[12:31] <DanaG> Aaargh, I had to login and magic-sysrq-kill Xorg about 7 times before gnome-panel would work.
[12:32] <jussi01> MikeRotch: you need to check the command used to launch it. it needs to be run as root
[12:35] <MikeRotch> jussi01
[12:35] <MikeRotch> i do not know how to do that check
[12:36] <jussi01> MikeRotch: as i said, go find the menu editor. find the thing for add/remove, the command is listed there
[12:37] <MikeRotch> oh sorry let me check pleae 1 second
[12:38] <MikeRotch> the command is /usr/bin/gnome-app-install
[12:38] <jussi01> try changing it to "gksudo /usr/bin/gnome-app-install"
[12:38] <jussi01> see if that works
[12:39] <jussi01> with out the "" of course
[12:42] <MikeRotch> cool yes it works
[12:42] <MikeRotch> i did get some errors in terminal
[12:42] <MikeRotch> but i can see all the op[tions now thanks
[12:44] <jussi01> great :)
[12:44] <jussi01> MikeRotch: what errors did you get?
[12:46] <MikeRotch> oh it's alot
[12:46] <MikeRotch> can i IM you?
[12:46] <MikeRotch> it's long
[12:46] <jussi01> !paste
[12:46] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:46] <MikeRotch> oh ok cool 1 sec
[12:48] <MikeRotch> jussi01 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30830/
[12:50] <MikeRotch> that was directly after running  gksu gnome-app-install
[12:50] <jussi01> MikeRotch: I havent seen thse errors before, sorry
[12:50] <MikeRotch> haha yea me neither thanks anyay though for the first help
[12:50] <jussi01> I have to go, nitwe
[12:50] <MikeRotch> laters
[02:03] <mikedep333> Hey, I have a laptop with a mobility radeon x1400, which is only supported by the ati binary driver fglrx at the moment
[02:03] <mikedep333> I booted from the tribe 3 cd and only get a command line
[02:03] <mikedep333> sudo apt-get install fglrx did not work
[02:06] <mikedep333> is the driver not in the repo yet or something?
[02:06] <mikedep333> nm, it is xorg-driver-fglrx
[02:47] <DanaG> Hmm, why does "dhclient eth0" try to get an IP even when the cable is unplugged?
[02:47] <zak> Hey!
[03:05] <DanaG> Hmm, I'm using the iwl3945 driver instead of iwp3945, but I haven't noticed any great difference in the behavior, as far as a user is concerned.
[03:12] <DanaG> Is the lack of a binary daemon the only major difference?
[03:18] <RAOF> And it uses the new softmac layer
[03:20] <DanaG> Aah.  Is there somewhere I can find a nice explanation of the difference between that and the old system?
[03:20] <RAOF> Probably.  Maybe kerneltrap?
[03:33] <RAOF> DanaG: Oh, sorry.  It's that the new driver uses the kernel infrastructure rather than rolling its own wireless stack.
[06:18] <keram> hey
[06:18] <keram> how do you mount a swap partition?
[06:18] <keram> my swap partition is /dev/sda5 but i dont know how to mount it
[06:19] <Hobbsee> sudo swapon /dev/sda5?
[06:19] <keram> ah
[06:19] <keram> should that show up when i do df -h?
[06:20] <Hobbsee> that should show up when you do "free"
[06:20] <keram> ah
[06:20] <keram> thanks :] 
[06:47] <Dekkard> i have 42 gig of freespace on my drive..but the upgrade tool says i need 92 meg of freespace on /boot.. /boot only has 111 meg used.. whats up?
[06:47] <Hobbsee> want to paste the output of "df -h -T" ?
[06:48] <Dekkard> Filesystem    Type    Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[06:48] <Dekkard> /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-root ext3     72G   27G   43G  39% /
[06:48] <Dekkard> varrun       tmpfs    237M  228K  236M   1% /var/run
[06:48] <Dekkard> varlock      tmpfs    237M     0  237M   0% /var/lock
[06:48] <Dekkard> procbususb   usbfs    237M  100K  236M   1% /proc/bus/usb
[06:48] <Dekkard> udev         tmpfs    237M  100K  236M   1% /dev
[06:48] <Dekkard> devshm       tmpfs    237M     0  237M   0% /dev/shm
[06:49] <Dekkard> /dev/hdb1     ext3    228M  104M  112M  49% /boot
[06:49] <Dekkard> sorry about that
[06:51] <Hobbsee> how weir...
