| mhb | hi nixternal | 12:18 |
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| mhb | umm, sorry to be a bother, but does someone know what kghostview brings for kpdf? | 12:19 |
| Riddell | nothing | 12:21 |
| Riddell | they're separate applications | 12:21 |
| mhb | Riddell: kpdf seems to recommend kghostview | 12:22 |
| Riddell | for print preview | 12:23 |
| Riddell | daft I know | 12:23 |
| nixternal | and that is all it does | 12:24 |
| mhb | Riddell: ah, thank you. I wondered why we ship both. | 12:24 |
| nixternal | I had an issue with it a while back because KOffice and KPDF wouldn't print preview correctly | 12:24 |
| nixternal | OK, who is fixing libgtk2.0 and why is it taking so long? | 12:27 |
| nixternal | I need to use Konqui for browsing the web, this firefox stuff is killing me | 12:27 |
| DaSkreech | okular shoudl fix that? | 12:30 |
| mhb | <rant>With all those okular/ligature, DolphinFM/KonquerorFM projects going on for KDE4, I'd like to see the ideal companion for Dolphin - a simple, lightweight WebKit-based web browser designed only for web</rant> | 12:34 |
| DaSkreech | mhb: Whats wrong with KHTML? | 12:38 |
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| mhb | DaSkreech: nothing, but webkit seems to be the future rendering core of choice for Qt/KDE | 12:39 |
| DaSkreech | w/e | 12:39 |
| DaSkreech | as long as there are kparts... | 12:39 |
| wewek | gn all | 12:44 |
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| nixternal | haha, you see one of our Chicago LoCo guys got Kubuntu license plates? | 01:53 |
| === ryanakca wonders if telling people to pop into #canonical-sysadmin to thank the Sysadmins (World SysAdmin Day today) is a good idea | ||
| ryanakca | nixternal: yeah, it's awesome.. Riddell should use it some day as a RC/Tribe release picture :D (If whoever owns the license plate doesn't mind) | 02:08 |
| ryanakca | s/World Sysadmin Day/Sysadmin Appreciation Day/g | 02:09 |
| nixternal | Dan doesn't mind at all | 02:10 |
| ryanakca | hehe | 02:10 |
| nixternal | he is one of my converters here in Chicago...he just moved to Virginia for work | 02:10 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: think they would mind? | 02:10 |
| nixternal | nope | 02:11 |
| ryanakca | okies :D | 02:11 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: I am going to go into the sysadmin chan just because you said that :) | 02:11 |
| === ryanakca broadcasts the existence of their top secret underground channel to the Planet. | ||
| === ryanakca hopes it'll have a "Wow, there's such a thing as the NSA? And they've been evesdropping on my phone calls just for fun" effect :D | ||
| nixternal | hahaha | 02:12 |
| nixternal | I just spammed their channel and left | 02:12 |
| === ryanakca saw | ||
| nixternal | got out before they kick/banned me | 02:12 |
| ryanakca | Hmm. who are the main sysadmins? | 02:12 |
| nixternal | oh, you can hang out in there? | 02:12 |
| nixternal | I figured the #canonical* stuff was top secret | 02:13 |
| ryanakca | Well, I kinda did for a couple months while waiting for a reply for a couple of months | 02:13 |
| nixternal | heh | 02:13 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: It's been idle for the past 2-3 weeks. Only thing that ever shows up is "Launchpad going down for 15 minutes in an hour" type stuff. | 02:14 |
| nixternal | haha | 02:14 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: I suppose Canonical is in charge of the Ubuntu repos? | 02:16 |
| nixternal | you think? | 02:16 |
| ryanakca | hehe. | 02:17 |
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| ryanakca | nixternal: http://blog.ryanak.ca/archives/40 | 02:39 |
| nixternal | hehe | 02:41 |
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| nixternal | http://www.microsoft.com/opensource | 07:35 |
| nixternal | they changed the name again | 07:35 |
| nixternal | when i was there in 2005/2006 it was Open Source, then it merged in with their Shared Source division, and now they are back to Open Source | 07:36 |
| nixternal | like they always say, if you can't beat them, join them :) | 07:36 |
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| mhb | nixternal: your last statement is interesting - are we supposed to join them or the other way around? | 11:16 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? | 11:27 |
| mhb | hmm, Ubuntu is disabling the GNOME splash screen because it takes some time to load - perhaps we could also consider healthier alternatives? :o) | 11:44 |
| mhb | s/some/too much | 11:44 |
| kwwii | mhb: you just read the wiki page I made :-) | 11:45 |
| mhb | kwwii: how do you know? :D | 11:45 |
| kwwii | I think that the start-up time for KDE is much longer so I guess there is a good reason to still use a splash screen | 11:46 |
| kwwii | although perhaps someone could look into it and prove me wrong | 11:46 |
| kwwii | the stupid gnome splash used 32bit pics but did only 8bit transparency anyway | 11:47 |
| mhb | kwwii: I've been playing with more lightweight splash screens and they seem to decrease the startup time | 11:47 |
