did ?
[02:39] <randy> yea i retyped it
[02:39] <randy> didnt give me any output this time
[02:39] <redshadowhero> Schuenemann: does it act like MS visual studio?
[02:39] <Schuenemann> I think it does
[02:39] <Schuenemann> but the name is not exacly that, I can't remember
[02:39] <intelikey> randy ok and   ls /media/cdrom0    says ?
[02:39] <Schuenemann> I never tested it, it requires 1 GB RAM or so
[02:39] <redshadowhero> yeah...
[02:39] <runlevlelten> why does the ownership of the drive differ from what it should be, that's what's weird.
[02:40] <redshadowhero> thats why I don't like those apps...
[02:40] <[Apollo] > redshadowhero: you mean like, starting services you never asked for--hogging PC resources?
[02:40] <stoned> randy@randy-desktop:~$  sudo mount -o reomunt,umask=000 /dev/hdc <-- why are you reomunting it?
[02:40] <stoned> randy: why are you specifying a umask?
[02:40] <intelikey> stoned cause i told him to
[02:40] <redshadowhero> [Apollo] : what?
[02:40] <redshadowhero> [Apollo] : I don't understand
[02:40] <stoned> intelikey: you told him to reomunt or remount?
[02:40] <[Apollo] > redshadowhero: That's what MS VS 2005 does
[02:41] <randy> intelikey: when i do ls /media/cdrom0 it says "I hope you go insane and jump in a volcano! Permission DEEENIIIIEEEEDD!!"
[02:41] <runlevlelten> [Apollo] : I can't go to bed, I'm waiting for this copy to finish :(
[02:41] <runlevlelten> then I can sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.
[02:41] <[Apollo] > heh
[02:41] <[Apollo] > KDE is still installing
[02:41] <[Apollo] > and all it's dependencies
[02:41] <runlevlelten> It's been going since yesterday morning
[02:41] <redshadowhero> [Apollo] : I don't use VS
[02:41] <[Apollo] > which copy if I might ask?
[02:41] <intelikey> randy  ls -dl / /media /media/cdrom0
[02:41] <redshadowhero> [Apollo] : In fact, I no longer run windows at home anymore
[02:41] <[Apollo] > redshadowhero: ok, misunderstanding then :P
[02:41] <[Apollo] > +s
[02:42] <ERIK_LIMA> Schunemann: I'm installing eaw patches right now. Hope if the MIDI plays correctly.
[02:42] <runlevlelten> A stupid stupid stupid backup over ssh that a client started.
[02:42] <runlevlelten> It would have been quicker to just take it.
[02:42] <runlevlelten> physically I mean
[02:42] <randy> intelikey: http://pastebin.com/d5ebcf4aa
[02:42] <[Apollo] > heh
[02:42] <redshadowhero> [Apollo] : I do all my coding for school on Xcode, then port it to the sun server to test it
[02:43] <ERIK_LIMA> I was listening to "InnerDarkside", both MIDI and MP3 version and I compared the MIDI file on XP and Linux.
[02:43] <intelikey> randy what does   echo $UID      say ?
[02:43] <[Apollo] > redshadowhere: oic, never used XCode and never used a MAC, so I'm sorry, can't help you much then :)
[02:43] <Schuenemann> redshadowhero, http://developers.sun.com/jscreator/overview/tours/prodtour/flash/index.html
[02:43] <Schuenemann> Sun Java Studio Creator
[02:43] <runlevlelten> not 400:401
[02:43] <randy> 1000
[02:43] <ERIK_LIMA> First, the MIDI played on XP was sound near the original MP3 file
[02:44] <intelikey> randy give me a sec to sort all this now.
[02:44] <ERIK_LIMA> But when I played on Linux I thinked "Somethings wrong!"
[02:44] <randy> okay
[02:44] <randy> im calmed down now >_> I got some music going *sigh*
[02:44] <redshadowhero> [Apollo] : Yeah, thats why I was asking for an IDE on linux.
[02:44] <ERIK_LIMA> Maybe my timidity wasn't configured correctly
[02:44] <Schuenemann> ERIK_LIMA, that's because MIDI is just a protocol... you need to have the instruments
[02:45] <redshadowhero> Schuenemann: But, thats java only, correct?
[02:45] <Schuenemann> and timidity comes with few instruments
[02:45] <Schuenemann> redshadowhero, yeah, and it's a RAD... I think you should try eclipse
[02:45] <intelikey> randy pastebin   cat /etc/fstab ;grep 40 /etc/passwd
[02:45] <[Apollo] > redshadowhero: Sorry, can't help you there either. I use gedit and g++ and makefiles so far to code, compile and link my C++ programs
[02:45] <Schuenemann> gedit? ugh...
[02:45] <[Apollo] > heh
[02:45] <[Apollo] > I'm a noob and don't know much alternatives, remember? :P
[02:46] <ERIK_LIMA> Schunemann, Have you ever played "Shinobi III"? I was listening to a music from the game in MIDI format and then in MP3
[02:46] <redshadowhero> Ha ha... I usually use pico/myself... sad, no?
[02:46] <randy> http://pastebin.com/d3332f68a
[02:46] <Schuenemann> ERIK_LIMA, hmm... no, but I played he-man hehe
[02:46] <intelikey> pico is a symlink to nano on ubuntu
[02:46] <redshadowhero> wow... you learn something new everyday...
[02:46] <aldcor> aldcor
[02:46] <ERIK_LIMA> and then compare. On XP the MIDI sounded nearest than MP3 and I could listen to all instruments
[02:46] <runlevlelten> Yep, no such user...
[02:47] <randy> o_O
[02:47] <ERIK_LIMA> But, on Linux, a few instruments was missing. It was caused by freepats.cfg??
[02:47] <[Apollo] > So, my KDE install is finished. Can someone tell me now how to choose between GNOME and KDE now? I mean, like, what command do I have to type in?
[02:47] <intelikey> randy sudo umount /dev/hdc
[02:48] <intelikey> randy do it again.  jsut to make sure
[02:48] <Daisuke_Ido> [Apollo] : log out and choose kde from the session menu in gdm, and log back in
[02:48] <Schuenemann> ERIK_LIMA, it was because you didn't have those instruments
[02:48] <[Apollo] > ok, I'll guess I have to close all my programs then, no?
[02:48] <randy> ok i could hear my cd drive start to spin and when i put it in a 2nd time it said nothing was mounted
[02:48] <intelikey> randy ls -ld /media/cdrom0
[02:49] <randy> dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-07-20 12:13 /media/cdrom0
[02:49] <ERIK_LIMA> Schunemann: where can I find them? Do you have any repository?
[02:49] <redshadowhero> Schuenemann: this looks like javascript, or does it do jav code, too?
[02:49] <Schuenemann> ERIK_LIMA, it's that eawpatches you said you were installing
[02:49] <Daisuke_Ido> [Apollo] : uh, yeah.  logging out is just that.
[02:49] <runlevlelten> yay.
[02:49] <Schuenemann> redshadowhero, what?
[02:50] <runlevlelten> we working now randy?
[02:50] <randy> try mounting the cd now?
[02:50] <redshadowhero> Schuenemann: I was watching the little video... it looks like a javascript thing...
[02:50] <intelikey> randy sudo mount -o umask=000 /media/cdrom0
[02:50] <redshadowhero> Schuenemann: perhaps I am mistaken
[02:51] <Schuenemann> to tell the truth, I didn't watch the video (and can't now), but it's made by Sun and it says JAVA Studio Creator :p
[02:51] <randy> intelikey: http://pastebin.com/d1a4134a3
[02:51] <ERIK_LIMA> Schunemann: eaw patches have these instruments you mentioned or I need to install soundfonts after?
[02:51] <redshadowhero> Schuenemann: I'll just get eclipse...
[02:52] <runlevlelten> what you got in dmesg | tail -n 30
[02:52] <Schuenemann> ERIK_LIMA, no, they're the instruments... next, you'll have to tell timidity to use those samples and not freepats
[02:52] <intelikey> randy ok the fs on the disk seems to support permissions  thus you will not be able to change that for that disk.   i.e.  use the root account to copy out what you need and then chown/chmod the files
[02:53] <Schuenemann> redshadowhero, eclipse is cool
[02:53] <randy> intelikey: ....wha?
[02:53] <Schuenemann> sun studio is a RAD
[02:53] <ERIK_LIMA> Right. I will configure it and see whats happens.
[02:53] <redshadowhero> Schuenemann: okay, I know this sounds ignorant of me, but what does RAD mean?
[02:53] <intelikey> randy the cd itself has the permissions and ownership  you can't change that   and linux is acting accordingly.
[02:54] <randy> oh
[02:54] <Schuenemann> Rapid Application Development
[02:54] <redshadowhero> oh...
[02:54] <redshadowhero> I see...
[02:54] <Schuenemann> like dragging something here to make a database connection, those kind of stuff MS users love
[02:54] <redshadowhero> I was thinking more off applet applet development.
[02:54] <randy> runlevlelten http://pastebin.com/d64930
[02:54] <redshadowhero> But, I'm not a ms user.
[02:54] <randy> So theres NO way i can get the data off?
[02:54] <Schuenemann> I'm glad to hear that heh
[02:55] <intelikey> randy the issue is    not an issue.    it's just a matter of having permission to access it.     thus   to extract the data,    sudo -i     and go get it.
[02:55] <[Apollo] > KDE IS RUNNING. YAY. TY ALL :D
[02:55] <randy> okay
[02:55] <randy> sudo -i = root? how do i get back to normal then?
[02:55] <intelikey> randy you exit
[02:56] <randy> kay
[02:56] <randy> thanks alot guys
[02:56] <intelikey> randy welcome
[02:56] <K-Ryan> Evening gents
[02:56] <redshadowhero> Schuenemann: I've been a mac person since '99, and trying to get more and more into *nix
[02:56] <runlevlelten> Good stuff, enjoy q4 when you get to play it :)
[02:56] <randy> thanks to you too runlevlelten!
[02:56] <runlevlelten> np randy :)
[02:57] <intelikey> randy let that be a lesson in the "format" of data cd's   better to use an M$ format that doesn't support permissions than to lock your self out of your data...   :)
[02:58] <randy> haha
[02:58] <runlevlelten> woo! scp has finished :D
[02:58] <randy> WOOO!!
[03:00] <[Apollo] > :D
[03:00] <[Apollo] > KDE rules
[03:00] <Daisuke_Ido> somehow my entire collection in amarok got hosed
[03:00] <Schuenemann> "scp
[03:00] <Schuenemann> !scp
[03:00] <ubotu> SCP is a secure way of copying files across networks using !SSH. Usage: scp filename user@host:filename - WinSCP is a client for Windows, available at http://winscp.net/
[03:00] <Daisuke_Ido> (the database, not the music itself.  i would have actually cried.)
[03:01] <samaris> hello
[03:01] <randy> runlevlelten: one question, now when i DIR the cdrom0 all i get is autorun.inf and setup. I dont see the folders
[03:01] <Daisuke_Ido> dir?
[03:01] <runlevlelten> redshadowhero: as long as you don't keep some poor guy like me awake til 2am on monday morning waiting for the stuffing thing to finish
[03:02] <runlevlelten> then it's your lookout, heh
[03:02] <intelikey> scp a@b:file[1-8]  . & scp .file[1-8]  a@b        <<<  loop  unending copy
[03:02] <[Apollo] > ;)
[03:02] <redshadowhero> runlevlelten: nah, I use it at work to sync stuff to our backup server.
[03:03] <runlevlelten> randy: dir or ls?
[03:03] <intelikey> dir works too
[03:03] <randy> both just show those 2 files
[03:03] <randy> is there a command to put after dir to show hidden files?
[03:04] <runlevlelten> I can't help thinking you might be better off taking that strange copy of q4 "back to the store" and getting them to manufacture you a new one.
[03:04] <aldcor> aldcor
[03:04] <intelikey>  ls .*
[03:04] <intelikey> ls -A
[03:04] <redshadowhero> randy: why don't you just use ls -a
[03:04] <Daisuke_Ido> tell your buddy to burn you a new copy.
[03:04] <aldcor> aldcor
[03:04] <redshadowhero> or -A
[03:04] <redshadowhero> oh... intelikey beat me to it..
[03:04] <Daisuke_Ido> :D
[03:04] <randy> argh! just those 2 files
[03:04] <randy> *grumble grumble* gonna find a torrent
[03:04] <runlevlelten> randy... I suggest you have a bad burn
[03:05] <intelikey> randy df -h   will show in human readable form  the disk usage
[03:05] <randy> it worked find on windows -_-
[03:05] <runlevlelten> or if it's not actually bad, it's stuffed up enough that it might as well be
[03:05] <runlevlelten> randy wait... you have a windows installation?!
[03:05] <ERIK_LIMA> Schunemann: It's works!!!
[03:05] <randy> not anymore
[03:05] <runlevlelten> you can copy the files from a windows installation dude..
[03:05] <runlevlelten> Oh, never mind then, haha
[03:05] <Schuenemann> GREAT
[03:05] <randy> lol
[03:06] <ERIK_LIMA> The MIDI file is playing correctly
[03:06] <ERIK_LIMA> Thanks!! :)
[03:06] <ERIK_LIMA> And good night. I'm leaving. Good bye
[03:06] <intelikey> Schuenemann what was software emulation of midi hardware ?
[03:06] <runlevlelten> If you really can't get at it as root on that machine, and you can extract it using windows (assuming you don't want to burn it again)
[03:07] <Schuenemann> intelikey, he had the default freepats samples
[03:07] <randy> lemme go to the /media/cdrom/
[03:07] <intelikey> Schuenemann yeah that's what i said   emulation
[03:07] <randy> hmm nothing different
[03:07] <Schuenemann> ahh... silly me
[03:08] <randy> lemme remount again
[03:08] <runlevlelten> hang on, gotta reboot something
[03:08] <[Apollo] > Can someone tell me what could be the reason behind this error message: "/usr/lib/licq/bin/licq-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" Ok, the message should be self-explainatory, but what can I do about it?
[03:08] <randy> WOO IT WORKS NOW!
[03:09] <Schuenemann> does anyone know what font is this? http://img382.imageshack.us/my.php?image=logohc2.jpg
[03:09] <runlevlelten> Wow, weird. Copy the files while you can, heh.
[03:09] <randy> i am i am
[03:10] <caboose_1980> hi
[03:10] <runlevlelten> It works one mount and not another with the same user et cetera, sounds like poopy burn/media.
[03:11] <randy> just my luck XD I get a poopy burn from iD
[03:11] <runlevlelten> indeed
[03:11] <randy> never take me to a casino :) Youll lose everything
[03:11] <intelikey> puppy
[03:11] <randy> my friend found that out the hard way
[03:11] <intelikey> oh poopy
[03:11] <runlevlelten> the QC these days
[03:11] <caboose_1980> im confused
[03:12] <randy> i went to a casino with him and he was up $100 on $100.  when i got there
[03:12] <intelikey> hi confused   im unstable
[03:12] <randy> an hour later he had nothing :)
[03:12] <caboose_1980> haha thats real funny
[03:12] <randy> neither did i but i only took 60 bucks lol
[03:12] <runlevlelten> Yay \o/ client's server didn't explode.
[03:13] <sfire> mine did
[03:13] <sfire> lol
[03:13] <runlevlelten> Always nice when I'm not safe to walk up the stairs to bed, let alone operate a pooter, heh
[03:13] <sfire> yesterday I "skipped" a reboot... oohhh BAD idea
[03:13] <sfire> BSoD
[03:13] <Schuenemann> I always get a lot of money in casinos. I'm banned from all casinos of my state
[03:13] <randy> why arnt you safe to go up stairs?
[03:13] <intelikey> reboot ?       yeah bad idea
[03:14] <sfire> it totally borked this poor windows 2003 server
[03:14] <sfire> 1 bad move totally waxed it
[03:14] <runlevlelten> windows server? ugh
[03:14] <sfire> yea :(
[03:14] <caboose_1980> i have ubuntu
[03:14] <redshadowhero> sfire: why not use a *nix server?
[03:14] <caboose_1980> which sucks more
[03:14] <intelikey> more than what ?
[03:14] <sfire> redshadowhero: they refused it.. they wanted sharepoint
[03:14] <sfire> :((
[03:14] <caboose_1980> windows
[03:14] <Schuenemann> nothing can suck more than windows
[03:14] <caboose_1980> ubuntu
[03:15] <runlevlelten> Ooh, their new monkey boy has been writing shell scripts with no shebangs..... I hate that.
[03:15] <aldcor> aldcor
[03:15] <sfire> Schuenemann: OS-X
[03:15] <intelikey> well   it probably could,,, but nothing "linux" does
[03:15] <runlevlelten> I'm tempted to change the default shell to something really weird and exotic.
[03:15] <Schuenemann> runlevlelten, sorry, what are you talking about?
[03:15] <intelikey> runlevlelten dash ?
[03:16] <Schuenemann> this monkey boy and shebangs stuff
[03:16] <sdlnxgk> anyone running SLI mode??? can't seem to get the second video to link up again
[03:16] <caboose_1980> what are we talking about?
[03:16] <intelikey> you
[03:16] <caboose_1980> sweet
[03:17] <caboose_1980> with ubuntu i cant download flash and i cant download anything
[03:17] <sdlnxgk> was playing BF2 and screen went to 640x480 and now
[03:17] <redshadowhero> sfire: Bah. Tell them that they can't have windows.
[03:17] <caboose_1980> anyone know how to get past that?
[03:17] <runlevlelten> Schuenemann: monkey boy = IT manager - a guy who gets paid to hire a real geek when any work needs doing
[03:17] <intelikey> why do you want to "download" flash ?
[03:17] <intelikey> !flash | caboose_1980
[03:17] <sdlnxgk> it's always stuck in 640x480 on log in till I change it
[03:17] <ubotu> caboose_1980: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[03:17] <runlevlelten> shebang = the bit in a shell script that actually tells the pooter what language it's in
[03:17] <caboose_1980> so i can watch videos
[03:17] <caboose_1980> and play games
[03:17] <caboose_1980> =] 
[03:18] <Schuenemann> hmm
[03:18] <intelikey> see the bot
[03:18] <intelikey> report to the bot
[03:18] <intelikey> visit the bot
[03:18] <[Apollo] > bow down to the bot
[03:18] <runlevlelten> Then the monkey boy will get in trouble though, and that's not nice
[03:18] <intelikey> sackrelige
[03:18] <runlevlelten> still, it would have been fun.
[03:18] <[Apollo] > BOW DOWN, redshadowhero, BOW DOWN :P
[03:19] <redshadowhero> NEVER!
[03:19] <[Apollo] > HOW DARE YOU
[03:19] <[Apollo] > that's an insult to the holy bot
[03:19] <intelikey> !botsnack
[03:19] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[03:19] <redshadowhero> "Holy bot"?
[03:20] <intelikey> heh.
[03:20] <redshadowhero> Doesn't that sound a bit paradoxical?
[03:20] <[Apollo] > yeah, you don't know??
[03:20] <randy> and we love the real geek!
[03:20] <redshadowhero> runlevlelten: nobody could make me stay up that late... but then again, I don't work for the conventional IT crew, either.
[03:21] <miles> hey i just got one question for you guys?
[03:21] <caboose_1980> that download thing is to confusing
[03:21] <randy> yes mr. miles
[03:21] <BluesKaj> real geek's only friend is his "stuff"
[03:21] <miles> how come...ubuntu is killin windows?!
[03:21] <caboose_1980> any help?
[03:21] <randy> Cause windows is death!
[03:21] <miles> ha
[03:21] <intelikey> miles care to elaborate ?
[03:21] <miles> http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/32967/113/
[03:21] <randy> Dont you know? Every second 1000000 babies are killed by microsoft to make windows?
[03:22] <miles> thats seriously the 5th article ive seen in the past month talking about ubuntu > windows
[03:22] <Daisuke_Ido> big whoop
[03:22] <miles> ive been using linux for the past 1.5-2 years, but i never really felt comfortable using it everyday till i started using ubuntu
[03:23] <Daisuke_Ido> that doesn't mean it's killing windows
[03:23] <miles> are you a bill gates sympathizer?
[03:23] <Daisuke_Ido> however, it does mean linux is making great strides in usability on the desktop, which is awesome.
[03:23] <miles> yea
[03:23] <miles> thats what im getting at
[03:23] <redshadowhero> miles: why sympathize with him?
[03:23] <Daisuke_Ido> miles: are you a republican?
[03:23] <runlevlelten> the thing killing windows is windows sucking.
[03:23] <miles> sympathize with who?
[03:23] <miles> i dont vote
[03:23] <Daisuke_Ido> "if you're not with me 100%, you're against me 100%
[03:24] <[Apollo] > lol
[03:24] <Daisuke_Ido> just because i say ubuntu isn't "killing" windows, i'm a gates sympathizer.
[03:24] <miles> o
[03:24] <miles> i was just messing with you
[03:24] <redshadowhero> miles: billy boy.
[03:24] <Daisuke_Ido> love the red-state rhetoric
[03:24] <runlevlelten> [02:23]  <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu isn't "killing" windows, i'm a gates sympathizer
[03:24] <miles> haha
[03:24] <[Apollo] > >_>
 however, it does mean linux is making great strides in usability on the desktop, which is awesome.  <<<<  do you mean "more windows like"  ?
[03:25] <Daisuke_Ido> go go out of context quoting!
[03:25] <redshadowhero> miles: aka bill gates
[03:25] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: not necessarily
[03:25] <Daisuke_Ido> there are also some mac-like strides :D
[03:25] <miles> see, this is what i realized when i started using linux..."wow i was living in a windows world"
[03:25] <miles> using linux opened my eyes to see how computers actually work...not just how a windows computer works
[03:25] <Daisuke_Ido> i think it needs to go in a different direction, but if it does it risks alienating a LOT of people...
[03:25] <Daisuke_Ido> miles: same here
[03:25] <redshadowhero> miles: I was the same way, 'cept it was to mac
[03:26] <Daisuke_Ido> this is the first distro i really feel comfortable using
[03:26] <miles> i only use my windows partition to play games
[03:26] <Schuenemann> have tried some others before
[03:26] <randy> i think ubuntu is like a gateway drug into the linux world
[03:26] <redshadowhero> but then, I realized that it was the unix way of doing things that I really like.
[03:26] <[Apollo] > the only thing about Linux that's getting on my nerves is that I have so many new, interesting things to discover and figure out, that I don't know WHERE TO FRIGGIN START!
[03:26] <aldcor> aldcor
[03:26] <miles> haha
[03:26] <Schuenemann> this guy has been repeating that for hours
[03:26] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido reason i asked,  i don't agree with the premiss    i think that it really means that "linux is becomming more widely known"  not that it's more usable.
[03:26] <runlevlelten> randy: it's certainly at the boundaries, I don't know how likely it is to get you into other distros though
[03:27] <[Apollo] > Schuenemann: who? me?
[03:27] <Schuenemann> no, this aldcor
[03:27] <[Apollo] > oh
[03:27] <[Apollo] > weird yea
[03:27] <Schuenemann> [22:26:32]  <aldcor> aldcor
[03:27] <miles> i think ubuntu represents linux better than other well known distros like RH
[03:27] <Schuenemann> he's been doing this for many many hours
[03:28] <runlevlelten> RH has good and bad points. Not really a fan, but it does have points of technical excellence and philosophical goodness.
[03:28] <intelikey> represents ?  =  promotes ?
[03:28] <runlevlelten> and Really Spectacular Brokenness xD
[03:28] <[Apollo] > Schuenemann: maybe it's a sign? maybe he (?) wants to tell us something?
[03:28] <Schuenemann> who is he? lessie?
[03:28] <BluesKaj> the computer magazines are really lining up behind Vista cuz they know what a difficult time ppl will have getting a lot of their fav progs to run on it,> Interesting cuz then the they have a captive market for consumers on "how to " articles about getting Vista to work on their pcs ...more sales :)
[03:29] <miles> the computer magazines are s__t to begin with
[03:29] <miles> they are the same thing every month "speed up your comp in 40 ways"
[03:29] <miles> 2600 > other computer related zines
[03:29] <[Apollo] > XP was/is the best Windows, IMHO. If you can use "good" and "best" in context with Windows anyway.
[03:30] <runlevlelten> ....and there's been real comedy in seeing all the generic UMS usb sticks and hard drives and monitors with the OMG DESIGNED FOR WINDOWS VISTA
[03:30] <redshadowhero> [Apollo] : I agree with you.
[03:30] <runlevlelten> crap next to them
[03:30] <Schuenemann> well, comparing to windows 98, what isn't good?
[03:30] <randy> XD
[03:30] <runlevlelten> making mom and pop buy it, thinking everything will need it, when that's pure garbage.
[03:31] <miles> my work laptop runs vista, and my company has me trying to develop a flex app, its kinda difficult when my oem OS is crippled
[03:31] <[Apollo] > DESIGNED FOR WINDOWS VISTA sounds to me like DESIGNED NOT CONFORMING TO STANDARDS SO IT ONLY RUNS ON MICROSOFT SYSTEMS :D
[03:31] <redshadowhero> Yeah
[03:31] <redshadowhero> I agree with that.
[03:31] <Schuenemann> users don't know what standards are
[03:31] <miles> "users" dont really care, they just wanna download music and check their myspace
[03:31] <runlevlelten> and they implied for months and months and months that all these generic devices were for Vista
[03:32] <[Apollo] > heh
[03:32] <intelikey> well [Apollo]  you can inturpret M$ jargon,  are you an employee ?
[03:32] <runlevlelten> with the "designed for" or the "works with"... all with the vista logo on them
[03:32] <HayaBusa> hello .. anyone knows anything about RED5 server or knows of IRC for this server ?
[03:32] <runlevlelten> I know I'm going to bed.
[03:33] <runlevlelten> Night all :)
[03:33] <miles> you mean RHEL5?
[03:33] <[Apollo] > night runlevlelten
[03:33] <HayaBusa> no RED 5 , IS opensource comm server for flash
[03:33] <HayaBusa> night runlevle
[03:33] <miles> o
[03:33] <[Apollo] > intelikey: was it really that obvious?
[03:33] <miles> no clue then, sorry
[03:33] <intelikey> :)
[03:33] <[Apollo] > :P
[03:34] <[Apollo] > Even the t-shirt I'm wearing has a Vista logo on it.
[03:34] <intelikey> is there a penguin standing on it taking a dump ???
[03:34] <Schuenemann> then your t-shirt sucks
[03:35] <HayaBusa> I just read a blog that microsoft used pireted program on part of xp
[03:35] <randy> time to test quake4!
[03:35] <[Apollo] > haha
[03:35] <Schuenemann> I just read on a blog that Titanic was run by Windows
[03:35] <miles> laff
[03:36] <miles> so was apollo 13
[03:36] <HayaBusa> hold on
[03:36] <caboose_1980> i still cant download flash!
[03:36] <caboose_1980> i need some help
[03:36] <randy> argh
[03:36] <intelikey> oh lets not be silly.  bill wasn't typing when apollo 13 went
[03:36] <[Apollo] > hmmmmm
[03:37] <NickPresta> lol
[03:37] <ARM9> Tom hanks is some nice pice of meat
[03:38] <ARM9> oh f***
[03:38] <ARM9> Did I just say that??
[03:38] <caboose_1980> where do i download flash for ubuntu 6.6 lts?
[03:38] <[Apollo] > Is there any way to install dependencies automatically with KPackage? It keeps complaining about 31 packages missing that are needed for just one package....
[03:38] <intelikey> yeah ya sweedish meet ball,  you sure did.
[03:38] <[Apollo] > and I'm too lazy to install them all by hand
[03:39] <Schuenemann> !info flash
[03:39] <ubotu> Package flash does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[03:39] <Schuenemann> !info flashplugin-nonfre
[03:39] <Schuenemann> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[03:39] <ubotu> Package flashplugin-nonfre does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[03:39] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 9.0.31.0.2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 108 kB (Only available for i386)
[03:39] <Schuenemann> caboose_1980, you need that package
[03:39] <intelikey> !repos | [Apollo] 
[03:39] <ubotu> [Apollo] : The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:40] <ice9> hello friends!
[03:40] <caboose_1980> where do i get that package?
[03:40] <[Apollo] > intelikey: it's not a package that comes with Kubuntu
[03:40] <[Apollo] > it's a 3rd party
[03:40] <[Apollo] > project
[03:40] <ck42> fighting with getting a new monitor setup to run 1680x1050.  According to the monitor, it's is running 1680x1050 while in kdm, but as soon as KDE starts, it appears to step down to 1400x900.  I've been trying different things with xorg.conf...but w/o any luck.  Anyone else deal with someone similar?
[03:40] <aldcor> aldcor
[03:41] <Schuenemann> caboose_1980, try sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[03:41] <caboose_1980> where do i get that??
[03:41] <Schuenemann> you have to type that
[03:41] <HayaBusa> some wave files stored on windows xp are created using sound forge. 4.5 this is part of the info ::::  Deepz0ne  ISFT   Sound Forge 4.5
[03:41] <intelikey> Linux is not the command-line based quagmire-enigma it once was.       ahh  poor linux.   linux is dead,  died of enslavement to M$ thinkology...
[03:41] <HayaBusa> deepzone are crackers
[03:42] <caboose_1980> where do i type it?
[03:42] <tzanger> hmm
[03:42] <Schuenemann> caboose_1980, in konsole
[03:42] <caboose_1980> oh ok thanks alot!
[03:43] <caboose_1980> i have terminal not konsole
[03:43] <caboose_1980> do i type it there?
[03:43] <Schuenemann> are using kubuntu?
[03:44] <caboose_1980> oh no regular ubunto 6.6 lts
[03:44] <caboose_1980> ubuntu~
[03:44] <tzanger> I'm trhying to set up an smb share on this system, but it's saying it can't install - "the necessary applications to install could not be found"
[03:44] <tzanger> I can edit smb.conf myslef, it's all there and it works, but why would this not be working?
[03:45] <Schuenemann> caboose_1980, ok, do it
[03:45] <caboose_1980> ok ill try
[03:45] <makuseru> !vmware
[03:45] <redshadowhero> Well, it was nice talking to all of you. I'll try to be back on later.
[03:45] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[03:45] <redshadowhero> Bye.
[03:45] <caboose_1980> ok umm...
[03:45] <caboose_1980> nothing happened
[03:46] <Schuenemann> nothing?
[03:46] <caboose_1980> nope
[03:46] <[Apollo] > aldcor
[03:46] <Schuenemann> it should've asked you for password
[03:46] <caboose_1980> nothing
[03:46] <Schuenemann> well, there is a channel ubuntu-specific: #ubuntu
[03:47] <Rollergrrl04> hello
[03:48] <caboose_1980> can you start a private chat with me schuenemann?
[03:49] <Schuenemann> ok
[03:49] <[Apollo] > ahhh, just managed to install LICQ
[03:49] <Schuenemann> but I'm married
[03:49] <[Apollo] > LOL
[03:49] <miles> lol pwn
[03:49] <caboose_1980> ...
[03:49] <Schuenemann> heh I was just kidding
[03:49] <caboose_1980> lol good
[03:49] <[Apollo] > you are not married?
[03:50] <Schuenemann> nope =)
[03:51] <[Apollo] > ok
[03:51] <[Apollo] > erm...
[03:52] <[Apollo] > will pasting 5 lines of error messages be counted as flooding?
[03:52] <ardchoille> Probably
[03:52] <ardchoille> !pastebin
[03:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:52] <caboose_1980> ughh
[03:52] <ardchoille> [Apollo] : When in doubt, use pastebin :)
[03:52] <caboose_1980> it wont let me send the message
[03:52] <makuseru> how can i install windows using VM Ware?
[03:53] <Schuenemann> ouch
[03:53] <[Apollo] > ok :)
[03:53] <caboose_1980> anyway i got to the part where it askes me my password but when i try to type nothing happens
[03:53] <ardchoille> caboose_1980: You aren't id'd to nickserv, Schuenemann is so you won't be able to pm
[03:53] <ardchoille> caboose_1980: But, you can join #caboose_1980 and invite Schuenemann :)
[03:54] <intelikey> caboose_1980 anyway i got to the part where it askes me my password but when i try to type nothing happens <<<<  so type your password and hit enter
[03:54] <Schuenemann> yeah
[03:54] <caboose_1980> it wont let me type anything
[03:55] <Schuenemann> the letters won't show up, but type anyway
[03:55] <[Apollo] > http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30842/ <-- what do those error messages mean and what can I do about them? (they show up when starting LICQ)
[03:55] <intelikey> it will to
[03:55] <Schuenemann> they're there
[03:55] <ardchoille> [Apollo] : Those errorws are due to xorg trying to initialiose wacom devices you don't have.
[03:55] <stdin> !baddevice | [Apollo] 
[03:55] <ubotu> [Apollo] : If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[03:55] <caboose_1980> yay
[03:56] <intelikey> "oh my, i can't read it to see if it's correct when i enter my password,  what do i do???"    heh
[03:56] <ardchoille> Thank you :) stdin
[03:56] <caboose_1980> it worked!
[03:56] <elite101> wow just after 1week of using kubuntu i think i got it now!!!
