fdovingthose who really want KDE4.0 can use 3rdparty sources to get it.. kubuntu.org for example.12:16
DaSkreechmhb: If users don't care about KDE4 as an LTS product why should we have one?12:16
ryanakcaDaSkreech: aoeui!12:16
mhbDaSkreech: the users don't care about LTS much. It's working & shinier = better for them :o)12:17
DaSkreechmhb: Right and we already have a CD that scratches taht itch12:18
fdovingi fear many will be dissapointed by KDE 4.0, many seem to think it'll be the perfect desktop once .0 is released. bug-free fast and shiny bling bling. i fear major .0 releases they are evil.12:18
mhbfdoving: I really, really hope KDE 4.0 will suck.12:20
DaSkreechfdoving: Whatever I don't care about that :) I care that people use it and a) we get an influx of complaints into a structure which handles it for good of KDE progress and b) they have a net that explains 1) the growing pains and 2) how to integrate the KDE3 plugs with the KDE4 holes12:20
DaSkreechmhb: No fears mate! it will12:20
mhbbecause, so to say, we bet our money on that option12:20
DaSkreechbut it should suck with a public face and speaker12:21
DaSkreech which I hope is us12:21
fdovingthat's why i think making it easy to install/use KDE4.0 of course is a good thing, but i'm not so much for promising to plugg all holes as an LTS release would do.12:25
DaSkreechmhb: Or to put it more correctly it will suck in comparison to KDE 4.212:27
fdovingScottK: gd-test.py says this before/while crashing:12:30
fdovingIn file tools/qgvector.cpp, line 176: Out of memory12:30
fdovingthat is in qt12:31
mhbfdoving: yes, it does say that (it's stated in the bugreport, too)12:32
mhbfdoving: I never suspected it'd be a Qt problem, though. The C++ code works.12:33
fdovingyeah, i know.12:33
ScottKHmmm.  That might make sense too.12:34
kwwiiRiddell, anyone: do you know where the sounds for kde go in SVN?12:34
mhbfdoving: there's plenty of those on the net.12:35
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mhbfdoving: errors like that, from various apps.12:35
fdovingmhb: try to run your python test with valgrind.12:35
fdovingit actually doesn't crash with valgrind.12:35
kwwiisomeone must know where the kde sounds are in kde SVN please!12:37
fdovingkwwii: kde4?12:42
ScottKfdoving: I've always assumed that wherever it crashed was just somewhat coincidental (the first malloc to not have room).12:43
kwwiiI assume they are in the same place as in kde3 but I cannot remember and I do not have kdebase checked out12:43
ScottKIt crashed with valgrind on my machine.12:43
fdovingkwwii: there are two sounds at: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeartwork/sounds/ - in kde3 they are under kdebase, atleast when installed.12:44
fdovingScottK, mhb seen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/84717 ?12:49
ubotuLaunchpad bug 84717 in update-manager "SRU: updates necessary for Kubuntu Upgrade Tool in Edgy" [Undecided,Fix released] 12:49
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DaSkreechthey have them under oxygen as far as I know12:51
mhbfdoving: pretty much about the same thing, I've seen that one. The problem with it for me was a) to much noise b) wrong package anyway . Are the comments there helpful in some way?12:51
ScottKfdoving: I hadn't seen the bug, but those are the code changes I've been looking at out of edgy-updates.12:53
fdovingkwwii: daskreech might be right, http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/sounds/ does have a few more sounds.12:53
fdovingScottK: exactly.12:54
kwwiifdoving: lol, that is my project :p we want to put our stuff in kde4 so it is in the build now12:54
fdovingkwwii: ah, ok. good :)12:54
DaSkreechAnd the KDe4 theme12:54
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kwwiihug me...it would never have happened without tackat and myself12:55
=== fdoving hugs kwwii :)
ScottKfdoving: But I hadn't looked at kdelibs.  Maybe something in there.  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/6536952/kdelibs_3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2.debdiff12:55
kwwiiwell, you still have to hug tackat, but huggin someone you don't know (and isn't here) is kinda funky12:56
DaSkreechkwwii: Oh he's here :)12:56
DaSkreechI just did  the same way I did you12:57
mhbfunny how artist get forgotten even if the theme is highly anticipated12:57
kwwiino shit12:57
kwwiiartwork is so important but nobody knows where it comes from and takes if for granted after it is there12:57
fdovinglike any other IT service, like e-mail :)12:58
fdovingsysadmins and artists.12:58
mhbkwwii: don't be sad, if there's a KDE department I like most, it's artwork12:58
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tackatkwwii: hi12:59
tackatwe still need to drink a beer in Erlangen01:00
tackatbut I figured that Sunday was likely less than optimal ;)01:00
DaSkreechI have a better idea01:00
kwwiitackat: are you still at home?01:00
DaSkreech drink a beer in !Erlangen01:00
kwwiicool, I could make it in the evening sometime, but midday is hard with the family and all01:00
tackatkwwii: So what do I hear about a music theme?01:01
DaSkreechAre you both using the same ISP?01:01
tackator theme music or whatever :) ?01:01
kwwiitackat: we have some killer stuff done, we just need to check it into svn01:01
tackatDaSkreech: shhh, we are actually the same person01:01
kwwiiif only I could figure out where it should go01:02
DaSkreechThat would explain the beer drinking01:02
tackatDaSkreech: did you see latest Marble already?01:02
DaSkreechIf it's for KDE4 it should be under oxygen sounds I think01:02
fdovingdrinking and making kde-sounds sounds cool :)01:02
DaSkreechtackat: I keep trying to keep up01:03
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DaSkreech You and aseigo make my life so damn hard01:03
