[12:16] <fdoving> those who really want KDE4.0 can use 3rdparty sources to get it.. kubuntu.org for example.
[12:16] <DaSkreech> mhb: If users don't care about KDE4 as an LTS product why should we have one?
[12:16] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: aoeui!
[12:17] <mhb> DaSkreech: the users don't care about LTS much. It's working & shinier = better for them :o)
[12:18] <DaSkreech> mhb: Right and we already have a CD that scratches taht itch
[12:18] <DaSkreech> That
[12:18] <fdoving> i fear many will be dissapointed by KDE 4.0, many seem to think it'll be the perfect desktop once .0 is released. bug-free fast and shiny bling bling. i fear major .0 releases they are evil.
[12:20] <ryanakca> hmm.
[12:20] <mhb> fdoving: I really, really hope KDE 4.0 will suck.
[12:20] <DaSkreech> fdoving: Whatever I don't care about that :) I care that people use it and a) we get an influx of complaints into a structure which handles it for good of KDE progress and b) they have a net that explains 1) the growing pains and 2) how to integrate the KDE3 plugs with the KDE4 holes
[12:20] <DaSkreech> mhb: No fears mate! it will
[12:20] <mhb> because, so to say, we bet our money on that option
[12:21] <DaSkreech> but it should suck with a public face and speaker
[12:21] <DaSkreech>  which I hope is us
[12:25] <fdoving> that's why i think making it easy to install/use KDE4.0 of course is a good thing, but i'm not so much for promising to plugg all holes as an LTS release would do.
[12:27] <DaSkreech> mhb: Or to put it more correctly it will suck in comparison to KDE 4.2
[12:30] <fdoving> ScottK: gd-test.py says this before/while crashing:
[12:30] <fdoving> In file tools/qgvector.cpp, line 176: Out of memory
[12:31] <fdoving> that is in qt
[12:32] <fdoving> http://rafb.net/p/fPHs3b64.html
[12:32] <mhb> fdoving: yes, it does say that (it's stated in the bugreport, too)
[12:33] <mhb> fdoving: I never suspected it'd be a Qt problem, though. The C++ code works.
[12:33] <fdoving> yeah, i know.
[12:34] <ScottK> Hmmm.  That might make sense too.
[12:34] <kwwii> Riddell, anyone: do you know where the sounds for kde go in SVN?
[12:35] <mhb> fdoving: there's plenty of those on the net.
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[12:35] <mhb> fdoving: errors like that, from various apps.
[12:35] <fdoving> mhb: try to run your python test with valgrind.
[12:35] <fdoving> it actually doesn't crash with valgrind.
[12:37] <kwwii> someone must know where the kde sounds are in kde SVN please!
[12:42] <fdoving> kwwii: kde4?
[12:43] <kwwii> yes
[12:43] <ScottK> fdoving: I've always assumed that wherever it crashed was just somewhat coincidental (the first malloc to not have room).
[12:43] <kwwii> I assume they are in the same place as in kde3 but I cannot remember and I do not have kdebase checked out
[12:43] <ScottK> It crashed with valgrind on my machine.
[12:44] <fdoving> kwwii: there are two sounds at: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeartwork/sounds/ - in kde3 they are under kdebase, atleast when installed.
[12:44] <kwwii> ahaaa.....thanks!
[12:49] <fdoving> ScottK, mhb seen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/84717 ?
[12:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 84717 in update-manager "SRU: updates necessary for Kubuntu Upgrade Tool in Edgy" [Undecided,Fix released] 
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[12:51] <DaSkreech> they have them under oxygen as far as I know
[12:51] <mhb> fdoving: pretty much about the same thing, I've seen that one. The problem with it for me was a) to much noise b) wrong package anyway . Are the comments there helpful in some way?
[12:53] <ScottK> fdoving: I hadn't seen the bug, but those are the code changes I've been looking at out of edgy-updates.
[12:53] <fdoving> kwwii: daskreech might be right, http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/sounds/ does have a few more sounds.
[12:54] <fdoving> ScottK: exactly.