[03:56] <ardchoille> intelikey: lol
[03:56] <caboose_1980> now its like...doing weird stuff with alot of numbers and letters
[03:56] <jasf> help me please how do i sign in to kopete under another name?
[03:56] <miles> jasf - create a new account on kopete?
[03:56] <aldcor> aldcor
[03:56] <elite101> no he prob means an existing one
[03:57] <jasf> k i'll try thanks
[03:57] <elite101> for kopete
[03:57] <ardchoille> aldcor: Talking to yourself is a sign of senility
[03:57] <[Apollo] > ardchoille, stdin: TY
[03:57] <caboose_1980> ugghh...is something wrong it says this
[03:57] <caboose_1980> Download done.
[03:57] <caboose_1980> md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[03:57] <caboose_1980> The Flash plugin is NOT installed.
[03:57] <[Apollo] > aldcor
[03:58] <miles> caboose_1980: you have an i386 platform, correct?
[03:58] <caboose_1980> i dont know what that is
[03:58] <elite101> when i enabled resitories for kubuntu there where one that wear restricted. i didnt enable them befor and the application list was at 15,000 i enabled the retrsicited ones and now there are 18,000of them???
[03:58] <miles> what kind of processor do you have?
[03:58] <caboose_1980> what do you mean?
[03:58] <elite101> x86
[03:58] <intelikey> caboose_1980 so now read the instructions and copy the file where it said to..
[03:58] <elite101> intel
[03:58] <miles> i have an AMD64 bit proccessor, therefore i cant DL the flash plugin because it doesnt support 64 bit platfroms
[03:58] <ardchoille> elite101: Yes, you opened yourself to many more apps, which is a good thing.
[03:59] <elite101> so why are they restricted? just like hacked apps that do bad things?
[03:59] <edson> somebody use lm-sensors for module i2c_i801(intel)?
[03:59] <ardchoille> elite101: Can't be included due to licensing restrictions and such
[03:59] <nconceicao> hi everyone..
[03:59] <nconceicao> new ubuntu user here
[03:59] <aldcor> aldcor
[03:59] <intelikey> elite101 you are asking about the concepts of "free" -vs- " non free "
[03:59] <elite101> so there bad but they wont harm my system?
[03:59] <nconceicao> and have a quick questions about blue tooth sync
[03:59] <ardchoille> intelikey: Thank you :)
[04:00] <miles> free as in beer? or free as in freedom
[04:00] <nconceicao> what do users typically use to sync on ubuntu?
[04:00] <nconceicao> bluetooth that is?
[04:00] <elite101> i know u can do anything in kubuntu just cant see that they where "restricted"
[04:00] <[Apollo] > aldcor
[04:00] <intelikey> elite101 they are "non-free"
[04:00] <edson> somebody use lm-sensors for module i2c_i801(intel)?
[04:00] <elite101> okay
[04:00] <elite101> i didnt know u had to acutally pay for things on kubuntu?
[04:00] <ardchoille> elite101: for example, people in the US can't legally use software that decrypts CSS in Linux.
[04:01] <nconceicao> soo any recommendations for ubuntu bluetooh?
[04:01] <elite101> okay ic
[04:01] <nconceicao> kubuntu not free?
[04:01] <elite101> im from canada alot of illegal stuff can be done here
[04:01] <caboose_1980> this is what it said
[04:01] <caboose_1980> granddaddy@chips:~$ sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/<filename>.deb
[04:01] <caboose_1980> bash: filename: No such file or directory
[04:01] <caboose_1980> granddaddy@chips:~$
[04:01] <ardchoille> hahaha
[04:01] <elite101> like camcorders in movie theaters and back-up dvd's :):)
[04:01] <hitmanWilly> nconceicao, apps that aren't open source
[04:02] <ardchoille> caboose_1980: What are you installing?
[04:02] <intelikey> free beer / free speach  / free to pay taxes
[04:02] <caboose_1980> all this again...
[04:02] <caboose_1980> flash
[04:02] <ardchoille> !flash
[04:02] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[04:02] <caboose_1980> im already thereeeee
[04:03] <elite101> lol is the US$ almost the same as the canadian i think its par or just 0.06$
[04:03] <caboose_1980> it says i have to get "dapper-backports"
[04:03] <intelikey> ardchoille he has it on his system,  he just didn't read the output and copy the file.so to the dir yet
[04:03] <ardchoille> intelikey: Oh, he's not following instructions?
[04:03] <intelikey> no
[04:03] <caboose_1980> im confused
[04:03] <miles> gnash is kind of weak
[04:04] <elite101> thanx i needed that link for flashplayer9!!
[04:04] <ardchoille> elite101: Did someone already tell you how to install this?
[04:04] <dsmith> free taxes? lol
[04:04] <elite101> no
[04:04] <elite101> that was java
[04:04] <elite101> but it didnt work
[04:05] <caboose_1980> intelikey join the pm #caboose_1980
[04:05] <elite101> the package or something could not be requested
[04:05] <caboose_1980> or whatever that is
[04:05] <ardchoille> elite101: Seems to me you're doing this the hard way, I have installed flash with a single apt-get install command.
[04:05] <elite101> i didnt know that?
[04:05] <ardchoille> Probably because you didn't read: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash
[04:05] <elite101> i asked for java but they wouldnt give me the full name because terminal is case sens.
[04:05] <miles> if i wanted to make sure i have the latest package in the ubuntu repos, i would type "sudo apt-get upgrade <<package name>>" correct?
[04:05] <dsmith> flash still hiccups on some websites
[04:05] <elite101> i am using that link
[04:06] <dsmith> toyota.com being one
[04:06] <elite101> i just sayed thanx for someone that posted it
[04:06] <ardchoille> miles: sudo apt-get upgrade will suffice, provided your sources are current (sudo apt-get update)
[04:06] <elite101> i need it for youtube videos and other sites that wont run good without it
[04:06] <hitmanWilly> miles, or just upgrade will upgrade the whole system
[04:06] <miles> ok, thanks
[04:07] <Schuenemann> how can I use arial font in kubuntu?
[04:07] <stdin> miles: no, just run "sudo apt-get upgrade" to upgrade all apackages, you can just do "sudo apt-get install <package>" to make sure you have the latest of that package
[04:07] <elite101> there is no support for my distro in that flash link but there is one that comes similar
[04:07] <hitmanWilly> elite101, youtube works fine with it
[04:07] <miles> when 7.10 comes out, i can type "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[04:07] <miles> right?
[04:07] <caboose_1980> ok i need help...soooo much. people start helping me, then they leave me
[04:07] <hitmanWilly> miles, not quite....
[04:08] <stdin> miles: not quite, use adept to do it
[04:08] <miles> mk
[04:08] <intelikey> dsmith i run  apt-get dist-upgrade   twice a week on dapper
[04:08] <caboose_1980> someone who can help me join here #caboose_1980
[04:08] <elite101> how do i enable backports
[04:08] <stdin> !backports
[04:08] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[04:08] <aldcor> aldcor
[04:08] <dsmith> intelikey: thats dapper
[04:08] <caboose_1980> i need dapper-backports
[04:08] <stdin> !packages
[04:08] <dsmith> I was referring to upgrading from from to the other
[04:08] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[04:08] <ardchoille> caboose_1980: ARe you on dapper now?
[04:08] <stdin> ugg
[04:09] <intelikey> dsmith yeah but it was dapper when it was released and all the crap was breaking too
[04:09] <dsmith> like 6.10 to 7.04
[04:09] <BluesKaj> !upgrade
[04:09] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[04:09] <Schuenemann> How can I use arial font in kubuntu?
[04:09] <intelikey> dsmith oh.  well he wasn't refering to that i don't think
[04:09] <caboose_1980> oh im confused
[04:09] <dsmith> oh!...ok hehe
[04:09] <dr_willis> Schuenemann,  install the mstcorefont packages. and they should be in the fonts listings.
[04:09] <stdin> caboose_1980: take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:09] <hitmanWilly> no, just keeping the system up to date :)
[04:09] <ice9> I seem to be having some trouble getting Gens to work, the genesis emulator, anybody know anything about it?
[04:10] <Schuenemann> !info mstcorefont
[04:10] <ubotu> Package mstcorefont does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:10] <dsmith> it dont?
[04:10] <stdin> !info msttcorefonts
[04:10] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.8ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 34 kB, installed size 208 kB
[04:10] <stdin> Schuenemann: 2 t's
[04:10] <dsmith> ahhh thats it
[04:10] <dsmith> lol
[04:10] <Schuenemann> !info msttcorefont
[04:10] <ubotu> Package msttcorefont does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:10] <Schuenemann> heh
[04:10] <Schuenemann> but I see it in apt-cache
[04:11] <dsmith> and one 's'
[04:11] <Schuenemann> ?
[04:11] <stdin> Schuenemann: 2 t's and one s at the end :)
[04:11] <Schuenemann> doh
[04:11] <Schuenemann> !info msttcorefonts
[04:11] <elite101> carboose_1980: i need the same thing too? i dont know if u manually add them to adept?
[04:11] <caboose_1980> stdin: i have ubuntu not kubuntu
[04:11] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.8ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 34 kB, installed size 208 kB
[04:11] <Schuenemann> it's just an installer?
[04:11] <caboose_1980> *sigh*
[04:12] <caboose_1980> im going ot the other ubuntu channel
[04:12] <elite101> do u manualy type in the backport url and stuff into adept?
[04:12] <stdin> caboose_1980: then you should be asking in #ubuntu :p and here's the ubuntu link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[04:12] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, it grabs and installs the ms core fonts
[04:12] <Schuenemann> ok, thahnks
[04:12] <BluesKaj> well, it's been a long day here ...sacktime , nite all, take care
[04:13] <hamadooo> hi guys ..  want to reduse the light in my computer .... in ubuntu
[04:13] <hamadooo> i think reduse is wrong :>
[04:13] <hamadooo> hope you understand
[04:14] <stdin> hamadooo: what's your first language?
[04:15] <hamadooo> arabic lool
[04:15] <hamadooo> why
[04:15] <hamadooo> my english is bad i know :P
[04:15] <miles> !find openarena
[04:15] <ubotu> Found: openarena, openarena-data, openarena-server
[04:15] <miles> f yea
[04:15] <stdin> just looking for a local language channel for you
[04:15] <miles> im so gonna go pwn some no0bz
[04:15] <stdin> !arabic | hamadooo
[04:15] <ubotu> hamadooo: For the Arabic language or Saudi Arabia you are invited to join     #ubuntu-sa
[04:16] <hamadooo> oh cool
[04:16] <hamadooo> thanx man
[04:16] <stdin> makes it easier for you :)
[04:16] <hamadooo> i didnt know :>
[04:16] <[Apollo] > ok, bbl
[04:16] <[Apollo] -AFK> ice talkig to you all
[04:16] <[Apollo] -AFK> nice*
[04:16] <[Apollo] -AFK> talking*
[04:16] <Schuenemann> thanks
[04:16] <[Apollo] -AFK> doh
[04:16] <[Apollo] -AFK> my keyboard
[04:16] <hamadooo> but you know what .... no one in the channel im alone there lool
[04:17] <hamadooo> so im gonna stay here and askin about ubuntu and improve my english in the same time :P
[04:17] <[Apollo] -AFK> at
[04:17] <caboose_1980> all i want is flash and i get all this crap about dapper-backports and repositories and all this crap
[04:17] <[Apollo] -AFK> at the same time
[04:17] <[Apollo] -AFK> :P
[04:17] <hamadooo> loooooool ok
[04:17] <[Apollo] -AFK> hehe
[04:17] <[Apollo] -AFK> now I'm really AFK
[04:17] <rustalot> how do I get Kopete to log in to freenode properly?
[04:18] <Schuenemann> caboose_1980, flash is in those repositories
[04:18] <Biovore> rustalot: I use a real IRC client.. would work better..
[04:18] <hamadooo> lol
[04:18] <Schuenemann> hehe
[04:18] <rustalot> like Konversation?
[04:18] <Biovore> or kvirc
[04:18] <Biovore> or xchat..
[04:18] <Biovore> there about a million of them..
[04:18] <stdin> kvirc = dead
[04:18] <hitmanWilly> or irssi :P
[04:18] <Biovore> what!! no
[04:18] <stdin> irssi is nice :)
[04:18] <Biovore> www.kvirc.net
[04:18] <intelikey> bx
[04:18] <rustalot> so how do I set up Konversation?
[04:18] <intelikey> epic
[04:19] <stdin> Biovore: all development on it has ended
[04:19] <Schuenemann> rustalot, you're already on freenode, brother
[04:19] <Biovore> not according to there SVN logs..
[04:19] <stdin> rustalot: start it up, it's mostly already set up
[04:20] <DaSkreech> irssi!!!
[04:20] <DaSkreech> rustalot: alt+space -> konvi -> press enter -> press enter again
[04:21] <hamadooo> guys .. should i update my kernal from time to time or no need for that ??
[04:21] <Biovore> but kvirc.net site seems to be down..
[04:21] <intelikey> security
[04:21] <[Apollo] -AFK> aldcor
[04:22] <hamadooo> security ...... this is an answer ? :P
[04:22] <intelikey> tes
[04:22] <intelikey> yes
[04:22] <stdin> Biovore: what svn branch is it in?
[04:22] <DaSkreech> hamadooo: If you like :)
[04:22] <hamadooo> ok :)
[04:22] <Biovore> 2.3.6
[04:22] <DaSkreech> hamadooo: I only do it if I need hardware to work (better) or security updates
[04:22] <caboose_1980> ok ive done all the repositories now what?
[04:23] <hamadooo> and is it easy to update the kernal
[04:23] <Biovore> 3.2.6
[04:23] <Biovore> I check it out a week ago..
[04:23] <Biovore> theres life on #kvirc
[04:23] <rustalot> basically I see no reason to use irssi or some other command line IRC client
[04:23] <Schuenemann> caboose_1980, sorry, at which step are we?
[04:23] <hitmanWilly> hamadooo, once its in the repos, yes, otherwise no
[04:23] <caboose_1980> im done with the repositories i think
[04:24] <Schuenemann> did you install flash?
[04:24] <caboose_1980> join this #caboose_1980
[04:24] <hamadooo> i afraid doing this may make some troubles to my ubuntu
[04:24] <hamadooo> cuz in 3 days i made format 3 times
[04:24] <DaSkreech> hamadooo: You can jump back  to the old kernel if you want
[04:25] <DaSkreech> It keeps it around
[04:25] <DaSkreech> saved my butt at least one
[04:25] <DaSkreech> once
[04:25] <hamadooo> ok i wanna check which kernal i have now ?? how to do that ??
[04:25] <stdin> hamadooo: uname -r
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> hamadooo, uname -r
[04:26] <klobster> is there any programs to make a DVD or vcd out of my avi files?
[04:26] <stdin> hamadooo: in konsole
[04:26] <hamadooo> ok
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> klobster, k3b
[04:26] <stdin> klobster: I think devede can do it too
[04:26] <hamadooo> command not found ?
[04:26] <hamadooo> hamadooo -r
[04:27] <intelikey> hamadooo also no one answered your Q    yes it's easy to update the kernel if the "main-security" repository is enabled   you just    sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:27] <stdin> hamadooo: the command is "uname -r"
[04:27] <hitmanWilly> hamadooo, no, uname -r is the cmd
[04:27] <Schuenemann> devede is cool
[04:27] <klobster> hitmanWilly: that emovix option?  I was about to try it, but is there a program that will help me to write menu's etc?
[04:27] <DaSkreech> hamadooo: uname not your name
[04:27] <hamadooo> aha ok
[04:27] <Schuenemann> devede can covert to dvd, svcd, vcd...
[04:27] <hamadooo> intelikey ... so i don't need to compile anything ????
[04:27] <intelikey> no
[04:27] <hitmanWilly> klobster, not sure, don't really do that myself...
[04:28] <klobster> devede looks interesting.
[04:28] <stdin> hamadooo: you probably don't want to compile your own kernel, unless you have some special requirements
[04:28] <stdin> besides, it takes _forever_ :p
[04:28] <hitmanWilly> stdin, not on my box :P
[04:29] <hamadooo> now i have this .... 2.6.20-16
[04:29] <redshadowhero> I've decided that I don't like eclipse... where can I find javac and java commands?
[04:29] <hamadooo> is that the last one ?
[04:29] <hitmanWilly> hamadooo, that's the newest ubuntu one then
[04:29] <aldcor> aldcor
[04:29] <intelikey> hamadooo perhaps i answered too quickly.   if you did not compile your vidio driver or your kernel   then no you don't need to compile to update your kernel
[04:29] <stdin> hitmanWilly: takes about an hour on my 2.8GHz box
[04:29] <Schuenemann> !aptfix
[04:29] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[04:29] <hamadooo> ok thanx :)
[04:29] <hitmanWilly> stdin, that's an ubuntu kernel for ya :)
[04:30] <hitmanWilly> stdin, about 15 mins on my gentoo box with a 2.2 ghz amd :)
[04:31] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: Moooo
[04:31] <stdin> hitmanWilly: I'll have to do a benchmark, it's been a while since I've compiled a kernel (I think it was 2.6.15)
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> stdin, but that's HEAVILY stripped down....
[04:32] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: I know it's naked
[04:32] <DaSkreech> +
[04:32] <intelikey> hitmanWilly actually  that's bloat for you.   i compiled several kernels on this 350mhz box in less than an hour,   just don't build everything you know you will never need on there.
[04:33] <hitmanWilly> DaSkreech, not quite naked, more of a thong bikini :)
[04:33] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, and, yes it actually is bloated for a gentoo box
[04:33] <ice9> I seem to be having some trouble getting Gens to work, the genesis emulator, anybody know anything about it?
[04:34] <dr_willis> ice9,  clarify the problem?
[04:34] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: Ohh ohhhhh! Oh my eyes!
[04:34] <Schuenemann> !doesn't work | ice9
[04:34] <ubotu> ice9: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[04:34] <hitmanWilly> lol
[04:34] <dr_willis> !find gens
[04:34] <ubotu> Found: python-genshi
[04:34] <ice9> well its a sound issue, when I play a rom, the sound is slow and staticy, but if I minimize the Gens window, it speeds up and sounds crystal clear
[04:35] <dr_willis> where did ya get gens from anyway
[04:35] <dr_willis> !find sega
[04:35] <ubotu> Found: rosegarden, rosegarden-data, rosegarden2, rosegarden4
[04:35] <DaSkreech> hitmanWilly: Now I'm seeing linus in a tho... ohhh
[04:35] <dr_willis> dgen - Sega Genesis/MegaDrive emulator
[04:36] <ice9> I get it here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=290008
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> DaSkreech, go to sleep with that in your head tonight >:)
[04:37] <DaSkreech> No I'm already using mental floss
[04:38] <miles> omg i was pwnin some no0bs in openarena
[04:39] <Biovore> hmm open arean / q3 ripp off..  but its fun still.. hehe
[04:41] <Schuenemann> omg... I need a font called Blair or a very similar one
[04:41] <ice9> so anybody have an idea about my sound issue?
[04:41] <intelikey> !fonts
[04:41] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[04:42] <Schuenemann> intelikey, how can I search if that font is available?
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[04:42] <Schuenemann> =(
[04:45] <dr_willis> what is asking for a blair font?
[04:45] <Schuenemann> I am
[04:45] <Schuenemann> you have it?
[04:45] <dr_willis> google i guess.. ive never seen or heard of it.
[04:45] <Schuenemann> http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/7418/logohc2.jpg
[04:45] <dr_willis> where did it originally come from?
[04:45] <Schuenemann> it's the lower one
[04:45] <Schuenemann> from Tony Blair maybe... I don't know
[04:46] <DaSkreech> I would so use a font naemd Tony
[04:46] <elite101> why no the Diablo font
[04:46] <elite101> not*
[04:46] <Schuenemann> does it look like blair?
[04:47] <elite101> no its the one thats on fire
[04:47] <elite101> it just looks cool
[04:47] <Schuenemann> but I need the one in that logo
[04:47] <elite101> what logo?
[04:47] <dr_willis> find some font archives and start looking i guess.
[04:47] <Schuenemann> http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/7418/logohc2.jpg
[04:48] <Schuenemann> dr_willis, no! I prefer to reinstall kubuntu and compile every program from source
[04:48] <elite101> i am using word perfect in scho fimilar with some fonts and what they look like
[04:48] <elite101> school*
[04:49] <Biovore> word perfect has a port for linux as well :-P
[04:49] <elite101> whats thego for?
[04:49] <elite101> do u need the exact one? try arial black
[04:49] <Schuenemann> elite101, I don't understand
[04:49] <elite101> logo
[04:49] <Schuenemann> arial black is the upper one
[04:50] <elite101> my computer is freezing im udapteing and downloading and calculating disc space and on kopete
[04:50] <elite101> so i type and backspace and it doesnt show it lol
[04:50] <elite101> but do u need the acutal font to inport to something? the font looks like Arial Black
[04:50] <elite101> maybe bolded too
[04:51] <Schuenemann> I need the font of that logo
[04:51] <elite101> so exact colour and everything
[04:51] <Schuenemann> ?
[04:51] <elite101> Use arial black if it doesnt work try to find the source of this pic see if someone put a caption or something on it like the font and say 192X272 frame?
[04:52] <elite101> there should be some info if u look this up on google.com/images
[04:52] <Schuenemann> I used... it says the font name is blair or signa
[04:52] <elite101> some pics will include on ppls site
[04:52] <DaSkreech> no offense
[04:52] <elite101> and u cant find the font type rite
[04:52] <DaSkreech> what does this have to do with Kubuntu?
[04:53] <Schuenemann> well, it started as "does kubuntu have this font" ?
[04:53] <elite101> what do u need the font for?
[04:53] <elite101> try searching in kubuntu the fonts and see if its there
[04:53] <elite101> if not try to find a font archive like what someone said upthere^
[04:54] <elite101> download it and see if it works?
[04:58] <Schuenemann> is it possible to upgrade from dapper to feisty via apt-get?
[04:59] <crimsun> Schuenemann: yes, via edgy.
[04:59] <Schuenemann> so, can't be from dapper to feisty?
[04:59] <crimsun> it works for some people [depending on your subset of installed packages] 
[05:00] <wolferine> Schuenemann, no
[05:00] <crimsun> it is not supported.
[05:00] <Schuenemann> hmm
[05:00] <stdin> see the upgrade guide
[05:00] <stdin> !upgrade
[05:00] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[05:00] <crimsun> a _base_ (ubuntu-minimal) dapper install will dist-upgrade to feisty directly, yes.  I highly doubt you have simply a base install.
[05:01] <Schuenemann> alright...
[05:08] <randy> Okay guys, Im getting mad again. My sound stopped working >_<
[05:08] <randy> !sound
[05:08] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:11] <wolferine> randy, explain
[05:12] <wolferine> whinning will do nothing for you
[05:12] <randy> im going through the sound blaster audigy setup
[05:12] <wolferine> randy, and?
[05:13] <randy> im gonna try to finish it to see if that helps XD
[05:13] <randy> i had it working automatically before w/o this setup
[05:13] <randy> but it just quit on me
[05:14] <wolferine> keep your questions to one line please
[05:24] <mboso> I installed gutsygibson because I couldn't wait to try KDE 4, but the KDE that i logged into is verison 3.5.7
[05:24] <mboso> what do I have to do go get kde4?
[05:25] <mboso> i actually upgraded to ubuntu 7.10 then did apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> mboso, there should be a seperate kde4 repo, not sure what it is
[05:27] <DaSkreech> mboso: Umm why didn't you just install KDE4 ?
[05:27] <DaSkreech> Wouldn't that have been less painful
[05:27] <DaSkreech> also I hope you really like a) svn updates and compiling or b) bug reports
[05:28] <DaSkreech> and by bug reports I mean patchhes
[05:28] <falcon41> holo
[05:28] <falcon41> hola
[05:28] <mboso> I wanted to do try out gutsy anyway, kde4 made the decision easier
[05:29] <mboso> DaSkreech: yeah, doesn't bother me. been fixing broken debian/ubuntu install for years.
[05:29] <falcon41> ghfwefhg
[05:29] <DaSkreech> mboso: lookit kubuntu.org for the kde4 repo
[05:29] <falcon41> } hola
[05:30] <DaSkreech> I think under Gutsy there is an option to apt-get install kde4
[05:30] <DaSkreech>  I may be wrong
[05:35] <stdin> there are only the alpha KDE4 packages
[05:35] <DaSkreech> stdin: Well duh :)
[05:35] <stdin> KDE4 is nowhere near ready to run on the desktop
[05:36] <DaSkreech> Yeah apparently he doesn't care about that
[05:36] <mboso> its not my main machine so I can live with it.
[05:36] <stdin> mboso: and KDE4 won't ship in gutsy by default, neither in gutsy+1
[05:37] <DaSkreech> Mebbe not gutsy +2 either
[05:37] <stdin> it may be stable enough by then, but no guarantees :p
[05:38] <khaije1> fwiw fedora 8 will ship kde4 by default
[05:38] <DaSkreech> stdin: that might be LTS so I don't think they would chance that
[05:38] <DaSkreech> khaije1: Yeah I saw
[05:38] <stdin> DaSkreech: no gutsy+1 will be LTS
[05:38] <DaSkreech> apparently no KDE3 either
[05:38] <DaSkreech> by default
[05:38] <stdin> khaije1: yeah, but KDE4 won't be out by then :p
[05:39] <DaSkreech> stdin: when was that decided?
[05:39] <DaSkreech> stdin: It will 4 days before I think
[05:39] <stdin> DaSkreech: not sure, but JRiddell announced it at aKadamy
[05:40] <DaSkreech> Riddell: ping ?
[05:40] <khaije1> stdin: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureKDE4
[05:40] <stdin> I was in #kde (or was it #konversation), but anyway, there will be a "release" of KDE4 by the time fedora comes out, but it'll be more of a RC
[05:41] <edgar> can someone help me?
[05:41] <DaSkreech> !ask
[05:41] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:41] <redshadowhero> are there any utilities for burning a .iso to a disk on kubuntu
[05:41] <DaSkreech> stdin: Fedora is coming out in November. I think that's enough time
[05:42] <stdin> k3b
[05:42] <edgar> um
[05:42] <edgar> I need
[05:42] <DaSkreech> !someone
[05:42] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[05:42] <edgar> to setup wireless internet here
[05:42] <edgar> but its not working
[05:42] <edgar> :(
[05:42] <DaSkreech> !wireless
[05:42] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:42] <edgar> idk how to follow that
[05:42] <edgar> :(
[05:42] <stdin> redshadowhero: k3b is installed by default, it's in the multimedia menu
[05:42] <redshadowhero> stdin: thanks, I didn't know what could do it.
[05:42] <DaSkreech> edgar: open it and read it. where you need help we will step in
[05:42] <edgar> ok
[05:43] <edgar> how do i find
[05:43] <edgar> my card?
[05:43] <intelikey> will this work ?   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38415
[05:43] <edgar> i dont know the name of it
[05:43] <DaSkreech> edgar: the instructiosn for that are at that page
[05:43] <DaSkreech>  WiFihowTo
[05:43] <stdin> DaSkreech: KDE4 development is currently *way* behind atm, it probably won't be a full release by then, but hopefully not far off
[05:44] <DaSkreech> KDE4.0 won't be a full release by anymeans in any case
[05:44] <khaije1> anyone know if autocomplete is avialable for python in kdevelop?
[05:44] <edgar> i dont got a wireless router
[05:44] <DaSkreech>  There should be a list of things that >wont< ship with KDE 4.0
[05:44] <edgar> i steal my signal
[05:44] <stoned> what?
[05:44] <stoned> why?
[05:44] <edgar> Cause its there? :|
[05:44] <stoned> what/
[05:44] <edgar> and its expensive in Dominican Republic
[05:44] <stoned> weed?
[05:45] <edgar> hat?
[05:45] <stoned> what?
[05:45] <edgar> whaT?
[05:45] <edgar> wtf?
[05:45] <stoned> what are you talking about ?
[05:45] <DaSkreech> stoned: Stop smoking. He's talking about wireless signal
[05:45] <edgar> man
[05:45] <stoned> dude stop smoking crack.
[05:45] <stdin> intelikey: well, just looking at the bottom, I noticed you don't supply any arguments to SERVER and CLIENT
[05:45] <edgar> wtf did yall link me to?
[05:45] <edgar> idk any of this
[05:45] <edgar> cant someone explain to me step by step what to do?
[05:46] <DaSkreech> edgar: Did you see the link on WifiHowto ?
[05:46] <stoned> ohhhh
[05:46] <edgar> yea
[05:46] <stoned> steal my signal
[05:46] <intelikey> yeah stdin just caught that my self
[05:46] <stoned> the wording threw me off
[05:46] <stoned> how can you steal your own signal?
[05:46] <edgar> i dont got a router
[05:46] <intelikey> stdin   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38416
[05:46] <stoned> but then I realized he is stealing wireless signal from elsewhere
[05:46] <DaSkreech> edgar: what don't you understand?
[05:46] <edgar> so wtf am in this page for?
[05:46] <edgar> anything
[05:46] <edgar> why am i even in this page?
[05:46] <DaSkreech> edgar: what are you asking about?
[05:46] <intelikey> stdin also the set -e was on the wrong line
[05:47] <edgar> i want to use wireless internet
[05:47] <stdin> yeah, I noticed that too
[05:47] <edgar> but it doesnt show it here
[05:47] <edgar> it says my wireless device
[05:47] <edgar> is disabled
[05:48] <edgar> hello?
[05:48] <samaris> hi
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> edgar, are you using knetwork manager to set this up?
[05:49] <edgar> yea
[05:49] <edgar> knetwork manager
[05:50] <hitmanWilly> edgar, what exactly is it saying?
[05:50] <stdin> intelikey: I'd move line 92 to after you check for the daemon or non of the variables will be set
[05:50] <stdin> intelikey: in SERVER()
[05:50] <edgar> it says
[05:50] <edgar> no wireless network found
[05:50] <edgar> and then
[05:50] <edgar> when i got ot
[05:50] <edgar> manual configuration
[05:50] <edgar> it says wireless device disabled
[05:51] <stoned> hey!
[05:51] <stoned> stop stealing stuff.
[05:51] <hitmanWilly> edgar, ok, did you try enabling it?
[05:52] <cdnpenguin> edgar: what does lspci say about your wireless card?
[05:52] <intelikey> line 92 ???
[05:52] <edgar> yea
[05:52] <edgar> i tried
[05:52] <edgar> hold up
[05:52] <cdnpenguin> eg mine says: 01:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01)
[05:52] <edgar> let me do it again
[05:52] <edgar> to show u what it says
[05:52] <edgar> when i right click
[05:53] <edgar> and do enable interface
[05:53] <edgar> it doesnt do anything
[05:53] <cdnpenguin> also, running iwconfig by itself should list your wireless devices
[05:53] <hitmanWilly> edgar, can you pastebin the output of iwconfig?
[05:53] <stdin> intelikey: [ -r /etc/default/$NAME ]  && . /etc/default/$NAME
[05:53] <DaSkreech> !paste
[05:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:53] <edgar> i go to a terminal
[05:53] <edgar> and put
[05:53] <edgar> iwconfig?
[05:53] <cdnpenguin> yes
[05:53] <edgar> sudo iwconfig ?
[05:53] <edgar> or just iwconfig?
[05:53] <hitmanWilly> edgar, yes, that should list any wireless devices on the system
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> edgar, either or
[05:54] <intelikey> stdin  yeah i know where line 92 is  just don't see what you are saying
[05:54] <cdnpenguin> either or should work
[05:54] <cdnpenguin> as a regular user iwconfig will not let you make changes
[05:54] <intelikey> oh wait i think i got it.
[05:55] <stdin> intelikey: you should move that to after you check for and install dnsmasq, or after dnsmasq is installed you don't source the config
[05:55] <cdnpenguin> but you do not need root or sudo to see if your card is supported
[05:55] <edgar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30860/
[05:55] <edgar> there
[05:55] <intelikey>     DAEMON=/usr/sbin/dnsmasq
[05:55] <intelikey>     test -x $DAEMON || apt-get install dnsmasq
[05:55] <intelikey> move the test up to 90
[05:56] <edgar> u talking to me?
[05:56] <hitmanWilly> edgar, ugh, broadcom cards...
[05:56] <intelikey> edgar no
[05:56] <cdnpenguin> I have a broadcomm, works fine
[05:57] <cdnpenguin> I am using the bcm43xx driver in the 2.6.22 kernel
[05:57] <cdnpenguin> but the ndiswrapper has worked in the past, the fact that iwconfig shows something here is promising
[05:57] <stdin> edgar: you need to reassociate with the access point
[05:57] <hitmanWilly> cdnpenguin, we actually have broadcom drivers now? wow...
[05:57] <edgar> how?
[05:57] <cdnpenguin> yuo
[05:57] <cdnpenguin> erm yup
[05:57] <cdnpenguin> I am using it right now
[05:58] <cdnpenguin> first of all edgar, is this a laptop your are on?
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> so no more "this laptop doesn't use broadcom for wifi, right?"
