[01:25] <ogra> lmveloso, hey, sorry for being so unresponsive, can you mail me the links ?
[01:25] <ogra> (this month is just insane for me)
[01:26] <lmveloso> ogra, np oliver! I understand.
[01:27] <lmveloso> wich is your email?
[01:27] <lmveloso> pvt /me
[01:27] <ogra> ogra@ubuntu.com
[01:27] <ogra> (no need to hide that ;) )
[01:27] <lmveloso> :) Ok!
[01:28] <lmveloso> I can share the doc with you but you will need a google account to look and edit it!
[01:28] <lmveloso> I'm sending it right now.
[01:28] <ogra> i have one
[01:28] <ogra> cool
[01:31] <lmveloso> ogra, mail sent.
[01:32] <ogra> thanks :)
[01:33] <lmveloso> I'm behind my original schedule but now I'm still confident I can meet the program deadline.
[01:35] <lmveloso> Now I'm developing the Sniffer GUI and there is some security issues needing your advice. :-) So, take a look and ask me anything you want to know.
[01:37] <lmveloso> ogra, You can also edit or comment the doc I sent you. Write down there anything you want.
[01:40] <lmveloso> By the way, thank you for answering me.
[01:43] <ogra> well, really sorry for doing that so late
[01:43] <ogra> but there was also some confusion about the mentorship ...
[01:44] <lmveloso> Yes, I noticed that but we still have time to handle the project.
[01:44] <lmveloso> Rodrigo Pereira was mentoring me
[01:45] <lmveloso> but now he is a Google employee
[01:45] <ogra> what about using dbus for the front/backend communication ?
[01:46] <lmveloso> and I believe you can improve the project.
[01:46] <lmveloso> well..
[01:47] <lmveloso> I didn't think about dbus because I was trying to solve the remote monitoring feature
[01:48] <lmveloso> so I decided to add a regular IPC instead of threads or dbus.
[01:49] <ogra> ah, k
[01:49] <lmveloso> For local communication we can use dbus, but we will need to rewrite the communication in the future.
[01:52] <lmveloso> Pyro is very interesting but potentially insecure (as raw sockets), so if we are really going to keep it we'll need to use openssh + password IMHO.
[01:53] <lmveloso> ogra, think about the architecture and fell free to suggest me anything.
[01:54] <ogra> i will, using IPC makes more sense, you are right
[01:54] <lmveloso> I was solving all the problems by myself and there might be better ways of doing it.
[01:59] <lmveloso> ogra,  Wich way do you prefer to keeping in touch ?
[01:59] <lmveloso> mail, irc, shared doc, blog?
[01:59] <lmveloso> :-)
[02:00] <ogra> IRC is fine but note that i fly out very early tomorrow and wont be available before the weekend then, so for such phases mail is better
[02:00] <ogra> (i hope my travelling will be done then and i'm available until realease)
[02:01] <lmveloso> k
[02:02] <lmveloso> it seems there is a lot of coding sprints lately
[02:02] <lmveloso> Well, I'll keep you up to date with every progress I make
[02:02] <ogra> well, this here is rather a business thing
[02:03] <ogra> two weeks ago was the distro sprint
[02:03] <ogra> in between the two i got ill ... (still not fixed yet)
[02:04] <lmveloso> RichEd told me, and how is your tooth ? :-)
[02:05] <lmveloso> sorry.. I didn't notice the '(...)'
[02:05] <ogra> the tooth itself is fine, but there seems to be another infection as well ... will need to see the doc next week ....
[02:05] <ogra> i'm not really well atm
[02:06] <ogra> we seem to have to leave here ...
[02:07] <lmveloso> so bad..
[02:07] <lmveloso> I'll see my dentist soon, I hope it will be just a check up.
[02:07] <lmveloso> ogra, nice to meet you!
[02:07] <lmveloso> Take care!
[03:36] <sbalneav> Evening all
[05:04] <effie_jayx> sbalneav,  :D
[06:11] <sbalneav> Whoo hoo!!!
[06:11] <sbalneav> New LDM handles password expiry!!!
[06:11] <sbalneav> Now we're cooking with gas
[06:12] <LaserJock> anybody around who can help with some testing?
[06:13] <sbalneav> memememememememe
[06:13] <sbalneav> What's up?
[06:13] <sbalneav> Hey!!! Just got password expiry going in the new ldm!!!
