[12:29] <humbolto> pwnguin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30990/
[12:31] <humbolto> how would I perform this update?
[12:33] <pwnguin> that is very odd
[12:34] <pwnguin> humbolto: i think the best way to upgrade to development is to burn a CD
[12:35] <pwnguin> the tribe CDs should at least be in a consistant enough state to upgrade
[12:35] <humbolto> pwnguin: somehow because the package is removed but the file can't, since if it would be removed, nothing would work anymore!
[12:35] <pwnguin> i think theres a --replace or something
[12:36] <pwnguin> if your system is compeltely unusable now, it might be simplest to just install from scratch from the CD
[12:36] <humbolto> pwnguin: can't use the cd because I would need the alternate cd (LVM) and this one is not in a consistant enough state to install my system (detect my cdrom).
[12:37] <pwnguin> hmm
[12:37] <humbolto> pwnguin: I have cloned my feisty for the reason mentioned above.
[12:37] <pwnguin> heres what you do
[12:37] <pwnguin> grab tribe one
[12:37] <pwnguin> and let update-manager find it
[12:37] <pwnguin> rather than update from the web, update from the cd
[12:37] <humbolto> And now I am trying to upgrade in chroot and if something goes wrong I re-rsync with the original feisty and try again!
[12:38] <humbolto> I see what you mean.
[12:38] <humbolto> And you think that really works? How would update-manager find it?
[12:38] <pwnguin> dbus
[12:39] <pwnguin> it works in ubuntu, donno about kubnutu
[12:39] <humbolto> Is that the dialog that pops up when I insert it into a running system?
[12:39] <pwnguin> i think so?
[12:39] <humbolto> where it says something about a package repository found?
[12:39] <pwnguin> i almost never upgrade that way ;)
[12:39] <pwnguin> sounds right
[12:39] <humbolto> I am pretty sure I will end up with the same shit.
[12:40] <humbolto> What might help is, if I could force dpkg to ignore the file already being there.
[12:40] <humbolto> but force-all does not do the trick!
[12:41] <pwnguin> libc sounds like a tricky library to install
[12:41] <humbolto> does the gui installer support LVM nowadays?
[12:42] <humbolto> at least using an existing setup?
[12:42] <pwnguin> afaik, it uses gparted
[12:42] <humbolto> which does not support lvm
[12:42] <pwnguin> but that's for editing partitions
[12:42] <pwnguin> have you tried updating from cd yet?
[12:43] <humbolto> there was a blueprint about lvm support in feisty once, but I think if finally did not get implemented.
[12:43] <humbolto> not yet ... rsyncing still
[12:52] <pwnguin> hmm. my laptop just beeped at me when i closed the lid
[12:54] <Pici> Yes.
[12:55] <Pici> It does that.  There was a message in the changelogs a few weeks ago that the beep was turned on for testing.  I assume that it will be gone for live.
[12:55] <pwnguin> well, since i cant get the lcd panel back on
[12:55] <pwnguin> what's it mean?
[12:56] <Pici> Um, that you closed the lid.
[12:56] <pwnguin> that's it?
[12:56] <pwnguin> i could have checked acpid already reports that =/
[12:57] <pwnguin> i figured it was some suspend thing
[12:58] <Pici> pwnguin: I think thats it...
[12:59] <Pici> trtrstno1
[12:59] <pwnguin> nice
[12:59] <Pici> iepwajfpiewa
[01:00] <Pici> that wasnt good
[01:00] <pwnguin> pica@desktop:~$
[01:02] <pwnguin> ah "emit a sound when the lid changes state, which i need for debugging"
[01:03] <Pici> Yep, thats it.
[01:03] <humbolto> pwnguin: on cd insert a dialog came up which added the cd to sources.list. but update-manager does not seem to pickup anything.
[01:04] <pwnguin> humbolto: you might still need to enable the development version stuff
[01:07] <humbolto> pwnguin: how?
[01:08] <pwnguin> humbolto: i forget exactly but i think it's like update-manager -c -d
[01:08] <rjek> Right, the root cause appears to be that echo "mem" > /sys/power/state does nothing other than not return to the prompt.
[01:08] <pwnguin> /sys/power/state has been broken for me lately
[01:09] <pwnguin> at least, in feisty
[01:32] <humbolto> Something is terribly wrong with all those newer 2.6 kernels! They get slower and slower. And just nobody realizes it because hardware gets faster and faster. But go ahead and try to install gutsy on a 800mhz crusoe with 240mb ram. You will be surprised how slow that is!
[01:32] <rjek> Computer software gets twice as slow every 18 months.
[01:33] <humbolto> I had better performance with debian sarge and breezy than I have now with gutsy. And that is already true for the installers!
[01:34] <humbolto> I am asking myself, if my previous installations have been as slow as feisty is right now on my old vaio picturebook, how could I ever have worked on it?
[01:35] <rjek> I often wonder such.
[01:36] <humbolto> This is especially true for KDE in kubuntu! I used to work on that hardware under KDE. Now I can not even use it anymore! I used to watch movies, ... No way now.
[01:36] <mrsno__> humbolto did you try a self compiled kernel ? to see if thats it
[01:36] <humbolto> I think some of that performance loss might be based on the ide devices now being handled by sata somehow and that kind of layer stacking bullshit.
[01:37] <rjek> Neither KDE nor GNOME have got the right idea.  KDE adds useless features constantly bloating itself, and GNOME removes all the useful ones.
[01:37] <humbolto> mrsno__: what would that change?
[01:37] <rjek> IDE devices are now handled through libata, not sata.  If anything, it's faster than it used to be.
[01:38] <mrsno__> well it at least starts to troubleshoot things humbolto i think, instead of saying its slower, find out why :)
[01:38] <crimsun> (um, libata is one form of sata...)
[01:38] <humbolto> rjek: but that is not it. This is not a KDE issue. Since KDE didn't have any major release for so long, there are no new fancy features since I last ran it with usable speed.
[01:38] <DanaG> Nice quote:   "Neither KDE nor GNOME have got the right idea.  KDE adds useless features constantly bloating itself, and GNOME removes all the useful ones."
[01:39] <humbolto> mrsno__: I might try a vanilla kernel.
[01:39] <mrsno__> humbolto have you tried disabling any services? there is a few things you could look into really
[01:40] <mrsno__> just be glad its not vista ;)
[01:40] <mrsno__> does the same and less! and slows things down
[01:40] <humbolto> mrsno__: hey, it is already slow like hell on the live CD! booting takes 10 minutes, starting the installer app takes 4 and getting from the first page to the second another 2 or even more!
[01:40] <humbolto> mrsno__: never tried.
[01:40] <humbolto> mrsno__: and never will.
[01:41] <mrsno__> humbolto a livecd will only launch as quick as your ide cdrom really, i created a usb bootable drive and responsiveness is much quicker (or hd install)
[01:41] <mrsno__> maybe its running pio mode or lower udma mode than it supports?