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> :)
[05:58] <edgar> yea
[05:58] <edgar> :)
[05:58] <cdnpenguin> well, I still have an unholy hate on for broadcomm
[05:58] <intelikey> stdin yeah i had all the test/install lines up top then as an after thought mofed them within respective functions...    so   if you notice anything else that looks out of place just  kick me.      that was the rough draft anyway
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> like me with ati...
[05:59] <hitmanWilly> anyway...
[05:59] <cdnpenguin> and supposedly there is not full throughput yet, which is not an issue at my apartment (too many other APs to get even close)
[05:59] <cdnpenguin> me and ATI as well
[06:00] <hitmanWilly> edgar, anyway, do you know the name of the network you are trying to reach?
[06:00] <cdnpenguin> iwlist eth1 scanning
[06:00] <hitmanWilly> or that works too :)
[06:00] <edgar> linkseys
[06:00] <edgar> is one
[06:01] <edgar> dont remember the others
[06:01] <mortici> whats the best way to upgrade to kubuntu 7.04
[06:01] <cdnpenguin> sudo iwconfig eth1 essid linksys
[06:01] <hitmanWilly> cdnpenguin, you'd better take it from here, my wifi is pretty rusty...
[06:01] <cdnpenguin> I have been a long time wifi user
[06:02] <cdnpenguin> more of a lontime wifi fighter
[06:02] <hitmanWilly> lol
[06:02] <edgar> so
[06:02] <edgar> should i put that?
[06:02] <redshadowhero> wifi fighter?
[06:02] <cdnpenguin> this stuff always seems to fight you the whole way
[06:02] <redshadowhero> thats classic
[06:02] <hitmanWilly> mine works, i just almost never use it (intel chipset)
[06:02] <intelikey> i'm a one day networker   PERIOD
[06:03] <edgar> sudo iwconfig eth1 essid linksys
[06:03] <edgar> ?
[06:03] <cdnpenguin> looks right
[06:03] <edgar> nothing happend
[06:03] <cdnpenguin> then dhclient3 eth1
[06:03] <cdnpenguin> should grab an IP
[06:04] <cdnpenguin> before you try that
[06:04] <cdnpenguin> if you cannot connect, try ifdown eth0
[06:04] <hitmanWilly> cdnpenguin, see if its even up? ie ifup?
[06:04] <hitmanWilly> :)
[06:04] <cdnpenguin> tough to tell
[06:04] <stdin> intelikey: I'd do a check to make sure all the tools are installed, like dnsmasq, ipmasq and ipmasq-kmod too
[06:05] <cdnpenguin> when I first got this laptop, the card would associate and then die after ~200 KB
[06:05] <edgar> shits fialing
[06:05] <edgar> :(
[06:05] <edgar> failing
[06:05] <hitmanWilly> edgar, can you paste the output of the ifdown cmd?
[06:05] <cdnpenguin> does iwlist eth1 scanning do anything?
[06:05] <intelikey> stdin did i miss some?   checked for ssh iptables and dnsmasq   i think they will depend on the rest
[06:06] <cdnpenguin> one cool thing about the kernel drivers for the bcm43xx is that kismet works with them
[06:06] <edgar> edgar@edgar-laptop:~$ ifdown cmd
[06:06] <edgar> ifdown: failed to open statefile /var/run/network/ifstate: Permission denied
[06:06] <edgar> edgar
[06:06] <stdin> intelikey: ahh, yes. <- brain fart
[06:06] <cdnpenguin> I never did get the ndiswrapper to work with kismet
[06:06] <cdnpenguin> sudo ifdown
[06:06] <cdnpenguin> it will take your wired network offline
[06:06] <hitmanWilly> edgar, sorry, sudo ifdown eth1
[06:07] <cdnpenguin> so don't do it until you get an ip from the wireless lan
[06:07] <stdin> intelikey: and where is ip.conf from?
[06:08] <edgar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30862/
[06:08] <intelikey> stdin i use it to set static ips for several boxen.          [ -f /etc/ip.conf ]  && . /etc/ip.conf || Q='192.168.0.2'
[06:08] <intelikey> stdin if it's not there it just defaults to 192.168.0.2
[06:08] <stdin> intelikey: yeah, I was just woundering
[06:08] <intelikey> server defaults to  192.168.0.1
[06:08] <edgar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30862/
[06:09] <edgar> thats what it did
[06:09] <stdin> intelikey: oh, and you seem to still start sshd even if /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run exists
[06:09] <hitmanWilly> edgar, ok now sudo ifup eth1
[06:10] <intelikey> stdin hmmmm  i'll  look into that.
[06:10] <cdnpenguin> ifup only really works if there is an entry in /etc/network/interfaces
[06:10] <stdin> intelikey: you run the test, then exit 0 anyway. but there is no test on the functions exit status anyway, just the test
[06:11] <cdnpenguin> edgar: what happens when you try this command:
[06:11] <klobster> if I install the libcdio-cdda0 and libcdio-paranoia0 wwill my cd rippers rip digitally, or do i need to configure something?
[06:11] <cdnpenguin> lsmod |grep 80211
[06:11] <intelikey>          have to barrow this monitor for a minute.   but i'll bring it back.
[06:11] <edgar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30863/
[06:11] <edgar> that
[06:12] <Agent_137> grrr.
[06:12] <Agent_137> i keep getting "enter valid installation path" when i try to get the flash tarball installed
[06:12] <Agent_137> and i'm wondering if i can't just drag the contents into the right spot with a sudo'd konqueror
[06:12] <hitmanWilly> cdnpenguin, ok, this has officially jumped past my wifi knowledge level
[06:12] <cdnpenguin> heh heh
[06:13] <cdnpenguin> its not that bad
[06:13] <cdnpenguin> I am just trying to figure out what driver he has loaded
[06:13] <hitmanWilly> cdnpenguin, i figured what with the lsmod and all :)
[06:13] <stdin> edgar: post what "iwlist eth1 scann" shows to pastebin
[06:13] <edgar> sudo?
[06:14] <edgar> sudo iwlist eth1 scann?
[06:14] <stdin> edgar: no sudo, and only 1 n
[06:14] <cdnpenguin> I don't need it
[06:14] <intelikey> ok sdtin i'll make the /usr/bin/sshd  a variable and if that test fails i'll blank it    errr set it to  :
[06:14] <stdin> typo
[06:14] <cdnpenguin> iwlist eth1 scanning
[06:14] <stdin> cdnpenguin: scan == scanning
[06:14] <edgar> no scan results
[06:14] <stdin> it's a "shortcut" to it
[06:14] <mortici> whats the best way to upgrade to kubuntu 7.04
[06:14] <mortici> from 6.10
[06:15] <hitmanWilly> !upgrade | mortici
[06:15] <ubotu> mortici: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[06:15] <cdnpenguin> I edited /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:15] <edgar> :|
[06:15] <cdnpenguin> changed edgy to feisty
[06:15] <hitmanWilly> mortici, do you have /home on a seperate partition?
[06:15] <cdnpenguin> then aptitude dist-upgrade
[06:15] <mortici> no i don't think so
[06:16] <mortici> no i don't
[06:16] <edgar> man
[06:16] <hitmanWilly> mortici, then i would suggest what cdnpenguin said
[06:16] <cdnpenguin> that is not neccesarily the "best" or "easiest" way :)
[06:16] <edgar> ubuntu is too damn complicated
[06:16] <stdin> intelikey: you could just wrap check_for_no_start in an if statement, and change the exit code to 1 if the no-run file exists
[06:16] <cdnpenguin> compared to what edgar
[06:16] <edgar> they need to make a dvd one with everything included
[06:16] <edgar> windows
[06:16] <cdnpenguin> ah
[06:16] <cdnpenguin> I thought you might be a troll
[06:16] <edgar> damn why kubuntu gotta be so beautiful
[06:17] <edgar> what?
[06:17] <cdnpenguin> nothing works like you describe on windows either
[06:17] <edgar> :o
[06:17] <edgar> have u been toying with me?
[06:17] <intelikey> well stdin after review it seems that if the nostartup is there then the script exits   so it's sufficient
[06:17] <cdnpenguin> my Dad;s laptop is a case in point
[06:17] <cdnpenguin> no, I am trying to help
[06:17] <edgar> but u said im a troll :o
[06:17] <stdin> intelikey: ah, ok
[06:17] <cdnpenguin> some very smart people helped me, I am taking my turn :)
[06:18] <hitmanWilly> edgar, no, he said he thought you *might* be one
[06:18] <cdnpenguin> well, bringing up the windows comparison is flame bait
[06:18] <edgar> i think some things like a wireless card, should not be this hard
[06:18] <DaSkreech> in any case
[06:18] <DaSkreech> edgar: based on what?
[06:18] <cdnpenguin> and yes, I was specific in my choice of words :)
[06:18] <cdnpenguin> this is not a technical problem
[06:18] <edgar> out of the box stuff
[06:18] <cdnpenguin> it is easy with the proper hardware
[06:19] <cdnpenguin> it is broadcomms fault
[06:19] <edgar> :
[06:19] <edgar> (
[06:19] <cdnpenguin> not linux
[06:19] <edgar> :(
[06:19] <hitmanWilly> edgar, broadcom cards are notoriously bad for linux compatibility
[06:19] <cdnpenguin> edgar, one final command for you
[06:19] <edgar> man, i love this kubuntu. Looking beautiful. Now I might have to go back to windows. Screw you Bill you win again :(
[06:20] <edgar> whats the command sir?
[06:20] <cdnpenguin> uname -r
[06:20] <DaSkreech> edgar: how are you on the net btw?
[06:21] <cdnpenguin> btw, on my last laptop, I had a Prism54 card supported out of the box
[06:21] <edgar> ethernet
[06:21] <cdnpenguin> which was better than windows on the very same laptop
[06:21] <edgar> dell makes ubuntu laptops now
[06:21] <edgar> 8)
[06:21] <edgar> they need to put kubuntu
[06:21] <edgar> kde > wack fat gnome
[06:21] <DaSkreech> preach :)
[06:22] <stdin> edgar: it's only an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop away
[06:22] <edgar> yea but sometimes it screws up
[06:22] <edgar> good for dell though
[06:22] <cdnpenguin> on a clean install it shouldn't
[06:22] <edgar> not being bastards and all
[06:22] <cdnpenguin> and don't touch /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:23] <cdnpenguin> and stay away from automatix
[06:23] <hitmanWilly> cdnpenguin, heh, my intel card works flawlessly on my hp
[06:23] <hitmanWilly> cdnpenguin, so well, in fact, ive forgotten most of my cmd line wifi stuff
[06:23] <edgar> what was that last command?
[06:24] <DaSkreech> I've never had to get Wifi to work
[06:24] <edgar> man look at that dell laptop they got for 774, beautiful
[06:24] <edgar> $774
[06:24] <cdnpenguin> uname -r
[06:25] <edgar> 2.6.20-15-generic
[06:25] <cdnpenguin> ok, and then what about "lsmod |grep 80211"
[06:27] <cdnpenguin> ya, intel may have turned a page with their linux support
[06:27] <edgar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30867/
[06:27] <edgar> what u mean?
[06:27] <edgar> intel is bad or good?
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> edgar, good as of late
[06:28] <DaSkreech> they have open source drivers
[06:28] <cdnpenguin> edgar:
[06:28] <cdnpenguin> sudo aptitude install bcm43xx-fwcutter
[06:29] <edgar> ayo
[06:29] <edgar> domincian republic is full of crooks
[06:29] <edgar> so if i gotta download something
[06:29] <edgar> it might take a while lol
[06:30] <edgar> thier internet only goes to 384/downstread
[06:30] <edgar> strema
[06:30] <DaSkreech> Not following that logic at all
[06:30] <edgar> its slow internet
[06:30] <cdnpenguin> it should not be that big of a download
[06:31] <cdnpenguin> where I live we have sick bandwidth
[06:31] <cdnpenguin> a local ISP offers 25Mbit connection
[06:31] <edgar> DAMN
[06:31] <cdnpenguin> I had it for a month, and it was as fast as advertised
[06:31] <edgar> wheres that?
[06:31] <edgar> must be FIOS
[06:31] <cdnpenguin> Calgary
[06:31] <cdnpenguin> in Canada
[06:32] <cdnpenguin> I am now slumming it on a 10 Mbit connection
[06:32] <cdnpenguin> for less than $50 CDN
[06:32] <edgar> lucky bastard
[06:32] <edgar> i lived in NC
[06:32] <cdnpenguin> the joys of 2 massive ISPs going head to head for 15 years
[06:32] <edgar> we would be the last state
[06:32] <edgar> to get FIOS
[06:32] <cdnpenguin> this is over cable
[06:33] <cdnpenguin> so pretty much the whole city has access
[06:33] <cdnpenguin> our telco and cable companies have fibre everywhere
[06:33] <hitmanWilly> cdnpenguin, heh, paying almost that much for a lousy 400k...
[06:34] <cdnpenguin> I have wanted to live elsewhere for 10 years
[06:34] <hitmanWilly> cdnpenguin, well, that and cable
[06:34] <cdnpenguin> but I can't leave my bandwidth behind
[06:35] <edgar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30868/
[06:35] <edgar> did yall get that paste?
[06:36] <clever_> alguem pode me ensinar a instalar programas no ubuntu studio/
[06:37] <DaSkreech> !br
[06:37] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[06:37] <DaSkreech> I think :)
[06:37] <DaSkreech> !ubuntustudio
[06:37] <ubotu> ubuntustudio is a site for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best parts of Audio/Graphical/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories, and extra! Available at http://www.ubuntustudio.com. Or visit #ubuntustudio.
[06:37] <edgar> usted
[06:37] <edgar> sabes espanol?
[06:37] <NickPresta> !javaws
[06:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about javaws - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:37] <DaSkreech> !es
[06:37] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:38] <DaSkreech> !java | NickPresta
[06:38] <ubotu> NickPresta: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:38] <klobster> what is the command to test speed on your hard drives?
[06:38] <DaSkreech> hdparm
[06:38] <klobster> does it work for cd drives?
[06:38] <NickPresta> DaSkreech, I already have all the sun-java6-* packages but apparently they don't include javaws when the java5 packages did.
[06:39] <cdnpenguin> dpkg-reconfigure bcm43xx-fwcutter
[06:39] <DaSkreech> ok
[06:39] <DaSkreech> no clue :)
[06:39] <edgar> for me?
[06:39] <edgar> ?
[06:40] <cdnpenguin> yes
[06:40] <DaSkreech> edgar: No for NickPresta
[06:40] <edgar> but he just said it was for me
[06:40] <edgar> dpkg-reconfigure bcm43xx-fwcutter
[06:40] <DaSkreech> sudo I think
[06:40] <edgar> da
[06:40] <edgar> edgar@edgar-laptop:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure bcm43xx-fwcutter
[06:40] <edgar> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: bcm43xx-fwcutter is broken or not fully installed
[06:41] <cdnpenguin> sudo aptitude reinstall bcm43xx-fwcutter
[06:43] <khaije1> isn't there a cd maintained somewhere with FOSS apps for windows?
[06:43] <khaije1> i'm looking for it now and can't remember what it was called....
[06:43] <edgar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30870/
[06:46] <cdnpenguin> there is something messed with your install edgar
[06:46] <cdnpenguin> I would also do the "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"
[06:46] <edgar> oh ye
[06:46] <edgar> i aint upgraded
[06:46] <edgar> and with only 30kbps
[06:46] <edgar> i aint going to. Ill just install windows :/
[06:47] <edgar> thhanks for your help
[06:47] <khaije1> edgar: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:47] <cdnpenguin> he is "free" to do what he wants
[06:47] <cdnpenguin> ditto
[06:47] <DaSkreech> edgar: upgraded ?
[06:48] <cdnpenguin> I no longer have the fight to jest about conversions anymore :)
[06:48] <edgar> ?
[06:49] <cdnpenguin> I have been a linux user for a long time
[06:49] <DaSkreech> cdnpenguin: http://www.thewebsbest.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=70&Itemid=27
[06:49] <elite101> help my kopete froze i cant rite click on it to close it at all
[06:49] <cdnpenguin> I am not going to convert any more than I have
[06:49] <edgar> man i love kubuntu
[06:49] <edgar> :(
[06:49] <khaije1> cdnpenguin: still a failed linux baptism, is kinda sad
[06:49] <hitmanWilly> elite101, alt-f2, then xkill
[06:49] <hitmanWilly> elite101, then click on the window
[06:49] <edgar> and i want a linux laptop but their video card sucks on the cheap one
[06:50] <elite101> thanks
[06:50] <hitmanWilly> elite101, nice little rick to remember
[06:50] <Daisuke_Ido> edgar: go with an intel chipset.  it sounds like a bad idea, i know, but they're well supported :)
[06:50] <hitmanWilly> *trick
[06:50] <edgar> man i think thats what i had in my old PC
[06:51] <edgar> shit was trash
[06:51] <edgar> on linux
[06:51] <edgar> super slow
[06:51] <edgar> 1gig ram too
[06:51] <edgar> :(
[06:51] <edgar> everyone kept saying it was the video card
[06:51] <edgar> and i had the intel chipset
[06:51] <edgar> but it couldnt get fixed
[06:51] <intelikey> ok it works on both the server and client end,  can be called as an init script or not.     http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38418
[06:51] <cdnpenguin> that was funny skreech
[06:51] <hitmanWilly> elite101, that's another nice thing about linux, you can kill just about anything instantly either that way or via cmd line
[06:52] <intelikey> stdin i'm calling that finished     http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38418
[06:52] <intelikey> latereee  you all...
[06:53] <cdnpenguin> have a good night all
[06:54] <NickPresta> doesn't intelikey want a mkdir -p on line 32?
[07:05] <elite101> wow lol i used xkill on kopete missed the windows and hit the taskbar and it disapperd try to bring it up by clicking on the desktop it just went black the screen but i can still see my mouse
[07:06] <elite101> will kubuntu idle the hardrives after a while or shut them off i was going to leave my pc running overnight
[07:07] <DaSkreech> elite101: alt+ctrl+Esc
[07:07] <elite101> whats that for?
[07:07] <elite101> to get out of the black screen
[07:07] <elite101> nvm xkill shortcut
[07:08] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[07:09] <elite101> but will kubuntu idle my hardrive? and shut it off i dont wanna move themouse in the morning and then hear the harddrive click on so harshly
[07:09] <DaSkreech> I think so
[07:09] <elite101> i dont care if it idles but if it shuts off i am downloading from ktorrent
[07:11] <DaSkreech> then it it won't
[07:11] <evil-rhino> how do i set kedit (instead of kate) as a default text editor?
[07:11] <elite101> okay
[07:12] <evil-rhino> er nevermind, i figured it out.
[07:28] <NickPresta> >_>
[07:29] <redshadowhero> What?
[07:37] <DaSkreech> !default
[07:37] <ubotu> To change the default application for a filetype in Nautilus, right-click on a file, select Properties -> Open With, and then change the setting. In Kubuntu, Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure and then hit "File Associations"
[07:40] <dsmith> !work
[07:40] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[07:41] <dsmith> omgBIllGates
[07:41] <dsmith> !omgBIllGates
[07:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about omgbillgates - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:41] <elite101> is FAMELIX any good of a linuxdistro for that windows kinda feeling
[07:41] <elite101> or P.u.d for mac look?
[07:41] <dsmith> im on factoids checking out the responses
[07:42] <elite101> well i gotta pack it in lol its 1:42 in the morning !!!
[07:43] <elite101> my eyes are starting to get blurry and i think i have a CRT sun burn!!! on my fave
[07:43] <elite101> face*
[07:43] <dsmith> dont you just hate those?
[07:44] <DaSkreech> elite101: Night!
[07:45] <elite101> lol
[07:45] <elite101> i will prob sleep in untill like 2pm in the afternoon samething everynight
[07:45] <elite101> bye
[08:08] <dotz> !psd
[08:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about psd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:08] <dotz> !photoshop
[08:08] <ubotu> A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[08:09] <dotz> hi is it possible to open photoshop psd files in kubuntu? i tried openning with krita it seems like the layers are wrong
[08:13] <NickPresta> dotz, try in The GIMP
[08:16] <dotz> oh ok
[08:20] <Mantan> I require assistance refinding or changing my password, I forgot it
[08:23] <Mantan> srsly guys. this is not cool. I need sum halp
[08:23] <Mantan> fyi I'm running off my kubuntu disk
[08:30] <Daisuke_Ido> well, there's no root account by default...  i suppose you could reinstall
[08:31] <jahshan> if you are on the install disk
[08:31] <jahshan> you can sudo to root
[08:31] <jahshan> and then run passwd -u *
[08:31] <jahshan> i think
[08:36] <fdoving> Riddell: thanks. kubuntu_95_safely-remove_umount_dialog.diff should be removed from kdebase too.
[08:38] <Mantan> how can you mount the hard drive while running from the kubuntu cdrom?
[08:39] <Mantan> i want to edit /etc/passwd from vi and remove the root password
[08:39] <Mantan> i don't think it's running shadow passwords
[08:39] <ejortegau> hey guys. Small question. I'm using kubuntu on my laptop, which has a synaptics touchpad. When I tell KDE to inver left and right buttons, it doesn't work... buttons are still right handed. But If I plug an USB mouse, the changes are applied to it, but not the touchpad. Any ideas?
[08:40] <ejortegau> Mantan: you have other options... boot from grub/lilo normally with init=/bin/bash, remount / rw and do passwd
[08:40] <ejortegau> Mantan: I've never liked editing passwd/shadow files
[08:40] <ninHer> hi all
[08:40] <ejortegau> hey guys. Small question. I'm using kubuntu on my laptop, which has a synaptics touchpad. When I tell KDE to inver left and right buttons, it doesn't work... buttons are still right handed. But If I plug an USB mouse, the changes are applied to it, but not the touchpad. Any ideas?
[08:41] <Mo0oSaH> hi my azureus keeps shutting down everytime i open it..
[08:42] <fdoving> Mantan: you should just hit 'esc' wile booting grub, then select your recovery kernel, then use 'passwd <username>' and 'reboot' you don't need to use the livecd. and certainly not edit /etc/passwd manually, the password is stored in /etc/shadow anyway. but don't edit manually please :)
[08:43] <froud> can anyone help with recording from skype on kubuntu
[08:44] <Mantan> thanks fdoving - i will give it a whack
[08:44] <ejortegau> fdoving: recovery kernel will automagically log you in as root?
[08:44] <aldcor> aldcor
[08:47] <jeff_> i am using emerald to manage my themes, but it only changes the top bar of my windows... how can i change my xchat theme/skin
[08:50] <jeff_> anyone on?
[08:51] <jeff_> i have a theme manager for xfce but im looking to change the way xchat and my other apps look. im not sure what to download
[08:56] <redshadowhero> !beryl | jeff_
[08:56] <ubotu> jeff_: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:57] <jeff_> i have a theme manager for xfce but im looking to change the way xchat and my other apps look. im not sure what to download
[08:57] <Daisuke_Ido> !patience
[08:57] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[08:58] <jeff_> ahh so emerald just changed the look of the window?
[08:58] <jeff_> what changes the look of the apps, like how i see screenshots of people who have awesome looking xchat windows
[08:58] <MaTiAz> jeff_: You need to customize the program itself via the app's settings
[08:59] <jeff_> i cant download a skin for it?
[08:59] <Sneer> Hi, is it possible to install kubuntu the way so that root is activated in a standard manner? When changing system settings, I would like to be asked for root password, not mine... I can activate the root account afterwards, but this doesn't help.
[09:00] <Daisuke_Ido> Sneer: no
[09:00] <Daisuke_Ido> does it matter what password you're asked for?
[09:00] <jeff_> because so far i can only see how to change the chat window settings, not all of the rest of the xchat window
[09:00] <jeff_> i thought there must be either a skin for xchat, or a skin for gnome since it runs under gnome (or so i was told)
[09:00] <Sneer> Daisuke_Ido: Yes, it matters... :-)
[09:01] <Daisuke_Ido> either way you're getting the same access.
[09:01] <Daisuke_Ido> running limited by default and requiring your password to do administrative tasks is perhaps the most sane method i've seen so far
[09:03] <Sneer> Hmm, but when installing some software from terminal, I need root account to do (the things not offered in packasges) and it seems to me quite strange to use two different passwords.
[09:03] <Sneer> Otherwise yes, I agree it is a good choice to ask password, but root one, or, simply, some other oen than mine woul be better to make difference between standrad access and admin access
[09:06] <kraut> moin
[09:07] <Dialntone> I c :D
[09:08] <ejortegau> how do i get a left handed mouse when using a synaptics touchpad?
[09:08] <ejortegau> i mean, the buttons behaviour
[09:11] <ejortegau> so i guess noone over here is left handed?
[09:12] <ejortegau> OR, no left handed guy here has a synaptics touchpad
[09:12] <ejortegau> :)
[09:12] <arun> how do i disable my DHT firewall?
[09:14] <alakhia> can someone help me with basic networking please? I can't get my ethernet connection working.
[09:15] <Level15> alakhia: could you provide more details on what you have tried so far?
[09:16] <alakhia> Level15: I used the fakeraidhowto guide to install kubuntu dapper
[09:16] <alakhia> Level15: did debootstrap, chroot, etc. Now, when I reboot, the kernel loads up fine
[09:17] <Level15> alakhia: ok... that doesn't sound to be the least bit related to networking...
[09:17] <alakhia> Level15: but i get no networking. Ping fails
[09:17] <Level15> ifconfig shows anything?
[09:17] <alakhia> Level15: ifconfig shows nothing, but -a does show eth0
[09:18] <Level15> ok, so i guess the kernel sees your NIC... i'm going to assume it's not a drivers issue. I know it's a dumb question to ask, but is the cable properly connected?
[09:18] <alakhia> Level15: i know that my resolve.conf is correct ... but not sure what other files to check
[09:18] <alakhia> Level15: networking was fine when I used the livecd 1 hour ago
[09:19] <Level15> nevermind resolv.conf if plain ifconfig doesn't show eth0
[09:19] <Level15> is that a desktop or laptop?
[09:19] <alakhia> Level15: desktop
[09:19] <alakhia> Level15: how can i be sure it is not a driver issue? The ethernet card is from realtek
[09:20] <Level15> only one NIC on it? no sencond MoBo cards?
[09:20] <Level15> well, i think if it were driver related ifconfig -a woulnd't see it
[09:20] <alakhia> Level15: ah, ok
[09:20] <Level15> though you can check dmesg and see if there's anything there showing that the kernel DID or DID NOT find it...
[09:21] <alakhia> Level15: you know, my /etc/networking/interfaces file is blank
[09:21] <Level15> does your network use dhcp?
[09:21] <Level15> if so, run "sudo dhclient", then ifconfig (no -a) to see if eth0 shows now
[09:21] <alakhia> Level15: i guess so ... not 100% sure
[09:22] <Level15> well, since you are not sure that probably means yes :) otherwise you would know and would have to config network by hand
[09:23] <alakhia> Level15: Cool, ran dhclient and now i have networking!
[09:23] <alakhia> Thanks, Level15!
[09:24] <alakhia> Level15: ping finds www.yahoo.com! :-)
[09:24] <Level15> hm then you need to fix your interfaces file
[09:25] <alakhia> Level15: add "auto eth1" in there, I guess?
[09:25] <Level15> let me check mine :)
[09:26] <Level15> ok, this is strange... mine doesn't mention eth0...
[09:26] <Level15> i'm not too familiar with this on (?)ubuntu yet...
[09:27] <alakhia> Level15: maybe it is called something different? I guess if I reboot and am still having problems, I'll come back and ask. This gets me going for now!
[09:27] <Level15> ok then. sorry i can't be of more help
[09:27] <redshadowhero> How can I add an mp3 plugin for amarock?
[09:28] <Fr0de> !mp3
[09:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:28] <alakhia> Level15: oh no, you were of plenty help! :)
[09:28] <Level15> you know what we need? we need creative to support Ogg on their mp3 players
[09:28] <alakhia> Level15: thank you
[09:29] <Level15> ok, np
[09:29] <redshadowhero> Level15: I suppose, but what are the benefits of Ogg over mp3? I'm asking this as a serious question, mind you.
[09:30] <pag> redshadowhero, ogg is free, and I've heard it has better quality at lower bitrates.
[09:30] <Level15> redshadowhero: AFAIK, its compression rate is a little bit better... besides, if mp3 players supported open formats, we wouldn't have to be installing additional stuff from offshore servers just because some dumb patent issue
[09:31] <redshadowhero> I know that ogg is free, but I didn't know about the additional quality.
[09:33] <redshadowhero> Level15: perhaps; I've just always used mp3s, but then again, I haven't always used Linux, so that changes things a bit, I suppose.
[09:33] <Level15> are there any player which support ogg? what about stereos?
[09:34] <pag> Level15, some less main-stream players do support ogg - I'm not sure about stereos
[09:35] <Level15> any brands? I might want to buy one :)
[09:35] <pag> Level15, and you can get some iPods to support oggs as well, but that costs battery-life  ( see !rockbox for more info)
[09:36] <Level15> !rockbox
[09:36] <ubotu> rockbox is an open source firmware replacement for audio players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio. See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!
[09:36] <redshadowhero> Fr0de: thanks, that did help.
[09:36] <redshadowhero> Fr0de: with the mp3 support, I mean.
[09:36] <Fr0de> redshadowhero: no worries :)
[09:36] <redshadowhero> Fr0de: but amarock crashed after loading that.... however, once I restarted it, it was fine. Weird though.
[09:37] <Fr0de> redshadowhero: these things happen sometimes..
[09:37] <redshadowhero> Fr0de: Not as often as on Windows, but yes, they do
[09:40] <Level15> does anyone feel like giving me a hand with my touchpad?
[09:40] <redshadowhero> Uh, whats wrong with it?
[09:42] <Level15> i can't get the buttons to work left handed...
[09:42] <Level15> i know it seems dumb...
[09:42] <Level15> but it just WON'T work...
[09:43] <redshadowhero> Hmm, you can't change the options under the mouse settings?
[09:43] <Level15> i did... works for usb mouse, not for touchpad...
[09:43] <redshadowhero> Hmm, odd...
[09:43] <Level15> really odd
[09:44] <redshadowhero> let me check it on mine, and see if its the same thing.
[09:44] <Level15> ok thanks
[09:44] <redshadowhero> actually...
[09:44] <Level15> (if i had a mac, i wouldn't have this problem...) but then again, do i really want a mac?
[09:44] <redshadowhero> its the same problem here...
[09:44] <Fr0de> Level15: maybe setting the buttons with xmodmap might help?
[09:45] <Level15> Fr0de: i didn't know xmodmap would also affect mouse buttons... how does that work?
[09:45] <redshadowhero> Level15: I have a mac, and I do like it a lot... its just, they are so darn expensive.
[09:45] <concussin> does anyone know how to change the desktop look from osx back to normal
[09:45] <Level15> redshadowhero: i heard leopard wil be Unix'03 certified...
[09:45] <concussin> ?
[09:46] <Fr0de> Level15: I haven't played with it for a while, but I definitely used it to remap buttons on my trackball, so it might do your touchpad, too?
[09:46] <Level15> Fr0de: ok, let me try check that on google
[09:46] <Level15> concussin: are you using that baghira thing i guess?
[09:47] <Fr0de> Level15: in a terminal type 'man xmodmap' :)
[09:48] <Level15> Fr0de: well, i think it might work
[09:48] <redshadowhero> Level15: I know. Its about time, too. I'm tired of people telling me it isn't really UNIX at all...
[09:48] <concussin> level 15 : well i dunno it had like an initial setup when i booted up, and thats where i change the look
[09:49] <concussin> but now i can figure out how to change it back
[09:49] <Level15> redshadowhero: well, i think that and solaris is the only real Unix thing you can use on x86 hardware...
[09:49] <Level15> concussin: how did you change it to look like mac on the first place?
[09:49] <redshadowhero> Level15: True, true. Its just that I'm told that OS X is nothing more than a toy. Its annoying, especially since I'm the guy who fixes the macs at work.
[09:49] <concussin> from this intial setup thing before you login
[09:50] <pag> concussin, systemsettings -> desktop -> Behaviour -> no menu bar at the top of the screen
[09:50] <Admiral_Chicago> !libcssdvd
[09:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libcssdvd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:51] <concussin> that it thanx pag
[09:51] <Level15> redshadowhero: i haven't really used OS X... i know it looks nice, but some of my friends who have owned a Mac have ended up selling it... i think it's because they are too used to linux, though
[09:51] <pag> concussin, np :)
[09:52] <redshadowhero> Level15: OS X was my introduction to *NIX-based systems. When I figured out how flexable and easy it was, I obviously wanted to know more.
[09:52] <Level15> so you are a mac guy, right?
[09:52] <blizzzek> i am connected via krdc to an windows server... i am wondering how to upload files from my computer?
[09:53] <redshadowhero> Pretty much... its what they pay me to do at work.
[09:53] <redshadowhero> Though, I do like linux...
[09:54] <redshadowhero> the server at work is linux.
[09:56] <Level15> xmodmap didn't work :(
[09:57] <Level15> redshadowhero: where do you work? and what do you do over there exactly?
[09:58] <redshadowhero> Level15: Well, I'm not sure I should say *exactly* where I work, but I work at a research center for my university. I just keep the macs running, and connected to the network.