[06:13] <sbalneav> \o/
[06:13] <sbalneav> Totally pro.
[06:13] <LaserJock> sweet
[06:13] <LaserJock> sbalneav: what are you running?
[06:14] <sbalneav> guuuuuutsy
[06:14] <LaserJock> did you dist-upgrade today?
[06:14] <sbalneav> Hmm, well, I ran update manager.
[06:14] <LaserJock> so did you get a new gcompris?
[06:14] <sbalneav> root@edubuntu:~# apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:14] <sbalneav> Reading package lists... Done
[06:14] <sbalneav> Building dependency tree
[06:14] <sbalneav> Reading state information... Done
[06:14] <sbalneav> Calculating upgrade... Done
[06:14] <sbalneav> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:14] <sbalneav> mustve
[06:15] <sbalneav> What would you like me to test
[06:15] <LaserJock> well, I need to test gcompris *without* tuxpaint
[06:16] <LaserJock> with the latest version I merged I moved tuxpaint from Suggests to Depends
[06:17] <sbalneav> so apt-get remove tuxpaint?
[06:17] <LaserJock> hmm, well it might want to take out gcompris with it
[06:17] <sbalneav> Lets see
[06:18] <sbalneav> Hmm, I don't appear to have it
[06:18] <sbalneav> oh
[06:18] <sbalneav> don't appear to have gcompris either!!!
[06:18] <sbalneav> lol
[06:19] <sbalneav> Durn, do I gotta download the edu cd?
[06:19] <LaserJock> good!
[06:19] <sbalneav> or just install gcompris?
[06:19] <LaserJock> do you have a good connection?
[06:20] <sbalneav> not bad, cable modem
[06:20] <sbalneav> ohh, name change to childsplay?
[06:20] <sbalneav> hmm no
[06:21] <LaserJock> well, I'd like you to download an older version of gcompris from Launchpad
[06:21] <LaserJock> you on i386?
[06:21] <sbalneav> hmm, gcompris still wants to install tuxpaint.
[06:21] <sbalneav> yes I am
[06:22] <sbalneav> point me to what you want downloaded
[06:24] <LaserJock> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/7919916/gcompris_8.3.1-3ubuntu1_i386.deb
[06:24] <LaserJock> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/7919915/gcompris-data_8.3.1-3ubuntu1_all.deb
[06:25] <sbalneav> hmm, what's a good way to resolve all dependencies?
[06:26] <sbalneav> dpkg -i lists a ton of stuff, just single step through the deps, apt-get installing them?
[06:26] <LaserJock> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/7919897/gcompris-sound-en_8.3.1-3ubuntu1_all.deb
[06:26] <LaserJock> do a dpkg -i on all three
[06:26] <LaserJock> then do a apt-get -f
[06:27] <sbalneav> Smart, you are
[06:27] <sbalneav> 21 %
[06:28] <sbalneav> 29%
[06:28] <LaserJock> yeah, it's a beast of a package
[06:28] <LaserJock> I can't believe ogra used to put it on one CD
[06:29] <sbalneav> Had to suck in his gut :)
[06:29] <LaserJock> good thing he's skinny
[06:33] <sbalneav> 77%
[06:37] <sbalneav> apt-get -f?
[06:37] <LaserJock> sudo apt-get -f
[06:38] <LaserJock> it might be -f install
[06:39] <sbalneav> The following extra packages will be installed:
[06:39] <sbalneav>   gcompris gcompris-data gcompris-sound-en libsdl-image1.2 libsdl-mixer1.2
[06:39] <sbalneav>   libsdl-ttf2.0-0 libsmpeg0 python-pysqlite2 tuxpaint tuxpaint-data
[06:39] <sbalneav>   tuxpaint-stamps-default vorbis-tools
[06:39] <sbalneav> Suggested packages:
[06:39] <sbalneav>   gnucap python-pysqlite2-dbg ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp ttf-arphic-uming ttf-baekmuk
[06:39] <sbalneav>   ttf-thryomanes
[06:39] <sbalneav> Recommended packages:
[06:39] <sbalneav>   tuxpaint-config
[06:39] <sbalneav> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[06:39] <sbalneav>   libsdl-image1.2 libsdl-mixer1.2 libsdl-ttf2.0-0 libsmpeg0 python-pysqlite2
[06:39] <sbalneav>   tuxpaint tuxpaint-data tuxpaint-stamps-default vorbis-tools
[06:39] <sbalneav> The following packages will be upgraded:
[06:39] <sbalneav>   gcompris gcompris-data gcompris-sound-en
[06:39] <sbalneav> Tuxpaint's still loading
[06:39] <LaserJock> argg
[06:39] <sbalneav> so, I did a dpkg -i *.deb
[06:39] <sbalneav> which didn't complete, due to deps
[06:39] <LaserJock> it's trying to dist-upgrade gcompris
[06:39] <sbalneav> and an apt-get -f install
[06:40] <sbalneav> I could just march through the deps manually?
