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vbabiyO ok12:14
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jwendellHi geser, i saw i've commented on my upload01:05
jwendellTheMuso, could you review it now? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=616301:07
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RAOFSweet zombie jesus, why does our azureus package use CDBS and Debian's use raw debhelper?01:43
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StevenKHeh. Neat.01:46
RAOFNo.  Not neat.01:47
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ajmitchbecause someone though it'd be nice to change01:48
StevenKBlame Fujitsu.01:48
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StevenKActually, surely the changelog should say who is to blame.01:51
ajmitchonly if someone was helpful enough to document it01:53
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=== RAOF suspects jdong, if only because his name is last on our changelog.
calcRAOF: yea i looked at the azureus package and ran away from it quick01:56
calcRAOF: i was going to merge it a while back but decided to leave it for the experts ;)01:56
RAOFRight.  So, I'm going to do my darndest to ensure that we can just sync the darn thing in future.01:57
calcprobably figure out what is useful difference and then just add that to the debian version01:58
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TheMusoHey RAOF, ajmitch, StevenK.01:59
RAOFHey TheMuso.01:59
RAOFWhy do people suddenly feel that bugs like "please merge foo from bar" will magically attract swarms of merge fairies?02:00
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ajmitchhello TheMuso 02:01
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calchow long does it take to get a resolution for a core dev app?02:01
calci applied 11 days ago and only got one response since then, heh02:02
calcnot even -1 go away messsages02:02
RAOFMan, we patch the living bejeezus out of azureus.02:11
StevenKazureus_2.5.0.0repack1-0ubuntu1.patch 05-Jan-2007 08:10   20M02:12
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calcRAOF: kill it! :)02:16
nixternaljwendell: you are one l off of being the super famous fatal1ty :)02:16
jwendellok, i'm sorry02:17
nixternalcalc: how many people have bugged you so far about OOo locking up?02:17
calcRAOF: maybe azureus should stay as is for testing new MOTU's skill of fixing stuff ;)02:17
calcnixternal: a few apparently its a bug in new gtk02:17
calcnixternal: works fine on my box though so its not easily reproducible apparently02:17
nixternalhehe, ya that bug in GTK broke a few things02:17
StevenKcalc: Yeah, and how many people would we scare off saying "Fix that hulking piece of crap" ?02:17
nixternalit just started today for me02:17
calcStevenK: hehe02:17
nixternalor I noticed it today02:17
Amaranthcalc: for core-dev you have to wait for a TB meeting02:18
calcAmaranth: oh ok, i don't need full +1 vote from motu council though?02:18
StevenKAmaranth: But he hasn't even gotten one vote yet02:18
calcStevenK: i got one i think02:18
calcyea from stefan02:18
=== StevenK votes -1. Not anymore. :-P
calcStevenK: :P02:18
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RAOFAh, OK.  That's why azureus is such a pest.  Debian isn't the upstream source, Fedora Core is!02:25
StevenKRAOF: Surely sync'ing the damn thing is in our best interest.02:27
RAOFWe'll have a bunch of regessions doing that, particularly the gcj native build.02:29
StevenKOkay, how about a patch smaller than 20Mb? :-)02:29
RAOFBut, yes, syncing the damn thing seems like a good idea :)02:29
RAOFI can probably manage that.02:30
=== RAOF wonders if anyone would miss the gcj build. AFAIK it's never really worked terribly well.
StevenKI thought gcj was quicker02:32
RAOFYes, but not than running on the actual java VM?02:32
RAOFAlso, works less often, at least as far as ubuntuforums seems to think.02:32
StevenKYou can file a sync saying "The gcj build is crap and doesn't work so should go" would probably work.02:35
=== RAOF blinks at the azureus package again.
RAOFYou know, the upstream tarball seems to be repacked into a new subdirectory, and have some random plugins added to it.02:40
=== RAOF starts whistling "sync, sync, sync, sync!" (to the tune of the spam song)
ScottKSync and if it doesn't work, file a removal bug.02:43
ScottKajmitch: That's the bitterness.02:44
RAOFSo, I'll sync it, which will drop the gcj build and a bunch of plugins which should be in a separate "azureus-plugins" package *anyway*.  Then I'll package those up from the actual tarball.02:46
TheMusoRAOF: Does the sid package build in Gutsy?02:47
RAOFJust checking, thanks.02:50
RAOFBut I'm pretty sure it has to; it doesn't seem to actually do any building.02:51
RAOF...or it would, if we called the gtk swt libraries the same thing!02:55
TheMusoOh lovely.02:55
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ajmitchScottK: yay!03:01
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zuloh lindsay lohan will you ever learn03:19
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TheMusoOh do we even care?03:24
StevenKI don't, for one.03:26
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ajmitchwho's that?03:29
TheMusoajmitch: heh yeah.03:30
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RAOFRight, so libswt3.2-gtk-java violates policy.  Yay.03:44
TheMusoRAOF: Well its in universe. Get fixing. :p03:47
StevenKRAOF: Hrm? How?03:47
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RAOFStevenK: It installs it's libs to /usr/lib/java; policy says they go to /usr/share/java03:48
StevenKAnyone running Gutsy on a desktop?03:49
TheMusoStevenK: I plan to in a week or so...03:50
NafalloStevenK: yes03:50
RAOFFurthermore, it's built from eclipse source, the latest upload of which fails to build.03:50
RAOFStevenK: Does a laptop count? :)03:50
RAOFThen "yes".03:50
StevenKNafallo, RAOF: Do either of you mind seeing if bug 99934 is fixed?03:50
ubotuLaunchpad bug 99934 in seahorse "Stalls in infinite loop when creating new ElGamel subkey" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9993403:50
StevenKIt's marked as fixed in Gnome's bug tracker, and Gutsy has 2.19.5, so it should be okay, but I can't check.03:51
=== ScottK is running Kubuntu, so I guess that's no help.