[09:58] <redshadowhero> Level15: I just make sure that X11.app is installed, we have their MAC address on file, and answer any mac-related questions.
[09:59] <Level15> redshadowhero: fair enough. sounds like a nice job :) i want to get one myself because this thing of keeping studying and living on scholarships is... well, not profitable
[09:59] <redshadowhero> Level15: Well, this one is nice because I get to learn this stuff while I am at school.
[10:00] <redshadowhero> Level15: Which gives practical experience, of course.
[10:00] <Fr0de> Level15: I found it took a bit of playing to get xmodmap to do what I expected it to.. maybe you're giving up too quick?
[10:00] <Level15> Fr0de: no, as a matter of fact xmodmap has exactly the example of how to invert the buttons...
[10:01] <Level15> Fr0de: but it didn't work :(
[10:01] <Silent_G> hello
[10:01] <pag> !hi | Silent_G
[10:01] <ubotu> Silent_G: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:01] <Level15> redshadowhero: nice. then you can get better job when you are out of school
[10:01] <Silent_G> when im trying to open mp3's in amarok, its crashing, it stays loading :S is there a fix
[10:01] <pag> !mp3 | Silent_G
[10:01] <ubotu> Silent_G: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:01] <Level15> there we go again...
[10:02] <redshadowhero> Level15: Thats what I was planning
[10:03] <Level15> where is slackware distor based? US or somewhere else?
[10:03] <AlonzoTG> Let me bring in my bot.
[10:03] <pag> redshadowhero, for the statistics on factoid use: http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu&search=&order=popularity%20DESC&page=0
[10:03] <AnnaBot> # Appears as ANNA
[10:03] <AlonzoTG> !greet
[10:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about greet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:04] <AnnaBot> (#G1<:EA10M1) I am Anna! I give Comic Strip Chat and UBUNTU help!
[10:04] <Fr0de> Level15: that sucks, I was hoping xmodmap might be the trick for you.. oh, well.. maybe you should try to figure out the details of the trackpad, then submit a bug to the "mouse mapping settings" developers, whoever they may be..?
[10:04] <AlonzoTG> I wrote my bot in C++. :)
[10:04] <AlonzoTG> You can Google!
[10:04] <redshadowhero> actually... The mouse button config is in /etc/sysctl.conf.
[10:04] <AlonzoTG> !google kubuntu
[10:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about google kubuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:05] <AnnaBot> (#G210E010M1) Kubuntu - The KDE DesktoprnUser friendly operating system based on KDE, the K Desktop Environment. With a predictable 6 month release cycle and part of the Ubuntu project, Kubuntu is ...rnwww.kubuntu.org/ - 8k - Jul 21, 2007 - Cached - Similar pagesrnDownload - www.kubuntu.org/download.phprnScreenshots - www.kubuntu.org/screenshots.phprnFAQ - www.k
[10:05] <pag> AlonzoTG, iirc no own bots allowed... you might get in trouble with that
[10:05] <AlonzoTG> What if it can Google?
[10:05] <redshadowhero> pag: thanks for the factoid usage thing.
[10:05] <Fr0de> AlonzoTG: isn't that what a browser will do for you? :P
[10:06] <Level15> Fr0de: i guess i can read the docs on libsynaptics... and if i'm not to lazy, maybe even write a small piece of code which will invert the buttons :)
[10:06] <AlonzoTG> Yeah but this is faster.
[10:06] <Fr0de> Level15: that's the spirit! :D
[10:06] <pag> AlonzoTG, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[10:06] <redshadowhero> Level15: I think you can manually change the mouse buttons in /etc/sysctl.conf
[10:06] <AlonzoTG> =(
[10:06] <Level15> redshadowhero: which section of it? just opened the file but can't find anything with the word mouse on it
[10:06] <AlonzoTG> !part
[10:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about part - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:06] <AnnaBot> (#G210EA10M1) <Chr>
[10:07] <Level15> oh, maybe you mean i need to add something to it?
[10:08] <redshadowhero> Level15: it was a long shot, I found it under a mac help bit, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-11230.html
[10:08] <Level15> maybe you are right... let me check
[10:09] <Level15> no it seems to be exclusively for mac mice
[10:09] <redshadowhero> Level15: yeah... but I figured it might be the same on a windows 'top, considering...
[10:09] <redshadowhero> Level15: I shouldn't have assumed
[10:10] <Level15> well, thanks, though
[10:10] <redshadowhero> yeah... but now... I have to know.... this sort of thing bothers me when I can't figure out something.
[10:11] <Level15> it's plainly amusing that something this simple is not that simple after all,  uh?
[10:13] <redshadowhero> Level15: actually..... it is highly amusing...
[10:15] <Chanshe> hi alle
[10:16] <Chanshe> frage.. wie registriert man sich hier?
[10:16] <pag> !de | Chanshe
[10:16] <ubotu> Chanshe: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:21] <redshadowhero> Level15: I know you said that xmodmap didn't work, but did you try the command like "xmodmap -e "pointer = 2 1 3 4 5""?
[10:22] <Level15> i did "pointer = 3 2 1"
[10:23] <redshadowhero> and it only changed the mouse...
[10:23] <redshadowhero> I was thinking there might be something else other than "pointer" that you could try
[10:24] <redshadowhero> what is the output of xmodmap -pp
[10:24] <redshadowhero> for me, it goes up to 9.
[10:24] <redshadowhero> Perhaps, some of the later buttons are trackpad buttons?
[10:24] <Level15> up to 9, 3 and 1 swapped
[10:25] <Level15> i think those are related to double tapping and tapping on special sections of the touchpad
[10:25] <redshadowhero> oh..
[10:25] <redshadowhero> curses, foiled again.
[10:26] <Level15> leave it that way... don't worry
[10:27] <redshadowhero> Level15: try "man synclient"
[10:32] <Level15> seems to be useful for setting other options... but nothing related to mouse buttons mapping :(
[10:32] <redshadowhero> well... I'm out of ideas, then...
[10:33] <Level15> me too... don't worry, it doesn't matter that much...
[10:35] <Level15> brb
[10:35] <miles> !find opengl
[10:35] <ubotu> Found: cl-sdl-opengl, libghc6-opengl-dev, libopengl-perl, libopengl-ruby, libtiff-opengl (and 2 others)
[10:36] <miles> how do i find the 2 others?
[10:36] <miles> !find opengl | more
[10:36] <ubotu> more: please see above
[10:36] <miles> wtf
[10:37] <redshadowhero> Level15: actually, its late... I'm tired...I've got to sleep sometime... I'll catch you on here some other time, I suppose.
[10:37] <miles> he was quick to get out of here
[10:40] <ice9> hello friends!
[10:40] <ice9> I am the scorpion king
[10:42] <ace2016> Hi all
[10:42] <ace2016> anyone knows what configures the network on startup?
[10:42] <hatter> can anyone see why this in my fstab would not be mounting on boot ?  //backup:/backup /mnt nfs defaults 0 0
[10:42] <stdin> ace2016: the /etc/network/interfaces file
[10:43] <ace2016> i have 2 partitions, one is a fresh install
[10:43] <ace2016> one is an older one, i tried copping /etc/network from the fresh install to the older one but the network does not work
[10:43] <ace2016> both are using the same kernel from the /boot partition
[10:44] <stdin> should work
[10:44] <ace2016> i know but it does not
[10:44] <stdin> what type of net?
[10:44] <ace2016> dhcp
[10:44] <stdin> wired?
[10:45] <ace2016> the only difference was that the whole system was upgraded, everything, apart from the hard disks
[10:45] <ace2016> the fresh install is after the hardware upgrade, the older one was before the hardware upgrade
[10:45] <ace2016> yes its a wired network
[10:46] <stdin> did you upgrade the NIC?
[10:46] <ace2016> 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01)
[10:46] <ace2016> stdin: upgraded motherboard/cpu/gfx/ram
[10:46] <Level15> ace2016: ifconfig -a shows the interface?
[10:46] <Level15> and what about ifconfig alone?
[10:47] <ace2016> ifconfig just shows the interface but its not configured with an ip address
[10:47] <Level15> ace2016: which interface?
[10:47] <Level15> hm
[10:47] <ace2016> eth1
[10:48] <ace2016> well this is the fresh install now
[10:48] <stdin> ace2016: tried just configuring it with system settings?
[10:48] <Level15> do you have 2 NICs?
[10:48] <ace2016> stdin: can't get into graphics, nvidia card is having problems, i've downloaded the beta drivers now
[10:49] <ace2016> Ok so i'll reboot go into the old install, get graphics up and running, and then come back here on the second machine
[10:49] <ace2016> ok?
[10:49] <stdin> ace2016: ahh, ok. I can tell you what you need in /etc/network/interfaces, it's simple
[10:49] <Level15> ace2016: hey, if eth1 shows up i think you have 2 nics. are you sure the cable is on the right one?
[10:49] <ace2016> just one nic
[10:49] <stdin> ace2016: "auto eth1" on one line, then "iface eth1 inet dhcp" on another
[10:50] <ace2016> auto eth0
[10:50] <ace2016> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[10:50] <ace2016> but ifconfig has: eth1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:13:8F:E4:7B:F9
[10:50] <ace2016> and it somehow works???
[10:50] <stdin> ace2016: check what's in /etc/iftab
[10:50] <ace2016> its working fine now, and i'm using it
[10:51] <ace2016> eth0 mac 00:0d:87:33:a6:3a arp 1
[10:51] <stdin> is that the MAC address of eth1?
[10:51] <ace2016> eth1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:13:8F:E4:7B:F9
[10:52] <stdin> that's why it's not called eth0 then
[10:54] <ace2016> ok i'll come back soon
[11:00] <neusonce>  hey guys dose anybody know how to get a encytpted dvd to play on  ubuntu ?
[11:00] <neusonce> no matter what i do  it flat out refuses to play
[11:00] <pag> !libdvdcss2 | neusonce
[11:00] <ubotu> neusonce: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[11:06] <Narada> hi; i was upgrading to feisty through the gui tool and it gave an error; now it seems to have stopped at 56%; what can i do to verify this
[11:07] <dromer> what is a good kde program to see all your system-specs ?
[11:07] <ADiCT3D> Hey i have a question, I'm looking for an app that converts a link or a text file to an mp3/ogg/flac etc audio file anyone know of anything like this?
[11:07] <pag> Narada, what error did it gave?
[11:07] <Narada> pag: Something about unable to install samba in a /var/ location
[11:08] <Narada> now its stuck at preparing to configure kubuntu-docs
[11:08] <pag> Narada, for how long has it been stuck there?
[11:08] <Narada> for a few mins; but it said in the error message that the upgrade aborts now; although the window is still up
[11:10] <Narada> sigh :(  if i reboot now i bet it won't boot
[11:10] <pag> Narada, hmm.. try waiting for couple more mins, and if nothing happes, then abort the upgrade, and finish it up via command-line
[11:11] <Narada> pag: can you do half with gui and half with cmd line
[11:11] <pag> Narada, they're both just frontends, so it should work
[11:19] <zero> startin up...
[11:19] <zero> loading, please wait...
[11:19] <ben__> hi, does anyone know if kde4 beta will be released on schedule
[11:20] <zero> kinit: name-to-dev-t(/dev/disk/by-uuid/921ea426-e
[11:20] <zero> kinit:trying to resume from /dev/disk/by-uuid/921ea426-e.......
[11:20] <pag> ben__, probably... I don't know will it be packaged for kubuntu though
[11:21] <zero> kinit:No resume image, doing normal boot...
[11:21] <zero> what is that?
[11:21] <zero> it makes the boot time bigger
[11:21] <ben__> zero: thanks
[11:21] <zero> hey pag
[11:21] <zero> why thanks ben?
[11:22] <pag> zero, I have no idea what does that error mean, sorry.
[11:22] <zero> :(
[11:22] <zero> i have to wait a lot to finish booting
[11:22] <Narada> pag: okay back to command line but apt is saying could not get lock
[11:23] <zero> is there anyone that might know?
[11:23] <pag> !aptfix | Narada
[11:23] <ubotu> Narada: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[11:24] <Narada> pag: i take it the left and right arrows are not included
[11:24] <pag> Narada, they're not
[11:24] <Narada> wow it's doing a lot of stuff
[11:25] <pag> Narada, yup.. it should almost finish your upgrade
[11:26] <pag> Narada, I'd suggest you run " sudo apt-get install -f ", " sudo apt-get dist-upgrade " and " sudo dpkg --configure -a " if it gives any errors
[11:27] <Narada> pag: will do; although looks like i might have to wait a while :)
[11:30] <Narada> i wish i'd done it on the command line to begin with
[11:34] <Ace2016> Hi all
[11:35] <Ace2016> it worked and i'm on my regular old partition now
[11:35] <Ace2016> i love this setup, hate to loose it
[11:36] <Ace2016> Anyone know how to copy everything from one hard disk to another and make everything keep working?
[11:36] <Ace2016> its going from a single disk to a dual disk raid array
[11:37] <Ace2016> and the new disks are sata not ide
[11:37] <aldcor> aldcor
[11:37] <lumens> c nessuno italilano????
[11:37] <pag> !it | lumens
[11:37] <ubotu> lumens: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:38] <Narada> pag: it's finished no errors; should i run those commands anyway
[11:38] <pag> Narada, try " sudo apt-get dist-upgrade "
[11:38] <Narada> hmm tons of packages
[11:39] <pag> Narada, yup yup.. upgrade hasn't gone through yet then..
[11:39] <Narada> okay switched to one of the vts and started that
[11:46] <Narada> pag: all done; anything to run or make sure now?
[11:47] <pag> Narada, sudo apt-get install -f
[11:47] <Narada> pag: http://rafb.net/p/HoJ16D52.html
[11:48] <pag> Narada, yup... sudo apt-get autoremove  then
[11:49] <Narada> done; anything else? should i do th dpkg reconfigure or anything else to ensure everything is bootable?
[11:49] <Silent_G> hello , can someone tell me a programme that can make a backup of a DVD that is protected?
[11:50] <pag> Silent_G, k9copy ?
[11:50] <Silent_G> does it copy everything and get updated often?
[11:50] <Silent_G> like clonedvd for example
[11:51] <pag> Narada, I thing everything should work now... sudo dpkg --configure -a  maybe, but it's probably not needed anymore
[11:51] <Narada> okay done; that command didn't do antyhing
[11:51] <pag> Silent_G, I don't know, it's just reccomended in some factoid (I can't even remember which one of them)
[11:52] <pag> Narada, ok. the everything *should* be fine.. cross your fingers and boot :)
[11:52] <Narada> okay; fingers crossed; this is nerve wracking
[11:56] <Silent_G> ok, any help with webcams ? i have a webcam connected to the pc how can i use it?
[11:56] <pag> !webcam
[11:56] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[11:56] <Silent_G> thankz :)
[11:56] <Silent_G> also , any help with digital cameras?
[11:57] <pag> Silent_G, they should work out-of-the-box
[11:57] <Silent_G> ok
[11:57] <pag> (at least mine does)
[11:57] <Silent_G> so digital cameras should work out of the box
[11:57] <Silent_G> mine has a card reader tought
[11:57] <Silent_G> the card reader is connected with usb
[11:57] <Silent_G> and the digi cam has some smal fat card
[11:57] <Silent_G> 2.2GB
[11:57] <Silent_G> :S
[11:58] <pag> Silent_G, well.. as said they *should*.. I can't promise anything
[11:58] <Silent_G> ok :P
[11:59] <Narada> pag: omg it boots! only error i got was that it wasn't able to find /dev/hdb1 which was my second hard drive; any idea what's happened to that device it's not there anymore
[12:00] <pag> Narada, check, if /dev/sdb1 is present
[12:01] <Narada> pag: yeah it is; sda and sdb; strange!; these are both ide not sata;
[12:01] <pag> Narada, libata :(  blame the new kernel
[12:01] <aldcor> aldcor
[12:02] <pag> Narada, kdesu kate /etc/fstab  and change hdbX to sdbX and after command sudo mount -a
[12:02] <Narada> pag: okay i'll change fstab; my samba mounts also stopped working; any immediate known issues with that?
[12:03] <pag> Narada, not any I've heard of...
[12:08] <kevinyo> 
[12:15] <Narada> how can i disable the power manager in kde
[12:15] <grul> !power manager
[12:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about power manager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:15] <grul> !power
[12:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about power - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:15] <grul> !energy
[12:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about energy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:15] <grul> :(
[12:18] <Neil3> !powermanager
[12:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about powermanager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:22] <Narada> hehe
[12:23] <Narada> np
[12:26] <iarwain_> hiya, anyone knows how to mount a PDA? i know the bus device Nr it uses via lsusb, but i don't know where to go from here..
[12:29] <samaris> hello
[12:31] <samaris> some can help me?
[12:31] <iarwain_> samaris: hiya
[12:31] <iarwain_> we'll try :)
[12:32] <samaris> i have a new laptop and i just install ubuntu and i cant hear any sound
[12:32] <iarwain_> Press F2, and type in "kmix" without the ""
[12:32] <iarwain_> anything muted there?
[12:33] <samaris> no
[12:34] <iarwain_> what sound card do you have?
[12:35] <samaris> i dont know its a gateway mt3707 the stiker says ati radeon xpress 200m
[12:35] <iarwain_> that's your graphic's card :)
[12:36] <iarwain_> post the output of this command in pastebin => "lspci"
[12:36] <samaris> where do i check it?
[12:36] <samaris> this is the computer http://www.gateway.com/retail/mt3707.php
[12:37] <iarwain_> open up a terminal (konsole), type in "lspci", copy-paste the output of that command to pastebin.ca, and give me the link
[12:37] <iarwain_> that works to
[12:37] <iarwain_> too
[12:37] <iarwain_> xD
[12:37] <[ifr0g] > How do i disable networkmanager ?
[12:37] <[ifr0g] > i guess most of you dislike it !
[12:37] <[ifr0g] > :)
[12:39] <iarwain_> samaris: seems to me it's just a kinda standard audio thing
[12:39] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : try right-clicking on it? don't know if that's what you want
[12:39] <[ifr0g] > iarwain_, i want to disable it, i dont want it at all.
[12:40] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : sudo aptitude remove knetworkmanager
[12:40] <alesan> re
[12:40] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : that's what i think would help you
[12:40] <samaris> what does that mean?
[12:40] <[ifr0g] > iarwain_, Its that simple :).. ok thanks.. will do that.
[12:41] <alesan> I have a problem with my pc, Ubuntu can see only 3GB even if I have 4GB installed. this is the output of my dmesg:
[12:41] <alesan> http://pastebin.com/d4ede953c
[12:41] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : np's :)
[12:41] <[ifr0g] > iarwain_, what about knetworkconf ?
[12:41] <[ifr0g] > Is that part of it ?
[12:41] <dv_> help! ktorrent suddenly crashes every time I start it
[12:41] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : don't think so. You just want to get Knetworkmanager gone? Or the whole Shibang?
[12:42] <dv_> there is absolutely no way to get in the program, it crashes. I dont want to lose my partially downloaded torrents. what can I do?
[12:42] <[ifr0g] > iarwain_, k
[12:42] <[ifr0g] > i think i got to restart..
[12:43] <[ifr0g] > brb.
[12:43] <samaris> this is what say in the audio part
[12:43] <samaris> 00:14.1 IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller ATI (rev 80)
[12:43] <samaris> 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SB450 HDA Audio (rev 01)
[12:43] <samaris> 00:14.3 ISA bridge: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 PCI-ISA Bridge (rev 80)
[12:43] <samaris> 00:14.4 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 PCI-PCI Bridge (rev 80)
[12:43] <samaris> 0
[12:44] <iarwain_> dv_: try starting it via terminal, perhaps you get an error
[12:44] <iarwain_> samaris: hmm
[12:44] <dv_> "Qt: Warning: QGArray::at: Absolute index 0 out of range"
[12:44] <samaris> ????
[12:45] <dv_> and then the crash dialog appears
[12:45] <iarwain_> samaris: idk about that, but did you try installing drivers? i might be completely wrong, but since it's ATI idk
[12:45] <dv_> is it possible to continue the downloads with another client?
[12:45] <iarwain_> dv_: try google for a solution?
[12:45] <dv_> or is my data lost forever?
[12:45] <iarwain_> dv_: continuing is possible
[12:45] <dv_> already googled
[12:45] <iarwain_> dv_: :)
[12:45] <iarwain_> dv_: azureus picks them up as far as i know
[12:45] <iarwain_> dv_: but to be sure, make a BACKUP
[12:46] <iarwain_> dv_: trust me :)
[12:46] <samaris> where do i find it?
[12:47] <iarwain_> samaris: gonna search it for you :)
[12:47] <samaris> thanks
[12:49] <iarwain_> samaris: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide should help you out
[12:49] <runlevelten> dv, what's the boggle with bittorrent?
[12:49] <iarwain_> samaris: havent followed that guide since i own Nvidia
[12:49] <samaris> ok thanks
[12:49] <iarwain_> samaris: np's :)
[12:50] <runlevelten> dv, can you run ktorrent from a terminal for me, and pastebin the output when it crashes?
[12:50] <runlevelten> cheers :)
[12:51] <dv_> http://rafb.net/p/HdsOhY98.html
[12:51] <dv_> the first two errors are harmless, they just refer to dead xorg.conf input device entries
[12:52] <dv_> I mean, ktorrent did crash several times in the past, but it has never been this bad before
[12:53] <dv_> if I had known ktorrent is so extremely unstable...
[12:53] <runlevelten> and the backtrace..
[12:53] <dv_> http://rafb.net/p/dqFde290.html
[12:53] <[ifr0g] > when i plug in my wifi dougle i get..
[12:53] <[ifr0g] > Jul 23 13:48:57 blackbox NetworkManager: <debug info>^I[1185187737.302491]  nm_hal_device_added (): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_457_163_noserial').
[12:53] <aldcor> aldcor
[12:54] <[ifr0g] > Instead it previously synced with ndiswrapper on edgy
[12:54] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : hmm, don't know ndiswrapper
[12:54] <[ifr0g] > Now i am on fiesty after an upgrade.
[12:54] <[ifr0g] > iarwain_, is it safe to remove network-manager ?
[12:54] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : and your internet doesn't work?
[12:54] <dv_> ah! manually setting dhtSupported to false in the ktorrentrc file does the trick
[12:55] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : don't know. I would let it be installed, just to be safe
[12:55] <[ifr0g] > iarwain_, it works, ..
[12:55] <dv_> so, never ever use dht with ktorrent
[12:55] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : so what's the problem then? you lost me :)
[12:57] <runlevelten> ktorrent really needs to settle - it's such a good client but the stability lets it down.
[12:58] <runlevelten> by the way, in my experience you usually get a better experience getting it from the vcs
[12:58] <[ifr0g] > iarwain_, I recently did an upgrade on edgy to fiesty, everything works fine only my wifi dougle which worked previously on ndiswrapper broke, every timei plugit in it says device created as per above by network manager, Where on edgy it synced with ndiswrapper. i dont remember seeing the networkmanager line in syslog file. so i was thinking if it will work if i remove that.
[12:58] <runlevelten> which is weird, I know, heh
[01:00] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : did you check the forum for similair breakage? Perhaps you need a newer version of ndiswrapper? if you completely want to remove networkmanager, try this "sudo aptitude purge knetworkmanager"
[01:00] <aldcor> aldcor
[01:00] <iarwain_> yeah, that's you xD
[01:00] <runlevelten> Oh look, there's a 2.2 package.
[01:01] <[ifr0g] > iarwain_, already did remove it. cant purge itnow
[01:01] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : i should've known that ^^
[01:02] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : it still doesn't work? no newer versions of ndiswrapper or the like? Forum doesn't give anything?
[01:02] <aldcor> aldcor
[01:02] <[ifr0g] > iarwain_, Checking that now.
[01:02] <iarwain_> [ifr0g] : okay :)
[01:07] <lumens> italiano
[01:09] <lumens> c nessuno italiano
[01:09] <karyn> english
[01:10] <ttan> io italiano
[01:10] <Lynoure> !it
[01:10] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:10] <lumens> thank you
[01:13] <Narada> what package is it to start using the nvidia driver; there seem to be quite a few nvidia packages
[01:23] <samaris> hello
[01:24] <Neil3> hey all whats the name of the app that makes the little battery status icon appear in the bottom right of the taskbar?
[01:29] <Narada> which gui package manager is preferred
[01:32] <runlevelten> synaptic
[01:32] <roald_> hello, does anyone have the same webcam as I do? its a (lsusb) 0c45:624f Microdia
[01:32] <roald_> i'd like to find a driver:)
[01:33] <NLJazz> or can someone help me find a driver?
[01:35] <KaiSVK> hi all
[01:36] <runlevelten> KaiSVK: DON'T run irc as root!
[01:43] <lumens_> c italiano
[01:45] <lumens_> c nessuno italiano
[01:47] <KaiSVK> runlevelten I am sorry ...
[01:48] <lumens_> c nessuno ke parla italiano???????
[01:48] <runlevelten> It's OK, it's just a very severe security hazard for yourself.
[01:48] <runlevelten> !it
[01:48] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:49] <KaiSVK> runlevelten :) oki thanx
[01:49] <runlevelten> KaiSVK: Like so severe I would exit this very next second and come back as your ordinary user.
[01:50] <KaiSVK> runlevelten so be it ...
[01:50] <[Apollo] > hi all :D
[01:50] <runlevelten> hey [Apollo] 
[01:51] <[Apollo] > you slept well, runlevelten? :)
[01:51] <runlevelten> Heh, briefly
[01:51] <MaTiAz> Yay, finally got to order my new PC :)
[01:51] <aldcor> aldcor
[01:51] <runlevelten> thanks for asking xD
[01:51] <MaTiAz> The old one broke lol
[01:51] <KaiSVK> runlevelten it is done :)
[01:51] <[Apollo] > this guy is doing this again... saying 'aldcor'
[01:51] <[Apollo] > he ? really got to be bored
[01:51] <[Apollo] > yw
[01:51] <runlevelten> KaiSVK: that's better :)
[01:52] <runlevelten> It's a bot of some sort I assume.
[01:52] <[Apollo] > yea
[01:52] <[Apollo] > prolly
[01:52] <runlevelten> Maybe he delimits log files for someone or something
[01:52] <runlevelten> wtg MaTiAz
[01:53] <[Apollo] > and aldcor doesn't respond to VERSION requests
[01:53] <MaTiAz> runlevelten: yeah, suddenly windows didn't boot anymore, and linux booted a few times and acted weird
[01:53] <MaTiAz> now it doesn't work at all :D
[01:53] <runlevelten> I wonder whether that name/message is a delimiter on its own.
[01:53] <KaiSVK> just curious, does anyone know how to add this: route add -net 172.16.155.0/24 gw 192.168.150.190 eth0 - permanently so it is done by boot ?
[01:53] <KaiSVK> somewhere in the /etc/somewhat ?
[01:54] <MaTiAz> But yeah, I guess 2GB of 800MHz DDR2, Intel Core 2 Duo E6750, Asus P5B mobo, Zalman 500W PSU and a nice 400GB Samsung HDD will be somewhat enough for the next 4 years :)
 aldcor\nspam\n<aldcor> aldcor\nbots\n<aldcor> aldcor\nsuck\n<aldcor> aldcor
[01:54] <MaTiAz> oh and a Geforce 8800GTS 320MB :)
[01:55] <MaTiAz> This'll at least run beryl fine :D
[01:55] <runlevelten> yeah, and quake 4 and oblivion and stuff :)
[01:55] <MaTiAz> runlevelten: yeah, I've played Oblivion on X360 for like 120 hours, it's now time to enjoy all the mods 'n stuff :D
[01:56] <MaTiAz> I tried it on my old PC once, got pretty ok FPS with 640x480 and almost all settings at minimum :D
[02:02] <ttan> my ausus wl-138g v2 find wireless networks but not connect.. help??
[02:02] <runlevelten> KaiSVK: drop it in a script and put it in /etc/network/ifup.d/
[02:03] <runlevelten> sorry, if-up.d, heh
[02:04] <Graham> Morning
[02:04] <runlevelten> hi graham
[02:04] <ttan> hi graham
[02:05] <ses59> if kppp does not work what other dialer programs would you suggest?
[02:05] <ttan> ses59, for pppoe connections?
[02:06] <ses59> yes sbcglobal with internal modem works with wvdialer
[02:06] <ttan> 56k or dsl?^
[02:06] <pawitp> Is there something like specto for KDE?
[02:06] <ses59> 56f
[02:06] <ses59> 56k
[02:07] <ttan> well.. never used 56k on linux.. let me think about it..
[02:08] <mauricioOb> slack rules
[02:09] <runlevelten> mauricioOb: agreed.
[02:09] <TheNameless> hi
[02:10] <runlevelten> hi TheNameless2k
[02:10] <ttan> hi
[02:10] <TheNameless> ...have somebody also trobble with ICQ and Kopete?
[02:11] <ttan> ses59, tried with knetworkmanager?
[02:12] <ttan> i don't really know if it's good for 56k
[02:13] <runlevelten> pawitp: everything specto does can be done without specto. what you watching?
[02:17] <pawitp> runlevelten: Gmail, Website
[02:22] <Silent_G> hi
[02:23] <Graham> Silent_G: lo
[02:23] <Silent_G> im trying to run EasyCam2
[02:23] <Silent_G> and im getting this error
[02:23] <Silent_G> Failed to open device
[02:23] <Silent_G>   File "/usr/share/EasyCam2/easycam.py", line 25, in <module>
[02:23] <Silent_G>     import gnome.ui
[02:23] <Silent_G> ImportError: No module named gnome.ui
[02:24] <Graham> You don't have gnome installed
[02:25] <Silent_G> O_o
[02:25] <Silent_G> i must install gnome to use webcam?
[02:25] <Silent_G> :S
[02:27] <KaiSVK> runlevelten so classic .sh script and I will put it there ?
[02:27] <Graham> You just need to install the backend of gnome
[02:27] <Graham> libgnome files or something
[02:27] <Graham> Though in fairness, it's just a guess.
[02:27] <Silent_G> what is the package name?
[02:28] <runlevelten> KaiSVK: yeah
[02:28] <Graham> Did you install it from the repository?
[02:28] <Silent_G> yeah
[02:28] <runlevelten> pawitp: I'd use an email notifier and a shell script.
[02:28] <Graham> Might not list all it's dependencies.
[02:29] <Silent_G> yeah but what package should i install
[02:30] <runlevelten> an example for a page without ads might be to do something like wget -q google.com  -o out &&  md5sum out > out.md5
[02:30] <runlevelten> then use watch or something to wget -q google.com  -o out; md5sum -c out.md5;  every x seconds.
[02:30] <KaiSVK> runlevelten strange :) I thought it was made by some kind of one config files, like on suse, my previous distro, in /etc/sysconfig/network
[02:32] <runlevelten> pawitp: "websec" claims to be a web page monitoring software. Dunno whether that might be fun for you.
[02:32] <runlevelten> KaiSVK: yeah, I go straight for sysconfig too, but bunter doesn't have it
[02:34] <runlevelten> I quite like sysconfig. Call me a loony.
[02:35] <Graham> peron with gnome ui error!
[02:35] <Minataku> sysconfig from FreeBSD? Great tool. :3
[02:35] <Graham> Silent_G: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-302674.html
[02:36] <KaiSVK> runlevelten what is bunter? :)
[02:37] <runlevelten> KaiSVK: ubuntu
[02:37] <Minataku> I wish NetBSD had sysconfig... or at least an easy user management tool... useradd and friend are horrific
[02:38] <icecruncher> how can I make a directory read write and belong to a different user when root? in cli
[02:39] <Lynoure> I actually like useradd, once it has been configured well
[02:40] <runlevelten> chmod 666 filename to make it rw for everyone. chown user:group filename to change ownership
[02:40] <Graham> Silent_G: Any use?
[02:41] <Silent_G> im reading it
[02:43] <Silent_G> cant figure out Graham  :
[02:43] <Silent_G> :S
[02:50] <slougi> hi all quick question: any idea why /bin/sh is a symlink to dash nowadays? dash is not very compatible...
[02:53] <Hobbsee> slougi: because its' faster, on boot
[02:53] <Hobbsee> slougi: the default user shell is still bash
[02:53] <os2mac> How do you add a particular screen resolution to X?
[02:53] <Hobbsee> and it's perfectly compatible with the shell standard - bash has extra stuff
[02:53] <slougi> Hobbsee: yeah but it still breaks loads of scripts that have #!/bin/sh at the top
[02:54] <slougi> personally i see that as a regression
[02:54] <Hobbsee> slougi: ones in the archive?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> or random scripts that you downloaded somewhere?
[02:54] <slougi> Hobbsee: well no, but those are not the end of all scripts :-)
[02:54] <slougi> Hobbsee: mostly of an app i am developing
[02:55] <runlevelten> slougi: that's what I thought, heh
[02:55] <os2mac> !ubotu modline
[02:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about modline - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:55] <Minataku> If it specifies /bin/sh but expects full bash features, the script is broken
[02:55] <Hobbsee> slougi: ...then you need to fix your scripts.
