[05:46] <ryanakca> Riddell: bug 128443
[05:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128443 in ksniffer "Please update ksniffer to 0.3" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128443
[05:49] <ryanakca> Riddell: umm. nevermind.
[09:33] <raphink> !seen marseillai
[09:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen marseillai - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:38] <Hobbsee> raphink: /msg seenserv seen marseillai
[09:38] <raphink>  /msg seenserv seen marseillai
[09:38] <raphink> oops ;)
[09:38] <raphink> hi Hobbsee
[09:38] <_StefanS_> morning
[09:39] <_StefanS_> hmm is there a way to control the number of steps the new volume up/down uses?
[10:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: doing knetworkmanager now
[10:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[10:49] <Tonio_> allee: ping ?
[10:55] <allee> Tonio_: hi!!!
[10:59] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey
[10:59] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: didn't see you last night..
[11:01] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yeah I had a car issue, so couldn't connect
[11:01] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'll be there tomorrow all the day....
[11:02] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: lots of problems nowadays
[11:02] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ah good, cause I decided to watch a movie..
[11:02] <Tonio_> allee: got my response btw :)
[11:02] <Tonio_> allee: any news concerning kdebluetooth ?
[11:02] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hehe :)
[11:03] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: number 23.. nice one.
[11:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: got a fullscreen fade almost done btw..
[11:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: super :)
[11:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: we'll test everything next week probably
[11:08] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yea, good idea
[11:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'll have a bunch of 2 weeks full time available for kubuntu
[11:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'll just remove your patch tomorrow morning from kdelibs
[11:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sweet, lets hope my wife doesn't give birth the next two weeks :D
[11:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: and w<ill give you access to my repo
[11:09] <_StefanS_> goody
[11:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: woohoo
[11:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: didn't knew about that, super !
[11:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep, its number two .. we've got one 11 months old already :)
[11:10] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: have a girl, now getting a boy.
[11:10] <Tonio_> hehe, great :)
[11:10] <_StefanS_> yes, alot of work, but I love kids :)
[11:10] <allee> _StefanS_: congrats.
[11:10] <_StefanS_> allee: thanks :)
[11:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well we have time to get the effect to work
[11:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the important thing is that we'll have kdesudo soon by default :)
[11:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: but I'm sure we can fit it all in anyways.. I can always sleep when I get old :)
[11:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: indeed. Kdesudo is much better than kdesu..
[11:12] <allee> Tonio_: No, nothing new about kbluetooth.  Last time I checked (~ 3 weeks ago) commit msgs indicate that quite some bugs got fixed.  I've pinged upstream now if there are plans for a beta4
[11:12] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: don't mind we'll do it, it's jsut a matter of time :)
[11:12] <Tonio_> allee: oki :)
[11:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: when it that new feature deadline for gutsy? (cant remember)
[11:12] <Tonio_> allee: current state is to me too buggy for default inclusion, but really promissing
[11:13] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: lemme check
[11:13] <allee> Tonio_: agreed.
[11:13] <_StefanS_> does anyone know if kbiff or similar is making it into kde4?
[11:13] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: August 16th
[11:13] <_StefanS_> alright, still some time then.
[11:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: as this is eye candy, I suspect there is no way to get an exception for this :)
[11:14] <allee> Tonio_: I'm 'renovating' my flat currently.  So in the last weeks I had 0 free time to follow any of my open source interests
[11:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: right... hardly a must have feature :)
[11:14] <allee> still some weeks of work
[11:14] <Tonio_> allee: same for me due to crazy schedule at work
[11:14] <allee> Tonio_: heh, I didn't even notice that :)
[11:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm just mimic'ing the gnome fade for gtksu btw.
[11:15] <allee> Tonio_: approaching a deadline at work?
[11:16] <Tonio_> allee: that seems to be the common state in fact
[11:16] <Tonio_> perpetual deadline :)
[11:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yeah the gnome effect would be nice I agree
[11:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: more like... "we're not shutting down" .. the curtain effect doesn't really suit a password dialog :)
[11:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hehe
[11:27] <allee> :)
[11:37] <allee> Tonio_: [11:35]  <dgollub> allee: we already tagged beta4 ... but we have to contact RockMan to post the annoucnment
[11:37] <allee> Tonio_:  [11:36]  <dgollub> http://cryptomilch.de/~dgollub/kdebluetooth/
[11:40] <Tonio_> allee: super
[11:41] <allee> Tonio_: it's not annouced so maaaaaybe be a last minute change to the tarball, so better no official upload before it's announced
[11:42] <Tonio_> sure
[11:42] <allee> Tonio_: I can give it a try this weekend, if you have no time befire
[11:42] <allee> before that is
[11:42] <Tonio_> allee: I may have some time
[11:42] <allee> Tonio_: you make my family happy :)
[12:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: doing what to knetworkmanager?
[12:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: merging with debian
[01:27] <manchicken> w00t!  I complained to Dell about the long wait time for my new Ubuntu Dell, and they gave me free next-day shipping :)
[01:31] <Riddell> yay
[01:33] <manchicken> Riddell: Do you know what's going on with the OpenOffice issue in Gutsy?
[01:35] <manchicken> Riddell: Although it is getting me to use koffice more than I had been :)
[01:35] <manchicken> Finding some very strange issues in kspread.
[01:35] <Riddell> no idea
[01:35] <Riddell> kspread forgets to update cells quite a lot
[01:35] <manchicken> Riddell: Do you have any idea what issue I'm talking about?
[01:35] <Riddell> nope
[01:36] <manchicken> kspread also has serious display issues when you switch pages and delete and insert rows alot.
[01:36] <manchicken> Riddell: With OOo right now, if I start one of the programs, say oocalc, I get a splash screen and then soffice.bin maxes CPU.