DaSkreechBy the time I get to see it it's out of date :-(01:03
DaSkreechNeat :)01:04
DaSkreech Need any caribbean data?01:04
tackatnot yet01:04
tackatnext one is openstreetmap01:04
DaSkreechOoooh I'm really happy about that one :)01:05
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kwwiistepped things up to gin :p01:06
DaSkreechGOota go01:13
DaSkreechtackat: catch you in a bit01:13
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nixternalargh, this konqui constantly lockin' up on sites is killing me02:05
jdonghmm... maybe I should package ktorrent 2.2.1?02:12
nixternalumm..ya :)02:14
nixternalspeaking of ktorrent..I am using it to get "school of scoundrels" right now02:14
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manchicken_Good news folks!06:49
manchicken_Dacia and I put an offer down on a house today, and the seller accepted.06:49
nixternalrock on manchicken_06:51
manchicken_Yeah, now we just need to bend over while folks start pulling money from where the sun doesn't shine.06:52
nixternalgahaha..I am watching school for scoundrels...classic06:56
ScottKIf Hobbsee comes back, I'd appreciate it if someone would mention Bug #128164 to her.07:31
ubotuLaunchpad bug 128164 in pinentry "Please merge pinentry-0.7.3-1 from Debian Unstable (Main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12816407:31
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manchicken_This openoffice.org bug seems to be known to Debian folks.07:57
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Hobbseeer, where would the admin/ dir of kdenetwork be?08:26
Hobbseeseeing as i'ts not in the knetworkmanager tarball08:31
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Riddellkwwii_: kdebase-3.5.7/kcontrol/knotify/sounds/10:54
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Riddellgood morning anders10:55
Riddellisn't it a beautiful morning today?10:55
srednai'm trying to install the kde4 snapshot, but kde4base/kde4base-data/kde4base-dev fails for some reason10:55
Riddelluh oh10:55
Riddellfrom feisty or gutsy?10:55
srednaRiddell: hi, and yes :)10:55
srednathose are enabled10:56
Riddellcan you put the error message in a pastebin?10:56
srednathough i'm afraid they are in danish :o10:56
RiddellI should be able to get the just of it10:57
Riddellhmm, overlapping files10:58
Riddellhow strange, there have been several people test this10:59
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Riddellsredna: did you have old kde4 packages installed previously?10:59
srednai don't think so10:59
Riddelldpkg --install --force-overwrites /var/cache/apt/archives/kde4base-data_3.80.3-0ubuntu5_all.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/kde4base_3.80.3-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb; apt-get -f install10:59
Riddellthat should fix it11:00
srednalet me try that11:00
Riddellfdoving: you completed our first gutsy spec!11:01
srednai can't run dpkg, it complains that it can't open the lockfile (using sudo) :o11:03
Riddelldo you have another package manager running?11:03
Riddelladept or synaptic or anything?11:03
srednamaybe the kicker applet11:04
srednai quit that, but still no luck11:05
Riddelldoes ps show any apt process running?11:07
Riddellif not just delete the lock file11:07
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srednaah, done11:08
srednastill not working :(11:10
Riddellwhich isn't?11:11
Riddellit's --force-overwrite not --force-overwrites11:11
srednaah, that might help, now it appears to work11:12
srednaRiddell: thank you for helping :)11:14
RiddellI'll need to try and recreate that problem and get it fixed11:18
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fdovingRiddell: yay, now that the first spec is finished. do you have any other small tasks for me?12:00
Riddellfdoving: able to improve the !kde4 thing from ubotu?12:12
RiddellI don't know if you have write permissions or not12:12
Riddellsmall task, make About Kubuntu document decent12:12
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fdovingi have ubotu powers.12:17
ubotuFor information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org12:17
stdinyou know we had someone in #kubuntu say "I can't connect to the site appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org", we had to explain that they are all different sites on kde.org12:19
fdovingi  think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 is good.12:19
fdovingubotu kde4 is <reply> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more info see:12:23
Riddellfdoving: and the top story on kubuntu.org12:31
fdovingRiddell: could we make it kubuntu.org/kde4 or something? - then update that to redirect to whatever new packages will be available?12:34
fdovingif not the factoid will be outdated fast.12:35
Riddellfdoving: not really with the current website12:35
fdoving!no, kde4 is <reply> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at <http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule>. Alpha 2 packages are available at <http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha2.php>.12:35
ubotuI'll remember that fdoving12:35
fdovinghow's that?12:36
Riddellrelease scheule needs something to say it's not final12:36
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fdovingthe page says that.12:36
Riddellspose so12:36
Riddellok, groovy12:36
fdoving!no, kde4 is <reply> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at <http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule>. Alpha 2 packages can be found at <http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha2.php>.12:36
ubotuI'll remember that fdoving12:36
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=== ScottK wonders if we have any budding qt4 hackers that would be interested in a small porting project.