[12:54] <kwwii> fdoving: lol, that is my project :p we want to put our stuff in kde4 so it is in the build now
[12:54] <fdoving> kwwii: ah, ok. good :)
[12:54] <DaSkreech> And the KDe4 theme
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[12:55] <kwwii> ;-)
[12:55] <kwwii> hug me...it would never have happened without tackat and myself
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[12:55] <ScottK> fdoving: But I hadn't looked at kdelibs.  Maybe something in there.  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/6536952/kdelibs_3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2.debdiff
[12:56] <kwwii> well, you still have to hug tackat, but huggin someone you don't know (and isn't here) is kinda funky
[12:56] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Oh he's here :)
[12:57] <DaSkreech> I just did  the same way I did you
[12:57] <mhb> funny how artist get forgotten even if the theme is highly anticipated
[12:57] <kwwii> no shit
[12:57] <kwwii> artwork is so important but nobody knows where it comes from and takes if for granted after it is there
[12:58] <fdoving> like any other IT service, like e-mail :)
[12:58] <fdoving> sysadmins and artists.
[12:58] <mhb> kwwii: don't be sad, if there's a KDE department I like most, it's artwork
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[12:59] <tackat> kwwii: hi
[12:59] <kwwii> tackat!!!!
[12:59] <tackat> kwwii!
[01:00] <DaSkreech> tackat!!!
[01:00] <tackat> we still need to drink a beer in Erlangen
[01:00] <tackat> but I figured that Sunday was likely less than optimal ;)
[01:00] <DaSkreech> I have a better idea
[01:00] <kwwii> tackat: are you still at home?
[01:00] <tackat> yes
[01:00] <DaSkreech>  drink a beer in !Erlangen
[01:00] <kwwii> cool, I could make it in the evening sometime, but midday is hard with the family and all
[01:01] <tackat> kwwii: So what do I hear about a music theme?
[01:01] <DaSkreech> Are you both using the same ISP?
[01:01] <tackat> or theme music or whatever :) ?
[01:01] <kwwii> tackat: we have some killer stuff done, we just need to check it into svn
[01:01] <tackat> DaSkreech: shhh, we are actually the same person
[01:02] <kwwii> if only I could figure out where it should go
[01:02] <DaSkreech> That would explain the beer drinking
[01:02] <tackat> DaSkreech: did you see latest Marble already?
[01:02] <DaSkreech> If it's for KDE4 it should be under oxygen sounds I think
[01:02] <fdoving> drinking and making kde-sounds sounds cool :)
[01:03] <DaSkreech> tackat: I keep trying to keep up
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[01:03] <DaSkreech>  You and aseigo make my life so damn hard
[01:03] <tackat> http://developer.kde.org/~tackat/marble/marble_20070718_3.png
[01:03] <tackat> http://developer.kde.org/~tackat/marble/marble_20070718_2.png
[01:03] <DaSkreech> By the time I get to see it it's out of date :-(
[01:03] <tackat> yeah
[01:04] <DaSkreech> Neat :)
[01:04] <DaSkreech>  Need any caribbean data?
[01:04] <tackat> not yet
[01:04] <tackat> next one is openstreetmap
[01:05] <DaSkreech> Ooooh I'm really happy about that one :)
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[01:06] <kwwii> stepped things up to gin :p
[01:13] <DaSkreech> GOota go
[01:13] <DaSkreech> Gotta
[01:13] <DaSkreech> tackat: catch you in a bit
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[01:30] <fdoving> nite.
[02:05] <nixternal> argh, this konqui constantly lockin' up on sites is killing me
[02:12] <jdong> hmm... maybe I should package ktorrent 2.2.1?
[02:14] <nixternal> umm..ya :)
[02:14] <nixternal> speaking of ktorrent..I am using it to get "school of scoundrels" right now
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[06:49] <manchicken_> Good news folks!
[06:49] <manchicken_> Dacia and I put an offer down on a house today, and the seller accepted.
[06:51] <ScottK> Congratulations.
[06:51] <nixternal> rock on manchicken_
[06:52] <manchicken_> Yeah, now we just need to bend over while folks start pulling money from where the sun doesn't shine.
[06:56] <nixternal> gahaha..I am watching school for scoundrels...classic
[07:31] <ScottK> If Hobbsee comes back, I'd appreciate it if someone would mention Bug #128164 to her.
[07:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128164 in pinentry "Please merge pinentry-0.7.3-1 from Debian Unstable (Main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128164
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[07:57] <manchicken_> This openoffice.org bug seems to be known to Debian folks.
