=== hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-949c1822b2ae4931] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:14] O ok === crevette [n=crevette@man06-2-88-167-44-76.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nightrose [n=lydia@amarok/rokymotion/nightrose] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [i=corey@conference/oscon/x-4bf166577591ac36] has joined #ubuntu-motu === [GruncH] [n=gruncho@190-76-12-110.dyn.movilnet.com.ve] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pricey [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lmveloso [n=lmveloso@200-193-152-9.mganm702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-116-018.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] Hi geser, i saw i've commented on my upload [01:07] TheMuso, could you review it now? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6163 === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jekil [n=alessand@host228-234-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apachelogger_ [n=me@N840P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy_ [n=cassidy@22.173-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:43] Sweet zombie jesus, why does our azureus package use CDBS and Debian's use raw debhelper? === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:46] Heh. Neat. [01:47] No. Not neat. === RAOF grumbles quietly in the background [01:48] because someone though it'd be nice to change [01:48] Blame Fujitsu. === RAOF blames Fujitsu [01:51] Actually, surely the changelog should say who is to blame. [01:53] only if someone was helpful enough to document it === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF suspects jdong, if only because his name is last on our changelog. [01:56] RAOF: yea i looked at the azureus package and ran away from it quick [01:56] RAOF: i was going to merge it a while back but decided to leave it for the experts ;) [01:57] Right. So, I'm going to do my darndest to ensure that we can just sync the darn thing in future. [01:58] probably figure out what is useful difference and then just add that to the debian version === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === BaD_CrC [n=ns@c-71-231-214-232.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:59] Hey RAOF, ajmitch, StevenK. [01:59] Hey TheMuso. [02:00] Why do people suddenly feel that bugs like "please merge foo from bar" will magically attract swarms of merge fairies? === StevenK waves to TheMuso [02:01] hello TheMuso === ajmitch is off for lunch [02:01] how long does it take to get a resolution for a core dev app? [02:02] i applied 11 days ago and only got one response since then, heh [02:02] not even -1 go away messsages [02:11] Man, we patch the living bejeezus out of azureus. [02:12] azureus_2.5.0.0repack1-0ubuntu1.patch 05-Jan-2007 08:10 20M [02:13] ARGH! === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu === leonel [n=leonel@189.155.107.156] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:16] RAOF: kill it! :) [02:16] jwendell: you are one l off of being the super famous fatal1ty :) [02:17] ok, i'm sorry [02:17] calc: how many people have bugged you so far about OOo locking up? [02:17] RAOF: maybe azureus should stay as is for testing new MOTU's skill of fixing stuff ;) [02:17] nixternal: a few apparently its a bug in new gtk [02:17] nixternal: works fine on my box though so its not easily reproducible apparently [02:17] hehe, ya that bug in GTK broke a few things [02:17] calc: Yeah, and how many people would we scare off saying "Fix that hulking piece of crap" ? [02:17] it just started today for me [02:17] StevenK: hehe [02:17] or I noticed it today [02:18] calc: for core-dev you have to wait for a TB meeting [02:18] Amaranth: oh ok, i don't need full +1 vote from motu council though? [02:18] Amaranth: But he hasn't even gotten one vote yet [02:18] StevenK: i got one i think [02:18] yea from stefan === StevenK votes -1. Not anymore. :-P [02:18] StevenK: :P === calc goes to dinner, bbl === micahcowan [n=micah@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:25] Ah, OK. That's why azureus is such a pest. Debian isn't the upstream source, Fedora Core is! [02:26] Argh! [02:27] RAOF: Surely sync'ing the damn thing is in our best interest. [02:29] We'll have a bunch of regessions doing that, particularly the gcj native build. [02:29] Okay, how about a patch smaller than 20Mb? :-) [02:29] But, yes, syncing the damn thing seems like a good idea :) [02:30] I can probably manage that. === RAOF wonders if anyone would miss the gcj build. AFAIK it's never really worked terribly well. [02:32] I thought gcj was quicker [02:32] Yes, but not than