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| === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! http://merges.ubuntu.com | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | ||
| === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Wed Jul 25 16:02:30 2007 | ||
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| ryanakca | Riddell: bug 128443 | 05:46 |
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| ubotu | Launchpad bug 128443 in ksniffer "Please update ksniffer to 0.3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128443 | 05:46 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: umm. nevermind. | 05:49 |
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| raphink | !seen marseillai | 09:33 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about seen marseillai - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 09:33 |
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| Hobbsee | raphink: /msg seenserv seen marseillai | 09:38 |
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| raphink | /msg seenserv seen marseillai | 09:38 |
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| raphink | oops ;) | 09:38 |
| raphink | hi Hobbsee | 09:38 |
| _StefanS_ | morning | 09:38 |
| _StefanS_ | hmm is there a way to control the number of steps the new volume up/down uses? | 09:39 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: doing knetworkmanager now | 10:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? | 10:35 |
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| Tonio_ | allee: ping ? | 10:49 |
| allee | Tonio_: hi!!! | 10:55 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: hey | 10:59 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: didn't see you last night.. | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: yeah I had a car issue, so couldn't connect | 11:01 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I'll be there tomorrow all the day.... | 11:01 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: lots of problems nowadays | 11:02 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: ah good, cause I decided to watch a movie.. | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | allee: got my response btw :) | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | allee: any news concerning kdebluetooth ? | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: hehe :) | 11:02 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: number 23.. nice one. | 11:03 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: got a fullscreen fade almost done btw.. | 11:04 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: super :) | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: we'll test everything next week probably | 11:08 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yea, good idea | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I'll have a bunch of 2 weeks full time available for kubuntu | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I'll just remove your patch tomorrow morning from kdelibs | 11:09 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: sweet, lets hope my wife doesn't give birth the next two weeks :D | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: and w<ill give you access to my repo | 11:09 |
| _StefanS_ | goody | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: woohoo | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: didn't knew about that, super ! | 11:09 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yep, its number two .. we've got one 11 months old already :) | 11:09 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: have a girl, now getting a boy. | 11:10 |
| Tonio_ | hehe, great :) | 11:10 |
| _StefanS_ | yes, alot of work, but I love kids :) | 11:10 |
| allee | _StefanS_: congrats. | 11:10 |
| _StefanS_ | allee: thanks :) | 11:10 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: well we have time to get the effect to work | 11:11 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: the important thing is that we'll have kdesudo soon by default :) | 11:11 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: but I'm sure we can fit it all in anyways.. I can always sleep when I get old :) | 11:11 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: indeed. Kdesudo is much better than kdesu.. | 11:11 |
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| allee | Tonio_: No, nothing new about kbluetooth. Last time I checked (~ 3 weeks ago) commit msgs indicate that quite some bugs got fixed. I've pinged upstream now if there are plans for a beta4 | 11:12 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: don't mind we'll do it, it's jsut a matter of time :) | 11:12 |
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| Tonio_ | allee: oki :) | 11:12 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: when it that new feature deadline for gutsy? (cant remember) | 11:12 |
| Tonio_ | allee: current state is to me too buggy for default inclusion, but really promissing | 11:12 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: lemme check | 11:13 |
| allee | Tonio_: agreed. | 11:13 |
| _StefanS_ | does anyone know if kbiff or similar is making it into kde4? | 11:13 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: August 16th | 11:13 |
| _StefanS_ | alright, still some time then. | 11:13 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: as this is eye candy, I suspect there is no way to get an exception for this :) | 11:14 |
| allee | Tonio_: I'm 'renovating' my flat currently. So in the last weeks I had 0 free time to follow any of my open source interests | 11:14 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: right... hardly a must have feature :) | 11:14 |
| allee | still some weeks of work | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | allee: same for me due to crazy schedule at work | 11:14 |
| allee | Tonio_: heh, I didn't even notice that :) | 11:14 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I'm just mimic'ing the gnome fade for gtksu btw. | 11:14 |
| allee | Tonio_: approaching a deadline at work? | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | allee: that seems to be the common state in fact | 11:16 |
| Tonio_ | perpetual deadline :) | 11:16 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: yeah the gnome effect would be nice I agree | 11:16 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: more like... "we're not shutting down" .. the curtain effect doesn't really suit a password dialog :) | 11:17 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: hehe | 11:18 |
| allee | :) | 11:27 |
| allee | Tonio_: [11:35] <dgollub> allee: we already tagged beta4 ... but we have to contact RockMan to post the annoucnment | 11:37 |
| allee | Tonio_: [11:36] <dgollub> http://cryptomilch.de/~dgollub/kdebluetooth/ | 11:37 |
| Tonio_ | allee: super | 11:40 |
| allee | Tonio_: it's not annouced so maaaaaybe be a last minute change to the tarball, so better no official upload before it's announced | 11:41 |
| Tonio_ | sure | 11:42 |
| allee | Tonio_: I can give it a try this weekend, if you have no time befire | 11:42 |
| allee | before that is | 11:42 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I may have some time | 11:42 |
