=== ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please *don't* run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 3 Released! === Topic (#ubuntu+1): set by Hobbsee at Thu Jul 19 17:53:32 2007 [05:03] does anyone know what the gdk-pixbuf.loaders file does [05:03] and how to obtain said file? === bullgard4 [n=detlef@p54BF3EE6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Raystlin_FM [n=Raystlin@72.22.231.235] has joined #ubuntu+1 === cyphase_ [n=cyphase@c-71-198-55-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === crd1b [n=crdlb@unaffiliated/crdlb] has joined #ubuntu+1 === crimsun [n=crimsun@dargo.trilug.org] has joined #ubuntu+1 === thomax__ [n=thomas@217-148-245-64.happymany.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DShepherd [n=dwight@72.252.133.65] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ajmorris_ [i=ddhw@static-ip-85-25-147-217.inaddr.intergenia.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === vlowther [n=vlowther@adsl-75-55-115-198.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ajmorris_ [i=vrtrc@static-ip-85-25-147-217.inaddr.intergenia.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:30] woo 3 second S3 resume times! (and 2 of that is reloading my network modules) === vlowther wonders who hardcoded /dev/hda in the acpi-support sleep.sh script === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mon^rch [n=anonymou@S0106000fea33f1bb.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Toma- [n=e17@210-84-16-225.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-120-159.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === varka [n=varkatop@p54A5FB7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === monk [n=monk@ip123.avignon.sea.ygnition.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:04] any fixes available for authentication against WPA2 APs failing? [07:06] monk: killall NetworkManager && NetworkManager [07:07] ok. i will try that. (and yes i am aware it will kill my irc connection as well ;) ) === Qubert [n=Qube@S0106000ea6be3878.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu+1 === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@208.69.214.65] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Xemanth [n=xemanth@hostf093.hamk.fi] has joined #Ubuntu+1 === compengi [n=compengi@85.112.66.191] has joined #ubuntu+1 === LinuxProbie [n=brasskid@S01060016e34ca1e0.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:48] Can anyone help me with samba? It's forgotten how to see my windows network === homerhome1 [n=homer@c-76-115-1-142.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:55] anyone install gutsy in virtualbox? [07:56] it stalls on me, I looked on there webpage and it a known bug, but has anyone got around this? === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === defcon [n=defcon@71-36-166-106.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-16-199.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:13] homerhome1: when it stalls, from the vbox filemenu, have you tried to do reset? that worked for me [08:13] i.e. make it attempt to load twice in one session if you catch what I am saying [08:15] okay i'll give it a shot [08:15] thanks [08:16] I think it is 'File -> Reset' === ktogias [n=ktogias@ppp105-251.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === AnAnt [n=anant@196.205.22.58] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:46] Hello, I got an HP Pavilion dv6391 laptop with AMD Turion X2 on it, I installed Feisty (x86 version) on it, the problem is that it randomly crashes when I issue commands on the terminal (or console), especially when a beep occurs, anyone knows a solution for this ? [08:48] WTF? For some reason, my DVD playing keeps freezing at chapter marks. [08:48] It says "Error reading NAV packet". [08:49] AnAnt: how does it crash ? freeze [08:49] Xemanth: yup, and if the last thing happening was a beep, it keeps beeping === jdt [n=jdt@58.172.9.77] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:54] Xemanth: hello ? [08:54] AnAnt: you have Kubuntu Feisty? Try disabling sound manager === unimatrix9 [n=theGrid@a62-251-25-103.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:55] Xemanth: I don't use Kubuntu [08:55] Xemanth: I tried Feisty (i386) and Gutsy (AMD64) [08:55] hi, is this also the channel for Kubuntu 7.10? [08:55] Gutsy has another problem though [08:56] actually it is AMD64 versions that have another problem [08:56] Xemanth: what is equivalent to sound manager in Ubuntu ? [08:57] hmm [08:57] AnAnt: i don't remember atm :D === se7en0f9 [n=se7enofn@125-24-155-219.adsl.totbb.