=== nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:nixternal] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! http://merges.ubuntu.com | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs === apachelogger_ [n=me@N738P022.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:06] I think we have some broken KDE after todays updates [02:10] Some broken KDE? [02:11] ya, my Konqui keeps locking up now..but it may not be kdebase related, seeing only one thing was changed, and it has nothing to do with konqui or anything else...just mounting stuff [02:11] and notify-send stopped working [02:11] Hal? [02:12] I don't see any hal changes though === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.111.214] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:04] nixternal: ping [03:04] pong [03:05] im gonna be in chicago over the weekend- til tuesday [03:05] next weekend? [03:05] this coming [03:06] hrmm...I will be out of town with my daughter this weekend :( [03:06] how bout mon or tues? [03:06] tuesday I will be back around, I have class from 12 to 5 [03:06] maybe monday? [03:07] daytime? [03:07] possibly === erovore [n=j@c-76-22-137-36.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === scotty [n=scotty@unaffiliated/scotty] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A72106.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:23] NIght!@! === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:16] nixternal: im here, im away from home for 4 weeks give or take and fighting connection issues but i think i won, im out for night === lontra [n=lontra@c-75-72-235-37.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === stdin_ [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:29] anyone with gutsy able to reproduce bug 127876 [06:29] Launchpad bug 127876 in kdebase "Konqueror and Adobe Flashplayer - Konqui locks up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127876 === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-50-86.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #kubuntu-devel === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #kubuntu-devel === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54954C7D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger [n=me@N738P022.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-150-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-50-86.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-50-86.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-50-86.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === saispo [n=saispo@ryu.zarb.org] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:14] hi [09:15] can i suggest something about Depends on kubuntu-desktop ? === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Stecchino [n=bart@d54C56F83.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger_ [n=me@N892P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-50-86.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-50-86.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === never|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-50-86.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mikkael [n=michael@p54B08B8C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:04] i know gutsy got a new splash screen, with another color scheme, i saw this on screenshots on some sites, so i upgraded from feisty some time ago (tribe 1) and the new spalsh isnt here :( === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-50-86.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:09] mikkael, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade [10:09] aka [10:10] upgrade ;) [10:10] lol === glatzor [n=renate@p549765C3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-50-86.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:22] that doesnt do the trick [10:22] btw whats dselect-upgrade ? === Hobbsee waves [10:24] jdong: you know there's a new ktorrent? === sahin_w [n=KT@210.216.53.194] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mikkael [n=michael@p54B08B8C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === jpetso [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-49-21.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:49] saispo: what was the suggestion? [10:49] Hobbsee: hmmm, i think i'm wrong [10:49] it's about avahi-autoipd [10:50] i think you may push it in Suggests, not in Depends [10:50] Riddell: it was my birthday on the 22nd, yes [10:50] Hobbsee: congratulations [10:50] ;0 [10:50] * :) [10:50] Riddell: i'm old now :P [10:52] saispo: what makes you say that? [10:52] because it creates a default route with a metric 1000 on the first network interfaces [10:54] saispo: we're changing it now [10:54] ok === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:57] mhb: are you following the kde discussions about delaying the release of kde 4? [10:58] ou est tonio? [10:59] I wonder if I can just upload kdesudo without him [10:59] mhb: currently, the metapackages only contain packages in main. there is talk of this changing, with ubuntu-studio, etc. [10:59] mhb: with that being changed, kubuntu kde4 unsupported ( in the way that ubuntu-studio and xubuntu are) is presumably fine. [11:00] assuming that apt bug gets fixed, too === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger === scotty [n=scotty@70-41-130-124.