| allee | Tonio_: you make my family happy :) | 11:42 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: doing what to knetworkmanager? | 12:08 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: merging with debian | 12:32 |
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| manchicken | w00t! I complained to Dell about the long wait time for my new Ubuntu Dell, and they gave me free next-day shipping :) | 01:27 |
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| Riddell | yay | 01:31 |
| manchicken | Riddell: Do you know what's going on with the OpenOffice issue in Gutsy? | 01:33 |
| manchicken | Riddell: Although it is getting me to use koffice more than I had been :) | 01:35 |
| manchicken | Finding some very strange issues in kspread. | 01:35 |
| Riddell | no idea | 01:35 |
| Riddell | kspread forgets to update cells quite a lot | 01:35 |
| manchicken | Riddell: Do you have any idea what issue I'm talking about? | 01:35 |
| Riddell | nope | 01:35 |
| manchicken | kspread also has serious display issues when you switch pages and delete and insert rows alot. | 01:36 |
| manchicken | Riddell: With OOo right now, if I start one of the programs, say oocalc, I get a splash screen and then soffice.bin maxes CPU. | 01:36 |
| Riddell | so people are saying | 01:37 |
| Riddell | it's not making me want to do a dist upgrade for sure :) | 01:37 |
| manchicken | Well, for my needs, koffice is working fine. | 01:37 |
| manchicken | And it's actually magnitudes faster than OOo. | 01:37 |
| manchicken | It's got me reconsidering my own usage patterns :) | 01:37 |
| manchicken | koffice is lightning fast, and it only has odd issues, no major data loss or crashing. | 01:38 |
| manchicken | Whereas OOo has no weird issues, but is slow as can be. | 01:38 |
| manchicken | Riddell: So are you from a rather small town in Scottland? | 01:39 |
| manchicken | I have no idea the geography of Scottland, and the not-so-distant move has me curious about other areas of the world once again :) | 01:40 |
| Riddell | I'm from the capital | 01:40 |
| Riddell | which is the second largest city (and obviously the most classy) | 01:40 |
| Riddell | it's spelt Scotland | 01:41 |
| manchicken | Ah. You're right. Sorry | 01:41 |
| manchicken | :) | 01:41 |
| manchicken | What's the population? | 01:41 |
| manchicken | Urban? Rural? | 01:42 |
| Riddell | 448,624 | 01:42 |
| manchicken | Ah. | 01:42 |
| Riddell | of Edinburgh, being a city it's urban | 01:42 |
| manchicken | The place I'm moving to has about 6,000 folks living there. | 01:43 |
| manchicken | although I'm having a very difficult time finding actual estimates. | 01:43 |
| Riddell | just so long as the internet connection is fast.. | 01:43 |
| manchicken | 15mbps :) | 01:43 |
| Riddell | don't US towns have their population on the sign as you enter them? | 01:43 |
| manchicken | 5mbps faster than it currently is. | 01:43 |
| manchicken | Some of them do. | 01:43 |
| manchicken | And those signs tend to be dated quickly for smaller populations. | 01:43 |
| Riddell | there was me thinking someone made a new sign each time a baby was born :) | 01:44 |
| manchicken | When you enter Chicago, the 8 million people sign is a close enough approximation for their size, but when your population is only a 4-digit number, it can vary considerably from year to year. | 01:44 |
| manchicken | heh | 01:44 |
| apachelogger | ~1600 inhabitants :D | 01:44 |
| manchicken | I've been to a town that had a sign with pegs on it, and someone just changed the numbers. | 01:44 |
| manchicken | But it was only a 2-digit population. | 01:45 |
| manchicken | The 2000 census (which is ancient by now) says Mahomet has 4,877 folks. | 01:45 |
| === apachelogger notes that there are far too many imortant packages waiting for revu :| | ||
| Riddell | apachelogger: have you been poking people? | 01:47 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: and have you been tending to packages that have been revu'ed by someone? | 01:47 |
| apachelogger | I was quite busy lately | 01:48 |
| apachelogger | maybe I should do a packaging afternoon | 01:48 |
| apachelogger | I'm not very productive today anyway ;-) | 01:48 |
| manchicken | Riddell: I'm thinking of adding some warnings to Adept. | 01:49 |
| Riddell | manchicken: about what? | 01:49 |
| manchicken | Riddell: When any of your changes results in the removal of an important or essential package. | 01:49 |
| manchicken | I've been toying with where to put it, and I think the only appropriate place to put this is when you hit the "Apply Changes" button. | 01:50 |
| Riddell | why not when you click to make the change? | 01:51 |
| manchicken | Primarily because not all side-effects of a single click are visible during that one click. | 01:52 |
| manchicken | From the code point of view. | 01:52 |
| Riddell | right | 01:52 |
| manchicken | That information is much more accessible when you're getting ready to commit. | 01:52 |
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| manchicken | The only apprehension I have for this warning is the situation where one essential package obsoletes another, and adept is correctly removing it. | 01:53 |
| manchicken | But that's why I'm thinking I'll put this on adept_manager only. | 01:53 |
| Riddell | yes | 01:53 |
| manchicken | Or do what I can to only put it there. | 01:53 |
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| manchicken | updater and installer don't really have common use-cases where this situation would happen I don't think. | 01:54 |
| manchicken | Do you have an up-to-date bzr branch of adept? | 01:55 |
| Riddell | I think my one on launchpad.net/adept is | 01:56 |
| === apachelogger is cleaning up his package trunk | ||
| Riddell | if it's not (compared to what's in the archives) let me know | 01:56 |
| manchicken | Righto. | 01:57 |
| manchicken | Have you applied all of my recent fixes to that branch, too? | 01:57 |
| manchicken | The fix for the useless details button bug and the bug where changelogs weren't respecting proxy settings? | 01:58 |
| manchicken | Oh, yeah, the locked dpkg database fix. | 01:58 |
| Riddell | manchicken: do I know about these fixes? | 02:00 |
| manchicken | I thought you would since I put them on the bugs directly. | 02:01 |
| manchicken | I haven't been doing a very good job of communicating fixes lately it seems... | 02:01 |
| Riddell | I have every bug come into my inbox, I therefor miss quite a few of them | 02:04 |
| manchicken | Nice. | 02:04 |
| manchicken | I'll see if I can get bug numbers for you | 02:04 |
| Riddell | if there's a patch for something IRC is probably best | 02:04 |
| manchicken | There's the proxy fix patch posted on bug #119089 which also seems to fix bug #85056. | 02:06 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 119089 in adept "Unable to fetch the Developer Changelog" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119089 | 02:06 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 85056 in adept "adept_updater try's to fetch changelog from other package" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85056 | 02:07 |