[01:37] <Riddell> so people are saying
[01:37] <Riddell> it's not making me want to do a dist upgrade for sure :)
[01:37] <manchicken> Well, for my needs, koffice is working fine.
[01:37] <manchicken> And it's actually magnitudes faster than OOo.
[01:37] <manchicken> It's got me reconsidering my own usage patterns :)
[01:38] <manchicken> koffice is lightning fast, and it only has odd issues, no major data loss or crashing.
[01:38] <manchicken> Whereas OOo has no weird issues, but is slow as can be.
[01:39] <manchicken> Riddell: So are you from a rather small town in Scottland?
[01:40] <manchicken> I have no idea the geography of Scottland, and the not-so-distant move has me curious about other areas of the world once again :)
[01:40] <Riddell> I'm from the capital
[01:40] <Riddell> which is the second largest city (and obviously the most classy)
[01:41] <Riddell> it's spelt Scotland
[01:41] <manchicken> Ah.  You're right.  Sorry
[01:41] <manchicken> :)
[01:41] <manchicken> What's the population?
[01:42] <manchicken> Urban?  Rural?
[01:42] <Riddell> 448,624
[01:42] <manchicken> Ah.
[01:42] <Riddell> of Edinburgh, being a city it's urban
[01:43] <manchicken> The place I'm moving to has about 6,000 folks living there.
[01:43] <manchicken> although I'm having a very difficult time finding actual estimates.
[01:43] <Riddell> just so long as the internet connection is fast..
[01:43] <manchicken> 15mbps :)
[01:43] <Riddell> don't US towns have their population on the sign as you enter them?
[01:43] <manchicken> 5mbps faster than it currently is.
[01:43] <manchicken> Some of them do.
[01:43] <manchicken> And those signs tend to be dated quickly for smaller populations.
[01:44] <Riddell> there was me thinking someone made a new sign each time a baby was born :)
[01:44] <manchicken> When you enter Chicago, the 8 million people sign is a close enough approximation for their size, but when your population is only a 4-digit number, it can vary considerably from year to year.
[01:44] <manchicken> heh
[01:44] <apachelogger> ~1600 inhabitants :D
[01:44] <manchicken> I've been to a town that had a sign with pegs on it, and someone just changed the numbers.
[01:45] <manchicken> But it was only a 2-digit population.
[01:45] <manchicken> The 2000 census (which is ancient by now) says Mahomet has 4,877 folks.
[01:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: have you been poking people?
[01:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: and have you been tending to packages that have been revu'ed by someone?
[01:48] <apachelogger> I was quite busy lately
[01:48] <apachelogger> maybe I should do a packaging afternoon
[01:48] <apachelogger> I'm not very productive today anyway ;-)
[01:49] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm thinking of adding some warnings to Adept.
[01:49] <Riddell> manchicken: about what?
[01:49] <manchicken> Riddell: When any of your changes results in the removal of an important or essential package.
[01:50] <manchicken> I've been toying with where to put it, and I think the only appropriate place to put this is when you hit the "Apply Changes" button.
[01:51] <Riddell> why not when you click to make the change?
[01:52] <manchicken> Primarily because not all side-effects of a single click are visible during that one click.
[01:52] <manchicken> From the code point of view.
[01:52] <Riddell> right
[01:52] <manchicken> That information is much more accessible when you're getting ready to commit.
[01:53] <manchicken> The only apprehension I have for this warning is the situation where one essential package obsoletes another, and adept is correctly removing it.
[01:53] <manchicken> But that's why I'm thinking I'll put this on adept_manager only.
[01:53] <Riddell> yes
[01:53] <manchicken> Or do what I can to only put it there.
[01:54] <manchicken> updater and installer don't really have common use-cases where this situation would happen I don't think.
[01:55] <manchicken> Do you have an up-to-date bzr branch of adept?
[01:56] <Riddell> I think my one on launchpad.net/adept is
[01:56] <Riddell> if it's not (compared to what's in the archives) let me know
[01:57] <manchicken> Righto.
[01:57] <manchicken> Have you applied all of my recent fixes to that branch, too?
[01:58] <manchicken> The fix for the useless details button bug and the bug where changelogs weren't respecting proxy settings?
[01:58] <manchicken> Oh, yeah, the locked dpkg database fix.
[02:00] <Riddell> manchicken: do I know about these fixes?
[02:01] <manchicken> I thought you would since I put them on the bugs directly.
[02:01] <manchicken> I haven't been doing a very good job of communicating fixes lately it seems...
[02:04] <Riddell> I have every bug come into my inbox, I therefor miss quite a few of them
[02:04] <manchicken> Nice.
[02:04] <manchicken> I'll see if I can get bug numbers for you
[02:04] <Riddell> if there's a patch for something IRC is probably best
[02:06] <manchicken> There's the proxy fix patch posted on bug #119089 which also seems to fix bug #85056.
[02:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119089 in adept "Unable to fetch the Developer Changelog" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119089
[02:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 85056 in adept "adept_updater try's to fetch changelog from other package" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85056
[02:07] <manchicken> The database locked patch is posted on bug #48627.
[02:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 48627 in adept "Poor resolution of "database locked" problem" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/48627
[02:08] <manchicken> And then there's the useless details button bug fix patch on bug #119969.
[02:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119969 in adept "Adept Installer review changes screen has a useless Details button." [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119969
[02:08] <manchicken> Sorry about all of the confusion :)
[02:08] <manchicken> Life's been so crazy lately it's hard to communicate all of this stuff effectively.
[02:09] <Riddell> groovy stuff, I'll try and take a look at them today
[02:09] <manchicken> Especially since we're buying the house and we're going to be moving at the end of August.