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-49-21.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Zerlinna [n=mirjam@136.49.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Zerlinna [n=mirjam@136.49.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === Tonio_ [n=tonio@194.3.40.161] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-49-21.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === contrast83 [n=mike@adsl-074-236-242-009.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:38] Greets, everyone... [11:39] Can someone help me get KDE 4 running under Gutsy? I followed the instructions here - http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha1.php - and it just crashes my X session and returns me to the login screen when I try logging in to the KDE 4 session. === Tonio_ [n=tonio@194.3.40.161] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:41] contrast83: try installing alpha 2 packages from feisty-backports [11:41] Hobbsee: no, I don't follow those discussions [11:41] Riddell: is that local problem on my machine or is openoffice broken ? [11:41] Riddell: I noticed nspluginviewer is broken the same way [11:41] I suspect a problem with yesterdays libs upload [11:41] Riddell: btw, tested kdesudo, everything is just perfect except the missing -n functionnality [11:42] I've not upgraded since tribe 3 [11:42] Tonio_: we should upload kdesudo then, do you want to do it or I? [11:43] Riddell: I'll do it [11:43] Riddell: Umm... Ok. So uninstall everything I already installed (I should clarify - I installed from the Gutsy repo, not the one on that page), then add the feisty backports repo and install kde4base-dev package from that? [11:43] Riddell: I'll also release a tarball on kde-apps this we [11:43] contrast83: if you installed from gutsy then that's alpha 2 [11:43] Riddell: I'l prepare the package during lunch so that you and Hobbsee can review it today :) [11:44] Tonio_: want me to write the main inclusion report? [11:44] Riddell: did you clean your code from the debu things or not ? [11:44] Riddell: would be nice yes ;) [11:44] Tonio_: I did yes, it should be good to merge my branch [11:44] Riddell: will do thanks :) [11:44] Riddell: is that ooo problem a known one or should I report ? [11:45] Riddell: Yeah, that's what I did. I've got 3.91.0 installed, and I followed the directions for setting up a seperate session. [11:45] Tonio_: no idea, ask calc (when he wakes up) [11:45] contrast83: do individual applications work? [11:45] Riddell: ok [11:46] Riddell: Sorry, how would I find that out if I can't get into the KDE 4 session? [11:46] Riddell: why a copying.lib file ? [11:46] contrast83: set the environment variables and run from a command line (under kde 3) [11:46] Riddell: there is no lib nore 2 licences [11:46] Tonio_: files in admin/ are LGPL [11:46] Hobbsee: are those discussions on the internet? [11:46] Riddell: oops, true :) [11:46] mhb: kde-release mailing list I expect [11:47] mhb: although it was also discussed over a stuffed crust with sweetcorn in Pizza Hut [11:47] Riddell: Will I have a hard time setting those env. variables back to normal (given I'm somewhat of a newb :-\ )? [11:47] contrast83: no, you'd just close the terminal [11:48] Oh ok. Thanks, one sec... === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEF759.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:51] Riddell: Yeah, individual programs start [11:53] Any ideas why the KDE 4 session would be crashing X? [11:54] nope [11:54] hard to debug too [11:54] contrast83: do you have kde4base-dev installed? [11:54] yeah [11:55] Hobbsee: I'm reading through the kde-release-team ML and I'm starting to believe that following those discussions is close to impossible :o) [11:55] try installing xserver-xephyr and running a session in that === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-49-21.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:56] Hobbsee: the whole "gamma" concept sounds rather confusing to me, but it's probably me :o) === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-49-21.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:04] Riddell: Was just looking back over the instructions. I misread something, my (stupid) mistake. Thanks anyway for your help though === hunger_t is now known as hunger === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-49-21.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:21] Tonio_: I made another commit to kdesudo you could merge in === claydoh__ [n=claydoh@66-252-49-21.