[06:40] <LaserJock> ok, maybe just do apt-get install <add individual packages>
[06:40] <LaserJock> just leave out tuxpaint*
[06:40] <sbalneav> ok
[06:41] <LaserJock> so apt-get install libsdl-image1.2 libsdl-mixer1.2 libsdl-ttf2.0-0 libsmpeg0 python-pysqlite2 vorbis-tools
[06:42] <sbalneav> got it
[06:43] <LaserJock> did gcompris install?
[06:43] <sbalneav> Yessir!
[06:43] <LaserJock> ok, so fire it up and go to the Amusements -> Tuxpaint
[06:44] <sbalneav> Cannot find tuxpaint
[06:44] <sbalneav> install it to use this activity
[06:44] <sbalneav> Then a plane crashes into a wall
[06:44] <LaserJock> but it returns you to gcompris ok
[06:44] <LaserJock> doesn't crash or hang?
[06:44] <sbalneav> It surely does
[06:44] <sbalneav> Nope
[06:44] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:45] <sbalneav> was it supposed to crash?
[06:45] <LaserJock> well, kinda yeah
[06:45] <sbalneav> Seems like it did the RIGHT thing
[06:45] <sbalneav> I'm in window mode
[06:45] <LaserJock> we had a bug on LP, and I was able to reproduce it a while ago
[06:46] <sbalneav> should I try in fullscreen?
[06:46] <LaserJock> you might, just for the heck of it
[06:46] <sbalneav> hmmm, how do I do that now....
[06:46] <LaserJock> gcompris -f I think
[06:46] <sbalneav> ok
[06:47] <sbalneav> su - sbalneav
[06:47] <sbalneav> argh
[06:47] <sbalneav> blargh I'm ded
[06:49] <sbalneav> yeah, fullscreen dies horribly
[06:49] <LaserJock> oh really?
[06:49] <sbalneav> YA RLY
[06:50] <sbalneav> My video mode is hozded
[06:52] <sbalneav> Wonder if it works with the -x
[06:52] <sbalneav> two shakes
[06:53] <sbalneav> Yup, if you run it with -f -x, then it pauses for a sec, but then comes back
[06:54] <sbalneav> If you have problems starting GCompris in fullscreen, try the -x option to disable XF86VidMode
[06:54] <sbalneav> so I'd say there's some bugs in there opposite that.
[06:54] <sbalneav> Is gcompris in C or python?
[06:55] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:55] <LaserJock> I think both
[06:56] <LaserJock> sbalneav: does -f mess up other apps in gcompris
[06:56] <sbalneav> Hmm, lemme check
[07:01] <sbalneav> Other things seem to work, from quick testing
[07:05] <sbalneav> LaserJock: still there?
[07:06] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:06] <sbalneav> I can't dig into it right now, as I'm pushing to get ldm2 done by new-feature cutoff date
[07:07] <LaserJock> no problem
[07:07] <sbalneav> but after mid-august I could spend a day poking at it if you'd like
[07:07] <LaserJock> I just moved tuxpaint from Suggests to a Depends
[07:07] <LaserJock> so I *know* it'll work
[07:08] <LaserJock> but it's intriguing to me as sometimes I've had it work and other installs not
[07:08] <sbalneav> heh
[07:08] <sbalneav> If running another app bombs because it's not there, based on the video mode
[07:09] <sbalneav> I'd say we have a misplaced pointer somewhere, leading to memory corruption.
[07:09] <sbalneav> strace or the like would show us what's going on
[07:09] <LaserJock> well, I've had it do it in windowed mode
[07:09] <LaserJock> and some people have reported it freeze, others a crash
[07:10] <sbalneav> I'd have to poke into it.
[07:10] <sbalneav> but I suspect a dangling pointer, or buffer overrun somewhere.
