[12:26] <twiggz> better ways to spend 300 bucks than give a kid a phone thats built so cheaply that itll break the first time its dropped.
[12:26] <twiggz> they have really sturdy nextel phones
[12:27] <twiggz> ive seen and messed around with those
[12:27] <twiggz> those are decent, but still overpriced.
[12:27] <twiggz> all of the other ones...shit they feel like your gonna break them just by opening them up
[12:27] <wbadger> what do you think is more important ?
[12:28] <twiggz> i think its more important for parents to keep an eye on their children themselves rather than think OH ITS OK, LET EM RUNN AROUND ALL NIGHT EVEN THOUGH HES 10! HES GOT A CELLPHONE!
[12:28] <twiggz> cellphone to the rescue!
[12:28] <twiggz> thats a bunch of bs.
[12:28] <totalwormage> :D
[12:28] <BFTD> !offtopic
[12:28] <ubotu> #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[12:28] <BFTD> move to offtopic please
[12:28] <totalwormage> argh
[12:29] <totalwormage> silly buggers
[12:30] <twiggz> ok lets just sit here in silence to not piss the rule harping fascists off.
[12:30] <wbadger> :P you could join #xubuntu-offtopic :P
[12:31] <twiggz> yea, and i could join a thousand others too...
[12:31] <twiggz> ill just part this one.
[12:31] <twiggz> thanks for the advice.
[01:17] <System79> Bah can someone send a mail to rick@phrozen-systems.ath.cx i want to see if my mail server works :$
[01:34] <kalikiana> System79, Mail yourself, register somewhere with that address. No big deal.
[01:34] <System79> kalikiana: Already  did that >.>
[01:35] <kalikiana> System79, So don't keep us busy people from important work. :P
[01:35] <System79> Like im not busy ;)
[01:35] <System79> Ive been here all day yesterday helping people so dont complain =P
[01:36] <System79> be right back
[01:36] <kalikiana> System79, I'll keep complaining because you weren't here offering support all the other days. :|
[01:40] <Jester45> true
[01:40] <System79> u sent me a mail jester?
[01:40] <Jester45> kalikiana, can i bother you?
[01:40] <Jester45> nope
[01:40] <System79> mmk
[01:40] <Jester45> still cant send
[01:40] <System79> i thought someone did :p
[01:40] <kalikiana> Jester45, Sure
[01:40] <Jester45> yea :) im in the club
[01:42] <System79> ;D
[01:43] <Jester45> still workin on the email
[01:44] <kalikiana> Jester45, Do you also have a mail server issue or what?
[01:44] <Jester45> no
[01:44] <Jester45> a "i havent used email in a year and have to fix a smtp problem"
[01:46] <System79> I could hook you up with an adress at my server but i dont think u want that ;)
[01:46] <Jester45> i sent it
[01:46] <System79> asdf? :p
[01:46] <Jester45> i have 2 one good one and one free one
[01:46] <Jester45> yea
[01:46] <System79> mmk
[01:46] <Jester45> and my good one doesnt send
[01:47] <System79> i love my 100gb mailbox now
[01:47] <System79> :)
[01:47] <Jester45> i get a 550
[01:47] <Jester45> but for no reason
[01:48] <Jester45> * error occurred on SMTP session
[01:48] <Jester45> *** Error occurred while sending the message:
[01:48] <Jester45> 550 This user account is not authorized to send messages with the address .
[01:48] <System79> Whoopie
[01:48] <Jester45> System79, what servers are you using
[01:48] <kalikiana> I'd think of a) illegal from address, b) reuqired smtpauth
[01:48] <System79> U didnt enter a password or your account is deleted
[01:49] <Jester45> well
[01:49] <Jester45> i can get mail
[01:49] <System79> Jester45: Im using postfix amavisd and courier imap/pop3
[01:49] <System79> :p
[01:49] <Jester45> just not send
[01:49] <System79> then their mail server isnt configured right
[01:49] <System79> >:)
[01:49] <Jester45> well its nerdshack.com but they changed to lavabit.com
[01:50] <Jester45> but they said the old names will be supported still
[01:50] <kalikiana> Jester45, Depending on your mail client, you might need to enable smtpauth
[01:50] <Jester45> the test working account is a lavabit one
[01:50] <Jester45> i will try that
[01:50] <System79> How do i add new users again
[01:50] <System79> >.>
[01:50] <Jester45> adduser
[01:51] <System79> syntax?
[01:51] <kalikiana> man adduser :P
[01:51] <Jester45> adduser user group
[01:51] <System79> no password? :$
[01:51] <kalikiana> There is passwd.
[01:51] <Jester45> fine dont listen to me
[01:52] <Jester45> kalikiana, for send i have user ssl for SMTP
[01:52] <Jester45> there is user STARTTLS command to start SSL session and dont use ssl but if necessary use starttls
[01:53] <Jester45> and i have use non-blocking ssl checked
[01:53] <kalikiana> Jester45, ssl might be the problem, e.g. my  smtp makes problems with ssl
[01:53] <Jester45> everyone has smtp
[01:54] <kalikiana> Sure, that's why I said "ssl" can make problems.
[01:54] <Jester45> im using sylpheed-clawsgtk2
[01:56] <Jester45> ummm
[01:56] <System79> errr
[01:56] <System79> ;x
[01:56] <Jester45> i think i broke sylpheed
[01:56] <System79> Jester45 read pm :P
[01:57] <Jester45> i did
[01:57] <System79> Want it?
[01:57] <System79> >..>
[01:57] <Jester45> no not really
[01:57] <System79> K
[03:32] <curiogeo> I have a desktop running xubuntu and I want to move the working copy of hda to the new server box
[03:32] <curiogeo> will this work
[03:33] <Jester45> possibly
[03:33] <Jester45> but i think it would be best to just install on the box
[03:33] <curiogeo> what do I have to concern myself with
[03:34] <curiogeo> then I would have to reinstall SAMBA and the whole small office enviro
[03:34] <curiogeo> I want to transplant my DC to a new box like I would in windows
[03:34] <curiogeo> throw it in and look for new drivers
[03:34] <Jester45> are you going to be making its a command line only server?
[03:34] <curiogeo> if necessary
[03:34] <curiogeo> it is now
[03:34] <Jester45> no new drivers are needed
[03:35] <curiogeo> what about networkk cards
[03:35] <curiogeo> will they auto detect
[03:35] <Jester45> should
[03:36] <Jester45> you might have a problem with the gui config
[03:36] <curiogeo> so if I want to run the xub desktop you think there may be a problem
[03:37] <Jester45> might be but it would take a minute to fix
[03:37] <curiogeo> ok so it is pretty low maintenance
[03:37] <Jester45> what might be better is to make a fresh install and copy the configs for samba
[03:38] <curiogeo> but then the sid is going to be all messed up isn't it
[03:40] <curiogeo> dose the SAMBA security ID config move to the new server easily
[03:41] <Jester45> umm
[03:41] <Jester45> not sure
[03:41] <Jester45> but it should be easier than coping the harddrive
[03:42] <Jester45> i try not to use window stuff as it is not very good
[03:43] <curiogeo> you mean windows OS in general or SAMBA
[03:43] <Jester45> samba uses windows file share protocol so it has windows in it
[03:45] <curiogeo> granted
[03:46] <curiogeo> It is the only way I can pracice domain control in my primarily windows environment
[03:46] <curiogeo> Have you tried any other way?