running on the actual java VM? [02:32] Also, works less often, at least as far as ubuntuforums seems to think. [02:35] You can file a sync saying "The gcj build is crap and doesn't work so should go" would probably work. === RAOF blinks at the azureus package again. [02:40] You know, the upstream tarball seems to be repacked into a new subdirectory, and have some random plugins added to it. === RAOF starts whistling "sync, sync, sync, sync!" (to the tune of the spam song) [02:42] heh [02:43] Sync and if it doesn't work, file a removal bug. [02:44] ajmitch: That's the bitterness. [02:46] So, I'll sync it, which will drop the gcj build and a bunch of plugins which should be in a separate "azureus-plugins" package *anyway*. Then I'll package those up from the actual tarball. [02:47] RAOF: Does the sid package build in Gutsy? [02:50] Just checking, thanks. [02:51] But I'm pretty sure it has to; it doesn't seem to actually do any building. [02:55] ...or it would, if we called the gtk swt libraries the same thing! [02:55] Heh [02:55] Oh lovely. === RAOF scours changelogs for more accurate blame === mannytu [n=mannylar@cpe-67-9-82-128.hot.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:57] hellow [03:01] ScottK: yay! === radhios [n=radhios@200-122-44-192.dsl.prima.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === micahcowan [n=micah@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul_ [n=chuck@mail.edgewater.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:19] oh lindsay lohan will you ever learn === vbabiy [n=vbabiy@pool-71-164-85-238.albyny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vbabiy [n=vbabiy@pool-71-164-85-238.albyny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:24] Oh do we even care? [03:26] I don't, for one. === vbabiy [n=vbabiy@pool-71-164-85-238.albyny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:29] who's that? [03:30] ajmitch: heh yeah. === mannytu_ [n=mannylar@cpe-24-162-103-125.hot.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:44] Right, so libswt3.2-gtk-java violates policy. Yay. [03:47] RAOF: Well its in universe. Get fixing. :p [03:47] RAOF: Hrm? How? === vbabiy [n=vbabiy@pool-71-164-85-238.albyny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:48] StevenK: It installs it's libs to /usr/lib/java; policy says they go to /usr/share/java [03:49] Hurray! [03:49] Anyone running Gutsy on a desktop? [03:50] StevenK: I plan to in a week or so... [03:50] StevenK: yes [03:50] Furthermore, it's built from eclipse source, the latest upload of which fails to build. [03:50] StevenK: Does a laptop count? :) [03:50] Sure. [03:50] Then "yes". [03:50] Nafallo, RAOF: Do either of you mind seeing if bug 99934 is fixed? [03:50] Launchpad bug 99934 in seahorse "Stalls in infinite loop when creating new ElGamel subkey" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99934 [03:51] It's marked as fixed in Gnome's bug tracker, and Gutsy has 2.19.5, so it should be okay, but I can't check. === ScottK is running Kubuntu, so I guess that's no help. [03:53] StevenK: Nope. Still hangs. [03:53] I'll leave it running though, to see if it's just taking *ages* [03:53] Gasp. persia is to blame for eclipse. [03:53] hehe [03:54] The policy violation is presumably still in Debian, though, that was a sync. [03:54] Yup. [03:55] Looks like missing Build-Depends. [03:55] StevenK: Sorry, that is fixed. It just takes a long time without any feedback. [03:55] [exec] xpcom.h:17:21: error: nsXPCOM.h: No such file or directory [03:55] [exec] xpcom.h:18:27: error: nsEmbedString.h: No such file or directory [03:55] [exec] xpcom.h:19:28: error: nsIInputStream.h: No such file or directory [03:55] RAOF: Great, do you want to comment on the bug and nail it shut? [03:55] It's not being built against xulrunner surely? [03:55] StevenK: Certainly. === Nafallo confirms [03:56] Actually, a little bit further up the build says "*** Mozilla embedding support will not be compiled." [03:57] RAOF: And yes, it is being built against xulrunner. [03:58] RAOF: Should that be fixed? === RAOF had nothing but annoying segfaults trying to build democracy against xulrunner. But that was because the gnome-extras package is built against firefox, I think. === StevenK looks up if those header files exist in libxul-dev [03:59] StevenK: Maybe. I'll try building the newer eclipse against firefox. [04:00] It might just need a give-back. xulrunner was last touched 05/07, and eclipse was synced in the middle of June === dandel_ [n=dandel@pool-71-96-79-252.