[02:09] <manchicken> Sweet.  Thanks :)
[02:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: ping
[02:10] <ScottK> pong
[02:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6104 is it ok to just write "various files in the admin directory are covered by the LGPL"?
[02:11] <apachelogger> instead of listing all the files
[02:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[02:12] <apachelogger> thanks
[02:12] <apachelogger> ScottK: btw, if you're in revu mood, I got quite some work to do ^_^
[02:13] <ScottK> The comment on your previous upload still stands.
[02:13] <ScottK> The latest rev of that package appears to have been loaded without the new tarball.
[02:15] <ScottK> How did you build your source package?
[02:18] <apachelogger> debuild -S -sa
[02:20] <ScottK> OK.  That should be fine then.
[02:20] <ScottK> Just make sure you -S -sa with the right source...
[02:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: I have a very precise folder structure, so I'd probably have to drink a lot of coffee to do the debuild with the wrong source :)
[02:23] <ScottK> OK.  Just trying to consider all the possible error sources.
[02:25] <apachelogger> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6188
[02:25] <apachelogger> Oo
[02:25] <apachelogger> doesn't show up in this diff either
[02:25] <ScottK> OK then.  How come I don't see COPYING.LIB in the debdiff then.  http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=5365&upid2=618
[02:25] <ScottK> Right.  Or rather http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=5365&upid2=6188
[02:25] <apachelogger> ScottK: has to be a bug in revu
[02:26] <apachelogger> cause the tarball is the right one
[02:26] <Riddell> is there anything in kubuntu-desktop we wouldn't want in an edubuntu-kde?
[02:27] <ScottK> Riddell: You might want to consider a lighter weight mail client.  Is Kontact the right approach for their target market (I don't know)?
[02:28] <Riddell> edubuntu seem to have evolution
[02:28] <kwwii> I guess kexi would not be needed
[02:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: now actually there is no light weight mail client
[02:29] <apachelogger> or actually no proper usable one
[02:29] <ScottK> Well then nevermind about that.
[02:29] <apachelogger> only mailody
[02:29] <apachelogger> and that only supports imap
[02:30] <ScottK> apachelogger: I agree, it's there.
[02:30] <apachelogger> hooray ^_^
[02:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: kcron isn't needed
[02:32] <mhb> apachelogger: there's more mini apps like this that could go into universe instead
[02:32] <mhb> (IMHO)
[02:32] <apachelogger> yeah
[02:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: ksystemlog is also nt really needed in the target market I think :)
[02:33] <Hobbsee> boo
[02:34] <jjesse> don't cry
[02:34] <mhb> apachelogger: you read my mind ... not sure if we should change it for Gutsy, but a more complex review of apps like those could happen for gutsy+1
[02:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: ktorrent
[02:35] <jjesse> we having another meeting?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> jjesse: yes, next wednesday
[02:35] <mhb> Hobbsee: we do? great
[02:35] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: finally a meeting when I can attend and become mighty member?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> as per the KubuntuCouncil spec, which was discussed, but the contents of which are still sitting on my hard drive
[02:35] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: indeed.
[02:35] <Hobbsee> mhb: yep
[02:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: actually kontact should be dropped -> only kmail
[02:36] <apachelogger> can't think of anything else right now ;)
[02:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: back to work...
[02:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: so I was merging knm with debian, but I had problems to apply the kdepot patch since there is no admin/ folder in it
[02:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw kapptemplate admin/ folder seems to be ready for rosetta so I can drop the patch
[02:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: What's the license of admin/am_edit?
[02:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm just testing the build on a amd64 machine cause we had the isse till now, and I upload
[02:40] <Riddell> there's no admin/ directory?
[02:40] <Riddell> this is still KDE 3?
[02:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: true
[02:40] <Riddell> but but.. how?
[02:40] <Tonio_> ask upstream :)
[02:40] <Tonio_> and this is still kde3 of course
[02:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: they have been prompted that's an issue, so let'ts wait for the next tarball
[02:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: so mbiebl added a builddep on kapptemplate to copy the admin content, but I had problem to get that copied before the patches are applied in fact
[02:41] <apachelogger> ScottK: there's no
[02:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know releasing a tarball without admin/ is a pure stipidity..... but that's it
[02:42] <Tonio_> s/sti/Stu
[02:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I notices debian packages as network-manager-kde and provides knetworkmanager
[02:42] <ScottK> apachelogger: There is.
[02:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there any reason we do the opposite way ?
[02:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: because you made it that way?
[02:43] <Riddell> wasnae me whoever did it
[02:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I probably did as we packaged it before debian....
[02:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't see any consequence in changing this right now, should I change this ?
[02:44] <apachelogger> ScottK: Oo where?
[02:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok with me
[02:44] <ScottK> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31388
[02:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki :)
[02:46] <apachelogger> kde-common admin headache(tm)
[02:46] <ScottK> Yeah.  Also I only see a couple of files the mention LGPL.  Since it's a small number, I think it'd be clearer to list them.
[02:47] <apachelogger> so
[02:47] <apachelogger> guys
[02:47] <apachelogger> do we have an example list
[02:47] <Riddell> the archive admins discussed this yesterday, you don't need to list every small copyright holder
[02:48] <Riddell> it has a different licence so its worth noting that but its ok to just say "file in admin/ are LGPL see common-licence.."
[02:48] <ScottK> Agreed.
[02:48] <apachelogger> hooray
[02:49] <ScottK> The only thing I would say is that I see LGPL in only two files out of about 20, so I think it should be listed which.
[02:50] <ScottK> If it were more than that, I'd say various, but since it's only one or two.