[03:46] <guest68765468732> What does it mean if Xubuntu locks up at "Mounting file systems"
[03:46] <guest68765468732> ?
[03:46] <cellofellow> sounds bad
[03:47] <guest68765468732> Really?
[03:47] <Pumpernickel> Is that during install, or on an installed system?
[03:47] <cellofellow> I'd turn off quiet and splash at the bootloader and get the goods.
[03:47] <guest68765468732> During install
[03:47] <cellofellow> oh, ok
[03:47] <Pumpernickel> bug 107259
[03:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259
[03:47] <cellofellow> I was assuming on an installed system.
[03:47] <Jester45> well me i just use linux so nope.
[03:47] <guest68765468732> Installing 6.06.1
[03:47] <guest68765468732> ?
[03:48] <cellofellow> curiogeo: Samba can be a Windows Domain Controller.
[03:48] <curiogeo> I use it for that now I was just wondering if there were alternatives
[03:49] <curiogeo> using a linux backend and a bunch of windows clients?
[03:49] <cellofellow> That's been used a lot.
[03:49] <guest68765468732> Booting off the live CD.. It locks up at "Mounting root file systems"
[03:49] <curiogeo> Is there some kind of domain control
[03:50] <cellofellow> Samba can completely replace Windows NT networking stuff.
[03:50] <Jester45> bug 107259
[03:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259
[03:50] <Jester45> guest68765468732, thats your bug
[03:51] <guest68765468732> The desktop cd wont boot though.
[03:51] <cellofellow> I think guest68765468732 is saying it freezes at boot. Good thing he's using Dapper and it tells him stuff.
[03:51] <cellofellow> guest68765468732: try alt.
[03:51] <curiogeo> I can stick with samba - does anyone know of a tut that shows you how to migrate Samba to a new box
[03:51] <cellofellow> or wubi, heard good stuff about that.
[03:51] <guest68765468732> K.
[03:52] <cellofellow> curiogeo: just copy files, and try to mimic samba confs I guess.
[03:52] <Jester45> after a wubi install filesystem preformace dropes
[03:52] <cellofellow> not sure what you are up to
[03:52] <cellofellow> true
[03:52] <cellofellow> but wubi is good for newbs.
[03:53] <Jester45> so is alt cd
[03:53] <cellofellow> so is livcd.
[03:53] <Jester45> :) at least i think its simple, live cd isnt easy when you have a bug
[03:54] <cellofellow> guest68765468732: try alt cd. It's really really stable, being based off of the Debian installer.
[03:54] <guest68765468732> I meant alt. >.<
[03:54] <cellofellow> the alt cd is freezing on boot?
[03:55] <guest68765468732> Im afarid so.
[03:56] <cellofellow> >.<
[03:56] <guest68765468732> I'm on a eMachines T2042.
[03:56] <cellofellow> never had that happen.
[03:56] <guest68765468732> 128 meg ram.
[03:59] <cellofellow> do other Linux systems boot? Knoppix? DSL?
[03:59] <guest68765468732> Puppy Linux booted.
[04:02] <guest68765468732> So, Xubuntu not the way to go?
[04:03] <guest68765468732> or perhaps a cd defect?
[04:03] <cellofellow> it may be
[04:03] <guest68765468732> Ill trying burning another.
[04:03] <cellofellow> does the CD check thing work>
[04:03] <cellofellow> ?
[04:03] <guest68765468732> it locks up at the same place.
[04:03] <cellofellow> try another CD, or try the same CD on another box.
[04:04] <guest68765468732> k.
[04:04] <guest68765468732> ill burn another.
[04:12] <[PM] Hate> hello
[04:12] <[PM] Hate> anyone willing to help me?
[04:12] <zials> o.o if I'm able to
[04:12] <[PM] Hate> im not sure whats causing it
[04:12] <[PM] Hate> i have a cd-rw of xubuntu alternative (because the pc has 64mb of ram)
[04:13] <[PM] Hate> gets to the installation (low memory mode, should be anyhow) and gets to like the very last steps
[04:13] <[PM] Hate> of installing packages and configuring them
[04:13] <[PM] Hate> and it says it cant find 2 of them
[04:13] <[PM] Hate> like aptitude
[04:13] <[PM] Hate> and another
[04:14] <[PM] Hate> something along the lines of "cant find"
[04:15] <zials> mhmm, did you check the cd for any defects?
[04:15] <[PM] Hate> i suppose I should
[04:15] <[PM] Hate> how long are u going to be on?
[04:16] <zials> not too long, but I'm pretty sure someone else would be here
[04:16] <[PM] Hate> lol :(
[04:17] <[PM] Hate> well, ill give it my best and maybe burn it on a cd-r w/ another downloaded package
[04:17] <[PM] Hate> so later
[04:17] <[PM] Hate> thanks
[04:20] <guest68765468732> its working.
[04:20] <guest68765468732> =D
[04:21] <zials> o.o
[04:22] <guest68765468732> n.n
[04:35] <kalikiana_> ^(.-.)^ ~('-')~
[04:40] <curiogeo> so I made the change to my new server box and the server is running I have changed one ethernet card working but the other is seeminingly not listening
[04:40] <curiogeo> how can I remove and reinstall an eth card
[04:40] <cellofellow> lspci to get you started
[04:41] <curiogeo> is this a mount and unmount kind of thing
[04:41] <cellofellow> nope
[04:41] <kalikiana_> curiogeo, lspci is "list pci"
[04:41] <cellofellow> normally the kernel just takes care of it at boot time.
[04:43] <curiogeo> ok so if it is in lspci then what do I do remove it and restart the box then reinstall it again
[04:43] <curiogeo> that is the windows way
[04:44] <cellofellow> lspci will give you info on the card, and then you can find out more online or something.
[04:44] <curiogeo> ok I will take a look around
[04:45] <curiogeo> interesting thing is that the 2 controllers are identical
[04:45] <curiogeo> one seems to be working fine the other is not
[04:45] <curiogeo> picking up dhcp address
[04:46] <cellofellow> do they have ethN scripts?
[04:46] <cellofellow> I forget where they live in newer kernels, used to be /dev
[04:47] <curiogeo> If there was a previous one does it need to be erased and allowed to recreate itself
[04:47] <cellofellow> maybe
[04:47] <cellofellow> !eth
[04:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eth - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:47] <cellofellow> !eth0
[04:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eth0 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:48] <cellofellow> !ethernet
[04:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ethernet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:49] <curiogeo> ubot is stumped
[04:51] <cellofellow> no, ubotu-er is stumped.
[04:51] <curiogeo> should lspci tell me the ethx that is associated to the device
[04:52] <cellofellow> dunno
[04:52] <cellofellow> mine doesn't
[04:53] <cellofellow> curiogeo: install bwm-ng and run it. It knows what all the ethernet cards are doing.
[04:54] <cellofellow> simple terminal network monitor
[04:54] <cellofellow> powerful though
[04:55] <curiogeo> any other name for that package
[04:55] <curiogeo> apt did not find it
[04:55] <cellofellow> you have universe enabled?
[04:55] <curiogeo> spelling goof
[04:57] <cellofellow> fyi: tab completion works with apt.
[04:58] <cellofellow> Just type sudo aptitude install somepackage<tab> and it will complete it.
[04:58] <cellofellow> double-tab for a list.
