fdoving | those who really want KDE4.0 can use 3rdparty sources to get it.. kubuntu.org for example. | 12:16 |
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DaSkreech | mhb: If users don't care about KDE4 as an LTS product why should we have one? | 12:16 |
ryanakca | DaSkreech: aoeui! | 12:16 |
mhb | DaSkreech: the users don't care about LTS much. It's working & shinier = better for them :o) | 12:17 |
DaSkreech | mhb: Right and we already have a CD that scratches taht itch | 12:18 |
DaSkreech | That | 12:18 |
fdoving | i fear many will be dissapointed by KDE 4.0, many seem to think it'll be the perfect desktop once .0 is released. bug-free fast and shiny bling bling. i fear major .0 releases they are evil. | 12:18 |
ryanakca | hmm. | 12:20 |
mhb | fdoving: I really, really hope KDE 4.0 will suck. | 12:20 |
DaSkreech | fdoving: Whatever I don't care about that :) I care that people use it and a) we get an influx of complaints into a structure which handles it for good of KDE progress and b) they have a net that explains 1) the growing pains and 2) how to integrate the KDE3 plugs with the KDE4 holes | 12:20 |
DaSkreech | mhb: No fears mate! it will | 12:20 |
mhb | because, so to say, we bet our money on that option | 12:20 |
DaSkreech | but it should suck with a public face and speaker | 12:21 |
DaSkreech | which I hope is us | 12:21 |
fdoving | that's why i think making it easy to install/use KDE4.0 of course is a good thing, but i'm not so much for promising to plugg all holes as an LTS release would do. | 12:25 |
DaSkreech | mhb: Or to put it more correctly it will suck in comparison to KDE 4.2 | 12:27 |
fdoving | ScottK: gd-test.py says this before/while crashing: | 12:30 |
fdoving | In file tools/qgvector.cpp, line 176: Out of memory | 12:30 |
fdoving | that is in qt | 12:31 |
fdoving | http://rafb.net/p/fPHs3b64.html | 12:32 |
mhb | fdoving: yes, it does say that (it's stated in the bugreport, too) | 12:32 |
mhb | fdoving: I never suspected it'd be a Qt problem, though. The C++ code works. | 12:33 |
fdoving | yeah, i know. | 12:33 |
ScottK | Hmmm. That might make sense too. | 12:34 |
kwwii | Riddell, anyone: do you know where the sounds for kde go in SVN? | 12:34 |
mhb | fdoving: there's plenty of those on the net. | 12:35 |
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mhb | fdoving: errors like that, from various apps. | 12:35 |
fdoving | mhb: try to run your python test with valgrind. | 12:35 |
fdoving | it actually doesn't crash with valgrind. | 12:35 |
kwwii | someone must know where the kde sounds are in kde SVN please! | 12:37 |
fdoving | kwwii: kde4? | 12:42 |
kwwii | yes | 12:43 |
ScottK | fdoving: I've always assumed that wherever it crashed was just somewhat coincidental (the first malloc to not have room). | 12:43 |
kwwii | I assume they are in the same place as in kde3 but I cannot remember and I do not have kdebase checked out | 12:43 |
ScottK | It crashed with valgrind on my machine. | 12:43 |
fdoving | kwwii: there are two sounds at: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeartwork/sounds/ - in kde3 they are under kdebase, atleast when installed. | 12:44 |
kwwii | ahaaa.....thanks! | 12:44 |
fdoving | ScottK, mhb seen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/84717 ? | 12:49 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 84717 in update-manager "SRU: updates necessary for Kubuntu Upgrade Tool in Edgy" [Undecided,Fix released] | 12:49 |
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DaSkreech | they have them under oxygen as far as I know | 12:51 |
mhb | fdoving: pretty much about the same thing, I've seen that one. The problem with it for me was a) to much noise b) wrong package anyway . Are the comments there helpful in some way? | 12:51 |
ScottK | fdoving: I hadn't seen the bug, but those are the code changes I've been looking at out of edgy-updates. | 12:53 |
fdoving | kwwii: daskreech might be right, http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/sounds/ does have a few more sounds. | 12:53 |
fdoving | ScottK: exactly. | 12:54 |
kwwii | fdoving: lol, that is my project :p we want to put our stuff in kde4 so it is in the build now | 12:54 |
fdoving | kwwii: ah, ok. good :) | 12:54 |
DaSkreech | And the KDe4 theme | 12:54 |
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kwwii | ;-) | 12:55 |
kwwii | hug me...it would never have happened without tackat and myself | 12:55 |