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:26] kdesudo: MainInclusionReportKdesudo [12:26] kiosktool: MainInclusionReportKiosktool [12:26] made [12:28] Tonio_: have you contacted the original author at all? === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:36] Riddell: I did, no response to the mail === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:38] fair enough === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:39] Riddell: oki, I'll merge your changes [12:39] Riddell: should my name appear ? I mean I'm not coding on it :) mhb did most of the job [12:39] about the copyright file I mean [12:40] Tonio_: you could put in all the copyright lines I put in kdesudo.cpp [12:40] Tonio_: that's silly [12:40] mhb: it's the one after the alpha and betas [12:40] yes, the release team ML [12:40] Tonio_: cool [12:41] I missed out stefan since he didn't commit with a useful e-mail [12:41] mhb: what's silly ? :) [12:42] Tonio_: my work on kdesudo wasn't that great === claydoh__ [n=claydoh@66-252-49-21.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:43] mhb: mine wasn't too :) [12:44] Hobbsee: the way I understand it "gamma" = final, but not ready for common users [12:44] mhb: I just fixed the code needed so that the old code worked on modern sudo [12:44] nothing else [12:44] mhb: i think so. well, where most of the apps are mostly ready === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-49-21.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:48] Riddell: kio-umountwrapper is in main [12:48] Riddell: we should change the seeds to install it [12:49] Tonio_: i did [12:50] Riddell: you rock :) [12:50] :) [12:50] Riddell: merged your changes and uploading kdesudo === meduxa [n=agustin@213.231.80.16.static.user.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:53] Tonio_: we have 2.0 final of knm in our repos? [12:53] or only a SVN snapshot? [12:53] Hobbsee: svn, I have to update the package :) [12:53] Hobbsee: feel free to do it [12:53] Tonio_: woo! [12:53] Tonio_: i'll have a look === meduxa [n=agustin@213.231.80.16.static.user.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:00] hmmm. this would help if i could actually find the original tarball [01:01] oh, here we are [01:04] right. apparently the file doesnt exist [01:05] Riddell: btw, do you have plans for creating a kde4 metapackage, to bring in all the needed bits? === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-49-21.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:10] Hobbsee: kde4base seems to do well === meduxa [n=agustin@213.231.80.16.static.user.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:10] Riddell: ah right === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:24] /build/buildd/krusader-1.80.0/./krusader/Dialogs/krdialogs.cpp:183: error: call of overloaded 'KDialogBase()' is ambiguous [01:24] hmmm.... === Hobbsee wonders if that's due to kdesudo patching [01:32] I'd expect so [01:32] hasn't that patch been removed? === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-49-21.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-49-21.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:37] i thought so, but...perhaps not === ScottK [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-49-21.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@lapex-mcallee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:50] Riddell: it had been rewrote by _StefanS_ [01:51] Riddell: I tested it with an amarok build, it worked.... [01:51] Riddell: so there is still a kdelibs patch for kdesudo [01:51] Riddell: we can remove it atm, since the client patch has been removed too [01:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: it has been rewritten [01:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and I haven't any problems with it [01:54] <_StefanS_> haven't had any.. [01:59] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: are you running a full updated gutsy ? [01:59] _StefanS_: yes [01:59] _StefanS_: that was on a buildd [01:59] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: let me try it [01:59] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: is krusader in the package database? [02:00] _StefanS_: it's a sync from debian, the source will be on a.u.c, yes [02:00] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: so how can I test it? [02:00] _StefanS_: [02:00] _StefanS_: apt-get source krusader, and build it? [02:00] <_StefanS_> ok [02:00] _StefanS_: nobody says it's your fault :) [02:00] <_StefanS_> I wasn't sure [02:00] _StefanS_: I know it was reuploaded, I did the upload hehe [02:01] Hobbsee: is your pbuilder cache up to date ? [02:01] Hobbsee: can cause the issue too [02:01] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I know ;) - I just curious to fix it, if there's any probs [02:01] Tonio_: true, but i didnt build it here. [02:01] Tonio_: that's on the launchpad buildds [02:02] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: how do you buil dit ? [02:02] debuild -rfakeroot, to build it on your system [02:02] otherwise with a pbuilder [02:04] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: forgot I reinstalled... devscripts, cdbs and stuff is kinda needed ;) [02:05] hehe, yes :) === apachelogger [n=me@N892P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:05] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: its building.. lets se [02:05] <_StefanS_> see === Stecchino [n=bart@d54C56F83.