[06:51] <Hobbsee> i dont know, tbh.
[06:52] <Dekkard> ok
[09:58] <jmg> hey all
[09:58] <jmg> my gutsy keeps locking up
[09:59] <jmg> mouse still moves, x keeps updating, cant click or update, something going on on hdd
[09:59] <jmg> cant shell in
[10:36] <jmg> guys my gutsy just died 10 minutes into the session. does it have anything to do with the fact im running xubuntu?
[10:37] <jmg> my rsync session is still running but the desktop is totally unresponsive
[10:37] <jmg> any ideas?
[10:46] <RAOF> jmg: Possibly,  People seem to be reporting xfce problems
[10:47] <Amaranth> RAOF: already dealt with in another channel :)
[03:15] <Peaker> In one of the last gutsy upgrades, my wireless (zd1211) started becoming unstable.. I get disconnected/reconnected every few minutes
[03:17] <Peaker> module-assistant fails to compile modules because of a missing linux/config.h
[05:12] <humbolto> gusty installer (alternate cd) does not detect my cdrom drive
[05:13] <humbolto> While I can easily mount it via console (/dev/scd0)
[05:13] <humbolto> it is a firewire cdr
[05:13] <humbolto> I thing feisty had the same problem.
[05:13] <humbolto> how can I circumvent this
[05:13] <humbolto> I can perform all installation steps until "install base system"
[05:14] <humbolto> then it tells me "bootstrap could not determine release name"
[05:14] <humbolto> so how can I correctly performe the cdrom detection and mounting by hand, so I can continue my installation?
[05:20] <humbolto> Anybody ther?
[08:57] <Daviey> recent upgrade broken evolution?
[08:59] <jriachi> hello
[09:00] <jriachi> i am running kubuntu gutsy, I have noticed that since i upgraded from feisty, kopete is no longer saving my conversation history
[09:00] <jussi01> jriachi: me too...
[09:01] <jriachi> is it a known bug / unfeature?
[09:01] <jussi01> no idea
[09:03] <wsjunior> jriachi: i did a clean install of kubuntu gutsy tribe 3 and kopete history plugins is working here
[09:07] <jriachi> wsjunior: enabled it or something in the config dialog?
[09:08] <wsjunior> settings->configure plugins and check history ;)
[09:08] <jriachi> i dont have configure pluggins :S
[09:08] <wsjunior> click in settings on the main kopete window
[09:09] <wsjunior> not it message window
[09:09] <jriachi> mm.. i see it now :)
[09:09] <wsjunior> :)
[09:09] <jriachi> now working
[09:11] <jriachi> then it is a usability problem... ; not wanting history in new chats is different from not wanting chat at all
[09:32] <luca__> hi everyone
[09:32] <luca__> can someone help me understand if some features are already working in gutsy please? :=
[09:32] <luca__> :)
[09:32] <tatters> hmm has ubuntu dropped support for wireless rt2500 drivers or are they not yet incorperated??
[09:32] <coNP> lots of features are already working
[09:32] <Daviey> luca__: yes, some work, others not
[09:33] <luca__> well suspension and knetwrokmanager are the ones I am most interested
[09:33] <luca__> and of course stability of older features :P
[09:33] <Daviey> luca__: You really don't want to use it on a machine you depend upon
[09:33] <luca__> is it that unstable?
[09:34] <luca__> I am trying it on a virtual machine right now
[09:34] <Daviey> plus upto 100mb a day updates
[09:34] <tatters> yup I had 3 big updates today already
[09:34] <Daviey> tatters: nautilus?
[09:35] <Daviey> Does it seems somewhat unstable now?
[09:35] <tatters> doont think I read that one
[09:35] <Raystlin_FM> luca__: knetworkmanager is working for me in gutsy... but that changes from day-to-day with updates...