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:07] RAOF: If you aren't playing with eclipse, I'd suggest it get given back. [04:09] StevenK: I'm not playing with it. Although there's a new debian revision that should be sync'd, too. === tupa [n=tupa@201-167-108-67-cable.cybercable.net.mx] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:12] RAOF: I can file a sync after lunch. [04:13] That'll be preferable to a giveback, right [04:13] ? [04:14] I can do it, if you don't get to it first. === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:24] Afternoon Hobbsee. [04:25] yay for people who refuse to file bugs [04:25] hello Hobbsee [04:26] heya TheMuso! [04:26] haha [04:26] refuse to fix the bug, until they file a good one [04:26] hiya ajmitch [04:26] this person has a history of going on irc, complaining about something, and not wanting to file a bug in launchpad [04:27] ajmitch: -kernel... i.e kano? [04:27] yep [04:27] certainly not the first time this has happened [04:27] Right. [04:28] You'd think he's have learnt by now. === ScottK is enjoying #launchpad tonight and swears he didn't put anyone up to anything. [04:28] TheMuso: some people don't learn [04:28] heh [04:28] Hobbsee can attest to that === nixternal too [04:28] ajmitch: I'm actually starting to find that out through reviewing packages. [04:28] I have found myself thinking that people would learn from what we point out to them. [04:29] ajmitch: oh, kano [04:29] WHich obviously doesn't happen as often as we'd like. [04:29] Hobbsee: another one of your friends [04:29] Maybe we need a rule that no one can add a package until they've had a removal request fulfilled. [04:29] hehe [04:29] ScottK: Whaa? [04:29] ajmitch: no, he's been in -devel repeatedly too [04:30] Just thinking it's cut down on the cruft in the repos and deter people who don't know what they are doing/really want the package from giving us junk to review. [04:30] it's/it'd [04:30] Hobbsee: I know :) [04:30] :) [04:31] ScottK: sure, what should I remove to get some new stuff in? [04:31] ScottK: then htey'd file removal requests on things like debian-installer or something. [04:31] nah, kde* [04:31] lol === ScottK was thinking it didn't count until it was actually removed, so they'd need to find something real. === ScottK is also, of course, kidding. [04:32] mostly. [04:32] ScottK: I get your drift though. [04:32] 19:11 -!- Kano [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:32] 19:12 < Kano> hi, please update mc in feisty. it is broken badly! [04:32] 19:13 -!- Kano [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has quit [Remote closed the connection] [04:32] that's what I call a bugreport [04:32] Oh yeah! === ScottK hadn't run into him before. No I know. [04:33] No/Now [04:34] ajmitch: he's the maintainer of kantonix, so he should know better. [04:34] ajmitch: then again, i guess he just fixes bugs as he finds them [04:34] Hobbsee: ...and obviously doesn't use any form of bug tracker. [04:35] yeah [04:35] you mean, he has no idea of how team development is done? === TheMuso continues to attempt to update packages on the manual universe merge list. === ScottK continues to attempt to balance his checkbook. [04:37] bother, rc bugs list broken again [04:38] happens everytime there's a new libapt [04:38] Oh lovely. [04:39] Heh. Off he goes, without a sign of stating that any bugs will be filed. [04:39] And not likely to file any. [04:39] don't expect behaviour to change [04:40] Seems that way. [04:50] Who should I subscribe to a "move to multiverse" bug? [04:53] LucidFox: ubuntu-archive [05:05] is it possible to sync from Debian Experimental, more importantly, http://packages.debian.org/experimental/web/egroupware [05:05] Yes. It's possible. The question is, is it a good idea. === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:06] hmm. *tries it in his gutsy schroot* [05:07] StevenK: Actually, eclipse should probably be merged, not syncd, to fix the policy violation (which, in turn, prevents azureus from building right). [05:07] RAOF: Are you aware that specto is sitting in the manual merge list for universe? http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe-manual.html [05:07] ryanakca: Also look at debian/changelog and see WHY it's in experimental. [05:07] TheMuso: I am, I actually want to upload a 0.2.2-1 to Debian and sync that. [05:08] RAOF: SOunds like a good idea. [05:08] Although if that takes too long I could just sync the current package now and sync 0.2.2 later. === luis__lopez [n=luis@ip216-239-77-124.vif.