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:01] AntAnt alsa mixer? [09:02] AaaaAAaAgh, and now Kaffeine just CRASHED again! [09:02] Argh. [09:03] unimatrix9: that is just a volume controller [09:04] oh i see what you mean.. [09:04] system / preferences / multimediasystems then ? [09:05] that only lets you choose sound systems, like for example alsa , or oss [09:05] What the hell? [09:05] It just froze again! [09:05] And when it crashes, it forgets all my settings changes. [09:06] DanaG: use smplayer [09:06] :) [09:06] http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsmplayer.sourceforge.net%2Flinux%2F&ei=6UeoRumLN5TknAOHk9mnCg&usg=AFQjCNH-_HFM4kKAYt1QBa4GjfrjljBY_g&sig2=fhdX_fk9qYTV49HKdwHE6w [09:06] shit wrong url [09:06] http://smplayer.sourceforge.net/linux/ [09:07] DanaG: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/smplayer/smplayer_0.5.21_i386.deb === AscendedDaniel [n=jason@jasonc.caltech.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 === cypherdelic [n=cypherde@p508AE4FC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:11] Can mplayer do AC3 decoding, and good deinterlacing without devouring my CPU? === Tomcat_ [n=Tomcat@p54A1FBDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:13] Oh heck, smplayer is already in the repos. [09:19] Argh, smplayer doesn't give me a GUI to select which sound card to use. === djkorn_ [n=djkorn@202.164.191.114] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:21] w0w.. [09:22] wuzup!? [09:22] so... gutsy is faster now? [09:22] i mean.. rendering cube 3D with reflection? === PWill [n=paul@unaffiliated/pwill] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === AnAnt [n=anant@196.205.22.58] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Lunks [n=lunks@miranda/user/lunks] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:03] I can't get Avant Window Navigator to run on gutsy [10:04] compiling it myself gives me a "segmentation fault" error === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-238-36-119.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _eMaX_ [n=emax@i53879503.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:04] trying to find a deb gives me that libwnck18 that everyone must already heard of. :P === levander` [i=cponder@user-1121m56.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ke- [n=kenneth@port272.ds1-aboes.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:06] Lunks: Don't use feisty repositories with Gutsy :) [10:07] i don't normally use, but I couldn't compile it so I gave it a try =p [10:09] RAOF: it's weird i can't find a single deb file for gutsy, why? === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-238-36-119.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === nysosym [n=nysosym@p54B7C754.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:11] Lunks: Because no one uses gutsy :) [10:11] Also, because it's going to be in Debian (and hence Ubuntu) moderately soon [10:12] so, should I just wait then? [10:12] =P [10:13] isn't there something i can do to work around this libwnck18 dependency? === Agrajag` [n=Agrajag@c-67-163-214-103.hsd1.oh.comcast.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 === PWill [n=paul@cpe-24-208-190-43.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === [miles] [n=miles@bcn1.entorno.es] has joined #ubuntu+1 === borg_ [n=olaf@80.149.17.21] has joined #ubuntu+1 === johnnybuoy [i=johnny@gateway/tor/x-3030ccf0ca16d30a] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ajmorris_ [i=yzyw@static-ip-85-25-147-217.inaddr.intergenia.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Zapek [i=zapek@nat/fluendo/x-d38d235f46a6e6eb] has joined #ubuntu+1 === lasse_ [n=lasse@90.163.18.192] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:44] recently evolution starts eating a lot of cpu while apparently doing nothing. it seems related to notification-daemon === mrigns [n=mrigns@unaffiliated/mrigns] has joined #ubuntu+1 === zaggynl [n=zaggynl@dsl-083-247-110-137.solcon.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Lunks [n=lunks@miranda/user/lunks] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === _eMaX_ [n=emax@i5387A28D.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === asisak [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu+1 === kervel [n=kervel@cable-213-132-140-61.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === leperkhanz [n=Administ@ip68-111-203-36.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:48] I still can't get Gutsy to boot after the last updates (File corruption problem). Is anyone else having this trouble? === chand| [n=rsamson@hoth.linagora.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:49] Should I reinstall Tribe 3, or is there a better work around. (I already tried fsck /dev/sdc6 === leperkhanz grudgingly goes for a reinstall. === Bubble [i=Bubble@unaffiliated/bubble] has joined #ubuntu+1 === thomax [n=thomas@217-148-245-86.happymany.