[01:41] <humbolto> mrsno__: it is a firewire cdrom
[01:42] <humbolto> mrsno__: but hdd performance certainly decreased as well.
[01:42] <DanaG> Oh, Vista is painful if you try Symantec.
[01:42] <DanaG> It's worse than being on an old P2 laptop.
[01:42] <mrsno__> humbolto well its hard to say really without more information, whilst i agree that newer software can and generally does slow things down, i haven't really experienced such in ubuntu, quite the opposite really
[01:42] <humbolto> mrsno__: nowadays, as I mentioned above I am having trouble watching divx movies. Big trouble!!!
[01:42] <DanaG> Oh, and Intel's AHCI drivers may also be partly to blame.
[01:43] <DanaG> Oh, how can you boot from a firewire CD on a BIOS that doesn't support it?
[01:43] <mrsno__> divx used to require a 500MHz cpu but thesedays more is needed really :/ thats more down to the divx than os though
[01:43] <DanaG> The CDs could use an "eject the disk and let me move it" option.
[01:43] <humbolto> DanaG: ?? Vaio PCG C1-MHP
[01:44] <DanaG> Huh?
[01:45] <humbolto> DanaG: I can boot from it. And I used to be able to install from it, even ubuntu if I am not mistaken. But gutsy does boot but then can't mount the cd. That's another problem, does not have anything to do with performance.
[01:45] <humbolto> But mounting by hand works, by the way!
[01:45] <DanaG> My laptop doesn't support booting Firewire -- just USB.
[01:45] <DanaG> Oh, and LAN and internal busses, too.
[01:46] <humbolto> DanaG: So what do you mean, with the BIOS does not support it? The bios does support it certainly!
[01:46] <DanaG> MY laptop, I mean.
[01:47] <humbolto> How can I install an ubuntu-mobile image on my vaio if booting from USB is not supported?
[01:47] <humbolto> I go to sleep
[01:48] <humbolto> To late to knock my head against the wall.
[01:48] <humbolto> Have a good one you all!
[01:48] <mrsno__> humbolto tried a network install?
[01:48] <mrsno__> you would need another pc and a ubuntu cdrom (and some packages installed) but its quite easy
[01:48] <mrsno__> okay good nite :-)
[01:48] <humbolto> mrsno__: never mind.
[01:49] <ysth> maybe this falls under "unless you are familiar with dpkg...", but why, after installing Tribe 3, does it still want the cd when installing new packages?
[01:49] <crimsun> because your deb cdrom line is still active.
[01:50] <ysth> yes, but why would someone want it to be still active?
[01:50] <crimsun> ...because you installed it from a cd?
[01:50] <crimsun> local source is preferred to remote.  Make sense now?
[01:51] <ysth> only if there's much stuff on the cd that doesn't end up installed.
[01:51] <ysth> I guess I was just assuming there wasn
[01:51] <ysth> 't
[01:51] <ysth> installed by default, I mean
[01:52] <crimsun> well, let's put it this way.
[01:52] <crimsun> say you have a nic that doesn't have a native driver.  Would you want to attempt to pull down packages from the net or from the cd?
[01:53] <pwnguin> ooh
[01:53] <pwnguin> three beeps from power manager
[01:53] <pwnguin> too bad notification daemon died
[01:55] <ysth> poor thing seems to die a lot
[01:56] <crimsun> ...it's gutsy.  Stuff happens.
[01:56] <ysth> perhaps it didn't rtfm (http://xkcd.com)
[02:12] <rhoruns> woooot! i got ventrilo to work with linux!!! :D :D :D
[02:12] <rjek> Where are the kernel packages stored on archive.ubuntu.org?
[02:12] <rjek> I can't find them under pool/k or pool/l
[02:15] <mrsno__> pool/main/l/linux-meta perhaps rjek ?
[02:15] <rjek> Aha, thanks mrsno__
[02:15] <mrsno__> yw
[04:10] <fiveiron> ooo... i like the new background chooser
[04:25] <pwnguin> do desktops often lack the hardware to hibernate?
[04:25] <DanaG> Nope, hibernation should work for most modern systems, even desktops.
[04:26] <pwnguin> =/
[04:26] <DanaG> The real issues are configuration -- if it doesn't work, dig around in /etc/default/acpi-support and look at the things about VBE and video.
[04:26] <pwnguin> my feisty desktop doesn't hibernate
[04:26] <pwnguin> hal says it couldn't suspend
[04:26] <pwnguin> but if it's supposed to, i guess i'll put a bug in launchpad
[04:27] <pwnguin> basically, "disk" > /sys/power/state fails
[04:28] <pwnguin> so im not sure if this goes against acpi or the kernel
[04:35] <DanaG> Hmm, when you press the sleep button, what does it do?
[04:39] <DanaG> WTF?  gparted keeps crashing.  It doesn't give backtraces.
[04:41] <IntuitiveNipple> pwnguin: does kern.log show any devices refusing to suspend?
[04:47] <DanaG> Hmm, I've just deleted my Vista partition and now have a free 17 gig partition, closer to the start of the disk.
[04:47] <DanaG> Also, my root partition is precariously full.
[04:47] <DanaG> My question: what dir is best to move off of root?  /var or /usr?
[04:48] <IntuitiveNipple> var grows more unpredictably
[04:49] <DanaG> Is there a way to also put another dir, such as /mnt/, there?  I want to put my VMs there, and have them writeable by me.
[04:49] <DanaG> Or perhaps I just have to thing of something to put under /var that'll be memorable and meaningful.
[04:50] <masterloki> DanaG, try du -ch
[04:50] <DanaG> er, think.
[04:50] <masterloki> of each
[04:50] <masterloki> perhaps /opt or /usr
[04:50] <DanaG> I used filelight.  My /usr is way bigger.
[04:50] <masterloki>  /usr is very popular - tho what order are the partitions in
[04:50] <masterloki> ive found with 10gigs thats more than enough for /
[04:51] <masterloki> did you make seperate /home ? mine grows fast :P
[04:51] <DanaG> I have all my reeeally bulky media on an external drive, or in my 40-gig XP partition.
[04:51] <masterloki> !permissions
[04:51] <ubotu> The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[04:51] <masterloki> that should help on the dir permissions i think its usr/group/all
[04:52] <masterloki> and chown it to the user you want and chmod it to permissions you want
[04:52] <RAOF>  /var/VM :)
[04:52] <masterloki> neway ultra toothache going to bed sorry =[ hope that helps a tad
[04:52] <DanaG> or /usr/vm/
[04:52] <masterloki> RAOF, is ter god
[04:52] <masterloki> DanaG, or make a dir there and mvoe both and symlink em?
[04:52] <masterloki> grah ninie
[04:52] <RAOF> DanaG: /usr/VM isn't really a good one.  /usr is where software should be installed
[04:53] <DanaG> Aah, then I'll move /var -- it also seems safer.