| manchicken | The database locked patch is posted on bug #48627. | 02:07 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 48627 in adept "Poor resolution of "database locked" problem" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48627 | 02:07 |
| manchicken | And then there's the useless details button bug fix patch on bug #119969. | 02:08 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 119969 in adept "Adept Installer review changes screen has a useless Details button." [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119969 | 02:08 |
| manchicken | Sorry about all of the confusion :) | 02:08 |
| manchicken | Life's been so crazy lately it's hard to communicate all of this stuff effectively. | 02:08 |
| Riddell | groovy stuff, I'll try and take a look at them today | 02:09 |
| manchicken | Especially since we're buying the house and we're going to be moving at the end of August. | 02:09 |
| manchicken | Sweet. Thanks :) | 02:09 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: ping | 02:10 |
| ScottK | pong | 02:10 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6104 is it ok to just write "various files in the admin directory are covered by the LGPL"? | 02:11 |
| apachelogger | instead of listing all the files | 02:11 |
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| Riddell | apachelogger: yes | 02:12 |
| apachelogger | thanks | 02:12 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: btw, if you're in revu mood, I got quite some work to do ^_^ | 02:12 |
| ScottK | The comment on your previous upload still stands. | 02:13 |
| ScottK | The latest rev of that package appears to have been loaded without the new tarball. | 02:13 |
| === apachelogger is going to dput with -f | ||
| ScottK | How did you build your source package? | 02:15 |
| apachelogger | debuild -S -sa | 02:18 |
| ScottK | OK. That should be fine then. | 02:20 |
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| ScottK | Just make sure you -S -sa with the right source... | 02:20 |
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| apachelogger | ScottK: I have a very precise folder structure, so I'd probably have to drink a lot of coffee to do the debuild with the wrong source :) | 02:22 |
| ScottK | OK. Just trying to consider all the possible error sources. | 02:23 |
| apachelogger | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6188 | 02:25 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 02:25 |
| apachelogger | doesn't show up in this diff either | 02:25 |
| ScottK | OK then. How come I don't see COPYING.LIB in the debdiff then. http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=5365&upid2=618 | 02:25 |
| === apachelogger checks the tarball | ||
| ScottK | Right. Or rather http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=5365&upid2=6188 | 02:25 |
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| apachelogger | ScottK: has to be a bug in revu | 02:25 |
| === ScottK will download and look. | ||
| apachelogger | cause the tarball is the right one | 02:26 |
| Riddell | is there anything in kubuntu-desktop we wouldn't want in an edubuntu-kde? | 02:26 |
| ScottK | Riddell: You might want to consider a lighter weight mail client. Is Kontact the right approach for their target market (I don't know)? | 02:27 |
| Riddell | edubuntu seem to have evolution | 02:28 |
| kwwii | I guess kexi would not be needed | 02:28 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: now actually there is no light weight mail client | 02:29 |
| apachelogger | or actually no proper usable one | 02:29 |
| ScottK | Well then nevermind about that. | 02:29 |
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| apachelogger | only mailody | 02:29 |
| apachelogger | and that only supports imap | 02:29 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I agree, it's there. | 02:30 |
| === ScottK is reviewing now. | ||
| apachelogger | hooray ^_^ | 02:30 |
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| apachelogger | Riddell: kcron isn't needed | 02:31 |
| === apachelogger thinks it shouldn't be in kubuntu-desktop either | ||
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| mhb | apachelogger: there's more mini apps like this that could go into universe instead | 02:32 |
| mhb | (IMHO) | 02:32 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 02:32 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: ksystemlog is also nt really needed in the target market I think :) | 02:32 |
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| Hobbsee | boo | 02:33 |
| jjesse | don't cry | 02:34 |
| mhb | apachelogger: you read my mind ... not sure if we should change it for Gutsy, but a more complex review of apps like those could happen for gutsy+1 | 02:34 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: ktorrent | 02:34 |
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| === Hobbsee pokes people about the existance of a meeting | ||
| === apachelogger asumes mhb will place this on his todo ^_^ | ||
| jjesse | we having another meeting? | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: yes, next wednesday | 02:35 |
| === jjesse adds to schedule | ||
| mhb | Hobbsee: we do? great | 02:35 |
| apachelogger | Hobbsee: finally a meeting when I can attend and become mighty member? | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | as per the KubuntuCouncil spec, which was discussed, but the contents of which are still sitting on my hard drive | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | apachelogger: indeed. | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: yep | 02:35 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: actually kontact should be dropped -> only kmail | 02:36 |
| apachelogger | can't think of anything else right now ;) | 02:36 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: back to work... | 02:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: so I was merging knm with debian, but I had problems to apply the kdepot patch since there is no admin/ folder in it | 02:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: btw kapptemplate admin/ folder seems to be ready for rosetta so I can drop the patch | 02:39 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: What's the license of admin/am_edit? | 02:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm just testing the build on a amd64 machine cause we had the isse till now, and I upload | 02:39 |
| Riddell | there's no admin/ directory? | 02:40 |
| Riddell | this is still KDE 3? | 02:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: true | 02:40 |
| Riddell | but but.. how? | 02:40 |
| Tonio_ | ask upstream :) | 02:40 |
| Tonio_ | and this is still kde3 of course | 02:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: they have been prompted that's an issue, so let'ts wait for the next tarball | 02:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: so mbiebl added a builddep on kapptemplate to copy the admin content, but I had problem to get that copied before the patches are applied in fact | 02:41 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: there's no | 02:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I know releasing a tarball without admin/ is a pure stipidity..... but that's it | 02:41 |