[04:58] <curiogeo> good tip
[04:59] <Jester45> fyi: trying tab on all your common programs can help alot and take only a split second to test if it works
[05:01] <curiogeo> oh well not sure why but my OS just will not see the second interface
[05:01] <Jester45> well
[05:01] <Jester45> bye bye everyone i know you will miss me but i will be back in a few hours
[05:01] <cellofellow> cya jester
[05:02] <cellofellow> curiogeo: both cards do show in lspci?
[05:04] <curiogeo> yes they do
[05:05] <cellofellow> hmm
[05:05] <curiogeo> your telling me
[05:06] <cellofellow> I never figured out how the ethernet stuff works.
[05:06] <curiogeo> I am really baffled
[05:07] <cellofellow> try adding "auto eth1\niface eth1 inet dhcp"
[05:07] <cellofellow> that \n is a newline
[05:07] <cellofellow> to /etc/network/interfaces
[05:07] <cellofellow> then sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[05:08] <cellofellow> http://www.linuxforums.org/network/ask_dr._unx_2.html
[05:15] <curiogeo> I did that process of adding a new int to interfaces
[05:15] <curiogeo> no changes
[05:15] <guest68765468732> New problem for me.
[05:16] <curiogeo> I am going to try adding a third interface
[05:16] <guest68765468732> When the alt cd goes to the Desktop, all it loads is a white screen with a mouse.
[05:16] <guest68765468732> and after a while, it locks up.
[05:20] <guest68765468732> Help??
[05:21] <curiogeo> cellofellow: got it by adding the iface as eth2 into the interfaces file
[05:21] <curiogeo> pretty peculiar it wouldn't addit on its own though
[05:34] <cellofellow> guest68765468732: alt cd has no desktop
[05:35] <cellofellow> alt cd is command-line installation
[05:35] <guest68765468732> Hu?
[05:36] <cellofellow> The Alternative CD installs a desktop OS using a command line installer. No desktop from the CD, only from hard drive.
[05:36] <guest68765468732> Ah.
[05:37] <cellofellow> so, if you are getting a desktop from the CD, you have the Live or Desktop (same thing) CD.
[05:37] <guest68765468732> Argh.
[06:39] <Redimere> hey all
[07:02] <Redimere> Can somebody help me with ATI drivers?
[07:26] <Redimere> Is anybody alive? I've got a serious issue
[08:06] <jeff_> anyone know how to take a screenshot with xfce?
[09:36] <zyth> So ah... Ubuntu supports my WPA network by default...but in xubuntu, not?
[09:36] <zyth> did I just miss something?
[10:00] <jeff_> how do i take a ss in xubuntu?
[10:27] <echosystm> guys
[10:27] <echosystm> ive got xfce4 installed
[10:27] <echosystm> how do i enable automounting?
[11:29] <magic_ninja> whats up guys
[01:54] <k^^> I trying to reinstall xubuntu 7.04 on my laptop but I get a "Failed to create a file system" error
[01:54] <k^^> what to do?
[01:55] <m0u5e> anyone know a good program for audio editting and recording
[01:55] <k^^> I installed the beta with no problems
[01:58] <wbadger> m0u5e, how about audacity
[01:58] <wbadger> k^^, try unmounting the partition just after you start the operation
[01:59] <wbadger> k^^, I know that helped me install 7.04.. I think it's a bug in the install disk
[02:00] <Pumpernickel> bug 107259
[02:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259
[02:01] <k^^> great
[02:01] <k^^> I'll have another go
[02:02] <wbadger> good luck
[02:02] <k^^> thanks :)
[02:05] <k^^> yay I worked
[02:05] <wbadger> :)
[02:05] <k^^> *it worked
[02:05] <k^^> thanks guys
[02:23] <Po1> Hello hello
[02:23] <Po1> Whoops
[02:23] <po1> nickname is wrong. :)
[02:24] <mrpok> Better.
[02:24] <mrpok> Well, I got xubuntu going!
[02:25] <mrpok> (Im new to linux)
[02:26] <wbadger> nice job
[02:26] <mrpok> Mind if I ask a few questions?
[02:26] <wbadger> this is the support channel :P
[02:27] <mrpok> Awesome. :)
[02:28] <mrpok> I not sure if m,y keyboard is set up right. Occasionally Il try to type m, and it will give a system speaker beep, or put a comma before or after the ,m
[02:28] <mrpok> Thusly. :)
[02:28] <mrpok> So where do I go to select ,my keyboard type? I couldnt see it in languages,.
[02:28] <wbadger> I never heard of something like that before..
[02:29] <mrpok> It may just be the keyboard, then.
[02:29] <wbadger> I believe you can enter XFCE Menu -> Settings -> Keyboard Settings
[02:29] <wbadger> Then enter the last tab
[02:29] <mrpok> OK, where is the XFCE menu?
[02:29] <wbadger> You can choose your keyboard type there, although I'm not sure it will help
[02:30] <mrpok> Oh, applications... m,y bad. :)
[02:30] <mrpok> I should have been able to figure that one out... *facepalm,*
[02:30] <wbadger> I deleted the caption so I just call it the XFCE menu :)
[02:32] <mrpok> Will I be able to plug and play my iMac USB keyboard?
[02:32] <wbadger> I never tried, but there's one way to find out :)
[02:33] <mrpok> OKieday
[02:33] <mrpok> mmmmmmmm
[02:33] <mrpok> woot, no worries. Time to clean the old keyboard, I guess. :)
[02:33] <wbadger> :] 
[02:34] <mrpok> Thanks mate
[02:34] <mrpok> Now, next question is a bit more involved
[02:34] <mrpok> I chose xubuntu over ubuntu because Im running a PIII with 256MB RAM.
[02:35] <wbadger> I chose it because it looks better and doesn't take as much memory as kubuntu ^^
[02:36] <mrpok> From what I have gathered, since Im not using GNOME or KDE, the applications designed for ubuntu or kubuntu wont work, correct?
[02:37] <pleia2> mrpok: they should work fine
[02:37] <wbadger> no that's not correct... ubuntu and kubuntu and xubuntu share application repositories, and every application in the repositories should work with every one of those
[02:37] <pleia2> mrpok: the exception might be some of the applets that sit in the KDE/Gnome docks
[02:37] <mrpok> Alright, thanks.
[02:38] <mrpok> Well, I stuffed up trying to install GnomeBaker, then.
[02:39] <wbadger> how did you try it?
[02:40] <mrpok> XFCE -> System -> Synaptic Package Manager
[02:40] <mrpok> Searched for it, marked the box to install, then hit apply.
[02:41] <wbadger> ok then what seems to be the problem
[02:41] <wbadger> ?
[02:41] <mrpok> When I opened it, it gave me a string of error messages about things that werent installed.
[02:42] <mrpok> I cant remember exactly what they were called, want me to d/l again and let you know?
[02:42] <wbadger> do you mean that you installed it and afterwards, trying to run it you got error messages?
[02:42] <mrpok> Yes
[02:42] <wbadger> or when you tried to install you got those messages?
[02:43] <wbadger> did you remove the package?
[02:43] <mrpok> Yeah
[02:43] <mrpok> with Synaptics again
[02:43] <wbadger> ok... lets try it again. usually if a package needs other packages to be installed (called dependencies), it finds them automatically and asks you to install them
[02:45] <mrpok> The synaptic summary says 47 packages will be held back and not upgraded, 1 package will be installed
[02:45] <mrpok> Is that normal?
[02:45] <mrpok> *1 new package
[02:46] <wbadger> I don't know why would it hold back these packages, sorry
[02:46] <wbadger> I really have to go now, hopefully someone else here will be able to help
[02:46] <mrpok> OK, no worries, thanks for your help so far.