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:09] RAOF: Yep. Was just checking that you knew it was there. [05:10] Or you could upload 0.2.2-0ubuntu1 and don't sweat it. [05:12] It's a while until UVF. Debian->sync seems easier. [05:13] Yep. Save direct upload to Ubuntu until the last moment if you need it. [05:13] RAOF: If you want to merge eclipse, go ahead. I'm happy to upload it for you. [05:14] StevenK: I'll try to get to it tonight. I'm cut off from any buildboxes for the moment. [05:14] Hopefully, it isn't a new upstream release, given the orig tarball is 50Mb [05:15] Nah, it's 3.2.2-1 to 3.2.2-2 [05:15] RAOF: That's irreponsible. :-P [05:15] StevenK: ? [05:15] RAOF: Being cut off from your building machines. [05:16] Aaah. [05:16] Yes, I should roll back my server to Fiesty (which has a working acx111 driver) [05:17] Surely the math department won't notice if you smuggle an amd64 in and hide it under a rug? [05:17] I've got my laptop, but no network access. They hate m. [05:17] surely the people at work won't notice if I stick a gutsy chroot on a server? [05:17] Heh [05:25] haha [05:29] Unfortunately for me, "the people at work" is me, so I have to be responsible. [05:30] then just dont tell yourself that you're doing it then. simple [05:31] That's where multiple-personalities come in handy === Jazzva [n=sasa@cable-89-216-184-157.dynamic.sbb.co.yu] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Kopete] === twanj [n=chatzill@c-75-74-146-27.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:37] ScottK: sadly that's often the case here as well === ScottK understands. === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee ponders going and voting [05:38] More fun to play "as long as I don't get caught". [05:38] Hobbsee: For what? === ScottK wonders what for? [05:38] motu uvf team [05:38] dont you read the motu ML? [05:38] Ah. === StevenK voted last night [05:39] The "going" somewhat confused me. [05:40] RAOF: well, the webpage wont come to me :P === RAOF thought that was the point of the internest [05:41] Great. Now sear is part of *two* transitions. [05:41] man-di: ^ === RAOF hands StevenK a "Transition Master" shirt [05:42] Heh [05:43] 'uvf' [05:43] ? [05:43] Upstream Version Freeze [05:45] The 18th(?) of next month. [05:46] 16th [05:47] Near enough [05:48] Ewwwww! [05:48] http://pastebin.ca/632745 [05:49] StevenK: ????? [05:49] What is that crack? [05:49] I have no idea. But it looks like crack [05:52] .... [05:52] Thank $DEITY the rules file doesn't play around with it. === TheMuso decides to vote before going out and doing a few things. === ScottK went and got rid of some of the bitterness posting at a site where the CoC doesn't apply ;-) === ScottK already voted. === Acksys [n=acksys@cpe-071-070-082-024.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Acksys [n=acksys@cpe-071-070-082-024.sc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [06:09] Any motu hopeful want practice on a sync bug? [06:09] sure [06:09] Heh. === RAOF wonders what ajmitch is hopeful for [06:10] pypolicyd-spf is a sync if anyone wants to do it. === ScottK will get to it eventually. [06:10] hopefully finishing work sometime today, so I can go home [06:10] Is "finishing" a function of clock ticks or something actually has to get done? [06:11] ScottK: ajmitch doesnt do work. you should know this. === ScottK just knows about Ubuntu, not "work". === StevenK is multi-tasking. [06:13] Hobbsee: thanks === StevenK is doing NBS stuff, and backporting asterisk [06:13] uh, almost forgot to vote [06:13] ajmitch: no problem === ajmitch is doing php [06:13] hi everybody [06:13] hello Toadstool [06:14] who can vote? [06:14] hi ajmitch [06:14] ajmitch: My condolences. [06:14] jmg: MOTUs [06:14] ah [06:14] my vote doesn't count [06:14] I should probably look at packaging the new Gnucash version, since I actually use it. [06:14] Hobbsee: I see kdepim is up for a merge. I "touched it last" but am certainly not the best one to merge it... [06:15] ScottK: right. [06:15] ScottK: i'll have a look. and shove patches back to debian === ScottK will do pinentry though. [06:16] ScottK: oh blergle. that should be merged enough [06:17] Hobbsee: It's a new upstream point release. Since we're going to be using it full time in Gutsy, it's probaby good to get all the bug fixing we can get. === ScottK will look at it anyway. [06:18] ScottK: okay, will look later. === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:18] ScottK: and will shove all our appropriate patches back, like i did for kdenetwork [06:19] ScottK: you could always upgrade knetworkmanager.. [06:20] Surely that depends how masochistic ScottK is feeling. [06:20] depends on, even === ScottK has working wireless just now in Gutsy and isn't inclined to mess with that. [06:21] oh, bloody kmos [06:21] What, his removal bugs? [06:22] oh, he's filed them too has he? [06:22] no, he's been closing kopete bugs without checking if they still apply. [06:22] because no one responded in a few weeks [06:23] Wah. [06:23] as you do... [06:23] that's an easy way to close bugs, I like it [06:23] When's that auto-expire LP feature meant to hit, again?L [06:23] we should expire all bugs older than 2 hours [06:23] auto-expire?! [06:23] 1.1.8, AFAIK. [06:24] So in a month or so. Cool. [06:24] About then. [06:24] Toadstool: when a bug is incomplete === Acksys [n=acksys@cpe-071-070-084-000.