=== ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #edubuntu === Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | feisty (7.04) is released, see http://www.edubuntu.org/Download | help testing tribe3 candidates: https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/build/Edubuntu === Topic (#edubuntu): set by ogra at Wed Jul 18 19:30:11 2007 === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #edubuntu === crimsun [n=crimsun@dargo.trilug.org] has joined #edubuntu [06:20] Wow [06:20] What an evening. [06:20] So, LDM2 now: [06:20] handles autologin [06:21] gives error messages for incorrect passwords [06:21] handles password changes [06:21] is sexy. [06:22] Now, some testing/cleanup is needed, and we need to get langs/sessions in there. [06:31] night all === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #edubuntu === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu [10:28] !list [10:28] I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [10:28] oops, wrong channel === migi [i=migi@nat/sun/x-d63212eced672e55] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust150.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ is now known as sc0tt === jinty [n=jinty@145.Red-83-56-156.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === skallen [n=se-karka@gw.roxtec.net] has joined #edubuntu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust150.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ is now known as sc0tt === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #edubuntu === ziroday [n=ziroday@unaffiliated/ziroday] has joined #edubuntu [01:54] what does the server addon cd contain that might help me with LTSP> [01:54] *? [02:11] what does the server addon cd contain that might help me with LTSP? === vistakiller [n=spiros@ppp10-120.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #edubuntu === aze [n=aze@196.52.78.208.dyn-ip.domaccess.com] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === vistakiller [n=spiros@ppp10-120.adsl.forthnet.gr] has left #edubuntu [] === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #edubuntu === Riddell uploads edubuntu-desktop-kde === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu [04:08] Morning all === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === yeipi [n=Juan@119-130-28.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@pot44-1-88-172-65-1.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === azetbo [n=aze@196.52.78.208.dyn-ip.domaccess.com] has joined #edubuntu === azetbo is now known as aze === ananas [n=ananas@xdslda175.osnanet.de] has joined #edubuntu === pauljw [n=paul@pool138.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === john_s [n=john@c-24-17-48-60.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === azetbo [n=aze@196.52.78.208.dyn-ip.domaccess.com] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust150.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ is now known as sc0tt === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === yeipi [n=Juan@119-130-28.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [08:13] have anyone tried Thinstation? [08:16] Some people have. [08:16] They use some of their own bits, and use some ltsp bits too. [08:21] hi sbalneav :) Ok === th1a [n=hoffman@pool-72-87-80-48.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === th1a [n=hoffman@pool-72-87-80-48.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has left #edubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] === azetbo is now known as aze [08:37] sbalneav: I don't understand (my english is not good) but thinstation is a distribution forthin clients? I mean it doesn't use a server? [08:38] Yeah, it needs a server. [08:38] You install it on a server [08:38] but [08:38] hmmm [08:38] does the live cd of thinstation include firefox abd X? [08:39] and X? [08:39] it's just too small, just 11 mb [08:39] :/ that's my doubt [08:40] No, it uses the stuff up on the server. [08:40] I don't know much about it, since I don't use it. [08:42] it's a like a software, so I probable could run it on any distribution... ? [08:42] I guess. [08:42] Try it and see, one supposes [08:42] They have their own irc channel [08:42] ok sbalneav [08:42] probably better to ask there. [08:43] yeah I think that too.:) thanks for the tip. [09:00] sbalneav: will you release the version of ldm you're adding autologin feature? === jinty [n=jinty@145.Red-83-56-156.