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ScottK | fdoving: But I hadn't looked at kdelibs. Maybe something in there. http://launchpadlibrarian.net/6536952/kdelibs_3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2.debdiff | 12:55 |
kwwii | well, you still have to hug tackat, but huggin someone you don't know (and isn't here) is kinda funky | 12:56 |
DaSkreech | kwwii: Oh he's here :) | 12:56 |
DaSkreech | I just did the same way I did you | 12:57 |
mhb | funny how artist get forgotten even if the theme is highly anticipated | 12:57 |
kwwii | no shit | 12:57 |
kwwii | artwork is so important but nobody knows where it comes from and takes if for granted after it is there | 12:57 |
fdoving | like any other IT service, like e-mail :) | 12:58 |
fdoving | sysadmins and artists. | 12:58 |
mhb | kwwii: don't be sad, if there's a KDE department I like most, it's artwork | 12:58 |
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tackat | kwwii: hi | 12:59 |
kwwii | tackat!!!! | 12:59 |
tackat | kwwii! | 12:59 |
DaSkreech | tackat!!! | 01:00 |
tackat | we still need to drink a beer in Erlangen | 01:00 |
tackat | but I figured that Sunday was likely less than optimal ;) | 01:00 |
DaSkreech | I have a better idea | 01:00 |
kwwii | tackat: are you still at home? | 01:00 |
tackat | yes | 01:00 |
DaSkreech | drink a beer in !Erlangen | 01:00 |
kwwii | cool, I could make it in the evening sometime, but midday is hard with the family and all | 01:00 |
tackat | kwwii: So what do I hear about a music theme? | 01:01 |
DaSkreech | Are you both using the same ISP? | 01:01 |
tackat | or theme music or whatever :) ? | 01:01 |
kwwii | tackat: we have some killer stuff done, we just need to check it into svn | 01:01 |
tackat | DaSkreech: shhh, we are actually the same person | 01:01 |
kwwii | if only I could figure out where it should go | 01:02 |
DaSkreech | That would explain the beer drinking | 01:02 |
tackat | DaSkreech: did you see latest Marble already? | 01:02 |
DaSkreech | If it's for KDE4 it should be under oxygen sounds I think | 01:02 |
fdoving | drinking and making kde-sounds sounds cool :) | 01:02 |
DaSkreech | tackat: I keep trying to keep up | 01:03 |
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DaSkreech | You and aseigo make my life so damn hard | 01:03 |
tackat | http://developer.kde.org/~tackat/marble/marble_20070718_3.png | 01:03 |
tackat | http://developer.kde.org/~tackat/marble/marble_20070718_2.png | 01:03 |
DaSkreech | By the time I get to see it it's out of date :-( | 01:03 |
tackat | yeah | 01:03 |
DaSkreech | Neat :) | 01:04 |
DaSkreech | Need any caribbean data? | 01:04 |
tackat | not yet | 01:04 |
tackat | next one is openstreetmap | 01:04 |
DaSkreech | Ooooh I'm really happy about that one :) | 01:05 |
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kwwii | stepped things up to gin :p | 01:06 |
DaSkreech | GOota go | 01:13 |
DaSkreech | Gotta | 01:13 |
DaSkreech | tackat: catch you in a bit | 01:13 |
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fdoving | nite. | 01:30 |
nixternal | argh, this konqui constantly lockin' up on sites is killing me | 02:05 |
jdong | hmm... maybe I should package ktorrent 2.2.1? | 02:12 |
nixternal | umm..ya :) | 02:14 |
nixternal | speaking of ktorrent..I am using it to get "school of scoundrels" right now | 02:14 |
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manchicken_ | Good news folks! | 06:49 |
manchicken_ | Dacia and I put an offer down on a house today, and the seller accepted. | 06:49 |
ScottK | Congratulations. | 06:51 |
nixternal | rock on manchicken_ | 06:51 |
manchicken_ | Yeah, now we just need to bend over while folks start pulling money from where the sun doesn't shine. | 06:52 |
nixternal | gahaha..I am watching school for scoundrels...classic | 06:56 |
ScottK | If Hobbsee comes back, I'd appreciate it if someone would mention Bug #128164 to her. | 07:31 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 128164 in pinentry "Please merge pinentry-0.7.3-1 from Debian Unstable (Main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128164 | 07:31 |
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manchicken_ | This openoffice.org bug seems to be known to Debian folks. | 07:57 |
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Hobbsee | er, where would the admin/ dir of kdenetwork be? | 08:26 |
Hobbsee | seeing as i'ts not in the knetworkmanager tarball | 08:31 |
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_StefanS_ | morning | 09:36 |
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Riddell | kwwii_: kdebase-3.5.7/kcontrol/knotify/sounds/ | 10:54 |