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Xemanth [n=xemanth@hostf093.hamk.fi] has joined #Ubuntu+1 === Nick_Hill [n=Nick@213.152.57.81] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:07] A question to people who fix bugs in Ubuntu, from a bug reporter!.. When filing hardware bugs, I try to provide as much information about hardware as I can. However, there is always likely more information the bug fixer will want about my system. Is there a program which can gather, in a consistent way, all driver, hardware interface, I/O, interrupt, DMA data a hardware developer can need in one operation? [12:08] I am thinking of a program which can output a highly structured, possibly machine readable hardware interface profile. [12:11] Nick_Hill: yes there is [12:11] Nick_Hill: easier to just be a responsive bug reporter and supply extra info as needed [12:11] are you on gnome? [12:11] jussi01: and the hardware database stuff is worthless for this [12:11] jussi01, Yes [12:11] Amaranth: why? === jussi01 starts to fee lstupid [12:12] I am thinking such information woudl be useful not just for bug reporting, but to build up a database of which machines have which hardware (particularly laptops) which can help with recommending those likely to work well with GNU/Linux [12:12] jussi01: because that's submitted anonymously to a separate thing [12:13] Nick_Hill: but, its not laptopproblme [12:13] only its components [12:13] like ati cards [12:13] Nick_Hill: That's already been done with the hardware reporting stuff, but that's not useful for bug reports. [12:13] Amaranth: but can you not quote your hardware database code in the bug report? [12:13] finger print readers [12:13] The problem is, the things somebody might need past your usual lspci and dmesg could be almost anything, depending on the package. === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:15] The information often does extend beyond lspci. For instance, which graphics driver is loaded, which modules loaded. The interrupts, DMA, etc [12:15] dmesg often has clues to that information. You could always just dump the contents of /proc into a text file. But I still think that the data needed by a specific bug/package combination is so wide, that such a tool would have limited use. [12:16] I thought that if pretty much everything about the hardware was captured, in a machine readable form, then compressed, bufg fixers would have less down time getting back to the bug reporter. === Xemanth [n=xemanth@hostf093.hamk.fi] has joined #Ubuntu+1 [12:17] A compressed audit of all machine hardware data would probably take only a few tens of K and be worth a simple command to attach it to a bug === tretle [n=tretle@213-202-154-166.bas503.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:22] Such an effort could focus minds on how can we capture even more hardware data, perhaps leading to exploring innovative methods of profiling a hardware-software interface. Bug fixers might then find innovative ways of using the data available. [12:22] Feel free to write a script to do it. [12:23] rjek, I am trying to see how far imagination for such an idea can stretch, and determine if there is a consensus on the possible benefits. === chrisbudden14 [n=chrisbud@dsl-dp-81-140-108-130.in-addr.broadbandscope.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ind[y] [n=indy@athedsl-268482.home.otenet.gr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ind[y] [n=indy@athedsl-268482.home.otenet.gr] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Leaving"] === Ind[y] [n=indy@athedsl-268482.home.otenet.gr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Zdra [n=zdra@195.244.169.43] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:31] What was the last LTS Ubuntu, and what will be the next? [12:32] Ind[y] : 6.06 and every two years [12:32] rsk: So, the next will be 8.10? [12:32] Ind[y] : right now 8.xx will be the next lts [12:32] Ind[y] : why are you asking? [12:33] where xx is what? [12:33] 04 06 or 10? [12:33] Well, 6.06 plus two years is 8.06 [12:33] ok [12:33] thanks === Ind[y] [n=indy@athedsl-268482.home.otenet.gr] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Leaving"] [12:33] ? === thomax_ [n=thomas@217-148-245-91.happymany.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mrsno__ [n=mrsno@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ph8 [i=henri@85.234.155.91] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ind[y] [n=indy@athedsl-268482.home.otenet.gr] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:51] Update Notifier does not work at all. It does not update, thus, it does not notify me. === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:56] So? [12:57] i dont get it === nysosym [n=nysosym@p54B7C754.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fiveiron [n=fiveiron@74-137-145-70.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:59] 6.06 was delayed for two months. It was supposed to have been released in April but needed more debugging. === qbjunkie [n=Qube@S0106000ea6be3878.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === nysosym [n=nysosym@p54B7C754.