[12:38] <ogra> its on launchpad
[12:55] <RichEd> ogra: can you help johnny ?
[12:57] <ogra> yes, gimme a sec
[12:58] <ogra> if LP would work ...
[01:00] <ogra> johnny, http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-ldm-dash-ltsp/revision/gadi%40ltsp.org-20070521205254-ek710bofdpdtlwlz?start_revid=gadi%40ltsp.org-20070606134809-ekni9p4n6tm09dn8
[01:01] <ogra> in the installed client system the file is located in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm
[01:16] <RichEd> thanks ogra :)
[01:20] <johnny> sorry for asking the same question
[01:20] <johnny> wasn't sure anybody was going to answer
[01:44] <ari_stress> wazzup everyone :)
[02:08] <ogra> jinty, !
[02:08] <jinty> hoi ogra
[02:08] <ogra> where are your schooltool packages ?
[02:08] <jinty> in a repository for you
[02:08] <ogra> i'll be able to look at them next week (currently i'm at ubuntulive)
[02:09] <ogra> cool :)
[02:09] <jinty> deb-src http://ftp.schooltool.org/schooltool/archives/debian/ unstable main
[02:09] <jinty> as you like, they're there
[02:09] <ogra> noted down ...
[02:10] <jinty> I'll be pushing out later releases as they come
[02:10] <ogra> sadly the conf keeps me very busy
[02:10] <jinty> no worries
[02:10] <jinty> just let me know how it goes
[02:10] <ogra> so i wont be able to actually tke a in-depth look before the weekend (if jetlag allows :) )
[02:10] <ogra> ah, right, 2am in europe
[02:10] <ogra> sleep tight :)
[02:23] <leetcharmer> hello :D
[02:23] <leetcharmer> I would like to share a partition on my network
[02:24] <leetcharmer> but I can't edit it currently
[02:24] <leetcharmer> how do I change permissions
[02:24] <leetcharmer> so it can be used openly?
[05:13] <sbalneav> Evening all
[05:23] <Tom47> we installed x11vnc and now are experiencing PXE-32:TFTP open timeout probs .... not sure what to do next given in iability to get better diagnosics
[05:24] <Tom47> client ran previously
[05:30] <sbalneav> So, the client won't boot at all now?
[05:57] <Tom47> no it comes up with the pxe error message
[05:58] <Tom47> apparently this meansThe PXE client was able to get a DHCP address and a boot file name, but timed out when attempting to download the boot file using TFTP or MTFTP
[06:00] <sbalneav> Do you have a stock edubuntu install, other than the addition of X11vnc?  Or have you changed the tftp server?
[06:02] <Tom47> yes .... actually dont understand why thex11vnc was not installed as part of standard install of edubuntu
[06:04] <sbalneav> Yes... you changed the tftp server, or yes, it's a stock install.
[06:04] <Tom47> we have installed other things mind, but the only change from a working client to a non working one was the installation of x11vnc and nano on the client
[06:04] <Tom47> stock install
[06:04] <sbalneav> Well, lets see if the tftp server's running
[06:04] <Tom47> as ar as we know we did not touch tftp at all knowingly anyway
[06:04] <sbalneav> netstat -an | grep :69
[06:05] <Tom47> ok just a sec ... need to contact the place where the server is brb
[06:08] <sbalneav> x11vnc puts a lot of load on the thin client, and is a potential security hole.
[06:08] <sbalneav> Therefore, it's not installed by default.
[06:09] <Tom47> oic
[06:09] <Tom47> we did not see that
[06:10] <Tom47> the person that has the server is tied up for 20 minutes .... will get him in here if possible when he finishes x-raying a dog
[06:10] <sbalneav> I'll be on for another hour or so.
[06:10] <Tom47> ok ty very much ... whats next if the server is running?
[06:11] <sbalneav> We step though a debugging procedure.