 How do i stop my network from grinding to a halt when iuse kaffeine dvb server ?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Minataku: is right
[02:55] <os2mac> !ubotu modeline
[02:55] <ubotu> A Modeline is a config line in the X server configuration file that gives info about a connected display and how to drive it at a specified display resolution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFree86_Modeline for more details. Here are 2 links to generate modelines which fit your monitor: http://bohne-lang.de/spec/linux/modeline/ and http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
[02:55] <slougi> biggest annoyance is that the following breaks: if [ "${dirname:0:1}" != "/" ] ; <-- afaik this is actually standard usage
[02:56] <Minataku> /bin/sh is a compatibility thing, it specifies full POSIX sh compatibility
[02:56] <crazy_bus> is there any way to have konversation automatically translate a language someone types via a online service such as google translate?
[02:56] <slougi> and the above is standard POSIX afaik
[02:56] <Minataku> You can more than likely fix the script by changing #!/bin/sh to #!/bin/bash
[02:57] <runlevelten> Minataku: It may be, but it will still break an assload of stuff if sh was previously providing a certain shell and that changes.
[02:57] <Minataku> slougi: I'm not sure if it is or not, I'm not versed on the standard
[02:57] <slougi> Minataku: not an option as i use the same thing in some init scripts
[02:57] <Hobbsee> !dash
[02:57] <ubotu> /bin/sh links to the DASH shell in Ubuntu Edgy (6.10). Since DASH is not 100% compatible with the BASH shell, some scripts might break. You can make scripts execute using BASH by changing the first line of the script to  #! /bin/bash 
[02:57] <Hobbsee> oh, i thought we had a link in there
[02:57] <Minataku> slougi: You could remake the symlink to point to /bin/bash, but that could break all of Ubuntu's stuff
[02:58] <Minataku> So naturally isn't recommended
[02:58] <slougi> Minataku: well yes, but that's a local fix only :-)
[02:58] <Minataku> Alternately if you need more power than convienence, switch distributions
[02:58] <Hobbsee> no, wouldnt *break*, per se.
[02:58] <slougi> Minataku: wow, calm down
[02:58] <Minataku> I find *buntu to be perfect for "just works"... and really only that
[02:59] <slougi> Hobbsee: i see, i didn't mean to stirr up a hornets nest or anything
[02:59] <runlevelten> I find ubuntu not very good for "just works"
[02:59] <Minataku> If you want "plays well with users", I'd recommend a different distribution which offers more user control
[02:59] <Hobbsee> slougi: no problem
[02:59] <slougi> it's just that i want those scripts to work as widely as possible
[02:59] <Minataku> runlevelten: I mean "just works" in a Windows sense, it installs and works for Average Q. Joe
[02:59] <runlevelten> Most notably because I use kde. Ubuntu's KDE is quite unrefined compared to SuSE's
[03:00] <runlevelten> for instance
[03:00] <slougi> currently the BSD's work, solaris works, redhat-derived stuff works, *buntu is broken ;)
[03:02] <Minataku> NetBSD has an actual /bin/sh
[03:02] <Minataku> Debian links /bin/sh to bash
[03:02] <runlevelten> Basically, let ubuntu play its game, and replace sh shebangs with bash ones.
[03:02] <Minataku> Or
[03:02] <Minataku> Make multiple scripts, the first one a checker script
[03:03] <Minataku> See whether /bin/sh is real/linked to bash or if it's linked to dash
[03:03] <runlevelten> I mean in reality, it is broken to assume the default shell slougi
[03:03] <slougi> you can work around that, the same syntax works, just not inside []  style checks, all you need is another temporary variable. it's still an annoyance.
[03:03] <runlevelten> On a given system the default shell could be _anything_
[03:03] <Minataku> runlevelten: Doesn't matter
[03:04] <runlevelten> sorry, sh link
[03:04] <slougi> runlevelten: i think on unix-like systems the only sane thing is to assume that you have a POSIX compatible shell
[03:04] <slougi> otherwise you go mad
[03:04] <Minataku> runlevelten: Considering it's expected to be either real or linked to bash
[03:04] <Minataku> Which is typically the case on practically everything
[03:04] <Minataku> I'd say *buntu's decision was bad
[03:04] <Hobbsee> slougi: posix compatible, yes.  which dash is.
[03:05] <runlevelten> I agree, but by and large it's still really broken
[03:05] <Hobbsee> [23:03]  <Mithrandir> uh, that's quite special, since the BSDs generally have strict-ish /bin/sh-s
[03:05] <Hobbsee> [23:03]  <broonie> *Solaris* works. Ah, they're not being completely unreasonable.
[03:05] <Hobbsee> [23:04]  <StevenK> That is not standard POSIX.
[03:05] <runlevelten> by really broken, I mean really when you get down to it, not very broken ;)
[03:05] <Minataku> Hobbsee: Then how come a true sh works?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> [23:04]  <StevenK> ${variable} will work, ${variable:0} and similar are bashisms
[03:05] <slougi> hmm
[03:05] <Hobbsee> [23:05]  <StevenK> Hobbsee: I wonder, given that line if they're trying to determine the directory name is a symlink. If so, there are better ways. :-)
[03:06] <slougi> weird then that dash will accept those bashims as well just as long as they are outside [] 
[03:06] <Silent_G> Graham,  would installing gnome still be able to use KDE ? and will it solve that error?
[03:06] <Minataku> Who maintains dash?
[03:06] <slougi> Hobbsee: where's that discussion taking place?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> slougi: #ubuntu-devel
[03:06] <Minataku> Is this an Ubuntu creation?
[03:06] <runlevelten> It is annoying, because "POSIX compliant" is a lot less important in real life than what the actual shell supports.
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Maintainer: Ubuntu Core Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Original-Maintainer: Gerrit Pape <pape@smarden.org>
[03:06] <Hobbsee> so, no
[03:07] <Minataku> Hm... but it's currently maintained by Ubuntu
[03:07] <Minataku> So the suspicion still stands :P
[03:07] <Hobbsee> ...a lot of things in ubuntu are maintained by ubuntu people
[03:07] <Hobbsee> debian asks us to have our addresses as the maintainer, so that they dont get the mail
[03:08] <Minataku> Ah, more spaghetti then
[03:08] <Minataku> Utter confusion for all involved :3
[03:08] <KaiSVk> runlevelten I added script in if-up.d and it doesn't work
[03:09] <Minataku> Sorry, some of the things that Ubuntu does I can't exactly agree that they're good ideas
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Minataku: there are mails and such that document all of this.  of course, that does require you reading them.  and it doenst usually matter, if yo're not a developer
[03:09] <KaiSVk> runlevelten what about adding the line in /etc/network/interfaces
[03:09] <KaiSVk> >
[03:09] <Minataku> Hobbsee: So we're expected to read years and years worth of various mailing lists and memos? :P
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Minataku: nah.
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Minataku: of course, had you asked, i would probably have found said mail, and given you the link.
[03:10] <Minataku> lol
[03:10] <Graham> Silent_G: Just install the backend of gnome, libgnome
[03:10] <Minataku> Sorry, I'm a bit disagreeable right now
[03:10] <Minataku> Or rather as usual
[03:10] <Graham> Silent_G: It shouldn't give you everything.
[03:10] <Minataku> My apologies X3
[03:10] <Graham> If it does, you can still use KDE
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Minataku: i find it better to actually fix things than to complain about them.  *shrugs*
[03:11] <runlevelten> Part of the reason I'm using kubuntu, and hanging around, is because I get asked to support it a lot.
[03:11] <Minataku> Hobbsee: Yeah, but some of *buntu's decisions or "fixes" seem to be confusing and pointless
[03:12] <Minataku> For example, knowingly breaking scripts that otherwise work fairly universally for what seems to be a trivial reason
[03:12] <runlevelten> Stuff like sh-> dash is going to break for a lot of the support I would have given people
[03:12] <Minataku> It looks less like an improvement for anyone than just jumping up and down, waving your arms and screaming "WE'RE DIFFERENT! WE'RE MORE POSIX COMPLIANT!"
[03:13] <runlevelten> Because I would have told them to pop such and such in a shell script, and they're going to read about the #!/bin/sh shebang  when they find out how to make a shell script online
[03:13] <runlevelten> and they wouldn't know why it didn't work, and may not realise it didn't work, heh
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Minataku: you're welcome to watch in #ubuntu-devel
[03:14] <Minataku> Actually, I better go to the bathroom... about to have an emergency :\
[03:15] <MaTiAz> :D
[03:15] <[Apollo] > ...
[03:15] <runlevelten> Don't spend too long examining the logs.
[03:15] <MaTiAz> lol
[03:16] <MaTiAz> Hmm, the current nvidia drivers support 8000 series, right?
[03:16] <Minataku> runlevelten: /dev/toilet is a symlink to /dev/null
[03:16] <Hobbsee> ...
[03:16] <Minataku> Of course it passes through a temporary memory buffer first
[03:16] <Minataku> Which is then flushed to the destination
[03:17] <MaTiAz> I love it when nerds talk about normal stuff with computer language
[03:17] <Minataku> Heehee
[03:17] <Minataku> Anyway, I found my reading material
[03:17] <[Apollo] > lol
[03:17] <runlevelten> Of course, you have to tail that log slowly, don't want an unmanageably large amount of output in one go.
[03:17] <[Apollo] > STOP IT NOW
[03:17] <[Apollo] > I'M eating
[03:18] <MaTiAz> haha
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Minataku: dude.  seriously.  inappropriate.
[03:18] <MaTiAz> I watched C.S.I. when I was eating my lunch
[03:18] <MaTiAz> I actually got it down without it coming up :)
[03:18] <runlevelten> | sed s/poo/relevant/g
[03:19] <Silent_G> Graham, libgnome-2 is already installed
[03:19] <polys> cyprus
[03:30] <yudy> hi everyone
[03:30] <granddaddy> hey guys
[03:31] <yudy> just installed my kubuntu linux
[03:31] <yudy> what's the next step?
[03:31] <yudy> can anyone help?
[03:32] <hero> well, what do you want to do?
[03:32] <hero> (you're in the right place, btw)
[03:33] <yudy> what thing should I set after installation finished?
[03:33] <hero> yudy: i'm not sure i understand your question.
[03:33] <yudy> security? update?
[03:34] <ttan> can anyone help me with asus wl-138g v2??? please!
[03:34] <yudy> do I have to update kubuntu like windows using windows update?
[03:34] <caboose_1980> how does someone with windows get konversation?
[03:34] <hero> !apt-get > yudy
[03:35] <hero> caboose_1980: konversation does not run on windows
[03:35] <caboose_1980> oh
[03:35] <caboose_1980> are you serious?
[03:35] <hero> caboose_1980: if you don't believe me, ask in #konversation
[03:36] <yudy> ok
[03:36] <yudy> i'll try them out
[03:36] <yudy> thx hero
[03:36] <hero> caboose_1980: x-chat will run on windows, though
[03:36] <ttan> caboose tried with cgywin?
[03:36] <caboose_1980> wait...no you have to compile KDE for windows
[03:36] <hero> yudy: no problem. you might also consider reading the current kubuntu guide
[03:36] <yudy> ok, thx for the advice :)
[03:36] <hero> yudy: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[03:37] <hero> caboose_1980: i suggest you ask in #konversation
[03:37] <caboose_1980> ok
[03:37] <ttan> is there a wifi channel?
[03:38] <hero> !wifi
[03:38] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:39] <ttan> not the docs but a chat..
[03:39] <hero> well, you can ask here, and in a number of channels on freenode
[03:39] <hero> you also may consider running a channel /list but i wouldn't recommend that if you're on a slow connection
[03:40] <ttan> ok,  thanks.. i've just a problem with the asus wl-138g v2--
[03:41] <hero> in my experience, it's difficult to find the right wifi stuff
[03:41] <hero> you might just hang out until things get real active in here and then ask
[03:41] <BluesKaj> howdy all :)
[03:41] <ttan> yes.. i had some troubles to activate the pci card, now it founds the networks but doesn't connect--
[03:42] <hero> ttan: why not just try the link ubotu pasted for you for starters?
[03:43] <BluesKaj> thanks genii :)
[03:43] <genii> Anytime
[03:43] <ttan> tried yet..
[03:49] <samaris> hello ?
[03:50] <samaris> someone can help me pliz?
[03:50] <genii> samaris Just say what your problem is then maybe someone will know how to help you
[03:50] <pag> samaris, with what?
[03:51] <samaris> i have a notebook gateway mt3707 and i just intall ubuntu and i cant get any sound
[03:52] <hero> !sound > samaris
[03:52] <caboose_1980> yea type that in konsole or terminal
[03:54] <samaris> with sound
[03:54] <hero> samaris: read what ubotu messaged you
[03:56] <samaris> yes im reading
[03:59] <korobase> hi,all
[03:59] <korobase> How to let the man tool show the C's functions?
[04:00] <grul> 
[04:00] <grul> korobase, i   manpages-dev                                                                - Manual pages about using GNU/Linux for development
[04:01] <grul> korobase, then you have man pages for exec, fork, open, close, read, etc.
[04:01] <korobase> Ok,Thank you very much!
[04:08] <anandanbu> How do i change the permissions for my USB pen drive to enable the write support
[04:08] <hero> chmod?
[04:09] <pag> anandanbu, which FS does the pen-drive have?
[04:09] <anandanbu> pag: it has FAT32 iam able to read from it but not able to write to it
[04:10] <ksivaji> hi
[04:10] <pag> anandanbu, it's probably mounted with some wrong options (I don't know the right ones - sorry)  open your filemanager with root-permissions, and see if you can write that way
[04:10] <pag> hello ksivaji :)
[04:10] <ksivaji> hi pag
[04:11] <anandanbu> pag: how do i open the file manager with root permissions
[04:11] <pag> anandanbu, alt+f2 -> kdesu konqueror /media/
[04:12] <anandanbu> pag: how in gnome
[04:12] <pag> gksudo nautilus  maybe?
[04:12] <ksivaji> hi stdin
[04:13] <anandanbu> pag: thanks for the kind help
[04:14] <genii> gksu
[04:16] <ttan> well, some help with asus wl-138g v2??
[04:17] <ksivaji> !ask
[04:17] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:19] <ttan> sorry! well, the pci is installed on kubu 7.04, finds the network but doesn't connect to them..-
[04:22] <ttan> so?
[04:23] <operaciones> hay alguien de venezuela
[04:24] <pag> !es | operaciones
[04:24] <ubotu> operaciones: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:24] <jamalis> no pero hablo un poquito espagnol
[04:39] <Silent_G>  can somebody help me? when someone sends me a message or anything the channels and the messages are not being highlited , only the toolbar is beeing highlighted
[04:39] <pag> Silent_G, which client?
[04:39] <Silent_G> Xchat :S
[04:40] <Hobbsee> Silent_G: probably depends on if they're actually using your nick in the message or not
[04:40] <Silent_G> yes but i want the nicknames in the side to be highlighted when they talk to me
[04:40] <Silent_G> and i want the channels to be in a colour when someone talks in that channel
[04:40] <Silent_G> you know what i mean
[04:41] <pag> Silent_G, sorry, but the only advice I can give, is try to look in the settings. I don't have XChat installed, so I can't look it for you.
[04:41] <Silent_G> heh ok
[04:43] <BluesKaj> Silent_G,  look in settings/preferences/colors
[04:43] <Silent_G> yes the colours are setted
[04:43] <Silent_G> but still :S
[04:44] <Silent_G> maybe i should delete it and re-install it?
[04:45] <pag> Silent_G, btw. Xchat or xchat-gnome?
[04:45] <Silent_G> xchat
[04:45] <pag> ok.. there should be settings for highlights... try to look there
[04:51] <BluesKaj> hmm, trying xchat for the first time in ages , now i know why I seldom use it :)
[04:51] <Lattyware> BluesKaj: What do you use?
[04:51] <amnesiac> amnesiac isback from second life ---- freakt on it for weeks its a nice virtual world
[04:51] <amnesiac> hi folks
[04:51] <BluesKaj> usually konverstation
[04:52] <Lattyware> BluesKaj: Konversation sucks! It's so watered down.
[04:52] <elite101> sweet red alert2 yuris revenge works!!!
[04:52] <Lattyware> Although frankly, I don't think any IRC client is powerful enough. All of them seem very watered down.
[04:52] <elite101> just installing it now
[04:53] <BluesKaj> well, to each his own. The only thing Konverstaion lacks is a server auto-list
[04:53] <Lattyware> Irssi is probably the best thing there. But I really don't want to use a CLI app like that, so xChat is is.
[04:53] <runlevelten> erc and irssi alright.
[04:53] <amnesiac> trie to find irc warscripts when you are looking for a nice irc prog
[04:54] <amnesiac> irssi is a nice thing
[04:54] <runlevelten> warscripts. Whatever.
[04:54] <grml> is there a way to auto-reconfigure the X11? my xorg.conf file is no longer running
[04:55] <Lattyware> grml: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86  ?
[04:55] <Lattyware> sprry
[04:55] <Lattyware> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:55] <Lattyware> even
[04:55] <amnesiac> grml: the command is in the konsole sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[04:55] <BluesKaj> in the CLI , grml , sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:55] <grml> Lattyware: i tried that with xserver-xorg but it does not detect any hardware correctly
[04:56] <amnesiac> trie the -phigh dude
[04:57] <miles> ok
[04:57] <miles> i am here
[04:59] <amnesiac> out of time
[05:00] <amnesiac> oei wrong chat window
[05:00] <amnesiac> lol
[05:00] <amnesiac> hi elite
[05:01] <BluesKaj> grml, in the k-menu/system settings/monitor&display/hardware/administrator mode/configure graphics card or monitor , or both...from the drop down list find the appropriate driver forthe hardware, choose the driver, and click 'apply'
[05:03] <amnesiac> are there any wardrivers in tha house??? have probs with kismet.scource
[05:03] <amnesiac> ???
[05:03] <amnesiac> ok i guess not
[05:06] <miles> laffs
[05:07] <runlevelten> BluesKaj: what do you mean by server autolist?
[05:09] <miles> you guys just would not believe how frickin hilarious my co-workers are!
[05:09] <miles> sike!
[05:09] <runlevelten> miles: in what way?
[05:09] <miles> nah im just messing around, they suck
[05:12] <miles> hey so in order to mount a samba share, you must first mount it using smbclient, correct?
[05:14] <BluesKaj> runlevelten, on xchat , mirc and other IRC clients the irc servers are automatically listed with optional inputs from the user ... konverstion no aotmatic server list ...all servers are input by the user
[05:15] <sdlnxgk> anyone good at video card issues??
[05:16] <runlevelten> So you'd prefer to see the server list from the other clients bundled with konversation too?
[05:16] <sdlnxgk> been going on two days and can't get my xorg.conf file to stay once rebooted
[05:16] <BluesKaj> not other clients
[05:17] <sdlnxgk> anyway to reset KDE user parameters?
[05:17] <runlevelten> sdlnxgk: log out, move the .kde folder, log in again
[05:17] <sdlnxgk> in root xorg.conf works great but in my user I have to keep going to config after ever boot up
[05:18] <runlevelten> BluesKaj: not other clients? from where then?
[05:18] <sdlnxgk> runlevelten, thanks will give that a shot, been driving me crazy only think I can  think of
[05:18] <sdlnxgk> brb
[05:19] <BluesKaj> runlevelten, it should be built in
[05:19] <zero> my nvidia drivers wont work :9
[05:20] <runlevelten> Yeah, that's what I said. The server list you get in other clients, bundled with konversation.
[05:20] <roald_> zero: what have you tried?
[05:21] <zero> i just downloaded the file
[05:21] <zero> tried to run it and it told me x was running so i couldnt install them
[05:22] <zero> i entered console and installed from there
[05:22] <miles> #samba
[05:22] <zero> typed startx and worked
[05:22] <zero> everything was fine
[05:22] <zero> then i rebooted and it stopped working :(
[05:22] <Yorokobi> zero, downloaded the file from the Ubuntu repositories or from the nVidia website?
[05:23] <zero> nvidia site
[05:23] <Yorokobi> zero, why not use the repository version?
[05:23] <zero> i tried to dl from adept but had the same result
[05:24] <Yorokobi> zero, did you change the driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf from "nv" to "nvidia"?
[05:24] <zero> no i didnt knew i should do that...
[05:24] <aldcor> aldcor
[05:24] <zero> i once installed drivers from automatix and worked fine without having to do anything
[05:24] <amayera> hi
[05:25] <Yorokobi> automatix? oy
[05:25] <zero> what?
[05:25] <BluesKaj> zero, you got lucky :)
[05:25] <Yorokobi> automatix breaks as much (if not more) than it tries to fix
[05:25] <amayera> are there plans to build KDE 4.0 Beta 1 for kubuntu and give a server for that?
[05:25] <cho> #kubuntu-de
[05:25] <cho> ups
[05:25] <zero> i didnt knew that...
[05:25] <aldcor> aldcor
[05:25] <zero> it is good i dont use it now
[05:25] <BluesKaj> !automatix | zero
[05:25] <ubotu> zero: Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[05:25] <zero> so what should i do to make it work?
[05:25] <zero> omg
[05:26] <zero> thats why i had to reinstall kubuntu...
[05:26] <Yorokobi> zero, purge the nvidia-glx* packages, rm the file from the NV website, reboot, then try again via aptitude/adept
[05:26] <zero> w8
[05:26] <zero> i am kinda confused
[05:26] <amayera> are there plans to build KDE 4.0 Beta 1 for kubuntu and give a server for that?
[05:26] <zero> what does purge mean?
[05:27] <Yorokobi> zero, sudo aptitude purge nvidia-glx-*
[05:27] <BluesKaj> removes all files including configure
[05:27] <BluesKaj> !purge
[05:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about purge - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:27] <BluesKaj> bumb ubot
[05:28] <Cool_gamer8119> Wow. Lots of people come ang go on this server.....
[05:28] <elite101> hey i am having problems trying to mount a hdd
[05:28] <BluesKaj> err dumbumb ubotu
[05:28] <elite101> it has windows ME on it but it wont mount for some reason?
[05:29] <zero> what will i do after running this cmd yokorobi?
[05:29] <sdlnxgk> ok who was it that just helped me??
[05:29] <dr_willis> Not me. :)
[05:29] <sdlnxgk> about moving the .kde to another folder !!!
[05:30] <Yorokobi> zero, once it is purged, run 'sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-new'
[05:30] <aldcor> aldcor
[05:30] <dr_willis> moving the .kde directory to like .kde_old ?
[05:30] <sdlnxgk> now I know how to fix all the damn problems I have been having issues with :)
[05:30] <sdlnxgk> dr_willis yes well that was the fix
[05:30] <dr_willis> ive had issues in the past with upgrades and old .kde settings.
[05:30] <Graham> sdlnxgk: Why would you want to do that?
[05:30] <dr_willis> gnome alsi gave me some issues.
[05:30] <cmvo> Hi! I'm having a strange problem in kword in edgy: The open and save dialogs hang with a
[05:30] <elite101> why isnt my harddrive mounting
[05:30] <sdlnxgk> been having issues when playing some games it changes the resolution then it will not stay and the kicker pager panel will not load
[05:31] <dr_willis> elite101,  try dmesg to see if any errors show up.. perhaps give us more details.
[05:31] <elite101> whats dmesg?
[05:31] <cmvo> "DCOP aborting while waiting for answer from 'kded'" error message on the command line. Anybody seen this problem?
[05:31] <sdlnxgk> Graham, because KDE was being gay and didn't want to keep a setting for my nvidia card
[05:31] <elite101> it says connont mount hdd cables are lose or something
[05:31] <dr_willis> elite101,  a command you type in the shell
[05:31] <zero> the new one you mean from the nvidia site yokorobi?
[05:31] <elite101> okay
[05:31] <aldcor> aldcor
[05:31] <dr_willis> elite101,  that would be a suprising error message when it says 'cables are loose'
[05:32] <elite101> there is way to much stuff to read in the konsole
[05:32] <sdlnxgk> Zero not a new card no... but  wouldn't work with any driver I used... the xorg.conf file was correct but just wouldn't use it for some odd reason
[05:32] <aldcor> aldcor
[05:32] <Yorokobi> zero, no, the one from the Ubuntu repositories. It works so there's no need to get the one from the NV website
[05:32] <sdlnxgk> but all fixed now
[05:32] <zero> you mean from adept?
[05:33] <elite101> please check if the deviece is plugged in?
[05:33] <dr_willis> elite101,  try mounting it manually, see if it fails and with what error.
[05:33] <Yorokobi> zero, yup. The aptitude command I provided above will do it for you better than adept
[05:33] <Cool_gamer8119> How do I upgrade from Kubuntu 6.10 to Kubuntu 7.04?
[05:33] <elite101> it does
[05:33] <pag> !upgrade | Cool_gamer8119
[05:33] <ubotu> Cool_gamer8119: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[05:33] <sdlnxgk> maybe you need to turn the switch on in /etc/fstab so it will mount when it boots up ;)
[05:33] <zero> the purge cmd?
[05:34] <Cool_gamer8119> Ok thanks.
[05:34] <Yorokobi> zero, the purge then the install (sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-new)
[05:34] <dr_willis> bbl.
[05:35] <elite101> its missing something /devhdb1/
[05:35] <elite101> and etc/fstab
[05:35] <elite101> or etc/mtab
[05:36] <zero> sudo aptitude purge NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.11-pkg1.run ?
[05:36] <roald_> purge nvidia-glx*
[05:36] <Yorokobi> zero, no, that's not a Ubuntu package, you can just 'rm NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.11-pkg1.run'
[05:37] <zero> i rmed it
[05:38] <zero> and i did the second cmd
[05:38] <roald_> zero: remember, always try to install something via the repository, using adept, apt-get or aptitude
[05:38] <sdlnxgk> ok brb need to get SLI back up and working
[05:38] <elite101> can any help me
[05:39] <zero> which one is better to use?
[05:39] <dr_willis> elite101,  i think you may want to go read a starter/tutorial guide on how drives are mounted under linux.
[05:39] <zero> i had some problem with apt-get before...
[05:39] <dr_willis> elite101,  yore not being very clear on the error mesages, or what you are trying to do exactly
[05:39] <elite101> it wount mount i tried everything its a NTFS partition they just wont mount
[05:39] <Yorokobi> zero, aptitude is the best to use from the command line as it will automatically try to resolve package dependencies better than apt-get
[05:39] <zero> it is installed...so now i try to see if it works?
[05:40] <elite101> mount it so i can copy afile who is that not clear?
[05:40] <BluesKaj> roald_, installing video drivers is the exception to the rule , altho i do agree that using apt, adept and synaptic , is usually the best way.
[05:40] <Yorokobi> zero, did you run 'sudo nvidia-glx-config enable'?
[05:40] <dr_willis> elite101,  the fact its NTFS is a very imporntant fact
[05:41] <zero> i will :D
[05:41] <dr_willis> and the fact you want to write to it is ANOTHER imprortant fact
[05:41] <zero> Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[05:41] <dr_willis> !info ntfs-config
[05:41] <ubotu> ntfs-config: Enable/disable write support for any NTFS devices. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.5-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 41 kB, installed size 432 kB
[05:41] <zero> This script cannot proceed automatically. If you believe that this
[05:41] <elite101> i said that up there^^
[05:41] <zero> not correct, you can update the md5sum entry executing the following
[05:41] <zero> command:
[05:41] <zero> md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum
[05:41] <zero> otherwise edit manually /etc/X11/xorg.conf to change the Driver section
[05:41] <zero> from nv to nvidia.
[05:41] <zero> :(
[05:41] <dr_willis> elite101,  i woudl suggest installing ntfs-config , and running it with 'sudo ntfs-config'
[05:41] <roald_> BluesKaj: you are right about the video drivers, but then you could make a deb too, right?
[05:42] <OuZo> when i plug my flash drive in nothing happens. it works in gnome... is there something i need to change? thanks
[05:42] <Yorokobi> zero, then use 'kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf' and change "nv" to "nvidia"
[05:42] <BluesKaj> roald_, maybe you could...i've never attempted to make a .deb
[05:42] <elite101> it wont mount at all and now eveytime i type my monitor is getting screwed it is getting fuzzy for some reason? i need a new computer
[05:43] <zero> xorg.conf is blank...
[05:43] <thrilla> hey all
[05:43] <jhutchins_lt> zero: You must open it as root using sudo or kdesu.
[05:43] <thrilla> i need a bit of help
[05:43] <zero> i opened with nano
[05:44] <pag> !ask | thrilla
[05:44] <ubotu> thrilla: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:44] <jhutchins_lt> zero: You must still open it using sudo or kdesu.
[05:44] <thrilla> trying to install kubuntu i keep getting a error about hdc when installing
[05:44] <BluesKaj> zero,you still need permission
[05:44] <zero> oh
[05:44] <zero> if i open like sudo nano?
[05:44] <thrilla> something about try to boot using irqpoll
[05:45] <BluesKaj> zero, in order to edit a file ..permission is always required
[05:45] <thrilla> what the heck do i do?
[05:45] <zero> i knew that :P
[05:45] <BluesKaj> yeah , i use kdesu kate in the run command myself
[05:46] <zero> i make driver "nv" driver "nvidia" ?
[05:46] <BluesKaj> alt+f2 , zero
[05:46] <Yorokobi> zero, yes. Then save+quit and restart X
[05:46] <jhutchins_lt> thrilla: Are you able to boot to the live CD?  Does this happen after the install when you try to start the new installation?
[05:47] <zero> wish me luck :)
[05:47] <thrilla> no it happens during install of kubuntu
[05:47] <thrilla> the live cd won't boot either
[05:47] <thrilla> i get the menu, but after picking to start the install it gives the error
[05:48] <BluesKaj> Yorokobi, yup :)
[05:48] <thrilla> i let it go for about 10 minutes to make sure it wasn't just some garbage i didn't understand
[05:48] <thrilla> and keept on looping the error message
[05:48] <Yorokobi> BluesKaj, luck is too fickle :)
[05:48] <pag> thrilla, do as kernel suggest, and try to boot with irqpoll
[05:49] <thrilla> how?
[05:49] <BluesKaj> Yorokobi, yeah , good and bad luck ...wish him goodluck
[05:49] <runlevelten> God I love awk :D
[05:50] <pag> thrilla, when you boot, there should be an option to edit boot options.. choose that, and write ircpoll between quiet and splash so the end of the bootline would look like ..."quiet irqpoll splash"
[05:50] <thrilla> you mean press f6?
[05:51] <pag> thrilla, maybe... I haven't used live-cd for a while, so I don't know the exact shortcuts
[05:51] <thrilla> ok, i'll give it a try and see what happens
[05:51] <thrilla> if not i'll bbl
[05:55] <zero> it didnt work :(
[05:55] <zero> Fatal server error:
[05:55] <zero> no screens found
[05:55] <Yorokobi> zero, what nvidia card do you have?
[05:55] <zero> Gforce FX 5200
[05:56] <zero> worked fine before
[05:56] <zero> i reinstalled kubuntu and everything is worse
[05:56] <zero> :(
[05:56] <zero> i thought linux would not be like windows
[05:57] <zero> ?
[05:57] <Yorokobi> zero, instead of nvidia-glx-new, nvidia-glx-legacy (for older cards)
[05:58] <zero> i am not sure if my card is new or legacy...
[05:58] <zero> i will google
[05:58] <BluesKaj> zero, have you checked system settings/monitor&display/hardware/administrator mode/configure graphics card
[06:00] <thrilla> error still
[06:00] <zero> sometimes i click admin mode and it stucks really annoying
[06:00] <pag> I think it's just nvidia-glx  -legacy is for cards older than GF2 and -new for 8000-series  iirc.
[06:00] <ubuntu> cz3sc
[06:00] <pag> thrilla, the same one?
[06:00] <zero> and what do i do then?
[06:00] <thrilla> now i am getting errors on hdc logical block errors
[06:00] <ubuntu> czesc
[06:00] <zero> :S
[06:00] <ubuntu> jestescie specami od ubuntu???
[06:00] <thrilla> is my hd fuxored?
[06:00] <pag> !cz | ubuntu
[06:00] <ubotu> ubuntu: esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[06:01] <ubuntu> to nie czeski tylko polski!
[06:01] <pag> !pl
[06:01] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[06:01] <ubuntu> aha
[06:01] <ubuntu> to nara
[06:01] <zero> it was workin fine before with automatix but i dont want to install it now
[06:02] <BluesKaj> zero, have you checked system settings/monitor&display/hardware/administrator mode/configure graphics card
[06:03] <zero> i have no drivers atm
[06:03] <thrilla> so what now?
[06:03] <zero> using the default xorg.conf
[06:03] <BluesKaj> zero,there maybe drivers listed
[06:03] <zero> i click admin mode
[06:03] <zero> and it stops and this is driving me crazy
[06:04] <pag> thrilla, dunno... you could try noapic and noacpi -options too, but I doubt they'll be any good... it feels like there's a problem with your HD
[06:04] <BluesKaj> zero, doesn't ask for password?
[06:04] <zero> no
[06:04] <obelix> does anyone knows any bartending software?
[06:04] <zero> and i like kubuntu so much
[06:04] <zero> but some things...
[06:05] <BluesKaj> ok zero,sudo dpkg --configure -a , in the terminal
[06:05] <thrilla> well, does kubuntu have any known issues with hardware?