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === niekie [i=niek@turbonovus.bergman.nl.eu.org] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:13] rsk: Update Notifier does not work at all. It does not update, thus, it does not notify me. [01:13] Ind[y] : try via the commandline sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get upgrade sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [01:20] oh that reminds me... === Pici looks === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu+1 === coNP_ [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu+1 === coNP_ is now known as asisak === onechard [n=chard@209.168.213.107] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jtt [n=jtholmes@adsl-065-006-144-253.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === zaggy-nl [n=zaggy-nl@dsl-083-247-110-137.solcon.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === AnRkey [n=AnRkey@87-194-62-131.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Zdra [n=zdra@195.244.169.43] has joined #ubuntu+1 === eagles0513875 [n=jonathan@88.203.73.158] has joined #ubuntu+1 === sim__ [n=sim@nyx.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:10] sup every1 [02:10] hey === Toma- [n=e17@210-84-16-225.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:12] sweet jacks workign now === sim__ is now known as SimIJskes === yveslu [n=yves@217.31.69.98] has joined #ubuntu+1 === yveslu [n=yves@217.31.69.98] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Kopete] === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:33] rsk: Why? === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:33] rsk: I CAN update. [02:33] And all that stuff. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:34] It just doesn't get done automatically. Neither Update Notifier tells me that there are updates available. [02:34] Pici: Did you find anything? [02:34] Ind[y] : To be honest, it reminded me of another issue I had to look at. [02:34] Pici: lol === Zdra [n=zdra@195.244.169.43] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:35] But let me see in a few if the gui update notifier works for me [02:35] Ind[y] : in gusty? [02:35] rsk: Yes. (I had it in Feisty, too) [02:36] Is Michael Vogt here? [02:36] Ind[y] : mvo [02:36] (the developer that tries to fix the bug) [02:36] Hobbsee: sorry? [02:36] Ind[y] : his irc nick is mvo [02:36] Ind[y] : nickserv says "Last Seen: 1 hour 53 minutes 32 seconds ago" [02:36] ok [02:37] thanks === Ind[y] [n=indy@athedsl-268482.home.otenet.gr] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Leaving"] === Ind[y] [n=indy@athedsl-268482.home.otenet.gr] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:41] Another issue tha I had with every Ubuntu version, (in gutsy, as well) is that if you set a domain name for your pc, through network-admin, the computer name of your pc, gets discarded from /etc/hosts, and a very strange thing happens. Application such as terminal, and open home folder, get launched after a while, when you start them. [02:41] s/tha/that [02:41] s/Application/Applications [02:42] Delay to start. [02:42] You're supposed to log out and log back in when you do that, aren't you? [02:42] SeveredCross: That does not fix the problem. [02:42] Odd. [02:43] But when you go to /etc/hosts and add your computer name to 127.0.0.1 again, then everything is normal. [02:44] Very odd. [02:44] Never had the issue myself. [02:48] SeveredCross: Remove for a while your computer name (host name) from /etc/hosts and try. === IntuitiveNipple [n=TJ@alexandros.tjworld.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:48] *and see === _dennis_ [n=dennis@78-20-179-220.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:49] Oh, I know what it would do full well, just it's odd that it would not get readded if you change the hostname. [02:49] Filed a bug against network-admin? [02:50] No. I will. [02:50] The fact is that I have filed some bugs, but the most got ignored. [02:50] So I find it pointless. [02:53] Ind[y] : i suggest you help out with bug triage, so it isnt so worthless, then. === Ind[y] [n=indy@athedsl-268482.home.otenet.gr] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Leaving"] === onechard [n=chard@209.168.213.107] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:01] Hobbsee: hey how r ya ur up rather late === acuster [n=acuster@pro75-1-82-67-202-232.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Hobbsee is eating dinner, and reinstating a ban. [03:02] bu totherwise good [03:02] Hobbsee:may i ask what this ban is:( [03:03] a guy being a jerk in #Kubuntu, which someone else removed. [03:03] ahhh [03:04] Hobbsee: forsome reason in kubuntu testers i get a 404 when i type something then hit enter it says cant send to channel [03:04] that's probably because you were distracting it, and stopping others from getting work done... [03:04] so you got muted in all the development channels [03:05] :( how can i get unmuted === thomax__ [n=thomas@217-148-245-105.happymany.