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:07] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: argh... I see your point [02:07] heh === ScottK2 [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Stecchino [n=bart@d54C56F83.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: lets just drop this whole kdesudo fade.. I cant really see how we're going to fix it. [02:08] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: too bad.. but we cant have apps that wont build [02:16] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: try doing editing this file for testing: /usr/include/kde/kdialogbase.h : line 279, change 'WFlags f=WType_Popup', to 'WFLags f' and rebuild [02:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I might have a fix [02:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I will test with kdebase now [02:17] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: krusader builds fine now on my installation. [02:17] great [02:18] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: try the patch thingy, and let me know how it goes. === Hobbsee is intending to head to bed RSN [02:19] probably after i look at this mozilla stuff, though [02:19] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: alright, I will coordinate with Tonio_ to get the update out then [02:19] great, thanks === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK === marseillai_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-105-231.w90-36.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:29] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee, Tonio_: the updated patch in your mailbox(es) [02:29] <_StefanS_> in/is in [02:29] yay! === _StefanS_ needs some glasses [02:29] _StefanS_: will test toonight, not before :) [02:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sweet. [02:30] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: be sure to bug me if things go bad. btw: the fade and your problem, i'm not sure how we could fix it. I have tried setting 0L as the parent window, but I dont know if that changes anything on your setup .. [02:30] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: still works on mine no matter what I do.. [02:31] <_StefanS_> gotta run. [02:34] Riddell, ping [02:37] hi viviersf === tmske_ [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387D3DC.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:46] _StefanS_: well the point is that I probably won't commit the patch if there is a risk it just makes kdesudo unusable for some people [02:46] Riddell, Hobbsee feel free to review kdesudo :) === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:07] Did somebody actually think through the implications for support of installing gdebi by default in kubuntu-desktop or did that just slip in? [03:08] isn't there a gdebi-kde package? [03:09] There is and it's a recommends in kubuntu-desktop for Gutsy. [03:09] Which gets installed by default. [03:09] the problem with support and gdebi is? [03:09] oh, unofficial packages? === ScottK predicts that people will not easily understand that when they go clickety, clickety using tools that are installed by default, they've just installed some random crack that's even more dangerous than backports. [03:10] Yeah. That's the only kind you need it for. [03:10] let us remove dpkg -i too then [03:10] sometimes test debs, etc [03:11] Sure, but you know what you are doing. [03:11] Maybe I'm just a curmudgeon, but I think making installing random software from outside the packaging system too easy is not a good idea. === jpetso [n=jpetso@chello062178070021.24.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:11] It kind of gets past the entire point of having a distribution. [03:12] yes, but curbing users isnt a brilliant idea either [03:12] ScottK: IIRC, gdebi-kde and gdebi shows a warning [03:12] there are positives and negatives [03:13] Not including gdebi in the repos would be curbing the users. Not installing it by default means you have to take a positive decision to wonder off the reservation. [03:13] mhb: People don't read the warnings. They just clickety, clickety. [03:15] ScottK: get packing. In order to solve this, we're sending you on an around-the-world trip to educate users. No expenses paid. [03:15] Heh. [03:16] I think I'm also particularly annoyed as upgrading to Gutsy changed system behavior in a negative way for me (not that it would matter to 99% of people), but I liked that clicking on a .deb in Konqueror fired off ark. === ScottK spends enough time triaging bugs caused