[06:11] <Tom47> tftp server i meant
[06:11] <Tom47> ok
[06:11] <sbalneav> check cables, hubs, etc.
[06:11] <sbalneav> check you didn't install any firewall software that might have blocked the port, etc.
[06:12] <sbalneav> what extra stuff DID you install
[06:12] <sbalneav> start by telling me that.
[06:12] <Tom47> hmmmmm ...... he was talking about a firewall at one stage ....
[06:12] <sbalneav> Well, if he's blocked the tftp server, that would do it.
[06:13] <Tom47> we hae installed tomcat and an associated application ... this was working and displaying ok on the client
[06:13] <Tom47> yes ....
[06:14] <Tom47> we are setting up a verterinary system at his clinic
[06:14] <Tom47> based on edubuntu server
[06:15] <Tom47> your mentioning of the firewall is interesting because we were talking about ways to stop users on the clients connecting to the net but still having system administrator access
[06:15] <sbalneav> I assumed it was a vet clinic.  Unless "x-raying a dog" is some REALLY wierd slang for something I've never heard of before :)
[06:16] <Tom47> and for some time it looked like the way o go was to set up a firewall/webserver to manage it eg willowng
[06:16] <Tom47> lol
[06:16] <sbalneav> You a vet yourself?
[06:16] <Tom47> in the end we dropped onto using firefox profiles as an adequate way
[06:16] <Tom47> no
[06:17] <Tom47> i have been in IT since 1969 and have taken up linux over the past 4 years
[06:18] <Tom47> the vet and i have been keeping each other moving forward in linux during this time ie a mini lug
[06:21] <sbalneav> I've been a Unix user since 1985, and a Linux user since 1992
[06:21] <sbalneav> and a Free software developer since 1999
[06:22] <Tom47> its a great way to be
[06:22] <sbalneav> Keeps me out of trouble.
[06:22] <Tom47> we would prob say it keeps our fingers busy but not nec "out of trouble" :)
[06:23] <Tom47> is current system is an aging application running on sco unix
[06:23] <Tom47> his*
[06:24] <Tom47> edubuntu looks almost ideal as a basis for moving forward
[06:26] <sbalneav> It's a nice little system.
[06:27] <sbalneav> I'm one of the LTSP developers, who's slowly become an Edubuntu developer as well.
[06:27] <Tom47> ah ok .... well am delighted to meet you :)
[06:28] <Tom47> thanks for your contributions ... def appreciated in this neck of the woods
[06:34] <sbalneav> No problem.  Happy to help
[06:40] <Tom47> ok response to netstat was ... udp       0    0 0.0.0.0:69   	0.0.0.0:*
[06:42] <sbalneav> ok
[06:42] <sbalneav> so, that means the server's up
[06:42] <Tom47> ok good
[06:42] <sbalneav> so, did you get a firewall installed?
[06:43] <Tom47> it was installed but was removed and the client was running afterwards and in fact immediately befre we installed x11vnx ... which ... i am now reminded we also installed on the srever
[06:44] <sbalneav> Hm.  Well, if you installed a firewall, and removed it, it might have left some rules around.
[06:44] <sbalneav> try rebooting the server to clear 'em out.
[06:45] <Tom47> has happened since but will do again now
[06:46] <sbalneav> k
[06:46] <Tom47> he will help us athrough some diagnostics
[06:46] <Tom47> oos sorry wrong window
[06:51] <sbalneav> Booted yet?
[06:51] <Tom47> just trying to get out of him exactly what he did ... yes had rebooted ... am trying to ensure what he is saying is unambiguous
[06:55] <Tom47> sorry about this he has gone on another consultancy session ... this is not gonna work .... my apologies
[06:56] <sbalneav> Where are you located?
[06:57] <Tom47> small rural town in australia
[06:57] <sbalneav> Is the machine accessible from the internet?