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:09] eagles0513875: removed. please learn to stay on topic. [03:09] Hobbsee: ty Hobbsee btw ive isolated the bug to the latest version of lib xine 1.1.7 [03:10] hooray. so you said in the bug report [03:10] :) [03:10] no i just dont know how to fix it [03:10] Hobbsee: its so hard to find someone else whose running the 64bit version to confirm the bug [03:11] I'd try, but I'm not about to install in-development software on either my desktop or laptop, which are my only two AMD64 machines. [03:12] rjek: i have it installed on my laptop i would like someone to confirm this bug or its just me who did something stupid and some how broke something === Hobbsee sighs about people with their $mypetbugs === Hobbsee should fix some bugs. [03:13] Hobbsee: lol u referring to me somehow [03:14] eagles0513875: at the first? yes. [03:14] Hobbsee: from what ive seen it doesnt seem like anybody has worked on my bug besides myself would that change now that ive isolated what the cause is [03:14] maybe. [03:14] then again, how many bugs are in launchpad again? [03:15] Hobbsee: i know what ur saying [03:15] have you filed it with the xine guys? [03:15] no i have not i have with the kde guys [03:15] Hobbsee: was in the channel the other day and they guys in there were rather jerks [03:16] you isolated the problem to xine, so you filed it with kde...rigth then. [03:16] ya [03:16] will file it now with xine if i can find the link to report any bugs on their pg [03:16] Hobbsee: Are you expecting logic from users? :) [03:16] rjek: absolutely. [03:17] rjek: you are in #ubuntu+1 === unimatrix9 [n=leslie@a62-251-25-103.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:17] rjek: "this is not #ubuntu" as the #debian topic says :) [03:17] rjek: you are *supposed* to know various things in the linux world, including how to file bugs, and hwo not to be a moron. [03:17] hllo LL [03:17] rjek: see the /topic about all the warnings. [03:17] Hobbsee: i need to start developing that logic especially if im going into the IT field and programming part === sn0 [n=mrsno@unaffiliated/sn0] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:17] is there an irc channel for the livecd? [03:18] unimatrix9: i dont think so. for gutsy, it's here [03:18] unimatrix9: development / testing / user support? [03:18] Hobbsee: I completely agree. It does appear that most people who come in here to ask questions are just version junkies with a fetish for bling, and not actually interested in helping. [03:18] rjek: they must be from the forums :P [03:18] i love helping [03:18] rjek: incidently, that's why they get ignored a lot [03:18] or a list of options to give the live startup : i am trying to find a way to disable floppy seek at bootup of gutsy [03:18] unimatrix9: have u checked in ur bios [03:19] unimatrix9: er...isnt that a bios thing? [03:19] alas no such option in bios === rjek shudders people too lazy to type "you" and "your", too. :) [03:19] unimatrix9: Does the seek happen before the CD boots? If so, you've not got many options. [03:19] unimatrix9: do u need the floppy drive cuz if u dont just go into the bios and disable it [03:20] unimatrix9: as well as take it out of the boot sequence [03:20] i seeks after loading the splash screen , its an know bug, feisty had the same thing [03:20] so i am stuck with 6.10 [03:20] :P [03:20] unimatrix9: bug #? [03:20] unimatrix9: just go into the bios take it out of the boot sequence and disable the drive or u could always unplug it lol [03:20] Does the floppy seek cause something catastrophic to happen? [03:21] Perhaps one option is to prevent the floppy module from being loaded. [03:21] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/97306 [03:21] Launchpad bug 97306 in casper "[feisty] installer reports I/O error dev fd0" [Undecided,New] === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:22] I seem to recall there's a way of blacklisting modules from the kernel command line, but I forget what it is. [03:22] i dont have an floppy drive, but it seeks it any way [03:22] hehe [03:22] eagles0513875: logic is something you want to develop in conjunction with when learning to speak, and not to speak, and when you're being annoying to others, and/or not following the rules [03:22] ok [03:23] Hobbsee: ill be quiet now [03:23] hmm, what about loading it in txt mode and then going from there... [03:23] unimatrix9: One assumes the BIOS isn't configured to suggest there is a floppy drive installed? My only suggestion past getting the bug fixed is to blacklist the floppy module. [03:23] Removing "quiet splash" from the kernel command line will certainly let you see what's going on. === rjek does that by default on all his installs. I prefer to see what's going on than a pretty logo. If I wanted that, I'd use a Mac :) [03:24] good tip [03:26] rjek: how did u do that [03:26] eagles0513875: If you can't