[12:37] <salty-horse> ping
[12:43] <salty-horse> ahem.. anyway, can someone please update the status of this bug? it's been fixed upstream. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/113683
[12:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113683 in firefox "hovering over splitter widget sets incorrect cursor" [Undecided,Incomplete] 
[08:17] <shirish> hi all, does anybody know when we can have ff3.0m6 or ff3.0a6 or we going to wait to m7 or m8?
[08:18] <shirish> broken down release plan http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3/Schedule
[08:21] <shirish> also can somebody take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-granparadiso/+bug/127668
[08:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127668 in firefox-granparadiso "does not clean up incomplete downloads" [Undecided,New] 
[11:38] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: thanks
[12:04] <asac> hjmf: what is the state of the auto-crash retracing et al?
[12:04] <asac> hjmf: has there ever been a sane backtrace for us?
[03:05] <gnomefreak> this is making me sick
[03:28] <asac> gnomefreak: oh
[03:28] <asac> gnomefreak: how are you?
[03:29] <asac> what is making you sick?
[03:29] <asac> trunk is still crashing
[03:29] <asac> i started to look a bit into it now again
[03:30] <gnomefreak> net connection
[03:30] <asac> oh
[03:30] <asac> U.S. :)
[03:30] <gnomefreak> dlink just told me thier wna-2330 isnt compatiable with linux, it was working monday at home now same card different router isnt working
[03:31] <gnomefreak> it looks like i stableized my desktop connection atleast for time being
[03:31] <asac> hmm
[03:31] <asac> wireless is just a mess
[03:31] <asac> wherever you look
[03:31] <gnomefreak> agreed
[03:31] <asac> i see severe slow down over time
[03:32] <asac> i blame sucky router ;)
[03:32] <asac> after resetting i get more throughput again
[03:32] <gnomefreak> how does ubuntu support it and dlink doesnt :(
[03:32] <asac> at least most times
[03:32] <asac> gnomefreak: its the same for any hardware
[03:32] <asac> if you ask if they support linux its constantly NO
[03:32] <gnomefreak> yeah im seeing that
[03:34] <gnomefreak> how did tribe3 go?
[03:34] <asac> there was an undiscovered bug in latest firefox that prevented fresh profiles to be installed
[03:34] <asac> it was fixed in time though
[03:34] <gnomefreak> i saw that i think when i was in and out due to connection
[03:35] <asac> yes ... but given the severity ... there was really little noise
[03:35] <gnomefreak> there were alot of profile bugs
[03:35] <asac> apparently most already have a profile :)
[03:35] <asac> right before the release yes
[03:35] <gnomefreak> cool
[03:35] <asac> e.g. when CDs were tested
[03:35] <asac> but not before
[03:36] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[03:36] <asac> which scares me a bit
[03:36] <asac> :)
[03:38] <gnomefreak> i agree but other than waiting for us to test there isnt much we can do with that on a 2-4 day release firefox > tribe#
[03:41] <asac> yes ... maybe its a good sign that we see this during CD testing
[03:42] <asac> ... so QA worked after all :)
[03:42] <gnomefreak> the sooner the better so we dont have to hold back release
[03:43] <asac> yes ... but holding back tribe for a day is not that a big problem i guess
[03:43] <gnomefreak> no its normal
[03:43] <asac> of course ... better have no bugs :)
[03:44] <gnomefreak> no software is free of bugs :) or programmers would have no work :)
[03:44] <asac> hehe
[03:44] <asac> yeah
[03:47] <gnomefreak> do i want "enable roaming mode" for wireless in n-m?
[03:48] <gnomefreak> oh wait might have it
[03:48] <gnomefreak> ha
[03:48] <gnomefreak> fuck dlink
[03:49] <gnomefreak> well will know in a few
[03:49] <gnomefreak> brb smoke
[03:53] <asac> at least some people appreciate that we still have 1.5 in dapper
[03:57] <gnomefreak> n-m seems to not care if wired or wireless with wireless it still shows up as wired in n-m
[03:57] <gnomefreak> 2.0 introduced a good amount of bugs afaik
[04:01] <asac> gnomefreak: can you reproduce these "all extensions broken" bugs?
[04:01] <asac> maybe you can try?
[04:01] <asac> greasemonkey didn't break at least
[04:01] <gnomefreak> all extenstions? mine still work
[04:02] <gnomefreak> afaik
[04:02] <asac> yeah there are already 3 dupes
[04:02] <asac> which scares me
[04:02] <asac> bug 127235
[04:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127235 in firefox "MASTER Add-ons are broken after 2.0.0.5 upgrade" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127235
[04:03] <asac> hmm just one dupe
[04:03] <gnomefreak> and they fail to work in safe-mode or --profile(whatever it is to run it in new profile)
[04:03] <gnomefreak> ?
[04:04] <asac> hmm
[04:04] <asac> they just fail afaik
[04:04] <asac> -safe-mode would disable them
[04:04] <asac> so no point to ask if they fail in safe-mode :)
[04:06] <gnomefreak> im thinking its a profile bug since there already is bug with profile not being made/made in wrong place and that is why they fail
[04:06] <asac> gnomefreak: what do you mean?
[04:06] <asac> i only know abut the profile bug we had before tribe-3
[04:06] <asac> and that was gutsy only
[04:07] <asac> which profile bug do you refer to?
[04:07] <gnomefreak> asac: where the profile is not created or created in wrong place or named wrong i remember seeing them in passing
[04:08] <asac> if you find such a bug, let me know :)
[04:08] <asac> i will search my inbox too
[04:08] <asac> but i can't remember such a bug atm
[04:09] <gnomefreak> i have ~600 or more emails to go through today im sure it will pop up in there, i may wait till after lunch to do email since its a weeks worth
[04:11] <asac> gnomefreak: hmm ... if i build minefield in mozilla source, i don't see the crashes
[04:11] <asac> nor do i see broken bookmarks
[04:12] <asac> whats going on here :)
[04:15] <gnomefreak> minefeild?
[04:15] <gnomefreak> you mean granparadiso?
[04:17] <asac> both
[04:17] <asac> interesting
[04:18] <asac> i somehow fail to see whats going on
[04:18] <asac> but there are files missing
[04:18] <gnomefreak> asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/127235/comments/8 tells me its a profile problem
[04:18] <asac> in -trunk
[04:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127235 in firefox "MASTER Add-ons are broken after 2.0.0.5 upgrade" [High,Confirmed] 
[04:18] <asac> gnomefreak: of course its related to profile
[04:18] <asac> question is ... why does profile break on upgrade
[04:19] <gnomefreak> iirc and i will look but it was failing to create it but ill let you know in a few if i see the bugs im thinking of
[04:21] <gnomefreak> maybe profile bug im thinking of was in 2.0.0.4
[04:32] <gnomefreak> asac: anyway to get bug 109732 fixed in next point release example: firefox 2.0.0.5+2-0ubuntu3? seems fairly trival
[04:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109732 in firefox "Help menu entry "Report a bug" inconsistent with Gnome" [Wishlist,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109732
[04:33] <asac> yes its triaged
[04:33] <asac> patches welcome :)
[04:33] <asac> actually those menus should go to ubufox
[04:33] <asac> so we can reduce patchset further
[04:36] <gnomefreak> patch in ubufox sounds better to me but doesnt firefox control the menus?
[04:36] <asac> no ... we can overlay them
[04:37] <asac> we currently carry a patch against firefox ... we just need a xul overlay in ubufox instead
[04:39] <asac> gnomefreak: so how should it be called in gnome?
[04:39] <gnomefreak> cool
[04:40] <gnomefreak> report a problem is what gnome calls it but let me check to make sure
[04:40] <asac> yes its that way
[04:40] <gnomefreak> yep Report a Problem
[04:41] <asac> damn we need to update all extension packages now
[04:41] <asac> :)
[04:41] <asac> aeh
[04:41] <asac> at least we need to collect icons for any of them
[04:41] <asac> as we need a app-install data package for extensions
[04:42] <gnomefreak> why not use gnome-app-install?
[04:43] <gnomefreak> or can we not do that nicely
[04:46] <gnomefreak> asac: i like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/88232/comments/7  just would change the short discryption to something else because it makes it sound like its the only mozilla browser
[04:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 88232 in firefox "Package description is very out of date" [Low,In progress] 
[04:48] <asac> yeah ... if some decent description comes up, I am willing to integrate that
[04:48] <asac> but i am not native speaker ... so better not by me :)
[04:48] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^
[04:49] <gnomefreak> i will work up a debdiff sometime today
[05:01] <asac> gnomefreak: please don't
[05:01] <asac> i am already doing it :)
[05:01] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[05:01] <asac> have to remove from firefox as well
[05:45] <bluekuja> heya asac
[05:47] <bluekuja> asac: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=424091
[05:47] <ubotu> Debian bug 424091 in agg "agg: FTBFS if built twice in a row" [Important,Open] 
[05:48] <bluekuja> do you think we can use those suggested patches?
[05:48] <gnomefreak> asac: what did mike say about iceape-calendar as i see it was accepted in debianhttp://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-mozilla-maintainers/2007-July/002852.html
[05:52] <gnomefreak> ok im out for a while i have things to do around here.
[05:52] <bluekuja> cya gnomefreak
[05:52] <gnomefreak> cya
[05:55] <bluekuja> asac: anyway I've noticed an increased bug traffic now^^
[05:58] <asac> bluekuja: please find a fix for that agg build problem
[05:58] <asac> just try if patches work ... if not do something else :)
[05:58] <bluekuja> asac: that guy said "it works"
[05:59] <bluekuja> gonna try it too
[05:59] <bluekuja> and then I add those patch
[05:59] <bluekuja> asac: I'm attaching gmsh debdiff
[05:59] <bluekuja> for you now
[05:59] <asac> gnomefreak: mike wants to resurrect it at some point
[05:59] <asac> bluekuja: don't talk about the future ... only past :)
[06:00] <bluekuja> asac: lol
[06:00] <bluekuja> :)
[06:00] <bluekuja> asac: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/174558
[06:04] <asac> your remaining changes don't document everything
[06:04] <asac> that is in the diff
[06:04] <bluekuja> why?
[06:04] <bluekuja> #
[06:04] <bluekuja> +    - Added a .desktop file (still validates with latest desktop-file-validate)
[06:04] <bluekuja> #
[06:04] <bluekuja> +      with respective icon.
[06:04] <bluekuja> is there
[06:04] <bluekuja> and the removed patch
[06:05] <bluekuja> is not a remaining
[06:05] <bluekuja> but a new change instead
[06:05] <bluekuja> I used *
[06:05] <bluekuja> instead of -
[06:05] <bluekuja> to push it as a NEW change
[06:05] <asac> look through the diff and try to see whatelse is not documented
[06:05] <bluekuja> not remaining
[06:06] <asac> whenever you see a diff that is not the changelog itself
[06:06] <asac> it should be documented in the remaining changes
[06:06] <asac> (except its a new change of course)
[06:06] <asac> not of course
[06:07] <asac> new changes are of course remaining as well
[06:07] <bluekuja> mm
[06:07] <asac> just important that they are in the changelog entry as well
[06:07] <asac> if you explicitly say remaining or NEW doesn't really matter for me
[06:07] <bluekuja> a MOTU, 1 month ago rejected a debdiff
[06:07] <bluekuja> for this reason
[06:08] <bluekuja> I put *
[06:08] <bluekuja> * -
[06:08] <bluekuja> and he said
[06:08] <bluekuja> "hey, you have to use *"
[06:08] <bluekuja> when is newe
[06:08] <bluekuja> e.g a change
[06:08] <asac> thats none of my business
[06:08] <bluekuja> yeah, I know :)
[06:08] <asac> syntax doesn't matter for me
[06:08] <asac> its just content
[06:08] <asac> thats missing
[06:09] <asac> unexplained changes
[06:09] <bluekuja> asac: I can't see an unexplained change there
[06:09] <asac> just look at the diff thorougly and you will see
[06:09] <bluekuja> mmm
[06:09] <asac> check for every change if its in your latest changelog entry
[06:09] <asac> and you will find that its not
[06:10] <bluekuja> you mean the space in gmsh-2.0.8/debian/patches/00list?
[06:10] <bluekuja> it's a minor
[06:10] <asac> just do everything right
[06:10] <asac> there are more
[06:10] <asac> this one needs to go obviously though
[06:11] <asac> its a not-needed bloat of diff.gz
[06:11] <bluekuja> yea
[06:11] <bluekuja> gonna just delete it from debdiff
[06:11] <bluekuja> but that's not the matter now
[06:12] <bluekuja> need to see what's wrong
[06:13] <bluekuja> asac: other point is the patch I removed?
[06:13] <bluekuja> because I don't see anything wrong in the .desktop/icon remaining change
[06:14] <bluekuja> so only thing is the removed patch
[06:14] <asac> it doesn't document gmsh-2.0.8/debian/menu
[06:14] <asac> and don't say it does ... then be more explicit
[06:14] <asac> it just refers to .desktop file
[06:15] <asac> further debian/rules diff is not discussed
[06:15] <asac> and 00list should not be in debdiff at all
[06:17] <bluekuja> debian/menu is explained in Added a .desktop file
[06:17] <bluekuja> where the icon refers too
[06:18] <bluekuja> but if you say that it's not explicit
[06:18] <asac> read what i said
[06:18] <bluekuja> I gonna fix
[06:18] <bluekuja> yeah
[06:18] <asac> its something different
[06:18] <bluekuja> :)
[06:18] <asac> a .desktop file is a .desktop file
[06:18] <asac> a menu file is a menu file
[06:18] <bluekuja> yeah
[06:18] <bluekuja> I did not explain the problem
[06:18] <bluekuja> in the correct way
[06:18] <asac> yup
[06:19] <bluekuja> :)
[06:19] <asac> ok ... if those three things are adapted, then I don't see anything else from that debdiff
[06:19] <bluekuja> I need to write more verbose things in changelog entry
[06:19] <asac> just be a bot and document each change you see from top-to-bottom
[06:20] <bluekuja> nice comparison
[06:20] <bluekuja> :)
[06:20] <bluekuja> understood the point
[06:20] <bluekuja> and fixing
[06:20] <asac> pattern: what do you see + what does it do + why was it done
[06:20] <asac> ... initially
[06:20] <asac> if that is available for each change then its perfect imo
[06:21] <bluekuja> yea
[06:21] <bluekuja> but unfortunately
[06:21] <bluekuja> not every developer document stuff in the correct way
[06:21] <bluekuja> so we have to restore everything
[06:21] <bluekuja> that was missed/forgotten from previous mergers
[06:21] <bluekuja> I've seen this in a lot of packages
[06:24] <asac> yes ... which is why its safe to document what you see in debdiff everytime
[06:24] <asac> you never know if previous uploader did forget to document things
[06:25] <bluekuja> yup
[06:25] <bluekuja> absolutely right
[06:28] <bluekuja> asac: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/174624
[06:31] <asac> why don't you just name the files you touch in the beginning?
[06:31] <asac> i mean its not a .menu file
[06:31] <asac> its a menu file
[06:31] <bluekuja> you mean something
[06:31] <bluekuja> like
[06:31] <bluekuja> debian/rules:
[06:31] <bluekuja> -change
[06:31] <bluekuja> this way?
[06:32] <asac> for instance
[06:33] <asac> and don't abbreviations in file names you mention
[06:33] <asac> e.g. .desktop becomes: PACKAGE.desktop
[06:33] <asac> et al
[06:34] <bluekuja> ok
[06:39] <bluekuja> asac: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/174686
[06:39] <bluekuja> i think it should be ok
[06:39] <bluekuja> it's now well documented
[06:39] <bluekuja> with every file I touched
[06:40] <asac> its still .menu ... which is wrong
[06:40] <asac> anyway ... otherwise ok imo
[06:40] <bluekuja> yeah noticed
[06:41] <bluekuja> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/174689
[06:41] <bluekuja> I copied it
[06:41] <asac> i trust that you fixed it
[06:41] <bluekuja> that's why was still there
[06:41] <bluekuja> :)
[06:41] <bluekuja> it builds
[06:41] <bluekuja> dpkg-deb: building package `gmsh' in `../gmsh_2.0.8-1ubuntu1_i386.deb'.
[06:42] <bluekuja> from now on, I gonna write verbose changelog's entries
[06:43] <bluekuja> from your words, I've understood it's really important
[06:43] <bluekuja> to restore informations previously losty
[06:43] <bluekuja> for instance
[06:45] <asac> sure
[06:45] <bluekuja> asac: thanks for nice hint btw
[06:45] <bluekuja> ;)
[06:45] <asac> remaining changes should obviously document remaining changes ... and not remaining-documented-chnages :)
[06:45] <bluekuja> :D
[06:49] <bluekuja> asac: when you'll have time to push it let me know
[06:49] <asac> he?
[06:50] <asac> thought you want to go sponsor way then
[06:50] <bluekuja> oh
[06:50] <bluekuja> mm
[06:50] <bluekuja> dunno
[06:50] <asac> bugs are needed to document anything
[06:50] <asac> i can sponsor then
[06:50] <bluekuja> opening a bug right now
[06:50] <bluekuja> ;)
[06:54] <bluekuja> asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmsh/+bug/127766
[06:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127766 in gmsh "Merge gmsh (2.0.8-1) from debian unstable" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 
[06:54] <asac> can you please post links to upstream pieces?