ScottKThe pinentry package needs a pinentry-qt4.  Looking at pinentry-qt it looks like it would be easy for anyone who knows anything at all about qt4 (which would not be me).04:35
fdovingi think there is a port somewhere.04:36
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Tonio_Riddell: I noticed the latest kde upload seems to break nspluginviewer04:43
Tonio_Riddell: freezes konqueror and overload the cpu to 100%04:43
Riddellkde upload is a bit broad04:43
Tonio_Riddell: well as I'll delete the media patches, I'll look at what has been changed rencently to the packages04:44
Tonio_Riddell: also OOo really seems to be broken although nobody could confirm it to me (I was just ignored)04:45
Tonio_Hobbsee: ping ?04:45
HobbseeTonio_: pong04:45
Tonio_would you please confirm OOo crashes when you open an odt file for example ?04:45
RiddellTonio_: various other people have complained about openoffice04:45
Tonio_Hobbsee: that started to happen yesterday04:45
RiddellTonio_: looks like kdesudo issue is sorted04:45
Tonio_Riddell: ah oki, I missed that, I'm not really looking at the channels, lack of time04:45
HobbseeTonio_: there's already a bug filed for it04:45
Tonio_Hobbsee: oki I'll investigate toonight then :)04:50
Tonio_Riddell: thanks for kdesudo and the copyright thing debate :)04:50
Tonio_Riddell: was interesting and sorted out the issue, that's cool :)04:50
apacheloggerRiddell: new snapshot of one of kwin's capturing libraries: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=617704:51
apacheloggeralso fixed the issues from first upload04:51
apacheloggernext lib is following up ASAP04:52
jjesseTonio_: in gutsy OOO writer never gets pass the splash screen for me04:52
ScottKIt's a GTK2 issue.04:54
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Tonio_jjesse: well if I launch it empty, it seems to work, it just freezes when I try to open an opendocument file04:59
jjesseTonio_: same for me05:01
Tonio_jjesse: oki so no need to report again, that should be a known issue05:01
Tonio_jjesse: can you also confirm the nspluginviewer crash with konqueror ?05:01
jjesseTonio_: i can try, what bug #05:01
Tonio_jjesse: just go to a flash enabled website, and that should hang05:01
Tonio_jjesse: no bug atm, I'm waiting for confirmation to report05:02
Tonio_jjesse: can be a local problem due to my everyday tweaking my laptop :)05:02
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Tonio_hi mbiebl ;)05:02
jjesseis nspluginviewr installed by defuatl?05:02
Tonio_jjesse: yep05:02
mbieblTonio_: hi05:02
Tonio_jjesse: that's the binary that makes konqueror capable to use firefox plugins05:03
Hobbseembiebl: greetings, there's a new knetworkmanager out05:03
Tonio_jjesse: seems to hang due to the latest flash package uploaded05:03
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Tonio_jjesse: btw works in firefox05:03
mbieblI'm uploading right at this momemt ;-)05:03
Tonio_Hobbsee: are you doing the new knetworkmanager ? I can do it toonight if yo want, I'll have time to work today05:03
Hobbseembiebl: woo!05:03
Tonio_mbiebl: any new patches ?05:03
HobbseeTonio_: havent looked tonight, i've been out05:04
jjessewhen i visit youtube or espn it tells me to install flash05:04
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Tonio_Hobbsee: great, so I'll handle the package :)05:04
mbieblSome of the patches I had were merged upstream.05:04
Tonio_mbiebl: I'll merge your changes toonight then, as long as the package is accessible05:04
Tonio_mbiebl: when will it be available on packages.debian ?05:04
mbieblTonio_: There was also a change in the build-deps, as the upstream tarball doesn't ship an admin/ dir.05:05
DaSkreechjjesse: Write them and tell them to support gnash05:05
mbieblI had to build-dep on kapptemplate and copy it from there (in debian/rules).05:05
mbieblTonio_: It will be available this night.05:05