[04:53] <RAOF> VM images aren't really software :)
[04:53] <DanaG> Because detaching /usr has had related bugs, such as "broken usplash due to lib being in /usr/lib", and such,.
[04:54] <RAOF> Really?  That sucks.  Should be in /lib, then.
[04:54] <DanaG> Yeah, that was the fix.
[04:55] <RAOF>  /var should be safer - it's meant to contain data only (databases, webroot, etc), so shouldn't be required at boot before it's mounted :)
[04:55] <DanaG> Okay, I think I'll do that, then.
[04:55] <DanaG> Now how do I safely move it and then mount it?
[04:55] <DanaG> I'd imagine I'd have to boot from a LiveCD, right?
[04:56] <DanaG> Or perhaps init 1, at least.
[04:56] <RAOF> DanaG: The LiveCD's a good idea.
[05:06] <pawan> hi
[05:07] <pawan> i cannot see ubuntu option on system startup
[05:23] <DanaG> Okay, for some reason, /var is not mounting early enough for /var/lock and other such things (in init-top) to mount.
[05:23] <DanaG> And I can't seem to log into Gnome.
[05:24] <DanaG> Oh, and GDM's colors are a bit screwy.
[05:27] <Dana1> -pOh, and now I'm logged in but the panel is stallig.
[05:27] <Dana1> ing.
[05:33] <DanaG> Now I just need to decide what type of virtual disk to make.
[05:34] <DanaG> !seamlessvirtualization
[05:34] <DanaG> !qemu
[05:34] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[05:49] <DanaG> wtf?  (qemu) exception 13 (0)
[05:53] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvm/+bug/103665
[05:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 103665 in kvm "kvm crashes on load with Intel CPUs (exception 13) (dup-of: 107172)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[05:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107172 in linux-source-2.6.22 "kvm crashes on load on Intel CPUs (exception 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[05:56] <RAOF> DanaG: Don't use KVM the first time, and disable splash
[05:56] <DanaG> First time of what, and splash on host?
[05:57] <RAOF> DanaG: When you're trying to install, and splash on guest
[05:57] <DanaG> Guest is XP.
[05:57] <RAOF> That bug will make kvm crash on... ooooh.
[05:57] <RAOF> Hm.
[05:58] <DanaG> The odd thing is, it crashes almost the instant I go to start kvm.
[05:58] <DanaG> I also had to make a "vdekvm" symlink.
[05:59] <DanaG> Perhaps vde doesn't like kvm.
[06:00] <DanaG> The odd thing is, the KVM app doesn't even get to where it goes "Press any key to boot from CD..."
[06:00] <DanaG> s/goes/says/
[06:03] <DanaG> Well, kqemu works, so I'll just use that for now.
[06:05] <DanaG> Should I set acceleration to "enable", or to "full"?
[06:06] <RAOF> No idea.
[06:06] <DanaG> Gaah, when I run qemu under compiz, it periodically tries to strobe me to death, it seems.
[06:06] <RAOF> WHat is VDE?
[06:06] <RAOF> Heh.
[06:07] <DanaG> Oh, and it still has a strong hold of my mouse, too -- even though I pressed the host keys.
[06:08] <DanaG> Oh... kay... I got a BSOD in the "copying files" stage of Setup.  So, Full obviously doesn't work.
[06:09] <DanaG> Oh yay, and now my mouse is misaligned.
[06:09] <DanaG> Thanks a pantsload, Qemu.
[06:12] <DanaG> Ouch, that's literally painful.
[06:12] <DanaG> Every time qemu paints, my cube strobes like crazy.
[06:14] <DanaG> OOh, this should be fast -- copying from an ISO on /var to a virtual disk on /var.
[06:27] <DanaG> Now if only I could figure out why Amarok keeps having its pulseaudio stream be moved back to the onboard device...
[06:30] <freebsdnubie> what's the pass and user, that should i use when i run the 7.10 beta 3 installer?
[06:46] <thedarkbg1> hi
[06:54] <DanaG> Odd, when I hover over the window shadow that's over qemu, my cube begins strobing me.  I guess I should file a bug on that -- it's a major issue for qemu+compiz.
[06:57] <burner> weee... nautilus 2.19.5 has breakage... click a folder and it crashes!
[07:02] <BaD_CrC> must be something imported from Windows
[07:02] <BaD_CrC> :)
[07:02] <DanaG> As long as it doesn't eject the CD drive when you select it with nothing inserted.
[07:12] <DanaG> I wonder whether Virtualbox would've been a better choice for running a VM under.
[07:12] <DanaG> Can you do SeamlessRDP with it?
[07:21] <Dekkard> wow crashy nautilus eh?
[07:22] <crimsun> yeah, it's gutsy.
[07:22] <crimsun> nothing to see; move along.
[07:25] <DanaG> Argh, pulseaudio and qemu don't seem to like each other.  Also, qemu-launcher gives no way to run padsp.
[07:26] <DanaG> crimsun: do you know what would make my Amarok pulseaudio stream keep defaulting back to the onboard sound card?
[07:27] <crimsun> not offhand, no.  It's pretty difficult to shoot in the dark.
[07:27] <DanaG> Aah.
[07:28] <DanaG> Right now I'm using the alsa pulse device, instead of native pulseaudio.
[07:28] <DanaG> I got tired of Amarok freezing and locking my keyboard with it.
[07:28] <DanaG> I'll go dig up that bug report.
[07:28] <crimsun> meaning you experience freezes with xine-lib's pulseaudio output?
[07:29] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/86031
[07:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 86031 in amarok "amarok has large delay on play/pause when using pulseaudio/xine" [Undecided,New] 
[07:29] <crimsun> that's highly likely misassigned
[07:30] <crimsun> it's more probably a xine-lib bug, but I don't have time this devel cycle to chase it.
[07:30] <DanaG> With the pulse device and ALSA plugin, I don't get a freeze, but it does default to the onboard.  With the pulse plugin, amarok locks up -- and thus completely breaks my keyboard if I have been using the global shortcuts.
[07:31] <crimsun> DanaG: it'll default to whatever is last chosen, which from a fresh boot, will be your onboard.
[07:31] <DanaG> Aah.
[07:32] <DanaG> Is there any way to tell padevchooser, or something, to prefer the offboard for amarok?  If not, it's okay -- the one move per boot is far less annoying than having Amarok kill my keyboard.
[07:32] <DanaG> That keyboard-grab is a separate issue.
[07:32] <crimsun> only if you set streams (e.g., using pavucontrol) prior to invoking amarok.
[07:46] <BaD_CrC> amarok has a long delay before starting mms:// WMA streams
[07:47] <BaD_CrC> i don't know why. it's not just amarok. kaffeine, exaile and a couple of other players do it as well.
[07:47] <BaD_CrC> i'm wondering if it's a gstreamer issue
[07:48] <RAOF> Probably not, because amarok uses Xine :)
[08:12] <DanaG> Oh wow, now I actually get crash reports!