[06:05] <BluesKaj> zero, then relogin
[06:06] <zero> ok
[06:06] <Yorokobi> thrilla, are you trying to install to a software RAID device (in particular, an nvidia or SiI controlled software RAID)?
[06:07] <thrilla> no, but i have a raid card installed
[06:07] <zero> i did it
[06:07] <zero> now?
[06:07] <thrilla> nothing is hooked up to it
[06:07] <BluesKaj> zero, try system settings again
[06:07] <zero> wont work GRRRRRRRRR
[06:08] <BluesKaj> ok, zero, sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a in the terminal
[06:08] <zero> i found a distro i like and now i get 100 errors on a 2 days system...
[06:08] <thrilla> lol
[06:08] <BluesKaj> make sure system settings is closed
[06:08] <thrilla> my other box with kubuntu installed doesn't do this
[06:09] <jhutchins_lt> Man, it really should not be legal or possible to domain squat on a .org domain.
[06:09] <thrilla> thou it has 7 not 6 installed on it
[06:09] <zero> i did it blueskaj
[06:10] <BluesKaj> zero, sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a ?
[06:10] <zero> yeah
[06:10] <zero> and settings open now
[06:10] <tams> hey
[06:10] <zero> thats what this cmd does?
[06:11] <thrilla> so what do i do in my case?
[06:12] <BluesKaj> zero, the cmnd  closes any instances of pending pkg installs or removals
[06:12] <zero> oh
[06:12] <lokto> hola alguien en espaol
[06:12] <zero> so i am at hardware now
[06:12] <BluesKaj> you had an install hangigng (incomplete) that was blocking access
[06:12] <BluesKaj> ok now admin mode
[06:12] <zero> yeah
[06:12] <zero> i am there
[06:13] <BluesKaj> what graphics card is listed ?
[06:13] <thrilla> the system was trying to protect itself
[06:13] <zero> NVIDIA GeForce FX
[06:13] <zero> (generic)
[06:13] <thrilla> anyhow, it may be the dvd i used
[06:13] <thrilla> have had problems with them before, this time i'll grab the cd version
[06:14] <BluesKaj> ok  zero click configure and look in the drop down list for your specific card
[06:14] <zero> there is no specific card
[06:14] <zero> only GeForce FX series
[06:14] <thrilla> then try that
[06:15] <zero> and it says video RAM 256kb
[06:15] <zero> :S
[06:15] <thrilla> i'm gonna watch tv while this thing downloads
[06:16] <thrilla> typo maybe?
[06:16] <zero> blueskaj?
[06:17] <BluesKaj> zero, did you click on "configure"
[06:17] <BluesKaj> ?
[06:17] <zero> yeah
[06:17] <BluesKaj> ok now , configure your monitor
[06:18] <zero> my monitor works fine
[06:19] <thrilla> better to make sure xwindows has the right settings zero
[06:19] <BluesKaj> zero,make sure you have the same monitor driver , if possible
[06:20] <BluesKaj> zero, ppl forget the monitor is important as well, the graphics card and monitor work as a team
[06:20] <killermach> I just did a fresh kubuntu install and smb4k doesn't work, I can do "sudo smbmount //server/share /mnt/point/ -o username=me" type in my pass and I get a mount, how to do I fix smb4k?
[06:20] <zero> but it worked fine before installing again :(
[06:20] <thrilla> not to mention wrong settings can kill your hardware
[06:22] <randy> !sound
[06:22] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[06:22] <BluesKaj> zero, when you change graphics drivers they have to work with the monitor as well
[06:22] <zero> should i install drivers and then uninstall it?
[06:22] <killermach> I already did a chmod +s for /usr/bin/smbmnt and smbumount which worked before on my previous install until yesterday
[06:22] <zero> should i install drivers with automatix and then uninstall it?
[06:23] <c2c2rock> i am attempting to migrate from mandriva 2007.1 to kubuntu-7.04-alternate-amd64 any tips and or places to go for help?
[06:24] <thrilla> lets hope downloading kubuntu 7 solves my issue
[06:24] <thrilla> the dam thing wont even install
[06:24] <zero> i cant reinstall kubuntu every time i get errors
[06:25] <thrilla> most times, you don't have to
[06:26] <killermach> kmix has no sound control, new install on Fiesty and all updates
[06:26] <randy> Hey everyone, Im having trouble with my soundcard and ive tried most of the things in those links and it still wont work.  Anyone else have a suggestion to try?
[06:27] <killermach> n/m on smb4k, I just clicked a share again, and it mounted.. hmm.. not sure what changed between asking here and trying again
[06:27] <thrilla> who knows
[06:27] <thrilla> i'd log out and log back in, try it agian to be sure it works
[06:28] <Yorokobi> killermach, sometimes you have to use alsamixer to set appropriate sound levels before kmix will work
[06:28] <rjb> why does konqueror insist that java applets shouldn't run?
[06:28] <rjb> anyone know of a fix?
[06:28] <killermach> Yorokobi, in System Settings? I've looked around in there and "test sound" button works, I have sound but no systray control
[06:29] <Yorokobi> killermach, alsamixer is a curses (terminal) app
[06:29] <Yorokobi> killermach, if you want a systray icon, kmix will work but you may have to tell it to use the systray
[06:30] <Yorokobi> kmix->Settings->Configure KMix->Dock into panel
[06:30] <killermach> Yorokobi, hmm.. I didn't have to change anything on my last install from the same 7.04 CD on this same machine
[06:31] <Yorokobi> killermach, *shrug*
[06:31] <killermach> Yorokobi, it's in the panel.. but no work
[06:31] <killermach> I've set the master channel to a few different ones but even in the mixer, none of the controls work when sound is playing
[06:31] <thrilla> i am burning it at 32x, never had any problems with that speed
[06:32] <c2c2rock> (2007-07-23 10:31:11) rjb:  why does konqueror insist that java applets shouldn't run? Settings>Configure konqueror > Java & JavaScript
[06:32] <c2c2rock> enable Globally
[06:32] <thrilla> ok, splash screen loaded fine
[06:32] <thrilla> is there a way to check the disk for errors?
[06:34] <Yorokobi> thrilla, the CD image has a check built into the Grub menu
[06:38] <randy> Hey everyone, Im having trouble with my soundcard and ive tried most of the things in those links and it still wont work.  Anyone else have a suggestion to try?
[06:39] <rototrolxtrol> hello
[06:39] <killermach> Yorokobi, ok .. I figured it out.. Select Master Channel needed to be Analog front, thanks for you input
[06:40] <Graham> Does anybody know how to execute commands from a shell?
[06:40] <Level15> Graham: what do you mean???
[06:40] <Yorokobi> Graham, um, type the name of the command ... ?
[06:41] <aphonis> Graham: is there something specific you are trying to do?
[06:41] <Graham> screen -d -m su -l et -c etded
[06:41] <Graham> Works when I run it from console, but when I run it from a script it doesn't work.
[06:42] <aphonis> are you sure you got the path to perl correct in your include?
[06:42] <Graham> No I'm not.
[06:43] <Yorokobi> aphonis, where does perl fit in there? Graham is it a perl script or shell script?
[06:43] <aphonis> Graham: yeah i was just assuming perl
[06:43] <Graham> Shell, lemme pastebin it for you.
[06:44] <Graham> Done: http://pastebin.com/m596e835b
[06:45] <Graham> Wait.
[06:45] <Graham> That's not right.
[06:45] <aphonis> did you chmod it to give it exec?
[06:45] <Graham> http://pastebin.com/m5f6d0f33
[06:46] <Graham> The script runs, because it echos that command.
[06:46] <Graham> I mean echo's that text "ET is running."
[06:46] <joules> hey guys .. so i found out kde was not for me ... i had it on ubuntu i uninstalled it but somehow my amarok is still showing the mac-style bar anyone knows how to fix this?
[06:46] <pag> Graham, try using /bin/bash instedad of /bin/sh
[06:46] <aphonis> try /bin/bash
[06:46] <aphonis> hey! no fair
[06:47] <BluesKaj> joules , maybe the #ubuntu channel is better for you , this is kubuntu where ppl actually like KDE
[06:47] <c2c2rock> lol
[06:47] <joules> ah .. nobody will help me there!
[06:47] <pag> joules, install kcontrol (it'll pull some depencies - nevermind them, remove them afterwards) navigate to Desktop -> behaviour
[06:48] <pag> joules, ...and disable 'mac-style bar'
[06:48] <Graham> Never worked.
[06:48] <Graham> Lemme try something.
[06:49] <joules> yeah i was going for that option if nobody knew i just dfidnt want to install all of kde and then uninstall again
[06:49] <joules> but thanks!
[06:49] <aphonis> i don't see it working if you don't chmod it
[06:49] <Graham> If I take the screen bit off it works.
[06:49] <joules> i guess kde loves are much nicer than gnome
[06:49] <Yorokobi> joules, make the switch. Drop Gnome.
[06:49] <Level15> joules: my guess is you can do it w/o installing kde
[06:50] <c2c2rock> < xfce4 kde 3.5 and gnome mixed desktop on mandriva looking to do the same with kubuntu
[06:50] <joules> haha i'like kde its just that running gnome and kde at the same time annoys me because it gives me so many apps...
[06:50] <caboose_1980> does anybody have firefox 1.5 for konsole?
[06:51] <Level15> caboose_1980: what is that?
[06:51] <pag> Level15, joules; it can also be done by removing some configuration files from ~/.kde/share/config/  but since I have no idea which ones, I didn't start to guess
[06:51] <doug_> hey could someone help me with java?
[06:51] <sdlnxgk> does anyone know  where I can get samples of xorg.conf files to find out why my SLI is not being seen in nvidia-xconfig..
[06:51] <caboose_1980> oh nvm
[06:51] <pag> !java | doug_
[06:51] <ubotu> doug_: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:51] <Yorokobi> joules, http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/07/18/removing-kde-icons-in-gnome-remove-gnome-icons-in-kde/
[06:52] <doug_> pag: i installed rpm and then tried to do the rpm installation but it didn't go through do you want the output?
[06:52] <joules> yeah i did come across that ill do it some time im bored
[06:52] <pag> doug_, don't touch .rpm's for the sake of your system :P
[06:52] <caboose_1980> no codes for konsole?
[06:53] <caboose_1980> downloads i mean
[06:53] <joules> Yorokobi: do you know if it shows firefox/thunderbird/pidgin and all those apps in both?
[06:53] <doug_> pag: lol i'm going to paste the output to make sure i'm not screwed
[06:53] <Level15> caboose_1980: i don't understand what you are asking...
[06:53] <pag> doug_, enable multiverse and command  sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[06:53] <caboose_1980> then nevermind
[06:53] <Yorokobi> joules, I don't. Let me ask Zelut ... 1m
[06:53] <joules> i like the kde environment much more but i dont like kopete
[06:53] <doug_> root@doug-laptop:/usr/java# rpm -iv jre*.rpm > /home/doug/Desktop/log.txt
[06:53] <doug_> error: Failed dependencies:
[06:53] <sdlnxgk> anyone using SLI and wish to share there xorg.conf file??
[06:53] <doug_>         /bin/basename is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:53] <doug_>         /bin/cat is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:53] <doug_>         /bin/cp is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:53] <pag> !multiverse | doug_
[06:53] <ubotu> doug_: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:53] <joules> and all those little kprograms
[06:53] <doug_>         /bin/gawk is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <doug_>         /bin/grep is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <doug_>         /bin/ln is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <sdlnxgk> !pastbin
[06:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastbin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:54] <pag> !paste | doug_
[06:54] <ubotu> doug_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:54] <doug_>         /bin/ls is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <joules> dont get me wrong there are some games and amarok that are amazing
[06:54] <doug_>         /bin/mkdir is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <doug_>         /bin/mv is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <doug_>         /bin/pwd is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <aphonis> doug_: please stop
[06:54] <doug_>         /bin/rm is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <doug_>         /bin/sed is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <doug_>         /bin/sort is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <Yorokobi> !spam | doug_
[06:54] <ubotu> doug_: Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[06:54] <doug_>         /bin/touch is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <doug_>         /usr/bin/cut is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <doug_>         /usr/bin/dirname is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <randy> oh jesus
[06:54] <doug_>         /usr/bin/expr is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:54] <randy> i yhink hes lagging
[06:55] <aphonis> !paste | doug_
[06:55] <ubotu> doug_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:55] <doug_>         /usr/bin/find is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:55] <doug_>         /usr/bin/tail is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:55] <doug_>         /usr/bin/tr is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:55] <doug_>         /usr/bin/wc is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:55] <doug_>         /bin/sh is needed by jre-1.6.0_02-fcs.i586
[06:55] <doug_> pag: sorry
[06:55] <doug_> all: sorry
[06:55] <joules> haha
[06:55] <doug_> I wasn't spamming i didn't know how to do pastebin please stop attacking me i heard it already 10 times
[06:55] <Graham> doug_: Don't spam.
[06:55] <randy> XD
[06:55] <pag> doug_, did you get the message about multiverse?
[06:55] <doug_> what is it pag?
[06:56] <Graham> I want to know! What message about multiverse?
[06:56] <Level15> ssh tunneling is cool...
[06:56] <doug_> Graham:  I just told you i didn't spam and if it was it was on accident
[06:56] <pag> doug_: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:57] <Yorokobi> joules, yeah, the solution Zelut has on his blog will remove comman apps from one of the environments (if not both)
[06:57] <Silent_G> hello, can someone tell me how can change permisions of a removable device in a GUI a program instead of console?
[06:57] <doug_> pag: thanks, but could someone help me with my output? because it's saying it can't find a whole bunch of folders in /bin/
[06:58] <Yorokobi> joules, he adds:  If you'd like the common apps still shared just
[06:58] <Yorokobi>                           remove the OnlyShowIn= option in the .desktop file
[06:58] <pag> !rpm | doug_
[06:58] <aphonis> Silent_G: right click on it select properties and then permissions
[06:58] <ubotu> doug_: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[06:58] <Yorokobi> st00pid line break
[06:58] <Silent_G> aphonis, yeah but only root can modify them :S
[06:58] <doug_> what's all this exclamation points and "|"s?
[06:59] <pag> doug_, the way to tell ubotu to tell you about something
[06:59] <pag> !ubotu | doug_
[06:59] <ubotu> doug_: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:59] <joules> pag: yeah it worked as i suspected thanks!
[06:59] <doug_> pag: thanks
[07:00] <aphonis> Silent_G: kdesu konqueror in konsole
[07:00] <doug_> pag: when i do it in Adept, java 6 fails
[07:00] <Silent_G> ok
[07:00] <joules> Yorokobi: thanks i guess i will look into it more i just wish the default for ubuntu was kde, but w.e thanks again
[07:00] <pag> doug_, iirc java shouldn't be installed through adept
[07:00] <rjb> pag: whynot?
[07:00] <doug_> use the tar file then?
[07:01] <Graham> doug_: It was a joke :)
[07:01] <Yorokobi> joules, the default for Ubuntu is KDE if you use the Kubuntu ISO :)
[07:01] <Level15> i installed using adept...
[07:01] <galathalion> what program do i use to play a cd?
[07:01] <doug_> Graham: no problem
[07:01] <aphonis> amarok
[07:01] <pag> doug_, just open konsole, and type: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[07:01] <galathalion> i tried KsCD but it went fubar
[07:01] <Silent_G> aphonis, i opened it with sudo konqueror, is it the same?
[07:02] <aphonis> Silent_G: yeah
[07:02] <pag> Level15, rjb; oh, it's working nowdays? Great to hear that - I remembered that it stucks at the license
[07:02] <dr_willis> using 'sudo konqueror' is not a good idea.
[07:02] <dr_willis> if you must run the filemanager as 'root' be sure to close it out as soon as you are done doing the root needing tasks.
[07:02] <Level15> pag: i think... but now i'm not so sure... maybe i did it on the konsole
[07:02] <aphonis> dr_willis: he wants to change permissions of a device with konqueror, not many other options
[07:02] <dr_willis> a device? what device?
[07:03] <aphonis> dr_willis: who knows
[07:03] <Minataku> lo, dr_willis
[07:03] <joules> Yorokobi: fine ill do the switch within the next few weeks :-P
[07:03] <dr_willis> i constantly see people asking how to do somthing.. and they are approaching the 'real' problem wrongly.
[07:03] <doug_> pag: it says i already have it? lol
[07:03] <Graham> Does anybody here play enemy territory?
[07:03] <dr_willis> hay Minataku  - I got about 40lb of books  on amiga programing/hardware specs and so forth.. :) i just found.
[07:04] <pag> doug_, then it should probably work - restart your browser and enjoy
[07:04] <aphonis> dr_willis: yeah, i feel the best thing is to show how to do what they are asking the way they want to....and then they can learn from their mistakes
[07:04] <doug_> thanks
[07:04] <joules> its so sweet to have amarok being cool and not a weirdo among my apps :)
[07:04] <rjb> doug_: which browser?
[07:04] <dr_willis> aphonis,  classic case. people trying to chmod/chown /media/windowsdrive :)
[07:04] <Minataku> dr_willis: Heh, way too much for me to foot shipping on that, now
[07:04] <doug_> rjb: firefox
[07:04] <aphonis> dr_willis: indeed
[07:04] <rjb> ok, then restart and should work
[07:04] <dr_willis> Minataku,  im not even sure how much it would cost.  suppose i could check some time. 10th class. :) heh
[07:05] <Minataku> Heh
[07:05] <Minataku> A lot, trust me
[07:05] <Silent_G> aphonis, still its giving me an error, Could not change permissions for /media/CANON_DC
[07:05] <galathalion> my cd-driver doesnt work. how do i fix it?
[07:05] <rjb> (java is on by default in firefox)
[07:05] <dr_willis> Im trying to get things sorted out and cleaned out.  Collecting up packing materials at work when i can find it also.
[07:05] <randy> When I open my alsamixer (sound still not working) it says "View: [Playback]  Capture All"  How do I make it View All?
[07:05] <Mikey1310> hi can anybody help me run the live CD
[07:07] <rjb> (otoh java behaves weirdly in feisty's konqueror)
[07:07] <doug_> thank you all!
[07:07] <rjb> (but maybe just for me cause i've asked about it like 50 times on this channel, to no response)
[07:08] <Mikey1310> ok
[07:08] <Level15> rjb: it works fine for me... even on amd64
[07:10] <rjb> Level15: i didn't say it doesn't work
[07:10] <rjb> what happens is konq switches off support for java applets every time i close an applet
[07:11] <Level15> rjb: ok, it works not weirdly for me :)
[07:11] <nacho> hi
[07:11] <nacho> good morning
[07:11] <rjb> i mean te toggle in Tools: HTML settings: Java goes to off
[07:11] <rjb> and i have to switch it back on manually every time i want to load an applet
[07:12] <pag> nacho, good $timeOfTheDay to you too :)
[07:12] <Level15> rjb: lol! that's weird... maybe it's a file permission issue with your konq config file? (just guessing)
[07:12] <nacho> i have istaled kubuntu
[07:12] <nacho> but i want install apache2
[07:12] <Apollo_> Will--some time in the far future--WINE be perfect in a way that you can run any windows program without it crashing or letting you question the meaning of life? Any thoughts?
[07:13] <pag> !lamp | nacho
[07:13] <ubotu> nacho: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[07:13] <nacho> but /etc/apache2
[07:13] <nacho> not contains httpd.conf
[07:14] <Level15> [Apollo] : dunno about wine, but i saw some promising OS project which aims at full binary compatibility with Windows
[07:14] <Yorokobi> nacho, it is called apache2.conf
[07:15] <randy> say i wanna edit a file from the console, is there a command similar to gedit?
[07:16] <Sanne> randy: kate
[07:16] <nacho> yes, but i type apache2ctl test and apache2 have a erros
[07:16] <pag> !nano | randy
[07:16] <ubotu> randy: Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[07:16] <nacho> the https.conf, not exist
[07:16] <randy> thanks
[07:17] <Yorokobi> nacho, apache2ctl is /etc/init.d/apache2 (start|stop|reload) in Debian-based distros
[07:17] <aphonis> don't forget about pico
[07:17] <pag> aphonis, pico is just a symlink to nano by default
[07:17] <nacho> the service is running but not in execution
[07:17] <aphonis> pag: realy!?
[07:17] <aphonis> really
[07:17] <aphonis> i didn't know that
[07:18] <pag> aphonis, when I type pico in my konsole, it reads "GNU nono" at the top, so I guess it is a symlink
[07:18] <pag> nano even :P
[07:19] <aphonis> wild...i guess i never paid attention
[07:19] <rjb> [Apollo] : not likely i tink
[07:19] <rjb> think*
[07:20] <pag> aphonis, and by the way: so seems to be the case with vi too, it's symlinked to vim
[07:21] <nacho> sudo apache2ctl configtest
[07:21] <Yorokobi> nacho, 'sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 configtest'
[07:23] <CS5> I am trying to run a game using wine and I get the output found in this pastebin...http://pastebin.com/m1d4a5874 Could anyone help please.
[07:24] <nacho> apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory
[07:25] <Topsun> CSS: do you have the direct rendering driver installed?
[07:26] <genii> nacho Is line189 just some "include" line or similar?
[07:26] <Lynoure> nacho: does it not exist or are the permissions just too tight? If former, reninstalling would work. Or you can get copy of mine.
[07:26] <Yorokobi> nacho, either run 'sudo touch /etc/apache2/httpd.conf' or remove line 189 from /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[07:27] <nacho> ok
[07:27] <Topsun> shouldn't the httpd.conf be empty?
[07:27] <Yorokobi> Topsun, yep
[07:27] <genii> Yorokobi: Yes, since the httpd.conf is more or less a placeholder now
[07:27] <mray>  is there a way to re-write the fstab automatically (repeating the dection algorythms of the installer)?
[07:27] <CS5> Topsun: I am not sure, 1 moment.
[07:28] <nacho> apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
[07:29] <TheCreationist> Is there any way to move free space from partition #4 to partition #1 without reformatting everything?
[07:29] <Yorokobi> nacho, that's typical and shouldn't stop Apache from starting
[07:29] <nacho> i remove line 189
[07:29] <mray> TheCreationist: I think you can do that with gparted.
[07:30] <CS5> Topsun: I have libdrm installed.
[07:30] <nacho> http://localhost/ does not work
[07:30] <jhutchins_lt> You know, if he has 188 lines in httpd.conf, he's probably not working with the conf.d model, but with one that wants an actual .conf file.
[07:30] <fdoving> TheCreationist: as mray says, check out the gparted livecd, it's a 50MB iso download. google for gparted live
[07:30] <jhutchins_lt> nacho: Next time don't delete, comment it out.
[07:30] <CS5> and libgl1- GLX and DRI
[07:30] <Yorokobi> jhutchins_lt, 188+ lines in apache2.conf
[07:30] <Topsun> CSS: no i mean somthing like the ati fglrx driver or the nvidia driver
[07:30] <nacho> yes only coment
[07:30] <CS5> Oh yes
[07:31] <jhutchins_lt> nacho: Does /var/log/httpd/errors.log (or something like it) have anything useful?
[07:31] <CS5> ATI fglrx working great other than this.
[07:31] <Yorokobi> nacho, did you start Apache? or did you get the error from the configtest only?
[07:31] <jhutchins_lt> does httpd -t return anything useful?
[07:31] <nacho> i can't start
[07:32] <Yorokobi> nacho, it won't start because of the ServerName warning?
[07:32] <Yorokobi> nacho, or is there something else?
[07:32] <Topsun> CSS: try 'glxinfo |grep direct' in a console
[07:32] <genii> no server name/IP to latch onto would be my first guess
[07:33] <nacho> the service is running but not in ejcution
[07:33] <CS5> topsun i got this output Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:33] <CS5> direct rendering: No
[07:33] <CS5> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[07:34] <Topsun> CSS: then you don't have 3d accelleration :/
[07:34] <TheCreationist> mray, fdoving:  GParted will let me do that?  Seems like I would have to move partitions 2-4 further back on the drive in order to add space to #1.
[07:34] <CS5> topsun, oic, can you help with that?
[07:35] <Topsun> CSS: check '/var/log/Xorg.0.log' for errors and warnings
[07:36] <fdoving> TheCreationist: not 100% sure, but your best shot is the gparted livecd in any case.
[07:36] <Topsun> TheCreationist: depends on the partition type
[07:37] <TheCreationist> ok
[07:37] <[Apollo] > <Level15> [Apollo] : dunno about wine, but i saw some promising OS project which aims at full binary compatibility with Windows <-- you still know what it's called?
[07:37] <TheCreationist> Well, it turns out I would need to backup some 15GB of data first... and I don't have a DVD burner.  So I'm just stuck with the partitions the way they are.
[07:38] <jhutchins_lt> TheCreationist: Doing that kind of work without backups is a bad idea anyway.  You could accidentally loose it.
[07:38] <Level15> [Apollo] : no, but maybe i can find it... let me check
[07:38] <TheCreationist> jhutchins_lt: Exactly why I'm not going to try it.  I didn't realize I had that much data to backup.
[07:38] <Sanne> [Apollo] : there's ReactOS, mean that one?
[07:38] <CS5> topsun, can I pastebin you this to look at, there is  a few things that look like they could be the issue.
[07:39] <TheCreationist> jhutchins_lt: Although, I should back that stuff up anyway... but have no idea how to do so without using a ton of CDs or buying a DVD burner.
[07:39] <Level15> [Apollo] : http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html
[07:39] <Topsun> CSS, ok
[07:39] <Level15> yes, that one
[07:39] <jhutchins_lt> TheCreationist: HD's are cheap enough now you might just want to get a spare next time they're on sale - do an image backup to it and you're all set.
[07:39] <TheCreationist> jhutchins_lt: Yeah, that's not a bad idea.
[07:40] <Yorokobi> [Apollo] , another alternative to Wine is Cedega but, IIRC, it is designed primarily for games
[07:40] <TheCreationist> jhutchins_lt: Of course, my last backup drive completely failed and I lost everything on it.... my BIOS doesn't even recognize it any more.
[07:40] <CS5> topsun, i have lots of wacom errors near the end and warnings about the fglrx
[07:40] <Yorokobi> CS5, you can safely ignore the wacom junk in the Xorg log
[07:41] <CS5> ok
[07:41] <Yorokobi> ... unless you have a wacom device :)
[07:41] <Topsun> CS5: let's see the fglrx errors (for wacon you can comment out the drivers if you don't have such a device)
[07:41] <randy> AHHHH!! *just about blew out his own ear drums*
[07:41] <randy> ...WOOO SOUND WORKS!
[07:42] <CS5> gonna paste them all, 1 minute.
[07:42] <randy> i think some of my fish died of shock though >_>
[07:44] <jhutchins_lt> Yorokobi: iirc wine, cedega, and Crossover Office all use the same codebase.
[07:44] <CS5> Topsun, http://pastebin.com/m2f7edd12
[07:45] <Yorokobi> jhutchins_lt, that sounds right.
[07:45] <CS5> Topsun, those are taken from all over in the log, in order but lots of info in between I didn't add. If you need more just holla
[07:46] <przemek_> hi
[07:47] <przemek_> have problem help me ?
[07:47] <Topsun> CS5: no, that's enough from this file but let me see your '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[07:47] <CS5> ok
[07:48] <Topsun> przemek_: don't say that you hav a problem just say your problem ^^
[07:48] <przemek_> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[07:48] <przemek_>   Major opcode:  145
[07:48] <przemek_>   Minor opcode:  3
[07:48] <przemek_>   Resource id:  0x0
[07:48] <przemek_> Failed to open device
[07:48] <przemek_> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[07:49] <Topsun> przemek_: you have to use pastebin
[07:49] <CS5> topsun, http://pastebin.com/m7914536e
[07:49] <CS5> !pastebin
[07:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:49] <pag> !baddevice
[07:49] <ubotu> If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[07:49] <przemek_> help me
[07:49] <pag> przemek_, see what ubotu just said
[07:49] <przemek_> help me plx
[07:50] <CS5> przemek, be patient someone will help when they can.
[07:50] <CS5> przemek, sometimes it takes a bit but they will....Word
[07:51] <przemek_> duzo nie rozumiem
[07:51] <przemek_> moze jakis polak
[07:51] <przemek_> ?
[07:51] <pag> !pl | przemek_
[07:51] <ubotu> przemek_: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[07:51] <makuseru> !uif
[07:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uif - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:51] <makuseru> !.uif
[07:52] <przemek_> !en
[07:52] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[07:52] <ufo123> przemek_: co ci nie dziaa?
[07:55] <Silent_G> help, im tryin to open adept and its saying database is locked and  i dont have anything opened i even reboot my pc...
[07:57] <Yorokobi> !fix adept | Silent_G
[07:57] <ubotu> Silent_G: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[07:57] <Silent_G> thankz :)
[07:57] <Topsun> CS5: do you really use the big desktop feature of the ati driver?
[07:58] <ttan> someone can help me with asus wl-138g v2??
[07:58] <CS5> topsun, Well, if I could get the dual support without it I wouldnt but I really do need two monitors, yes. If I can get the 3d working by removing one though I would.
[07:59] <Topsun> CS5: afaik the drivers do not support 3d acceleration with two monitors or at least not on both of them
[08:00] <sjck> Topsun that gtkradiand-guy? :o
[08:00] <Topsun> sjck: yes :)
[08:00] <CS5> Topsun, so if I go back to one monitor I can enable the 3d with my current driver config?
[08:00] <sjck> hey, remember me? ;)
[08:00] <Topsun> sjck: of course missed you at ld channel ;)
[08:01] <sjck> what was the name again?
[08:01] <[Apollo] > Level15: TY
[08:01] <sjck> #leveldesigner?
[08:01] <Topsun> with dash
[08:02] <Topsun> CS5: i think so
[08:02] <CS5> topsun, I'll give it a whirl
[08:02] <CS5> topsun, ty
[08:02] <Topsun> CS5: ok
[08:03] <CS5> I hate ATI
[08:04] <Topsun> CS5: it's a little bit tricky and they could make better drivers :)
[08:05] <CS5> Topsun, I know, I really like the card, but they dont support linux as well as they could.
[08:06] <Topsun> CS5: yeah, that's right
[08:08] <sparrw> Is there any text editor that will open new documents in an existing copy of the program if one exists *on the current desktop*, otherwise start a new instance?
[08:10] <CS5> sparrw, gedit will
[08:10] <CS5> sparrw, just click open and it will open in a new tab
[08:10] <Yorokobi> as will kate and vim
[08:10] <sparrw> Yorokobi: kate will not.
[08:10] <sparrw> please note the **'d requirement
[08:11] <radioaktivstorm> hello, how do i install a theme? compiling doesnt seem to work. do i have unsatisfied dependencies or something?
[08:11] <Yorokobi> sparrw, it works that way for me
[08:11] <sparrw> what version of kate?
[08:11] <CS5> sparrw me too
[08:11] <Yorokobi> 2.5.7
[08:12] <sparrw> im using 2.5.6
[08:12] <sparrw> maybe i should upgrade
[08:12] <sparrw> ive wanted that feature for a long time
[08:12] <DjDarkman> hello, why is gwenview the default image viewer for kubuntu?
[08:13] <vzduch> DjDarkman: why not? :)
[08:13] <DjDarkman> vzduch: try to load a 30MB picture and you`ll se why not
[08:13] <vzduch> been there, done that.. other image viewers will hardly be faster
[08:14] <sparrw> what are the options involved in getting it to behave like that, instead of always opening a new instance or always using the existing instance?
[08:14] <vzduch> except they make compromises w/ rendering
[08:14] <DjDarkman> kview can load an image like that in seconds
[08:15] <rjb> DjDarkman: so install and use kview, no one will prevent you
[08:15] <sparrw> why is g-anything a default over k-anything in kubuntu?  :)
[08:16] <DjDarkman> yeah :D
[08:16] <mips> I'm trying to run ./buildset to get new icons but I keep on getting "Convert not found in path" ?
[08:16] <sparrw> DjDarkman: i think there are other channels for discussing the default-ness of packages like that.  ubuntu-motu or similar
[08:16] <mips> Any ideas
[08:16] <angasule> !dictionary
[08:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dictionary - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:16] <angasule> hmm, any decent english-italian or spanish-italian dictionary?
[08:17] <sparrw> angasule: google language tools isnt horrible
[08:18] <angasule> sparrw: that appears to be a translator, I'm looking for a dictionary, an offline dictionary
[08:18] <sparrw> your local bookstore or library surely has something
[08:19] <angasule> sparrw: they don't sell software
[08:19] <grul> try aptitude search dict
[08:19] <angasule> don't know about you, but I don't flip pages as fast as I can type ;)
[08:19] <grul> p   dict                            - Dictionary Client
[08:19] <radioaktivstorm> hello, how do i install a theme? compiling doesnt seem to work. do i have unsatisfied dependencies or something?
[08:20] <sparrw> angasule: an offline translation dictionary, in software?  thats pretty niche.
[08:20] <angasule> sparrw: uh? niche? are you from the USA or what?