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:24] oh ok, doesn't sound any better to me but whatever [06:24] Which will pretty much halve the number of bugs on my bugpage :) === Acksys [n=acksys@cpe-071-070-084-000.sc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [06:25] kopete has one or 2 developers -a nd not much time [06:25] geser: why'd you ack balazar, btw? [06:26] Toadstool: if someone doesn't respond to a bug for 6 months after someone has asked them for further info, auto-expiry can help [06:26] kmos, if a MOTU or a core dev has filed a sync request bug, then you *probably* dont need to bother touching it. [06:27] seeing as they tend to know more than you do, and so have already done all the steps required. [06:27] grrr. [06:27] Hobbsee: What's he done now? [06:27] RAOF: Here's Fujitsu, get him! [06:27] Arrrgh. === Fujitsu runs. [06:27] Fujitsu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/balazar/+bug/124744 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/46657 [06:27] Launchpad bug 46657 in kdenetwork "Kopete gives error when you're on your own contact list" [Medium,Confirmed] [06:27] ajmitch: if the expiration delay is this big, yeah, it makes sense [06:28] Oh good one, geser. If Hobbsee filed the sync request, you don't need to ack it. === RAOF sends the ghosts of azureus and eclipse after the retreating back of Fujitsu. [06:29] Nooo. [06:29] I never even touched eclipse :( === TheMuso returns [06:35] What are everyone's thoughts about reasonable timeouts for bugs? [06:36] 2 months seems reasonable to me === Hobbsee --> out [06:36] 2 hours [06:37] LP as IRC bugtracker :) [06:37] I generally use about 3 months, I think. [06:38] Besides, even if the sync doesn't meet Build-Depends, it will DEPWAIT and not fail. [06:39] I love Kmos' responses to bug #127348 [06:39] Launchpad bug 127348 in launchpad "Bug comment form not expandable in Firefox 1.0.8" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127348 [06:40] Eeep. [06:40] oh dear [06:41] that's just nuts [06:42] WHo is Kmos? [06:42] Marco Rodrigues (gothicx) [06:43] someone being overly helpful on bugs, by the look of things [06:43] AKA the guy that tried to merge the motumedia and ubuntu-motu teams in LP. [06:43] ah. I wish people would use the same nick on LP and IRC> [06:44] Nah, thta'd be too easy. [06:44] ScottK: Was that him? I forget. [06:44] Yeah. [06:44] Interesting comments indeed. [06:46] RAOF: Maybe he'd want to merge azureus. That would keep him busy for a while. === Fujitsu likes bug #126516 [06:46] Launchpad bug 126516 in malone "would like limited access control for status field changes" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126516 [06:47] ScottK: Argh! === Fujitsu wouldn't complain [06:48] That is an interesting bug. [06:49] I'd be enclined to agree myself. === ajmitch thinks it is necessary [06:50] It does seem really stupid to allow anybody to make a bug completely vanish, but restrict them from just sending it up or down the listings a bit. [06:50] I thought Won't Fix and Invalid were already controlled. [06:50] Won't Fix and Triaged are. [06:51] Then the bug is at least partially incorrect as written. [06:51] Slightly. [06:52] If more bug statuses get restricted we're going to need a must be confirmed team for motu-hopefuls/helpers that can set the status (and no -qa isn't that team IMO). === ajmitch liked the suggestion of every bug starting off as a support request, and being elevated to a bug after someone in -qa looked at it [06:53] That doesn't really sound too bad. [06:53] of course privileged people could still file bugs directly [06:53] but a lot of bugs are just support requests [06:53] And apport, presumably [06:53] sure [06:53] I guess ;) [06:54] The crashlogs certainly :) [06:54] And yes, a fair proportion of the non-crashes do seem to be support requests, or user error. [06:55] most users can't tell whether it's something they just need help with, or a real problem [06:55] we should get rid of users :) [06:55] Crashes are (almost) always real problems. But I agree. [06:56] We can just keep ignoring them. It amounts to the same thing. [06:56] === ScottK is old enough to have earned bitter. [06:57] Mmmm, bitters [06:57] ScottK: of