[06:57] <Tom47> yes i believe so
[06:58] <Tom47> ok ... no longer getting that pxe error .... its now hanging during the boot of x ... he has a black screen with th cross in the middle
[06:58] <sbalneav> ah, ok
[06:59] <sbalneav> farther.
[06:59] <sbalneav> sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys might fix that for you.
[07:00] <Tom47> then just a client reboot?
[07:01] <sbalneav> yep
[07:03] <Tom47> as to the internet, its of course sitting behind NAT on an adsl router
[07:05] <sbalneav> That fix it?
[07:05] <Tom47> ok ty he has a live client again but still getting the "install x11vnc" error message ... bugger
[07:06] <sbalneav> heh, he wants the vnc to see what's on the screens of the terminals?
[07:06] <Tom47> yes ... its not critical but thought it would be handy
[07:07] <Tom47> for diagnostics purposes to save walking aound the clinic to the various workstations to confirm heir status
[07:07] <sbalneav> did you install it in the chroot?
[07:07] <Tom47> yep
[07:07] <sbalneav> you'll need to do a sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
[07:08] <sbalneav> did you modify the rc.local to get it running on startup?
[07:08] <inga>  yes
[07:08] <Tom47> ah hello inga ..... let me itroduce you to sbalneav
[07:08] <inga> hi
[07:08] <Tom47> inga is the vet
[07:08] <sbalneav> Hello
[07:09] <inga> thre ways was getting difficult
[07:09] <sbalneav> But you're back up and running now?
[07:09] <inga> yes am basically back to where we were before attempting x11vnc install
[07:09] <Tom47> inga sbalneav tells me that the x11vnc is not a standard install element due to security concerns
[07:10] <sbalneav> Did you make the change to the rc.local file?
[07:10] <inga> yes as we discussed it is hardly worth the hassle and the security risk
[07:11] <inga> is there a problem getting rid of it
[07:12] <Tom47> certainly a way of eliminating the problems with it
[07:12] <inga> sorry did complete install as per wiki instructions and staed in chroot
[07:12] <Tom47> make a decision :)
[07:12] <sbalneav> No, in the chroot doing an apt-get remove x11vnc shouldn't cause you any problems.
[07:13] <sbalneav> If it's a small clinic, for the added strain it puts on the thin client, a quick walk around may be faster :)
[07:13] <inga> yep did rc.local bit.
[07:13] <inga> definitely
[07:14] <Tom47> do we have a handle on the secs of that client machine ?
[07:15] <Tom47> specs
[07:15] <inga> previously it had stopped and restarted with no problems so it is hardly worth the effort.
[07:15] <sbalneav> the Thin Client Manager will still work, for sending messages, and looking at processes, logging people out, etc.
[07:15] <Tom47> sounds like an obvious choice o me inga
[07:15] <inga> I think its is a celeron 800   HP D30
[07:16] <sbalneav> All you'll miss is the live screenshot.
[07:17] <inga> sbalneav thx - the live screenshot is of minor importance
[07:17] <inga> any comments on the keeping the lan off the internet?
[07:18] <sbalneav> You're behind an adsl firewall?
[07:18] <sbalneav> our router box?
[07:18] <inga> yep
[07:18] <sbalneav> if so, you're already off the internet. :)
[07:18] <sbalneav> Unless you're wanting to block people INTERNALLY from getting out.
[07:19] <inga> hmm doesn't seem to work that way. The server has two cards
[07:19] <inga> yes exactly
[07:20] <inga> The LAN does not need internet access
[07:20] <sbalneav> ah, ok, that's a bit harder.  Do you want SOME people to get out, and others not to?
[07:20] <inga> none at this stage
[07:20] <sbalneav> Hm, simple iptables rule might do it.
[07:21] <sbalneav> Off the top of my head, I don't know it, and it's 20 past midnight here, so I'm about ready for bed.  Can you give me an email, and I'll look it up tomorrow and send it to you?