Tonio_jjesse: seems you don't have flash installed then, or at least not activated in konqueror05:05
mbieblTonio_: You can also access the pkg-utopia SVN though. I'll commit my changes there.05:06
Tonio_mbiebl: oki, well I'd be interested in having the package a bit sooner, as my freetime to work on the package is very limited at the moment05:06
Tonio_mbiebl: oki great, I'll go with this then05:06
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mbieblTonio_: Just give me a sec, then I'll do the commit and give you the URL05:06
ryanakcaTonio_: oh, Umm. I think qcomicbook can be synced, it builds fine in a gutsy sbuild. I don't know much about the Ubuntu changes, and your the maintainer, so, if it can be synced, mind filing the sync?05:06
Tonio_mbiebl: super, you rock :)05:06
Tonio_ryanakca: sure05:07
ryanakcaTonio_: thanks :)05:07
ryanakcaHey nixternal05:07
Tonio_ryanakca: as long as a package can be used from debian directly, let's go05:07
jjessehiya nixternal05:07
Tonio_ryanakca: that's less work for us :)05:07
ryanakcaTonio_: Yep, I downloaded the .dsc, and it builds fine in a gutsy sbuild05:07
Tonio_let's sync then :)05:07
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joejaxxGood Morning All :)05:08
Hobbseemorning joejaxx05:08
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DaSkreech^^^ See?05:10
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mbieblTonio_: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-utopia/packages/unstable/knetworkmanager05:19
joejaxxHobbsee: pm?05:20
Tonio_mbiebl: super, that'll be merged toonight05:20
Hobbseejoejaxx: sure05:20
ScottKnixternal: Any interest in doing a small qt3 to qt4 port as a "learning experience"?05:21
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nixternalhehe, another port?05:23
nixternalwhat is it?05:23
ScottKIt has a pinentry-qt, but no pinentry-qt4.05:23
ScottKWe're gonna need it I'm pretty sure to get to gnupg.05:24
nixternalahh, sure I will take a look at it05:24
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ScottKnixternal: I put in a feature request upstream for it, if you decide to take a whack at it, you might want to comment there: https://intevation.de/roundup/aegypten/issue77305:27
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HobbseeRiddell: why didnt you give them both the boot?05:35
RiddellHobbsee: I didn't see any notably sexist comments from elite101 only grahama05:37
HobbseeRiddell: they were both bad.  elite was worse further up05:38
Hobbsee(he's now bitching on the ban)05:38
Riddellwhich isn't to say I didn't miss any05:38
Hobbseefair enough.  i gave the other one the boot05:38
Riddellwho controls #kubuntu-offtopic these days?05:39
Hobbseenalioth, i think05:40
HobbseeRiddell: can you pastebin the last hundred lines or whatever, and i'll deal with them too?05:40
RiddellI'm not in #k-o05:40
Hobbseeoh right05:41
Riddelljust worth keeping an eye on incase they end up on the same topic in there05:41
HobbseeRiddell: oh, i'll just tell them that i'm a core dev, and can kill their computers.  because after all, girls cant be trusted with technology.05:42
Hobbseethat should shut them up05:42
ScottKHobbsee: pinentry FTBFS on sparc, but it's because libgtk2 is FTBFS there, so I guess it's just a giveback after libgtk2 gets fixed, right?05:43
HobbseeScottK: yep05:43
ScottKOK.  I'll keep an eye on it then.05:43
Hobbseeno problem05:46
=== Hobbsee ponders when to lift that ban
Riddellnot today05:47
Hobbseeno, no plans for that :)05:48
=== Hobbsee could just forget about it forever, or lift it when poked in a few days, or issue a few week ban, etc...
DaSkreechHobbsee: Who is this?05:48
HobbseeDaSkreech: moron in #kubuntu05:48
HobbseeDaSkreech: girls dont exist on the intarweb, etc05:48
DaSkreechI can't hang around there at work anymore05:48

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