RAOFStevenK: Nope.  Still hangs.03:53
RAOFI'll leave it running though, to see if it's just taking *ages*03:53
StevenKGasp. persia is to blame for eclipse.03:53
RAOFThe policy violation is presumably still in Debian, though, that was a sync.03:54
StevenKLooks like missing Build-Depends.03:55
RAOFStevenK: Sorry, that is fixed.  It just takes a long time without any feedback.03:55
StevenK     [exec]  xpcom.h:17:21: error: nsXPCOM.h: No such file or directory03:55
StevenK     [exec]  xpcom.h:18:27: error: nsEmbedString.h: No such file or directory03:55
StevenK     [exec]  xpcom.h:19:28: error: nsIInputStream.h: No such file or directory03:55
StevenKRAOF: Great, do you want to comment on the bug and nail it shut?03:55
RAOFIt's not being built against xulrunner surely?03:55
RAOFStevenK: Certainly.03:55
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StevenKActually, a little bit further up the build says "*** Mozilla embedding support will not be compiled."03:56
StevenKRAOF: And yes, it is being built against xulrunner.03:57
StevenKRAOF: Should that be fixed?03:58
=== RAOF had nothing but annoying segfaults trying to build democracy against xulrunner. But that was because the gnome-extras package is built against firefox, I think.
=== StevenK looks up if those header files exist in libxul-dev
RAOFStevenK: Maybe.  I'll try building the newer eclipse against firefox.03:59
StevenKIt might just need a give-back. xulrunner was last touched 05/07, and eclipse was synced in the middle of June04:00
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StevenKRAOF: If you aren't playing with eclipse, I'd suggest it get given back.04:07
RAOFStevenK: I'm not playing with it.  Although there's a new debian revision that should be sync'd, too.04:09
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StevenKRAOF: I can file a sync after lunch.04:12
RAOFThat'll be preferable to a giveback, right04:13
RAOFI can do it, if you don't get to it first.04:14
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TheMusoAfternoon Hobbsee.04:24
ajmitchyay for people who refuse to file bugs04:25
ajmitchhello Hobbsee 04:25
Hobbseeheya TheMuso!04:26
Hobbseerefuse to fix the bug, until they file a good one04:26
Hobbseehiya ajmitch 04:26
ajmitchthis person has a history of going on irc, complaining about something, and not wanting to file a bug in launchpad04:26
TheMusoajmitch: -kernel... i.e kano?04:27
ajmitchcertainly not the first time this has happened04:27
TheMusoYou'd think he's have learnt by now.04:28
=== ScottK is enjoying #launchpad tonight and swears he didn't put anyone up to anything.
ajmitchTheMuso: some people don't learn04:28
ajmitchHobbsee can attest to that04:28
=== nixternal too
TheMusoajmitch: I'm actually starting to find that out through reviewing packages.04:28
TheMusoI have found myself thinking that people would learn from what we point out to them.04:28
Hobbseeajmitch: oh, kano04:29
TheMusoWHich obviously doesn't happen as often as we'd like.04:29
ajmitchHobbsee: another one of your friends04:29
ScottKMaybe we need a rule that no one can add a package until they've had a removal request fulfilled.04:29
TheMusoScottK: Whaa?04:29
Hobbseeajmitch: no, he's been in -devel repeatedly too04:29
ScottKJust thinking it's cut down on the cruft in the repos and deter people who don't know what they are doing/really want the package from giving us junk to review.04:30
ajmitchHobbsee: I know :)04:30
ajmitchScottK: sure, what should I remove to get some new stuff in?04:31
HobbseeScottK: then htey'd file removal requests on things like debian-installer or something.04:31
ajmitchnah, kde*04:31
=== ScottK was thinking it didn't count until it was actually removed, so they'd need to find something real.
=== ScottK is also, of course, kidding.