[07:22] <inga> it is not an area of any expertise on my part - thx i would like that
[07:23] <inga> inga.edulis@gmail.com
[07:24] <inga> thanks again
[07:25] <sbalneav> ok, I'll look it up and send it tomorrow.
[07:25] <sbalneav> cheers
[07:25] <sbalneav> night
[11:39] <delire> wouldn't it be great to see something like this in Edubuntu: http://scratch.mit.edu/ http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070722-new-educational-tool-makes-programming-like-playing-with-lego-bricks.html
[11:39] <delire> anyone know what license this thing is released under?
[12:45] <unix4me> How do I install the default ubuntu screensavers in Edubuntu? I want a greater variety than the ones default in edubuntu.
[03:14] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:22] <sgonzalez> morning sbalneav... would you like to fix my issue again today? I'm trying to set up DHCP failover (first time for this) and have followed these directions: http://www.madboa.com/geek/dhcp-failover/. After I put in what I believe to be the right edits into the file, my clients get no IP. I have left the PXE boot info at the bottom, and changed the IPs to follow my network setup.
[03:22] <sbalneav> Don't know anything about dhcp failover myself.
[03:22] <sbalneav> Never had it fail before :)
[03:23] <sgonzalez> I'm just using it for load balancing (well, I want to use it for that anyway!) Thanks anyway... I'll keep hacking away.
[03:40] <cliebow> sgonzalez, why not have a look at trasks failover http://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2005-October/msg00210.html
[03:46] <Sly-Guy> Has anyone here worked with dedicated dumb terminals such as the Wyse WinTerms with Edubuntu?
[03:48] <sgonzalez> cliebow: thanks.... I'll take a look. I think my problem is that the directions I'm following aren't for ltsp and Dave's will be.
[03:59] <sgonzalez> I'm looking at Dave Trasks's DHCP failover directions and the first thing it says is that it's written for LTSP in single NIC mode. That's something I want to do anyway, so I can start there. However, I can't find instructions on how to do that. Anyone know where there is some?
[04:01] <cliebow> sgonzalez, i use single nic exclusively..but it is pretty trivial if you have control of dhcp
[04:02] <sgonzalez> cliebow: is there setup that needs to be done? Or should I just try the DHCP load balancing thing and it should just work? I'm just not sure how to tell DHCP to work on ETH0 instead of ETH1 where it is now.
[04:05] <cliebow> is there anything in /etc/default to help you..
[04:05] <cliebow> this is edubuntu then?
[04:06] <cliebow> can you take out second nic 8~)
[04:07] <sbalneav> /etc/default/dhcp3-server allows you to set the nic
[04:07] <cliebow>  sbalneav: o mighty wizard..thank you..
[04:08] <sbalneav> np
[04:08] <cliebow> 8~)
[04:08] <sgonzalez> cliebow: both NICs are onboard.... I don't think I want to unsolder the mother board ;) It is edubuntu 7.04. Will try setting /etc/default/dhcp3-server... advice from the mighty wizard who saved me hours yesterday
[04:09] <cliebow> good idea..
[04:09] <cliebow> take it out in the field and smack it with a baseball bat
[04:10] <sgonzalez> I'll refrain from going Office Space on my server, but thanks for the advice.
[04:12] <sgonzalez> Tried setting the interface to ETH0 in dhcp3-server, but DHCP wouldn't restart after that. I guess it's off to (UGH) read and learn ;)
[04:12] <cliebow> sbalneav:got any suggestions for an hp laptop stalling on hda: waiting for dma
[04:12] <cliebow> sgonzales:make sure your dhcpd.conf reflects the
[04:13] <cliebow> subnet your nic is set for
[04:13] <sbalneav> cliebow: you booting from the disc?
[04:13] <cliebow> yeah..gutsy
[04:13] <sbalneav> if so, try booting with noacpi
[04:13] <cliebow> k
[04:19] <cliebow> heh timed out again..no big deal i guess
[04:45] <cliebow> boots to a breezy disk ok
[06:16] <LaserJock> ogra: got a minute?