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[08:26] <Hobbsee> er, where would the admin/ dir of kdenetwork be?
[08:31] <Hobbsee> seeing as i'ts not in the knetworkmanager tarball
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[09:36] <_StefanS_> morning
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[10:54] <Riddell> kwwii_: kdebase-3.5.7/kcontrol/knotify/sounds/
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[10:55] <sredna> hi
[10:55] <Riddell> good morning anders
[10:55] <Riddell> isn't it a beautiful morning today?
[10:55] <sredna> i'm trying to install the kde4 snapshot, but kde4base/kde4base-data/kde4base-dev fails for some reason
[10:55] <Riddell> uh oh
[10:55] <Riddell> from feisty or gutsy?
[10:55] <sredna> Riddell: hi, and yes :)
[10:55] <sredna> feisty
[10:56] <Riddell> feisty-backports?
[10:56] <sredna> those are enabled
[10:56] <Riddell> can you put the error message in a pastebin?
[10:56] <sredna> moment
[10:56] <sredna> though i'm afraid they are in danish :o
[10:57] <Riddell> I should be able to get the just of it
[10:58] <sredna> http://pastebin.com/mfcc7356
[10:58] <Riddell> hmm, overlapping files
[10:59] <Riddell> how strange, there have been several people test this
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[10:59] <Riddell> sredna: did you have old kde4 packages installed previously?
[10:59] <sredna> i don't think so
[10:59] <Riddell> dpkg --install --force-overwrites /var/cache/apt/archives/kde4base-data_3.80.3-0ubuntu5_all.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/kde4base_3.80.3-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb; apt-get -f install
[11:00] <Riddell> that should fix it
[11:00] <sredna> let me try that
[11:01] <Riddell> fdoving: you completed our first gutsy spec!
[11:03] <sredna> i can't run dpkg, it complains that it can't open the lockfile (using sudo) :o
[11:03] <Riddell> do you have another package manager running?
[11:03] <Riddell> adept or synaptic or anything?
[11:04] <sredna> maybe the kicker applet
[11:05] <sredna> i quit that, but still no luck
[11:07] <Riddell> does ps show any apt process running?
[11:07] <Riddell> if not just delete the lock file
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[11:08] <sredna> ah, done
[11:10] <sredna> no
[11:10] <sredna> still not working :(
[11:11] <Riddell> which isn't?
[11:11] <Riddell> it's --force-overwrite not --force-overwrites
[11:12] <sredna> ah, that might help, now it appears to work
[11:12] <sredna> :)
[11:14] <sredna> Riddell: thank you for helping :)
[11:18] <Riddell> I'll need to try and recreate that problem and get it fixed
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[12:00] <fdoving> Riddell: yay, now that the first spec is finished. do you have any other small tasks for me?
[12:12] <Riddell> fdoving: able to improve the !kde4 thing from ubotu?
[12:12] <Riddell> I don't know if you have write permissions or not
[12:12] <Riddell> small task, make About Kubuntu document decent
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[12:17] <fdoving> i have ubotu powers.
[12:17] <fdoving> !kde4
[12:17] <ubotu> For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[12:19] <stdin> you know we had someone in #kubuntu say "I can't connect to the site appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org", we had to explain that they are all different sites on kde.org
[12:19] <fdoving> i  think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 is good.
[12:23] <fdoving> ubotu kde4 is <reply> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more info see:
[12:23] <fdoving> ehm.
[12:31] <Riddell> fdoving: and the top story on kubuntu.org
[12:34] <fdoving> Riddell: could we make it kubuntu.org/kde4 or something? - then update that to redirect to whatever new packages will be available?
[12:35] <fdoving> if not the factoid will be outdated fast.
[12:35] <Riddell> fdoving: not really with the current website
[12:35] <fdoving> ok.
[12:35] <fdoving> !no, kde4 is <reply> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at <http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule>. Alpha 2 packages are available at <http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha2.php>.
[12:35] <ubotu> I'll remember that fdoving
[12:36] <fdoving> how's that?
[12:36] <Riddell> release scheule needs something to say it's not final
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[12:36] <fdoving> the page says that.
[12:36] <Riddell> spose so
[12:36] <Riddell> ok, groovy
[12:36] <fdoving> !no, kde4 is <reply> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at <http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule>. Alpha 2 packages can be found at <http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha2.php>.
