[04:47] <LaserJock> you might have to ask the LP admins
[04:48] <LaserJock> DARKGuy: what do you need to get rid of specifically?
[04:49] <DARKGuy> LaserJock: a blueprint and a serie
[04:50] <LaserJock> a series?
[04:50] <DARKGuy> yeah
[04:50] <DARKGuy> I accidentally made a new one when trunk was already created, and I created it with the same settings
[04:50] <DARKGuy> so it's like, duplicated and confusing for new users
[04:50] <LaserJock> hmm, a blueprint you can just mark as obsoleted
[04:50] <DARKGuy> and will it be hidden ?
[04:51] <LaserJock> yes
[04:51] <DARKGuy> cool! that works
[04:51] <DARKGuy> what about the series ?
[04:51] <LaserJock> that I'm not sure about
[04:52] <DARKGuy> Oh well
[04:52] <DARKGuy> thanks for the tip though :D
[04:52] <LaserJock> you could as launchpad-users mailing list
[04:53] <LaserJock> *ask
[04:53] <DARKGuy> yeah, been thinking about that too
[04:53] <DARKGuy> one more thing though, is there a way to create a "group" of users, similar to the Launchpad Admins thing?
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #128437 in launchpad-bazaar "Update the code homepage" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128437
[04:56] <LaserJock> DARKGuy: a team?
[04:56] <kiko-fud> DARKGuy, yes, a team :)
[04:56] <adamorjames> yes a team
[04:56] <kiko-fud> see launchpad.net/people
[04:59] <LaserJock> yikes, display name and title are a bit confusing when registering a product :-)
[04:59] <DARKGuy> yeah xD
[04:59] <adamorjames> DARKGuy pming you..
[05:00] <DARKGuy> cool, will look at that link, thanks kiko-fud, LaserJock 
[05:00] <DARKGuy> adamorjames: ok
[05:04] <LaserJock> jml: hmm, for branching drupal's vcs-import it took me 13 min for http:// and 18 min for bzr+ssh://
[05:06] <jml> LaserJock: interesting.
[05:33] <lifeless> jamesh: ping
[05:34] <jamesh> lifeless: pong
[05:34] <lifeless> can you please allocate reviews? I'm still running a mild fever; I'm going to go soon
[05:34] <lifeless> mild means 'can think about one thing at a time; slowly;'
[05:38] <jamesh> okay
[05:42] <lifeless> jamesh: thank you
[05:42] <lifeless> I am mending fast now, should be fully on deck Monday
[05:42] <lifeless> instead of this partial day crapola
[05:43] <jamesh> hopefully you won't be feeling shit all weekend
[05:43] <lifeless> indeed
[05:44] <lifeless> I hope very much to be only 'under the weather' by then
[05:44] <lifeless> its the coughing that really takes the cake though
[05:44] <lifeless> hard to think while trying to project a bark around the neighbourhood
[06:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[06:35] <YahooNet> F:\My Data\Tools Hack
[07:06] <mpt> No, mIRC is not Windows Explorer
[07:06] <Hobbsee> morning mpt
[07:07] <mpt> hi Hobbsee 
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #128462 in malone "Launchpad bug titles should have the description first" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128462
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #128486 in launchpad "Home page help panel text update" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128486
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #128519 in soyuz "The queue tool sends announcement emails with "INVALID" as the distro name" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128519
[04:01] <matsubara> meeting time/
[04:01] <mrevell> me
[04:01] <matsubara> ?
[04:01] <mpt> SteveA ?
[04:01] <carlos> matsubara: should be
[04:01] <ddaa> Us...
[04:01] <ddaa> ... and Them
[04:02] <Hobbsee> heh, not much interest in a LP meeting
[04:02] <ddaa> o/` Pink Floyd o/`
[04:02] <mpt> Don't make me use my plastic gavel again
[04:02] <barry> careful with that ax
[04:02] <mpt> It's not nearly as good as a real one
[04:02] <salgado> me
[04:02] <mrevell> Eugene
[04:02] <mpt> Dupree
[04:02] <mrevell> and me
[04:02] <intellectronica> me
[04:02] <jamesh> me
[04:02] <mthaddon> ME
[04:02] <mrevell> moi
[04:02] <sinzui> me
[04:02] <bac> me
[04:03] <adeuring> me
[04:03] <barry> me
[04:03] <matsubara> me
[04:03] <danilos> 
[04:03] <gmb> me
[04:03] <bigjools> we're me-ing then?  I didn't see a roll-call yet :)
[04:03] <statik> me
[04:03] <ddaa> me
[04:03] <jsk> me
[04:03] <EdwinGrubbs> mi
[04:03] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[04:04] <mrevell> bigjools: It's the call of the Less Spotted Launchpader
[04:04] <mpt> carlos, would you like to chair today?