[06:56] <LaserJock> ogra: gotta run to work, but I've got a question on tuxpaint translations in the .diff.gz
[06:57] <LaserJock> bbiab
[07:56] <LaserJock> ogra: I'm back
[07:56] <cliebow> LaserJock, ogra's been in #ltsp not long ago..
[07:57] <LaserJock> cliebow: yeah, I think he's just avoiding me ;-)
[07:57] <cliebow> heh..
[07:59] <sgonzalez> cliebow: just wanted to follow up. Got DHCP failover working. My issue was that I hadn't set up the 2 servers; was testing with just the one thinking that I needed to get that one set up before working on the next. Well the primary needs to see the secondary at least once before working, then they'll play together.
[08:02] <cliebow> -*-*
[08:05] <ogra> LaserJock, nah ... but i'm about to change rooms back in 30 min or so
[08:05] <LaserJock> ok
[08:05] <LaserJock> ping me when you're back
[08:06] <ogra> will do
[08:07] <ogra> LaserJock, seems Riddell is just pushing edubuntu-addon-meta through ;)
[08:07] <ogra> hmm, there is a meeting scheduled tomorrow ... Rich and i will be on planes by then :/
[08:21] <LaserJock> ogra: wow, I thought it'd take much longer to get edubuntu-addon-meta through
[08:24] <sbalneav> edubuntu-addon-meta?
[08:25] <LaserJock> sbalneav: it's a part of my new "take over the educational world" plan
[08:26] <LaserJock> "I want sharks ... with freakin' laser beams on their head"
[08:27] <henn_tech> how can i make requests for the software that's included in the Edubuntu releases?
[08:27] <sbalneav> "I want a Linux Distribution with.... ONE MILLION LINES OF CODE!"
[08:27] <sbalneav> You're in the right place.
[08:28] <sbalneav> Here, or even better (so we don't lose it) on the mailing list
[08:28] <sbalneav> edubuntu-devel
[08:28] <LaserJock> henn_tech: we can't make promises of course, but what's your request?
[08:29] <henn_tech> Well, an option for KDE instead of GNOME.  I'm installing Edubuntu on hundreds of computers at my college, and i think KDE would be a little more user friendly for those who arent too Linux-savvy.
[08:30] <ogra> sbalneav, i talked to eric yesterday ... he'S about to update k12ltsp ....
[08:30] <ogra> using ltsp 4 again
[08:30] <ogra> :/
[08:31] <sbalneav> That's ok.  Makes a clear choice as to where people want to be.
[08:31] <ogra> well
[08:31] <ogra> you will have to support 4.2 eve longer
[08:31] <ogra> *even
[08:32] <sbalneav> If you haven't noticed, I'm not really supporting 4.2 anymore :)
[08:32] <ogra> well
[08:32] <ogra> jim wont want to drop it
[08:32] <ogra> (even though i'm hoping to convince him with gutsy ;) )
[08:33] <cliebow> im getting to be more and more of an anachronism..
[08:33] <LaserJock> ogra: would it be ok if I did a MIR for edubuntu-menus ? I'd like to do a little work on it before Gutsy is out
[08:34] <henn_tech> My job is to put open-source software on these computers, and we distribute the computers to people who need them (churches, education institutions). we just had a shipment go to Nigeria. I truly think KDE will be more appealing and encourage new Linux users to continue using it.