course you are, you're from debian [06:57] well [06:57] No, actually I'm not. [06:57] (from Debian). [06:58] we've picked up enough of that from debian lately :) [06:58] I actually came here from opensuse. [06:58] ajmitch: the closer to Debian, the bitter? is this what you mean? [06:58] Toadstool: yep [06:58] ScottK: Twitch [06:58] ScottK: Even after Mark's ill-fated mailing list post? [06:58] StevenK: heh [06:59] No, before. [06:59] Hah. I'd forgotten about that. [06:59] Fujitsu: the "novell sucks, time to bail out, guys!" mail? [06:59] That's the one. [06:59] I had brief relationship with them in which I got a very shiny and useable opensuse 10.1 KDE desktop. [06:59] Only one little problem. [07:00] No way to update it. [07:00] It's OpenSUSE? [07:00] ScottK: Oh lovely. [07:00] Is it? I thought they changed it to opensuse. [07:00] Ooops, I think I know why eclips FTBFS: debian/control wasn't regenerated for Ubuntu. [07:00] I'm not sure of the capitalisation, but I was pointing out that that was a problem. [07:00] Yeah. They completely switched to a brand new update system that was added (and the old one removed) after the last public test release. [07:01] RAOF: That's not a valid excuse for not building. [07:01] It didn't go well. [07:01] Why should it need regenerating? [07:01] Fujitsu: Why not? The build-deps are wrong until the control file is regend [07:01] Sounds special. [07:01] Fujitsu: Because eclipse is on serious crack [07:01] Anyway, I have to go now. === TheMuso shakes his head. Not another control generation package. [07:02] RAOF: but eclipse is java & shiny & wonderful [07:02] Then they basically said "What did you expect". You all are just beta testers for SLES anyway. You don't expect it to work do you? (I paraphrase). [07:02] Impressive. [07:02] ScottK: eeeeew === Fujitsu -> elsewhere. [07:02] heh [07:02] ajmitch: Yes, java is what all the cool kids are doing behind the bikeshed (which should be green, by the way) [07:03] RAOF: sorry, we prefer brown around here [07:03] Yeah. My list of must haves for a Linux distro is now: 1. Product I use must be the actual product of the organization making the distro. 2. Must use Debian package management system. 3. Must have KDE. 4. Must have a decent server version. [07:03] Thus I'm here. [07:03] ubuntu has a decent server version? [07:03] Recently I've added no patent crack from MS to my list. [07:03] ajmitch: I'll fight you to the death about it's green-ness [07:04] ajmitch: For my purposes yes. [07:04] ScottK: problem is that different people have different requirements for a server distro, and ubuntu hasn't really fulfilled all that so far [07:04] Agreed. [07:04] it'd be fine for me (except I use debian) :) [07:05] All the piece parts are there for a great mail server, but you do have to know how to turn the knobs. [07:05] Ubuntu will be fine when I get my server built === ajmitch is just using a classic LAMP setup at work [07:07] Oh. That reminds me... At the time I needed Postfix 2.2 or later. [07:07] That narrowed the field some more. [07:07] etch is adequate here [07:08] Etch would meet my server needs, but it wasn't released a year ago. === ajmitch was using sarge, with some backports [07:09] and also centos, which is gone now, thankfully [07:09] My first operational mail server was Sarge, but Postfix 2.1 didn't have all the knobs I needed. === sethbc [n=sethbc@cpe-66-108-162-181.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:20] Heh, my mail server is currently Etch with Exim 4.6 === StevenK wants Exim to go away. === Dessan [n=andrew@ip68-105-63-168.pn.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:23] why do you dislike exim? [07:23] Because the Debian maintainer is an arrogant asshole [07:23] ah [07:24] He seems to have no qualms about breaking stuff, and I've also come to the conclusion that the way Exim queues mail is sub-optimal [07:26] StevenK: Have you ever considered switching to Postfix. [07:27] ScottK: The new mail servers at $WORK are Postfix [07:29] Ah. Excellent. [07:30] I think it's time to go to bed. [07:30] Good night all. [07:30] 'Night === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === WorkingGeier [n=richter@mnch-4db006ac.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:53] hi [07:54] I'm trying to use dpatch-edit-patch inside the gcc package [07:54] the directory being patched is not the toplevel [07:54] dpatch-edit-patch: Error: "src" is not the toplevel directory of a Debian package, aborting. [07:55] how can I tell dpatch that I'd like to work within that directory [07:55] ? [07:57] WorkingGeier: You have to run dpatch-edit-patch from the top directory of the package. [07:57] yes [07:57]