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:05] I saw a chatlog where you said you were workin on it sbalneav [09:07] Yep I am. [09:07] I'm not planning on releasing it, because I'm selfish. I'm gonna keep it all to myself, and you can't have it. nyanyanya :) [09:08] Yeah, it'll be in the next version of Ubuntu. [09:08] jaja [09:08] ok sbalneav === bdoin [n=coudoin@home.gcompris.net] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #edubuntu [09:50] sbalneav: has this black-screen-if-invalid-password bug been fixed with your latest ldm changes ? === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #edubuntu === yeipi [n=Juan@119-130-28.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [09:56] hi guys. is there a way to get a 16 mb client running with edubuntu?? I mean recompile the kernel, or I don't know... [09:56] we can't get more ram for the clients [09:57] I tried these clients with 32 mb ram and the run flawlessly, but with 16 I get a kernel panic :/ [09:59] stgraber: Yep [09:59] yeipi: 16's a little low. === stgraber hugs sbalneav [10:01] sbalneav: heah dude [10:04] sbalneav: I know but, what do you recommend to me (apart from the memory upgrade)? === yeipi_ [n=Juan@119-130-28.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [10:08] sbalneav: I know but, what do you recommend to me (apart from the memory upgrade)? === sadm [n=bluefrog@dyn-83-153-163-134.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #edubuntu [10:08] Hmmm, tough === sadm [n=bluefrog@dyn-83-153-163-134.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #edubuntu [10:09] hmm Ok sbalneav. === blue-frog [n=bluefrog@dyn-83-153-163-134.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #edubuntu [10:10] About the only thing we may be able to do is move the nbd swap earlier [10:10] How far along does it get before it dies? [10:11] Does it die right after loading the kernel? [10:11] LaserJock: heyo! [10:11] with 16 megs of ram, though performance is gonna be aweful. [10:11] Even on the old ltsp 4.2, 16 megs was too small. [10:17] noo [10:18] I tried k12ltsp with 16 mb ram (ltsp 4.2) and the performance is pretty acceptable [10:30] Which version? An old one? [10:30] I think the last version of LTSP we had that ran ok in 16 megs was, like, 4.1 === Burgundavia [i=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [10:42] yeipi_: You haven't told me where it dies yet? [10:43] Have you tried gutsy at all? We've re-written some parts that used to be in Python, and they're now written in C. [10:43] That may help some. [10:43] hm!! [10:43] ok! dude thank you! [10:44] I'm gonna try gutsy [10:44] I guess the question is: is it dying in the initramfs, or later in the boot? [10:44] If it's dying in the initramfs, then that's gonna be tough to solve. [10:44] and I can't say you where it hangs up 'cause I erased the partition where I had edubuntu [10:45] If it's dying LATER, then we may be able to solve that by either moving the nbd swap earlier in the boot process, or right into the initramfs. [10:45] Gonna be kinda hard for me to help you when you don't have a running edubuntu :) [10:46] ok sbalneav I'm going to start using edubuntu right now dude! [10:46] wait a moment please! [10:47] I'm using other edubuntu server we ha [10:47] I forgot we had :P === yeipi_ is at school right now :) [10:48] Hmmm. [10:48] So, here's an interesting one. [10:48] sbalneav: I tried it! [10:48] and it hangs up after intramfs [10:48] ok [10:49] so lets do this. [10:49] sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 [10:49] you should then be in the choot [10:49] lets cd /etc/rc2.d [10:50] can you do an ls, and paste that to the pastebin? [10:50] ok, I'm going to to it right now [10:50] !pastebin [10:50] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [10:50] ok dude [10:53] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31455 [10:53] I already did it dude [10:57] k [10:57] ok [10:58] lets see what we can do here.... [10:59] ok sbalneav :) [11:00] alright, not sure if this will work, but... [11:00] you're in the chroot, so... [11:00] rm S20nbd-client [11:00] ln -s S19nbd-client ../init.d/nbd-client [11:00] That will put the nbd-client BEFORE the ltsp startup [11:01] ok dude lemme do it [11:02] so now, when you so an ls, S19nbd-client should execute before S20ltsp [11:03] I got an error: '../nit.d/bnd-client' to 'S19nbd-client' : file exits [11:03] exists [11:03] is the ln -s well done? [11:03] ln -s origin destiny === Burgundavia_ [i=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [11:04] ln -s ../init.d/nbd-client S19nbd-client ? [11:04] oh, yeah [11:04] sorry [11:04] bass ackwards === Burgundavia_ is now known as Burgundavia [11:04] jejeje ok [11:04] :P [11:04] lemme do it [11:05] ok, so once you've got that done, try a reboot, and see if you get any farther, [11:05] ok dude, I did that ln [11:05] and now Im gonna reboot [11:06] im gonna disconnect [11:06] brb [11:06] k [11:10] it says: unpacking intramfs [11:10] and then appeared the kernel panic [11:10] :( [11:12] ok, so it's dying right in the unpack of the initramfs [11:12] yep! [11:12] so, basically, the initramfs needs to get smaller. [11:14] how could I do it? [11:15] hm [11:15] lemme see [11:15] ok :) [11:25] Hmm [11:25] There's not a lot of spare room to delete out of there. [11:26] sbalneav: do you think if I increase the swap memory? [11:26] :/ [11:27] No, because it's dying while uncompressing the initramfs [11:27] ok [11:27] so it's never even gotten to swap. [11:28] About the only thing you MAY be able to do is try come up with a smaller kernel, but that's going to be hard given a 2.6 kernel series. [11:28] hmm Ok dude [11:28] The k12ltsp was using a 2.4 kernel for the client? [11:28] yep 2.4 [11:28] yeah [11:28] you think I have to recompile the kernel? [11:28] How many of these 16 meg machines you got? [11:29] ufff [11:29] so many dude [11:29] cents! [11:29] a lot of schools here got these machines (with 16mb ram) [11:29] do you NEED them all? Any chance you could do with 1/2 the number of machines, take the ram out of one set to make one with 32 megs of ram? [11:30] i.e. You got a 100 16 megs, so make 50 32 megs? [11:30] hmm [11:30] those computers are on rural schools [11:30] poor schools that got 2 o 3 of those computers [11:31] hm [11:31] so it'll just one computer working [11:31] we gave those schools the server and newer networks card and that's all we can give them :/ [11:32] (sorry my enligsh dude) [11:32] Well, about the only thing that could be done is to come up with a custom kernel that strips out EVERYTHING that isn't needed. [11:32] Are all these machines "the same"? I.e. same motherboard, video card and network card? [11:32] yep [11:32] i.e. [11:32] olivetti m24 [11:32] ibm pc100 [11:33] cents of those computers [11:33] all of 'em with 16 mb ram [11:33] ok, you're going to have to find out EXACTLY what's in those computers. [11:33] EXACTLY what video chipset, EXACTLY what mobo chipset, etc. [11:33] I know exactily [11:33] yep we know [11:33] ok [11:34] sound video modules, etc... [11:34] Well, best I can offer is, send me the specs to sbalneav@ltsp.org [11:34] I'll try and come up with a step by step guide to what you need to do to build a more scaled down kernel. [11:35] but there's not a lot of spare room in there to fidlle with, but maybe we can shave a meg off or so. [11:35] wow dude? I really thank you that! [11:35] I'm not going to garantee anything. [11:35] ok lemme recollect those specs [11:36] You could, as a stopgap measure, install an OLD version of ltsp manually under Edubuntu [11:36] ok dude, I understand, but I don't lose anything trying it out [11:36] You won't get local devices or sound, but if that's ok, you could make that work too. [11:37] You can mix and match ltsp chroots, so you could have an ltsp5 chroot for "newer, better" machines, and for the old ones, use a really old ltsp4.1 chroot. [11:37] but maybe if we shrink the kernel down enough, we can get it to the point where we can turn on nbd swap. [11:38] Anyway, I gotta head home for the day. [11:38] mail me at sbalneav@ltsp.org, and I'll see what I can do. [11:38] cheers. [11:50] sorry to ask the question here but cannot get an answer elsewhere and I am pretty sure the answer must be "simple" [11:51] when my usb HDD is automounted, it gets the following in mtab ext3 rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev, where can I change this, please? [11:51] cause right now my user (install created user) cannot write to the HDD [12:16] bye guys