[08:34] <ogra> LaserJock, go ahead :)
[08:34] <cliebow> henn_tech:xubuntu is nice 8~) too\
[08:34] <LaserJock> ogra: I'd not installing by default, but it'd be nice to at least get it in Main
[08:34] <ogra> henn_tech, there is a spec for an edubuntu-kde metapackage
[08:35] <ogra> but since i have no clue about kde (and dont plan to learn it) and nobody stepped up to do the work yet it isnt happened yet
[08:35] <ogra> henn_tech, any contribution to that is appreciated :)
[08:36] <henn_tech> ogra; lol, i wish i could
[08:37] <ogra> henn_tech, i didnt mean you should, but if you run into people that might have the skills i wont refuse any contribution here ;(
[08:37] <ogra> err
[08:37] <ogra> ;)
[08:37] <ogra> its just that we dont have any kde people in edubuntu ...
[08:37] <LaserJock> and it's difficult to maintain 2 DEs
[08:37] <ogra> right
[08:38] <henn_tech> ok. so it would have to be seperate project, basically?
[08:38] <ogra> no
[08:38] <LaserJock> henn_tech: would an educational Addon CD that would install the "edu" stuff on top of Kubuntu be sufficient?
[08:39] <ogra> we have a spec to define a edubuntu-kde metapackage
[08:39] <ogra> it will be as official as edubuntu-desktop
[08:39] <ogra> so you can install that and it turns your edubuntu into a kde system
[08:40] <ogra> we wont make official kde CDs, but if someone in the community makes a kde based CD with that nobody will cmplain
[08:40] <henn_tech> LaserJock, ogra; both of those could work. the problem lies in not always having network hooked up to all of the computers. so, CDs are our best installation mediums
[08:41] <LaserJock> henn_tech: in 7.04 we added a Classroom Server Addon CD
[08:41] <henn_tech> ogra; you don't have to get the metapackage from synaptic?
[08:42] <LaserJock> that has a bunch of the educational applications
[08:42] <LaserJock> henn_tech: yes, but you can put it all on a CD
[08:43] <sbalneav> Is this back to the idea of edubuntu ceasing to be a distro in itself, and rather an addon disk?
[08:43] <LaserJock> not yet
[08:44] <sbalneav> ok
[08:44] <LaserJock> but since we already provide KDE Edu on the Addon CD
[08:44] <LaserJock> it should be pretty easy to have an edubuntu-kde metapackage on there that pulls in some more
[08:44] <sbalneav> yep
[08:44] <henn_tech> LaserJock; sounds like all i need is the Classroom Server Addon CD then?
[08:44] <sbalneav> Have we got the edubuntu ltsp server tasksel working yet, so that it builds the chroot?
[08:45] <LaserJock> henn_tech: well, what specifically are you wanting to add?
[08:47] <henn_tech> LaserJock; mostly the KDE core and all of its config and admin (KDE Control Center). That's all that's needed
[08:48] <LaserJock> henn_tech: are you wanting LTSP?
[08:48] <sbalneav> henn_tech: You could always just install edubuntu, then do an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, I beleieve
[08:49] <LaserJock> yes
[08:49] <henn_tech> LaserJock; it wouldn't hurt
[08:49] <LaserJock> sbalneav:  that would require a Kubuntu alt disc or I think maybe the DVD
[08:49] <LaserJock> if you don't have a net connection
[08:50] <sbalneav> Sure, just add the disk to your sources.list
[08:50] <henn_tech> so if i don't have a net connection, i can use the Kubuntu disc?
[08:50] <sbalneav> That should work.
[08:50] <sbalneav> A quick bit of experimentation would prove it for sure :)
[08:50] <henn_tech> add the disc to the repositories?
[08:51] <sbalneav> Sure.  You'll have a line in your /etc/apt/sources.list that looks like:
[08:51] <sbalneav> deb cdrom:[Edubuntu 7.04 _Feisty Fawn_ - Release i386 Binary-1 (20070415)] / fei
[08:51] <sbalneav> sty main restricted
[08:52] <LaserJock> make sure it is an Alternate disk though
[08:52] <LaserJock> the Desktop CDs won't work
[08:52] <sbalneav> Just add the one for a Kubuntu (not sure what it is off the top of my head).
[08:52] <sbalneav> right, alternate.