| Tonio_ | s/sti/Stu | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I notices debian packages as network-manager-kde and provides knetworkmanager | 02:42 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: There is. | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is there any reason we do the opposite way ? | 02:43 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: because you made it that way? | 02:43 |
| Riddell | wasnae me whoever did it | 02:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I probably did as we packaged it before debian.... | 02:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I don't see any consequence in changing this right now, should I change this ? | 02:44 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: Oo where? | 02:44 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: ok with me | 02:44 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31388 | 02:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: oki :) | 02:44 |
| apachelogger | kde-common admin headache(tm) | 02:46 |
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| ScottK | Yeah. Also I only see a couple of files the mention LGPL. Since it's a small number, I think it'd be clearer to list them. | 02:46 |
| apachelogger | so | 02:47 |
| apachelogger | guys | 02:47 |
| apachelogger | do we have an example list | 02:47 |
| Riddell | the archive admins discussed this yesterday, you don't need to list every small copyright holder | 02:47 |
| Riddell | it has a different licence so its worth noting that but its ok to just say "file in admin/ are LGPL see common-licence.." | 02:48 |
| ScottK | Agreed. | 02:48 |
| apachelogger | hooray | 02:48 |
| ScottK | The only thing I would say is that I see LGPL in only two files out of about 20, so I think it should be listed which. | 02:49 |
| ScottK | If it were more than that, I'd say various, but since it's only one or two. | 02:50 |
| apachelogger | 2 files in the admin directory are covered by the GNU LGPL | 02:50 |
| Riddell | "some files" | 02:50 |
| apachelogger | I insist on not listing them :P | 02:50 |
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| ScottK | I think it's be better to list them since it's only two, but I won't not upload it over that. | 02:52 |
| apachelogger | I'm actually counting 5 | 02:54 |
| apachelogger | +1 which partly includes LGPL code | 02:54 |
| ScottK | OK. | 02:54 |
| ScottK | My greppage must have been inferior then. | 02:54 |
| apachelogger | acinclude.m4.in conf.change.pl doxygen.sh config.pl configure.in.min oldinclude.m4.in | 02:54 |
| ScottK | I found the partly one. That was interesting. | 02:55 |
| manchicken | this is strange. I can build adept from the src-deb in the repos just fine... but the one in lp/~jr won't build. | 02:55 |
| apachelogger | so we can stick with the "various files"? | 02:55 |
| ScottK | As I said, I won't not upload over it. | 02:55 |
| ScottK | You do need to mention the other license though. | 02:55 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: other license? | 02:55 |
| Riddell | manchicken: what won't build about it? | 02:56 |
| manchicken | /usr/include/ept/debtags/vocabulary.h:28:36: error: tagcoll/diskindex/mmap.h: No such file or directory | 02:56 |
| ScottK | The one I pastebinned you. | 02:56 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: wasn't that GPL? | 02:56 |
| manchicken | Then several other missing headers with tagcoll in the directory nm. | 02:56 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31388 - Explicitly NOT GPL. | 02:56 |
| apachelogger | ok | 02:57 |
| Riddell | manchicken: make sure you have all the build-deps installed and run make -f debian/rules buildprep | 02:57 |
| apachelogger | now I need painkillers | 02:57 |
| ScottK | All the easy stuff was already packaged. | 02:57 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: Pinentry got cleared up in the mass giveback and built, so that's one thing off my list. | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: great :) | 02:59 |
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| mhb | manchicken: can't that be related to the fact that there are two tagcolls? | 03:00 |
| manchicken | mhb: Not if I can build the deb-src in the repos, but not the bzr branch. | 03:00 |
| manchicken | Riddell: Yeah, I'm still getting these errors even after all of that. | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: done | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: fyo I'll probably do ktorrent tomorrow, as well as kdelibs, I'll be at home for my contrib day | 03:01 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/2044 sounds properly? | 03:01 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I'll look. What I came up with was http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31392/ | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hard to do the promissed work yesterday as I had a problem with my car | 03:02 |
| Riddell | manchicken: make sure you have the right tagcoll{,2}-dev installed and make sure the wrong one is not installed | 03:02 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: No, that is a license, just an odd one. | 03:02 |
| Riddell | before running buildprep | 03:02 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: ok ^_^ | 03:02 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/2045 | 03:03 |
| manchicken | Riddell: I've got both. | 03:03 |
| apachelogger | oh! | 03:03 |
| manchicken | Which is the wrong one? | 03:03 |
| apachelogger | missing white space :D | 03:03 |
| Riddell | manchicken: whichever one isn't in the build-depends | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: testing and uploading your ktorrent | 03:04 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: and please, insult those guys requesting for package update on launchpad next time :) | 03:04 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Except for islicensed -> is licensed, yes. | 03:04 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: if they want it they can do it, and closing those stupid bugs makes packaging longuer....... drives me nuts | 03:04 |
| manchicken | Riddell: There is no mention of "tagcoll" anywhere in the debian directory | 03:05 |
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| manchicken | Riddell: It's all a dependency from libept it seems. | 03:05 |
| Riddell | manchicken: whichever one that needs then | 03:06 |
| manchicken | Looks like that one needs libtagcoll2-dev | 03:07 |
| manchicken | Removing libtagcoll-dev... | 03:07 |
| manchicken | I just don't get why the deb-src builds without any issues, and the branch has the problem... | 03:07 |
| Riddell | manchicken: probably it didn't do buildprep with the wrong ones installed | 03:08 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6191 | 03:09 |
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| ScottK | apachelogger: Lets go for that. If it builds, I'll upload it. | 03:10 |
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| apachelogger | arrr :) | 03:13 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: This is the first thing I've built today, so I'm updating my pbuilder first. It'll likely be a little while. | 03:15 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: yeah, you can get some other packages to revu, if you want to ;-) | 03:16 |