[02:46] <wbadger> :) goodbye
[02:46] <mrpok> I appreciate you putting up with my ignorance. :)
[02:50] <mrpok> Hrm, well GnomeBaker started up this time
[02:50] <mrpok> *shrug*
[02:54] <echosystm> xfce seems to not pickup my internet keyboard shortcuts
[02:55] <echosystm> is this normal?
[02:55] <echosystm> i think i'm going to die
[02:55] <mrpok> Im having keyboard problems too
[02:55] <mrpok> the  only works on every second press. Bizzare.
[02:56] <echosystm> that is rather bizzare.
[02:59] <mrpok> I have a single button mouse too, and I dont know how to right click. :)
[02:59] <echosystm> lol
[02:59] <mrpok> Web says F11 or F12 should work, but it doesnt seem to.
[03:11] <Huh1> hey there.
[03:11] <Huh1> Are there any things I have to keep in mind when installing xubuntu to a laptop?
[03:11] <Huh1> like things that will be different from installing normal ubuntu to a normal box
[03:16] <echosystm> no
[03:16] <echosystm> everything should be setup normally
[03:16] <echosystm> the only difference is the power management
[03:17] <Huh1> ok
[03:17] <Huh1> but the power management is difficult to handle?
[03:22] <echosystm> no, it should be automatically installed
[03:23] <echosystm> :)
[03:23] <zyth> So ah... Ubuntu supports my WPA network by default...but in xubuntu, not?  The Network applet thing only had WEP as an option
[05:13] <echosystm> join #alsa
[05:13] <echosystm> oops
[06:30] <PMedau> Hello
[06:31] <PMedau> How I can disable fsck on boot?
[07:32] <tuomopr> Hello, ... Howto update my xubuntu's xfce4 to 4.1.1 without re-installing everything? Maybe change some software sources?, ..
[07:33] <tuomopr> currently i have : version 4.3.90.2 (Xfce 4.4 BETA1)
[07:34] <tuomopr> hmm.. maybe this is stupid question :) ... Can i just get a .DEB package from xfce4's mainsite and install it? I'm afraid i can break something.
[07:44] <steve___> tuomopr:  what's in the 7.10 repos?
[07:45] <steve___> tuomopr: why do you want to upgrade?
[07:45] <tuomopr> steve, sorry, i dont understand your question? .. do you mean what do i have in my sources.list?
[07:45] <tuomopr> (i'm not very professional with this :) )
[07:45] <steve___> s'all good
[07:46] <steve___> why do you want to update those packages?
[07:46] <tuomopr> i want to try the compositor effects in new xfce4 :)
[07:48] <steve___> doesn't 4.4 come with 7.04?
[07:48] <tuomopr> about says: version 4.3.90.2 (Xfce 4.4 BETA1)
[07:49] <tuomopr> and this is not the newest... xubuntu 7.10 has newer.
[07:49] <tuomopr> i could update completely to that also if i knew what i have to do
[07:49] <tuomopr> without re-installing everything....
[07:50] <steve___> what version of xubuntu are you running?
[07:51] <tuomopr> hmm... where could i check it? Originally, i installed ubuntu. Then removed ubuntu-desktop, and replaced it with xubuntu-desktop.
[07:52] <tuomopr> hmm.. Xfce 4.2 according to help file. (checking the xubuntu version)
[07:52] <tuomopr> Ubuntu 6.06.1 says terminal login.
[07:53] <tuomopr> Maybe i should just copy everything important to different harddisk and re-install
[07:53] <tuomopr> =
[07:53] <tuomopr> ?
[07:53] <OwdGitRon> tuomopr: Applications>About Xfce
[07:54] <tuomopr> OwdGitRon, it only talks about xfce4 ?
[07:54] <tuomopr> "Xfce 4 Desktop Environment \n version 4.3.90.2 (Xfce 4.4 BETA1)"
[07:54] <steve___> tuomopr: do not reinstall - with linux that isn't the default action
[07:56] <tuomopr> steve :)
[07:56] <tuomopr> ok, ... sometimes it just feels easiest :)
[07:56] <steve___> tuomopr: i suggest upgrading to 6.10 and then upgrade to 7.04
[07:56] <tuomopr> steve, so... how do i do that?
[07:56] <steve___> yeah but you aren't learning anything
[07:57] <tuomopr> steve, i will try without re-installing. Actually thats what i prefer ... Would be terrible job to copy everything important.
[07:58] <tuomopr> steve, something like this ? gksu "update-manager -c -d"
[07:58] <steve___> in /etc/apt/source.list replace all instances of 'dapper' with 'edgy' and save the file.  From a terminal type "sudo apt-get update" and then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[07:58] <tuomopr> ok steve, i'm trying right now.
[07:59] <steve___> make sure you have a solid net connection and some time to kill  :)
[07:59] <steve___> after you get it upgraded then you'll have to do it again.  This time change all instances of 'edgy' to 'feisty'.
[07:59] <tuomopr> i do, and this is not my only computer (=i can get help if something goes wrong)
[08:00] <tuomopr> thanks.
[08:00] <tuomopr> ok,
[08:02] <steve___> ask google and if you're still confused, ask here
[08:03] <tuomopr> Ok, thanks steve
[08:04] <steve___> just make sure once you're a wizard you come back here and help out others  :)
[08:05] <tuomopr> Will be my pleasure :)
[08:22] <khatuido> hello wbadger
[08:23] <khatuido> i try install java with ur link on my firefox32 but it doesn't work, can u help me?
[08:23] <wbadger> khatuido, hi I'm back now
[08:24] <wbadger> what is the problem?
[08:24] <khatuido> i want install java
[08:24] <khatuido> on my firefox32
[08:24] <wbadger> yeah?
[08:24] <khatuido> the flash plugin works but not the java one
[08:24] <khatuido> i do like the explain in the link u give me
[08:24] <wbadger> didf you install java on your computer?
[08:25] <khatuido> i guess
[08:25] <khatuido> how i can check?
[08:25] <khatuido> i install one java thing too
[08:25] <khatuido> the java 1.4.2
[08:25] <wbadger> did you download a file from the java website?
[08:25] <khatuido> yes
[08:26] <wbadger> where did you install it?
[08:26] <wbadger> and what version?
[08:26] <khatuido> i do like this one :
[08:26] <khatuido> http://allostalk.com/showthread.php?s=3ddbb81fc8eea4b341a8df240c9622b2&t=202537
[08:27] <khatuido> download the linux self extracting file
[08:27] <khatuido> java 6
[08:27] <wbadger> and you downloaded the 32 bit one right?
[08:27] <khatuido> yes
[08:27] <wbadger> the second option
[08:27] <khatuido> for my firefox32
[08:27] <wbadger> ok then
[08:27] <khatuido> yes
[08:27] <wbadger> did you extract it?
[08:28] <khatuido> yes
[08:28] <wbadger> in the folder /usr/local/java32?
[08:28] <khatuido> yes
[08:28] <khatuido> like they explain
[08:28] <wbadger> show me please the content of the directory /usr/local/firefox32/plugins
[08:28] <khatuido> cp -r -p ./jre1.6.0_02/* /usr/local/java32
[08:29] <wbadger> khatuido, "ls /usr/local/firefox32/plugins"
[08:29] <khatuido> flashplayer.xpt  libflashplayer.so  libnpp.so  libnullplugin.so
[08:30] <khatuido> i don't go the java thing i copy in /usr/local/java32
[08:30] <khatuido> i need copy in plugin?