TheMusoScottK: I get your drift though.04:32
ajmitch19:11 -!- Kano [n=kano@]  has joined #ubuntu-devel04:32
ajmitch19:12 < Kano> hi, please update mc in feisty. it is broken badly!04:32
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ajmitchthat's what I call a bugreport04:32
TheMusoOh yeah!04:32
=== ScottK hadn't run into him before. No I know.
Hobbseeajmitch: he's the maintainer of kantonix, so he should know better.04:34
Hobbseeajmitch: then again, i guess he just fixes bugs as he finds them04:34
TheMusoHobbsee: ...and obviously doesn't use any form of bug tracker.04:34
ajmitchyou mean, he has no idea of how team development is done?04:35
=== TheMuso continues to attempt to update packages on the manual universe merge list.
=== ScottK continues to attempt to balance his checkbook.
ajmitchbother, rc bugs list broken again04:37
ajmitchhappens everytime there's a new libapt04:38
TheMusoOh lovely.04:38
TheMusoHeh. Off he goes, without a sign of stating that any bugs will be filed.04:39
TheMusoAnd not likely to file any.04:39
ajmitchdon't expect behaviour to change04:39
TheMusoSeems that way.04:40
LucidFoxWho should I subscribe to a "move to multiverse" bug?04:50
HobbseeLucidFox: ubuntu-archive04:53
ryanakcais it possible to sync from Debian Experimental, more importantly, http://packages.debian.org/experimental/web/egroupware05:05
ScottKYes.  It's possible.  The question is, is it a good idea.05:05
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ryanakcahmm. *tries it in his gutsy schroot*05:06
RAOFStevenK: Actually, eclipse should probably be merged, not syncd, to fix the policy violation (which, in turn, prevents azureus from building right).05:07
TheMusoRAOF: Are you aware that specto is sitting in the manual merge list for universe? http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe-manual.html05:07
ScottKryanakca: Also look at debian/changelog and see WHY it's in experimental.05:07
RAOFTheMuso: I am, I actually want to upload a 0.2.2-1 to Debian and sync that.05:07
TheMusoRAOF: SOunds like a good idea.05:08
RAOFAlthough if that takes too long I could just sync the current package now and sync 0.2.2 later.05:08
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TheMusoRAOF: Yep. Was just checking that you knew it was there.05:09
ScottKOr you could upload 0.2.2-0ubuntu1 and don't sweat it.05:10
RAOFIt's a while until UVF.  Debian->sync seems easier.05:12
ScottKYep.  Save direct upload to Ubuntu until the last moment if you need it.05:13
StevenKRAOF: If you want to merge eclipse, go ahead. I'm happy to upload it for you.05:13
RAOFStevenK: I'll try to get to it tonight.  I'm cut off from any buildboxes for the moment.05:14
StevenKHopefully, it isn't a new upstream release, given the orig tarball is 50Mb05:14
RAOFNah, it's 3.2.2-1 to 3.2.2-205:15
StevenKRAOF: That's irreponsible. :-P05:15
RAOFStevenK: ?05:15
StevenKRAOF: Being cut off from your building machines.05:15
RAOFYes, I should roll back my server to Fiesty (which has a working acx111 driver)05:16
StevenKSurely the math department won't notice if you smuggle an amd64 in and hide it under a rug?05:17
RAOFI've got my laptop, but no network access.  They hate m.05:17
ajmitchsurely the people at work won't notice if I stick a gutsy chroot on a server?05:17
ScottKUnfortunately for me, "the people at work" is me, so I have to be responsible.05:29
Hobbseethen just dont tell yourself that you're doing it then.    simple05:30
RAOFThat's where multiple-personalities come in handy05:31
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ajmitchScottK: sadly that's often the case here as well05:37
=== ScottK understands.
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=== Hobbsee ponders going and voting
ScottKMore fun to play "as long as I don't get caught".05:38
RAOFHobbsee: For what?05:38
=== ScottK wonders what for?
Hobbseemotu uvf team05:38
Hobbseedont you read the motu ML?05:38
=== StevenK voted last night
RAOFThe "going" somewhat confused me.05:39
HobbseeRAOF: well, the webpage wont come to me :P05:40
=== RAOF thought that was the point of the internest
StevenKGreat. Now sear is part of *two* transitions.05:41
StevenKman-di: ^05:41
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StevenKUpstream Version Freeze05:43
RAOFThe 18th(?) of next month.05:45
RAOFNear enough05:47
RAOFStevenK: ?????05:49
RAOFWhat is that crack?05:49
StevenKI have no idea. But it looks like crack05:49
StevenKThank $DEITY the rules file doesn't play around with it.05:52
=== TheMuso decides to vote before going out and doing a few things.
=== ScottK went and got rid of some of the bitterness posting at a site where the CoC doesn't apply ;-)
=== ScottK already voted.
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ScottKAny motu hopeful want practice on a sync bug?06:09
=== RAOF wonders what ajmitch is hopeful for
ScottKpypolicyd-spf is a sync if anyone wants to do it.06:10
=== ScottK will get to it eventually.
ajmitchhopefully finishing work sometime today, so I can go home06:10
ScottKIs "finishing" a function of clock ticks or something actually has to get done?06:10
HobbseeScottK: ajmitch doesnt do work.  you should know this.06:11
=== ScottK just knows about Ubuntu, not "work".