| apachelogger | <-- packaging monster | 03:16 |
| apachelogger | actually I have about 20 packages scheduled for gutsy+1 | 03:17 |
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| apachelogger | ^_^ | 03:17 |
| apachelogger | kwwii: will I get artwork for kio-sysinfo for gutsy, or do I have to use the suse one? ... well, unsusefied suse artwork that would be :P | 03:19 |
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| apachelogger | hm | 03:21 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: just like you :P | 03:21 |
| === apachelogger is going to ask the new amarok artwork guy | ||
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| manchicken | Riddell: Is that medisoncelebrity.com really a scam? | 03:25 |
| manchicken | And this thing, even using ./debian/rules buildprep && ./debian/rules build is still not building. Same problem. | 03:27 |
| Riddell | manchicken: is adept from bzr the same version as in the archive? | 03:28 |
| Riddell | manchicken: according to slashdot it is, and they're never wrong | 03:28 |
| manchicken | I'm seriously doubting t. | 03:28 |
| manchicken | it* | 03:28 |
| manchicken | As the adept from the archive actually builds, whereas this one does not. | 03:28 |
| manchicken | Even if I buildprep on it, it still builds. | 03:28 |
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| kwwii | apachelogger: screenshot? perhaps if I find some time, or it is really easy we can get something done | 03:29 |
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| Tonio_ | siretart: just saw you had to add the vpn-properties patch again..... | 03:37 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: Hello. | 03:37 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: wasn't this sync on bzr ? I sent the patch to asac, so that we would fix this once and for all.... | 03:37 |
| ScottK | Have you a moment to discuss Klamav | 03:37 |
| siretart | Tonio_: well, you moved it back to /usr/lib leaving the gnome-applet broken for over a week. so I went and added the patch back | 03:38 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: I sent both the applet patch and the network-manager changes to install the binary under /usr/share, so I don't understand why only one of them reached the repos... | 03:38 |
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| ScottK | apachelogger: Uploaded. | 03:38 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: nope, as I said, I did the 2 required changes, sending them to asac for bzr inclusion, telling him he'd have to release the 2 packages.... | 03:38 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: thanks | 03:38 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: that's why I don't understand | 03:38 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: there was changes on the network-manager package, and indeed a patch to add back to the applet package..... | 03:39 |
| siretart | Tonio_: binaries must not be installed in usr/share. atm it is in /usr/lib/network-manager/nm-vpn-properties | 03:39 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: well sorry for the issue, but I must say I don't understand that mess :) | 03:39 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: right, probably it was /usr/lib, you're right on that point :) | 03:39 |
| siretart | Tonio_: no problem. I just fixed a bug. there was even an lp bug open about it | 03:39 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: let's hope it is on bzr this time as I requested, otherwise next upload will remove the patch again....... | 03:40 |
| apachelogger | kwwii: basically I'd just need a background image, then I probably can do some css magic and it's done http://aplg.kollide.net/images/tmp022.png http://aplg.kollide.net/images/tmp023.png | 03:40 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: did you check the network-manager-applet bzr branch ? | 03:40 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: probably there is the issue | 03:40 |
| siretart | no, I didn't | 03:40 |
| siretart | it would have been nice if it contained a XS-Vcs-Bzr tag | 03:41 |
| Tonio_ | oki, we shoudl ping asac on that point | 03:41 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: true, I suspect that's asac work, I may not even have access to the bzr branch in fact.... | 03:41 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: I'll try to ping asac tomorrow concerning this, to unsure the branch is up to date and avoid breaking the applet again... | 03:42 |
| siretart | Tonio_: where is the network-manager-applet bzr branch? I don't see it on https://code.launchpad.net/network-manager/+branches | 03:42 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: I don't want to really maintain this package as I don't use it in fact | 03:42 |
| kwwii | apachelogger: I guess we could use something based on the new wallpaper | 03:42 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: can't you just take the new kubuntu wallpaper and crop it to fit? | 03:42 |
| siretart | Tonio_: you are in the maintainer field, after all | 03:43 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: it is a separate package afaik | 03:43 |
| siretart | Tonio_: yes, I know, but where is the branch? | 03:43 |
| Tonio_ | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/network-manager/gnome.ubuntu.0.6.x | 03:43 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: there is it | 03:43 |
| siretart | ah, thanks | 03:43 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: as you can see my changes are in it | 03:43 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: so the issue is a human error, someone removed it manually it seems | 03:43 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: seb128 didn't merge his changes too | 03:44 |
| Tonio_ | and I couldn't remember but I have access to this ;) | 03:44 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: would be nice to commit your latest changes maybe.... :) | 03:44 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: he probably missed this because of the missing XS-Vcs-Bzr tag in fact :) that explains everything | 03:45 |
| siretart | perhaps I should upload ubuntu7 with just the XS-VCS-Bzr tag | 03:45 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: my changes have never been released as a package, everyone used the old one | 03:45 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: true, add the tag and commit bzr so that the problem is resolved once and for all | 03:45 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: cause if we don't the problem will be back again and again... | 03:46 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: that looks silly when you just got konqui on the desktop, not in fullscreen, and you're on the sysinfo page | 03:48 |
| siretart | Tonio_: WTF is this? just a debian/ directory and nothing else? | 03:48 |
| apachelogger | kwwii: based on the wallpaper sounds good though | 03:48 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: true | 03:48 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: that's the way we generally do btw, just sync debian/ with the package | 03:49 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: I just did as asac initiated the branch :) I'm not responsible for it, but that's the way I would also do it | 03:49 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: what is the problem with this ? | 03:49 |