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sredna | hi | 10:55 |
Riddell | good morning anders | 10:55 |
Riddell | isn't it a beautiful morning today? | 10:55 |
sredna | i'm trying to install the kde4 snapshot, but kde4base/kde4base-data/kde4base-dev fails for some reason | 10:55 |
Riddell | uh oh | 10:55 |
Riddell | from feisty or gutsy? | 10:55 |
sredna | Riddell: hi, and yes :) | 10:55 |
sredna | feisty | 10:55 |
Riddell | feisty-backports? | 10:56 |
sredna | those are enabled | 10:56 |
Riddell | can you put the error message in a pastebin? | 10:56 |
sredna | moment | 10:56 |
sredna | though i'm afraid they are in danish :o | 10:56 |
Riddell | I should be able to get the just of it | 10:57 |
sredna | http://pastebin.com/mfcc7356 | 10:58 |
Riddell | hmm, overlapping files | 10:58 |
Riddell | how strange, there have been several people test this | 10:59 |
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Riddell | sredna: did you have old kde4 packages installed previously? | 10:59 |
sredna | i don't think so | 10:59 |
Riddell | dpkg --install --force-overwrites /var/cache/apt/archives/kde4base-data_3.80.3-0ubuntu5_all.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/kde4base_3.80.3-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb; apt-get -f install | 10:59 |
Riddell | that should fix it | 11:00 |
sredna | let me try that | 11:00 |
Riddell | fdoving: you completed our first gutsy spec! | 11:01 |
sredna | i can't run dpkg, it complains that it can't open the lockfile (using sudo) :o | 11:03 |
Riddell | do you have another package manager running? | 11:03 |
Riddell | adept or synaptic or anything? | 11:03 |
sredna | maybe the kicker applet | 11:04 |
sredna | i quit that, but still no luck | 11:05 |
Riddell | does ps show any apt process running? | 11:07 |
Riddell | if not just delete the lock file | 11:07 |
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sredna | ah, done | 11:08 |
sredna | no | 11:10 |
sredna | still not working :( | 11:10 |
Riddell | which isn't? | 11:11 |
Riddell | it's --force-overwrite not --force-overwrites | 11:11 |
sredna | ah, that might help, now it appears to work | 11:12 |
sredna | :) | 11:12 |
sredna | Riddell: thank you for helping :) | 11:14 |
Riddell | I'll need to try and recreate that problem and get it fixed | 11:18 |
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fdoving | Riddell: yay, now that the first spec is finished. do you have any other small tasks for me? | 12:00 |
Riddell | fdoving: able to improve the !kde4 thing from ubotu? | 12:12 |
Riddell | I don't know if you have write permissions or not | 12:12 |
Riddell | small task, make About Kubuntu document decent | 12:12 |
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fdoving | i have ubotu powers. | 12:17 |
fdoving | !kde4 | 12:17 |
ubotu | For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org | 12:17 |
stdin | you know we had someone in #kubuntu say "I can't connect to the site appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org", we had to explain that they are all different sites on kde.org | 12:19 |
fdoving | i think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 is good. | 12:19 |
fdoving | ubotu kde4 is <reply> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more info see: | 12:23 |
fdoving | ehm. | 12:23 |
Riddell | fdoving: and the top story on kubuntu.org | 12:31 |
fdoving | Riddell: could we make it kubuntu.org/kde4 or something? - then update that to redirect to whatever new packages will be available? | 12:34 |
fdoving | if not the factoid will be outdated fast. | 12:35 |
Riddell | fdoving: not really with the current website | 12:35 |
fdoving | ok. | 12:35 |
fdoving | !no, kde4 is <reply> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at <http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule>. Alpha 2 packages are available at <http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha2.php>. | 12:35 |
ubotu | I'll remember that fdoving | 12:35 |
fdoving | how's that? | 12:36 |
Riddell | release scheule needs something to say it's not final | 12:36 |
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fdoving | the page says that. | 12:36 |
Riddell | spose so | 12:36 |
Riddell | ok, groovy | 12:36 |
fdoving | !no, kde4 is <reply> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at <http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule>. Alpha 2 packages can be found at <http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha2.php>. | 12:36 |
ubotu | I'll remember that fdoving | 12:36 |