[08:12] <DanaG> I guess I was previously just way too short on space to produce them.
[08:13] <RAOF> :)
[08:16] <DanaG> ANd now, it's like apport is saying "I'm free! I'm free!"
[08:18] <RAOF> I've got a *lot* of crash reports lying around. :)
[08:24] <forceflow> hey, im having issues with using the update-manager to update to gutsy....when i try to update using "gksudo update-manager -d" i get the following output: current dist not found in meta-release file
[08:24] <forceflow> could not send the dbus Inhibit signal: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[08:25] <forceflow> i was wondering if there are any workarounds i could try that anyone was aware of
[08:26] <forceflow> ideas anyone?
[08:26] <RAOF> forceflow: I think you need to run "gksudo 'update-manager -c -d'".
[08:26] <RAOF> I'm not sure if that will fix your problem, but I believe it to be more correct :)
[08:27] <forceflow> while it is more correct, still didn't help unfortunately :(
[08:27] <forceflow> still getting the same dbus issue
[08:27] <forceflow> the update-manager opens, but no updates appear
[08:28] <RAOF> Do you have the Feisty-updates repository enabled?
[08:28] <forceflow> yes, i do
[08:30] <RAOF> Hm.  That dbus error shouldn't be fatal, I think, but I'm not sure :)
[08:30] <forceflow> its odd, i thought it would be too but the window doesn't crash
[08:30] <forceflow> just doesn't find any updates
[08:31] <RAOF> I don't know, sorry.
[08:32] <forceflow> its ok, just hoping it was something stupid i was not catching
[08:32] <forceflow> thanks anyway, ill try to see if i can find a way around it
[08:32] <forceflow> ive got everything backed up, so itll be fine
[08:34] <RAOF> Gah!  Too soon
[08:55] <DanaG> Argh, I can't padsp qemu.
[08:56] <DanaG> audio: Failed to create voice `es1370.dac1'
[08:56] <DanaG> oss: Could not initialize DAC
[08:56] <DanaG> oss: Failed to set non-blocking mode
[08:56] <DanaG> oss: Reason: Invalid argument
[09:01] <RAOF> DanaG: Tried the aoss wrapper?
[09:04] <DanaG> Does qemu have "vm additions"?
[09:05] <DanaG> Things to make the mouse integration better, for example.
[09:08] <luca> hi everyone
[09:08] <luca> can someone help me set up a kde4 session in gutsy? :)
[09:18] <DanaG> Odd: I can reach tap0 from the VM, and I can reach my real router from the VM, but I can't reach anywhere above there.
[09:37] <DanaG> I'm having issues trying to get networking working in qemu.
[09:37] <DanaG> I've gotten to the point where I can ping the internet from the VM, yet web pages still won't load.
[09:39] <RAOF> Hm.  My networking (with KVM) JustWorked(tm).
[11:27] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[11:29] <contrast83> Has anyone had any success getting KDE 4 running under Gutsy? I followed the instructions here - http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha1.php - and it just crashes my X session and returns me to the login screen when I try going to the KDE 4 session.
[11:34] <Zapek> in which package is the 'Places' start menu handling?
[11:37] <asisak> Zapek: I guess gnome-panel
[11:38] <Zapek> 01_layout.patch
[11:39] <Zapek> ok
[11:46] <Amaranth> actually Places isn't really possible to control
[12:07] <HumpBack> Hello all.
[12:08] <HumpBack> Yesterday openoffice was working fine. I did a update this morning and now no more openoffice
[12:08] <asisak> gutsy works this way
[12:08] <HumpBack> I tried removing my .openoffice.org2/ but that did not help.
[12:08] <asisak> HumpBack: which component?
[12:08] <HumpBack> asisak: tried oowriter and ooimpress
[12:09] <HumpBack> the splash appears and nothing else.
[12:14] <HumpBack> humpback 17117  0.0  0.0   1748   484 pts/6    S+   11:13   0:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/oowriter
[12:14] <HumpBack> humpback 17118  0.1  0.1   3844  1564 pts/6    S+   11:13   0:00 /usr/lib/openoffice/program/ooqstart
[12:14] <HumpBack> humpback 17120  0.0  0.0   1748   520 pts/6    S+   11:13   0:00 /bin/sh /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice -writer -splash-pipe=5
[12:14] <HumpBack> humpback 17135 94.8  6.0 168732 63040 pts/6    RLl+ 11:13   1:06 /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin -writer -splash-pipe=5
[12:15] <asisak> liferea segfaults
[12:15] <asisak> ever and ever :(
[12:42] <pawan_> hi
[12:42] <pawan_> how to change directory
[12:42] <pawan_> i wnat to change directory to desktop
[12:43] <jussi01> in terminal?
[12:43] <jussi01> pawan_: cd Desktop
[12:43] <pawan_> no such file or directory
[12:44] <jussi01> pawan_: what does your treminal line say atm?
[12:44] <pawan_> on desktop i have directory xmms-1.2.10
[12:44] <pawan_> i am on the desktop
[12:45] <pawan_> i want to install xmms player
[12:45] <pawan_> equilizer plugin
[12:46] <jussi01> !compile
[12:46] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[12:46] <pawan_> i am running fiesty
[12:46] <pawan_> 7.04
[12:47] <jussi01> pawan_: #ubuntu then
[12:47] <pawan_> ok
[12:48] <Hobbsee> pawan_: suggest you read the /topic on entering channels...
[12:59] <jussi01> Hmm, anyone know which exact packages i need to install to try ut kde4alpha? (ie. whats in tribe3)?
[01:00] <Hobbsee> anything with kde4* in it
[01:00] <Hobbsee> iirc
[01:01] <jussi01> :)
[01:03] <stdin> jussi01: i think kde4base-dev should pull all the deps
[01:04] <jussi01> stdin: you are sure?
[01:04] <stdin> think so, worked here
[01:05] <Hobbsee> it doesnt for kde3, so why would it for kde4?
[01:05] <stdin> because kde4 isn't that big atm
[01:05] <Hobbsee> size isnt the problem
[01:06] <jussi01> oooh... broken packages...
[01:07] <Hobbsee> this surprises you?
[01:07] <jussi01> no... :P
[01:07] <jussi01> if someone is interested.... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31061/
[01:08] <stdin> Hobbsee: hmm, if the feisty instructions for KDE4 are "install kde4base-dev, this will uninstall the normal qt4 packages and install the qt4 kdecopy packages." shouldn't it be the same here?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> ah yes, taht will kinda break
[01:08] <Hobbsee> with that many packages
[01:09] <Hobbsee> stdin: i find that kde4base isnt a dependancy of kubuntu-desktop for kde3, so i doubt that it would be for kde4
[01:09] <Hobbsee> but it may
[01:10] <Hobbsee> no, i'm told that kde4base does work.  weird
[01:11] <jussi01> heh... stdin, congratulations, the first time Ive seen Hobbsee be wrong...