| manchicken | Riddell: Yeah, just a quick look at the control files shows that your bzr tree is pretty out of date. The archive deb-src is requiring a version of debtags >= 1.6.1 and your control file is also missing a lot of dependencies in the control file that is in the archive has. | 03:49 |
| siretart | Tonio_: how do you build the package? if you copy the source in, you'll get tons of 'unknown files' | 03:50 |
| siretart | Tonio_: that's ugly and error prone. why not just versioning the contents of the debian/ dir? why the debian dir itself? | 03:50 |
| Riddell | manchicken: ok, sorry about that, I'll merge it when I get a chance, just work from the version in the archive then | 03:51 |
| manchicken | Righto. Not a problem. All of those patches I mentioned before in the bug reports were based off of the archive version and not off of the bzr branch, just to clarify. | 03:51 |
| manchicken | And I would apply them in the order of the details button bug, the proxy fix, and the dpkg lock fix as I wrote them in that order... that might help avoid conflicts. | 03:52 |
| siretart | Tonio_: pushed and uploaded | 03:58 |
| Tonio_ | siretart: you rock :) | 03:59 |
| Riddell | edubuntu-desktop-kde uploaded | 04:02 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: Maybe a minute now on klamav? | 04:02 |
| ScottK | I wanted to discuss the patch you did on disabling updates. | 04:02 |
| ScottK | Also there's a new upstream version. | 04:02 |
| kwwii | apachelogger: cool, I am sure that we can get something in, might take a bit as I am quite overloaded with work atm | 04:03 |
| apachelogger | kwwii: well, one week before upstream version freeze should be ok | 04:04 |
| apachelogger | freeze is on 16th, isn't it? | 04:05 |
| kwwii | good question, I have no idea | 04:05 |
| apachelogger | Lord Riddell knows | 04:05 |
| apachelogger | oh actually | 04:05 |
| Riddell | it's not an upstream version change | 04:05 |
| apachelogger | what is it then? | 04:05 |
| Riddell | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyReleaseSchedule | 04:05 |
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| Riddell | an artwork change | 04:06 |
| apachelogger | hm | 04:06 |
| apachelogger | now | 04:06 |
| Riddell | GutsyArtworkFinalDeadline September 20th | 04:06 |
| apachelogger | oh, cool | 04:07 |
| apachelogger | so I'll upload current version to revu ASAP | 04:07 |
| Riddell | sure | 04:07 |
| apachelogger | Riddell, Tonio_: btw, did one of you actually had a look at the konquerorrc patch I sent? | 04:07 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: no, I've been meaning to do that for ages | 04:08 |
| Riddell | maybe I should just do it now | 04:08 |
| apachelogger | hehe | 04:09 |
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| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I missed that one too, sorry for this..... | 04:21 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: no problem | 04:24 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I don't think we can make your change... | 04:29 |
| Riddell | the reason we have a non-standard /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc is because of a bug in xmlgui thingy | 04:29 |
| Riddell | where it should load /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc but doesn't | 04:30 |
| Riddell | when you're launching konqueror as part of a restored session | 04:30 |
| apachelogger | :| | 04:30 |
| Riddell | but k-d-s konqueror.rc and kdebase konqueror.rc should be the same | 04:30 |
| Riddell | but they're quite different | 04:30 |
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| apachelogger | on the other hand I hate all bugs ;-) | 04:31 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: well, thanks for looking into it | 04:31 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: okies. Where should I put it then? revu? | 04:32 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I just tried to recreate the bug but I can't | 04:32 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: maybe we should try removing the kdebase non-standard konqueror.rc and seeing if the bug is still there for people | 04:33 |
| apachelogger | hm | 04:33 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: sounds like a good idea | 04:34 |
| apachelogger | alpha stage is perfect for this kind of stuff, isn't it? | 04:34 |
| Riddell | yes | 04:34 |
| === apachelogger gotta grab something to drink | ||
| Tm_P | apachelogger: water <3 | 04:36 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: already uploaded | 04:38 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: no, but for the future? | 04:43 |
| Riddell | does anyone use bzr-buildpackage? | 04:52 |
| Riddell | each time I look at the wiki page I give up knowing that it'll be easier for now just to do it manually | 04:53 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i find it doesnt work. use bzr export to export the debian, then build from that | 04:53 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: but then I can't commit back | 04:53 |
| ScottK | With svn I just copy any files I change after the export back with cp and svn picks up they've changed. | 04:54 |
| Riddell | that's what I'm doing, but it's error prone | 04:55 |
| ScottK | True. | 04:55 |
| Riddell | and it's noticably more work that not having to do anything in bzr | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i'm unsure what the best way is. i tend to commit first, then export & build | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | this is true. there should be a saner way | 04:56 |
| mhb | should someone (me) take a look at it? | 04:56 |
| mhb | if it's in python, we can fix it :o) | 04:56 |
| ScottK | I find I have to be really careful, but it's less scary for me that the svn-inject stuff. | 04:56 |
| Riddell | mhb: aren't you busy with restricted-manager? | 04:56 |
| ScottK | And the Konsole/Python-kde3 bug... | 04:57 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: uploaded kdebase without our konqueror.rc, let's see if it breaks anything | 04:57 |
| mhb | ScottK: that was yours :o) | 04:57 |
| ScottK | It was mine as long it was a Python thing. I'm still convinced it's in Konsole somewhere. | 04:57 |
| mhb | Riddell: pretty much, yes. Well, someone else can take a look at it, there's plenty of fellows knowing python. | 04:57 |
| ScottK | Someone who understands C stuff ought to look at that last diff I posted. | 04:58 |
| Riddell | ScottK: posted where? | 04:58 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Last comment in Bug 117731 - That looks like more pty code that is substantially different in edgy-updates. | 04:59 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 117731 in python-kde3 "Python crashes after attaching pty to a konsole kpart" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117731 | 04:59 |