=== StevenK is multi-tasking.
ajmitchHobbsee: thanks06:13
=== StevenK is doing NBS stuff, and backporting asterisk
Toadstooluh, almost forgot to vote06:13
Hobbseeajmitch: no problem06:13
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Toadstoolhi everybody06:13
ajmitchhello Toadstool 06:13
jmgwho can vote?06:14
Toadstoolhi ajmitch 06:14
StevenKajmitch: My condolences.06:14
Toadstooljmg: MOTUs06:14
ajmitchmy vote doesn't count06:14
RAOFI should probably look at packaging the new Gnucash version, since I actually use it.06:14
ScottKHobbsee: I see kdepim is up for a merge.  I "touched it last" but am certainly not the best one to merge it...06:14
HobbseeScottK: right.06:15
HobbseeScottK: i'll have a look.  and shove patches back to debian06:15
=== ScottK will do pinentry though.
HobbseeScottK: oh blergle. that should be merged enough06:16
ScottKHobbsee: It's a new upstream point release.  Since we're going to be using it full time in Gutsy, it's probaby good to get all the bug fixing we can get.06:17
=== ScottK will look at it anyway.
HobbseeScottK: okay, will look later.06:18
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HobbseeScottK: and will shove all our appropriate patches back, like i did for kdenetwork06:18
HobbseeScottK: you could always upgrade knetworkmanager..06:19
StevenKSurely that depends how masochistic ScottK is feeling.06:20
StevenKdepends on, even06:20
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Hobbseeoh, bloody kmos06:21
ScottKWhat, his removal bugs?06:21
Hobbseeoh, he's filed them too has he?06:22
Hobbseeno, he's been closing kopete bugs without checking if they still apply.06:22
Hobbseebecause no one responded in a few weeks06:22
ajmitchas you do...06:23
Toadstoolthat's an easy way to close bugs, I like it06:23
RAOFWhen's that auto-expire LP feature meant to hit, again?L06:23
ajmitchwe should expire all bugs older than 2 hours06:23
Fujitsu1.1.8, AFAIK.06:23
RAOFSo in a month or so.  Cool.06:24
FujitsuAbout then.06:24
ajmitchToadstool: when a bug is incomplete06:24
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Toadstooloh ok, doesn't sound any better to me but whatever06:24
RAOFWhich will pretty much halve the number of bugs on my bugpage :)06:24
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Hobbseekopete has one or 2 developers -a nd not much time06:25
Hobbseegeser: why'd you ack balazar, btw?06:25
ajmitchToadstool: if someone doesn't respond to a bug for 6 months after someone has asked them for further info, auto-expiry can help06:26
Hobbseekmos, if a MOTU or a core dev has filed a sync request bug, then you *probably* dont need to bother touching it.06:26
Hobbseeseeing as they tend to know more than you do, and so have already done all the steps required.06:27
FujitsuHobbsee: What's he done now?06:27
StevenKRAOF: Here's Fujitsu, get him!06:27
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HobbseeFujitsu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/balazar/+bug/124744 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/4665706:27
ubotuLaunchpad bug 46657 in kdenetwork "Kopete gives error when you're on your own contact list" [Medium,Confirmed]  06:27
Toadstoolajmitch: if the expiration delay is this big, yeah, it makes sense06:27
StevenKOh good one, geser. If Hobbsee filed the sync request, you don't need to ack it.06:28
=== RAOF sends the ghosts of azureus and eclipse after the retreating back of Fujitsu.