[01:11] <Hobbsee> you clearly dont look often enough
[01:11] <stdin> it was bound to happen one time :)
[01:11] <jussi01> lol
[01:12] <jussi01> stdin: careful, she has a long pointy stick...
[01:12] <Hobbsee> kde ftp
[01:12] <jussi01> heh
[01:15] <Hobbsee> it appears to exist in some form - i can see it!
[01:16] <jussi01> hehe,
[01:16] <nodesert> how can i report a bug?
[01:16] <jussi01> !bug
[01:16] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[01:36] <jussi01> stdin: do i now need to create a new kde 4 session?
[01:37] <stdin> jussi01: yeah, if you want to "login" to it. it says how here http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha1.php
[01:37] <jussi01> stdin: thanks
[01:37] <stdin> prepare for it to crash tho :p
[01:43] <jussi01> stdin: yes. it shouldnt affect my normal kde session though?
[01:44] <stdin> jussi01: no, the kde4 packages will store it's settings in ~/.kde4 so kde3 should be unaffected
[01:44] <jussi01> yay
[01:44] <jussi01> brb, im gonna go crash.. :P
[01:48] <jussi01> hmmm, kde 4...
[01:49] <stdin> the packaged version isn't great atm :p
[01:49] <jussi01> lol, its horrible
[01:49] <stdin> the svn version is almost usable now
[01:50] <jussi01> really?
[01:50] <jussi01> hmmm... maybe i go grab that...
[01:50] <jussi01> anyway, back to kde3...
[01:54] <eagles0513875> jussi01: avoid kde 3.5.7
[01:54] <jussi01> eagles0513875: why do you say that...?
[01:55] <eagles0513875> i am not sure whether the issue im having is only with the 64bit xine libs for amarok or whether it effects 32 bit but when i play audio in amarok it is constantly cutting in and out briefly throughout any song i have and all my audio is encoded in flac
[01:55] <jussi01> eagles0513875: I dont know what your problems are, but it runs good for me.
[01:56] <eagles0513875> whats ur audio encoded in
[01:56] <eagles0513875> jussi01: all my audio is in flac and ive tried mp3s as well and im still having trouble with it in amarok
[01:57] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: no one else seems to, though...
[01:57] <eagles0513875> it works fine in exaile
[01:57] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: there's a new amarok out soon, and like i've told you before, amarok doesnt release with kde
[01:57] <Hobbsee> and flac has nothing to do with kde...
[01:57] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: what r the possibilities of the problem being a 64bit os issue
[01:58] <Hobbsee> anything's possbile.  but then again, i would expect others to find it, if it was platform specific.
[01:58] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: r there alot of people out there who have 64bit machiens and actually use their full capabbilities
[01:59] <Hobbsee> ...why else would they buy 64bit machines, if not to use?
[02:01] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: the programs rnt 64bit yet lol its not really mainstream
[02:01] <eagles0513875> and support for many desktops that r out there that r winblows based have horrible driver support
[02:01] <eagles0513875> thats the reason
[02:01] <Hobbsee> !u
[02:01] <eagles0513875> ?
[02:01] <ubotu> Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[02:10] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: i updated my bug its been isolated to xine
[02:10] <Hobbsee> great
[02:11] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: trying to find someone in the xine channel to help me debug it
[02:11] <eagles0513875> lol
[02:12] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: where do i go to request a pkg be added to the repositories
[02:13] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New
[02:13] <eagles0513875> ty
[02:50] <rjek> Why might Network Manager not be able to connect to a wireless AP after a suspend, but the relevant iwconfig/ifconfig/dhclient commands from the command line succeed?
[03:13] <IdleOne> I have downloaded Tribe3 iso but I dont see where it gives me option to upgrade. seeems to want to do a clean install. how do I do a upgrade  from Feissty to Gutsy using the cd??
[03:14] <IdleOne> alternaate cd btw
[03:15] <Toma-> add the cd as an apt source in synaptic i presume
[03:16] <Toma-> should recognise it as an update disk if you just whack it in while in gnome
[03:17] <xjkr> mmmm gutsy
[03:19] <Pici> gj IdleOne :p
[03:19] <IdleOne> looll
[03:19] <IdleOne> :P
[03:20] <IdleOne> what is up with the repeat rate on this machine all of a sudden Im typing extra letters
[03:31] <IdleOne> this is going to be fun :)
[03:31] <IdleOne> 803 packages to upgrade hehe not as many as when I did the fiesty upgrade but still exciting
[04:26] <jdt> is anyone getting "connection refused" messages against the kubuntu repo's?
[04:29] <jdt> nevermind. my question re "connection refused" is to do with AU repos.. working against US repos now ok
[04:30] <jdt> does kubuntu have a repository manager like ubuntu, and a desktop effects enabler ??
[04:31] <rjek> I think that's what adept's meant to do, but I don't know as I'm not a KDE user.
[04:32] <rjek> One assumes Synaptic works just fine under KDE though.
[04:36] <gnomefreak> jdt: afaik you can do both in kde but as for the names or if a gui or not no im not sure
[04:38] <jdt> gnomefeak, thanks man, my major prob seems to be Australian Repo's. I have changed to USA repo's and can atleast update now, so going ok again...
[04:38] <jdt> thanks
[04:39] <jdt> btw? how to enable desktop effects in kubuntu?
[04:41] <gnomefreak> jdt: you might have better chance in #ubuntu-effects
[04:44] <jdt> gnomefreak: thankyou, :)
[04:51] <gnomefreak> yw
[05:08] <slimz> anyone know how to use .cgwdtheme ?
[05:09] <slimz> i downloaded it from gnome-look.org in the compiz section
[05:09] <slimz> is there something i have to install?
[05:10] <gnomefreak> slimz: might want to ask in #ubuntu-effects
[05:14] <slimz> gnomefreak, thanks!
[05:19] <gnomefreak> yw
[05:31] <mattik> Hello. Where I can find firefox 3 alpha deb for ubuntu gutsy?
[05:32] <rjek> Do you know for sure one exists?
[05:32] <mattik> I tried youmortals server feisty package, but it doesn't work for me
[05:36] <frafu> Hello, Could anybody please tell me whether there is a way to make the ubuntu-desktop metapackage reinstall all its dependencies.
[05:36] <Pici> mattik: I believe its in the gutsy repos as firefox-granparadiso
[05:36] <Pici> !info firefox-granparadiso gutsy | mattik
[05:36] <ubotu> mattik: firefox-granparadiso: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla (Development Version). In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0~alpha5-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 9703 kB, installed size 27680 kB
[05:37] <elkbuntu> mattik, packages.ubuntu.com is a useful place to look for things like that
[05:37] <rjek> frafu: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[05:38] <frafu> it only installs the package
[05:39] <frafu> It does not install also the dependencies because they are already installed
[05:39] <frafu> However I would like it to also install the dependancies again
[05:40] <Pici> frafu: Can I ask why you want to install all of the dependencies again?