by automatix already. [03:17] OK. I guess it's been thought through and decided. [03:17] Back to work. [03:18] ScottK: well, if they ignore the warning, we cannot do anything else but believe they know what they're doing [03:18] ScottK: we had several bug reports about not being able to install packages this way. [03:19] ScottK: lol you've seen the bottom of the forum right? [03:19] Well that's a good reason to have it in the repositories. [03:19] jdong: No. [03:19] it's gone now :) [03:19] but was hilarious while it lasted [03:19] What was that? [03:19] we added a "most searched keywords" statistic [03:19] and someone search-bombed "AUTOMATIX SUCKS" [03:20] Ah. [03:20] jdong: hahahaha, nice === ScottK wonders why you removed it then? [03:20] ScottK: if we left it there for too long we would've gotten complaints... [03:20] Anything that sigkills dpkg does. [03:20] ScottK: and of course you can set it to open with Ark, can't you? [03:20] ScottK: I'm pretty sure you can do that in KDE [03:20] ScottK: you have heard abotu the upgrader and automatix and friends, havent you? [03:21] Yes. I can and I did and I also realize that's just my own personal bit. [03:21] Hobbsee: Are you saying that by including gdebi in a default install you think it make it less likely those even more crackish solutions will get used? [03:22] ScottK: not necessarily [03:22] OK. Not sure what your point was then? [03:22] ScottK: but for things like virtualbox, where it's not in commercial yet [03:22] oh, it was just a comment in reference to your comment about the automatix bugs [03:22] Ah. [03:22] OK. [03:23] Good reasons to have it in the repos, but I still fear the consequences of having it installed by default. [03:23] ScottK: one more thing: you should have thought before the implementation of gdebi-kde started. Not including it in the default install could make the author unhappy. [03:23] ScottK: *thought about it [03:23] Hobbsee: thanks for headsup on new ktorrent... do you know if Tonio_ is planning to package it? [03:23] I don't want to duplicate effort again :D [03:23] jdong: no idea, havent heard [03:24] Well I didn't know it was installed by default until I clicked on a .deb and it fired off. [03:24] mhb: then again, we had people in #kubuntu bitching about the bash --> dash change, a full year after it had been implemented... [03:24] Still comes up. [03:25] Hobbsee: I think we should spice things up.... pick a different /bin/sh every release :D [03:25] mhb: speaking of, do you have a reduced test case for the python-kde problem that I can use to replicate it? [03:25] jdong: hehe [03:25] tbh, of all the shells that act as /bin/sh emulators, bash seems to be the WORST at compliance [03:25] Maybe put a random number generator behind the /bin/sh symlink and have it change on every boot? [03:25] ScottK: lol exactly... [03:26] sh candidates are already loaded in debconf [03:27] ScottK: no, but I'll create one right up [03:28] mhb: Great. I diffed the works/doesn't work versions and I got a few hints. [03:37] ScottK: I finished it, uploading to that bug [03:37] OK. I'll have a look. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:40] mhb: Which bug? [03:41] bug 117731 I guess [03:41] Launchpad bug 117731 in python-kde3 "Python crashes after attaching pty to a konsole kpart" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117731 [03:42] mhb: Thanks. Turns out konqueror was doing too good a job at caching my content. === marseillai_ is now known as marseillai [03:44] mhb: I see you're determined to make sure I keep gdebi-kde installed ;-) [03:45] ScottK: no, it's gdebi-kde independent [03:46] ScottK: perhaps I forgot to remove the "import" clause, feel free to do so [03:46] Ah. I didn't look at the code. I'll do that. Thanks. [03:46] It did crash, so I've marked it triaged... [03:52] ScottK: uploaded the fixed gd-test.py script [03:52] THanks. [03:52] you're welcome, thanks for working on it [03:59] Well poop.. The Kate treeview plugin, which I successfully packaged, doesn't work with anything but local files. [03:59] I'll stick that in the almost-but-not-quite-useful list. [03:59] don't worry, nobody but a developer needs an extra window with a list of files [04:00] the fact that we ship kate like that makes me not use it [04:00] kwwii: how would you prefer it? [04:00] kwwii: I'm not working on these plugin packages for anybody but myself right now :) [04:01] kwwii: I know a lot of folks wish kate was simplified, and I don't mind that idea at all. I just think we should have more developer plugins for it, too. [04:01] simplified how? [04:02] Riddell: without the file view on the left [04:02] Riddell: They don't like having all the document listing, file viewers, etc. [04:02] i don't like having the document view on by default for kate either [04:02] then you couldn't see what files you had opened [04:02] it would be like konqueror without the tabs [04:02] it is a simple text editor, let's keep it that way be