[07:10] <LaserJock> hmm
[07:10] <LaserJock> well, for now I think it was an ok idea to make it a depends
[07:11] <sbalneav> Solves the problem short term.
[07:11] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:11] <sbalneav> Leave the bug open, and poke me about it later
[07:11] <sbalneav> I'll use my gdb-fu on it.
[07:12] <sbalneav> You on central or mountain time?
[07:14] <LaserJock> pacific
[07:15] <LaserJock> oh heah, could you try installing tuxpaint real quick and retrying with -f
[07:15] <LaserJock> retrying gcompris that is
[07:21] <sbalneav> ok
[07:25] <sbalneav> eurgh
[07:25] <LaserJock> same thing?
[07:25] <sbalneav> that doesn't work either, full screen
[07:25] <LaserJock> yeah, that's what I figured
[07:27] <sbalneav> Problem appears to be the fullscreen stuff
[07:27] <sbalneav> Maybe it doesn't like the newer xorg
[07:28] <sbalneav> FWIW, tuxpaint itself works as expected in --fullscreen --800x600
[07:29] <sbalneav> Well, 12:30 am here
[07:29] <sbalneav> I'm beat
[07:29] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:29] <sbalneav> I'm gonna head to bed.
[07:29] <LaserJock> thanks for the help
[07:29] <sbalneav> night
[07:34] <NewToUbuntu> I recently installed edubuntu by downloading a CD labeled 'Edubuntu 7.04 i386 Bin-1'
[07:36] <NewToUbuntu> Whenever I try to download applications using Add/Remove, I get a window asking for a disk labeled 'Edubuntu 7.04_Feisty Fawn_Release i386 Binary-1 (20070415)'
[07:36] <LaserJock> ok
[07:36] <NewToUbuntu> I only have the above CD, and the same window keeps coming back up...
[07:37] <LaserJock> hmm
[07:37] <NewToUbuntu> what am I doing wrong?
[07:37] <LaserJock> what are you trying to install?
[07:37] <NewToUbuntu> just about any application gives me either a '....cannot be installed on your computer type (i386)', or the error above.
[07:37] <LaserJock> ohhhh
[07:38] <LaserJock> did you have an internet connection when you installed?
[07:38] <NewToUbuntu> Yes, and I'm running pretty much a garden variety intel Pentium 4
[07:39] <LaserJock> ok, please pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:39] <LaserJock> !pastebin
[07:39] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:40] <NewToUbuntu> ok .. just a sec
[07:43] <NewToUbuntu> ok - it should be there.  got all the uncommented lines from the sources.list file.  URL : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31209/
[07:44] <LaserJock> ok, well I can see the problem
[07:44] <LaserJock> although I'm not sure why it doesn't like the CD
[07:45] <NewToUbuntu> and what's the immediate problem you see?
[07:45] <LaserJock> go to System -> Administration -> Software Sources
[07:45] <LaserJock> the problem is that for some reason you lost the Main repository
[07:46] <LaserJock> which is where most of the important packages are :-)
[07:47] <NewToUbuntu> great ... how do I correct it?
[07:48] <LaserJock> have you got it open?
[07:48] <NewToUbuntu> yes - sorry forgot to update!
[07:48] <LaserJock> you want to make sure the first option is clicked
[07:49] <LaserJock> the one that has (main)
[07:49] <NewToUbuntu> the 'canonical -supported Open Source Software' (main) ...
[07:49] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:49] <NewToUbuntu> it's downloading 39 packages
[07:50] <NewToUbuntu> Now, I'm trying to download 'Bluefish Editor', and I get the dreaded insert disk window ...
[07:51] <LaserJock> hmm
[07:52] <LaserJock> hmm, bluefish is in Universe
[07:52] <NewToUbuntu> not sure what that means or its significance ...
[07:52] <LaserJock> it's a different software repository
[07:53] <LaserJock> but it looks like it was enabled
[07:53] <NewToUbuntu> so if I select 'Supported Ubuntu applications', I should not see the error?
[07:53] <LaserJock> well, you probably wouldn't find bluefish if you did that
[07:54] <LaserJock> ok, here's something to try
[07:54] <NewToUbuntu> that's  correct, but I could try e.g. Quanta Plus just for kicks
[07:54] <NewToUbuntu> all right...