[09:37] <tatters> Stable enough IMHO for me, I am a noob to linux 6 weeks, but used computers for 25 yrs and not much prob yet  apart from my wireless card has not been detected as it qas with fiesty
[09:38] <tatters> but the I aint got a clue whats happening under the hood, its probably destroying itself as I speak
[10:18] <jriachi> [21:38]  <tatters> but the I aint got a clue whats happening under the hood, its probably destroying itself as I speak  <-----   I think you should file a bug about that 'self-destruction procedures iniciated' pop-ups
[10:18] <jenda> QUIZ! Ubuntu quiz in #ubuntu-trivia at 21:00 UTC! Be there or be square. Today's prize: 5 Ubuntu case badges.
[10:57] <hwilde> is there a way to do fractional crontab entries,  like run every 30s ?
[11:07] <j4ne> hi
[11:10] <Shaftoooo> Possible to get DVD support inside gutsy?
[11:13] <j4ne> apt-cache search libdvdread3
[11:14] <Shaftoooo> I have that, What media player will it work with? Totem doesnt liek it
[11:29] <Karark|away> nautilus crashes everytime i try to navigate to another folder, any ideas?
[11:30] <coNP> Karark|away: I can confirm, but no ideas :(
[11:30] <coNP> it seems to be known, actually
[11:30] <Karark|away> hmm
[11:30] <Karark|away> i had just altered my partitions and thought maybe i had borked it
[11:30] <Karark|away> not sure if i'm happy to have no done this or not :)
[11:30] <Karark|away> not*
[11:32] <Karark|away> on the topic of partitions, i moved my swap to another disk and now it isn't mounting auto... does the follow look correct?
[11:32] <Karark|away> /dev/hda1            swap    sw              0       0
[11:33] <coNP> /dev/hda1 none swap sw 0 0
[11:33] <IntuitiveNipple> Karark|away: UUID=e5eb4b0d-f98b-4ab6-b1a8-0e2bd9ecc4dd none swap sw 0 0
[11:33] <coNP> so a "none" is missing
[11:34] <IntuitiveNipple> you've a "none" missing
[11:34] <Karark|away> ah, great thanks
[11:34] <IntuitiveNipple> or a nun
[11:34] <IntuitiveNipple> only cos I don't yet have my glow-in-the-dark keyboard lettering :p
[11:34] <Karark|away> that's not a bad idea, IntuitiveNipple
[11:35] <Karark|away> a glow in the dark pen might work well
[11:35] <IntuitiveNipple> I just found some tonight... I've been wanting some for ages, because i work in low-light alot
[11:35] <IntuitiveNipple> http://www.hebrewworld.com/glowing-keyboards.html
[11:36] <SeveredCross> Anyone here know about iwl3495?
[11:36] <Karark|away> that is neat
[11:37] <IntuitiveNipple> I've ordered three, guessing they'll wear out :)
[11:37] <coNP> Karark|away: is it the same as bug 127826 ?
[11:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127826 in nautilus "nautilus error opening directory" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127826
[11:37] <Karark|away> same as what i've seen at top of gutsy forum, will check bug
[11:37] <Karark|away> yea, that is the same
[11:38] <Karark|away> you can right click a folder and open in a new window, though
[11:38] <Karark|away> easy work around for the moment
[11:38] <rjek> Evening.
[11:38] <SeveredCross> Is there a reported bug where X sessions don't get locked when you lose the screen?
[11:38] <rjek> How does the GNOME shutdown  dialogue know if you can suspend/hibernate your laptop?
[11:38] <SeveredCross> Because I've looked through all of my preferences and I can't find any option about locking sessions (using GNOME here).
[11:39] <SeveredCross> I think it checks acpi rjek.
[11:39] <rjek> Oddly, the first time in any session that I open the window, they're not included.  However, futher attempts at opening the window shows them.  However, it still doesn't work.
[11:42] <rjek> SeveredCross: Any idea where to look at the logic that decides if it can or can't?
[11:42] <rjek> I'd like some reasoning, or to fix any bug that might be there.