[08:22] <sparrw> angasule: when are you at your computer but not online?  even in america, with the worst internet penetration in the first world, that seems rare
[08:22] <angasule> sparrw: I'm not in the first world
[08:25] <angasule> sparrw: in any case, the problem is not access, but latency, online dictionaries are slow
[08:26] <Level15> i'm  back
[08:27] <jhutchins_lt> angasule: babelfish
[08:28] <jhutchins_lt> angasule: babelfish
[08:29] <angasule> jhutchins_lt: is that not an online translator?
[08:29] <jhutchins_lt> angasule: Yes, it is, and I see you want off-line.
[08:29] <jhutchins_lt> angasule: Most of those are going to be commercial/windows.
[08:29] <angasule> and a dictionary
[08:29] <angasule> translator != dictionary
[08:29] <jhutchins_lt> angasule: Linux is very much an on-line phenomenon.
[08:30] <doug_> wow question?  why don't ubuntu people like rpm?  it's unsafe and dangerous whatever, i understand, but I want to install novell groupwise and everywhere i look it keeps telling me to download more packages, but it never works
[08:30] <grul> aptitude install dict
[08:30] <jussi01> doug_: ubuntu uses .debs a different package system
[08:30] <jussi01> !rpm
[08:30] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[08:31] <doug_> jussi01:  been there, tapped the !rpm before thank you
[08:31] <jhutchins_lt> doug_: It's just two different ways of doing things.  Some things apt/deb is better than rpm, some things rpm is better.
[08:31] <jussi01> doug_: and? its true, go grab alie, convert the deb, and hey presto...
[08:31] <jhutchins_lt> doug_: In your case (as in most) the trick is to get the right repositories for the packages you want.
[08:31] <doug_> well i have an rpm file, how do i install it so i can use groupwise software?  they only have rpms
[08:32] <jhutchins_lt> !find groupwise
[08:32] <angasule> grul: where is the italian-english or italian-spanish dictionary for that, though?
[08:32] <ubotu> Found: libegroupwise1.2-13, libegroupwise1.2-dev
[08:32] <doug_> jussio1: what's alie?
[08:32] <jussi01> alien, sorry
[08:32] <jussi01> !info alien
[08:32] <ubotu> alien: install non-native packages with dpkg. In component main, is optional. Version 8.65 (feisty), package size 101 kB, installed size 276 kB
[08:32] <rrbiz> someone know how i can get the kde1 window decoration which isn't on kubuntu for some reason ?
[08:32] <jhutchins_lt> I would not try to do groupwise with alien.
[08:32] <grul> angasule, dict-freedict-ita-eng
[08:32] <grul> angasule, dict-freedict-eng-ita
[08:32] <jhutchins_lt> doug_: I would look for info on installing it on debian first.
[08:32] <angasule> grul: will those be loaded by dictd automatically?
[08:33] <grul> angasule, oh, italian-spanish
[08:33] <jhutchins_lt> Novell would much preferr that you bought SuSE instead.
[08:33] <grul> angasule, i don't know, i've never used it
[08:33] <angasule> grul: same deal, I'm fluent in english and spanish
[08:33] <doug_> jhutchins_lt:  so ubuntu is debian kind of?
[08:33] <aphonis> it is based on debian
[08:33] <jhutchins_lt> Yeah.
[08:34] <doug_> thank you guys so much, lol.  came right up
[08:34] <angasule> grul: so you are recommending me to install two separate packages but you have no idea if they work together? thanks but I'd rather not pollute my computer with the zillion half-assed dictionaries around until I find the right one...
[08:34] <grul> angasule, yes
[08:34] <doug_> how do i remove all those packages i didn't need though? lol
[08:36] <doug_> apt-get install GnuC++3.3?
[08:36] <ddark> are you guys morons?
[08:37] <ddark> who is giving angasule problems?
[08:37] <angasule> ddark: yes, they are, and don't bother :)
[08:37] <ddark> sigh
[08:37] <ddark> I'm bored
[08:38] <Graham> How can I encode ogg?
[08:38] <angasule> hehe
[08:39] <radioaktivstorm> rrbiz, try right clicking on a window border somewhere at the top and selecting window behaviour....should open right up
[08:40] <radioaktivstorm> or use kcontrol. its in there somewhere
[08:41] <radioaktivstorm> so can anyone tell me why *everything* i try to compile fails?
[08:41] <radioaktivstorm> i must be missing some packages or something
[08:41] <rrbiz> radioaktivstorm: right, but i'm missing kde1 and CDE window decorations
[08:42] <radioaktivstorm> rrbiz, hmmm have you tried looking on http://kde-look.org
[08:42] <angasule> rrbiz: out of curiosity, why do you want those? masochism? retro? :)
[08:42] <doug_> it's not working
[08:42] <radioaktivstorm> you might be able to find them there i suppose
[08:42] <rjb> radioaktivstorm: how about telling us a specific error message
[08:42] <jhutchins_lt> Graham: oggenc?
[08:43] <rjb> otherwise it's pretty hopeless
[08:43] <radioaktivstorm> rjb, alright lemme find something for you. one sec.
[08:43] <angasule> rrbiz: odd, I'm on feisty, and I see CDE and KDE1 both available
[08:44] <rrbiz> this is 7.04 doesn't come on here by default, i just like those box'y looking decorators, yeah looked on kde-look.org, i think there's a kde package suffix arts or so
[08:44] <doug_> anyone know novell?
[08:46] <Lynoure> doug_: if you mean a person with nickname novell, no. If you mean the company, yes.
[08:46] <jussi01> doug_: you still need help with groupwise? http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Groupwise
[08:46] <doug_> thanks jussi01
[08:47] <jussi01> doug_: as I said earlier, use alien. ;)
[08:48] <doug_> jussi01: it never said install complete, but i tried using alien and the process froze (no output) so i did CTRL+C and it stopped, but now there are desktop shortcuts and everything.  i hope it isn't corrupt
[08:48] <jussi01> doug_: alien can take a while
[08:50] <doug_> jussi01:  well i'm going to uninstall everything, and reinstall to be safe.  should i wait until i get a new prompt before hitting CTRL+C next time?
[08:50] <jussi01> doug_: yes, t can take several minutes...
[08:50] <doug_> jussi01: thanks!
[08:51] <joe4288> hi guys
[08:51] <joe4288> im having a little trouble
[08:51] <jussi01> joe4288: whats up?
[08:51] <joe4288> i dont know whats causeing it but ill be doing something (in kde) and all of a sudden i will just log out
[08:52] <joe4288> the mouse cursor will dissapear
[08:52] <radioaktivstorm> rjb... well that was nice to know....i ran the pidgin congfigure to see what would happen...evidently i dont have GLib which i assume would be the problem....
[08:52] <Hail_Spacecake> has anyone here used zsnes on kubuntu?
[08:52] <joe4288> and ill have to go to a console screen some times (with F1 or one of the other FX keys) ill have to bring up a console and restart startx
[08:53] <jussi01> ouch
[08:53] <joe4288> yup
[08:53] <joe4288> no fun :(
[08:53] <jussi01> joe4288: I have no idea what could cause that
[08:53] <joe4288> me neither
[08:54] <joe4288> at first i thought it was a java problem because it would always come up when i was on ebay
[08:54] <joe4288> but earlyier i was looking on the unbuntu wiki about putting berly on and it happened
[08:55] <joe4288> well lets start with the cursor because with i log off for a diffrenet user or kde does it froceably i loose my cursor
[08:56] <joe4288> the mouse still works but the cursor cant been seen
[08:56] <joe4288> any ideas?
[08:56] <doug_> jussi01: would it be a good idea to keep gawk, liboop4, lsh-client, lsh-utils, and textutils?
[08:56] <radioaktivstorm> what exactly do i need to properly compile an application that i would need to install on a newly ubuntufied box?
[08:56] <jussi01> doug_: leave then on there
[08:57] <doug_> jussi01: thanks
[08:57] <jussi01> radioaktivstorm: the deps as well as build-essential
[08:57] <Graham> Could anybody tell me why soundkonverter won't work encode ogg vorbis correctly?
[08:57] <radioaktivstorm> thanks jussi01 :)
[08:58] <jussi01> radioaktivstorm: there mabe other stuff like autotools, but I would need to see the package to tell you...
[08:58] <thomas> don't know what i'll do here
[08:58] <joe4288> wheres the file for gub that decides what to boot
[08:58] <jussi01> !grub
[08:58] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[08:59] <doug_> can i view a package install history for apt?
[08:59] <joe4288> because i need to make this computer boot windows default
[08:59] <jussi01> doug_: yes, in adept, but i forget where
[08:59] <thrilla> hey
[08:59] <doug_> jussi01: ok
[08:59] <thrilla> is there a way to verify my dvd burned correctly?
[08:59] <M_A_K> Anybody know of a small handheld device that has ethernet and can telnet to a server?
[08:59] <jussi01> !md5sum
[08:59] <ubotu> To verify the integrity of a download, use the md5sum - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM for more
[08:59] <radioaktivstorm> jussi01: ah, well i have to get back to work now...but i will try playing around with the ones you suggested
[09:00] <M_A_K> I wah hoping that my phone might be able to Treo 700p, but no.
[09:00] <jussi01> radioaktivstorm: ok, good luck. what are you compiling btw?
[09:01] <radioaktivstorm> jussi01, i wanted to compile a new theme for kde and pidgin
[09:01] <jussi01> radioaktivstorm: ok. it will spout errors if your missing something
[09:01] <rjb> radioaktivstorm: you generally need packages of the libraries being used with the suffix -dev
[09:02] <thrilla> ok
[09:02] <rjb> as in: libglib2.0-dev
[09:02] <thrilla> well
[09:02] <thrilla> one small problem
[09:02] <thrilla> i had to reformat my hdd
[09:02] <jriachi> radioaktivstorm: does it gives you errors on ./configure or on make?
[09:03] <OuZo> how do i close open ports? thanks
[09:03] <radioaktivstorm> jriachi yup, threw glib missing on configure of pidgin
[09:03] <thrilla> so can i check the disc without redownloading?
[09:03] <radioaktivstorm> so i assumed i needed to find that...
[09:04] <joe4288> what do i have to add to the windows info in grub menu.lst to make it defualt?
[09:05] <radioaktivstorm> alright, well thanks rjb, jussi01, jriachi! ill try compiling later tonight. ciao!
[09:06] <thrilla> so no way to check for errors after burning the disc?
[09:06] <astan> hey. when i upgraded edgy to feisty, the frequency indicators for my CPU cores in kpowermanager started to show 0 Mhz instead of 2000 Mhz.. this happened to anyone else?
[09:06] <thrilla> the check disk for errors on the live cd doesn't work BTW
[09:07] <joe4288> well any 1? (what do i have to add to the windows info in the grub menu.lst to make it defualt)
[09:08] <M_A_K> Anybody know of a handheld with builtin ethernet?
[09:09] <compilerwriter> Is there a way for two seperate terminals to access the same win session?
[09:10] <compilerwriter> M_A_K not built in ethernet but wi-fi yes.
[09:11] <M_A_K> I need something that has the ability to use hardwire and telnet to an accespoint.
[09:11] <M_A_K> Many have wifi.
[09:11] <M_A_K> some do not.
[09:12] <compilerwriter> You might be able to get a usb to ethernet adapter type thing to work with it, but I know of 0, nada, zip, zilch, bubkis handhelds that have a builtin cable hookup for ethernet.
[09:12] <Eyeless> is it hard to run 32 bit apps in kubuntu if you run everything else in 64bit?
[09:13] <wsjunior> Eyeless: depends on you
[09:14] <wsjunior> i would say its not trivial
[09:14] <thrilla> hey
[09:14] <thrilla> back
[09:14] <Eyeless> well, im quite goot at poking at my sytem and what not
[09:14] <Eyeless> i used to run gentoo for about 2 years
[09:14] <thrilla> BTW
[09:14] <wsjunior> its quite easy to do that in gentoo
[09:14] <Eyeless> but i have only one year of kubuntu behind me
[09:15] <thrilla> would you guys recommend the dvd or cd version of kubuntu?
[09:15] <wsjunior> thrilla: cd
[09:15] <thrilla> the dam cd better install this time wsjunior
[09:15] <elite_101> wow that was weird it didnt let me use my nick name elite101? now its underscore?
[09:16] <thrilla> before it was giving some kind of irq error
[09:16] <thrilla> and wouldn't find my hdd
[09:17] <wsjunior> Eyeless: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/534
[09:17] <wsjunior> Eyeless: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[09:17] <wsjunior> Eyeless: take a look at those links
[09:17] <Eyeless> well, i might just wait then, but what other than flash and some codecs need 32 bit atm?
[09:17] <Eyeless> wsjunior: thanks
[09:18] <wsjunior> Don't hope forever to have flash and java plugins for amd64, try to install a 32bit system
[09:18] <thrilla> and
[09:19] <thrilla> my processor is an intel pentium D, 32 bit or 64 bit versions?
[09:19] <NightBird> thrilla: have you googled it?
[09:19] <wsjunior> my choice would be 32 bit
[09:19] <DaSkreech> Can I use konqueror to pull all the sub pages of a folder on a website ?
[09:20] <persen> hi, i've just installed my new lcd tv (full hd, 1920x1080), it works out of the box but it is running at the settings i had my monitor i think. How can i make it run in 1920x1080 @ 100hz?
[09:20] <wsjunior> DaSkreech: use wget to do it
[09:20] <NightBird> 32 bit is the most used... 64 bit is sometimes finiky
[09:20] <DaSkreech> Yeah I was just thinking of that but thought there might be a GUI way
[09:22] <persen> !fullhd
[09:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fullhd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:22] <thrilla> so i need to run cpuid?
[09:22] <DaSkreech> wsjunior: Hmm any tips on parameters to run?
[09:23] <DaSkreech> It just pulled the default page
[09:24] <thrilla> well
[09:24] <thrilla> it says
[09:25] <Graham> Does anybody know how to set mime types?
[09:25] <thrilla> intel pentium D 2800 mhz
[09:25] <niko_1983> ubuntu italian channel?
[09:25] <DaSkreech> !it
[09:25] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:25] <compilerwriter> !it
[09:25] <niko_1983> tnx
[09:26] <niko_1983> !it
[09:26] <niko_1983> ah
[09:26] <DaSkreech> :-)
[09:26] <thrilla> still not sure
[09:26] <thrilla> lol
[09:26] <compilerwriter> !beryl
[09:26] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:26] <wsjunior> DaSkreech: try -r and -A options
[09:27] <persen> What is the "new" xfree86 project called?
[09:27] <persen> i remember they forked the codebaes
[09:27] <jhutchins_lt> xorg.
[09:27] <Graham> !mimetypes
[09:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mimetypes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:27] <Graham> !mime
[09:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mime - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:27] <persen> !xorg
[09:27] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:28] <luca__> hi everyone
[09:28] <luca__> does anyone here have any opinions about gutsy vs. feisty? :)
[09:28] <thrilla> anyone know if my processor is 32 or 64 bit?
[09:28] <NightBird> thrilla: google it
[09:28] <jhutchins_lt> luca__: How so?
[09:28] <thrilla> i did
[09:29] <jhutchins_lt> luca__: Feisty is released, Gutsy is in testing.
[09:29] <thrilla> still don't have a clear answer
[09:29] <jhutchins_lt> thrilla: cat /proc/cpuinfo or load cpuid.
[09:29] <NightBird> thrilla: because some versions supported 64 bit while others didn't?
[09:29] <thrilla> exactly
[09:29] <luca__> eh I know but some things in Feisty are not that stable :P
[09:30] <luca__> such as suspension and knetworkmanager
[09:30] <thrilla> and cpu-z didn't tell me either
[09:30] <Raystlin_FM> thrilla: which processor number is it?
[09:30] <jhutchins_lt> luca__: *buntu is still *buntu, just different versions.
[09:30] <gdholding> hi leute
[09:30] <jhutchins_lt> luca__: gutsy is not relesed yet, it is unstable and in testing.
[09:30] <thrilla> intel pentium D 820
[09:30] <gdholding> ich htte da eine frage
[09:30] <jhutchins_lt> luca__: If you want to know about specific chages, read the changelog and ask in #ubuntu+1
[09:31] <jhutchins_lt> gdholding: Wir sprechen kein Deutsch.
[09:31] <jhutchins_lt> !de
[09:31] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:31] <gdholding> ich hap den lampp laufen und wollte eine dateifragabe machen
[09:32] <luca__> thanks jhutchins_lt
[09:32] <thrilla> for instructions it lists, mmx, sse, sse2, sse3 and wn64t
[09:32] <Raystlin_FM> thrilla: it appears to be 64-bit... here's the brief from Intel's site... http://www.intel.com/products/processor/pentium_d/prodbrief800.pdf
[09:32] <thrilla> em64t
[09:32] <DaSkreech> thrilla: what CPU?
[09:33] <thrilla> intel pentium D 820
[09:34] <DaSkreech> Yeah  It's 64 bit
[09:34] <thrilla> so i should grab the 64 bit version of kubuntu?
[09:35] <jhutchins_lt> thrilla: if you don't even know whether your CPU is 64b or not, you will want to stick with the 32b install and not try to figure out how to make things work for the 64b version.
[09:35] <thrilla> cause my windows xp pro i am running now is 32 bit
[09:35] <thrilla> lol
[09:36] <thrilla> ok, so the 32 bit cd is the safe bet
[09:37] <thrilla> now if i can just make the dam thing install
[09:37] <thrilla> previous burns i think were bad
[09:39] <NightBird> thrilla: 32 bit should work fine.  you can run a cd check to make sure it's a valid burn as well...
[09:39] <thrilla> they wouldn't even load that part NB
[09:39] <jhutchins_lt> If you get into applications where you really need 64bit, you'll probably have a better idea what you need.
[09:39] <thrilla> kept complaining about some irq 177 error
[09:39] <thrilla> and wouldn't go past that part in the install
[09:41] <thrilla> so i had to reformat the drive
[09:41] <thrilla> i split it into two 50 GB partitions
[09:42] <persen> from my /var/log/Xorg.0.log, "Ranges: V min: 49  V max: 61 Hz, H min: 15  H max: 68 kHz, PixClock max 230 MHz" What does PixClock mean? Should i take it into consideration when writing the xorg conf file?
[09:43] <jhutchins_lt> persen: pixel clock.
[09:43] <jhutchins_lt> persen: You should probably study the xorg docs extensively first.
[09:44] <persen> Why? i just need to get xorg to display at 1920x1080 @ 100 hz
[09:44] <persen> Do i have to read a full docbook first to manage that ?
[09:44] <persen> I have changed resolutions that way earlier
[09:45] <thrilla> trying to use a lcd tv as your monitor?
[09:45] <persen> yes
[09:46] <jhutchins_lt> You know most LCD's have fixed resolutions, right?
[09:46] <persen> yep
[09:46] <thrilla> and its usually 60 hz, not 100
[09:47] <persen> my tv can display 100hz
[09:48] <killermike> persen: I've had good luck with this modeline generator - http://www.bohne-lang.de/spec/linux/modeline/
[09:49] <thrilla> 3 mins left on download
[09:49] <thrilla> and this time i am going to check it with md5
[09:49] <replman> Hi!
[09:49] <thrilla> after all, i only got a 100 pack of cd-r ya know
[09:50] <miles> !find java
[09:50] <ubotu> Found: gcj, gcj-4.1, gij, gij-4.1, java-common (and 272 others)
[09:51] <replman> I'm wondering why all processes in linux grow and grow and grow (memory). Firefox uses 510mb, eclipse 1,4gb, adept_manager 371mb, kopete 450mb?, konqueror 250mb
[09:51] <replman> currently 2,5gb of the memory are allocated
[09:52] <jussi01> !java | miles:
[09:52] <ubotu> miles:: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[09:52] <persen> killermike, Can i screw up my TV if i set wrong parameters ?
[09:53] <killermike> persen: Pass. Maybe you can look up the model number to see what other people have done.
[09:53] <replman> What is the difference between virtual, reserved and shared memory?
[09:54] <miles> could someone point me into the right direction of java's home if you use the ubuntu repositories to get sun-java6-jdk?
[09:55] <jussi01> miles: what are you trying to do?
[09:55] <miles> run jboss
[09:55] <miles> i cant find where the bin directory is...or the jdk directory for that matter
[09:55] <miles> i thought packages got DL'ed to /var/lib
[09:56] <jussi01> miles: might be in usr, cant remember
[09:56] <jussi01> mile you sure you need jdk? not sun-java6-jre?
[09:56] <replman> miles: try "which java"
[09:57] <replman> miles: here it is "/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.00"
[09:57] <miles> ah yes, thanks a lot guys
[09:58] <thrilla> ok
[09:58] <thrilla> the md5 hash check was ok
[09:58] <thrilla> now burning image at 4x
[09:59] <thrilla> this time the cd shouldn't be the issue
[09:59] <jussi01> thrilla: also, i think there is a disk check when you start it up....
[09:59] <thrilla> how long does that take?
[10:00] <jussi01> hmmm, no idea...
[10:00] <jussi01> never done it, but i know its there
[10:00] <thrilla> so long as it passes the md5 check and i burn it slowly, it should work ok
[10:00] <jussi01> thrilla: true
[10:00] <thrilla> it dam well better
[10:00] <thrilla> i've been trying to install this since 10 am
[10:00] <thrilla> lol
[10:01] <brad_> I'm trying to install enemy territory and it says I Dont have the permission the permission to write to the folder
[10:01] <brad_> how can I run that as sudo since as it stands I am just clicking on the icon
[10:01] <brad_> also, to make that run with 64 bit do I have to do a force run 32 bit?
[10:02] <thrilla> easy answer
[10:02] <brad_> open with Kate and write sudo in front of it?
[10:02] <thrilla> install it to a folder you do have permission for
[10:02] <brad_> I did do that, still wont write to the .bin folder I created (wants it for links or something
[10:03] <malik__> i have just installed kubuntu , it has already installed nvidia as my display card, do i still need to install nvidia drivers for having compiz to work on my machine
[10:03] <thrilla> check the folder permissions
[10:03] <thrilla> i bet its set to read only
[10:04] <malik__> ??
[10:05] <thrilla> malik, no idea
[10:06] <brad_> noo the permissions are fine
[10:06] <jussi01> malik__: ask in #ubuntu-effects
[10:06] <persen> what is the best app for creating a "media center" pc?
[10:07] <jussi01> !mythtv
[10:07] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[10:07] <Yorokobi> malik__, 'grep nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf' << will give you 'Driver "nv"' for 2D or 'Driver "nvidia"' for 3D/GL driver.
[10:07] <jussi01> persen: also have a look at mythbuntu
[10:08] <servidor> how was the other way to create a etherboot disk without using cat?
[10:09] <persen> ok, just want to playback divx/dvds/mp3s, have no tv tuner yet. But thanks for the info.
[10:09] <malik__> i just get driver=nv as a result
[10:09] <thrilla> so you need to install the driver?
[10:12] <malik__> how do i install the driver ?? where to start please help me
[10:13] <underdog5004> malik__, what's the problem?
[10:14] <malik__> i want to install nVidia Geoforce 5600 drivers on my newly installed kubuntu 7.04
[10:14] <aldcor> aldcor
[10:14] <underdog5004> !envy | malik__
[10:14] <ubotu> malik__: envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[10:14] <persen> Modeline "1920x1080"  148.50  1920 2008 2052 2200  1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync
[10:14] <underdog5004> ha ha, whoops
[10:15] <persen> I fount that line in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log, can i somehow use that information to fix this resolution?
[10:15] <underdog5004> malik__, go to nvidia.com, d/l the driver, then run the installer and install it
[10:15] <malik__> ok i try it
[10:15] <Yorokobi> malik__, or even better, get nvidia-glx-new from adept/synaptic/aptitude and make your life that much easier
[10:15] <aldcor> aldcor
[10:15] <persen> !Modeline
[10:15] <ubotu> A Modeline is a config line in the X server configuration file that gives info about a connected display and how to drive it at a specified display resolution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFree86_Modeline for more details. Here are 2 links to generate modelines which fit your monitor: http://bohne-lang.de/spec/linux/modeline/ and http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
[10:18] <persen> Hm, can i make a Modeline my "setting" in xorg.conf? I see only
[10:18] <persen> 	SubSection "Display"
[10:18] <persen> 		Depth		24
[10:18] <persen> 		Modes		"1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[10:18] <persen> 	EndSubSection
[10:18] <persen> That kinf of information
[10:20] <miles> hey guys, im running xubuntu right now, dont kick me
[10:20] <jhutchins> persen: try xvidtune.
[10:21] <NickPresta> miles, we will try to restrain ourselves ;)
[10:21] <miles> haha
[10:21] <NickPresta> what seems to be the problem?
[10:21] <miles> i like kubuntu better, but my work laptop handles xubuntu
[10:23] <HayaBusa> i tried to install driver for NVIDIA GEFORCE 7300GS  card twise , and both times my system didn't boot to linux desktop , dose anyone knows how to install this driver .. ?
[10:24] <thrilla> ok
[10:24] <thrilla> the installer failed
[10:24] <thrilla> error message was failed to set transfer mode
[10:25] <thrilla> what now?
[10:25] <jhutchins> !nvidia | HayaBusa
[10:25] <ubotu> HayaBusa: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:25] <matqo> hlp. i want to install kubuntu 7.04 but i dont want to format hdd and when i check manual that is no my partitoons here but only one /dev/sda :/
[10:25] <TheGateKeeper> miles, if you want kde with speed but without a lot of the bloat then install openbox + kicker, it's a brilliant combination
[10:26] <miles> ill have to check that out
[10:26] <miles> !openbox | miles
[10:26] <jhutchins> matqo: Use the alternate install CD, it will allow you to do that.
[10:26] <meta_> hi all
[10:26] <TheGateKeeper> miles, http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Main_Page
[10:26] <thrilla> what about my case?
[10:26] <matqo> yhx
[10:26] <matqo> thx
[10:27] <meta_> i want to know, why i need anacron, cron, and the 3 other job scheduler that feisty installs default
[10:27] <meta_> is thats or one of that do something important in the system's life
[10:27] <meta_> or it's just holds space?
[10:28] <matqo> why shipit dont send alternate cd ? :D
[10:28] <HayaBusa> those info are for ubuntu and not kubuntu.. there is no administration in system menu..
[10:28] <jhutchins> matqo: How much do you really expect for free?
[10:29] <miles> whoa...i totally just had a revelation
[10:29] <miles> have any of you guys seen the book cover for lpi linux certification in a nutshell?
[10:29] <miles> by o'reilley
[10:29] <jhutchins> miles: URL?
[10:29] <thrilla> i'd love a answer
[10:29] <miles> huh?
[10:29] <matqo> not much :D buy with 7.04 i had everytime some problem with installation
[10:30] <matqo> *but
[10:30] <thrilla> problem installing
[10:30] <miles> the o'reilly books always have animals or something crazy on them, and the linux certification in a nutshell has an ox or a mule or whatever on it, and i just realized its supposed to be the mascot for gnu
[10:31] <thrilla> i get a message saying ata4.0 error setting transfer method or something like that
[10:31] <jhutchins> thrilla: What is your hard drive layout?  Are you using the standard or alternate CD?
[10:32] <jhutchins> miles: The gnu mascot is a gnu.
[10:32] <thrilla> standard cd
[10:32] <Mr_Sonoma> has anyone looked at gusty yet? thoughts on it?
[10:32] <thrilla> and two partitions
[10:32] <tampafl> hi all.  lilo help please??
[10:32] <jhutchins> thrilla: sata or ata?
[10:32] <thrilla> ata
[10:32] <jhutchins> Good bandwidth?
[10:33] <thrilla> i dunno
[10:33] <thrilla> would you say a dl rate of 14108 kbps is good?
[10:33] <jhutchins> I'd say download the alt CD.  Have you verified the CD you have against the original iso md5sum?
[10:33] <thrilla> ya i did
[10:34] <thrilla> it passed the md5 check
[10:34] <civixier> hiya all... i wonder if there is somewhere you can download a kind of a "stripped" kubuntu, without all of the software that comes along?
[10:35] <thrilla> so try the alt cd?
[10:39] <Karti> Hi all, just a quick one. I am practicing my installs of a new hard drive, I have been using 13 things to get going on Feisty, my problem is the DVD playback , does not work now on that web page. Could some one give a link or some advice as to what I require? Cheers
[10:39] <aldcor> aldcor
[10:39] <miles> why did they make sid so unstable
[10:39] <grul> !dvd
[10:39] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[10:39] <miles> !find pgadmin
[10:39] <ubotu> Found: pgadmin3, pgadmin3-data, phppgadmin
[10:41] <joe4288> hey i have a question
[10:41] <Karti> grul: Many thanks
[10:41] <grul> :)
[10:41] <joe4288> if i set up xorg with nvidia drive i get a nvidia kernel modul not loaded
[10:42] <joe4288> but if i use nv it works just fine
[10:42] <joe4288> why do i get that error?
[10:42] <joe4288> and whats the diffrence between nv and nvidia?
[10:42] <joshjosh> 4 letters
[10:43] <joe4288> so there the same drive
[10:43] <joe4288> just as new as each other?
[10:43] <aldcor> aldcor
[10:43] <Neil3> no
[10:43] <Neil3> the nvidia driver is from nvidia, closed source, full 3d acceleration
[10:43] <joe4288> because i wanted to install beryl so i wanted to put in the newest drive
[10:43] <aldcor> aldcor
[10:44] <Neil3> the nv driver is an open source implimentation that doesnt have 3d acceleration or other advanced features
[10:44] <Neil3> !nvidia
[10:44] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:44] <joe4288> so then how come when i chose the nvidia drive i get the error message nvida kernel modual not found
[10:44] <thrilla> cause you didn't install it correctly
[10:44] <joe4288> hmmmm i see :)
[10:45] <Neil3> did you install the nvidia-glx package?
[10:45] <joe4288> OOOOP :P
[10:46] <thrilla> and if this cd don't work i say fuck it
[10:47] <joe4288> what cd?
[10:47] <thrilla> the alt install cd
[10:47] <thrilla> the standard install cd gave an error
[10:47] <joe4288> ooo i see
[10:47] <joe4288> well just stick an image some where and use that
[10:47] <joe4288> i had the same problem
[10:47] <joe4288> just load up the cd to get started
[10:48] <joe4288> (in expert mode)
[10:48] <thrilla> i tried that
[10:48] <thrilla> it didn't work
[10:48] <joe4288> and the image didnt work?
[10:48] <thrilla> i was trying to boot the live cd
[10:48] <persen> What is the equivalent in KDE of " System -> Administration -> Restricted Devices Manager" ?
[10:48] <joe4288> oww i didnt install with the live cd
[10:48] <thrilla> and got an error ata4.0
[10:48] <thrilla> unable to set transfer mode
[10:48] <joe4288> persen: yea thats what i was wondering
[10:49] <joe4288> persen: want to set up my nvidia drivers but i dont understand the instuctions
[10:49] <persen> joe4288, the guide is for ubuntu, hence it uses GNOME
[10:49] <joe4288> persen: yea i figured that out :)
[10:49] <thrilla> gnome is ok
[10:49] <thrilla> want a better link?
[10:49] <joe4288> but i like kde (whhhaa)
[10:49] <joe4288> yea that be great
[10:50] <persen> we want all the best links out there
[10:50] <joe4288> thats right damit :P
[10:50] <joe4288> lol
[10:50] <thrilla> i think this is for ubuntu tho
[10:50] <thrilla> http://monkeyblog.org/ubuntu/installing/
[10:50] <persen> wonder how easy it would be if i just connected my lcd tv to a windows machine
[10:51] <joe4288> it preaty easy
[10:51] <joe4288> ive dont it before
[10:51] <joe4288> but then you wont have linux :(
[10:51] <thrilla> the terminal install method should work with both kde and gnome
[10:53] <underdog5004> I need help adding a file to a .iso file...
[10:53] <joe4288> so preaty much all this thing is saying it apt-get install nvidia-gxl?
[10:53] <neusonce> hey guys what and how do install packages for playing encryted dvds im trying to install libdvdread3 but my terminal say no such comand exists ?
[10:53] <thrilla> pretty much
[10:53] <persen> i need to install this, 1.0-96xx nvidia driver, to support my card (geforce4200). Any guides for this?
[10:53] <thrilla> it downloads and installs the package
[10:53] <underdog5004> !libdvdcss | neusonce
[10:53] <joe4288> I DID THAT GRRRRRR
[10:53] <ubotu> neusonce: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[10:53] <thrilla> then you got more steps
[10:54] <persen> who me?
[10:54] <joe4288> well what im havin the problem with is that i keep getting the error message nvidia kernel modual not found
[10:54] <joshjosh> anyone know how to get my USB port to auto-detect?
[10:55] <joe4288> auto detect what?
[10:55] <joshjosh> Plugging things in and then booting works, but plugging anything in after boot it doesn't.
[10:55] <thrilla> you install it via terminal?
[10:55] <joshjosh> auto detect like my wireless mouse or ipod
[10:56] <joe4288> well the mouse would probly be part of the system i dont realy know
[10:56] <joe4288> the ipod just just he mount info in the fstab and have it on auto
[10:56] <joe4288> and it will mount it once you connect it
[10:56] <joshjosh> how would i do that?
[10:56] <joe4288> is it a vfat ipod?
[10:57] <joshjosh> vfat?
[10:57] <joshjosh> windows. it works in linux...