[08:30] <wbadger> you see you missed the last step
[08:30] <wbadger> do not copy the plugin
[08:31] <khatuido> ?
[08:31] <wbadger> you must create a link to it instead. do this command: "ln -s /usr/local/java32/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/local/firefox32/plugins/"
[08:31] <wbadger> actually you need permission
[08:31] <wbadger> so:  "sudo ln -s /usr/local/java32/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/local/firefox32/plugins/"
[08:33] <wbadger> ok?
[08:33] <khatuido> good :)
[08:33] <khatuido> it work
[08:33] <khatuido> thanks you :)
[08:34] <wbadger> :)
[08:34] <khatuido> u a king of installing :D
[08:35] <wbadger> that was nothing
[08:36] <khatuido> thanks u :)
[08:37] <wbadger> np :>
[08:37] <khatuido> oh
[08:37] <khatuido> i try install a software yersterday
[08:37] <khatuido> xvidcap
[08:37] <khatuido> u know it?
[08:37] <wbadger> it is a program for capturing the screen right?
[08:38] <khatuido> yes
[08:38] <khatuido> i want a video screen capture
[08:38] <khatuido> for my game
[08:38] <khatuido> but don't success install it
[08:38] <khatuido> i choose the "Platform-independent"
[08:38] <khatuido> so normaly on amd64 it must work no?
[08:38] <wbadger> wait, you tried to download it from a site?
[08:39] <khatuido> yes
[08:39] <khatuido> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=81535
[08:40] <khatuido> there is i386 but i think it's for 32 bits no? so i think the platform-independent is the one for my amd64 environnement no?
[08:40] <wbadger> look
[08:40] <wbadger> in ubuntu you usually don't want to install from sites
[08:40] <wbadger> especially if it is not stated that it's a 64 bit version
[08:41] <wbadger> instead we have package repositories which are officially supported
[08:41] <wbadger> unfortunately I'm not sure xvidcap is in the repositories
[08:41] <khatuido> i saw it but don't find a repository with xvidcap
[08:42] <khatuido> i find something
[08:42] <khatuido> but it didn't work
[08:42] <khatuido> http://asher256.tuxfamily.org/index.php?2006/06/19/122-depot-ubuntu-xvidcap-pour-dapper-est-de-retour
[08:43] <khatuido> so i tried download and install the software
[08:43] <khatuido> we cannot in ubuntu?
[08:43] <wbadger> I can't read french...
[08:43] <khatuido> oh
[08:43] <khatuido> sorry i didn't check
[08:44] <wbadger> well I didn't say we can't install from the site, but it is never the preffered way
[08:44] <khatuido> http://asher256-repository.tuxfamily.org/
[08:45] <khatuido> u can choose english
[08:45] <khatuido> star there
[08:46] <wbadger> khatuido, I checked the sourceforge.net site, the platform independent download is for the source code, which means you must compile it yourself.
[08:46] <khatuido> yes
[08:47] <khatuido> but the problem
[08:47] <khatuido> i try it
[08:47] <khatuido> humm
[08:47] <khatuido> ./configure
[08:47] <khatuido> then "make"
[08:47] <khatuido> but make don't work
[08:47] <wbadger> what does "make" say?
[08:48] <khatuido> no file make
[08:48] <khatuido> or no option make
[08:48] <khatuido> it's in french
[08:48] <khatuido> they said no target
[08:48] <wbadger> ok then, I think we can compile
[08:48] <khatuido> or no makefile
[08:49] <wbadger> but there is probably a better way
[08:49] <khatuido> how compile?
[08:50] <wbadger> well first you must install the package "build-essential", before you compile anything
[08:50] <khatuido> with apt-get?
[08:50] <wbadger> yes, "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[08:51] <khatuido> it's done
[08:51] <khatuido> then ?
[08:51] <wbadger> ok now you can try again
[08:51] <wbadger> go to the directory where the source is
[08:52] <wbadger> with the command "cd
[08:52] <wbadger> then "./configure"
[08:52] <khatuido> make doesn't work
[08:52] <wbadger> still?
[08:52] <steve___> does he have gcc installed?
[08:53] <wbadger> doesn't build-essential depend on gcc?
[08:53] <wbadger> khatuido, what is the error message you get when you try to run "make"
[08:53] <khatuido> The pkg-config script could not be found or is too old.  Make sure it
[08:53] <khatuido> is in your PATH or set the PKG_CONFIG environment variable to the full
[08:53] <khatuido> path to pkg-config.
[08:53] <khatuido> Alternatively, you may set the environment variables PACKAGE_CFLAGS
[08:53] <khatuido> and PACKAGE_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
[08:53] <khatuido> See the pkg-config man page for more details.
[08:55] <khatuido> wbadger what is gcc?
[08:56] <steve___> nevermind wbadger is right
[08:56] <wbadger> khatuido, it is the standard compiler for the C programming language
[08:56] <khatuido> oh oki
[08:59] <wbadger> khatuido, I'll try it myself
[08:59] <khatuido> oki :)
[09:05] <wbadger> khatuido, ?
[09:05] <khatuido> yes?
[09:06] <khatuido> wbadger i was on phone
[09:06] <wbadger> I want you to enter the source directory in terminal again, and run ./configure again, this time paste everything you get into the box here http://pastebin.com/
[09:06] <wbadger> then press "send" and tell me the address of the page you get
[09:07] <porto88> hey can someone help me compile socks proxy server?
[09:08] <porto88> is anyone here?
[09:08] <wbadger> I'm here. what is the problem?
[09:08] <porto88> when i type ./configure, it gives me an error at the end that says
[09:08] <porto88> configure: error: *** Some of the headers weren't found ***
[09:09] <porto88> and im really new to linux, so im not even sure where to go from there
[09:09] <wbadger> porto88, you have the whole source code?
[09:10] <wbadger> and why is it you are trying to compile from source?
[09:10] <porto88> i couldn't seem to find a package for it...
[09:10] <wbadger> khatuido, ?
[09:10] <porto88> whats that?
[09:11] <wbadger> khatuido is the another person in this room
[09:11] <porto88> lol oh...nm then
[09:11] <wbadger> porto88, I believe there is a package
[09:11] <wbadger> porto88, it is called socks4-server
[09:12] <wbadger> do you know how to install a packge?
[09:12] <porto88> alright let me look again
[09:12] <porto88> i think so
[09:12] <khatuido> wbadger http://pastebin.com/m740f7203
[09:13] <porto88> i don't see the package in the synaptic package manager
[09:13] <wbadger> porto88, what version of xubuntu are you using?
[09:13] <porto88> 6.10
[09:14] <wbadger> khatuido, please install the package "pkg-config"
[09:14] <khatuido> oki
[09:17] <khatuido> i install then http://pastebin.com/d544c74a1
[09:17] <khatuido> that after ./configure
[09:18] <khatuido> oh hello porto88 :p
[09:18] <khatuido> sorry i was in phone in same time
[09:18] <khatuido> :D
[09:19] <porto88> hi
[09:19] <wbadger> porto88, this package appears to exist in your version too!
[09:19] <System79> wbadger <3
[09:19] <wbadger> it is in the Universe repository
[09:19] <wbadger> System79, hi there
[09:19] <System79> :)
[09:19] <khatuido> hey System79
[09:20] <wbadger> porto88, you need to enable the universe repository and then you will be able to find the package.
[09:20] <System79> hai
[09:20] <khatuido> u don't got problem now System79?