FujitsuI never even touched eclipse :(06:29
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FujitsuWhat are everyone's thoughts about reasonable timeouts for bugs?06:35
RAOF2 months seems reasonable to me06:36
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ajmitch2 hours06:36
RAOFLP as IRC bugtracker :)06:37
FujitsuI generally use about 3 months, I think.06:37
StevenKBesides, even if the sync doesn't meet Build-Depends, it will DEPWAIT and not fail.06:38
FujitsuI love Kmos' responses to bug #12734806:39
ubotuLaunchpad bug 127348 in launchpad "Bug comment form not expandable in Firefox 1.0.8" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12734806:39
ajmitchoh dear06:40
ajmitchthat's just nuts06:41
TheMusoWHo is Kmos?06:42
FujitsuMarco Rodrigues (gothicx)06:42
ajmitchsomeone being overly helpful on bugs, by the look of things06:43
ScottKAKA the guy that tried to merge the motumedia and ubuntu-motu teams in LP.06:43
TheMusoah. I wish people would use the same nick on LP and IRC>06:43
FujitsuNah, thta'd be too easy.06:44
FujitsuScottK: Was that him? I forget.06:44
TheMusoInteresting comments indeed.06:44
ScottKRAOF: Maybe he'd want to merge azureus.  That would keep him busy for a while.06:46
=== Fujitsu likes bug #126516
ubotuLaunchpad bug 126516 in malone "would like limited access control for status field changes" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12651606:46
StevenKScottK: Argh!06:47
=== Fujitsu wouldn't complain
TheMusoThat is an interesting bug.06:48
TheMusoI'd be enclined to agree myself.06:49
=== ajmitch thinks it is necessary
FujitsuIt does seem really stupid to allow anybody to make a bug completely vanish, but restrict them from just sending it up or down the listings a bit.06:50
ScottKI thought Won't Fix and Invalid were already controlled.06:50
FujitsuWon't Fix and Triaged are.06:50
ScottKThen the bug is at least partially incorrect as written.06:51
ScottKIf more bug statuses get restricted we're going to need a must be confirmed team for motu-hopefuls/helpers that can set the status (and no -qa isn't that team IMO).06:52
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RAOFThat doesn't really sound too bad.06:53
ajmitchof course privileged people could still file bugs directly06:53
ajmitchbut a lot of bugs are just support requests06:53
RAOFAnd apport, presumably06:53
ajmitchI guess ;)06:53
RAOFThe crashlogs certainly :)06:54
RAOFAnd yes, a fair proportion of the non-crashes do seem to be support requests, or user error.06:54
ajmitchmost users can't tell whether it's something they just need help with, or a real problem06:55
Toadstoolwe should get rid of users :)06:55
RAOFCrashes are (almost) always real problems.  But I agree.06:55
ScottKWe can just keep ignoring them.  It amounts to the same thing.06:56
=== ScottK is old enough to have earned bitter.
RAOFMmmm, bitters06:57
ajmitchScottK: of course you are, you're from debian06:57
ScottKNo, actually I'm not.06:57
ScottK(from Debian).06:57
ajmitchwe've picked up enough of that from debian lately :)06:58
ScottKI actually came here from opensuse.06:58
Toadstoolajmitch: the closer to Debian, the bitter? is this what you mean?06:58
ajmitchToadstool: yep06:58
StevenKScottK: Twitch06:58
FujitsuScottK: Even after Mark's ill-fated mailing list post?06:58
ajmitchStevenK: heh06:58
ScottKNo, before.06:59
StevenKHah. I'd forgotten about that.06:59
ajmitchFujitsu: the "novell sucks, time to bail out, guys!" mail?06:59
FujitsuThat's the one.06:59
ScottKI had brief relationship with them in which I got a very shiny and useable opensuse 10.1 KDE desktop.06:59
ScottKOnly one little problem.06:59
ScottKNo way to update it.  07:00
FujitsuIt's OpenSUSE?07:00
TheMusoScottK: Oh lovely.07:00
ScottKIs it?  I thought they changed it to opensuse.07:00
RAOFOoops, I think I know why eclips FTBFS: debian/control wasn't regenerated for Ubuntu.07:00
FujitsuI'm not sure of the capitalisation, but I was pointing out that that was a problem.07:00
ScottKYeah.  They completely switched to a brand new update system that was added (and the old one removed) after the last public test release.07:00
FujitsuRAOF: That's not a valid excuse for not building.07:01
ScottKIt didn't go well.07:01
FujitsuWhy should it need regenerating?07:01
RAOFFujitsu: Why not?  The build-deps are wrong until the control file is regend07:01
FujitsuSounds special.07:01
RAOFFujitsu: Because eclipse is on serious crack07:01
FujitsuAnyway, I have to go now.07:01
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ajmitchRAOF: but eclipse is java & shiny & wonderful07:02
ScottKThen they basically said "What did you expect".  You all are just beta testers for SLES anyway.  You don't expect it to work do you?  (I paraphrase).07:02
TheMusoScottK: eeeeew07:02
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RAOFajmitch: Yes, java is what all the cool kids are doing behind the bikeshed (which should be green, by the way)07:02
ajmitchRAOF: sorry, we prefer brown around here07:03
ScottKYeah.  My list of must haves for a Linux distro is now: 1.  Product I use must be the actual product of the organization making the distro.  2.  Must use Debian package management system.  3.  Must have KDE.  4.  Must have a decent server version.07:03
ScottKThus I'm here.07:03
ajmitchubuntu has a decent server version?07:03
ScottKRecently I've added no patent crack from MS to my list.07:03
RAOFajmitch: I'll fight you to the death about it's green-ness07:03
ScottKajmitch: For my purposes yes.07:04