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ScottK | The pinentry package needs a pinentry-qt4. Looking at pinentry-qt it looks like it would be easy for anyone who knows anything at all about qt4 (which would not be me). | 04:35 |
fdoving | i think there is a port somewhere. | 04:36 |
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Tonio_ | Riddell: I noticed the latest kde upload seems to break nspluginviewer | 04:43 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: freezes konqueror and overload the cpu to 100% | 04:43 |
Riddell | kde upload is a bit broad | 04:43 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: well as I'll delete the media patches, I'll look at what has been changed rencently to the packages | 04:44 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: also OOo really seems to be broken although nobody could confirm it to me (I was just ignored) | 04:45 |
Tonio_ | Hobbsee: ping ? | 04:45 |
Hobbsee | Tonio_: pong | 04:45 |
Tonio_ | would you please confirm OOo crashes when you open an odt file for example ? | 04:45 |
Riddell | Tonio_: various other people have complained about openoffice | 04:45 |
Tonio_ | Hobbsee: that started to happen yesterday | 04:45 |
Riddell | Tonio_: looks like kdesudo issue is sorted | 04:45 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: ah oki, I missed that, I'm not really looking at the channels, lack of time | 04:45 |
Hobbsee | Tonio_: there's already a bug filed for it | 04:45 |
Tonio_ | Hobbsee: oki I'll investigate toonight then :) | 04:50 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: thanks for kdesudo and the copyright thing debate :) | 04:50 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: was interesting and sorted out the issue, that's cool :) | 04:50 |
apachelogger | Riddell: new snapshot of one of kwin's capturing libraries: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6177 | 04:51 |
apachelogger | also fixed the issues from first upload | 04:51 |
apachelogger | next lib is following up ASAP | 04:52 |
jjesse | Tonio_: in gutsy OOO writer never gets pass the splash screen for me | 04:52 |
ScottK | It's a GTK2 issue. | 04:54 |
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Tonio_ | jjesse: well if I launch it empty, it seems to work, it just freezes when I try to open an opendocument file | 04:59 |
jjesse | Tonio_: same for me | 05:01 |
Tonio_ | jjesse: oki so no need to report again, that should be a known issue | 05:01 |
Tonio_ | jjesse: can you also confirm the nspluginviewer crash with konqueror ? | 05:01 |
jjesse | Tonio_: i can try, what bug # | 05:01 |
Tonio_ | jjesse: just go to a flash enabled website, and that should hang | 05:01 |
Tonio_ | jjesse: no bug atm, I'm waiting for confirmation to report | 05:02 |
Tonio_ | jjesse: can be a local problem due to my everyday tweaking my laptop :) | 05:02 |
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Tonio_ | hi mbiebl ;) | 05:02 |
jjesse | is nspluginviewr installed by defuatl? | 05:02 |
Tonio_ | jjesse: yep | 05:02 |
mbiebl | Tonio_: hi | 05:02 |
Tonio_ | jjesse: that's the binary that makes konqueror capable to use firefox plugins | 05:03 |
Hobbsee | mbiebl: greetings, there's a new knetworkmanager out | 05:03 |
Tonio_ | jjesse: seems to hang due to the latest flash package uploaded | 05:03 |
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Tonio_ | jjesse: btw works in firefox | 05:03 |
mbiebl | I'm uploading right at this momemt ;-) | 05:03 |
Tonio_ | Hobbsee: are you doing the new knetworkmanager ? I can do it toonight if yo want, I'll have time to work today | 05:03 |
Hobbsee | mbiebl: woo! | 05:03 |
Tonio_ | mbiebl: any new patches ? | 05:03 |
Hobbsee | Tonio_: havent looked tonight, i've been out | 05:04 |
jjesse | when i visit youtube or espn it tells me to install flash | 05:04 |
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Tonio_ | Hobbsee: great, so I'll handle the package :) | 05:04 |
mbiebl | Some of the patches I had were merged upstream. | 05:04 |
Tonio_ | mbiebl: I'll merge your changes toonight then, as long as the package is accessible | 05:04 |
Tonio_ | mbiebl: when will it be available on packages.debian ? | 05:04 |
mbiebl | Tonio_: There was also a change in the build-deps, as the upstream tarball doesn't ship an admin/ dir. | 05:05 |
DaSkreech | jjesse: Write them and tell them to support gnash | 05:05 |
mbiebl | I had to build-dep on kapptemplate and copy it from there (in debian/rules). | 05:05 |
mbiebl | Tonio_: It will be available this night. | 05:05 |