[09:20] <System79> porto88: Applications -> System -> Synaptic packagem anager
[09:20] <System79> khatuido: No problems except i still dont have the drivers :D
[09:21] <System79> But i have an interface now
[09:21] <khatuido> :p
[09:21] <porto88> yeh im there
[09:21] <porto88> but i do not see socks anything even when i goto all
[09:21] <khatuido> so two expert ready now :)
[09:22] <System79> porto88: in synaptic package manager go to the Settings thing at the top and click repositories
[09:22] <System79> Then check them all
[09:22] <porto88> ok
[09:22] <khatuido> wbadger: i must instal gtk something?
[09:23] <System79> porto88: Now try finding the package :p
[09:23] <wbadger> khatuido, I'm sorry didn't have time to look at the new pastebin
[09:23] <porto88> still downloading
[09:23] <khatuido> wbadger: u busy?
[09:23] <System79> khatuido
[09:24] <wbadger> I was talking to someone else in the #beryl channel too :P
[09:24] <System79> whats ur problem?
[09:24] <khatuido> i try install a software
[09:24] <khatuido> :p
[09:24] <System79> Now thats helpfull XD
[09:24] <khatuido> but don't understand my last trace
[09:24] <khatuido> http://pastebin.com/d544c74a1
[09:24] <wbadger> khatuido, you are correct. the error messsage tells you exactly the problem
[09:24] <wbadger> there are four packages you need to install
[09:24] <khatuido> with apt-get?
[09:25] <System79> Apt-get or add/remove or synaptic package manager
[09:25] <System79> all works :)
[09:25] <wbadger> yes khatuido
[09:25] <wbadger> simply
[09:25] <khatuido> oki oki
[09:25] <wbadger> sudo apt-get install gtk+-2.0 libglade-2.0 glib-2.0 gthread-2.0
[09:25] <System79> Nickleback -> If everyone cared <-- Supermusic :)
[09:27] <khatuido> i don't find the package gtk+2.0
[09:28] <porto88> ok found them
[09:28] <porto88> and its downloading now
[09:29] <wbadger> khatuido, did you try "gtk+-2.0" ? there is a dash there after the plus sign
[09:30] <khatuido> dash?
[09:30] <khatuido> where?
[09:30] <wbadger> dash is like a minus : "-"
[09:30] <khatuido> oh yes
[09:30] <wbadger> you tried gtk+2.0, try gtk+-2.0
[09:31] <khatuido> khatuido@pcgk-mobile:~/Desktop/xvidcap-1.1.6$ sudo apt-get install gtk+-2.0Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait
[09:31] <khatuido> Construction de l'arbre des dpendances
[09:31] <khatuido> Lecture de l'information d'tat... Fait
[09:31] <khatuido> E: Impossible de trouver le paquet gtk+-2.0
[09:31] <khatuido> they don't find it
[09:33] <wbadger> khatuido, we need to find the correct name, just a minute
[09:36] <wbadger> try this: "sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0*"
[09:36] <wbadger> khatuido, this should install about 4 packages
[09:36] <wbadger> oh wait thats too much
[09:37] <khatuido> i lauch
[09:37] <khatuido> launch
[09:37] <wbadger> wait a minute
[09:37] <khatuido> it's too late
[09:37] <wbadger> you can cancel :)
[09:37] <khatuido> how?
[09:37] <wbadger> well if you install too much its not that bad, just a wait
[09:37] <khatuido> ctrl c?
[09:37] <wbadger> but ok then
[09:37] <wbadger> better not
[09:37] <khatuido> how cancel?
[09:38] <khatuido> it look install a lot
[09:38] <khatuido> ol
[09:38] <khatuido> lol
[09:38] <wbadger> you install 3 packages too much, that's not bad at all. you could cancel when it asked you
[09:38] <wbadger> how many packages?
[09:38] <khatuido> oh oki
[09:38] <khatuido> don't know
[09:38] <wbadger> you can try ctrl+c but I don't think you should
[09:38] <khatuido> there is many text
[09:38] <wbadger> ok then.. we can uninstall the ones we don't need
[09:39] <wbadger> after it finishes.. would you like that?
[09:39] <khatuido> i don't think it must be very fat?
[09:39] <khatuido> no?
[09:39] <wbadger> but it is still unimportant
[09:40] <khatuido> it's long
[09:40] <khatuido> lol
[09:41] <wbadger> so when it finishes, if you like you can remove some with this: "sudo apt-get remove libgtk2.0-data libgtk2.0-0-dbg libgtk2.0-0png3 libgtk2.0-doc libgtk2.0-cil libgtk2.0-dbg"
[09:41] <wbadger> I'm sorry I made you install so much .. I didn't think there would be ten of those. but it will not do harm
[09:42] <khatuido> ^
[09:42] <khatuido> ^^
[09:42] <wbadger> did it finish now?
[09:42] <khatuido> yes
[09:42] <khatuido> u make me install
[09:42] <khatuido> es paquets supplmentaires suivants seront installs:
[09:42] <khatuido>   binfmt-support libatk1-ruby libatk1.0-dev libcairo-perl libcairo-ruby
[09:42] <khatuido>   libcairo-ruby1.8 libcairo2-dev libexpat1-dev libfontconfig1-dev libfreetype6
[09:42] <khatuido>   libfreetype6-dev libgdiplus libgdk-pixbuf2-ruby libglib-perl libglib2-ruby
[09:42] <khatuido>   libglib2.0-cil libglib2.0-dev libgtk2-ex-podviewer-perl
[09:43] <khatuido> oups
[09:43] <khatuido> banned
[09:43] <khatuido> lol
[09:43] <wbadger> kicked.. it was an honect mistake.
[09:43] <khatuido> http://pastebin.com/d7946a1ec
[09:43] <khatuido> this
[09:43] <khatuido> :)
[09:43] <wbadger> well do you want to remove all the packages that are not important?
[09:44] <khatuido> if u can easy
[09:44] <khatuido> else i don't really care
[09:45] <wbadger> lets try to ./configure now, and later you can remove everything listed there (just copy and paste the lists after "sudo apt-get remove"
[09:46] <khatuido> humm
[09:46] <khatuido> still a problem
[09:47] <khatuido>  error: Package requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.4.0 libglade-2.0 glib-2.0 gthread-2.0) were not met:
[09:47] <khatuido> No package 'libglade-2.0' found
[09:47] <khatuido> i try apt-get on it doesn't work
[09:48] <khatuido> still a problem wbadger
[09:48] <khatuido>  error: Package requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.4.0 libglade-2.0 glib-2.0 gthread-2.0) were not met:
[09:48] <khatuido> No package 'libglade-2.0' found
[09:48] <khatuido> apt-get not works on it
[09:49] <wbadger> nstall this package:libglade2-dev
[09:51] <khatuido> not the good one
[09:51] <khatuido> cos it change nothing on the ./configure
[09:52] <wbadger> then try this one :P (sorry): libglade2-0
[09:53] <khatuido> still not good one
[09:53] <khatuido> :p
[09:55] <khatuido> i uninstall them
[09:55] <wbadger> are you sure khatuido that you did it well?
[09:55] <wbadger> sudo apt-get install libglade-2.0 libglade2-dev
[09:55] <wbadger> it worked for me
[09:56] <wbadger> khatuido, maybe the error message is now different?