default [04:03] That is the rub. Kate is MDI. I think some folks wish it were SDI. [04:03] isn't kwrite for that? [04:03] kedit ;) [04:03] 99% of people do not open more than one file at a time anyway [04:03] kwwii: You do know that "kate" states for "KDE Advanced Text Editor," don't you? :P [04:03] perhaps I should just be using kwrite though [04:04] It's not a simple text editor :) [04:04] It's an advanced text editor. [04:04] heh [04:04] manchicken: nope, didn't know that and really don't care [04:04] kwwii: I think write == kate - tabs - other advanced functionality [04:04] kwrite [04:04] mhb: guess you are right [04:05] kwwii: i *regularly* open multiple files at a time. even in non-kubuntu stuff. [04:05] I was used to SUSE pushing kate in your face as the text editor [04:05] Hobbsee: however you, my dear, are a geek :p [04:05] kwwii: They really mistreated and abused you over there, huh? [04:05] kwwii: heh [04:05] kwwii: is that a good thing or a bad thing? [04:06] manchicken: it was horrible, people coming in my office to make sure I was using kate :-( [04:06] kwwii: It's okay buddy. It's okay. [04:06] kwwii: We can get through this, *sob*, together. [04:06] manchicken: don't worry, my therapist says I am getting better [04:06] kwwii: Good for you man. [04:06] heh [04:07] Which all reminds me, Bridge to Terabithia sucked. [04:07] kwwii: Don't let your girls watch that movie. [04:07] kwwii: You will get nothing but tears. [04:07] lol [04:07] my son said it was boring [04:07] (was it you who had girls?) [04:07] Ah, it was alle, wasn't it? [04:07] exactly [04:07] manchicken: Might have been me. I have 3. [04:07] I only have one son [04:08] There ya go. [04:08] kwwii: Yeah, for boys it was boring I bet. [04:08] kwwii: The girl died of stupidity. [04:09] manchicken: sounds like you have seen it several times [04:09] kwwii: No, I had to argue to my wife that it was a terrible movie. === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-56-184.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:09] hehe, luckily my wife doesn't watch many movies [04:10] dh_make has got to be the coolest program ever. === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:12] GEEK ALARM!!! [04:12] oh, wait, this is a devel channel anyway === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [04:13] I'm really hoping this kate ctags plugin works. [04:13] I could really use a ctags impl in kate. === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! http://merges.ubuntu.com | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | k3b 1.0.3 packager needed === lontra [n=lontra@c-75-72-235-37.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:14] hmmm. 'grab-merge.sh qcomicbook [04:14] Stupid wireless card. [04:14] hmmm. 'grab-merge.sh qcomicbook' should grab the debian and ubuntu files for the merge, right? [04:14] never heard of such a script [04:14] This house we're trying to buy has a nice open floor plan, with the living room and the office sharing a wall. [04:15] It'll be nice to finally be able to run wires. [04:15] ryanakca: yes [04:15] Riddell: it's to do with MoM. [04:16] Riddell: http://merges.ubuntu.com/grab-merge.sh [04:16] Hobbsee: ok. Any guesses why it's not grabing the files? [04:17] ryanakca: because the merge isnt listed on mom, i suspect === ryanakca points to qcomicbook on http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe-manual.html [04:18] I guess I'll just have to dget them manually :) [04:18] And of course the ctags plugin does not work. === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-56-184.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:25] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: thats fair enough :) === lontra [n=lontra@c-75-72-235-37.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180072147.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh__ [n=claydoh@66-252-56-184.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ScottK sets his laptop on a bag of ice so it won't overheat while test building a new kdebase. [04:58] Not kidding. [04:59] ..... [05:00] ScottK: how about a box fan or something? [05:00] Well the fundamental problem is Bug 127772. Hopefully it gets fixed. [05:00] Launchpad bug 127772 in linux-source-2.6.22 "CPU fan no longer runs after upgrade to Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127772 [05:01] As laptops go it's reasonably cool, so it runs fine unless I'm building a big package. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:02] haha, otherwise it does as mine does, probably [05:02] cant you just force the fan on in the bios? [05:06] I have ice. I don't have a box fan that wouldn't completely re-arrange my "carefully compiled" stacks of paper in the office. === ScottK listens in on the kernel team meeting on #ubuntu-meeting and waits for the "Please fix $MYPETBUG" section of the meeting. [05:11] ScottK: there is such a section? No wonder my kernel bugs never get fixed :o) === ScottK expects a long wait. === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-56-184.