[05:42] <frafu> The are a few things that do not run as they should (weird font; glade problems, network-manager applet problems)
[05:43] <frafu> However, when I connect remotely through nx, these problems do not occur in the remote session.
[05:43] <Pici> Perhaps just your user profile is messed up.
[05:43] <Pici> Have you tried it with a new user?
[05:44] <frafu> No
[05:45] <frafu> But that would only be a workaround.
[05:46] <frafu> I tried for example adjusting the fonts to make them look ok by increasing their size. Consequence: in the nx remote session, they become to big.
[05:48] <frafu> I wonder whether it is at all possible to have the ubuntu-desktop metapackage reinstall everything. Anybody knows whether it is at all possible?
[05:49] <Pici> frafu: I think that the font dpi gets set differently on the gutsy install, have you looked at that?
[05:49] <frafu> Where can I find it?
[05:51] <Pici> preferences>appearance>fonts> some button on that brings you to an advanced screen
[05:52] <frafu> Pici:  I will give it a look...
[05:52] <mattik>  elkbuntu,Pici: Thank you, I didn't answer because I was away from computer
[05:59] <soc> hi
[06:00] <soc> i just started my laptop with gutsy and now i get
[06:00] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[06:00] <soc> reiserfsck --fix-fixable started at Tue Jul 24 17:57:01 2007
[06:00] <soc> Checking internal tree
[06:01] <soc> what the hell is that?
[06:01] <eagles0513875> run this command soc and see if u get it after it restarts and runs fsck which is the linux equivalent to checkdisk on windows
[06:01] <eagles0513875> sudo shutdown -F -r now
[06:01] <eagles0513875> that will force ur partition to be checked on restart
[06:02] <soc> um?
[06:02] <soc> i acn't do anything
[06:02] <gnomefreak> is it running checks atm?
[06:02] <soc> yes?
[06:03] <soc> no terminals
[06:03] <soc> it lasts since minutes
[06:03] <gnomefreak> sounds like you booted 30 times and now its checking the partition
[06:03] <eagles0513875> let it check it soc
[06:03] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: he cant until its done afaik
[06:03] <gnomefreak> i wouldnt kill it personally
[06:03] <soc> gnomefreak: since when does reiserfs has to do that?
[06:03] <eagles0513875> me neither
[06:04] <eagles0513875> soc: im running ext3 and it does that
[06:04] <gnomefreak> soc: have to i didnt think it did but its always a good idea and im assuming kernel devels added it but im also running ext3 so i couldnt tell you
[06:05] <soc> ok, now it rebooted
[06:05] <gnomefreak> soc: we cant see it doing it so we are only able to give you ideas atm
[06:05] <eagles0513875> soc: ok is it doing a normal boot
[06:06] <gnomefreak> it should boot fine if it was a check
[06:06] <soc> ok looks good
[06:06] <soc> thank you
[06:06] <soc> btw: why is feisty/gutsy so unbelievable slow without an internet connection?
[06:07] <soc> it's a shame that i have to look for a internet connection before i can show people something
[06:07] <gnomefreak> neither is here
[06:07] <eagles0513875> soc: for me feisty is really fast im on 64bit but even on 32 its much faster then winblows
[06:08] <soc> because without they say "ubuntu sucks, it takes 5 minutes to load a texteditor?"
[06:08] <soc> weird ...
[06:08] <soc> i can't figure out what the problem is
[06:08] <eagles0513875> soc: no offense gnome but kde is so much better
[06:08] <soc> omg ... kde ....
[06:08] <eagles0513875> soc: gnome is rather under developed kde has been around much longer and is better developed
[06:08] <eagles0513875> i mean it
[06:08] <rjek> What FUD.
[06:09] <eagles0513875> ?
[06:09] <soc> if it would work better in the end kde would be surely good *flame*
[06:09] <eagles0513875> due
[06:09] <eagles0513875> lol
[06:09] <rjek> KDE: Bloaty, slow, ugly and tasteless.  GNOME: reasonably light and quick, elegant but almost entirely featureless.
[06:09] <eagles0513875> lol
[06:09] <eagles0513875> kde for me isnt slow
[06:09] <soc> i'm using gnome with amarok konqueror and kopete
[06:09] <eagles0513875> lol try it on a 64bit processor lol
[06:09] <soc> but kopete is always crashing
[06:09] <rjek> KDE is entirely out in my book because of its use of C++ and Qt.
[06:10] <gnomefreak> guys please change the topic
[06:10] <eagles0513875> im using kde with amarok and kopete too
[06:10] <eagles0513875> sry
[06:10] <eagles0513875> anyway whats it doing now soc
[06:11] <rjek> soc: In terms of your problem, I suspect it's trying to resolve something and having no joy.
[06:11] <rjek> You might want to try opening a terminal and stracing the processes as they start to see what precisely it is they're trying to do.
[06:12] <soc> how do i do that?
[06:13] <soc> rjec: fyi, i did already look at top but nothing shows up there ...
[06:13] <rjek> I'm not going to explain it - it's non-trivial :)
[06:13] <soc> :-)
[06:14] <soc> that's like magic ... i just plugged the cable in ... everything is blazing fast ... pulled it out: unbelievable slow ...
[06:14] <soc> are there any config file which i could inspect?
[06:17] <eagles0513875> soc: run this sudo apt-get autoclean
[06:17] <eagles0513875> and also sudo apt-get update
[06:17] <eagles0513875> and update any older pkgs if needed
[06:18] <rjek> soc: Are you using NIS or LDAP or similar?  Every time a process tries to getent or similar, it'd have to timeout.
[06:18] <soc> i couldn't think of anything ...
[06:19] <soc> ok, feisty is up-to-date
[06:20] <Pici> soc: you're having this issue with Feisty or Gutsy?
[06:21] <soc> both
[06:21] <soc> i have a pc w/ feisty and a laptop w/ gutsy both have the problem
[06:26] <mc44> hmm, what happened to the restricted driver manager?
[06:26] <Pici> nothing?
[06:26] <Pici> I dont think thats the answer you're looking for though.
[06:27] <mc44> its not installed by default?
[06:27] <mc44> well not here anyway
[06:28] <gnomefreak> mc44: its only installed by default on ubuntu not kubuntu
[06:28] <mc44> im on ubuntu
[06:28] <mc44> just installed tribe 3, but it isnt installed
[06:28] <gnomefreak> it should install it by default
[06:29] <mc44> I blame jrib
[06:29] <eagles0513875> lol
[06:29] <eagles0513875> mc44: dont start pointing fingers do a bug report if nobody can help u fix it
[06:29] <Pici> hmm. Its in the restricted repo, so I guess you'd need that enabled first?