[09:58] <khatuido> libglade-2.0 this one doesn't  exist
[09:58] <wbadger> sorry, no dash (libglade2.0)
[09:59] <khatuido> libglade2-0      libglade2.0-cil  libglade2-dev    libglade2-ruby
[09:59] <khatuido> which one?
[09:59] <khatuido> first?
[10:00] <wbadger> yes..
[10:00] <khatuido> still libglade-2.0not found
[10:01] <wbadger> please tell me the output of "dpkg -l | grep libglade2"
[10:01] <khatuido> hehe
[10:01] <khatuido> i know what i need install
[10:01] <khatuido> the third
[10:02] <khatuido> :D
[10:02] <wbadger> I told you to install the third one before
[10:02] <khatuido> no
[10:02] <khatuido> another
 nstall this package:libglade2-dev
[10:02] <wbadger> you see, that was many messages ago :P
[10:02] <khatuido> oh yes
[10:02] <khatuido> sorry
[10:02] <khatuido> :D
[10:02] <wbadger> :)
[10:03] <khatuido> but i thought i install it
[10:03] <khatuido> :s
[10:03] <khatuido> but make still doesn't work
[10:04] <cellofellow> what are we compiling?
[10:04] <khatuido> a stupid software for me :D
[10:04] <khatuido> but i am a noob
[10:06] <wbadger> xvidcap
[10:06] <wbadger> it seems to have a lot of dependencies
[10:06] <cellofellow> is there something wrong with the repositories version?
[10:06] <cellofellow> !info xvidcap
[10:06] <ubotu> Package xvidcap does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:07] <cellofellow> oh, I see
[10:07] <cellofellow> it's not there
[10:07] <wbadger> :] 
[10:07] <wbadger> exactly
[10:07] <wbadger> khatuido, what is the error now?
[10:07] <khatuido> wbadger : is it important "Couldn't find libXmu in LD_LIBRARY_PATH, checking X11 paths"
[10:07] <khatuido> ?
[10:07] <wbadger> I think the only important things appear in the end
[10:08] <wbadger> what error does it give?
[10:08] <wbadger> checking for XmuClientWindow in -lXmu... no
[10:08] <wbadger> Couldn't find libXmu in LD_LIBRARY_PATH, checking X11 paths
[10:08] <wbadger> checking for XmuClientWindow in -lXmu... no
[10:08] <wbadger> libXmu required for drawing the frame around the area to capture
[10:09] <wbadger> something like this? bah should have used pastebin..
[10:09] <khatuido> yes
[10:09] <khatuido> oki
[10:09] <khatuido> but i just got that
[10:10] <khatuido> http://pastebin.com/md6af925
[10:12] <wbadger> ok then khatuido
[10:12] <khatuido> then?
[10:12] <wbadger> sorry just a minute
[10:12] <khatuido> oki oki
[10:14] <wbadger> khatuido, sudo apt-get install libxmu-dev
[10:14] <wbadger> after I did that, configure seemed to work, it is processing a lot of text.
[10:15] <wbadger> khatuido, I almost forgot we are doing all this for xvidcap.
[10:16] <khatuido> lol
[10:16] <wbadger> khatuido, I guess it is a good experience, but perhaps it would have been a better idea to go for recordmydesktop
[10:16] <khatuido> but i learn use it :)
[10:16] <khatuido> i try install recordmydesktop
[10:16] <khatuido> don't success
[10:16] <khatuido> lol
[10:16] <wbadger> why not?
[10:17] <khatuido> don't know with amd64 all is more hard
[10:17] <khatuido> i think choose this one was my worst idea
[10:17] <wbadger> you tried to install recordmydestop from source??
[10:17] <wbadger> there is a package for it..
[10:17] <khatuido> yes cos it's for 32
[10:17] <wbadger> !info recordmydesktop
[10:17] <ubotu> recordmydesktop: Captures audio-video data of a linux desktop session. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-1 (feisty), package size 40 kB, installed size 128 kB
[10:18] <khatuido> oh
[10:18] <wbadger> if you have ubuntu 64bit, the packages for it are 64 bit also. so if there is a package USE IT lol :)
[10:18] <khatuido> i can with apt-get?
[10:18] <wbadger> now you learned another important thing.
[10:18] <wbadger> yes!
[10:18] <khatuido> ^
[10:18] <wbadger> :D
[10:18] <khatuido> ^^
[10:18] <khatuido> but nvm xvidcam is better
[10:18] <khatuido> i guess
[10:18] <khatuido> i can choose a part of my screen
[10:19] <khatuido> normaly
[10:19] <wbadger> it better be...
[10:19] <khatuido> lol
[10:19] <wbadger> you can try them both and decide
[10:19] <wbadger> did you manage to ./configure yet?
[10:19] <khatuido> it's still running
[10:20] <khatuido> a lot of text
[10:20] <khatuido> blablabla
[10:20] <wbadger> yes it was like that for me too
[10:20] <wbadger> make will also take sometime
[10:20] <khatuido> i don't know why they put so many text don't time to see it :D
[10:21] <wbadger> well make does not take long, I was wrong.
[10:21] <wbadger> I managed to install by now.
[10:21] <wbadger> So you should be able to too
[10:22] <khatuido> it's still configure
[10:24] <wbadger> you were right, khatuido, it is a great program
[10:24] <khatuido> yes :)
[10:24] <khatuido> i saw some screen shoot
[10:24] <khatuido> it look great
[10:25] <khatuido> my configure is very long
[10:25] <khatuido> is it normal?
[10:25] <wbadger> yes
[10:27] <khatuido> finish
[10:28] <khatuido> i do make?
[10:28] <khatuido> wbadger i launch :)
[10:28] <wbadger> khatuido, "make"
[10:28] <wbadger> and when that is done
[10:28] <wbadger> "sudo make install"
[10:28] <khatuido> then make install?
[10:29] <khatuido> oki
[10:29] <khatuido> it looks work
[10:29] <khatuido> :)
[10:29] <wbadger> :)
[10:29] <wbadger> good job
[10:29] <khatuido> i try  on the chat
[10:29] <khatuido> :)
[10:30] <khatuido> hummm
[10:30] <khatuido> don't know how save
[10:32] <khatuido> humm
[10:32] <khatuido> i will try
[10:32] <wbadger> it saves it automatically when you stop :) in your home folder
[10:33] <khatuido> oh
[10:33] <hyper_ch> hiho, I'm back
[10:34] <wbadger> hi there
[10:35] <khatuido> hello
[10:36] <khatuido> don't success read the video
[10:36] <khatuido> :p
[10:36] <hyper_ch> khatuido: you have a problem=?
[10:37] <khatuido> ohoh
[10:37] <wbadger> what do you mean?
[10:37] <khatuido> i got big problem
[10:37] <khatuido> i lost all my system things
[10:37] <khatuido> where there is synaptic
[10:37] <hyper_ch> khatuido: what system things?
[10:37] <wbadger> you mean the XFCE menu?
[10:37] <khatuido> all the stuff for install
[10:37] <khatuido> yes
[10:37] <wbadger> do you have a panel?
[10:38] <khatuido> a panel is a menu?
[10:38] <wbadger> no, the panel is that line which has launchers inside it, sometimes a menu, system tray, minimized windows
[10:38] <khatuido> i just lost the menu where there is add and remove
[10:38] <wbadger> so press with your right button on the panel
[10:39] <wbadger> click "Add Launcher"
[10:39] <hyper_ch> khatuido: oh... do you know how to open a terminal?
[10:39] <wbadger> sorry, "Add New Item"
[10:39] <khatuido> then?