be bothered to type "you", I can't be bothered to answer. [03:26] i remember that knoppix has an list of cheatcodes that you can use to give the live cd , maybe there is some need for such a list for the ubuntu live startup..for trouble shooting, there are already some things listed afcause... [03:27] rjek: sry bad habit of mine from instant messaging [03:27] rjek: how did you manage to do that i agree with you that is more useful than seeing the kubuntu name and loading bar [03:28] Hobbsee: i filed the report with xine [03:28] eagles0513875: You can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst. Find the line that starts #defoptions=, and remove the "quiet" and "splash" options. Save, run update-grub. [03:28] eagles0513875: great. now wait. [03:28] or fix it [03:28] Hobbsee: i am waiting lol and if i do try to fix it what file woudl i look it lol [03:28] eagles0513875: Do not uncomment that line, btw. Otherwise update-grub won't work. [03:29] rjek: would it be a good idea to make a back up of the menu.lst [03:29] eagles0513875: you were told where to start fixing last time, in #ubuntu-motu. you acted like a brick wall. there's no need to tell you again - you can look at your own logs. [03:29] Hobbsee: ok [03:29] eagles0513875: If you're scared of breaking it, then yeah, sure, make a backup. [03:29] I don't bother. [03:29] eagles0513875: people may as well spend time helping people who want to learn, and are willing to do a bit of research on their own, not wasting their times with brick walls. [03:30] rjek: ive broken the x a number of times in the past just trying to get my open gl to work lol now thank god for a wiki i can do it but i still make a back up just in case [03:30] Hobbsee: ill figure it out on my own [03:30] good. [03:30] Fortunately, I'm careful with what hardware I buy, so stuff like GL just works out of the box. [03:31] rjek: i hate ati [03:31] I don't hate them. But I'd always favour NVIDIA or Intel graphics over ATI. === jussi01 is quite pleased with his ati... [03:31] rjek: same [03:31] jussi01: what model ati u got === Hobbsee wonders at eagles0513875's definition of "same" === Hobbsee also notes that eagles0513875 is acting like a brick wall again. [03:32] Hobbsee: ?? [03:32] 9200 [03:32] Hobbsee: im saying i like nvidia or intel ovr ati [03:32] jussi01: no wonder lol u dont have as much of a headache as i do === zaggynl [n=zaggynl@dsl-083-247-110-137.solcon.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:33] oh right, i missed a line. [03:33] that still doesnt stop the fact that you're acting like a brick wall [03:33] !u | eagles0513875 [03:33] eagles0513875: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun. If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you". The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on.. === eagles0513875 bangs head on desk really hard wanting to get out of that habit === eagles0513875 tryign to find that line rjek told me to edit but not finding it and not giving up looking for it === Qubert [n=Qube@S0106000ea6be3878.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:37] eagles0513875: Search for "defoptions" [03:38] ok ty [03:38] i was typing in some extra stuff [03:39] woot [03:39] rjek: brb goign to try it out === eagles0513875 [n=jonathan@88.203.73.158] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:42] rjek: that kicks *** lol sensoring myself here and its rather interesting it loads alot faster then with the splash screen [03:43] rjek: what else did u do to ur system [03:43] I doubt it's noticably faster at all. [03:43] It's just more stuff looks like it's happening, so it looks faster. [03:43] rjek: what else have you done with ur system [03:44] I don't customise much. All I've done is patch acpi-support such that thinkpad-keys doesn't eat 10% of CPU, and fix a backlight-related problem in the intel X driver. === eagles0513875 going to take a stab at debugging xine [03:44] It's less effort and cheaper to buy a faster computer than it is to faff about squeezing the last drop of performance out of what I've got. [03:44] rjek: thats kool i have an amd athlon 64 which im loving right now with probably one of the greatest 64bit os [03:44] rjek: i'd be interested in that acpi-support patch, and how many people it works for [03:44] and the backlight related problem, come to think of it [03:45] rjek: lol well im going try and start on a project and create a rather interesting linux distro but that is going off topic [03:45] Hobbsee: The issue is that thinkpad-keys checks the NVRAM every 50ms. I just changed it to check once every half second (one #define changed). I can live with that latency. [03:46] Hobbsee: I forget where I got the patch for the intel driver, but it's already in gusty IIRC. [03:46] rjek: have you filed a bug with a patch about that thinkpad-keys? [03:46] ah, great. [03:46] Hobbsee: I did, yes. [03:46] rjek: did it get implemented? [03:46] rjek: and if not, what's the bug #? [03:47] Hobbsee: Although apparently newer acpi-supports etc don't even require thinkpad-keys [03:47] Hobbsee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/126655 [03:47] Launchpad bug 126655 in hotkey-setup "thinkpad-keys polls too frequently and is a major culprit of CPU wakes" [Undecided,New] [03:47] Hobbsee: I believe the ibm-acpi guys implemented it all as real acpi events in their driver, so the need for a userland-daemon vanished. [03:48] I've also spoken to thinkpad-keys' author (Paul Sladen) as I see him quite frequently in #debian-uk [03:49] rjek: right. ie, is this something that should still be fixed in ubuntu, or is it fixed in another wya now? === CodeImp [n=dont@s55910c2b.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Hobbsee cant really tell [03:50] Hobbsee: I'm told by the thinkpad people that it should be solved in the kernel by the time gutsy ships. [03:50] But I've had no concrete answer. [03:51] rjek: right === elkbuntu notes that sladen also resides in -motu, -devel and various other ubuntu channels [03:52] He has his fingers in many pies. [03:53] lol [03:53] Hobbsee: is there anything u would like me to test out for ya [03:53] eagles0513875: not currently [03:54] Hobbsee: ok let me know if i can test out any debugged stuff for ya [03:54] it's somehow ironic that gnome-power-manager and thinkpad-keys are the worst cpu-wasters on my thinkpad x41, after all they both are programs that are mainly useful on laptops where not wasting cpu would be nice [03:54] both use way more cpu than x or firefox for example === eagles0513875 is rather lost in the sea of xine source files [03:55] how much cpu time does beryl use? or dont you use it? [03:56] unimatrix9: beryl isnt in gutsy === jussi__ [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-188-110.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:57] Trewas: Snap. gnome-power-manager is almost completely useless on my X61. === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:57] Powertop is a great little tool, btw. [03:57] ah, its called desktop effects ... [03:58] or desktops looks... [03:58] unimatrix9: I tried compiz briefly but didn't saw any point using it as it doesn't respect workspace switcher preferences etc [03:59] Workspace switching and different keyboard shortcut semantics are the reasons I don't use it. [03:59] PriceChild: For some reason restricted manager is... well... in the restricted repos. [03:59] restricted repos? [03:59] yes you are right, but some people really go for desktop effects. [03:59] mc44 had the same issue. [04:00] Pici, restricted repos? [04:00] unimatrix9: I am one for fuctionality rather than bling. I'm interested in Compiz Fusion, as some of its plugins actually look useful. [04:01] its true that the restricted manager does not load by default on gutsy, you have to install it if you want it, but maybe that will be changed on the final release [04:01] PriceChild: you know. universe,multiverse,main, restricted [04:01] oh sorry yeah === Pici gives PriceChild a cup of coffee [04:01] so its not installed by default anymore? [04:01] see above [04:02] :) === eagles0513875 is happy that some updated pkgs today fixed jack and its able to run [04:02] i also notice desktop effects has been consolidated into system > preferences > appearance :) [04:02] yes true, hard to find if you are used to some other place to look...:) [04:03] even for us change can be hard eh? ;) [04:03] Hobbsee: im glad at least i can listen to music in another audio player [04:04] yay! [04:05] Hobbsee: honestly im rather flustered with xine source but ill figure it out lol [04:06] cool [04:06] lol === Xemanth [n=xemanth@dsl-hkigw7-fe1af900-42.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #Ubuntu+1 [04:08] Hobbsee: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6182 what out of everything do i download here [04:10] eagles0513875: Is that the link you meant to paste? [04:11] Pici: i know its to a program but what of those files would i download to install and help test it out [04:11] Pici: do i just download the tar.gz [04:11] you download all of it... [04:12] Hobbsee: then you compile them like normal [04:12] then you run dpkg-source -x foo.dsc, then compile, yes [04:12] Hobbsee: ty hobbs === bipolar [n=bflong@216-164-162-138.pa.subnet.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu+1 === zaggynl_ [n=zaggynl@dsl-083-247-110-137.solcon.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.142.50.