[02:50] <apachelogger> 2 files in the admin directory are covered by the GNU LGPL
[02:50] <Riddell> "some files"
[02:50] <apachelogger> I insist on not listing them :P
[02:52] <ScottK> I think it's be better to list them since it's only two, but I won't not upload it over that.
[02:54] <apachelogger> I'm actually counting 5
[02:54] <apachelogger> +1 which partly includes LGPL code
[02:54] <ScottK> OK.
[02:54] <ScottK> My greppage must have been inferior then.
[02:54] <apachelogger> acinclude.m4.in conf.change.pl doxygen.sh config.pl configure.in.min oldinclude.m4.in
[02:55] <ScottK> I found the partly one.  That was interesting.
[02:55] <manchicken> this is strange.  I can build adept from the src-deb in the repos just fine... but the one in lp/~jr won't build.
[02:55] <apachelogger> so we can stick with the "various files"?
[02:55] <ScottK> As I said, I won't not upload over it.
[02:55] <ScottK> You do need to mention the other license though.
[02:55] <apachelogger> ScottK: other license?
[02:56] <Riddell> manchicken: what won't build about it?
[02:56] <manchicken>  /usr/include/ept/debtags/vocabulary.h:28:36: error: tagcoll/diskindex/mmap.h: No such file or directory
[02:56] <ScottK> The one I pastebinned you.
[02:56] <apachelogger> ScottK: wasn't that GPL?
[02:56] <manchicken> Then several other missing headers with tagcoll in the directory nm.
[02:56] <ScottK> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31388 - Explicitly NOT GPL.
[02:57] <apachelogger> ok
[02:57] <Riddell> manchicken: make sure you have all the build-deps installed and run  make -f debian/rules buildprep
[02:57] <apachelogger> now I need painkillers
[02:57] <ScottK> All the easy stuff was already packaged.
[02:59] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Pinentry got cleared up in the mass giveback and built, so that's one thing off my list.
[02:59] <Hobbsee> ScottK: great :)
[03:00] <mhb> manchicken: can't that be related to the fact that there are two tagcolls?
[03:00] <manchicken> mhb: Not if I can build the deb-src in the repos, but not the bzr branch.
[03:01] <manchicken> Riddell: Yeah, I'm still getting these errors even after all of that.
[03:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: done
[03:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyo I'll probably do ktorrent tomorrow, as well as kdelibs, I'll be at home for my contrib day
[03:01] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/2044 sounds properly?
[03:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'll look.  What I came up with was http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31392/
[03:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: hard to do the promissed work yesterday as I had a problem with my car
[03:02] <Riddell> manchicken: make sure you have the right tagcoll{,2}-dev installed and make sure the wrong one is not installed
[03:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: No, that is a license, just an odd one.
[03:02] <Riddell> before running buildprep
[03:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: ok ^_^
[03:03] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/2045
[03:03] <manchicken> Riddell: I've got both.
[03:03] <apachelogger> oh!
[03:03] <manchicken> Which is the wrong one?
[03:03] <apachelogger> missing white space :D
[03:03] <Riddell> manchicken: whichever one isn't in the build-depends
[03:04] <Tonio_> ryanakca: testing and uploading your ktorrent
[03:04] <Tonio_> ryanakca: and please, insult those guys requesting for package update on launchpad next time :)
[03:04] <ScottK> apachelogger: Except for islicensed -> is licensed, yes.
[03:04] <Tonio_> ryanakca: if they want it they can do it, and closing those stupid bugs makes packaging longuer....... drives me nuts
[03:05] <manchicken> Riddell: There is no mention of "tagcoll" anywhere in the debian directory
[03:05] <manchicken> Riddell: It's all a dependency from libept it seems.
[03:06] <Riddell> manchicken: whichever one that needs then
[03:07] <manchicken> Looks like that one needs libtagcoll2-dev
[03:07] <manchicken> Removing libtagcoll-dev...
[03:07] <manchicken> I just don't get why the deb-src builds without any issues, and the branch has the problem...
[03:08] <Riddell> manchicken: probably it didn't do buildprep with the wrong ones installed
[03:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6191
[03:10] <ScottK> apachelogger: Lets go for that.  If it builds, I'll upload it.
[03:13] <apachelogger> arrr :)
[03:15] <ScottK> apachelogger: This is the first thing I've built today, so I'm updating my pbuilder first.  It'll likely be a little while.
[03:16] <apachelogger> ScottK: yeah, you can get some other packages to revu, if you want to ;-)
[03:16] <apachelogger> <-- packaging monster
[03:17] <apachelogger> actually I have about 20 packages scheduled for gutsy+1
[03:17] <apachelogger> ^_^
[03:19] <apachelogger> kwwii: will I get artwork for kio-sysinfo for gutsy, or do I have to use the suse one? ... well, unsusefied suse artwork that would be :P
[03:21] <apachelogger> hm
[03:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: just like you :P
[03:25] <manchicken> Riddell: Is that medisoncelebrity.com really a scam?
[03:27] <manchicken> And this thing, even using ./debian/rules buildprep && ./debian/rules build is still not building.  Same problem.
[03:28] <Riddell> manchicken: is adept from bzr the same version as in the archive?
[03:28] <Riddell> manchicken: according to slashdot it is, and they're never wrong
[03:28] <manchicken> I'm seriously doubting t.
[03:28] <manchicken> it*
[03:28] <manchicken> As the adept from the archive actually builds, whereas this one does not.
[03:28] <manchicken> Even if I buildprep on it, it still builds.
[03:29] <kwwii> apachelogger: screenshot? perhaps if I find some time, or it is really easy we can get something done
[03:37] <Tonio_> siretart: just saw you had to add the vpn-properties patch again.....
[03:37] <ScottK> Tonio_: Hello.
[03:37] <Tonio_> siretart: wasn't this sync on bzr ? I sent the patch to asac, so that we would fix this once and for all....