[08:52] <henn_tech> ok, thanks guys
[08:52] <henn_tech> i'll give it a try
[08:53] <LaserJock> hmm
[08:54] <LaserJock> yeah, I think an Edubuntu install + kubuntu-desktop should be good
[08:54] <sbalneav> Two step install, but bearable
[08:54] <LaserJock> as long as you aren't low on hard drive space, as you will end up with both Gnome and KDE
[08:54] <sbalneav> yep
[08:54] <sbalneav> Anything over 6 gigs should fit
[08:55] <henn_tech> lol
[08:56] <henn_tech> some of these computers only have 3gigs of storage
[08:56] <sbalneav> That's gonna be a little tight.
[08:56] <sbalneav> simplest: try it and see what the space is.
[08:56] <sbalneav> Not gonna cost you anything to try :)
[08:57] <henn_tech> that's right
[08:57] <LaserJock> I think it should end up around 2.5GB
[09:00] <henn_tech> do a minimal install.. or server, and apt-get install kubuntu-desktop from command-line?
[09:01] <henn_tech> are there any minidisks?
[09:01] <LaserJock> well, you can do a minimal install from the Edubuntu Classroom Server CD
[09:02] <LaserJock> I think it's the "Command line" option at the first screen
[09:02] <henn_tech> k
[09:02] <henn_tech> thank you for all the info :)
[09:03] <henn_tech> have a good one
[10:02] <LaserJock> ogra!
[10:02] <LaserJock> ogra: I forgot about my original question for you this morning
[10:02] <LaserJock> I was working on tuxpaint and I see a lot of .po diff in the Ubuntu debdiff
[10:03] <LaserJock> how is that generated?
[10:05] <ogra> likely by debuian/rules clean target
[10:06] <LaserJock> ogra: tuxpaint-stamps does, but I don't see anything in tuxpaint
[10:07] <ogra> look for update-po
[10:07] <ogra> (or so)
[10:07] <LaserJock> I think last time I merged it I just applied the existing diff
[10:56] <LaserJock> ogra: hmmm, I still don't know where the po/pot diff comes from in tuxpaint, and it didn't create it in clean:
[10:57] <ogra> hmm
[10:57] <ogra> let me grab the source
[11:02] <ogra> i see abunch of msgfmt calls in the makefile
[11:02] <ogra> hmm
[11:05] <LaserJock> ogra: perhaps there shouldn't be any diff to start with?
[11:05] <ogra> nothing in the debian dir that even remotely handles .po
[11:05] <LaserJock> nope
[11:05] <LaserJock> last time when I merged it I just saw that in the .diff.gz
[11:05] <LaserJock> and I think I asked you about it and you said to just apply it
[11:06] <ogra> yeah
[11:08] <LaserJock> but it had to have been generated at some point
[11:08] <LaserJock> and I'd *like* to make sure that strings haven't changed with a new upstream release
[11:11] <ogra> actually its only in the makefile ... i dont understand how it can end up in the diff.gz
[11:14] <yeipi> hi dudes :)
[11:15] <LaserJock> ogra: ok, I found the version it comes in
[11:15] <yeipi> I got a question ... how can I disable the secure ltsp "way" for allowing really ppor clients (160 mhz of cpu) to run more faster edubuntu? Thanks
[11:15] <LaserJock> I grabbed the diff.gz from Launchpad
[11:16] <LaserJock> ogra: the po diff is introduced in 0.9.15b-3ubuntu1
[11:16] <LaserJock> which was Edgy's version
[11:18] <LaserJock> ogra: I'm guessing something just happened when you merged it, dies that sound reasonable?
[11:22] <yeipi> is there a place where I can get some help? This channel looks like a developers' channel.