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:22] Hobbsee: feisty came with xinelib 1.1.6 is that right [04:22] dont remember, look it up [04:23] Hobbsee: ok [04:24] !info xinelib feisty [04:24] Package xinelib does not exist in feisty [04:26] asisak: then what did amarok use in feisty [04:26] !info libxine1 feisty [04:26] libxine1: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 2414 kB, installed size 5372 kB [04:26] I was dumb not figuring out the real package name first :) [04:26] asisak: ty lol maybe i can isolate the problem that i have with my bug even further than i already have [04:27] yw eagles0513875 [04:27] good luck :) [04:27] asisak: ty lol i have to say xine is rather flustering when u dont know one bit of programmign language lol [04:32] asisak: do u have a machine that has feisty on it or is the machine ur on the only one that has kubuntu on it [04:32] !u | eagles0513875 [04:32] eagles0513875: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun. If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you". The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on.. [04:33] I have neither Kubuntu nor Feisty machines, sorry. [04:33] asisak: its ok [04:33] asisak: ur ubuntu user === rjek bitchslaps eagles0513875. === eagles0513875 nods head and says to self i deserved that === eagles0513875 since i cant use amarok i being searching through my music collection for something to play === eagles0513875 needs to figure out how to remove old xine stuff from machine [04:36] sudo apt-get remove libxine.* [04:37] removes all xine stuff [04:37] asisak: even if its compiled from source [04:37] every binary is compiled from source :D [04:37] k [04:37] but no, if you have not installed it via a package manager... [04:39] shit [04:39] i think i broke something [04:39] !aptfix [04:39] If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a === eagles0513875 thinks i broke apt im a smart one [04:41] asisak: i broke apt:( [04:42] nm i fixed it i think [04:42] eagles0513875: what do you mean by 'breaking apt'? [04:42] asisak: i somehow uninstalled adept manager and a shared folder when i purged xine from my system === phalax [n=phalax@h-82-96-32-75.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:43] asisak: just had to reinstall adept manager [04:44] !extract [04:44] Sorry, I don't know anything about extract - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [04:45] asisak: just removing xine removed alot of programs i use like ark for instance [04:46] I have problems with error code 139 from dpkg.. Is this a known issue?? === Dekkard [n=Psykobab@adsl-67-38-4-143.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:47] Hobbsee: should i report a bug when purging xine from system it installs essential programs if the bug has not already been reported [04:48] I think its from the latest apt upgrade.. === PWill [n=paul@unaffiliated/pwill] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:49] what changed in the latest apt upgrade === siriusnova [i=siriusno@cheese.pizza.mine.nu] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:50] can anyone explaine to me y the xine pkg for amarok is named aspell sl [04:50] Huh? [04:50] eagles0513875: what? if you uninstall xine, it installs other stuff? [04:51] eagles0513875: very unlikely. if you're talking about autoremoves. [04:51] Hobbsee: i was purging it from my system then it uninstalled ark and adept manager [04:51] eagles0513875: it is sure that the xine package is not named aspell [04:51] eagles0513875: on gutsy, you're expected to actually look at things, and not blindly hit "yes" [04:52] eagles0513875: so if you file it, i'll just mark it as user error. [04:52] phalax: what is this 139-code issue? [04:52] Hobbsee: i was in adept when i purged it [04:52] and it happened === burner [n=burner@c-71-56-237-100.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:52] ...and? [04:52] Stller in apt (0.7.4ubuntu1) ... [04:52] Segmentation fault [04:52] dpkg: fel vid hantering av apt (--configure): [04:52] underprocess post-installation script gav felkod 139 [04:52] Fel uppstod vid hantering: [04:52] apt [04:52] it uninstalled adept manager and ark [04:52] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [04:52] !paste | phalax [04:52] phalax: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [04:53] !adept fix | phalax [04:53] phalax: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a [04:54] eagles0513875: you would have uninstalled kubuntu-desktop with uninstalling xine, whcih probably set a whole lot of stuff to auto-remove. [04:54] then if you hit full-upgrade withotu looking, yes you would have screwed up yoru system. this si where you actually have to look and think, and not blindly hit yes. [04:54] is that a bug worth reporting or would be just user error [04:54] it's not worth reporting a bug over, as it's your fault. [04:54] ok [04:54] well i fixed it === mrsno [n=mrsno@cpc3-blfs6-0-0-cust294.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-188-110.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === zefyrus [n=zefyrus@c9517f39.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:56] ... so i take it that the latest (61) gaggle of updates is ok? [04:56] Why would they not be? [04:56] heh [04:57] i remember on feisty.. one bunch caused systems to become unbootable [04:57]