[03:37] <ScottK> Have you a moment to discuss Klamav
[03:38] <siretart> Tonio_: well, you moved it back to /usr/lib leaving the gnome-applet broken for over a week. so I went and added the patch back
[03:38] <Tonio_> siretart: I sent both the applet patch and the network-manager changes to install the binary under /usr/share, so I don't understand why only one of them reached the repos...
[03:38] <ScottK> apachelogger: Uploaded.
[03:38] <Tonio_> siretart: nope, as I said, I did the 2 required changes, sending them to asac for bzr inclusion, telling him he'd have to release the 2 packages....
[03:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: thanks
[03:38] <Tonio_> siretart: that's why I don't understand
[03:39] <Tonio_> siretart: there was changes on the network-manager package, and indeed a patch to add back to the applet package.....
[03:39] <siretart> Tonio_: binaries must not be installed in usr/share. atm it is in /usr/lib/network-manager/nm-vpn-properties
[03:39] <Tonio_> siretart: well sorry for the issue, but I must say I don't understand that mess :)
[03:39] <Tonio_> siretart: right, probably it was /usr/lib, you're right on that point :)
[03:39] <siretart> Tonio_: no problem. I just fixed a bug. there was even an lp bug open about it
[03:40] <Tonio_> siretart: let's hope it is on bzr this time as I requested, otherwise next upload will remove the patch again.......
[03:40] <apachelogger> kwwii: basically I'd just need a background image, then I probably can do some css magic and it's done http://aplg.kollide.net/images/tmp022.png http://aplg.kollide.net/images/tmp023.png
[03:40] <Tonio_> siretart: did you check the network-manager-applet bzr branch ?
[03:40] <Tonio_> siretart: probably there is the issue
[03:40] <siretart> no, I didn't
[03:41] <siretart> it would have been nice if it contained a XS-Vcs-Bzr tag
[03:41] <Tonio_> oki, we shoudl ping asac on that point
[03:41] <Tonio_> siretart: true, I suspect that's asac work, I may not even have access to the bzr branch in fact....
[03:42] <Tonio_> siretart: I'll try to ping asac tomorrow concerning this, to unsure the branch is up to date and avoid breaking the applet again...
[03:42] <siretart> Tonio_: where is the network-manager-applet bzr branch? I don't see it on https://code.launchpad.net/network-manager/+branches
[03:42] <Tonio_> siretart: I don't want to really maintain this package as I don't use it in fact
[03:42] <kwwii> apachelogger: I guess we could use something based on the new wallpaper
[03:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: can't you just take the new kubuntu wallpaper and crop it to fit?
[03:43] <siretart> Tonio_: you are in the maintainer field, after all
[03:43] <Tonio_> siretart: it is a separate package afaik
[03:43] <siretart> Tonio_: yes, I know, but where is the branch?
[03:43] <Tonio_> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/network-manager/gnome.ubuntu.0.6.x
[03:43] <Tonio_> siretart: there is it
[03:43] <siretart> ah, thanks
[03:43] <Tonio_> siretart: as you can see my changes are in it
[03:43] <Tonio_> siretart: so the issue is a human error, someone removed it manually it seems
[03:44] <Tonio_> siretart: seb128 didn't merge his changes too
[03:44] <Tonio_> and I couldn't remember but I have access to this ;)
[03:44] <Tonio_> siretart: would be nice to commit your latest changes maybe.... :)
[03:45] <Tonio_> siretart: he probably missed this because of the missing  XS-Vcs-Bzr tag in fact :) that explains everything
[03:45] <siretart> perhaps I should upload ubuntu7 with just the XS-VCS-Bzr tag
[03:45] <Tonio_> siretart: my changes have never been released as a package, everyone used the old one
[03:45] <Tonio_> siretart: true, add the tag and commit bzr so that the problem is resolved once and for all
[03:46] <Tonio_> siretart: cause if we don't the problem will be back again and again...
[03:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: that looks silly when you just got konqui on the desktop, not in fullscreen, and you're on the sysinfo page
[03:48] <siretart> Tonio_: WTF is this? just a debian/ directory and nothing else?
[03:48] <apachelogger> kwwii: based on the wallpaper sounds good though
[03:48] <Tonio_> siretart: true
[03:49] <Tonio_> siretart: that's the way we generally do btw, just sync debian/ with the package
[03:49] <Tonio_> siretart: I just did as asac initiated the branch :) I'm not responsible for it, but that's the way I would also do it
[03:49] <Tonio_> siretart: what is the problem with this ?
[03:49] <manchicken> Riddell: Yeah, just a quick look at the control files shows that your bzr tree is pretty out of date.  The archive deb-src is requiring a version of debtags >= 1.6.1 and your control file is also missing a lot of dependencies in the control file that is in the archive has.
[03:50] <siretart> Tonio_: how do you build the package? if you copy the source in, you'll get tons of 'unknown files'
[03:50] <siretart> Tonio_: that's ugly and error prone. why not just versioning the contents of the debian/ dir? why the debian dir itself?
[03:51] <Riddell> manchicken: ok, sorry about that, I'll merge it when I get a chance, just work from the version in the archive then
[03:51] <manchicken> Righto.  Not a problem.  All of those patches I mentioned before in the bug reports were based off of the archive version and not off of the bzr branch, just to clarify.
[03:52] <manchicken> And I would apply them in the order of the details button bug, the proxy fix, and the dpkg lock fix as I wrote them in that order... that might help avoid conflicts.
[03:58] <siretart> Tonio_: pushed and uploaded
[03:59] <Tonio_> siretart: you rock :)
[04:02] <Riddell> edubuntu-desktop-kde uploaded
[04:02] <ScottK> Tonio_: Maybe a minute now on klamav?