[06:29] <gnomefreak> i have been away for a week but im sure it is still in default install
[06:30] <gnomefreak> it moved in the last week :(
[06:30] <Pici> Thats relatively odd.
[06:30] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[06:30] <gnomefreak> i agree
[06:30] <Dekkard> so how is todays batch ofupdates?
[06:31] <eagles0513875> anyone know much about xine
[06:31] <eagles0513875> ive discovered a bug with xine i think but i need
[06:31] <eagles0513875> someones confirmation anyone else running x86_64 version of gutsy
[06:34] <rjek> bug in xine?  OMG!
[06:34] <eagles0513875> yep
[06:34] <rjek> That's unpossible.
[06:34] <eagles0513875> but i think its on the 64bit version
[06:34] <eagles0513875> of kubuntu with kde 3.5.7
[06:35] <eagles0513875> and amarok
[06:35] <eagles0513875> can any other 64bit users confirm this
[06:36] <Dekkard> have you checked the wiki?
[06:36] <Pici> eagles0513875: Have you checked for already logged bugs?
[06:37] <eagles0513875> Pici: there werent ones like mine i have one reported
[06:38] <eagles0513875> all i know is ive narrowed down my problem to xine i need another 64bit user to confirm it
[06:39] <rjek> Sorry, I don't use Xine.  Mainly because it's buggy.
[06:39] <eagles0513875> rjek: amarok uses it though
[06:40] <frafu> Pici: You were right: it was the dpi setting. I put it back to 72. Thanks. (It took me a while because I had to start the gutsy system and it did a periodic fsck)
[06:40] <rjek> Shame.
[06:51] <finalbeta> Is the upgrade process to gutsy working at the moment? Any major breakage?
[06:52] <eagles0513875> ya
[06:52] <eagles0513875> i found one but i dont know whether its been fixed or not
[06:52] <eagles0513875> i found a major but
[06:52] <eagles0513875> bug
[06:52] <finalbeta> And that one is?
[06:52] <eagles0513875> adept notifier crashing and spawning tons of apport processes until there is no swap space left and u have to do a really hard restart cuz ur system becomes unresponsive
[06:53] <eagles0513875> lol
[06:53] <finalbeta> hehe.
[06:54] <finalbeta> I'll start my testing early this time. Last time I reported several bugs and none got fixed. Even a bug that kept Ubuntu from booting on some Dell Inspirons.
[06:54] <eagles0513875> i would try it finalbeta
[06:54] <eagles0513875> finalbeta: i would try it and if it happens just do a clean install
[06:57] <maini10> Hello, I have some problems with KDE after today updates
[06:57] <maini10> Konqueror freezes when you open certain websites (such as www.rai.it)
[06:57] <Dekkard> anyone know what nspluginviewer is?
[07:03] <Dekkard> maini10:  is that 64bit?
[07:04] <maini10> Dekkard: no, it's 32 bit
[07:04] <Dekkard> ok
[07:09] <maini10> Dekkard: have you problem with nspluginviewer
[07:11] <maini10> Dekkard: nspluginviewer is a Netscape plugin used also in Konqueror
[07:17] <Dekkard> thanks maini10  i just googled that .. and i wa scurious because it was running at 70% of my cpu, with NO browser window open.. I killed it
[07:18] <Dekkard> freekin wierd stuff
[07:41] <mc44> hmm, either xgl or compiz is being evil :( It doesn't register clicks when the mouse is at the very top or bottom of the screen, unless i turn compiz off then on
[07:43] <eagles0513875> mc44: what kinda card u got
[07:44] <mc44> ati
[07:44] <eagles0513875> new ati card or old
[07:44] <mc44> I'm using fglrx
[07:44] <eagles0513875> i know
[07:44] <eagles0513875> whats the model is it a new pcixpress card or an old school agp
[07:45] <rjek> I doubt the type of card has much to do with mouse clicks.
[07:45] <eagles0513875> i know
[07:45] <mc44> it's new enough that ati driver won't work :P
[07:45] <eagles0513875> well to enable xgl and open gl u have to mod some of the xorg.conf
[07:45] <eagles0513875> mc44:  let me hook u up with a link
[07:45] <mc44> I know how to do it. It works
[07:45] <eagles0513875> ok
[07:45] <eagles0513875> lol
[07:45] <mc44> it's just being silly
[07:58] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:12] <eagles0513875> anyone know of any other audio transcoders
[08:39] <knix> mplayer
[08:39] <knix> :)
[08:39] <eagles0513875> mplayer converts audio
[08:39] <knix> mplayer converts everything!
[08:40] <eagles0513875> really
[08:40] <knix> yea
[08:40] <knix> mencoder rocks
[08:40] <eagles0513875> is there a gui
[08:40] <knix> That I don't know :)
[08:40] <knix> I'm pretty sure there is
[08:40] <knix> I know there's a win32 project that uses it
[08:41] <eagles0513875> ok
[08:41] <knix> oh it's .net, it runs in mono
[08:41] <knix> So you can use that
[08:42] <knix> mewig
[08:42] <knix> mewig.sf.net
[08:48] <Karark|away> any word on nautilus?
[08:49] <Masterkong> umm,, do you guys think it is a good idea to upgrade to gutsy just because i want the latest alsa?
[08:49] <eagles0513875> right now im rather pissed
[08:49] <eagles0513875> Masterkong: rather buggy atm
[08:49] <eagles0513875> and im also having a bug with xine and amarok
[08:49] <Masterkong> to bad
[08:49] <Karark|away> i'm just bugged with nautilus
[08:49] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:49] <Masterkong> critical bug+
[08:50] <Masterkong> ?
[08:50] <eagles0513875> i think mine is
[08:50] <eagles0513875> its rather annoying but im thinking its specific to 64 bit version
[08:50] <eagles0513875> ill link u to the bug
[08:50] <Masterkong> damn.. i'm using AMD64
[08:50] <mc44> Karark|away: whats wrong with nautilus?
[08:50] <eagles0513875> master maybe u can help me
[08:50] <Karark|away> mc44, it crashes when browsing folders
[08:50] <asisak> Karark|away: did you do install all available updates?
[08:50] <Karark|away> yea i have
[08:50] <asisak> it has been fixed since
[08:51] <eagles0513875> Masterkong: u registered user
[08:51] <asisak> maybe the update has not been yet
[08:51] <Masterkong> youre funny eagles0513875
[08:51] <Karark|away> i haven't seen a nautilus fix :/
[08:51] <eagles0513875> Masterkong: on freenodes
[08:51] <Masterkong> i'm kinda a linux noob
[08:51] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:51] <eagles0513875> well u can still help me out
[08:51] <Masterkong> ok?
[08:51] <Masterkong> how?
[08:51] <eagles0513875> before u do anything
[08:51] <eagles0513875> by upgrading but before u do that
[08:51] <eagles0513875> does kde 3.5.7 come with gutsy
[08:52] <Masterkong> huh=
[08:52] <Masterkong> ?