[04:04] <stub> me
[04:04] <bigjools> mrevell: unless you're as freckly as me
[04:04] <Rinchen> me
[04:04] <carlos> mpt: I would like, but.... 
[04:04] <carlos> need to go to somewhere else..
[04:05] <jtv> carlos is lying
[04:05] <Rinchen> kiko will not be here today.
[04:05] <bigjools> mrevell: did you get your mic back BTW?
[04:05] <carlos> mpt: I like how do you do it :-P
[04:05] <Rinchen> Steve may in fact be on an airplane
[04:05] <mpt> alas
[04:05] <Rinchen> mpt, you're nominated.
[04:05] <mrevell> bigjools: Not yet, I think Jono has been on several continents but not back in Wolves much.
[04:05] <mpt> alas twicely
[04:05] <mpt> ok, MEETING TIME\
[04:05] <mpt> and also MEETING TIME
[04:06] <mpt> For the next half hour or so, we'll be discussing Launchpad development
[04:06] <mpt> Who is here today, who hasn't already said "me" in the past 6 minutes?
[04:06] <bigjools> me
[04:06] <danilos> me
[04:06] <BjornT> me
[04:06] <mrevell> me
[04:06] <jtv> me
[04:06] <carlos> me
[04:06] <mthaddon> me
[04:06] <salgado> me
[04:06] <Rinchen> ^^
[04:06] <barry> me already meed
[04:07] <Hobbsee> me again anyway
[04:07] <mpt> hi Hobbsee :-)
[04:07] <intellectronica> me again
[04:07] <Hobbsee> heya mpt :)
[04:07] <mwhudson> me
[04:07] <cprov> me
[04:07] <Hobbsee> one can never me too many times, surely!  :P
[04:07] <bigjools> Remember, there's no I in team.   But there is a me.
[04:07] <mpt> ok, any apologies or people representing other people?
[04:08] <ddaa> me too
[04:08] <ddaa> me too
[04:08] <ddaa> yes one can
[04:08] <Rinchen> apologies sent by kiko
[04:08] <BjornT> allenap is on vacation
[04:08] <carlos> jtv: dude, get dressed!!
[04:08] <adeuring> schwuk in on vacation
[04:08] <sinzui> flacoste is on vacation.
[04:09] <Rinchen> mpt wishes he was on vacation.
[04:09] <mpt> == Agenda ==
[04:09] <mpt> 
[04:09] <mpt>  * Next meeting
[04:09] <mpt>  * Actions from last meeting
[04:09] <mpt>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[04:09] <mpt>  * Critical Bugs (Rinchen)
[04:09] <mpt>  * Bug tags
[04:09] <mpt>  * Operations report (mthaddon)
[04:09] <mpt>  * DBA report (stub)
[04:09] <mpt>  * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen
[04:09] <mpt>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[04:09] <mpt>  * Blockers
[04:10] <mpt> If you have other item that you forgot to nominate, please /msg me accordingly
[04:10] <mpt> or even other items
[04:10] <mpt> == Next meeting ==
[04:10] <mpt> Anyone knows they will be unable to attend same time next week?
[04:11] <mpt> ... Excellent
[04:12] <mpt> == Actions from last meeting ==
[04:12] <mpt> There were none.
[04:12] <mpt> == Oops report ==
[04:12] <matsubara> Thanks jtv for fixing bug 126975
[04:12] <matsubara> Thanks mwhudson, ddaa and mthaddon for handling OOPS-565D2528
[04:12] <matsubara> Thanks thumper for fixing 127848
[04:12] <matsubara> Thanks kiko and intellectronica for fixing 127073
[04:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126975 in rosetta "TraversalError in translation page" [Critical,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126975 - Assigned to Jeroen T. Vermeulen (jtv)
[04:12] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/565D2528
[04:12] <matsubara> Today's oops report is about bugs 128379, 98614, 116619, 128369
[04:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128379 in launchpad-bazaar "Stale page can cause OOPS while editing branch subscription" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128379 - Assigned to Tim Penhey (thumper)
[04:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 98614 in malone "Edit a bug and add the same tag twice causes oops" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/98614 - Assigned to Edwin Grubbs (edwin-grubbs)
[04:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116619 in blueprint "Oops adding blueprint to a product series or distro series" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116619 - Assigned to Jonathan Knowles (jsk)
[04:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128369 in malone "Missing unique constraint in Bugtracker.base_url" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128369
[04:12] <matsubara> The first three were already taken. Thanks Edwin, thumper and jsk for being proactive and taking those bugs.