[04:02] <ScottK> I wanted to discuss the patch you did on disabling updates.
[04:02] <ScottK> Also there's a new upstream version.
[04:03] <kwwii> apachelogger: cool, I am sure that we can get something in, might take a bit as I am quite overloaded with work atm
[04:04] <apachelogger> kwwii: well, one week before upstream version freeze should be ok
[04:05] <apachelogger> freeze is on 16th, isn't it?
[04:05] <kwwii> good question, I have no idea
[04:05] <apachelogger> Lord Riddell knows
[04:05] <apachelogger> oh actually
[04:05] <Riddell> it's not an upstream version change
[04:05] <apachelogger> what is it then?
[04:05] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[04:06] <Riddell> an artwork change
[04:06] <apachelogger> hm
[04:06] <apachelogger> now
[04:06] <Riddell> GutsyArtworkFinalDeadline September 20th
[04:07] <apachelogger> oh, cool
[04:07] <apachelogger> so I'll upload current version to revu ASAP
[04:07] <Riddell> sure
[04:07] <apachelogger> Riddell, Tonio_: btw, did one of you actually had a look at the konquerorrc patch I sent?
[04:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: no, I've been meaning to do that for ages
[04:08] <Riddell> maybe I should just do it now
[04:09] <apachelogger> hehe
[04:21] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I missed that one too, sorry for this.....
[04:24] <apachelogger> Tonio_: no problem
[04:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: I don't think we can make your change...
[04:29] <Riddell> the reason we have a non-standard /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc is because of a bug in xmlgui thingy
[04:30] <Riddell> where it should load /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc but doesn't
[04:30] <Riddell> when you're launching konqueror as part of a restored session
[04:30] <apachelogger> :|
[04:30] <Riddell> but k-d-s konqueror.rc and kdebase konqueror.rc should be the same
[04:30] <Riddell> but they're quite different
[04:31] <apachelogger> on the other hand I hate all bugs ;-)
[04:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, thanks for looking into it
[04:32] <ryanakca> Tonio_: okies. Where should I put it then? revu?
[04:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: I just tried to recreate the bug but I can't
[04:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: maybe we should try removing the kdebase non-standard konqueror.rc and seeing if the bug is still there for people
[04:33] <apachelogger> hm
[04:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: sounds like a good idea
[04:34] <apachelogger> alpha stage is perfect for this kind of stuff, isn't it?
[04:34] <Riddell> yes
[04:36] <Tm_P> apachelogger: water <3
[04:38] <Tonio_> ryanakca: already uploaded
[04:43] <ryanakca> Tonio_: no, but for the future?
[04:52] <Riddell> does anyone use bzr-buildpackage?
[04:53] <Riddell> each time I look at the wiki page I give up knowing that it'll be easier for now just to do it manually
[04:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i find it doesnt work.  use bzr export to export the debian, then build from that
[04:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: but then I can't commit back
[04:54] <ScottK> With svn I just copy any files I change after the export back with cp and svn picks up they've changed.
[04:55] <Riddell> that's what I'm doing, but it's error prone
[04:55] <ScottK> True.
[04:55] <Riddell> and it's noticably more work that not having to do anything in bzr
[04:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm unsure what the best way is.  i tend to commit first, then export & build
[04:56] <Hobbsee> this is true.  there should be a saner way
[04:56] <mhb> should someone (me) take a look at it?
[04:56] <mhb> if it's in python, we can fix it :o)
[04:56] <ScottK> I find I have to be really careful, but it's less scary for me that the svn-inject stuff.
[04:56] <Riddell> mhb: aren't you busy with restricted-manager?
[04:57] <ScottK> And the Konsole/Python-kde3 bug...
[04:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: uploaded kdebase without our konqueror.rc, let's see if it breaks anything
[04:57] <mhb> ScottK: that was yours :o)
[04:57] <ScottK> It was mine as long it was a Python thing.  I'm still convinced it's in Konsole somewhere.
[04:57] <mhb> Riddell: pretty much, yes. Well, someone else can take a look at it, there's plenty of fellows knowing python.
[04:58] <ScottK> Someone who understands C stuff ought to look at that last diff I posted.
[04:58] <Riddell> ScottK: posted where?
[04:59] <ScottK> Riddell: Last comment in Bug 117731 - That looks like more pty code that is substantially different in edgy-updates.
[04:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117731 in python-kde3 "Python crashes after attaching pty to a konsole kpart" [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117731
[05:09] <Tonio_> ryanakca: for the future, well I may do the package myself, or otherwise, just ping me if you id it
[05:11] <ryanakca> Tonio_: no.. Where should I stick it up on future occasions?
[05:12] <Tonio_> ryanakca: then revu is the place
[05:12] <ScottK> Tonio_: Any objection if I go ahead and update klamav to the new version?
[05:14] <Tonio_> ScottK: please do :)
[05:14] <Tonio_> ScottK: just be sure to add all my patches to it
[05:14] <Tonio_> ScottK: they are not sync upstream yet
[05:15] <ScottK> OK.  Well I wanted to talk about the no updates patch.
[05:15] <ScottK> We've added all kinds of ways (e.g. gdebi) for people to easy install stuff outside the packaging system.
[05:15] <ScottK> This one seems harmless and people always whine about the "Your clamav is out of date" warnings.
[05:15] <Tonio_> ScottK: yeah but always in the form of debian packages
[05:16] <Tonio_> ScottK: which klamav doesn't
[05:16] <ScottK> There's also the zero-install-injector package.
[05:16] <Tonio_> I mean the fact that the program autoupdates itself
[05:16] <ScottK> Or some such thing
[05:16] <ScottK> Right.