[10:57] <joe4288> was it formatted on windows
[10:57] <joshjosh> if i plug it in before i boot it works. if i plug it in after boot it doesn't mount.
[10:57] <joe4288> well like i said well make a fstab for it
[10:57] <joe4288> open up a terminal
[10:57] <joshjosh> ok
[10:57] <joshjosh> alright
[10:58] <joe4288> sudo nano /etc/fstab
[10:58] <crodriguez> alguien que hable espaol??
[10:58] <joe4288> now open up another terminal and type sudo mkdir /mnt/ipod
[10:59] <joshjosh> alright
[10:59] <crodriguez> como que no!!!
[10:59] <joe4288> now 1 question do you have any other removable drives connected when you connect you ipod?
[11:00] <joe4288> sata usb etc?
[11:00] <elite101> hey is Damn Small linux anygood?
[11:00] <joshjosh> joe4288: Nope. Just my ipod
[11:00] <joe4288> joshjosh: good
[11:00] <joshjosh> elite101: I prefer puppylinux for a distro like that
[11:00] <joe4288> joshjosh: gime a second to remeber what line you need to put in
[11:00] <joshjosh> alright. take your time.
[11:00] <joshjosh> i need to go make a sandwich anyways. brb
[11:01] <elite101> okay but why are they soo small do they bave all the regulare features?
[11:01] <elite101> have*
[11:01] <joshjosh> elite101: There's different versions of puppy with different things.
[11:01] <elite101> how small is the whole distro? i am looking at screen shots of DSL and they are 50mb!!!
[11:02] <thrilla> lol
[11:02] <joe4288> joshjosh: now paste this line at the bottom of the others http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30969/
[11:02] <thrilla> i've seen a linux distro that will fit on a 1.44 mb floppy
[11:02] <joe4288> joshjosh: try and like everything up so it looks preaty :)
[11:02] <joe4288> "line"
[11:02] <jhutchins> thrilla: DSL, puppy, tomsrtbt
[11:03] <thrilla> yup
[11:03] <joe4288> joshjosh: save exit terminal and plug it you ipod and it should mount right up
[11:03] <joshjosh> joe4288: alright
[11:03] <elite101> wholy? so when i install it, it will only be 50mb!!!
[11:03] <joe4288> joshjosh: unmount it remove it then reconnect it and it shoud mount right up agian
[11:03] <thrilla> ok i am gonna reboot and attempt to install
[11:03] <thrilla> brb
[11:04] <joe4288> ok now that i helped some 1 i want my nvidia problem fix :)
[11:04] <joe4288> lol
[11:04] <joshjosh> what's your nvidia problem?
[11:04] <joshjosh> i know all about nvidia cards heh
[11:04] <joe4288> well i installed the nice new nvidia driver
[11:04] <aldcor> aldcor
[11:04] <joe4288> configured xorg to use it
[11:04] <joe4288> and it doesnt work
[11:04] <joshjosh> pastebin your xorg.conf
[11:04] <tue> very basic apt question here. I have installed postgres, and messed up the configuration files really badly (its just a toy machine). No data need to be saved, i just want the darn thing reset. But it seems that apt-get remove postgresql-8.2 and then apt-get install postgresql-8.2 does not touch the configuration files in /etc/postgresql. How is it possible to completely reset it?
[11:04] <joe4288> i get the error nvidia kernel modual not found
[11:04] <nacho> hi, i'm new in kubuntu
[11:04] <aldcor> aldcor
[11:05] <elite101> is there any live cd that will make me boot of a memory stick or a removeable usb hardrive ? or do i have to have that option in the BIOS?
[11:05] <nacho> how install apache2??
[11:05] <persen> joe4288, sudo aptitude install restricted-manager
[11:05] <joe4288> the xorg conf i have is the 1 that works i dont have the broken 1
[11:05] <Yorokobi> tue, sudo aptitude purge postgresql-8.2
[11:05] <joe4288> persen: you found it
[11:05] <joshjosh> how did you install the driver?
[11:05] <joe4288> joshjosh: so beryl will work properly with my nvidia video
[11:05] <persen> just install that and, sudo restricted-manager
[11:06] <Yorokobi> tue, then aptitude install postgresql-8.2
[11:06] <persen> worked like a charm
[11:06] <joe4288> yay
[11:06] <persen> try a restart now and tell how it went
[11:06] <joshjosh> joe4288: what card do you have?
[11:06] <joe4288> joshjosh:  sorry i thought you ment why lol
[11:06] <elite101> hey can livecd's (if they have the option) make a usb hardrive boot?
[11:06] <elite101> or does your bios have to support it?
[11:06] <joe4288> joshjosh: in part of the board its a biostar ummm brb and ill tell you
[11:07] <tue> Yorokobi: Thanks. cant wait to kill this f.....r once and for all :-).
[11:07] <Mr_Sonoma> nacho, sudo apt-get install apache2
[11:07] <nacho> only this??
[11:07] <joshjosh> joe4288: brb i have to restart
[11:07] <joe4288> joshjosh: its a geforce 6100-m9
[11:07] <joe4288> joshjosh: ok
[11:07] <joe4288> persen: ill install it right now
[11:07] <Mr_Sonoma> it should automatically get all the dependancies for you
[11:08] <elite101> wow linux on a floppy lmao
[11:08] <elite101> i didnt know that!
[11:08] <joe4288> oww yea they have linux for everything
[11:08] <Mr_Sonoma> a floppy?? wouldn't you need a floppy drive (oh wait am i the only one that doesnt have a floppy drive anymore?)
[11:08] <joe4288> (i think people just get board)
[11:08] <Mr_Sonoma> *grin*
[11:09] <persen> you should have linux bluetooth version, whick hacks windows computers and puts in linux.
[11:09] <joe4288> never heard of that?
[11:09] <elite101> yeah rite?
[11:09] <persen> it should be possible
[11:09] <elite101> lol wouldnt be hacking
[11:10] <elite101> it would be doing them a favor
[11:10] <elite101> !!!:)
[11:10] <joe4288> anything possiable
[11:10] <elite101> lol i think hes rite i mean floppy 1.44mb!!!
[11:10] <joe4288> but now the only question is how?
[11:10] <elite101> yeah they would need bluetooth too?
[11:10] <joe4288> mayb if we install a partition manger
[11:10] <joe4288> install on there comp
[11:10] <elite101> lol
[11:10] <joshjosh> joe4288: alright, what card?
[11:11] <joe4288> joshjosh: did it work?
[11:11] <joshjosh> joe4288: nope.
[11:11] <joe4288> joshjosh: huh?
[11:11] <joe4288> joshjosh: it wont mount?
[11:11] <joshjosh> nope.
[11:11] <elite101> they should make linux for psp!!! i dont see why i mean 333mhz 32mb ram? 2gb memstick
[11:11] <joe4288> joshjosh: pastebin you fstab
[11:11] <joe4288> they did
[11:11] <joe4288> it was slow
[11:11] <joe4288> so no 1 used it
[11:12] <joe4288> that was a long time ago
[11:12] <joe4288> they havnt done anything with it in a LONG time
[11:12] <elite101> for what?
[11:12] <joe4288> linux for psp
[11:12] <elite101> ohh
[11:12] <joe4288> it sucked
[11:12] <elite101> they did win95 bochs
[11:12] <joshjosh> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30972/
[11:13] <elite101> it was crap is basically made your psp into a windows machine no wireless support and it wipes out your 32mb ram Flash0 and 1 so no psp os!!!
[11:13] <joe4288> joshjosh: did you get any error messages when you connected it?
[11:14] <elite101> wow linux has so many distros
[11:14] <joshjosh> joe4288: my ipod won't even go to the do not disconnect screen
[11:14] <elite101> im on this website The Coding Studio linux going threw all the screen shots and such
[11:14] <stexe> ciao
[11:14] <joe4288> joshjosh: why do you alread have sda1 and sda5 onther
[11:15] <elite101> lol the one that caught my eye Famelix 1.3
[11:15] <joe4288> joshjosh: are you running a duel boat system?
[11:15] <stexe> list
[11:15] <vzduch> elite101: you were throwing w/ screenshots? o0
[11:15] <joshjosh> joe4288: Nope. I have no idea why
[11:15] <elite101> showing?
[11:15] <elite101> or throwing?
[11:15] <joe4288> joshjosh: what kinda hard drive do you have?
[11:15] <joe4288> joshjosh: sata, ide?
[11:15] <joshjosh> let me check
[11:15] <vzduch> [23:14:39]  < elite101> [...]  going threw all the screen shots and such
[11:16] <elite101> yeah
[11:16] <joe4288> joshjosh: oh and when you edit the fstab you dont need to restart
[11:16] <joe4288> joshjosh: it takes imediate effect
[11:16] <joshjosh> it's a sata
[11:16] <joe4288> joshjosh: ahha
[11:16] <joe4288> joshjosh: lol
[11:16] <joe4288> joshjosh: mine is to
[11:17] <joshjosh> should i change it in fstab to sda2?
[11:17] <joe4288> joshjosh: so it asigns the drive a sdX number
[11:17] <elite101> u guys almost have the same nick
[11:17] <joe4288> joshjosh: nope
[11:17] <joe4288> joshjosh: change it to /dev/sdb1
[11:17] <joshjosh> ok. then plug it back in?
[11:17] <joe4288> same length to
[11:18] <joe4288> joshjosh: yup change it save and plug it in
[11:18] <joe4288> joshjosh: if it doesnt auto mount open up a terminal and type mount -a
[11:18] <joe4288> opps i mean sudo mount -a
[11:19] <joshjosh> hmm
[11:19] <joshjosh> joshua@joshua-laptop:~$ sudo mount -a
[11:19] <joshjosh> mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist
[11:19] <joe4288> joshjosh: and you have the ipod pluged it?
[11:20] <joshjosh> yeah.
[11:20] <joe4288> joshjosh: it its on do not disconnect screen?
[11:20] <joshjosh> still no do not disconnect screen either so it's not even charging...
[11:20] <joe4288> joshjosh: that might be the problem
[11:20] <joe4288> joshjosh: i always remeber it coming up
[11:20] <joshjosh> i mean, the batter is 100%...but it won't even charge. this is crazy.
[11:20] <joshjosh> this is a new usb cable too
[11:20] <aldcor> aldcor
[11:21] <joe4288> joshjosh: maybe its the port
[11:21] <joshjosh> nah. it works when i boot.
[11:21] <joshjosh> but plugging it in afterwards does nothing. crazy drive.
[11:21] <joe4288> joshjosh: hmmmm thats weird
[11:21] <joshjosh> with windows it will auto-detect but it never has with linux.
[11:21] <joshjosh> well, on my opensuse 10.2 install it did
[11:22] <joe4288> joshjosh: well debian based systems dont like ipods
[11:22] <elite101> 1quetstion really important before i waste 4$, My bios dose not support booting up anything usb! xD so if i get a livecd can they select it and boot off it aslong as i have the cd inther for the first startup
[11:22] <joe4288> joshjosh: i always had trouble with um
[11:22] <joe4288> elite101: huh?
[11:22] <joshjosh> hmm...how do i figure out what the device node for thsi is?
[11:22] <FroggyTheGreat> Got an epson scanner question...
[11:23] <elite101> can a livecd boot up a pendrive
[11:23] <elite101> ?
[11:23] <joe4288> yea but i dont remeber the trick
[11:23] <elite101> becuase my crappy bios does notsupport it
[11:23] <joshjosh> elite101: you can boot a ton of distros from usb drives
[11:23] <joe4288> you could just install grub on to a floppy with usb drivers on it
[11:23] <jozgi> hi
[11:23] <bobesponja> hey
[11:23] <bobesponja> in what package can I find curl-config?
[11:23] <joshjosh> joe4288: I'll check the forums.
[11:23] <FroggyTheGreat> So I've got an Epson RX580 and the correct pipslite package is installed for it, I've got SANE installed, but the SANE frontends can't find the scanner.  Any insights or places to look?
[11:24] <joe4288> joshjosh: i just dont understand why the ipod doesnt go to dont disconnect mode
[11:24] <elite101> my bios doesnt support usb boot :( so i was wondering if i get a linux livecd that if they have the option boot i can select my USB Drive :)
[11:24] <joe4288> joshjosh: i think its the port try a diffrenet 1
[11:24] <waylandbill> if the livecd has the ability to boot then the pendrive isn't needed except for storage.
[11:24] <joshjosh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_USB#Types_of_Live-USB
[11:24] <joe4288> joshjosh: because if you dont have any other drive connected then /dev/sdb1 is right
[11:25] <elite101> yeah i need the pendrive the distro is on it??!?!??!?!
[11:25] <FroggyTheGreat> ...or even an RTFM, if someone can point me to the right (helpful, English) FM to R.
[11:25] <waylandbill> just put the files you want to boot on a CD instead of a flash drive.
[11:25] <elite101> no!!
[11:25] <elite101> all wrong i wanna install DSL linux on a pendrive
[11:25] <elite101> okay
[11:25] <elite101> and then boot of the pen drive
[11:25] <joe4288> joshjosh: trust me ive mess with the fstab MORE then enough to know which letters linux assigns stuff
[11:26] <FroggyTheGreat> Again, I've got my printer/scanner working as a printer but not a scanner yet.  I've got SANE installed, but the SANE-capable programs I have don't recognize the scanner as being present.  Any thoughts?
[11:26] <joe4288> joshjosh: but you could try this
[11:26] <joe4288> joshjosh: restart the comp with the ipod connected then click the icon and look for the mount info it should say /dev/sdXX some where
[11:26] <elite101> my bios doesnt support usb boot so iwas wondering if i can just put the live cd in durring startup and select boot of my pen drive because this hdd i am on only has like 2mb free space
[11:26] <joshjosh> alright i'll try that
[11:26] <joshjosh> brb
[11:27] <waylandbill> elite101: then how is a livecd even part of the question? DSL's files can just be simply copied to the flash drive.
[11:27] <underdog5004> I need help adding a file to a .iso file...
[11:27] <joe4288> well theres a way to do that with live cds but i dont remeber
[11:27] <elite101> yes but i cant boot off the pendrive on my computer becuase it will boot of the HDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! xD!!!
[11:27] <elite101> lol
[11:27] <joe4288> like i said install grub to some form of disc with usb drivers and then use that to boot the pen drive
[11:27] <elite101> thats why i need the live cd to select it for me!!!
[11:28] <elite101> okay
[11:28] <danix> ola?
[11:28] <elite101> i mean like so i dont have anyhardrive at all only the usb drive and thats it
[11:28] <joe4288> elite101: id tell you how to do it but i have no idea how but i know other people use that kinda set up
[11:28] <danix> alguien sabe castellane?
[11:28] <FroggyTheGreat> Again, I've got my printer/scanner working as a printer but not a scanner yet.  I've got SANE installed, but the SANE-capable programs I have don't recognize the scanner as being present.  Any thoughts?
[11:28] <waylandbill> elite101: I'm sure there is a way with grub command line and the right drivers, but what's the point. The CD can easily hold DSL or a full distro
[11:28] <joe4288> elite101: yes thats what im talking about
[11:29] <elite101> i can search it up i was just asking if it's possable for the livecd to boot up a pendrive
[11:29] <elite101> drivers?
[11:29] <joe4288> yea but then you can customize it or add stuff
[11:29] <elite101> u dont need drivers
[11:29] <danix> ola
[11:29] <danix> ola
[11:29] <danix> ola
[11:29] <danix> ola
[11:29] <danix> ola
[11:29] <danix> ola
[11:29] <waylandbill> elite101: drivers as in kernel modules.
[11:29] <danix> ola
[11:29] <elite101> banned
[11:29] <danix> ola
[11:29] <danix> osa
[11:29] <danix> ola
[11:29] <joe4288> elite101: yes you can use the live cd
[11:29] <danix> ola
[11:29] <danix> ola
[11:29] <danix> ola
[11:29] <danix> ola
[11:29] <elite101> ola
[11:29] <elite101> amigo
[11:29] <joe4288> NO SPEAK SPANSH DAMIT
[11:29] <danix> olaaa:)
[11:29] <elite101> #spanish
[11:30] <danix> como estay?
[11:30] <elite101> there u go
[11:30] <elite101> Nooo
[11:30] <FroggyTheGreat> Again, I've got my printer/scanner working as a printer but not a scanner yet.  I've got SANE installed, but the SANE-capable programs I have don't recognize the scanner as being present.  Any thoughts?
[11:30] <Yorokobi> elite101, with the liveCD you'll end up using the liveCD's kernel since you can't boot from USB.
[11:30] <vzduch> not even correct..
[11:30] <elite101> yes
[11:30] <elite101> so its possiable
[11:30] <joe4288> elite101: yes ive said that
[11:30] <elite101> okay thank you
[11:30] <joe4288> elite101: but i dont know how to do it
[11:30] <Yorokobi> elite101, maybe, but you'll have to find out what /dev/sdX the USB drive will be
[11:31] <joe4288> elite101: it seem kinda hard for to figure it out
[11:31] <elite101> listen
[11:31] <elite101> okay
[11:31] <danix> ola
[11:31] <joe4288> well if its the only usb device and theres no sata it will be sda1
[11:31] <NickPresta> !es | danix
[11:31] <ubotu> danix: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:31] <Yorokobi> elite101, then set root=/dev/sdX boot=/dev/sdXY for the pen drive. Come to think of it, that'll boot the USB drive's kernel,to
[11:31] <waylandbill> elite101: are you just trying to prove it can be done, because it seems pointless. If you are going to be booting the pen on another machine, use the other machine to install in the first place.
[11:31] <joe4288> if theres other devices it will be sdb2
[11:31] <danix> yaaa hablenme
[11:31] <joe4288> i mean sdb1
[11:31] <elite101> My bios does not support usb boot. I wanna install linux on a pendrive and boot from it. I was wondering if a livecd when booted can boot from the cd
[11:32] <elite101> argggg!!!!!!!!!
[11:32] <FroggyTheGreat> OK, anyone know even what device a scanner would look like in /dev?
[11:32] <elite101> im a poor kid
[11:32] <joe4288> elite101: lol we keep goin in circles
[11:32] <elite101> i have no hardrive
[11:32] <joe4288> elite101: ok it can be done period
[11:32] <joshjosh> alright. it was sbd2 and the mount point was /mnt/JOSHUA'S ip
[11:32] <elite101> okay thanks
[11:32] <Admiral_laptop> i'm playing a dvd and I get no video, but I get audio. any idea?
[11:32] <elite101> but can i do it with the live cd
[11:32] <joe4288> joshjosh: ok so put that in the fstab
[11:32] <joe4288> joshjosh: and you good to go
[11:32] <FroggyTheGreat> ab17f5bfa5e3f24cc5f9faea3dfd7a2e
[11:32] <FroggyTheGreat> Whoops.
[11:33] <joe4288> joshjosh: and yea you right i forgot the stroage was on the second partition
[11:33] <joe4288> joshjosh: my bad :(
[11:33] <elite101> and having no harddrive wat so ever i can just boot from cd rom select usb on the live cd and take the cd out becuase it will be running on pendrive :):):)
[11:33] <joshjosh> joe4288: not your fault
[11:33] <waylandbill> elite101: that was the bit of info I was missing. The lack of a hard drive makes the liveCD useful. That's why I asked the point of the LiveCD several minutes ago. :-)
[11:33] <FroggyTheGreat> Anyone know how to get Epson all-in-one scanners to actually be recognized as scanners?
[11:33] <Yorokobi> elite101, yes, if you know what the device is going to be for the USB drive, change the root= and boot= grub parameters to the USB drive (/dev/sdX)
[11:33] <joshjosh> we'll see if it'll autodetect now.
[11:33] <FroggyTheGreat> I've got everything installed that I need...I think.
[11:33] <joe4288> joshjosh: well now you know that the mount info will be set up
[11:33] <joshjosh> WOO! It works!
[11:33] <elite101> okay thank you lots
[11:34] <joe4288> YAY!
[11:34] <elite101> lol
[11:34] <joshjosh> This has been a problem since Dapper.
[11:34] <elite101> we all got something working
[11:34] <joshjosh> i finally got it corrected. awesome.
[11:34] <FroggyTheGreat> !print
[11:34] <elite101> i love that feeling
[11:34] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[11:34] <joe4288> joshjosh: well this will be the soluction always
[11:34] <FroggyTheGreat> !scanner
[11:34] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[11:34] <elite101> !windows
[11:34] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[11:34] <waylandbill> elite101: and then when you finish you can then go buy a hard drive. ;-D
[11:34] <elite101> lol
[11:34] <elite101> i have one only 4gig
[11:34] <elite101> its one of thoes fugitsu's
[11:34] <joe4288> joshjosh: fstab will fix any drive mounting problem
[11:35] <elite101> u know the one i am talking about lmao
[11:35] <waylandbill> elite101: laptop or desktop?
[11:35] <elite101> there black
[11:35] <elite101> dektop
[11:35] <joe4288> joshjosh: and with the auto in there it will mount once plugged in
[11:35] <joshjosh> yeah.
[11:35] <elite101> my 60gig got to cloes to a magnet read it as 0mb 0 sectors
[11:35] <waylandbill> drives are dirt cheap for desktops.
[11:35] <joshjosh> grr
[11:35] <elite101> adn the funny thing was it was the fugitsus falt
[11:35] <joshjosh> amarok says it's not mounted though. damnit
[11:35] <waylandbill> elite101: that sucks
[11:35] <elite101> lol
[11:35] <elite101> i know
[11:36] <joe4288> joshjosh: which mount point did you use?
[11:36] <joshjosh> sbd2
[11:36] <elite101> it went so fast too that hrdrive it was a maxtor
[11:36] <joe4288> joshjosh: i mean did you use /mnt/josh or /mnt/ipod?
[11:36] <elite101> now my hdd i have now is soo slow make kubuntu run slow
[11:36] <waylandbill> elite101: not under warranty?
[11:36] <elite101> no 2002
[11:36] <elite101> i was a giftr
[11:36] <joshjosh> it uses /mnt/JOSHUA'S ip
[11:36] <elite101> gift*
[11:37] <joe4288> hmmm thats weird
[11:37] <joe4288> jump into the folder and make sure the files are there
[11:37] <elite101> it kinda sucks i could off just replaced the mainboard of the hdd but i threw it out
[11:37] <elite101> it had windows on it and it crashed brought it too a friends house to fix it rode back home witht he 4gig on top of the 60gig tried it and it sayed 0mb 0 sectors
[11:38] <joe4288> not the magnet
[11:38] <elite101> so the magnent of the 4gig screwed it up
[11:38] <elite101> rip 60gig lol
[11:38] <joe4288> ive had 2 maxtors just die
[11:38] <elite101> i hate that
[11:38] <joe4288> they have there mbr changed some how and it thanks theres no space
[11:38] <elite101> lol esp when ur low on parts u think everything lasts for ever even thou it can be just tomarrow when something dies or fries
[11:39] <joe4288> and its not fixable
[11:39] <elite101> i know same thiing
[11:39] <elite101> but
[11:39] <joe4288> joshjosh: you check out the folders and see if theres anything in it?
[11:39] <elite101> u can replace the board on it with another maxtor same make and model to get the files back i did that with a 15gig my friend had the same one
[11:39] <danix> wal bccn
[11:40] <joe4288> hmmmm never head that b4
[11:40] <elite101> my computer is so ghetto
[11:40] <danix> zhaaw me vooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[11:40] <joe4288> well i g2g
[11:40] <danix> xao
[11:40] <danix> mao
[11:40] <joe4288> see you guys later
[11:40] <danix> lao
[11:40] <danix> ao
[11:40] <danix> kAO
[11:40] <danix> PAO
[11:40] <danix> VAO
[11:40] <danix> MAO
[11:40] <elite101> wow that person is annyoing
[11:40] <danix> ZAO
[11:40] <waylandbill> elite101: sounds like something my daughter would say. :-D
[11:40] <Yorokobi> !ops | danix
[11:40] <danix> RAO
[11:40] <ubotu> danix: Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[11:41] <elite101> waylandbill, lol about what?
[11:41] <elite101> im only 14
[11:41] <danix> 15
[11:41] <elite101> so
[11:41] <waylandbill> calling it ghetto
[11:41] <elite101> ha beat u my other name is well mafiaboy
[11:41] <elite101> lmao
[11:41] <elite101> oh
[11:41] <elite101> yeah the power supply is on the top of the computer
[11:41] <waylandbill> she just said that about a computer the other day.. it looks so ghetto.
[11:41] <elite101> the hardrive is sticking out
[11:41] <elite101> slanted
[11:42] <elite101> lol
[11:42] <elite101> u have a daughter
[11:42] <waylandbill> yup
[11:42] <elite101> i feel so young...here anyways
[11:42] <elite101> i see u must build computers if ur daughter sayed that i imagine your home  full of makeshift pcs running
[11:43] <elite101> danix, why are u flooding this channel
[11:43] <waylandbill> elite101: no. that was one I was fixing for someone. my systems are all in one piece... fortunately.
[11:43] <mafiaboy> haha lol
[11:43] <mafiaboy> i wish
[11:44] <elite101> has anyone heard of mafiaboy the scriptkiddie that brought down cnn.com/yahho.com/dell.com and cost 1.7billion dollars in damages
[11:44] <persen> kde control center now displays that i have my resolution at 1920x1080, but i doubt it.
[11:44] <elite101> yes? no?
[11:44] <elite101> lol wow
[11:45] <waylandbill> it was because the metal plate for the mobo connectors was different from one board to another and the surplus mobo didn't come with a replacement, so I knocked it out and didn't put another in it's place.
[11:45] <persen> same problem as i had, the screen is centered and i miss stuff at the edge of the desktop (startbutton etc)
[11:45] <elite101> this channel they showed on the news #hacker u cant join it invite only
[11:45] <aldcor> aldcor
[11:46] <elite101> ##windows
[11:46] <waylandbill> elite101: if you truly belonged in that channel, you'd know how to get in there already I'd imagine. :-)
[11:46] <joshjosh> you hack to hack the chan password
[11:46] <elite101> yeah lol
[11:47] <elite101> thats why they set one only good hackers can go into there or scriptkiddies
[11:48] <kasr> hi
[11:48] <waylandbill> kasr: howdy
[11:48] <elite101> can ppl ban u for no reason if u just join there channel and dont talk?
[11:48] <elite101> lol channel surfing
[11:48] <kasr> fine & u?
[11:49] <waylandbill> kasr: I'm ok
[11:49] <elite101> #windowsxp lol
[11:49] <Yorokobi> elite101, lurking isn't a punishable offence. Spamming with a load of 'hola's is, though :)
[11:49] <elite101> lol
[11:49] <elite101> yeah really
[11:50] <waylandbill> elite101: I'm sure they don't have server banning privs like a k-line... they'd probably only ban you from the channel.
[11:50] <elite101> hola amigo si-anora
[11:50] <elite101> okay
[11:50] <elite101> but u can get back in thou
[11:50] <elite101> how do i make my own channel?
[11:50] <Yorokobi> /join #myownchannel
[11:50] <elite101> i know i can surf but i cant be the admin why not? do u have to pay?
[11:50] <waylandbill> join one that isn't in existence.
[11:50] <elite101> but i cant be the admin
[11:51] <elite101> so i wont have rite to be my channel
[11:51] <PriceChild> elite101, please move this to #ubuntu-offtopic or #defocus or something.
[11:51] <elite101> okay
[11:51] <underdog5004> elite101, just make your own irc server
[11:51] <elite101> Mhh dont know how
[11:52] <[Apollo] > lol
[11:55] <eriefisher> Hello
[11:56] <elite101> yeah i got my own channel
[11:56] <grul> !cue
[11:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cue - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:56] <elite101> #elitechannel
[11:56] <elite101> !soloaris
[11:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about soloaris - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:56] <elite101> i think i spelt it wron
[11:56] <elite101> wrong*
[11:57] <Yorokobi> solaris
[11:57] <elite101> !solaris
[11:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about solaris - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:57] <elite101> weird
[11:57] <Yorokobi> or better, GNU/OpenSolaris: http://gnusolaris.org
[11:57] <Yorokobi> anyway, off topic again
[11:58] <Ace2016> hi all
[11:58] <elite101> k sorry
[11:58] <Ace2016> how do i stop my nameservers being overwritten on startup?
[11:58] <persen> I've installed a usb sound card (edirol ua-5). Now i need to disable my other snd card (snd-emu10k1).
[11:58] <Yorokobi> Ace2016, get rid of the resolvconf package
[11:58] <elite101> wow i didnt know they made usb sound cards?
[11:59] <persen> In a guide i read this is done in /etc/modprobe.conf, but that file doesnt exist in kubuntu. Anyone know what its kubuntu (feisty) counterpart would be?
[11:59] <Ace2016> persen: disable it in bios
[11:59] <persen> elite101, they do, works great.
[11:59] <persen> Ace2016, nope
[11:59] <persen> See here, http://linux.setcolor.de/ua-5/
[11:59] <LinuxRulz> I would check the System BIOS first to see if there is an option to disable that sound card
[11:59] <persen> its suposed to be easy
[12:00] <Ace2016> persen: use locate
[12:00] <Ace2016> run locate modprobe.conf
[12:00] <Ace2016> in konsole
[12:00] <LinuxRulz> instead of mess with the config files, first check the system BIOS
[12:01] <LinuxRulz> faster and safer
[12:01] <persen> I shouldnt have to
[12:01] <elite101> okay u can boot from pendrive i have to make a bootfloppy (wake pup)
[12:01] <Ace2016> rrbiz: how is it going?
[12:02] <elite101> i installed linux on my stero before
[12:02] <elite101> and on my tv
[12:03] <rrbiz> pretty good, Ace2016, hope to get most of the stuff from XP working on Ubuntu
[12:04] <elite101> wine
[12:04] <elite101> lol red alert2 works and the map editor :)
[12:05] <rrbiz> just resized my first drive to squeeze in ubuntu, now about to load it in
[12:06] <persen> spent all evening fighting this silly thing, i guess linux is not a desktop os
[12:06] <elite101> are there ppl running windows on this channel?
[12:06] <persen> eventually, most are.
[12:07] <elite101> i mean on windows rite now talking on this channel?
[12:07] <persen> yes
[12:07] <persen> i am
[12:07] <rrbiz> what i'm typing in now has kubuntu, but i misssss big time my MS outlook and maps & streets
[12:07] <runlevelten> why would you run windows in this channel?
[12:07] <runlevelten> Oh yeah, ubuntu, silly me ;P
[12:07] <Dragnslcr> Why would anyone miss Outlook?
[12:08] <rrbiz> cause of PDA
[12:08] <persen> rrbiz, ms outlook is shit, but the ease of windows i miss in windows.
[12:08] <ubuntu> Hello everyone, I have got something funny (bad) going on. when I startup, the prossessor wont stop, so my question is how do I see what is using my space so that I can stop it. I have opened in safe mode and run the virus scan. I am using watchdog w/minimal allowenses
[12:08] <ubuntu> it seems to be attached to the kicker
[12:08] <runlevelten> Some people like it, and to be honest even though it's crappy, outlook + exchange are still an almost unrivalled combination
[12:08] <persen> I have no problem reading a guide for something i have to configure, but not spend so much time getting up and running with what i considered mandatory on a windows machine
[12:08] <rrbiz> it's not easy migrating .pst or by exporting indivudual stuff
[12:08] <runlevelten> for what they do, that is.
[12:09] <ubuntu> damn didnt realize the name
[12:09] <Dragnslcr> ubuntu- you can check KSysGuard for what process is using the CPU
[12:09] <Dragnslcr> I believe ctrl-esc opens KSysGuard. If not, it's in the KMenu
[12:09] <runlevelten> Novell are addressing it.
[12:09] <ubuntu> Dragnslcr: under utilities isnt it...
[12:10] <Dragnslcr> ubuntu- System, actually
[12:10] <ubuntu> Dragnslcr: got it. thanks
[12:10] <Dragnslcr> I've never needed Exchange
[12:10] <Dragnslcr> Then again, I've barely ever really used POP3
[12:10] <Silent_G> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[12:11] <Silent_G> can someone tell meh how to fix thi?
[12:11] <Dragnslcr> My university used FirstClass, and I've used GMail since then
[12:11] <rrbiz> gmails got free pop3, thinks its much better than webhosting email
[12:11] <Dragnslcr> Silent_G- do you have the X dev libraries?
[12:11] <Dragnslcr> I run my own mail server, but I don't really use it
[12:11] <Dragnslcr> It mostly gets just spam
[12:12] <runlevelten> I use other groupware for my projects, but you need other stuff to give clients.
[12:12] <Silent_G> Dragnslcr, xorg-dev?
[12:12] <Dragnslcr> Silent_G- maybe. Not sure what the package is called
[12:12] <runlevelten> Evolution isn't the best mail client in the world, but damn it's getting better than it was for those features
[12:12] <Silent_G> ok :p
[12:12] <Dragnslcr> I use Thunderbird at work
[12:13] <Shadow_mil> what package do I need for kaffine to play DVDs?
[12:13] <runlevelten> Kmail
[12:13] <Dragnslcr> I was using it at home too, but I figured I'd stick with KMail for what little I use it now
[12:13] <Dragnslcr> !dvd
[12:13] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs