[12:11] <Innatech> What should I make of this?  insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.15-28-386/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module
[12:31] <bje> ip_conntrack.ko is probably not from a 2.6.15-28-386 kernel
[12:35] <Innatech> hrm. I kinda figured it would be considering I have a different directory structure for other kernels. 
[12:41] <Innatech> in any case, what would I do to fix it so I can have ip_conntrack ? 
[01:19] <tck> feisty universe uses ike-scan 1.7 when 1.9 is out
[01:19] <tck> is there a way one can request an update?
[03:08] <CraigYounkins> so i'm using 7.04 server and mdadm for software raid 1 over 3 drives. When i physically fail a drive, ubuntu will not start, stating "mdadm: /dev/md0 assembled from 2 drives (out of 3), but not started" . It appears this is related to the flags it's passing to mdadm to assemble the array. I made modifications to rcS.d, but I can't seem to get it to work. Any ideas?
[03:09] <mralphabet> CraigYounkins: booting off the array? is it raid 5?  Last I heard, mdadm had difficulty booting off raid 5
[03:09] <CraigYounkins> the first 2 partitions (/boot and /) are raid 1
[03:10] <CraigYounkins> and third partition is a swap (non RAID) and the fourth is for RAID5
[03:12] <mralphabet> CraigYounkins: odd, I know I've booted off depracated arrays before
[03:13] <CraigYounkins> Yeah I mean the OS and /boot is all on each drive. it should be able to boot with only 1 of the 3. It's something with the way ubuntu is assembling the array. as you can see above, it won't "Start" the array even though it has 2 of the 3 drives.
[03:13] <mralphabet> is this holding up booting?
[03:14] <mralphabet> or just not mounting the raid 5
[03:14] <CraigYounkins> it only boots fully with all 3. with only 2 it prints the message above and dumps me into ash without mounting any of the arrays.
[03:15] <CraigYounkins> i might try the more server-stable Debian
[03:32] <infinity> CraigYounkins: Take the "--no-degraded" out of /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/mdadm and update-initramfs -u
[03:33] <infinity> CraigYounkins: We've been having a pretty heated argument over the sanity of that default recently.
[03:34] <CraigYounkins> wow... thanks for the response infinity! let me try it!
[03:39] <infinity> I take no responsibility for your computer blowing up.  I've been awake for 2 days (the last 18 hours of which have involved sitting in LAX, waiting for a flight), so I'm not all here. :)
[03:50] <CraigYounkins> infinity: Thank you again. I believe it worked, but i'll have to do more testting to be sure
[03:55] <ScottK> lamont: If you are up for looking at Postfix bugs, Bug 127555 might be worth a look.
[03:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127555 in postfix "package postfix 2.4.3-1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127555
[04:37] <vas> is any one here at the moment?
[04:37] <CraigYounkins> yeah, ask 
[04:38] <vas> so I do not seek help from thin air
[04:38] <vas> k cool
[04:38] <vas> I thought that apt-get remove would un-install a program so I coulod re-install it, although after usint it, I tried to apt-get install it and it cannot be found
[04:38] <CraigYounkins> for the record, there are 46 people in the room -_-
[04:38] <CraigYounkins> what proggie
[04:38] <vas> proggie?
[04:39] <CraigYounkins> what program
[04:39] <vas> snort
[04:40] <vas> it reeffers me to snort-common... and when I do that it reffers me back to snort
[04:41] <vas> any ideas?
[04:42] <infinity> Do you still have universe in your sources.list?
[04:43] <CraigYounkins> vas:  what happens with "sudo apt-get remove snort"?
[04:43] <infinity> Sounds to me like perhaps you don't actually HAVE snort available anymore.
[04:43] <infinity> (ie: you don;t have a deb source for universe anymore)
[04:43] <vas> I had it available tirty seconds ago
[04:43] <vas> how do I get it back infinity
[04:43] <infinity> Err, what error does apt give you?
[04:43] <infinity> Paste it.
[04:44] <vas> sudo apt-get install snort?
[04:44] <infinity> Yeah.
[04:44] <vas> socrates@SOCRATES:~$ sudo apt-get install snort
[04:44] <vas> Reading package lists... Done
[04:44] <vas> Building dependency tree       
[04:44] <vas> Reading state information... Done
[04:44] <vas> Package snort is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:44] <vas> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:44] <vas> is only available from another source
[04:44] <vas> However the following packages replace it:
[04:44] <vas>   snort-common
[04:44] <vas> E: Package snort has no installation candidate
[04:44] <vas> snort-common does teh same except it reffers me to snort
[04:44] <infinity> grep universe /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:45] <vas> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[04:45] <vas> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty universe
[04:45] <vas> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty universe
[04:45] <vas> # deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[04:45] <vas> # deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[04:45] <vas> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-security universe
[04:45] <vas> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-security universe
[04:45] <infinity> Curious.
[04:45] <infinity> "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install snort"
[04:46] <vas> infinity, it seems to be connecting and downloading a bunch of files
[04:46] <vas>  Could not resolve 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'
[04:46] <vas> Err http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/multiverse Translation-en_US  
[04:46] <vas>   Could not resolve 'security.ubuntu.com'
[04:46] <vas> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/multiverse Translation-en_US         
[04:46] <vas>   Could not resolve 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'
[04:46] <vas> Ign http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security Release                       
[04:46] <vas> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-updates Release.gpg                  
[04:46] <vas>   Could not resolve 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'
[04:46] <vas> Ign http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/main Packages                 
[04:46] <vas> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-updates/main Translation-en_US  
[04:46] <infinity> Well, there you go.
[04:46] <vas> gn http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/multiverse Packages           
[04:46] <vas> Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty-updates Release                      
[04:46] <vas> Ign http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/multiverse Sources            
[04:46] <vas> Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates Release                      
[04:46] <vas> Err http://security.ubuntu.com feisty-security/main Packages                 
[04:46] <infinity> Your DNS is broken.  Can't fix that for you.
[04:46] <vas>   Could not resolve 'security.ubuntu.com'
[04:46] <vas> Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main P
[04:46] <vas> tlike that
[04:46] <vas> things like that** ??
[04:46] <vas> how do I fix it
[04:46] <infinity> 12:46 < infinity> Your DNS is broken.  Can't fix that for you.
[04:47] <infinity> If you run your own DNS, fix it.  If it's your ISP... Well... Nothing I can do.
[04:47] <vas> I don't beleive it's my own DNS
[04:47] <infinity> (This is all assuming the machine has an internet connection at all...)
[04:47] <vas> yes
[04:47] <vas> it does
[04:47] <vas> could it be a problem in host
[04:47] <vas> I have been bugging around with that a little because I am setting up SAMBA
[04:48] <infinity> You moight want to take this to #ubuntu.
[04:48] <vas> would be ok if I pasted the first 2 likes real quick for you to see
[04:48] <infinity> Generic "My DNS /network is broken" isn't very servder-specific. :)
[04:48] <infinity> Ugh, I can't type.
[04:48] <vas> alright
[04:48] <vas> thnx for the help this far guys
[04:53] <CraigYounkins> infinity: Don't you need some sleep?
[04:55] <CraigYounkins> well whatever. Good night!
[08:23] <vas> hey is anyone here familiar with snort, their channels dead
[08:23] <vas> not dead but quiet... no one talking at all
[08:25] <BFTD> hrm?
[09:43] <[miles] > morning
[09:43] <[miles] > is anyone using Landscape yet?
[09:49] <jbrouhard> landscape ?
[09:54] <[miles] > yep
[09:54] <[miles] > http://cetico.org/tech/2006/05/ubuntu-landscape-somewhat-announced.html
[09:56] <[miles] > http://www.cetico.org/nwu
[09:56] <[miles] > mmm interesting also
[09:57] <[miles] > cos I've got quite a few boxes I'm admining, this would be handy
[09:59] <soren> [miles] : It was only just announced yesterday. I doubt it has seen widespread adoption yet :)
[09:59] <[miles] > jeje
[10:00] <[miles] > well, just check out this NWU now also
[10:00] <[miles] > soren: do u know if Support from Can. is per-box or as unlimited boxes, per yeaar?
[10:01] <soren> [miles] : Per box, but I'm sure you can get a good deal if you've got many machines.
[10:01] <jbrouhard> eh.. i'm not sure i like nwu, but I use nagios to keep track of servers tbh
[10:01] <soren> [miles] : Landscape is quite a bit more than nwu, as far as I can tell.
[10:02] <[miles] > jbrouhard: nwu is for updates, nagios is to monitor
[10:02] <[miles] > ok thanks soren
[10:03] <[miles] > a Mono based GUI would be nice
[10:03] <[miles] > for NWU
[10:03] <jbrouhard> meh
[10:03] <jbrouhard> a simple cron script would solve the updates ;)
[10:04] <[miles] > jbrouhard: yes, but also you can drive a mini or a ferrari
[10:04] <jbrouhard> Nah
[10:04] <[miles] > personally, I'd rather drive the ferrari
[10:04] <jbrouhard> those cars are too small :)
[10:04] <[miles] > jeje
[10:04] <jbrouhard> I like my pickup
[10:04] <[miles] > need to find more info out on NWU and see if it's stable etc
[10:04] <jbrouhard> That and my '69 dodge Charger :)
[10:04] <jbrouhard> nwu does sound like a decent application
[10:05] <jbrouhard> tho why is nagios broken in ubuntu ?  i keep getting package dependency problems (php4)
[10:05] <[miles] > try Zabbix
[10:05] <[miles] > we're running it here
[10:05] <[miles] > added SMS alerts etc
[10:05] <[miles] > been running since b4 xmas
[10:05] <jbrouhard> Oh?
[10:05] <jbrouhard> SMS Alerts?
[10:05] <jbrouhard> nice
[10:06] <jbrouhard> how easy is it to install ?
[10:06] <[miles] > very
[10:06] <jbrouhard> is it in debian repos as well ?
[10:06] <[miles] > dunno, I built it from source
[10:06] <[miles] > right, coffee time
[10:06] <[miles] > bbiab
[10:06] <soren> jbrouhard: I've done sms alerts with nagios, too.
[10:07] <soren> jbrouhard: Which version of Ubuntu are you on?
[10:08] <jbrouhard> heh.. it only exists in ubuntu, not debian upstream.  hah
[10:08] <jbrouhard> Right now, I'm using Kubuntu Feisty Fawn.  my servers currently run Debian Sarge
[10:09] <jbrouhard> i'm planning a major migration when we move our colocation servers from Portland, OR to Kansas City Missouri in the next month or two.  the New servers will have Ubuntu-server 
[10:11] <soren> jbrouhard: I'm just curious about why you say Nagios is broken? It works fine for me (Edgy and Gutsy systems).
[10:11] <jbrouhard> one monment
[10:11] <jbrouhard> lemme recreate what i did
[10:12] <jbrouhard> where's ubuntu paste bin ?
[10:12] <soren> !pastebin
[10:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:13] <jbrouhard> Thanks
[10:13] <jbrouhard> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30877/
[10:15] <soren> jbrouhard: What if you remove nagat from the equation?
[10:16] <jbrouhard> Lemme try that
[10:16] <jbrouhard> That worked
[10:16] <jbrouhard> whats up with nagat ?
[10:16] <soren> That was on Feisty, was it?
[10:16] <jbrouhard> Yes
[10:17] <soren> jbrouhard: Broken (stale) dependencies. 
[10:17] <jbrouhard> aha
[10:17] <soren> jbrouhard: We ditched php4 (and never had php3), but nagat didn't list php5 as a valid option.
[10:17] <jbrouhard> aha
[10:18] <jbrouhard> I'm trying to find out if Plesk will install on ubuntu-server.
[10:18] <jbrouhard> I'm told it may not
[10:18] <soren> jbrouhard: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/ubuntu/pool/universe/n/nagat/nagat_1.0a2-8ubuntu3_all.deb
[10:18] <soren> If you use that instead (it's from gutsy), you should be fine.
[10:18] <soren> bbiab
[10:19] <jbrouhard> Ok
[10:19] <jbrouhard> i"ll try that next time
[10:19] <jbrouhard> I gotta get to sleep
[10:19] <jbrouhard> thanks soren
[10:26] <[miles] > mmm why is nwu not included in server ?
[10:26] <[miles] > mmm ok, it's alpha
[10:26] <[miles] > jeje
[10:26] <[miles] > :-|
[10:29] <soren> [miles] : Have you used it?
[10:29] <[miles] > no
[10:29] <[miles] > litterly found it when I was asking you about Landscape
[10:30] <soren> [miles] : Ah, ok.
[10:31] <[miles] > It does not seem to be overly developed
[10:31] <[miles] > erm, activivly even
[10:31] <[miles] > currently. Zimbra is my baby... wow, I love it
[10:32] <soren> [miles] : Anyhow, Landscape seems to combine something like nwu, Zimbra and a few other things. I've never used it, though.
[10:33] <[miles] > you mean zabbix right, not zimbra
[10:34] <soren> [miles] : Um, yes.
[10:34] <soren> [miles] : Yes, definitely. I'm on crack.
[10:35] <[miles] > jaja
[10:39] <soren> [miles] : Where did you hear about Landscape anyway?
[10:40] <[miles] > mmm wired iirc
[10:41] <soren> [miles] : Ah, ok. I was just curius since the article you linked to was over a year old. It seemed like a curius concidence that you stumbled upon that only the day after Landscape actually was announced :)
[11:32] <[miles] > jesus, FF is bombing out left right and centre
[11:33] <[miles] > I've never know it to be so unstable
[01:28] <Nafallo> morning. I have about ~20 servers and a backupbox with 8 3ware-raided drives. all servers connected on the same optical ring, but in different datacenters.
[01:28] <Nafallo> what backupsolution should I be looking at? :-)
[01:29] <[miles] > bacula
[01:31] <Nafallo> looking at that right now infact. do you know ofhand how restores is done? if I have different users with the same uid/gid on two servers and does a partial restore from one to the other, who will own the files? :-)
[01:33] <soren> Nafallo: I will :)
[01:33] <soren> Nafallo: muahahah!
[01:33] <Nafallo> soren: :-P
[01:34] <Nafallo> hmm. another thought. do bacula in Ubuntu has a maintainer who takes care about security in it? ;-)
[01:34] <Nafallo> I see it's in Universe ;-)
[01:35] <soren> Nafallo: I don't remember how fine-grained you can restrict access to do partial backups, but if it's sane, you could make it so that users only can restore from/to the server where the backup originated.
[01:37] <Nafallo> yea, but I've ran backuppc at home for the last years. backup my ex-girlfriends server via the darknet, and if I would need to restore a backup from my server to hers files owned by me here would be owned by her there since both are UID 1000 ;-)
[01:37] <Nafallo> I'd like to avoid that if possible.
[01:39] <soren> Nafallo: I honestly don't remember if bacula uses uid, usernames or both...
[01:40] <Nafallo> hmm. we don't have a maintainer for it in Ubuntu it seems.
[01:40] <Nafallo> if I decide to run it we will have though :-P
[01:40] <Nafallo> a friend tends to get an error on restore with it.
[01:40] <Nafallo> Wanted ID: "BB02", got ".".
[01:40] <Nafallo> Buffer discarded.
[01:41] <soren> Nafallo: http://www.bacula.org/rel-manual/Bacula_Console.html#SECTION0022180000000000000000
[01:42] <Nafallo> soren: thanks
[01:52] <[miles] > mmm
[01:52] <[miles] > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6908946.stm
[01:52] <[miles] > I've made a slight alteration
[01:52] <[miles] > http://milesbarry.es/419school.jpg
[01:52] <[miles] > ;)
[02:28] <bain> alo
[02:28] <bain> ajmitch: :) 
[02:29] <bain> stephanbuys: :) 
[02:30] <stephanbuys> bain, :)
[02:37] <Nafallo> hi
[04:41] <SA1300> I'm new to disk management on Linux, I installed Ubuntu server on a system with two identical 40 Gb drives. The system mounts partitions on both drives but there are about 30 Gb or so unaccounted for. Can someone help me locate this space?
[04:52] <Nafallo> hmm. I think bacula in dapper is borked.
[04:53] <Nafallo> complains that I only have postgresql 7.4 and claims it would like 8.1
[05:05] <mralphabet> sa1300 apparently isn't terribly concerned about his missing partitions :/
[06:37] <kshahnjd> I'm confused as to the email services available in the install guide for ubuntu server, are all four needed or is Postfix/Mailman all that is needed?
[06:38] <kshahnjd> is Mailman like squirrel, or it just the interface portion?
[06:38] <kshahnjd> nvm, stupid q
[06:41] <kshahnjd> alright, so it's either Postfix or Exim4+Mailman ? I can't use the Mailman web interface with postfix?
[06:45] <Nafallo> you can't?
[06:45] <Nafallo> why not?
[06:45] <kshahnjd> I misunderstood what each component was responsible for, i was asking stupid questions
[06:45] <asisak> kshahnjd: I guess it is either exim4+mailman or postfix+mailman
[06:46] <kshahnjd> I just need a MTA and a MDA, right? so that's Postfix and Dovecot?
[06:46] <asisak> maybe
[06:46] <kshahnjd> I kinda wanted a web interface like squirrel's too
[06:47] <Nafallo> depends on what the box is supposed to be doing
[06:47] <asisak> you can use squirrelmail
[06:47] <Nafallo> roundcube seems a nice webinterface for IMAP btw
[06:47] <asisak> but both exim4 & postfix can act as an MDA as well
[06:47] <asisak> IIRC
[06:47] <kshahnjd> I'm not use to having a separate transfer agent and delivery agent as they call it, whenever I'm installed an email daemon before, it's always just one piece of software
[06:47] <kshahnjd> not multiple
[06:48] <asisak> yep
[06:48] <kshahnjd> and the postfix installation was a bitch
[06:48] <Nafallo> ehrm
[06:48] <Nafallo> apt-get install postfix, done
[06:48] <kshahnjd> the config according to the server guide is what i followed, maybe I didn't need too
[06:49] <asisak> I use exim4 that is very simple (because it is the default)
[06:49] <kshahnjd> no web interface though?
[06:49] <asisak> but configuring either postfix or qmail should not be very difficult
[06:49] <ScottK> It's not the default in Ubuntu
[06:49] <Nafallo> well, I always choose to let my conf be and do it by hand anyway.
[06:49] <asisak> oh, not any more
[06:49] <asisak> I thought it has been
[06:50] <ScottK> It's default in Debian.
[06:50] <Nafallo> ScottK: postfix is still the preferred MTA, no?
[06:50] <ScottK> Yes
[06:50] <ScottK> Not Exim
[06:50] <asisak> okay, nice to learn this
[06:50] <Nafallo> :-)
[06:50] <asisak> on both debian and ubuntu boxen
[06:50] <kshahnjd> I don't understand why the MTA and MDA are separate, fyi i'm new to linux
[06:51] <asisak> they are two separate concepts / interfaces / tasks / ...
[06:51] <asisak> not two separate pieces of software (in the case of exim / exim4 / postfix) at least
[06:51] <ScottK> kshahnjd: If you want to use Postfix and are new to Linux/Postfix, I STRONGLY suggest you run out an buy "The Book Of Postfix".
[06:52] <ScottK> Postfix can be an MDA, but is limited.  Depending on your needs you may want another like Dovecot or Courier.
[06:52] <kshahnjd> ScottK: I have no reason to use one daemon over another yet, I would like to use something with a web interface though like squirrel
[06:52] <asisak> Book The Postfix Of
[06:52] <asisak> you should  take care of the postfix notation :D
[06:52] <kshahnjd> So i guess i'm looking for a recommendation
[06:53] <asisak> kshahnjd: squirrel is totally independent of MTA / MDA 
[06:53] <asisak> it is a MUA
[06:53] <asisak> (for the sake of TLAs)
[06:53] <kshahnjd> I see
[06:53] <kshahnjd> so what do you use?
[06:54] <kshahnjd> for MTA/ MDA?
[06:54] <kshahnjd> u said Exim before but that is just the MTA
[06:54] <asisak> it is also MDA
[06:54] <ScottK> for an MDA
[06:54] <ScottK> kshahnjd: Get the book and start with Postfix.
[06:54] <kshahnjd> oh, that's where my confusion is, the server docs are lying to me
[06:54] <ScottK> Get that working and add pieces from there.
[06:55] <ScottK> kshahnjd: The server docs cover a particular set of use cases that may or may not match your needs.  That is not "lying" to you.
[06:56] <asisak> wow, Nafallo, do you administer large server(s)?
[06:58] <Nafallo> coNP: that's my homeserver with several of my domains on it. will be migrating my new job to something like it ASAP though. will add a spamfilter and roundcube though.
[06:58] <coNP> wow, I also want to try roundcube
[06:58] <kshahnjd> already, I gotta disable postfix then and install exim and squirrel
[06:58] <kshahnjd> *alrighty
[06:59] <coNP> do you think exim4 is vulnerable?
[06:59] <kshahnjd> fmi, is Postfix also an MTA/MDA then too?
[07:00] <Nafallo> I think using software that's written with security in mind all the way is the sane choice.
[07:00] <Nafallo> atleast for servers
[07:00] <coNP> sure
[07:00] <coNP> so you recommend postfix?
[07:00] <Nafallo> yes
[07:00] <coNP> I might have a look at it
[07:00] <coNP> do you have any performace comparisons, btw?
[07:01] <Nafallo> no. not really. always used postfix and those damn beasts are configurable to the extent comparisons are not comparable :-)
[07:02] <coNP> you are righty right
[07:04] <coNP> hmm?
[07:06] <Nafallo> it's just a backupbox
[07:06] <Nafallo> still need an MTA
[07:07] <coNP> oh I seem to see
[07:16] <kshahnjd> for real world purposes what is the advantage for a small operation using IMAP over POP?
[07:17] <kshahnjd> IMAP is generally considered more secure too?
[07:17] <coNP> I guess POP3S and IMAPS can be secure, but neither POP3 nor IMAP
[07:19] <kshahnjd> They also want me to specify which mailbox to use for dovecot, as in maildir or mbox, and the link they provide to the advantages of either is broken
[07:19] <kshahnjd> do u prefer one over the other?
[07:25] <ScottK> With pop3 your users are responsible for backups and if they lose stuff, oh well.  WIth IMAP, you have to do it and if you lose their stuff, not good.
[07:25] <ScottK> IMAP takes a lot more server space.
[07:25] <coNP> ScottK: yep, this is the another side of what I said
[07:38] <Nafallo> with IMAP mail is on the server, so you can basically reach your mbox from any MUA with Internet access :-)
[07:39] <Nafallo> or rather maildir if I was to decide.
[07:39] <coNP> it is transparent
[07:39] <coNP> I mean from the MUA side
[07:41] <ScottK> Only if you have high bandwidth and a reliable internet connection.
[07:53] <kshahnjd> I guess i'm maildir then
[07:55] <leonel> there's been some noise about  6.06.2    any  info on the release plans ?
[08:05] <kshahnjd> suggestions for a webmail interface?
[08:06] <ScottK> squirrelmail is popular.  leonel can tell you about it.
[08:07] <leonel> Been using it  for some time  and it's a light  and simple webmail that  works  even in my cell phone :)
[08:07] <kshahnjd> apt-get install squirrelmail :) ?
[08:08] <kshahnjd> (new to linux)
[08:08] <leonel> enable universe in case you haven't
[08:08] <leonel> and apt-get will do the  magic
[08:08] <kshahnjd> universe?
[08:09] <leonel> kshahnjd: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_apt-get_the_easy_way_.28Synaptic.29
[08:10] <kshahnjd> I'm using ubuntu-server, only command line
[08:10] <kshahnjd> did I already do this when I commented my cdrom repository?
[08:11] <kshahnjd> I remember I did not uncomment the backports line...
[08:11] <leonel> check if you have  lines like this in  /etc/apt/sources.list :
[08:12] <kshahnjd> leonel: yeah, we're talking about the same file, the only thing I've done to that file since install was comment the cdrom lines
[08:12] <leonel> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty universe
[08:12] <leonel> and 
[08:12] <leonel> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-security universe
[08:12] <leonel> 
[08:12] <leonel> in case you are using  Ubuntu Feisty
[08:13] <ScottK> In Feisty for new installs Universe was enabled by default, so it may not need to be added.
[08:13] <kshahnjd> i have those lines
[08:14] <kshahnjd> so just apt-get
[08:14] <leonel> yes
[08:17] <kshahnjd> leonel: so I installed postfix, squirrelmail and dovecot, but i have yet to specify a user or an admin
[08:17] <kshahnjd> is the root user of the system automatically assigned a mailbox?
[08:18] <Nafallo> I think uid 1000 gets roots mail by default
[08:18] <leonel> the  "admin" user is the user that  you created when  installed  ubuntu
[08:18] <kshahnjd> if I create new users on this box, will they too be given a mailbox? or is this like in windows where i have to specify new users independently of their relationship with the box
[08:19] <leonel> can be  anyway you want
[08:19] <leonel> the simplest  way is as you've done
[08:19] <leonel> and the users  are system users
[08:19] <leonel> I mean  you add users to  ubuntu  with  useradd or adduser 
[08:19] <leonel> and they will have a mailbox
[08:19] <kshahnjd> leonel: yeah, thats what i mean, users and system users doesn't seem to have a distinction in linux
[08:20] <kshahnjd> which i like btw :)
[08:20] <leonel> or you can have your  mail  users  appart from the system users 
[08:20] <kshahnjd> i see
[08:20] <leonel>  as you want to have the 
[08:20] <leonel> them
[08:20] <kshahnjd> how do i list all users? (logged on or not?)
[08:21] <kshahnjd> or can you point me to a man on user control?
[08:21] <leonel> but  just installing postfix   and dovecot  your system users will be  mail users
[08:21] <leonel> with    who   you can see  you logged users  in the system
[08:21] <leonel> not in the mail 
[08:22] <leonel> since the mail system  connects   checks mail  download and  logout  
[08:22] <leonel> you have to few users  logged at the same time
[08:23] <kshahnjd> got it, thx
[08:23] <leonel> you can do a :
[08:23] <leonel> sudo  tail -f /var/log/mail.log  
[08:23] <leonel> to see all the mail activity on your server
[08:25] <kshahnjd> i use to check my mail from the command line using pine
[08:26] <kshahnjd> and i know i can install it here easily, but i wanted to know what the default command line mail reader is
[08:26] <leonel> you can use  mutt or  mailx 
[08:26] <kshahnjd> neither are installed by default
[08:27] <leonel> sudo apt-get install mutt  mailx 
[08:27] <leonel> or you can  install elinks
[08:27] <kshahnjd> no, i understand that, but why is the system telling me 'you have new mail' if there is no reader
[08:27] <kshahnjd> oh, it just sees the file in the directory, and alerts me, it doesn't care whether or not there is a reader installed natively
[08:27] <leonel> a textbased   browser 
[08:27] <leonel> yes
[08:28] <leonel> with elinks  you can use  your squirrelmail to see your mails 
[08:32] <kshahnjd> if 'users' gives me the full list of people currently logged onto the system what gives me the list of all the accounts on the system?
[08:33] <lcdd> kshahnjd: 'getent passwd'
[08:34] <Creeture> Hey all. Looking for some recommendations on 32-bit PCI SATA RAID cards. I'm interested in RAID 1 + hotspare. 
[08:35] <kshahnjd> lcdd: worked, thaks
[08:35] <kshahnjd> 8thanks
[08:35] <Creeture> SATA 3Gbps preferably. Found the HighPoint RocketRaid 1810A that should work. Would like the card to do as much work as possible.
[08:54] <kshahnjd> I have a server which will be hosting example.com in the near future sitting next to a laptop physically connected to a router which is not directly connected to the internet, is it possible/how can I configure bind on the server so it claims it is example.com and so that my laptop believes its claim?
[08:55] <mralphabet> server runs BIND or dnsmasq, laptop refers to server as it's dns authority
[08:55] <Innatech> ^ what he said. 
[08:56] <mralphabet> laptop will believe anything the server tells it
[08:56] <Innatech> or just use a hosts file. 
[08:56] <mralphabet> server says "I am microsoft.com! mwahahahaha!"
[08:56] <mralphabet> laptop says "okay!"
[08:57] <kshahnjd> laptop's gateway is not the server, it's a router though, no difference? does the server 'announce' / broadcast?
[08:57] <mralphabet> gateway and dns are two different things, and there are seperate spots for it in the laptop IP configuration
[08:58] <kshahnjd> well in my hosts file on my windows laptop, i can just specify that 192.168.1.98 is example.com i think..
[08:58] <leonel> kshahnjd: if your nameserver in  /etc/resolv.conf  is the ip of your server wokrs
[09:00] <mralphabet> kshahnjd: yes, you can use your hosts file, which innatech referred to
[09:59] <kshahnjd> what is the difference between sites-available and sites-enabled?
[10:00] <kshahnjd> -- i want to properly specify servername and serveralias
[10:01] <Innatech> kshanjd: that's a better question for Apache people. 
[10:02] <Innatech> or, rather, a question better asked of Apache people. (As in, the dev community, not the tribe.)
[10:03] <kshahnjd> okay, i thought available/enabled was something native to the ubuntu config, but i guess not
[10:04] <mathiaz> kshahnjd: available/enabled is specific to debian/ubuntu.
[10:05] <mathiaz> kshahnjd: site-available lists configuration files specific for each apache module that is installed.
[10:05] <kshahnjd> k
[10:05] <mathiaz> kshahnjd: site-enabled is a directory listing the modules that should be loaded.
[10:05] <kshahnjd> so which should I modify?
[10:05] <mathiaz> kshahnjd: site-enabled should only contain symlinks to site-available.
[10:06] <mathiaz> kshahnjd: have a look at the command a2enmod, a2dismod
[10:06] <Innatech> hrrm...I hadn't realized it was ubuntu specific. Shows you how much I'm using other distros lately. 
[10:06] <kshahnjd> i used those commands before but now i don't remember for what
[10:07] <mathiaz> kshahnjd: which are used to enable/disable apache2 module.
[10:07] <kshahnjd> yeah, i see, so i can enable like gd or php5_mod, etc using them
[10:08] <kshahnjd> apache2ctl is like using /etc/init.d/apache2 but.. not exactly if i remember correctly
[10:15] <Creeture> kshahnjd: apache2ctl is shipped with apache2. /etc/init.d/apache2 is the Debian/Ubuntu init script wrapper that includes a lot of fixup for the platform. It calls apache2ctl to do the real work of starting/stopping apache2.
[10:16] <Creeture> As far as sites-enable/site-available is concerned, it's a simple concept. The "available" sites are available to be "enabled" into the config.
[10:16] <kshahnjd> i see, so init.d commands are just generally more comprehensive since they consider everything else that is connected to apache
[10:16] <kshahnjd> I see
[10:17] <kshahnjd>  so when re/starting apache2 from the command line in ubuntu I receive a warning "could not reliably determine the servers fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName".. but I have specified ServerName in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
[10:20] <Creeture> It tells you exactly the problem in that statement. Your /etc/hosts should contain a "127.0.0.1 localhost" line and also a "192.168.1.x myserver.example.com myserver" line
[10:21] <Creeture> And you can comment the ServerName line in your apache config. The only reason you'd need it there is if the ServerName is different than your hostname.
[10:21] <kshahnjd> oh wow... okay I see.. and is this /etc/hosts file historically the same exact thing as the windows /etc/hosts file?
[10:23] <kshahnjd> someone told me to disable the mod_uniqueid module to fix it and that did not sound right
[10:25] <kshahnjd> i'm still getting the error
[10:25] <kshahnjd> well, warning
[10:43] <ivoks> lots of traffice today :)
[10:45] <ScottK> Why?
[10:46] <ivoks> don't
[10:46] <ivoks> we'll help
[10:46] <Nafallo> cause bacula-director-pgsql is broken in LTS
[10:47] <Nafallo> not only the depends, but the damn postinst as well
[10:47] <ivoks> could be...
[10:47] <ivoks> i've worked only on mysql part :/
[10:48] <Nafallo> hmm
[10:48] <ivoks> or not :)
[10:48] <Nafallo> I guess that's a choice. either that or dist-upgrade some versions.
[10:49] <Nafallo> /var/lib/dpkg/info/bacula-director-pgsql.postinst: line 130: /var/lib/postgresql/.pgpass: No such file or directory
[10:49] <Nafallo> I guess pitti would know what've happened from 7.4 to 8.1 though.
[10:56] <Innatech> seems there's a lot that doesn't get any attention from SRU or backports. :( 
[10:57] <ScottK> Innatech: For backports, if there is stuff that's been requested and tested, but not approved, let me know and I'll attend to it.
[10:57] <Nafallo> DOOH!!!
[10:57] <Nafallo> echo "$PGSQL_HOST:*:*:$DB_ADMIN:$DB_ADMIN_PSWD" > $DB_ADMIN_AUTHFILE
[10:57] <Innatech> ScottK: will do. I think someone metioned PHP a week or so ago, but I didn't go check on it. 
[10:57] <Nafallo> like if postgresql even use an admin password?
[10:58] <ScottK> There is a php backport pending Innatech.  It wasn't clear to me what the rdepends implications were.
[10:59] <Innatech> ScottK: ah, very good. It didn't sound right to me that something like PHP wouldn't get attention--glad to hear that isn't the case (even if you don't use it! heh.) 
[10:59] <ScottK> There are only a very few people who can approve backports and I think I'm the only one that's particularly interested in server stuff.
[11:00] <ScottK> Innatech: If you want to look at the bug and research the rdepends and the potential impacts, please comment on the bug and then ping me.
[11:01] <Innatech> I didn't realize. I'm using LTS widely on my and client's servers. I'd be happy to look into the PHP thing, although I'll likely have to wait a few days. I'm dealing with a physical migration of a client for most of the week. 
[11:01] <Nafallo> stupid LTS... ;-)
[11:02] <Innatech> But LTS makes me happy! >sniff<
[11:02] <Nafallo> sounds like you haven't dealt with an uninstallable package most of your day then ;-9
[11:02] <Nafallo> ;-)
[11:02] <Innatech> Oh, I've run into some of that. 
[11:03] <Nafallo> sure. but the package would work in > 6.06 :-P
[11:03] <Innatech> Here's one of my favorites: 
[11:03] <Innatech> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quagga/+bug/48848
[11:04] <Innatech> No ospfd for you!
[11:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 48848 in quagga "[Dapper SRU]  Assertion failure in OSPF" [Medium,Confirmed]  
[11:04] <Nafallo> good thing I run 7.04 on my server then, except it can't boot itself :-)
[11:05] <kshahnjd> whats up with the #apache ppl hating on debian and ubuntu
[11:05] <kshahnjd> man
[11:05] <Innatech> Funny thing is that Quagga is fixed in newer verions, yet it's an SRU assignment. But, I'm sure wiser heads have their reasons. 
[11:06] <ScottK> Innatech: What do you mean?
[11:06] <ScottK> jdong was right to reject the backport.
[11:06] <Innatech> ScottK: yeah, I gather that he was I just don't fully understand why. 
[11:07] <ScottK> One of the rules that the Ubuntu Tech Board put on backports when they made it official was that we not backport for fixes that were SRU worthy.
[11:07] <ScottK> The reason is that -updates is enabled by default, while (for good reasons) -backports is not.
[11:08] <ScottK> If people could use the relatively easy backports process to bypass the SRU process, then fewer bug fix updates will get done.
[11:08] <Innatech> That makes good sense, but it doesn't seem that fixes that exist in backports are readily accepted by SRU. Or maybe SRU is just understaffed, I don't know. But I do keep running into problems that end in open SRU bugs. 
[11:08] <ScottK> The idea with LTS, particularly, is to keep it stable, so just dumping in new version X to fix a bug is not a good plan.
[11:08] <Innatech> Stable is good---stable bugs, less good. 
[11:09] <ScottK> Sure.
[11:09] <ScottK> Usually the roadblock for an SRU is testing.
[11:09] <Innatech> Not saying I could do any better--not only can I not code, but I'm not even that deft with packaging tools. 
[11:09] <ScottK> Yes, but if you  can test.
[11:09] <Innatech> Testing, yes, absolutely. 
[11:09] <ScottK> That's actually the hardest part.
[11:10] <Nafallo> ScottK: ...right ;-)
[11:10] <Innatech> It'd be nice to find a way to give back, indeed. 
[11:10] <Nafallo> depends on the problem :-)
[11:10] <Nafallo> gaah!
[11:10] <Nafallo> edgy uses dbcommon or what's it's name...
[11:10] <Nafallo> *sigh*
[11:10] <ScottK> if you enable dapper-proposed and see what updates are sitting there (don't install them all) you should find open SRU bugs saying what needs to be tested.
[11:11] <ivoks> Nafallo: i've setup bacula-mysql more than few times :/
[11:11] <ivoks> Nafallo: on dapper
[11:11] <Innatech> ScottK: excellent. I'll do it on my personal machine and see if I can help. 
[11:11] <ScottK> Great.
[11:11] <Nafallo> ivoks: I can't even remember when I last used mysql :-P
[11:12] <ivoks> i know you are trying with postgre, but... there's always mysql :)
[11:12] <Nafallo> ivoks: might as well let my boss pay for me fixing a dapper-proposed ;-)
[11:12] <ivoks> :)
[11:13] <ScottK> coNP: No MOTU for you until you get lighttpd fixed.
[11:13] <ScottK> ;-)
[11:13] <kshahnjd> i saw someone d/l a file from the command line and then use zxsf to decompress and extract
[11:13] <ivoks> for 6.06.2 we have to get support for newer e1000 and new 3ware sata raid controlers
[11:13] <coNP> ScottK: I was sure about that
[11:13] <kshahnjd> but i don't know what the command is for the d/l.. it isn't get, any ideas?
[11:13] <coNP> :D
[11:13] <Innatech> If you really want to get crazy you would run postgre in a VM, and pretend its on another host. Don't know how friendly that would be with Bacula, tho. 
[11:13] <Innatech> *could
[11:14] <ivoks> Innatech: friendly
[11:14] <ivoks> bacula is very flexibile
[11:15] <Nafallo> I wonder if I should backport this whole postinst :-)
[11:15] <Nafallo> might even work...
[11:15] <ivoks> you can have director on one, storage on second, sql on third and console on forth computer
[11:15] <Innatech> That is rather flexible. Neat. 
[11:16] <Nafallo> dbconfig-common isn't a high enough version
[11:16] <Nafallo> damnit!
[11:16] <ivoks> lighttpd
[11:16] <ivoks> it's not light httpd
[11:16] <ivoks> it lig httpd
[11:17] <Nafallo> no. light tpd :-)
[11:17] <ivoks> :)
[11:17] <Innatech> Ah, yes, of course. Named after the Ligurian coast. Everyone knows that. ;P 
[11:17] <coNP> sure, -ht
[11:18] <Nafallo> *sigh* good luck backporting dbconfig-common to a plain debconf :-P
[11:19] <Nafallo> I wonder if someone would hate me if I rewrite the whole fucking file
[11:24] <ScottK> Nafallo: SRU is supposed to be done with the least diff possible.
[11:24] <Nafallo> ScottK: I know
[11:25] <ScottK> OK.  I figured.  Just don't get more extravegant than needed...
[11:25] <Nafallo> you haven't seen this damn file ;-)
[11:26] <Nafallo> the damn postinst "patches" pg_hba.conf and restarts the sql-server :-P
[11:30] <Nafallo> WTF
[11:30] <Nafallo> syslog is empty...
[11:32] <kshahnjd> can someone help me understand the tar options.. i'm trying to extract something.tar.gz
[11:33] <kshahnjd> I was under the impression that: tar -zxsf something.tar.gz
[11:33] <kshahnjd> would do it
[11:33] <kshahnjd> cannot open, no such file or directory X a million errors
[11:33] <Nafallo> z = gunzip, x = extract, f = force, v = verbose
[11:33] <kshahnjd> didn't work
[11:34] <ivoks> remove -
[11:34] <kshahnjd> oh
[11:35] <kshahnjd> remove?
[11:35] <ivoks> tar xvf something.tar.gz
[11:35] <ivoks> z
[11:35] <ivoks> tar xvfz :)
[11:36] <ivoks> v is optional
[11:36] <Nafallo> i.e. what I wrote ;-)
[11:36] <ivoks> but f isn't force
[11:36] <ivoks> it's --file
[11:36] <kshahnjd> i think the problem is that it's not writing the directories
[11:36] <Nafallo> aha
[11:36] <kshahnjd> so it doesn't write the files
[11:36] <ivoks> and if you use -fxvz it wouldn't work
[11:37] <ivoks> kshahnjd: it does if directory is archived
[11:37] <ivoks> it doesn't if files are archived
[11:37] <kshahnjd> hmmm.. then id on't know what i'm doing
[11:37] <kshahnjd> tar xvzf something.tar.gz
[11:38] <kshahnjd> Cannot open no sch file or directory
[11:38] <kshahnjd> how can I get information about a file from the command line? like it's size, etc
[11:38] <coNP> kshahnjd: use ls
[11:38] <kshahnjd> if I want to check it's integrity
[11:38] <coNP> kshahnjd: use ls -l 
[11:38] <ivoks> this really isn't question for ubuntu-server
[11:38] <ivoks> :)
[11:38] <coNP> sorry :(
[11:39] <kshahnjd> yeah, but it is the only place where i can talk to people who regularly use the command line in ubuntu server
[11:39] <Nafallo> kshahnjd: is that so?
[11:39] <kshahnjd> well, afaik
[11:40] <kshahnjd> i'm new to linux so, and usually never go on irc, but have for the past week since i've started
[11:40] <Nafallo> I would be surprised if people on #ubuntu didn't use /bin/bash
[11:40] <ivoks> don't get us wrong, but this channel is for development and support for ubuntu-server related... we don't want it to become yet another #ubuntu - multipurpose support channel
[11:40] <kshahnjd> they do, i've asked there too, you're right, i'll move my venue :)
[11:41] <Nafallo> this channel is a bit of everything as it is already ;-)
[11:41] <ivoks> kshahnjd: or visit your local community channel
[11:41] <kshahnjd> it's been quite helpful :)
[11:43] <ScottK> Not "giving up", "stopping work for now".
[11:43] <ivoks> you guys do realize that 6.06 lacks support for some very common server hardware?
[11:43] <ivoks> like new intel gigabit ethernet?
[11:43] <ivoks> new 3ware controlers
[11:43] <ivoks> and adding support for it is POC
[11:44] <ivoks> we should push some requests to kernel team
[11:44] <ivoks> we already have patches for some stuff
[11:45] <Nafallo> and they apply on dapper-git?
[11:45] <ivoks> ok... i have a feeling i'm alone with this problems :)
[11:45] <ivoks> yes
[11:45] <ivoks> and i use them daily
[11:46] <Nafallo> well, give them the URLs on the mailing list and see what they say then :-)
[11:46] <ivoks> i already did, but looks like i need backup :)
[11:46] <Nafallo> aha :-P
[11:47] <ivoks> today i've installed server, cdrom, raid controler and ethernet card weren't working
[11:47] <Nafallo> \o/
[11:48] <ivoks> until 8.04, intel will release couple of MB which will be useless with dapper (some of them already are) for newcomers
[11:49] <ivoks> everything new with ICH8/ICH9, e1000, non-funcional on dapper
[11:49] <Nafallo> 8.04 isn't that far away though
[11:50] <ivoks> true, but not everybody have luxury of upgrade downtime
[11:50] <ivoks> some will stay on 6.06 untill EOL
[11:50] <Nafallo> hmm
[11:50] <ivoks> and on every new kernel, recompile of drivers is needed
[11:51] <Nafallo> but those people won't reboot for new kernels either?
[11:51] <ivoks> they will, one thing is kernel upgrade, something else is test-case of complete new distribution
[11:51] <ivoks> and upgrade process
[11:52] <Nafallo> right
[11:52] <Nafallo> ehrm
[11:52] <Nafallo> PGCMD="su -s /bin/sh $DB_ADMIN -c"
[11:52] <Nafallo> that should not work in Ubuntu, should it?
[11:53] <ivoks> bash instead of sh, just to be sure :)
[11:53] <Nafallo> sudo instead of su?
[11:53] <ivoks> lol, yeah, and that too :)
[11:54] <Nafallo> hmm. dpkg is root, so should work to use su to change to postgres I guess.
[11:54] <ivoks> right
[11:55] <Nafallo> *sigh* I should now by now this isn't low hanging fruit :-P
[11:55] <ivoks> low hanging fruit is a myth
[11:56] <ScottK> The low hanging fruit got fixed before release.
[11:56] <Nafallo> ehrm
[11:56] <ScottK> The fun stuff is left.
[11:56] <Nafallo> nafallo@remembrance:~$ getent passwd postgres | cut -d ':' -f 6
[11:56] <Nafallo> /var/lib/postgresql
[11:56] <Nafallo> nafallo@remembrance:~$ ls /var/lib/postgresql
[11:56] <Nafallo> ls: /var/lib/postgresql: No such file or directory
[11:57] <Nafallo> joy...
[11:57] <ivoks> very nice :D
[11:59] <nealmcb> getent - cute!  new tricks for an old hacker :-)
[12:00] <Nafallo> god damn it.
[12:00] <Nafallo> something must have created that directory at some point...
[12:00] <Innatech> ivoks: not sure which Intel gigabit you're having trouble with. I'm using dual port PCI-E server cards w/ e1000. 
[12:00] <Nafallo> most likely postgres
[12:01] <ivoks> Innatech: 82566DC for example
[12:02] <ivoks> Innatech: 82541PI also
[12:02] <Innatech> hmm...let me see what I'm using....
[12:03] <ivoks> 3ware 9650SE is also PIA...
[12:03] <Innatech> I did have to do that sysfs trick thing to get them recognized, but that was likely because they're OEM.....
[12:03] <ivoks> update-pciids
[12:07] <Innatech> The controllers in my dapper router are Intel 82573L and 82571GB .