[07:54] <LaserJock> go back into the Software Sources app
[07:55] <NewToUbuntu> i'm there
[07:55] <LaserJock> and go to the Third-Party Software tab
[07:55] <LaserJock> you should see that cdrom
[07:55] <NewToUbuntu> yes, there two identical lines, only the second one of which is check marked...
[07:55] <LaserJock> ok, uncheck them both
[07:56] <LaserJock> you might also want to go to the Updates tab
[07:56] <LaserJock> and make sure feisty-security and feisty-updates are checked
[07:57] <NewToUbuntu> Hmmm... the security and update are checked ...
[07:57] <NewToUbuntu> but when I try to uncheck the cdrom, it says the information about available software is out of date
[07:58] <NewToUbuntu> if I say reload...then it rechecks the cdrom!
[07:58] <NewToUbuntu> should I just click 'close'?
[07:58] <LaserJock> hmm
[07:59] <NewToUbuntu> oops .. never mind.  operator error.  the cdrom is now unchecked.
[08:01] <LaserJock> ok
[08:01] <LaserJock> did the reload go ok?
[08:02] <NewToUbuntu> Ah, that appears to do the trick! Except that now everytime I go to Add/Remove, it says the list of Available applications is out of date ...
[08:03] <NewToUbuntu> yep - bluefish is loaded and runs!
[08:03] <LaserJock> ok
[08:04] <LaserJock> well, I'm not sure how it got that way
[08:04] <LaserJock> sorry about that
[08:04] <LaserJock> but hopefully we got it ironed out ;-)
[08:04] <NewToUbuntu> Hein?????  You just helped me out of a headache and you're apologizing?
[08:04] <NewToUbuntu> Thank you !!!!!!  This is amazing.
[08:05] <NewToUbuntu> Good night.
[12:10] <BLUG-fred> Hi guys! I'd like to report a bug (well check if it has been found yet or not..) that is specific to Edubuntu install. Where and how do I do that?
[12:16] <juliux> BLUG-fred, take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/
[12:16] <juliux> BLUG-fred, perhaps it is allready reported
[12:16] <BLUG-fred> thanks.. will do asap
[12:25] <BLUG-fred> no edubuntu project registered as project.. is it normal?
[12:26] <juliux> yes
[12:28] <BLUG-fred> mmm ok.. thanks
[12:28] <BLUG-fred> so who is responsible for the Install of edubuntu 'package'?
[12:30] <juliux> if you don't know the exact packagename then only report the bug
[12:33] <BLUG-fred> it's the installation app
[12:33] <BLUG-fred> well right.. i don't know the package
[05:34] <teknopagan> Hiya, folks
[05:34] <teknopagan> Having some trouble with the DVD iso
[05:38] <sbalneav> What's the trouble?
[05:38] <teknopagan> well, I donloaded the DVD image, which is 4.9GB
[05:38] <teknopagan> Thus I can't burn it to a regular DVD, and I don't have any dual-layer discs available
[05:39] <teknopagan> I tried opening the iso to look around inside, because the DVD is supposed to have images for Server and Desktop, but I'm not finding those images
[05:40] <teknopagan> I'm seeing 3 folders inside the iso, including "El torito boot", "ISO9660" and "Joliet level 3"
[05:41] <teknopagan> Inside ISO9660 there's what looks like a disc image, the same in Joliet level 3 - are those the images I'm looking for?
[05:41] <sbalneav> Well, you're a little beyond me.  Modifying the image so that it will fit on a smaller disk isn't something I know how to do.
[05:42] <teknopagan> I'm not trying to modify the image - I'm trying to extract the individual images from inside the main one to burn them separately
[05:44] <sbalneav> Well, either way, I don't know :)
[05:44] <sbalneav> ogra's not around right now, he'd be the one to ask.
[05:44] <teknopagan> k
[05:46] <teknopagan> Another question I have, is it worth getting the 7.x images as far as feature enhancements go? Or should I just stick with the LTS version?
[05:46] <sbalneav> Are you interested in thin client support?
[05:47] <teknopagan> Yep
[05:47] <sbalneav> There's been a huge amount of improvement in thin client support since LTS, so I'd say go with feisty.
[05:47] <teknopagan> Sweet - actually, that DVD I was looking at is Gutsy
[05:47] <sbalneav> There'll be even bigger improvements for gutsy, I'm working on those now.
[06:07] <Halca> Hey
[06:07] <Halca> Are there open development tasks
[06:07] <Halca> :)