[05:16] <Tonio_> I don't have any problem with virus database update
[05:16] <Tonio_> just the fact that it autoupdates
[05:16] <Tonio_> can cause issues
[05:16] <ScottK> In this case it just does it for the user that updates it and doesn't interfere with the packaged version.
[05:16] <Tonio_> especially since a user may not be root on his machine
[05:17] <ScottK> Yes.  That's why it installs it in ~/
[05:17] <Tonio_> ScottK: yep but that sounds crackefull for the user
[05:17] <Tonio_> ScottK: I know, but in any case a user might not understand the way it works
[05:17] <ScottK> It's not ideal I agree.
[05:17] <Tonio_> I mean the strengh of ubuntu is the packaging system
[05:17] <ScottK> Agreed.
[05:17] <ScottK> I think clamav is kind of a special case.
[05:17] <Tonio_> do we want it like windows were any program updates itself it's own way ? I don't think so :)
[05:18] <ScottK> I don't either.
[05:18] <Tonio_> ScottK: well we have to be up to date with the package
[05:18] <Tonio_> that's my point :)
[05:18] <ScottK> Sure.
[05:18] <Tonio_> I would prefer that the patch stays if you don't mind
[05:19] <Tonio_> ScottK: btw we can discuss that further during the next ubuntu meeting, others' opinion would be interesting
[05:19] <ScottK> Would you be up for document all the risks and leave it up to the user (they'll need doc on how to install the build-deps anyway.
[05:19] <ScottK> OK.
[05:19] <ScottK> BTW, the Feisty version doesn't have your patch (don't look at me), so this will be a regression in some people's eyes.
[05:20] <Tonio_> ScottK: why would they ?
[05:20] <Tonio_> ScottK: they should just use dist-upgrade
[05:20] <Tonio_> ScottK: I would say that it's different for clamav
[05:20] <ScottK> Sure, once Gutsy is release.
[05:20] <Tonio_> ScottK: we can submit backports then
[05:20] <Tonio_> ScottK: and someone has to care care of them
[05:20] <ScottK> True.
[05:21] <Tonio_> ScottK: there i a clamav launchpad team afaik
[05:21] <Tonio_> ScottK: would be interesting asking them
[05:21] <ScottK> Yes and guess who is it's admin?
[05:21] <Tonio_> btw I have to leave the computer :)
[05:21] <Tonio_> ScottK: who is ?
[05:21] <ScottK> Me
[05:21] <Tonio_> ScottK: haha :)
[05:22] <ScottK> We can discuss later.
[05:22] <Tonio_> ok so let's rediscuss this later
[05:22] <ScottK> OK
[05:22] <Tonio_> ScottK: I wouldn't have any objection except I must say I'm not that a fan of apps autopdating them
[05:22] <Tonio_> ScottK: especially since the autoupdate would ignore patches
[05:22] <ScottK> Well that's a very good point.
[05:22] <Tonio_> ScottK: translations, etc...... can create lots of issues reguarding to the user
[05:23] <Tonio_> ScottK: but let's rediscuss this later :)
[05:23] <ScottK> OK.  We can discuss more later, but I'm thinking auto-update clamav, but not klamav is a sensible approach.
[05:24] <Tonio_> ScottK: that's different for clamav indeed, as nes engine can be required sometime
[05:24] <Tonio_> ScottK: but imho that should be done via backports
[05:25] <ScottK> Makes sense.  If I get time to update it, I'll take a look at the documentation that goes with klamav and see if I can explain it sensibly.
[05:27] <Tonio_> sure, and as I said, we should rediscuss this to be sure to go in the right direction
[05:28] <ScottK> Yes
[05:37] <manchicken> I'm torn between quanta+ and kate.
[05:37] <manchicken> The editor is the same, but Quanta+ has the tree-view file browser, and the tabbed editor.
[05:37] <manchicken> Quanta+ also has snippets, thought I think Kate has those, too.
[05:38] <ScottK> How does the $NOT_CRASH feature work on Quanta+?
[05:39] <manchicken> About as well as it works in kate :)
[05:39] <manchicken> No, I take that back.
[05:39] <ScottK> OK.  I don't think I've ever had KATE crash on me.
[05:39] <manchicken> Quanta+ is less stable than Kate.
[05:39] <manchicken> I have.
[05:39] <manchicken> But I leave Kate up all the time.
[05:40] <manchicken> If Kate had a tree-view for the file browser, or at least a working plugin that gave me that, there'd be no contest.
[05:40] <ScottK> For me, more stable is a BIG incentive.
[05:40] <manchicken> The in-editor file-browser for Kate is just horrible.
[05:40] <manchicken> For me, being able to walk file trees quickly is more important.
[05:41] <manchicken> Ooh, and do you know the hotkey to switch buffers in Kate?
[05:42] <manchicken> I don't think there is one.
[05:42] <manchicken> Whereas quanta+ has the imperfect but functional Ctrl+Tab
[05:44] <manchicken> I think I may just go back to Emacs with tramp-mode.
[05:44] <manchicken> Sweet.  Emacs22 is in repos :)
[05:46] <ScottK> Well that explains a lot.
[05:46] <ScottK> ;-)
[05:47] <Hobbsee> can someone qualified look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/75149 please?
[05:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 75149 in kdepim "Palm TX connecting on USB does not have consistent device name" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[05:47] <manchicken> Hobbsee: That's interesting :)
[05:48] <manchicken> Hobbsee: The folks in #kpilot have been talking to me about my Treo issue, and they said they're working on some issues caused by the new version of their pilot syncing dependency.
[05:48] <Hobbsee> right
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Go emacs :-)
[05:50] <manchicken> Aww, emacs22, you have disappointed me...