[06:55] <asac> otherwise its like digging for gold :)
[06:55] <bluekuja> asac: for?
[06:55] <bluekuja> FTBFS for gcc?
[06:56] <asac> how the hell do you get to that conclusion
[06:56] <asac> nm
[06:56] <asac> i pull it manually now
[06:56] <bluekuja> 0_0
[06:56] <bluekuja> I didnt understand ^^
[06:57] <asac> source pieces
[06:57] <asac> lik orig, diff, dsc
[06:58] <bluekuja> oh
[06:58] <asac> note: i have no merge infrastructure
[06:58] <asac> so i do manually
[06:58] <bluekuja> oh sorry
[06:58] <asac> but already grabbed manually
[06:58] <bluekuja> didnt know that
[06:58] <bluekuja> oh cool
[06:58] <bluekuja> :
[06:58] <bluekuja> :)
[06:59] <asac> i hate tex packages
[06:59] <asac> i don't want that on my system
[07:00] <bluekuja> :D
[07:04] <asac> so please agg now
[07:04] <bluekuja> yeah
[07:04] <bluekuja> next TODO is agg now
[07:04] <bluekuja> I need to push those patches
[07:04] <bluekuja> and try to see if it works
[07:05] <asac> please try to understand patches before you apply them
[07:05] <bluekuja> yea
[07:05] <asac> e.g. read patches ... if they look reasonable apply .. otherwise develop on your own
[07:05] <bluekuja> need to re-check the whole bug
[07:05] <asac> don't apply and test
[07:05] <asac> k
[07:05] <bluekuja> I read it and said "damn"
[07:05] <bluekuja> that's all
[07:06] <bluekuja> I had to leave
[07:06] <bluekuja> ^^
[07:06] <asac> k
[07:06] <asac> gmsh upload finished
[07:06] <bluekuja> thanks alex
[07:06] <bluekuja> ;)
[07:06] <asac> please be responsive in case issues pop-up
[07:06] <asac> ;)
[07:06] <bluekuja> asac: agg issues?
[07:07] <asac> any :)
[07:07] <bluekuja> or general talking issues?
[07:07] <bluekuja> oh
[07:07] <bluekuja> :)
[07:07] <asac> from this upload i mean
[07:07] <asac> :)
[07:07] <bluekuja> :)
[07:07] <asac> for agg as well
[07:08] <bluekuja> yea
[07:08] <bluekuja> alex, remember to mark it fix committed
[07:08] <bluekuja> et all
[07:08] <bluekuja> as alwais
[07:08] <bluekuja> ;)
[07:08] <asac> me?
[07:08] <bluekuja> gonna move it to fix released when built
[07:08] <asac> i don't want to do that :)
[07:08] <bluekuja> lol
[07:08] <bluekuja> at least say "uploaded"
[07:08] <asac> please include LP: #BUGID in changelog next time :)
[07:09] <bluekuja> :D
[07:09] <bluekuja> I thought it was for "bug fixes" only
[07:09] <asac> yes i set fix committed
[07:09] <asac> i thought you mean fix released ;)
[07:09] <asac> thats your job when build succeeded iirc
[07:09] <bluekuja> yeah
[07:09] <bluekuja> adding LP: #
[07:09] <asac> done
[07:09] <bluekuja> is for bug frixes
[07:09] <bluekuja> *fixes
[07:09] <asac> ok
[07:09] <bluekuja> only
[07:09] <bluekuja> I think
[07:09] <asac> i have no idea ;)
[07:10] <asac> i think it should be done for sponsoring as well
[07:10] <bluekuja> yeah
[07:10] <bluekuja> but maybe it can mess up things
[07:10] <asac> its a new feature so probably nobody revised current policy
[07:10] <asac> but anyway
[07:10] <asac> might be
[07:10] <bluekuja> something like "hey, was it a bug fix or a merge?"
[07:10] <bluekuja> and stuff like that
[07:11] <bluekuja> I really need to fix agg
[07:11] <bluekuja> before holidays
[07:12] <bluekuja> I don't want to have a delay on that
[07:45] <asac> bluekuja: try to reproduce the bug first ... then figure out a fix
[07:45] <asac> out for a few hours
[08:58] <asac> hjmf: did benjamin review your patch?