[08:52] <eagles0513875> dont wry bout it master lol
[08:52] <Masterkong> w8
[08:52] <Masterkong> i'll check
[08:52] <Karark|away> Masterkong, if you are very noob i wouldn't upgrade
[08:52] <Karark|away> unless you don't need stability and wanna be in the mix :D
[08:52] <eagles0513875> Karark|away: i need someone to confirm my bug though
[08:52] <Masterkong> not very noob
[08:53] <Karark|away> eagles0513875, so, don't make him break his system for it
[08:53] <Masterkong> hehe
[08:53] <Karark|away> post in the forums
[08:53] <eagles0513875> lol master its up to u whether u wanna break it or not
[08:53] <Masterkong> yup
[08:53] <eagles0513875> u willing to help test it out
[08:53] <Masterkong> i did install gutsy like 3 weeks ago
[08:53] <Masterkong> it worked
[08:53] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:53] <Masterkong> pretty good
[08:53] <eagles0513875> so im guessing gutsy comes with 3.5.6
[08:53] <eagles0513875> out of box
[08:54] <Karark|away> ah sweet, looks like libnautilus is new
[08:54] <Karark|away> must have just upped in the past hour or so
[08:54] <Karark|away> anyone else using xchat?
[08:54] <eagles0513875> they doign alot of upping in the motu channel atm
[08:55] <asisak> Karark|away: sure
[08:55] <asisak> (xchat)
[08:55] <Karark|away> asisak, noticed tooltips have changed?
[08:55] <eagles0513875> Masterkong: r u on a dev or testing system im guessing
[08:55] <Karark|away> if hovering over topic it doesn't make it smaller so you can read it all
[08:55] <asisak> Karark|away: now, which ones?
[08:55] <Karark|away> and when minimizing to tray it'll tooltip the icon randomly
[08:56] <Masterkong> what? eagles0513875  you crazy? me being a dev?
[08:56] <eagles0513875> Masterkong: lol i wanna become a dev but dont have the programming experience atm
[08:56] <eagles0513875> Masterkong: u on a testing system
[08:56] <Masterkong> no
[08:56] <Masterkong> i'm on feisy right now
[08:56] <eagles0513875> damn
[08:57] <eagles0513875> when i first did a dist upgrade it was rather buggy
[08:57] <eagles0513875> found a nasty bug in it not sure if its been fixed
[08:57] <eagles0513875> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/126598
[08:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126598 in amarok "Audio cuts out in and out in amarok and kde 3.5.7" [Undecided,New] 
[08:57] <eagles0513875> that is my bug i need someone to help confirm it
[08:58] <Masterkong> ah.... wont be helping you there eagles0513875 , i wont be running kde
[08:58] <eagles0513875> oh
[08:58] <eagles0513875> damn any one with a 64bit processor running kubuntu gutsy
[08:58] <eagles0513875> i really need someone to help me confirm this bug of mine
[08:59] <eagles0513875> this bug is never goign to get fixed lol
[09:00] <Karark|away> gah, seems nautilus isn't completely fixed
[09:00] <Karark|away> still hanging when i go into properties of a file
[09:00] <asisak> cool
[09:00] <asisak> something to fix
[09:00] <Karark|away> hah
[09:00] <asisak> (not for me, though)
[09:00] <Karark|away> not for you to fix or it doesn't happen to you?
[09:03] <asisak> Karark|away: any file? or special files only
[09:03] <asisak> I meant not for me to fix
[09:03] <Karark|away> seems just folders
[09:03] <asisak> sure that it hangs?
[09:04] <Karark|away> yes
[09:10] <Masterkong> umm.. alsa has the same deps in gutsy as in feisy
[09:11] <Masterkong> does that mean i can temprarily enable gutsy repo and get alsa-core and the change back to feisty again?
[09:12] <jussi01> Masterkong: packages.ubuntu.com
[09:13] <Masterkong> yes jussi01 .. thats were i found that info
[09:13] <jussi01> Masterkong: just grab the package from there and install it....
[09:13] <Masterkong> ah
[09:13] <Masterkong> ok
[09:14] <Masterkong> but then aptitude wont have a clue about what i have done
[09:14] <Masterkong> right?=
[09:14] <jussi01> Masterkong: why doesit need to?
[09:16] <Masterkong> cause it keep my depenencies and such for me
[09:17] <jussi01> Masterkong: if it has the same deps in feisty you should just be able to install it.... sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb
[09:17] <jussi01> because all the deps should aready be installed... correct?
[09:19] <jussi01> only thing is it might require higher versions
[10:11] <Toxicity999> Anyone know of any Ubuntu Live Video/Audio up yet? Mainly the keynotes obviously =P
[11:00] <samushka> what happened to the Proprietary Driver Manager in 7.10, i don't see it ?
[11:04] <samushka> what happened to the Proprietary Driver Manager in 7.10, i don't see it ?
[11:04] <morphir> is landscape open source?
[11:07] <jussi01> !info landscape
[11:07] <ubotu> Package landscape does not exist in gutsy
[11:07] <rjek> samushka: Try saying it again, just incase.
[11:07] <samushka> well i dont get it, its a pretty straight forward question, i dont think its "shun" worthy
[11:08] <morphir> "Landscape is available for subscribers to Canonical's support services free of charge."
[11:08] <morphir> it sounds closed too me
[11:08] <jussi01> maybe nobody knows...
[11:08] <morphir> but I would like it confirmed
[11:08] <samushka> is there a way to launch the manager from command line?
[11:08] <rjek> I do suggest that nobody knowing is more likely than people shunning you.
[11:09] <rjek> samushka: 7.04 has /usr/bin/restricted-manager - tried that?
[11:09] <SeveredCross> I have Restricted Manager.
[11:09] <SeveredCross> Though I did dist-upgrade from Feisty.
[11:09] <samushka> there u go foudn it in add/remove... not isntalled by defualt, thx !
[11:11] <samushka> also, heard there was a tool to automatically get codecs for video playback and windows fonts etc, and that this was NOT automatix, or easyubuntu, think you know what it is? (sorry havent used ubuntu since 6.xx)
[11:11] <gnomefreak> samushka: its called easycodec and you dont need to install anything just go to play or watch something
[11:12] <samushka> ok so it automatically gets it?, thats awesome
[11:12] <samushka> ok brb, nvidia codec requires restart
[11:17] <dash> loading gtk crashes with "/usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_once_init_enter_impl" here. anybody else seeing this, or am I special? :)
[11:18] <coNP> dash: how do you do this?
[11:18] <coNP> "loading gtk"  is not very specific :)
[11:18] <dash> coNP: any program that links gtk
[11:19] <dash> "import gtk" in python, even :)
[11:19] <coNP> without this
[11:19] <dash> well, it was working fine for me 'til a few minutes ago. :)
[11:20] <dash> oh huh. maybe i missed upgrading glib.
[11:20] <dash> never mind, false alarm :)