[11:43] <cblack0> I am trying to set up apt so that it installs certain packages from gutsy but the rest it leaves alone. I am using apt pinning in /etc/apt/preferences for this. I am having issues, it seems to want to update like 20 other packages to gutsy releases
[11:44] <rjek> ACPI_SLEEP and ACPI_HIBERNATE are set to true in /etc/default/acpi-support
[11:44] <rjek> cblack0: Are you sure that the packages you want to install from gutsy don't depend on those 20 other packages?
[11:44] <cblack0> I am on feisty now but want just certain packages to be from gutsy. I have read a few apt pinning guides but it doesn't seem to be doing things right
[11:44] <cblack0> rjek, well, the package I want from gutsy is ant, and apt wants to update OpenOffice, so I don't think so :)
[11:45] <rjek> Well, OpenOffice might depend on ant - I do recall them using Java in its build system.
[11:45] <cblack0> and python, which has nothing to do w/ ant
[11:45] <rjek> Some support scripts might depend on the newer python.
[11:45] <rjek> Everything so far sounds feasible.
[11:45] <cblack0> rdesktop?
[11:46] <cblack0> adept?
[11:46] <cblack0> having all these depend on ant seems crazy
[11:46] <rjek> It's amazing how quickly dependancy trees spread.
[11:46] <cblack0> yeah...
[11:46] <rjek> They don't have to depend on ant, something ant depends on might depend on them.
[11:46] <rjek> It's worth actually *checking* though, rather than assuming it's wrong.
[11:47] <cblack0> question is, will gutsy adept+python+openoffice+update-manager-core screw up a feisty install?
[11:47] <rjek> If it did, I'd imagine there was a bug in their dependancies.
[11:49] <cblack0> ok, another question :)  : adept and update-manager don't hard-code repo/version prefs, they would just use the existing apt prefer3ences and repos, right?
[11:49] <Karark|away> anyone noticing tool tip on xchat coming up randomly?
[11:51] <rjek> cblack0: I'm not a KDE person, but I'd assume so.
[11:51] <cblack0> we shall see :)
[11:52] <cblack0> luckily I have an autoinstall cd for our workstations so this shouldn't be too disasterous
[11:56] <kazukisan> anyone having problems with random freezes?
[11:57] <rjek> Only in winter.
[11:57] <kazukisan> har har :P
[11:57] <rjek> If you're having random freezes, first thing I'd check is your memory and system temp.
[11:58] <kazukisan> had linux on here before, and feisty, its only doing it with gutsy
[12:01] <rjek> Next thing to check if you're absolutely sure it's not your hardware is to try an older kernel.
[12:01] <kazukisan> k
[12:02] <cblack0> man, after all that it didn't even update ant, gah
[12:06] <rjek> I'm at a complete loss with my problem, too.
[12:08] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I'm using iwl3945.
[12:09] <DanaG> I've found that you have to use mac80211 8.0.2 and iwlwifi 0.0.42  -- the iwlwifi 0.1.something panics the kernel.
[12:15] <kazukisan> wow k3b gotten a little shineyer
[12:19] <pwnguin> gnomebaker's gotten better, but it's still not quite up to k3b
[12:19] <kazukisan> pwnguin, to burn dvds do i need to install libdvdread3?
[12:19] <pwnguin> hmm
[12:20] <pwnguin> kazukisan: i donno. i do believe i have it installed however
[12:20] <kazukisan> hmm its already installed
[12:21] <humbolto> I am trying to upgrade from feisty to gutsy but get stuck at libc6. How can I force the installation of this package? dpkg --force-all does not help.
[12:22] <pwnguin> what error do you get at libc6?
[12:23] <humbolto> where is the pastebin again?
[12:23] <kazukisan> okay i have a .bin im trying to burn to a dvd, i put a dvd-r into the drive and load up k3b and open the .bin and click burn, but it says please insert an empty or appendable cd-r(w) medium ....
[12:23] <kazukisan> hmm nm
[12:23] <kazukisan> i figured it out
[12:24] <humbolto> pwnguin: A non-dpkg owned copy of the C library was found in /lib/tls.
[12:25] <humbolto> pwnguin: this is reffering to the old libc6 file(s)
[12:25] <humbolto> removing it disables sh of course.
[12:27] <humbolto> now I installed libc6-i686 first, with the result that everything segfaults now!