[05:50] <DaSkreech> !Hobbsee
[05:50] <ubotu> I phear the stick so shhhhh
[05:50] <manchicken> Isn't emacs22 where we're supposed to have fuzzy-fonts?
[05:51] <Hobbsee> ScottK: do me a favour and push https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/57129 through please :)
[05:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 57129 in kdepim "SRU required:  [dapper]  Can't make imap folder" [High,Confirmed] 
[05:53] <ScottK> Hobbsee: What do you want me to do?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> ScottK: get the SRU done?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> oh wait, you're not a core dev. dammit
[05:54] <ScottK> Yeah.
[05:54] <ScottK> You should find one of those to do it ;-)
[05:55] <ScottK> Hobbsee: While you're at it, maybe you could look at the SRU proposed in Bug #96586?
[05:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 96586 in inkscape "Correct multiple inkscape issues in Feisty (SRU and Backport)" [Low,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96586
[05:55] <Hobbsee> i'm so not
[05:56] <ScottK> OK.  I can understand that, particularly in Main.
[06:21] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, main makes it worse
[06:25] <ScottK> Actually Universe SRUs are pretty easy these days.
[07:21] <manchicken> kmixer does a piss-poor job of saving volume settings on exit.
[07:21] <manchicken> Every time I log into KDE I have to turn down my primary volume, and unmute the microphone again.
[07:22] <DaSkreech> I don't think it save it at all
[07:22] <manchicken> It really should.
[07:22] <DaSkreech> I just set all my music stuff around the default
[07:22] <ScottK> manchicken: Did you see crimsun's post to ubuntu-devel on those issues.  I don't think it's kmixer's fault.
[07:23] <manchicken> No?
[07:23] <manchicken> Is it the ALSA mixer or something?
[07:24] <ScottK> Something.
[07:24] <ScottK> I don't recall the specifics.
[08:01] <DaSkreech> New Speedcrunch
[08:07] <Riddell> ooh?
[08:08] <jjesse> version .8 correct?
[08:08] <jjesse> i'm trying to finalize the doc for .9
[08:09] <Riddell> DaSkreech: fancy packaging it?
[08:09] <Riddell> yes, seems to be 0.8 http://code.google.com/p/speedcrunch/
[08:09] <jjesse> wouldn't that get packaged first in debian?
[08:10] <Riddell> maybe, we don't tend to rely on debian though
[08:10] <jjesse> oh
[08:19] <ScottK> jjesse: You could always package it for Debian.
[08:26] <jjesse> ScottK: ummm no it would be really ugly
[08:26] <ScottK> Why?
[08:26] <jjesse> ScottK: cause i don't have the time or know how
[08:26] <ScottK> Ah.
[08:26] <ScottK> That'd do it.
[08:58] <jhutchins> Riddell: ping.
[09:05] <Riddell> hi jhutchins
[09:06] <Riddell> jhutchins: you said something about a factoid?
[09:06] <jhutchins> Ja, could we link !sk to the !cz factoid?
[09:06] <Riddell> !cz
[09:06] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[09:06] <Riddell> !sk
[09:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:06] <Riddell> I can never remember how to update ubotu, fdoving did a good job of it the other day
[09:07] <jhutchins> k, I'll bug him next time I see him around.
[09:07] <Riddell> jhutchins: can you pastebin what you think it should say?
[09:09] <jhutchins> Riddell: Well, ubuntu-cz (Czeck) was the best thing we could come up with for a Slovakian (sk) user earlier today.
[09:09] <jhutchins> For all i know it could be an insult though.
[09:12] <ScottK> jhutchins: I would suspect it would be.  They didn't randomly split into two countries.
[09:13] <jhutchins> Yeah, the more I think on it, the less I like the idea.
[09:13] <jhutchins> Hadn't had coffee yet then.
[09:18] <mhb> no
[09:19] <mhb> it's not an insult
[09:19] <mhb> AFAIK we share that channel
[09:19] <mhb> and gladly
[09:23] <DaSkreech> :-)
[09:30] <ScottK> Ah.  Good to know mhb.
[09:31] <Riddell> mhb: able to provide suitable entries for !sk and !cz then?
[09:32] <Riddell> we do have a kubuntu.sk website that should be there
[09:33] <mhb> Riddell: I can't speak slovak, but I'll ask someone for a suitable line
[09:33] <mhb> give me a minute
[09:37] <DaSkreech> !pt
[09:37] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[09:53] <mhb> Slovenskch uivateov iadame, aby na kanly #ubuntu rozprvali anglicky. Slovensky alebo esky se mete dohovori na kanle #ubuntu-cz.
[09:55] <mhb> ^^ a Slovak equivalent of the Czech sentence for the !sk info.
[09:55] <mhb> Riddell: kubuntu.sk is not mentioned but I think every kubuntu user in slovakia knows the page.
[10:06] <fabo> Riddell: strigi 0.5.4 tagged, i will update debian package and sync with ubuntu.
[10:15] <DaSkreech> !pl
[10:15] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[10:15] <DaSkreech> What's the thing for the Philipenes?
[11:08] <wewek> hello
[11:08] <wewek> mhb: tak jsem tady ;)
[11:26] <Riddell> mhb: can you pastebin that, my terminal doesn't do utf 8
[11:26] <Riddell> fabo: excellent
[11:26] <Riddell> fabo: I hope it's more stable than my snapshot
[11:31] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Use the ISO country codes.
[11:35] <mhb> Riddell: shame on your terminal :o)
[11:35] <mhb> Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/635141
[11:51] <nixternal> howdy folks!
[11:56] <DaSkreech> !nixternal
[11:56] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[11:59] <nixternal> ummm NO!
[11:59] <DaSkreech> Right
[12:00] <DaSkreech> Oh NO