ajmitchScottK: problem is that different people have different requirements for a server distro, and ubuntu hasn't really fulfilled all that so far07:04
ajmitchit'd be fine for me (except I use debian) :)07:04
ScottKAll the piece parts are there for a great mail server, but you do have to know how to turn the knobs.07:05
TheMusoUbuntu will be fine when I get my server built07:05
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ScottKOh.  That reminds me...  At the time I needed Postfix 2.2 or later.07:07
ScottKThat narrowed the field some more.07:07
ajmitchetch is adequate here07:07
ScottKEtch would meet my server needs, but it wasn't released a year ago.07:08
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ajmitchand also centos, which is gone now, thankfully07:09
ScottKMy first operational mail server was Sarge, but Postfix 2.1 didn't have all the knobs I needed.07:09
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StevenKHeh, my mail server is currently Etch with Exim 4.607:20
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ajmitchwhy do you dislike exim?07:23
StevenKBecause the Debian maintainer is an arrogant asshole07:23
StevenKHe seems to have no qualms about breaking stuff, and I've also come to the conclusion that the way Exim queues mail is sub-optimal07:24
ScottKStevenK: Have you ever considered switching to Postfix.07:26
StevenKScottK: The new mail servers at $WORK are Postfix07:27
ScottKAh.  Excellent.07:29
ScottKI think it's time to go to bed.07:30
ScottKGood night all.07:30
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WorkingGeierI'm trying to use dpatch-edit-patch inside the gcc package07:54
WorkingGeierthe directory being patched is not the toplevel07:54
WorkingGeierdpatch-edit-patch: Error: "src" is not the toplevel directory of a Debian package, aborting.07:54
WorkingGeierhow can I tell dpatch that I'd like to work within that directory07:55
TheMusoWorkingGeier: You have to run dpatch-edit-patch from the top directory of the package.07:57
WorkingGeierI'm doing that, and passing the subdirectory with the sources as -s src07:57
TheMusoWorkingGeier: Have you read the dpatch-edit-patch manpage?07:58
WorkingGeierthere seems to be an additional complication07:58
WorkingGeiergcc-4.2 does not have a 00list file07:58
WorkingGeierinstead, a debian/rules fragment builds the list dynamically07:58
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TheMusoWorkingGeier: Well you would know that when you run dpatch-edit-patch, you will be placed at the shell in a temporary directory. You then edit the files you want patched, and then exit the shell.07:59
WorkingGeierI've already used dpatch-edit-patch in the past, although it has been such a long time that I forgot the name of the tool07:59
WorkingGeierI need to edit an existing patch08:00
TheMusoWell I don't quite understand your problem then.08:00
TheMusoWell you simply run dpatch-edit-patch with the name of the patch as an argument, minus the .dpatch extension.08:00
WorkingGeiertwo problems08:00
WorkingGeierthe source is not in the toplevel08:00
TheMusoThat does not matter.08:00
WorkingGeierbut rather in the src/ subdirectory08:00
TheMusoDoesn't matter where. You still run dpatch-edit-patch from the top level, and pass it the name of a new patch you want to create, or an existing patch you want to edit.08:01
WorkingGeierand applying patch gcc-ssp-default to ./ ... failed.08:02
TheMusoWell you will likely have to edit that patch08:02
WorkingGeierthe patch failed because the source is not where dpatch expected it08:03
TheMusoWell the patch wsan't made properly.08:03
TheMusowasn't even08:03
WorkingGeierthe biggest problem seems to be the absence of 00list08:04
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TheMusoWhat package are you working on?08:05
WorkingGeierand the fact that dpatch calls the clean target, which deletes the src directory08:05
TheMusoUmmmm. Ok. Do you have a particular reason for working on it?08:06
WorkingGeiergcc-ssp-default.dpatch is wrong and breaks the build08:06
WorkingGeierand the workarounds are even worse08:06
TheMusoIf this is for gutsy, you might want to talk to those who maintain GCC in ubuntu.08:07
TheMusoAnd discuss it with them.08:07
StevenKSame person who maintains it in Debian, actually.08:07
WorkingGeieryes, I talked to him yesterday; he didn't seem to understand why it was broken08:07
WorkingGeierit sets -fstack-protector in the compiler stage by default, but the linker does not get -lssp by default08:09
WorkingGeierwhich makes stage 2 of the bootstrap fail with missing symbols08:10
WorkingGeierthe workaround was to pass -fno-stack-protector during bootstrap08:10
WorkingGeierdpatch-edit-patch insists on cleaning out the directory08:11
WorkingGeierdeleting the source08:12
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ToadstoolWorkingGeier: why do you wanna use dpatch-edit-patch with gcc? it doesn't use dpatch but a dpatch-like over-complicated custom patch system afaik08:31
WorkingGeierthe question is how I would edit a patch otherwise08:32
WorkingGeierby hand?08:32
ToadstoolI guess so08:32
Toadstooldid you ask doko already?08:33
WorkingGeierlast time I spoke to him (yesterday) he didn't seem to have time08:33
WorkingGeierand I hadn't dived into the code enough to see where the problem was08:34
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ToadstoolWorkingGeier: well, I ain't no gcc packaging expert but I don't think dpatch-edit-patch is gonna be of any help here, given that there's no 00list or anything similar available or even generated08:36
Toadstooloff to bed, it's getting late over here, good luck08:37