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:23] ScottK: I am noticing the same issue right now with my laptop [05:23] it is running 55c right now, but I guarantee it is on its way to 65c eventually [05:23] and this just started [05:23] Cool. Bug 127772 woulc use confirming. [05:23] Launchpad bug 127772 in linux-source-2.6.22 "CPU fan no longer runs after upgrade to Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127772 [05:24] normally it is between 45c and 48c === apachelogger_ [n=me@N784P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:25] nixternal: Do you sync your palm using bluetooth? [05:27] nope...can't afford blue tooth :) [05:27] usb === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [05:27] brb...gotta reboot this laptop after updates...says I am on battery power for some strange reason [05:32] kword needs better templates. === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:41] manchicken_: for kword templates, check www.kde-files.org [05:45] Why is openoffice acting so strangely? [05:46] It just shows its splash screen and then sucks CPU and memory. [05:50] I'll try running it under the command-line and see if that helps. [05:54] Yeah, openoffice.org is totally hosed for me. === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@mue-88-130-106-235.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:01] manchicken_: Hobbsee mentioned some trouble with it on #ubuntu-devel a while ago, but no new uploads recently to explain it. [06:01] You might ping calc over there and see. [06:07] hrmm...it seems the open office stuff just started doing this for me...I used it within the last few days I think [06:10] nixternal: libgtk2.0-0 seems to be broken at the moment. [06:10] well, I think the libgtk also fixed some other things as well :) [06:10] you break some, you fix some [06:10] or is that you win some, you lose some? [06:10] hehe === ScottK is just glad there's another hard drive for the laptop with Feisty on it. [06:11] well, today my cpu is staying 48c to 55c, which is typical between use and abuse, but I did just see a 60c here a minute or so ago, when I started up OOo to be exact [06:12] but I haven't heard my fan kick in at all [06:12] Well do that about 5 times and then see what happens... [06:12] was there something that would have caused this just recently? [06:12] I just noticed it yesterday for the first time [06:13] lots of people are complaining about openoffice [06:13] fan issue after kernel update? [06:13] I didn't see a kernel update yesterday though...unless it has been occurring and I just now noticed it [06:13] however, the temps right now are normal compared to yesterday [06:14] i updated 190+ yesterday as i was away all week and ther ewas a 2.6.22-8.*update but not sure when that was [06:14] yup, as soon as I open anything OOo, it goes up to 60c [06:15] and the fan seems to be running, just not full speed [06:15] err, how can you easily measure the temperature? [06:15] I use Kima [06:15] what are the OO.o complaints? it seems to work fine here [06:15] it is a kicker applet [06:15] !info kima [06:15] Package kima does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas [06:15] !info kima gutsy [06:15] kima: kicker monitoring applet. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.3.2-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 114 kB, installed size 448 kB [06:16] OK, it is in the gutsy repos...so you can either rebuild it for feisty, or just download it from kde-apps [06:16] nixternal: what makes you think I run feisty? [06:17] nixternal: anyway, thanks for the tip [06:17] well, that was a just in case...I didn't think you ran it, but posted the info just in case :) [06:17] nobody should be running feisty in this channel...if they are...well then ;) [06:17] nixternal: feisty with a gutsy chroot but i also run gutsy with feisty chroot [06:18] What the hell is up with people trying to discourage others from trying and using amd64? [06:18] manchicken_: cluelessness [06:18] I was discouraged as well [06:18] I think it's just a bunch of sods who weren't clever enough to figure it out, so now they see it as their life's mission to discourage anybody from using it. [06:18] you want to know why? [06:18] Why's that? [06:18] because flash won't work unless you setup a 32bit chroot [06:19] manchicken_: 64bit for gutsy has come a long way but as for 64 feisty its a beast to get gnash/and java working (i dont discourage anything) these are just thoughts [06:19] whoopy-freakin'-doo [06:19] That's not true at all. [06:19] gnomefreak: I've been using amd64 since edgy, and it works just fine. [06:19] same here [06:19] I even have had flash, java, codecs, all that stuff. [06:19] And I didn't even have to set up a chroot. [06:19] and the java works as well, as I have written code on the 64bit setup [06:19] I've never had to set up a 32-bit chroot. [06:20] Ever. [06:20]