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| Tonio_ | ryanakca: for the future, well I may do the package myself, or otherwise, just ping me if you id it | 05:09 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: no.. Where should I stick it up on future occasions? | 05:11 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: then revu is the place | 05:12 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: Any objection if I go ahead and update klamav to the new version? | 05:12 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: please do :) | 05:14 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: just be sure to add all my patches to it | 05:14 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: they are not sync upstream yet | 05:14 |
| ScottK | OK. Well I wanted to talk about the no updates patch. | 05:15 |
| ScottK | We've added all kinds of ways (e.g. gdebi) for people to easy install stuff outside the packaging system. | 05:15 |
| ScottK | This one seems harmless and people always whine about the "Your clamav is out of date" warnings. | 05:15 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: yeah but always in the form of debian packages | 05:15 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: which klamav doesn't | 05:16 |
| ScottK | There's also the zero-install-injector package. | 05:16 |
| Tonio_ | I mean the fact that the program autoupdates itself | 05:16 |
| ScottK | Or some such thing | 05:16 |
| ScottK | Right. | 05:16 |
| Tonio_ | I don't have any problem with virus database update | 05:16 |
| Tonio_ | just the fact that it autoupdates | 05:16 |
| Tonio_ | can cause issues | 05:16 |
| ScottK | In this case it just does it for the user that updates it and doesn't interfere with the packaged version. | 05:16 |
| Tonio_ | especially since a user may not be root on his machine | 05:16 |
| ScottK | Yes. That's why it installs it in ~/ | 05:17 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: yep but that sounds crackefull for the user | 05:17 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: I know, but in any case a user might not understand the way it works | 05:17 |
| ScottK | It's not ideal I agree. | 05:17 |
| Tonio_ | I mean the strengh of ubuntu is the packaging system | 05:17 |
| ScottK | Agreed. | 05:17 |
| ScottK | I think clamav is kind of a special case. | 05:17 |
| Tonio_ | do we want it like windows were any program updates itself it's own way ? I don't think so :) | 05:17 |
| ScottK | I don't either. | 05:18 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: well we have to be up to date with the package | 05:18 |
| Tonio_ | that's my point :) | 05:18 |
| ScottK | Sure. | 05:18 |
| Tonio_ | I would prefer that the patch stays if you don't mind | 05:18 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: btw we can discuss that further during the next ubuntu meeting, others' opinion would be interesting | 05:19 |
| ScottK | Would you be up for document all the risks and leave it up to the user (they'll need doc on how to install the build-deps anyway. | 05:19 |
| ScottK | OK. | 05:19 |
| ScottK | BTW, the Feisty version doesn't have your patch (don't look at me), so this will be a regression in some people's eyes. | 05:19 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: why would they ? | 05:20 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: they should just use dist-upgrade | 05:20 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: I would say that it's different for clamav | 05:20 |
| ScottK | Sure, once Gutsy is release. | 05:20 |
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| Tonio_ | ScottK: we can submit backports then | 05:20 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: and someone has to care care of them | 05:20 |
| ScottK | True. | 05:20 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: there i a clamav launchpad team afaik | 05:21 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: would be interesting asking them | 05:21 |
| ScottK | Yes and guess who is it's admin? | 05:21 |
| Tonio_ | btw I have to leave the computer :) | 05:21 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: who is ? | 05:21 |
| ScottK | Me | 05:21 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: haha :) | 05:21 |
| ScottK | We can discuss later. | 05:22 |
| Tonio_ | ok so let's rediscuss this later | 05:22 |
| ScottK | OK | 05:22 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: I wouldn't have any objection except I must say I'm not that a fan of apps autopdating them | 05:22 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: especially since the autoupdate would ignore patches | 05:22 |
| ScottK | Well that's a very good point. | 05:22 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: translations, etc...... can create lots of issues reguarding to the user | 05:22 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: but let's rediscuss this later :) | 05:23 |
| ScottK | OK. We can discuss more later, but I'm thinking auto-update clamav, but not klamav is a sensible approach. | 05:23 |
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| Tonio_ | ScottK: that's different for clamav indeed, as nes engine can be required sometime | 05:24 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: but imho that should be done via backports | 05:24 |
| ScottK | Makes sense. If I get time to update it, I'll take a look at the documentation that goes with klamav and see if I can explain it sensibly. | 05:25 |
| Tonio_ | sure, and as I said, we should rediscuss this to be sure to go in the right direction | 05:27 |
| ScottK | Yes | 05:28 |
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| manchicken | I'm torn between quanta+ and kate. | 05:37 |
| manchicken | The editor is the same, but Quanta+ has the tree-view file browser, and the tabbed editor. | 05:37 |
| manchicken | Quanta+ also has snippets, thought I think Kate has those, too. | 05:37 |
| ScottK | How does the $NOT_CRASH feature work on Quanta+? | 05:38 |
| manchicken | About as well as it works in kate :) | 05:39 |
| manchicken | No, I take that back. | 05:39 |
| ScottK | OK. I don't think I've ever had KATE crash on me. | 05:39 |
| manchicken | Quanta+ is less stable than Kate. | 05:39 |
| manchicken | I have. | 05:39 |
| manchicken | But I leave Kate up all the time. | 05:39 |
| === ScottK too (KATE all the time) | ||
| manchicken | If Kate had a tree-view for the file browser, or at least a working plugin that gave me that, there'd be no contest. | 05:40 |
| ScottK | For me, more stable is a BIG incentive. | 05:40 |
| manchicken | The in-editor file-browser for Kate is just horrible. | 05:40 |
| manchicken | For me, being able to walk file trees quickly is more important. | 05:40 |
| manchicken | Ooh, and do you know the hotkey to switch buffers in Kate? | 05:41 |
| manchicken | I don't think there is one. | 05:42 |
| manchicken | Whereas quanta+ has the imperfect but functional Ctrl+Tab | 05:42 |
| === DaSkreech sits under the "Kollab Editing for Kate FTW!!!" Sign | ||
| manchicken | I think I may just go back to Emacs with tramp-mode. | 05:44 |
| manchicken | Sweet. Emacs22 is in repos :) | 05:44 |
| === manchicken does the "new emacs" dance... | ||
| ScottK | Well that explains a lot. | 05:46 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 05:46 |