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man-diStevenK: sear is a mess...08:59
WorkingGeierit seems gcc does not want to be built with SSP09:00
StevenKman-di: Heh. Great ...09:00
man-diStevenK: which transitions do you mean by (*two*)09:01
StevenKman-di: libatlas and cal3d09:01
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man-diStevenK: just update them to newest09:02
StevenKman-di: Do a rebuild of it?09:02
man-diStevenK: I hope to get a patch for sear and guichan soon09:02
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man-diStevenK: for sear 0.6.309:02
man-diStevenK: do you mean in debian or ubuntu?09:03
StevenKYou can't just upload it to Debian? :-)09:03
man-diStevenK: no, because it doesnt build09:03
StevenK0.6.3 doesn't? Neat.09:04
man-diStevenK: 0.6.1 (current debian unstable) doesnt build with eris in unstable and 0.6.3 (new upstream) doesnt build with current guichan09:04
man-diI bet 0.6.1 doenst build with current guichan either09:04
man-diit depends on guichan 0.5.009:04
man-diand there were major api changes in guichan 0.5.0 -> 0.6.009:05
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man-dithere is already guichan 0.7.0 coming soon09:05
man-diI sponsor the maintainer and I said to him if you want to get it in, send me patch that makes it work with sear too09:06
man-di(just in case upstream is not faster)09:06
man-diStevenK: I think I have described the mess now a bit09:06
jussi01good morning. how do I check if a package is already in debian?09:07
WorkingGeierjussi01, packages.debian.org09:08
man-dijussi01: packages.debian.org09:08
jussi01ok, thanks WorkingGeier, man-di09:08
man-dijussi01: but beware, packages.debian.org is normally some hours/days behind reality09:12
StevenK... days, weeks ...09:13
jussi01hmmm, this is weird. I am looking at packaging a program. I cant find it on debian, ubuntu or revu. however, the upstream tarball has already got a debian directory...09:13
Hobbseejussi01: some upstreams do their own debian/09:13
man-dijussi01: some upstreams do this09:14
jussi01ok, so what do I do with this? what is the proceedure??09:14
man-dijussi01: but its IMO a bad decision to include debian/ dir upstream09:14
jussi01bug 12806809:14
ubotuLaunchpad bug 128068 in Ubuntu "Xjadeo" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12806809:14
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jussi01btw, has anyone seen persia/know why he hasnt ben around?09:16
WorkingGeierjussi01, stuff like that happens often09:16
Hobbseejussi01: i think he got caught up in $realwork09:16
WorkingGeierjussi01, it makes the .diff.gz hard to read09:16
LucidFoxsomething has happened to packages.ubuntu.com09:16
LucidFoxIt gives an "Unable to connect" error when searching packages09:17
WorkingGeierjussi01, just add $(RM) commands for all the files you don't need out of upstream's debian/ dir, and modify the read09:17
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sorenWow... mailman seems to be in a good mood today.09:30
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ajmitchhello soren 09:32
soren30 seconds from my e-mail to ubuntu-motu hit my mail server, got sent to the Ubuntu mail server, went through mailman, and landed back in my inbox. O.O09:33
sorenajmitch: Good morning, Andrew.09:33
Burgundaviahey soren09:33
\sh30 seconds is too much ,-)09:33
sorenBurgundavia: 'Morning, Corey.09:33
ajmitchBurgundavia: been enjoying your little trip?09:33
Burgundaviaoh indeed09:33
sorenBurgundavia: You don't look too happy on that photo :)09:34
BurgundaviaI am happy09:34
Burgundaviajust "concentrating"09:34
sorenOh. :)09:34
Burgundavialike I said, I was working hard09:35
sorenTrue, true.09:35
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RAOFBuilding Eclipse should not take 2Gb of ram10:14
StevenKThere's one package I tried to build here, and g++ was taking up 1.3Gb of RAM and did nothing for 2.5 hours10:20
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RAOFSo, building eclipse very nearly exhausts 2GB of ram + 1.5Gbb of swap.  Java is sooooo awesome10:27
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guardianhmm hello, what's the command line to apply a patch to an original package ? on packages.ubuntu.com i can download .orig.tar.gz and .diff.gz10:50
guardiani've never done that10:50
guardianshould it uncompress them first ?10:50
guardian /s/it/i10:50
asisakguardian: dpkg-source -x .dsc10:51
asisakguardian: or you simply "dget proto://pa/th/filename_version.dsc" 10:51
guardiancool thx10:51
guardianhmm strange, i can't connect to http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/allpackages10:52
asisakguardian: try to get the package via apt-get source or get it as well as you got .orig.tar.gz and .diff.gz10:54
man-diasisak, guardian: dget -x ....10:54
man-diguardian: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ is down, it seems10:55
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guardianso dget -x http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/section/package.dsc  ?11:00
guardianonce packages.ubuntu.com is up off course11:00
guardianor course11:01
asisakguardian: you can use any of the mirrors inbetween11:02
asisak(any = any that has the necessary file)11:02
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guardianasisak: where could i have the mirror list  of packages.ubuntu.com please ?11:13
asisakI would use a sources.list entry and apt-get source instead11:13
guardianyou mean mirrors like fr.archive.ubuntu.com ?11:13