[11:24] <LaserJock> yeipi: no, this is fine
[11:24] <yeipi> I was asking this because of this: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/server-hw.html#id2789456
[11:24] <LaserJock> yeipi: I was just doing a little chatting
[11:24] <LaserJock> yeipi: yeah, I seem to remember an option for that
[11:25] <yeipi> hey cool :)
[11:25] <yeipi> we have pretty limitated pcs :/
[11:25] <yeipi> that's why Im trying to find some ways of improve the performance of our clients...
[11:26] <LaserJock> yeah, that's pretty low
[11:26] <yeipi> like "disable ltsp secured connections"
[11:26] <LaserJock> yeah, there's an option that tells ssh to not use encryption
[11:27] <LaserJock> yeipi: ogra would know but he's in a conference right now so he's kinda coming-and-going
[11:28] <yeipi> hehe Ok LaserJock ;) I'll wait him, thank you. :)
[11:31] <LaserJock> hmm, yeah, I just can't find anything on it
[11:32] <yeipi> yep :/
[11:32] <LaserJock> yeipi: you could also email the edubuntu-users mailing list
[11:32] <LaserJock> there are several helpful people there
[11:34] <yeipi> hm Ok Im going to suscribe to the list :)
[11:35] <LaserJock> excellent ;-)
[11:43] <yeipi> hi ogra
[11:43] <yeipi> ping ogra
[11:43] <yeipi> I wanted to ask you something....
[11:44] <yeipi> where is the option that tells ssh to not use encryption? (I wanna run edubuntu on clients that are really poor on cpu and ram)
[11:45] <yeipi> and in this url http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/server-hw.html#id2789456  is said that exits a way to run on slower PCs
[11:45] <yeipi> but don't know where is an option for that. ...
[11:47] <yeipi> well Im just going to send my question to the list :)
[11:53] <ogra> LaserJock, i wonder how that happened
[11:54] <ogra> yeipi, hey
[11:55] <LaserJock> ogra: so should I just drop the po diff?
[11:55] <ogra> i dont understand how it even gets in the sourecepackage ....
[11:56] <ogra> there is nothing that could pull it into the diff.gz
[11:56] <LaserJock> I don't know either
[11:56] <LaserJock> unless there was some mixup between files in the merge
[11:57] <LaserJock> so like you accidently had the previous version's po/ directory in the new source package
[11:57] <LaserJock> but don't ask me how that would happen :-)
[11:57] <ogra> i mean i dont understand what puts them in there if i run dpkg-buildpackage
[11:57] <ogra> there is no code thats doing that
[11:58] <ogra> oh, dont listen to me
[11:58] <ogra> im jetlagged atm ... indeed, its not in the orig
[11:58] <ogra> does the tgz have them ?
[11:59] <ogra> network is up and down here as well all the time, grr
[12:00] <ogra> since oscon started next door the conference center situation go pretty bad
[12:00] <LaserJock> ogra: it's the diff.gz that has the diff
[12:00] <ogra> yeah
[12:00] <ogra> cant think atm
[12:01] <ogra> way to tired ....
[12:01] <LaserJock> no problem, I remember being a bit tired at Sevilla ;-)
[12:01] <ogra> yeah and that direction is even worse
[12:01] <ogra> and i was only here for three days ... flying out tomorrow moring again
[12:02] <LaserJock> ugg
[12:02] <LaserJock> so, I'm going to drop the po diff
[12:02] <LaserJock> as I don't see where it came from and it looks to me like it was unintentional
[12:03] <ogra> if the tgz has it ...
[12:03] <ogra> i think i took the plain mom merge back then
[12:04] <ogra> anyway, need coffee to keep eyes open ...
[12:04] <LaserJock> hmm, weird
[12:06] <lmveloso> Hi ogra, you are my GSoC project's mentor. I know you are a busy guy but can we talk a bit now?
[12:08] <lmveloso> I want to share with you a google doc where I put my daily summary, todo and project plans, so you can take a look when you can.
[12:10] <LaserJock> ogra: the Ubuntu .diff.gz is the only thing with po diff