Tonio_ | jjesse: seems you don't have flash installed then, or at least not activated in konqueror | 05:05 |
mbiebl | Tonio_: You can also access the pkg-utopia SVN though. I'll commit my changes there. | 05:06 |
Tonio_ | mbiebl: oki, well I'd be interested in having the package a bit sooner, as my freetime to work on the package is very limited at the moment | 05:06 |
Tonio_ | mbiebl: oki great, I'll go with this then | 05:06 |
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mbiebl | Tonio_: Just give me a sec, then I'll do the commit and give you the URL | 05:06 |
ryanakca | Tonio_: oh, Umm. I think qcomicbook can be synced, it builds fine in a gutsy sbuild. I don't know much about the Ubuntu changes, and your the maintainer, so, if it can be synced, mind filing the sync? | 05:06 |
Tonio_ | mbiebl: super, you rock :) | 05:06 |
nixternal | mornin' | 05:07 |
Tonio_ | ryanakca: sure | 05:07 |
ryanakca | Tonio_: thanks :) | 05:07 |
ryanakca | Hey nixternal | 05:07 |
Tonio_ | ryanakca: as long as a package can be used from debian directly, let's go | 05:07 |
jjesse | hiya nixternal | 05:07 |
Tonio_ | ryanakca: that's less work for us :) | 05:07 |
ryanakca | Tonio_: Yep, I downloaded the .dsc, and it builds fine in a gutsy sbuild | 05:07 |
Tonio_ | let's sync then :) | 05:07 |
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joejaxx | Good Morning All :) | 05:08 |
Hobbsee | morning joejaxx | 05:08 |
joejaxx | :) | 05:09 |
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DaSkreech | ^^^ See? | 05:10 |
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mbiebl | Tonio_: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-utopia/packages/unstable/knetworkmanager | 05:19 |
joejaxx | Hobbsee: pm? | 05:20 |
Tonio_ | mbiebl: super, that'll be merged toonight | 05:20 |
Hobbsee | joejaxx: sure | 05:20 |
ScottK | nixternal: Any interest in doing a small qt3 to qt4 port as a "learning experience"? | 05:21 |
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nixternal | hehe, another port? | 05:23 |
nixternal | what is it? | 05:23 |
ScottK | pinentry | 05:23 |
ScottK | It has a pinentry-qt, but no pinentry-qt4. | 05:23 |
ScottK | We're gonna need it I'm pretty sure to get to gnupg. | 05:24 |
nixternal | ahh, sure I will take a look at it | 05:24 |
ScottK | Great. | 05:24 |
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ScottK | nixternal: I put in a feature request upstream for it, if you decide to take a whack at it, you might want to comment there: https://intevation.de/roundup/aegypten/issue773 | 05:27 |
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Hobbsee | Riddell: why didnt you give them both the boot? | 05:35 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: I didn't see any notably sexist comments from elite101 only grahama | 05:37 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: they were both bad. elite was worse further up | 05:38 |
Hobbsee | (he's now bitching on the ban) | 05:38 |
Riddell | which isn't to say I didn't miss any | 05:38 |
Hobbsee | fair enough. i gave the other one the boot | 05:38 |
Riddell | who controls #kubuntu-offtopic these days? | 05:39 |
Hobbsee | nalioth, i think | 05:40 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: can you pastebin the last hundred lines or whatever, and i'll deal with them too? | 05:40 |
Riddell | I'm not in #k-o | 05:40 |
Hobbsee | oh right | 05:41 |
Riddell | just worth keeping an eye on incase they end up on the same topic in there | 05:41 |
Hobbsee | indeed. | 05:41 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: oh, i'll just tell them that i'm a core dev, and can kill their computers. because after all, girls cant be trusted with technology. | 05:42 |
Hobbsee | that should shut them up | 05:42 |
ScottK | Hobbsee: pinentry FTBFS on sparc, but it's because libgtk2 is FTBFS there, so I guess it's just a giveback after libgtk2 gets fixed, right? | 05:43 |
Hobbsee | ScottK: yep | 05:43 |
ScottK | OK. I'll keep an eye on it then. | 05:43 |
ScottK | Thanks. | 05:43 |
Hobbsee | no problem | 05:46 |
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Riddell | not today | 05:47 |
Hobbsee | no, no plans for that :) | 05:48 |
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DaSkreech | Hobbsee: Who is this? | 05:48 |
Hobbsee | DaSkreech: moron in #kubuntu | 05:48 |
DaSkreech | ah | 05:48 |
Hobbsee | DaSkreech: girls dont exist on the intarweb, etc | 05:48 |
DaSkreech | I can't hang around there at work anymore | 05:48 |
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