[12:36] <ubotu> I'll remember that fdoving
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=== ScottK wonders if we have any budding qt4 hackers that would be interested in a small porting project.
[04:35] <ScottK> The pinentry package needs a pinentry-qt4.  Looking at pinentry-qt it looks like it would be easy for anyone who knows anything at all about qt4 (which would not be me).
[04:36] <fdoving> i think there is a port somewhere.
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[04:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: I noticed the latest kde upload seems to break nspluginviewer
[04:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: freezes konqueror and overload the cpu to 100%
[04:43] <Riddell> kde upload is a bit broad
[04:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: well as I'll delete the media patches, I'll look at what has been changed rencently to the packages
[04:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: also OOo really seems to be broken although nobody could confirm it to me (I was just ignored)
[04:45] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ping ?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: pong
[04:45] <Tonio_> would you please confirm OOo crashes when you open an odt file for example ?
[04:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: various other people have complained about openoffice
[04:45] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that started to happen yesterday
[04:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: looks like kdesudo issue is sorted
[04:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah oki, I missed that, I'm not really looking at the channels, lack of time
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: there's already a bug filed for it
[04:50] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: oki I'll investigate toonight then :)
[04:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks for kdesudo and the copyright thing debate :)
[04:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: was interesting and sorted out the issue, that's cool :)
[04:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: new snapshot of one of kwin's capturing libraries: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6177
[04:51] <apachelogger> also fixed the issues from first upload
[04:52] <apachelogger> next lib is following up ASAP
[04:52] <jjesse> Tonio_: in gutsy OOO writer never gets pass the splash screen for me
[04:54] <ScottK> It's a GTK2 issue.
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[04:59] <Tonio_> jjesse: well if I launch it empty, it seems to work, it just freezes when I try to open an opendocument file
[05:01] <jjesse> Tonio_: same for me
[05:01] <Tonio_> jjesse: oki so no need to report again, that should be a known issue
[05:01] <Tonio_> jjesse: can you also confirm the nspluginviewer crash with konqueror ?
[05:01] <jjesse> Tonio_: i can try, what bug #
[05:01] <Tonio_> jjesse: just go to a flash enabled website, and that should hang
[05:02] <Tonio_> jjesse: no bug atm, I'm waiting for confirmation to report
[05:02] <Tonio_> jjesse: can be a local problem due to my everyday tweaking my laptop :)
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[05:02] <Tonio_> hi mbiebl ;)
[05:02] <jjesse> is nspluginviewr installed by defuatl?
[05:02] <Tonio_> jjesse: yep
[05:02] <mbiebl> Tonio_: hi
[05:03] <Tonio_> jjesse: that's the binary that makes konqueror capable to use firefox plugins
[05:03] <Hobbsee> mbiebl: greetings, there's a new knetworkmanager out
[05:03] <Tonio_> jjesse: seems to hang due to the latest flash package uploaded
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[05:03] <Tonio_> jjesse: btw works in firefox
[05:03] <mbiebl> I'm uploading right at this momemt ;-)
[05:03] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: are you doing the new knetworkmanager ? I can do it toonight if yo want, I'll have time to work today
[05:03] <Hobbsee> mbiebl: woo!
[05:03] <Tonio_> mbiebl: any new patches ?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: havent looked tonight, i've been out
[05:04] <jjesse> when i visit youtube or espn it tells me to install flash
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[05:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: great, so I'll handle the package :)
[05:04] <mbiebl> Some of the patches I had were merged upstream.
[05:04] <Tonio_> mbiebl: I'll merge your changes toonight then, as long as the package is accessible
[05:04] <Tonio_> mbiebl: when will it be available on packages.debian ?
[05:05] <mbiebl> Tonio_: There was also a change in the build-deps, as the upstream tarball doesn't ship an admin/ dir.
[05:05] <DaSkreech> jjesse: Write them and tell them to support gnash
[05:05] <mbiebl> I had to build-dep on kapptemplate and copy it from there (in debian/rules).
[05:05] <mbiebl> Tonio_: It will be available this night.
[05:05] <Tonio_> jjesse: seems you don't have flash installed then, or at least not activated in konqueror
[05:06] <mbiebl> Tonio_: You can also access the pkg-utopia SVN though. I'll commit my changes there.