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asachi! anyone geeky enough to run gutsy + compiz?11:18
geserasac: yes11:18
asacgeser: do you see firefox bug 11:18
\shis it already working with ati cards and xinerama?11:19
asacgeser: aka not-properly repainted during minimize/maximize?11:19
asacgeser: i think during resize of main window it should happen too ... but not sure11:20
guardiando you recommend to make the full package description 80 columns wide ?11:20
geserasac: I see no problem with firefox11:21
asacguardian: wasn't that 70 columns?11:21
asacgeser: wait a second i'll try to find the bug11:21
guardiani don't know, maintainer guide says 60 columns for the short dfescription11:21
guardianbut says nothing for the long description11:21
asacgeser: its bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/11308611:22
ubotuLaunchpad bug 113086 in firefox "Enabling Desktop Effects, some part of firefox and thunderbird windows are black for few seconds when I deminimize them." [Medium,Confirmed]  11:22
asacgeser: can you look if you see that11:22
asacguardian: try to use long lines and run lintian/linda ... iirc it complains if they are too long11:23
asac... and says you what maximum columns it expects11:23
guardianasac: do you use 70 ?11:23
asacyes ... but that might be wrong :)11:24
asacits been a long time when i adapted that habit ... might have changed ... might have never been right ;)11:24
geserasac: I see no such problem11:26
asacgeser: can you try thunderbird? 11:26
asacaccording to summary it should be more visible there11:26
asacgeser: what kind of effects are enabled?11:26
asacdo you have minimize/maximize effects?11:26
geserI haven't thunderbird installed11:28
geserI've animations enabled (and set zoom for minimize)11:29
geserI'll try the minimize effect plugin11:30
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asacgeser: thanks11:31
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asacgeser: should be reproducible ... e.g. makes sense according to compiz devs11:31
geserno difference with the minimize effect plugin11:31
asaci think the bug is for a short period after unminimizing11:32
asacdo you have any animations during unminimizing?11:32
asacor maybe if you minimize a normal sized window ... and then maximize directly (e.g. with right click on the task-bar -> Maximize)?11:33
geserstill nothing11:34
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geserhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31218/ that's the compiz packages I've installed11:37
geserI've a ATI Radeon 9800pro and I'm using the free radeon driver11:38
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LucidFoxhow do I replace the install prefix for CMake?11:39
geserI use also compiz on my notebook with Intel 915 graphics and don't remember seeing problems in firefox11:40
DarkSun88Hi all11:40
asacgeser: hmmm thanks for testing11:40
asacgeser: have you tried thunderbird? can you do so please?11:45
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geserasac: can't reproduce it with thunderbird either11:55
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asacgeser: ok thanks12:11
NeilWMorning all. Anybody available yet to look at a REVU package?12:12
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Hobbseesmc (0.99.6-2ubuntu1) gutsy; urgency=low04:44
Hobbsee  * Rebuild for libcegui-mk2-0c2a -> libcegui-mk2-1 transition.04:44
Hobbsee  * Remove libcegui-mk2-dev from the Depends.04:44
Hobbsee  * Munge Maintainer field as per spec.04:44
Hobbsee -- Steve Kowalik <stevenk@ubuntu.com>  Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:32:38 +100004:44
HobbseeStevenK: why the removal?04:44
StevenKI think the -dev was libcegui-mk2-1-dev04:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 118308 in smc "missing dependency for smc" [Medium,Fix released]  04:46
StevenKI think it was done so I could upload a fixed libcegui-mk2 and everything else at the same time and have everything hit DEPWAIT rather than failing to build.04:46
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StevenKActually, sorry, I misunderstood.04:48
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StevenKIt removed it because I thought I was being clever.04:48
StevenKIt turns out from that bug, smc uses dlopen(). The bastards.04:48
Hobbseeasisak: that openbox change - why not get all the patches accepted in debian?04:49
guardian_geser: because data files are different for en_GB and en_US and i'm about to create data packages for my application04:53
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LucidFoxhow do I "properly" create a transitional package?05:03
LucidFoxif I just add a package with an empty .install file whose sole dependency is some other package, it still contains a usr/share/doc directory05:04
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sorenLucidFox: They always do.05:10
geserguardian_: can't it be detected at runtime?05:14
guardian_no unfortunately not05:21
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geserguardian_: what about multi-user system where one user prefers en_GB and other en_US? does the programm work for both?05:42
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guardian_anyway, i named my package foo-data-en-gb and foo-data-en-us05:43
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geserlooks sane05:44
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LucidFoxWhat is "not-binnmuable-any-depends-all"?05:51
AndyPLucidFox: http://lintian.debian.org/reports/Tnot-binnmuable-any-depends-all.html05:52
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