[04:12] <matsubara> BjornT, can you assign someone to fix bug 128369?
[04:13] <BjornT> matsubara: yeah
[04:13] <matsubara> and thanks to salgado who is investigating OOPS-571E3738
[04:13] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/571E3738
[04:13] <matsubara> all right, I think that's it then. back to you mpt. thanks!
[04:13] <mpt> thanks matsubara 
[04:13] <mpt> == Critical bugs ==
[04:14] <Rinchen> We seem to have had a few bugs marked as critical in the past week. I have a few questions (of course) on some.
[04:14] <Rinchen> Bug #98614 Edwin, Have you had a chance to start it yet? If so, please update the status sometime today.
[04:14] <Rinchen> I broke ubotu
[04:14] <mpt> ubotu, bug 98614
[04:14] <Rinchen> Bug #127004 salgado, is this really a critical bug? Have you had a chance to start it yet? If so, please update the status sometime today.
[04:14] <ubotu> Bug 127004 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/127004 is private
[04:15] <Rinchen> bug #98614 
[04:15] <Rinchen> Bug #128335 abel, how goes with this one? Have you had a chance to start it yet? If so, please update the status sometime today.
[04:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128335 in malone "Bug omitted from search results if targeted to a milestone" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128335 - Assigned to abel (adeuring)
[04:15] <jtv> bug 98614
[04:15] <salgado> Rinchen, it's critical for 1.1.9.
[04:15] <danilos> Bug #98614, first reported on 2007-03-29  by Diogo Matsubara
[04:15] <danilos> Edit a bug and add the same tag twice causes oops
[04:15] <adeuring> I think that I'll have it fixed today.
[04:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 98614 in malone "Edit a bug and add the same tag twice causes oops" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/98614 - Assigned to Edwin Grubbs (edwin-grubbs)
[04:15] <carlos> seems like ubotu doesn't like bug #98614...
[04:15] <Rinchen> danilos has the magic touch
[04:15] <statik> Rinchen: 98614 is in review, just needs a status update
[04:15] <jtv> For the "apologies" section: ubotu was late today, but Danilos stood in
[04:16] <mpt> You're so quick to blame ubotu, maybe it was Launchpad that was slow
[04:16] <Rinchen> Great, thanks salgado and adeuring 
[04:16] <Hobbsee> <dont file bugs on ubotu, we cant do anything about it until seveas comes back>
[04:16] <jamesh> but Launchpad is perfect
[04:16] <Rinchen> +1 ;-)
[04:16] <Rinchen> cprov, bigjools - at some point this week (i.e. not now) please send me a *short* email (cc matsubara please) as to how we can prevent Bug #127178 from happening in the future. Specifically, what can be done to detect and prevent this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/127178/comments/1
[04:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127178 in soyuz "change-override.py broken for binary packages" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127178 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)
[04:16] <jamesh> so it must be ubotu
[04:17] <Rinchen> mpt, that's all for me today. 
[04:17] <mpt> thanks Joey
[04:17] <carlos> jamesh: indeed
[04:17] <bigjools> Rinchen: noted
[04:17] <mpt> == Bug tags ==
[04:18] <mpt> The tag "registry" has been proposed
[04:18] <mpt> by matsubara 
[04:18] <matsubara> +1
[04:18] <matsubara> :-)
[04:18] <danilos> matsubara: reasoning?
[04:18] <carlos> what's it supposed to do?
[04:18] <Rinchen> salgado, your comments?
[04:18] <mpt> examples given: bug 127126, bug 117276, bug 67431, and three others
[04:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127126 in malone "Register a product while adding an upstream task" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127126 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)
[04:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117276 in launchpad "Require projects to specify the license of their code" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117276 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)
[04:18] <matsubara> to group bugs related to project and project-group management
[04:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 67431 in malone "Product registrants get bug mail even if Product does not use Malone" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67431
[04:18] <salgado> I'm +1
[04:19] <carlos> isn't that like moving 'rosetta' bugs to 'launchpad' and add a tag for it?
[04:19] <danilos> Are these really related in a sensible way?
[04:19] <Rinchen> Since the London meeting established the need for quite a bit of registry work, and bug will thus be associated with that, I'm +1 as well
[04:19] <salgado> carlos, I'm +1 on your proposal as well, but don't tell anybody
[04:19] <carlos> salgado: :-)
[04:20] <danilos> salgado: then I am +1 on this one :)
[04:20] <mpt> I think the important thing is not so much "is this a clearly defined tag", but "is this a tag that will be useful"
[04:20] <mpt> salgado, would you use this tag in searching for bugs to fix, for example?
[04:20] <salgado> yes, I would
[04:20] <mpt> ok then
[04:21] <salgado> and I think matsubara would as well
[04:21] <danilos> for that, I'd need to know what can it be used for? for any bugs related to product registry details? "check for duplicate product registrations"?
[04:21] <salgado> (since he proposed the tag)
[04:21] <matsubara> danilos: that's the merge products bug, isn't it?
[04:22] <matsubara> which would be a bug tagged with the registry tag.
[04:22] <danilos> matsubara: yeah, depending on how you want to solve the problem
[04:22] <mpt> There are no -1s, and Rinchen is +1, so I declare the tag is approved
[04:22] <danilos> matsubara: ok, then I see the value in the tag and how I can use it
[04:22] <Rinchen> The way I am envisioning this tag be used is during triage and milestone planning. Triage to find the registry bugs and Salgado during milestone planing for his activities. 
[04:22] <matsubara> another use case is RSS feeds for bug tags. that way you'd be notified when someone files a bug with that tag. 
[04:23] <mpt> == Operations report ==
[04:23] <mthaddon> Removed wildcard DNS
[04:23] <mthaddon> Apache front end to LP has been upgraded to 2.2
[04:23] <mthaddon> Edge auto updates had been broken since release, but now fixed (branches had diverged)
[04:23] <mthaddon> Working on app server reconfig (separate server for scripts/cronjobs)
[04:23] <matsubara> thanks mpt 
[04:24] <mthaddon> that's it from me unless there are any questions about Operations
[04:24] <mpt> thank you mthaddon 
[04:24] <mwhudson> i was going to ask what was going on with edge, but you preempted me :)
[04:24] <mthaddon> :)
[04:24] <mpt> == DBA report ==
[04:24] <stub> We will want about 5 hours of database downtime on a weekend to repack the database and change our text search indexes from GIN back to GIST. No announcement has been made yet, so I suspect Sunday week since it is probably too late to announce weekend downtime now (but this Sunday is fine by me if we still want to proceed).
[04:24] <stub> There are now NOT NULL constraints and DEFAULTS on Person.personal_standing, Person.mailing_list_receive_duplicates and Person.mailing_list_auto_subscribe_policy. A backported patch is on my pending-db-changes branch to land next time we open launchpad/devel up for db changes.
[04:24] <stub> Nothing else to report.
[04:25] <salgado> stub, are there not null constraints there?
[04:25] <salgado> ooops, nevermind
[04:25] <salgado> I misread that as account_status
[04:25] <barry> stub: awesome, thanks!
[04:25] <Rinchen> mrevell, please coordinate with stub to develop an announcement.
[04:26] <mrevell> stub: I'll mail you after the meeting
[04:26] <mthaddon> Rinchen: for this Sunday or next?
[04:26] <Rinchen> The timing will need to be approved by kiko or steve.
[04:26] <mthaddon> ah, okay
[04:26] <mpt> thanks stub
[04:26] <mpt> == Sysadmin requests ==
[04:27] <Rinchen> Thanks mrevell
[04:27] <Rinchen> Do anyone have any outstanding RT requests that need attention?
[04:27] <Rinchen> and is there interest in keeping this section during this meeting? We've had a few items recently so perhaps it remains useful
[04:28] <Rinchen> Steve no doubt would like to continue this for a while.
[04:28] <Rinchen> Silence is golden then.  mpt back to you
[04:28] <mpt> Perhaps we could replace this section with RT bugwatches in Launchpad :-)
[04:28] <Rinchen> ha
[04:29] <mwhudson> i have a couple of rts but i can't remember the numbers and they're not urgent
[04:29] <mwhudson> i'll msg you in a bit
[04:29] <mpt> == A top user-affection issue ==
[04:29] <mpt> errrr
[04:29] <mpt> == A top user-affecting issue ==
[04:29] <mthaddon> hmmm, user-affection...
[04:29] <ddaa> that would be the Sydney bug?
[04:29] <mpt> That'll teach me to copy and paste
[04:30] <Rinchen> hush ddaa 
[04:30] <Rinchen> :-)
[04:30] <mpt> mrevell?
[04:30] <mrevell> Ah, sorry, I'm just finding my bits
[04:30] <mrevell> Today, a Launchpad user posted to launchpad-users to describe a problem he encountered when registering a blueprint:
[04:30] <mrevell> "I tried creating a new Blueprint on LaunchPad but I am blind and the first field on that form:
[04:30] <mrevell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/specs/+new
[04:30] <statik> excellent, I was hoping you were going to bring that one up
[04:30] <mrevell> "Where one has to choose which project the Blueprint should be assigned to,
[04:30] <mrevell> is not accessible."
[04:30] <mthaddon> yeah, good one that
[04:30] <mrevell> In this case, I have registered the blueprint for him, at his request. However, can we schedule some work to make that form accessible? If so, I'll re-contact him to get specific details of what made it inaccessible to him.
[04:31] <mrevell> Also, Hobbsee has asked me to raise bug 121828, where the "Launchpad is offline for maintenance" message appears even if maintenance is not the cause of Launchpad being offline. Is this something we can/would like to fix?
[04:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121828 in launchpad "Launchpad says it's "offline for maintenance" when it isn't" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121828
[04:31] <intellectronica> why is this not accessible?
[04:31] <intellectronica> it's just the search functionality that isn't
[04:31] <sinzui> Are the labels borked?
[04:31] <jsk> it's just a text box.
[04:31] <mpt> mrevell, do you know what he/she meant by accessible?
[04:31] <mrevell> intellectronica: I want to get more details from him.
[04:31] <stub> mrevell: Originally, that behavior was considered a feature.
[04:31] <Rinchen> perhaps is the "choose" menu
[04:32] <mrevell> mpt: I assume he's talking about the "choose" box that is, I assume, displayed through JS
[04:32] <statik> that text box is pretty hard to use without being able to search for the project
[04:32] <intellectronica> and that's a popup widget issue, so it's worth fixing (it's all over LP)
[04:32] <mrevell> stub: What do you mean?
[04:32] <stub> mrevell: Now launchpad can recover from outages, that might need rethinking
[04:32] <mpt> ah
[04:32] <mthaddon> I think related to the offline message, if we had more specifics (i.e. it's offline for x reason, expected downtime is y) that might be good too
[04:32] <mrevell> stub: Oh, sorry, the second one. yes, I can understand why it happened that way
[04:32] <Rinchen> mpt, please add this to your wiki page list. I want to explore related items with you at some point
[04:32] <stub> mrevell: When developing launchpad, better for people to see 'down for maintenance' than 'launchpad is a pile of crap'
[04:32] <mpt> Rinchen, my what?
[04:32] <mrevell> stub:  sure :)
[04:33] <mrevell> I think the status page idea would deal with that.
[04:33] <Rinchen> mpt,  your list of usability issue remarks
[04:33] <mpt> Rinchen, oh, it already is
[04:33] <Rinchen> great, thanks
[04:33] <mrevell> As for the accessibility, I'll get more details as to what problem the user encountered.
[04:33] <mrevell> unless you know about it already mpt
[04:33] <ddaa> "Launchpad is burning, pass the bucket over" would be a bit less negative?
[04:33] <mthaddon> perhaps the offline page could link to a page that details recent/upcoming maintenance windows
[04:33] <stub> mrevell: Sure? This dictates the implementation of the status page (it will need to be external to Launchpad, and cache information from the database in case the database is inaccessible)
[04:33] <mwhudson> "this is elmo's mobile phone number, you many want to call it?"
[04:34] <mpt> stub, honesty would be more reassuring
[04:34] <stub> mpt: Now, sure.
[04:34] <mrevell> stub: I've no problem with an off-site status page, but that sort of thing isn't down to me, obviously
[04:34] <stub> Sure. This is like two years after it was setup that way.
[04:34] <stub> We no longer have hourly cherry picks and whatnot.
[04:34] <Hobbsee> stub: then again, if lp gets a reputation for often being down, then people will regard it as an unstable pile of crap.
[04:34] <mthaddon> :)
[04:34] <Hobbsee> stub: or good, but completely unstable, so not worth using.
[04:35] <Hobbsee> stub: pick your poison :)
[04:35] <mrevell> Having used it daily for the past eight or so months, and before that fairly regularly, I reckon our uptime is pretty good
[04:35] <stub> It isn't my call. I'm just explaining the history.
[04:35] <mthaddon> Hobbsee: from where you're standing, is LP down a lot?
[04:35] <Rinchen> mthaddon, are you able to take 121828 for 1.1.8?  
[04:36] <Hobbsee> mthaddon: i havent done great amounts of bugwork recently, but where it's probably down 1/20 pages, as a wild guess...yes, that's a lot.
[04:36] <mthaddon> bug 12828 (just so I can see it)
[04:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 12828 in linux-source-2.6.15 "nForce2 audio device not detected" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12828 - Assigned to Fabio Massimo Di Nitto (fabbione)
[04:36] <stub> mrevell: I don't mean offsite. I mean a cgi someone that continues operating even if the database that stores the status information is unavailable. I think overkill myself.
[04:36] <Rinchen> bug 121828
[04:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121828 in launchpad "Launchpad says it's "offline for maintenance" when it isn't" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121828
[04:36] <mthaddon> ah crap, bug 121828
[04:36] <mrevell> stub: Ah, I see. Right.
[04:36] <mrevell> mthaddon: I'd like to work with you on that, from a comms POV, if no one objects.
[04:36] <mthaddon> Rinchen: sure, I can take that - requires some thinking, but I'll have a crack at it
[04:36] <mthaddon> mrevell: sure
[04:37] <Rinchen> mthaddon, thanks
[04:37] <mpt> thank you mthaddon 
[04:37] <Rinchen> mrevell, approved :-)
[04:37] <mrevell> :)
[04:37] <mpt> and thanks mrevell 
[04:37] <mpt> (and Hobbsee)
[04:37] <Hobbsee> no problem.  hope to see it fixed :)
[04:37] <mthaddon> Hobbsee: it's down 1/20 pages for you? do you mean OOPSes or outages?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> mthaddon: outages - that LP is offline for maintainence
[04:38] <mpt> == Blockers ==
[04:38] <matsubara> TEAM: infrastructure BLOCKED: no
[04:38] <mpt> Teams, please report your blockages or lack thereof
[04:38] <BjornT> TEAM: bug tracker BLOCKED: no
[04:38] <mthaddon> Hobbsee: ok - I think the communication of when there are genuine outages is really needed so we can get more feedback from people if they're seeing the offline page when this site isn't supposed to be down for maintenance - thx for the input
[04:38] <statik> TEAM: commercialization BLOCKED: no
[04:38] <bigjools> TEAM: Soyuz: BLOCKED: no
[04:38] <jtv> TEAM: Translations BLOCKED: no
[04:39] <mpt> TEAM: UI BLOCKED: no
[04:39] <intellectronica> TEAM: blueprint BLOCKED: no
[04:39] <stub> TEAM: beer drinking BLOCKED: hell no
[04:39] <sinzui> TEAM: Answer Tracker: BLOCKED: no
[04:39] <mwhudson> TEAM: launchpad-bazaar BLOCKED: no
[04:39] <salgado> TEAM: Registry: BLOCKED: no
[04:39] <barry> TEAM mailing lists BLOCKED: no
[04:39] <jtv> stub: how do I get out of this chickenshit outfit and into yours?
[04:39] <adeuring> TEAM hawdb: Blocked: No
[04:39] <matsubara> I wanna join stub's team as well
[04:40] <elmo> TEAM pony: BLOCKED: no!
[04:40] <ddaa> jtv: how'd you got into a chickenshit outfit?
[04:40] <jtv> ddaa: too much drink & embarrassing accident at a fancy-dress party
[04:41] <mwhudson> jtv: sounds like stub's team isn't for you then
[04:41] <danilos> stub: shouldn't it be 'drinking beer' (DB) team, not 'BD'?
[04:41] <jtv> mwhudson: you should've _seen_ my workload!
[04:41] <mpt> And with the vision of drunk people in chicken outfits on ponies, our time together comes to a close for another week
[04:41] <mpt> MEETING ENDS
[04:41] <mpt> Thank you everyone
[04:41] <stub> Drinking Beer Allnight
[04:41] <matsubara> thanks mpt 
[04:41] <mwhudson> thank you mpt
[04:41] <jtv> stub: Wish I Was There!
[04:41] <stub> And on that note, there are two parties on tonight with my name on them
[04:42] <stub> jtv: Whole roast pig at cactus, serving started 40 mins ago
[04:42] <mpt> I'm hungry
[04:42] <carlos> mpt: you see? you did a wonderful job, much better than what I could have done :-)
[04:42] <jtv> stub: Damn.  Is the other party TRT?
[04:42] <jtv> stub: have one for me.  You know what I mean.
[04:42] <mpt> carlos, yes, but you'll never improve unless you practise :-)
[04:43] <carlos> mpt: I did it here, just copying & paste your entries in my laptop :-P
[04:43] <mpt> heh
[04:44] <mpt> mrevell, oh, you missed the salient point
[04:44] <mpt> "I am blind and"
[04:44] <mrevell> mpt: erm, let me check
[04:45] <mpt> oh, wait
[04:45] <mpt> *I* missed it
[04:45] <mpt> you did paste it
[04:45] <mrevell> ah :)
[04:45] <mpt> hmmm
[04:45] <mrevell> mpt: Is this somethng we're aware of, as a team, or should I file a bug?
[04:46] <sinzui> mrevell: file it as a bug
[04:46] <intellectronica> mrevell: is this the popup accessibility issue?
[04:46] <mrevell> intellectronica: yeah
[04:46] <intellectronica> let's file a bug and try to come up with a fix - we only need to fix it once for all popus on lp to work correctly
[04:48] <mrevell> ok, I'll file it once I've asked the user exactly what problem he encountered.
[04:49] <mpt> mrevell, we're not aware of it
[04:49] <mpt> and from my past five minutes reading, it's something we'll need to test wherever we use JavaScript
[04:49] <intellectronica> mpt:i think we are, we just need to file a bug and think what to do about it
[04:50] <mpt> intellectronica, well you might be, you're the expert here :-)
[04:50] <mpt> but I wasn't
[04:50] <intellectronica> though that could be a _different_ issue from what mrevell's corespondent is reporting
[04:51] <intellectronica> mpt: in that case i should have filed a bug :)
[04:51] <mpt> http://boxofchocolates.ca/archives/2005/06/12/javascript-and-accessibility is interesting
[04:52] <mrevell> intellectronica: What issue are you aware of?
[04:53] <intellectronica> mpt: true but, a: many users of screen readers turn off javascript, and there are other users who don't have javascript for other reasons (security, whatever)
[04:54] <intellectronica> mrevell: the popup widgets (the ones where you can fill in the detail or click 'Choose...' don't do anything if you click choose and don't have javascript
[04:54] <mrevell> intellectronica: I think that's almost certainly the issue here.
[04:54] <mrevell> Can we make them degrade gracefully?
[04:54] <intellectronica> mrevell: ideally, we should do something different if the user doesn't have javascript, like jump to a new page, or replace the widget with a combo
[04:54] <mpt> intellectronica, I agree that Launchpad should work without JavaScript, but it's not clear that that's the issue here
[04:54] <intellectronica> mrevell: i don't see why not (with a bit of work)
[04:55] <sinzui> mpt: i agree.
[04:55] <intellectronica> mpt: true, let's regard this as a separate issue then
[04:55] <mpt> Separate until proved the same
[04:56] <intellectronica> an opportunity to dogfood that duplicate bug functionality :)
[04:56] <sinzui> I think we need to know if choose dialog activated, but was unintelligible, or just did not run.
[04:57] <intellectronica> sinzui: good point
[04:57] <mpt> exactly
[04:57] <mrevell> Ah, okay, I see that I was wrong to jump to a conclusion here.
[04:58] <mpt> For example, we could use JavaScript to insert those "Choose..." links in the first place, so that without JavaScript you had just the text field
[05:00] <mpt> but that wouldn't solve the problem, for those people, of it being difficult to enter the appropriate value
[05:01] <mpt> So we wouldn't have complaints like this, but we'd have (in the absence of usability testing) hidden failures.
[05:02] <mpt> Fernando is apparently using Microsoft Outlook
[05:03] <mpt> so probably Jaws
[05:11] <intellectronica> mpt: there are two solutions i can think of
[05:11] <intellectronica> 1. make the choose links go to a new page where you can search
[05:12] <intellectronica> 2. start with a drop-down and replace it dynamically (so only if js is on)
[05:12] <intellectronica> the problem with the latter is that sometimes the lists will be too long (so both difficult to use and potentially causing timeouts)
[05:13] <mpt> intellectronica, for the sanity of non-disabled users, we should do a Google-Suggest-like thing anyway
[05:13] <intellectronica> mpt: that would be awesome!
[05:13] <mpt> intellectronica, are you volunteering? ;-)
[05:14] <mpt> So what we should do to make the "Choose..." more accessible perhaps depends on how soon we will replace it
[05:14] <intellectronica> mpt: absolutely - i'll start a spec
[05:15] <mpt> intellectronica, we already have a braindump spec on it, iirc
[05:15] <mpt> ... from 2005
[05:15] <intellectronica> mpt: url?
[05:15] <mpt> intellectronica, https://launchpad.canonical.com/SuggestionSearchControl
[05:16] <mpt> Don't let the "Launchpad has" throw you, present tense was fashionable back then :-)
[05:19] <kblin> hm, is there a way to get launchpad to watch a google code hosting issue tracker for bugs?
[05:20] <matsubara> kblin: bug 78395
[05:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 78395 in malone "Support Google Code's issue tracker" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78395 - Assigned to Graham Binns (gmb)
[05:20] <mpt> what matsubara said
[05:20] <kblin> matsubara: ah, fair enough, I'll keep an eye on it
[05:21] <kblin> it's not urgent, no one's filing bugs for my app anyway :)
[05:24] <mpt> intellectronica, and the equivalent bug report is bug 123898
[05:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123898 in launchpad "Project/package/person/etc fields don't auto-complete" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123898
[05:25] <poolie> hello mpt
[05:25] <intellectronica> mpt: why do we have both a blueprint and bug, actually?
[05:25] <mpt> intellectronica, because I'd forgotten about the specification when I reported the bug
[05:26] <mpt> and of course it didn't show up in the bug search, because it wasn't in the bug tracker
[05:26] <mpt> hi poolie 
[05:26] <intellectronica> mpt: which in itself is something worth fixing
[05:26] <mpt> intellectronica, well yes, I also have a spec on that ;-)
[05:27] <intellectronica> mpt: this is getting infinitely recursive
[05:27] <mpt> Nono, we're only at two levels, we're fine
[05:27] <mpt> I have previously gotten three levels deep while reporting Launchpad bugs
[05:28] <mpt> While reproducing someone's bug I discover another bug, and while reporting that bug I find a bug in the bugtracker
[05:34] <kblin> mpt: that must make for funny bug reports
[05:36] <gmb> Who ping'd?
[05:36] <gmb> Oh, Ubotu.
[05:38] <kblin> gmb: just some users being annoying
[05:38] <gmb> kblin: Them darn users. Where's me gun...?
[05:39] <kblin> :)
[05:39] <kblin> I really appreciate that you guys are working on the infrastructure, so I can keep working on code :)
[06:46] <bdmurray> Is there a way to search for an Ubuntu bug linked to an upstream bug?
[06:50] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: by upstream bug #?
[06:51] <bdmurray> If I understand you that takes you to the lp bug number
[06:52] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: no, as in, you're wanting to find out which bug on LP is linked to a particular upstream bug, or you're wanting to detect if a particular bug on LP has an upstream bug attached to it?
[06:53] <bdmurray> The former.  I found a bug at bugzilla.kernel.org and want to find out if it has already been reported to launchpad.
[06:53] <bdmurray> s/launchpad/malone/
[06:53] <Hobbsee> cant help you then
[06:57] <matsubara> bdmurray: https://launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/linux-kernel-bugs/+index?start=0&batch=100 willl give you the whole list, ctrl+f will find it. 
[06:58] <Hobbsee> oh neat
[06:58] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: you could add it to BugSquad/KnowledgeBase
[06:59] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: i could, but i'm actually heading towards bed.
[06:59] <bdmurray> matsubara: great!
[06:59] <Hobbsee> seeing as it's...3am
[06:59] <matsubara> bdmurray: and I think the bug you're looking for is bug 28503
[06:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 28503 in malone "ability to search a watch" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/28503
[07:03] <bdmurray> That seems quite useful.
[07:08] <BjornT> bdmurray: a faster way would be to go to https://launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/linux-kernel-bugs/12345 (where 12345 is the upstream bug id)
[07:09] <BjornT> it will either give or a 404, or redirect you to the bug in launchpad
[07:11] <bdmurray> BjornT: neat.  Do you have a list of launpad urls?  I'm thinking of stuff that might be useful but not well known.
[07:11] <bdmurray> launchpad even
[07:13] <BjornT> bdmurray: hmm, no. i don't think we have that many undocumented urls. this one was implemented so that the old ubuntu bugzilla would be able to easily redirect to the corresponding bug in launchpad, i think.
[07:15] <bdmurray> Maybe undocumented was the wrong word but I was also surpised to http://code.launchpad.net/+project-cloud/ at Ubuntu Live.  And I swear I saw a page with RSS feeds in that presentation too.
[07:18] <BjornT> bdmurray: oh, right. i can't think of any other urls that would be (relatively unknown and) useful. i'm also quite sure that we don't have any RSS feeds yet (it is planned to have some)
[07:23] <bdmurray> Okay, thanks for the information the bugtrackers url was quite helpful.
[08:50] <ubotu> New bug: #128584 in launchpad "Setting a team contact address and registering for a new launchpad account using the same email crash" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128584