[05:06] <Tonio_> mbiebl: oki, well I'd be interested in having the package a bit sooner, as my freetime to work on the package is very limited at the moment
[05:06] <Tonio_> mbiebl: oki great, I'll go with this then
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[05:06] <mbiebl> Tonio_: Just give me a sec, then I'll do the commit and give you the URL
[05:06] <ryanakca> Tonio_: oh, Umm. I think qcomicbook can be synced, it builds fine in a gutsy sbuild. I don't know much about the Ubuntu changes, and your the maintainer, so, if it can be synced, mind filing the sync?
[05:06] <Tonio_> mbiebl: super, you rock :)
[05:07] <nixternal> mornin'
[05:07] <Tonio_> ryanakca: sure
[05:07] <ryanakca> Tonio_: thanks :)
[05:07] <ryanakca> Hey nixternal
[05:07] <Tonio_> ryanakca: as long as a package can be used from debian directly, let's go
[05:07] <jjesse> hiya nixternal
[05:07] <Tonio_> ryanakca: that's less work for us :)
[05:07] <ryanakca> Tonio_: Yep, I downloaded the .dsc, and it builds fine in a gutsy sbuild
[05:07] <Tonio_> let's sync then :)
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[05:08] <joejaxx> Good Morning All :)
[05:08] <Hobbsee> morning joejaxx
[05:09] <joejaxx> :)
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[05:10] <DaSkreech> ^^^ See?
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[05:19] <mbiebl> Tonio_: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-utopia/packages/unstable/knetworkmanager
[05:20] <joejaxx> Hobbsee: pm?
[05:20] <Tonio_> mbiebl: super, that'll be merged toonight
[05:20] <Hobbsee> joejaxx: sure
[05:21] <ScottK> nixternal: Any interest in doing a small qt3 to qt4 port as a "learning experience"?
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[05:23] <nixternal> hehe, another port?
[05:23] <nixternal> what is it?
[05:23] <ScottK> pinentry
[05:23] <ScottK> It has a pinentry-qt, but no pinentry-qt4.
[05:24] <ScottK> We're gonna need it I'm pretty sure to get to gnupg.
[05:24] <nixternal> ahh, sure I will take a look at it
[05:24] <ScottK> Great.
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[05:27] <ScottK> nixternal: I put in a feature request upstream for it, if you decide to take a whack at it, you might want to comment there: https://intevation.de/roundup/aegypten/issue773
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[05:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why didnt you give them both the boot?
[05:37] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I didn't see any notably sexist comments from elite101 only grahama
[05:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: they were both bad.  elite was worse further up
[05:38] <Hobbsee> (he's now bitching on the ban)
[05:38] <Riddell> which isn't to say I didn't miss any
[05:38] <Hobbsee> fair enough.  i gave the other one the boot
[05:39] <Riddell> who controls #kubuntu-offtopic these days?
[05:40] <Hobbsee> nalioth, i think
[05:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can you pastebin the last hundred lines or whatever, and i'll deal with them too?
[05:40] <Riddell> I'm not in #k-o
[05:41] <Hobbsee> oh right
[05:41] <Riddell> just worth keeping an eye on incase they end up on the same topic in there
[05:41] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[05:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh, i'll just tell them that i'm a core dev, and can kill their computers.  because after all, girls cant be trusted with technology.
[05:42] <Hobbsee> that should shut them up
[05:43] <ScottK> Hobbsee: pinentry FTBFS on sparc, but it's because libgtk2 is FTBFS there, so I guess it's just a giveback after libgtk2 gets fixed, right?
[05:43] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yep
[05:43] <ScottK> OK.  I'll keep an eye on it then.
[05:43] <ScottK> Thanks.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> no problem
=== Hobbsee ponders when to lift that ban
[05:47] <Riddell> not today
[05:48] <Hobbsee> no, no plans for that :)
=== Hobbsee could just forget about it forever, or lift it when poked in a few days, or issue a few week ban, etc...
[05:48] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Who is this?
[05:48] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: moron in #kubuntu
[05:48] <DaSkreech> ah
[05:48] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: girls dont exist on the intarweb, etc
[05:48] <DaSkreech> I can't hang around there at work anymore