[10:39] <wbadger> then choose the last one, XFCE Menu :)
[10:40] <wbadger> and click Add of course
[10:40] <khatuido> no
[10:40] <khatuido> it's add another menu
[10:40] <khatuido> i ever got it
[10:40] <khatuido> but the problem is i lost a lot of program
[10:40] <khatuido> inside
[10:40] <wbadger> oh...
[10:40] <khatuido> like the thing for install
[10:41] <khatuido> synaptic
[10:41] <khatuido> or something like that
[10:41] <khatuido> and all the setting
[10:41] <wbadger> you lost things in the "System" submenu?
[10:41] <khatuido> when i remove libglad....
[10:41] <khatuido> yes all
[10:41] <khatuido> :)
[10:41] <khatuido> that so bad
[10:41] <hyper_ch> khatuido: open a shell termina
[10:41] <wbadger> all other submenus are ok?
[10:42] <khatuido> yes
[10:42] <khatuido> just this one
[10:42] <khatuido> but i use the add and remove for install software but now cannot go in
[10:42] <khatuido> it's removed
[10:43] <khatuido> hyper_ch i got a shell
[10:45] <khatuido> wbadger can i install it again?
[10:47] <wbadger> khatuido, try running "synaptic" from a terminal, lets see if that works
[10:47] <hyper_ch> khatuido: open a shell termina
[10:47] <hyper_ch> khatuido: then run this:    sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[10:47] <khatuido> they ask me install
[10:48] <hyper_ch> khatuido: ?
[10:48] <khatuido> i try
[10:48] <khatuido> it install a lot of thing
[10:49] <hyper_ch> khatuido: like?
[10:49] <khatuido> ur things
[10:49] <hyper_ch> khatuido: like?
[10:50] <khatuido> don't know too much text
[10:50] <khatuido> i cannot copy paste
[10:50] <khatuido> i think i lost my desktop
[10:50] <khatuido> before
[10:50] <hyper_ch> khatuido: well, "things" doesn't help much as a description
[10:51] <khatuido> humm my desktop
[10:51] <khatuido> ubuntu sound
[10:51] <khatuido> many lins
[10:51] <khatuido> libs
[10:51] <khatuido> it's not finish
[10:52] <khatuido> it looks work
[10:52] <hyper_ch> khatuido: it looks work?
[10:52] <khatuido> my menu appear
[10:52] <khatuido> :)
[10:52] <khatuido> thanks hyper_ch
[10:52] <khatuido> :)
[10:53] <khatuido> i got all my menu i guess
[10:53] <khatuido> :)
[10:54] <System79> khatuido :D
[10:54] <khatuido> don't laugh not funny his menu :(
[10:54] <khatuido> u know it ;)
[10:54] <System79> xD
[10:55] <khatuido> :p
[10:57] <wbadger> goodbye guys :)
[11:07] <khatuido> good bye
[11:08] <System79> u leavin too?
[11:08] <System79> :x
[11:08] <khatuido> yea
[11:08] <khatuido> :p
[11:08] <khatuido> u will be alone
[11:08] <System79> why :(
[11:08] <khatuido> lol
[11:08] <System79>  *cries*
[11:08] <khatuido> lol
[11:08] <System79> no seriously
[11:08] <System79> u leaving?
[11:08] <System79> >.>
[11:08] <khatuido> humm
[11:09] <khatuido> soon i guess
[11:09] <System79> what irc client u using
[11:10] <khatuido> me?
[11:10] <System79> yes
[11:10] <System79> =P
[11:10] <khatuido> Konversation
[11:10] <khatuido> u know it?
[11:10] <System79> come to server phrozen-systems.ath.cx same channel? :P
[11:12] <khatuido> humm
[11:12] <khatuido> i search how do it
[11:12] <khatuido> oh i find
[11:12] <System79> :P
[11:14] <System79> lol why did you disconnect arleady
[11:14] <System79> XD
[11:15] <hyper_ch> System79: ?
[11:17] <System79> i wasnt talking to you
[11:17] <System79> =/
[11:17] <chals> hi everybody
[11:18] <chals> someone can helpme
[11:18] <chals> my apt-get can not install anything i already change the source.list several times
[11:19] <hyper_ch> chals: well, what error do you get?
[11:19] <chals> no found package
[11:20] <hyper_ch> chals: then there's none available
[11:21] <chals> should i  change my sources.list?
[11:22] <chals> it can not found any pakage
[11:23] <hyper_ch> chals: well, I have no clue what you did
[11:24] <hyper_ch> chals: you could pastebin yours
[11:27] <chals> ok
[11:28] <chals> chals@xubuntu-gateway:/etc$ sudo apt-get install netselect-apt
[11:28] <chals> Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
[11:28] <chals> Creando rbol de dependencias
[11:28] <chals> Leyendo informacin de estado... Hecho
[11:28] <hyper_ch> !pastebin | chals
[11:28] <ubotu> chals: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:28] <chals> E: No se pudo encontrar el paquete netselect-apt
[11:28] <hyper_ch> chals: and you could pastebin your sources.list
[11:29] <chals> ok
[11:35] <nikolam> Hello, I got to share one amazing thing with you folks here ;)
[11:35] <nikolam> I just removed PATA IDE disk and putted in external USB2.0->IDE box
[11:36] <nikolam> And.. Xubuntu Works!
[11:36] <System79> Thats known ;D
[11:36] <nikolam> :)) Amazing to me :)
[11:37] <nikolam> Surely I have no idea how (maybe motherboard support it) But i am still amazed :)
[11:37] <System79> :)
[11:37] <nikolam> Xp on same disk did not boot, of course :)
[11:37] <hyper_ch> xp sucks
[11:39] <cheeseboy> my bios cant boot usb is there a boot loader that will let me?
[11:41] <hyper_ch> cheeseboy: maybe grub will
[11:41] <cheeseboy> how?
[11:42] <hyper_ch> cheeseboy: I said "maybe"
[11:42] <cheeseboy> :/
[11:42] <cheeseboy> i need how
[11:42] <cheeseboy> :(
[11:44] <hyper_ch> cheeseboy: how about informing yourself what grub can do and what not?
[11:47] <cheeseboy> nah
[11:49] <hyper_ch> cheeseboy: well, then you'll never konw
[11:50] <cheeseboy> u could find out then wed both know
[11:50] <cheeseboy> j/kj
[11:50] <cheeseboy> :-P
[11:51] <hyper_ch> I don't need to know, my computer boots from DSL just perfectly from my usb stick
[12:05] <Troubled-Jay> hey, anyone know how to burn a DVD with subtitles? do i just add the srt file to the root directory of the DVD, or in VIDEO_TS?
[12:05] <Troubled-Jay> or do i have to add them as permanent to the AVI first?
[12:06] <Troubled-Jay> tried googling this, but couldn't really find anything useful, just forum posts, mainly about DVD players that play divx
[12:07] <hyper_ch> Troubled-Jay: copy it
[12:07] <hyper_ch> Troubled-Jay: or use k9copy (or shrinkdvd with wine)
[12:09] <Troubled-Jay> i'm not copying a DVD, i'm using an AVI i ripped from VHS, and subtitles i found online.
[12:12] <Troubled-Jay> i take it i'll need to re-encode the avi as MPEG-2, then overlay the subtitles? i've never done this with linux before, what tools can i use for that?
[12:13] <Troubled-Jay> a video transcoder should be easy enough to find, i guess, but what can i use to add the subtitles?