| Hobbsee | can someone qualified look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/75149 please? | 05:47 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 75149 in kdepim "Palm TX connecting on USB does not have consistent device name" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 05:47 |
| manchicken | Hobbsee: That's interesting :) | 05:47 |
| manchicken | Hobbsee: The folks in #kpilot have been talking to me about my Treo issue, and they said they're working on some issues caused by the new version of their pilot syncing dependency. | 05:48 |
| Hobbsee | right | 05:48 |
| DaSkreech | Go emacs :-) | 05:49 |
| manchicken | Aww, emacs22, you have disappointed me... | 05:50 |
| DaSkreech | !Hobbsee | 05:50 |
| ubotu | I phear the stick so shhhhh | 05:50 |
| manchicken | Isn't emacs22 where we're supposed to have fuzzy-fonts? | 05:50 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: do me a favour and push https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/57129 through please :) | 05:51 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 57129 in kdepim "SRU required: [dapper] Can't make imap folder" [High,Confirmed] | 05:51 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: What do you want me to do? | 05:53 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: get the SRU done? | 05:54 |
| Hobbsee | oh wait, you're not a core dev. dammit | 05:54 |
| ScottK | Yeah. | 05:54 |
| ScottK | You should find one of those to do it ;-) | 05:54 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: While you're at it, maybe you could look at the SRU proposed in Bug #96586? | 05:55 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 96586 in inkscape "Correct multiple inkscape issues in Feisty (SRU and Backport)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96586 | 05:55 |
| Hobbsee | i'm so not | 05:55 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt do SRU's, unless she has a very good incentive to | ||
| ScottK | OK. I can understand that, particularly in Main. | 05:56 |
| Hobbsee | oh yeah, main makes it worse | 06:21 |
| ScottK | Actually Universe SRUs are pretty easy these days. | 06:25 |
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| manchicken | kmixer does a piss-poor job of saving volume settings on exit. | 07:21 |
| manchicken | Every time I log into KDE I have to turn down my primary volume, and unmute the microphone again. | 07:21 |
| DaSkreech | I don't think it save it at all | 07:22 |
| manchicken | It really should. | 07:22 |
| DaSkreech | I just set all my music stuff around the default | 07:22 |
| ScottK | manchicken: Did you see crimsun's post to ubuntu-devel on those issues. I don't think it's kmixer's fault. | 07:22 |
| manchicken | No? | 07:23 |
| manchicken | Is it the ALSA mixer or something? | 07:23 |
| ScottK | Something. | 07:24 |
| ScottK | I don't recall the specifics. | 07:24 |
| DaSkreech | New Speedcrunch | 08:01 |
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| Riddell | ooh? | 08:07 |
| jjesse | version .8 correct? | 08:08 |
| jjesse | i'm trying to finalize the doc for .9 | 08:08 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: fancy packaging it? | 08:09 |
| Riddell | yes, seems to be 0.8 http://code.google.com/p/speedcrunch/ | 08:09 |
| jjesse | wouldn't that get packaged first in debian? | 08:09 |
| Riddell | maybe, we don't tend to rely on debian though | 08:10 |
| jjesse | oh | 08:10 |
| ScottK | jjesse: You could always package it for Debian. | 08:19 |
| jjesse | ScottK: ummm no it would be really ugly | 08:26 |
| ScottK | Why? | 08:26 |
| jjesse | ScottK: cause i don't have the time or know how | 08:26 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 08:26 |
| ScottK | That'd do it. | 08:26 |
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| jhutchins | Riddell: ping. | 08:58 |
| Riddell | hi jhutchins | 09:05 |
| Riddell | jhutchins: you said something about a factoid? | 09:06 |
| jhutchins | Ja, could we link !sk to the !cz factoid? | 09:06 |
| Riddell | !cz | 09:06 |
| ubotu | esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme. | 09:06 |
| Riddell | !sk | 09:06 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about sk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 09:06 |
| Riddell | I can never remember how to update ubotu, fdoving did a good job of it the other day | 09:06 |
| jhutchins | k, I'll bug him next time I see him around. | 09:07 |
| Riddell | jhutchins: can you pastebin what you think it should say? | 09:07 |
| jhutchins | Riddell: Well, ubuntu-cz (Czeck) was the best thing we could come up with for a Slovakian (sk) user earlier today. | 09:09 |
| jhutchins | For all i know it could be an insult though. | 09:09 |
| ScottK | jhutchins: I would suspect it would be. They didn't randomly split into two countries. | 09:12 |
| jhutchins | Yeah, the more I think on it, the less I like the idea. | 09:13 |
| jhutchins | Hadn't had coffee yet then. | 09:13 |
| mhb | no | 09:18 |
| mhb | it's not an insult | 09:19 |
| mhb | AFAIK we share that channel | 09:19 |
| mhb | and gladly | 09:19 |
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| DaSkreech | :-) | 09:23 |
| ScottK | Ah. Good to know mhb. | 09:30 |
| Riddell | mhb: able to provide suitable entries for !sk and !cz then? | 09:31 |
| Riddell | we do have a kubuntu.sk website that should be there | 09:32 |
| mhb | Riddell: I can't speak slovak, but I'll ask someone for a suitable line | 09:33 |
| mhb | give me a minute | 09:33 |
| DaSkreech | !pt | 09:37 |
| ubotu | Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado. | 09:37 |
| mhb | Slovenskch uivateov iadame, aby na kanly #ubuntu rozprvali anglicky. Slovensky alebo esky se mete dohovori na kanle #ubuntu-cz. | 09:53 |
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| mhb | ^^ a Slovak equivalent of the Czech sentence for the !sk info. | 09:55 |
| mhb | Riddell: kubuntu.sk is not mentioned but I think every kubuntu user in slovakia knows the page. | 09:55 |
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| fabo | Riddell: strigi 0.5.4 tagged, i will update debian package and sync with ubuntu. | 10:06 |
| DaSkreech | !pl | 10:15 |
| ubotu | Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl | 10:15 |
| DaSkreech | What's the thing for the Philipenes? | 10:15 |
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| wewek | hello | 11:08 |
| wewek | mhb: tak jsem tady ;) | 11:08 |
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| Riddell | mhb: can you pastebin that, my terminal doesn't do utf 8 | 11:26 |
| Riddell | fabo: excellent | 11:26 |
| Riddell | fabo: I hope it's more stable than my snapshot | 11:26 |
| ScottK | DaSkreech: Use the ISO country codes. | 11:31 |
| mhb | Riddell: shame on your terminal :o) | 11:35 |
| mhb | Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/635141 | 11:35 |
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| nixternal | howdy folks! | 11:51 |
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| DaSkreech | !nixternal | 11:56 |
| ubotu | Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! | 11:56 |
| nixternal | ummm NO! | 11:59 |
| DaSkreech | Right | 11:59 |
| DaSkreech | Oh NO | 12:00 |
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