| mhb | but it could be placebo effect, I need to measure it | 11:47 |
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| Tonio_ | hard to figure out what happens when a build fails on the buildd but works in pbuilder..... nightmare | 11:54 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: hi | 12:02 |
| Riddell | mhb: not having the gnome splash screen means on the live CD (which is still slow to log in) you get a blank screen and wonder if anything is happening | 12:03 |
| Riddell | ksplash is slow to start up itself but kxsplash is the alternative and it's ugly | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: infinity helping me on that issue | 12:05 |
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| wewek | ciaoo | 12:15 |
| Riddell | "Subject: Launchpad: ubuntu-core-dev team membership about to expire" uh oh | 12:20 |
| Riddell | hi wewek | 12:20 |
| mhb | Riddell: kxsplash? | 12:32 |
| mhb | Riddell: no such thing on the net | 12:32 |
| mhb | Riddell: did you mean ksplashsimple? | 12:34 |
| Riddell | mhb: it's a patch to kdebase that suse have | 12:40 |
| mhb | Riddell: ah. How about using a less resource-intensive ksplash? Moodin is a huge beast, it's setting its own wallpaper (AFAIK) and so on | 12:46 |
| Riddell | it's also beautiful | 12:52 |
| Riddell | you'd have to find something as good looking | 12:52 |
| Riddell | which could go the other way, it could be bare minimal | 12:52 |
| Riddell | but the default splash with the flashing on/off icons I find hideous | 12:53 |
| mhb | Riddell: http://bayimg.com/jaEMBaABf have you seen my minimal approach? | 12:55 |
| mhb | I added color support to the ksplashsimple splash, it's not ultra beautiful, I know | 12:56 |
| mhb | but I think a similarly minimal (Xlib code) splash could be reasonably fast | 12:57 |
| Riddell | interesting | 12:59 |
| mhb | with some tweaking we could imitate the kubuntu usplash progress bar and then it could be beautiful as well (but don't believe me, I'm just supporting my own patches) | 01:06 |
| Riddell | ksplashx is somewhere in http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdebase-SuSE-10.3.tar.bz2 | 01:06 |
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| mhb | Riddell: thank you | 01:11 |
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| mhb | it seems the ksplashx is overloading or reimplementing some of the Qt code, so it can't be a super-fast solution either | 01:21 |
| Riddell | yes, that's what it says in the README | 01:27 |
| Riddell | it removes the dependency on qt and kde | 01:27 |
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| mhb | Riddell: ah, yes. I'll take a stopwatch and try to measure the speedups | 01:41 |
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| Riddell | emacs22 seems to be no different from emacs21 except it insists on showing the gnu text at startup | 03:18 |
| sebas | A real user-visible improvement. | 03:19 |
| ScottK | Well it's not like it took a long time to develop or anything. | 03:20 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: how long until we get nice beta 1 packages? | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | or is it not worth running yet, to see the bling? | 03:30 |
| manchicken | Riddell: I was hoping for fuzzy fonts in emacs22. | 03:31 |
| Riddell | kdDebug() << "GOT ME AN EXCEPTION!!!! THIS IS NOT GOOD!!!!" << endl; | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 03:31 |
| Riddell | good to know someone treats debugging statements the same as I do :) | 03:31 |
| manchicken | Riddell: I think they're there, but I think the package has to be compiled funny for it to be built in there. | 03:31 |
| manchicken | Riddell: That looks like one of mine. Where'd you find it? | 03:31 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I'm hopeing to start on beta 1 packages today | 03:31 |
| Riddell | manchicken: it is, I'm looking at your adept patches | 03:32 |
| manchicken | Nice. | 03:32 |
| Hobbsee | cool :) | 03:32 |
| === Hobbsee ponders trying it out | ||
| manchicken | Grand fame and red-necky glory are mine! | 03:32 |
| Hobbsee | yay, redneck :P | 03:32 |
| manchicken | Hobbsee: Did I tell you that the town I'm moving to next month has a population under 6K? | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: nope | 03:33 |
| manchicken | It's gonna be fun :) | 03:33 |
| manchicken | We've gotta go sign loan papers today. | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | :D | 03:33 |
| Riddell | getting a mortgage? | 03:33 |
| manchicken | Yeah. | 03:33 |
| Riddell | all grown up and mature so you are :) | 03:34 |
| manchicken | Which is funny, I hate debt. | 03:34 |
| manchicken | Everyone assures me that it's "good debt," but it's still debt. | 03:34 |
| manchicken | It feels like debt. | 03:34 |
| manchicken | And while I can afford it, I can't help wishing that I could have figured out how to buy a house without debt. | 03:35 |
| manchicken | But I lack the $140K to do so. | 03:35 |
| Riddell | it's a rare person who can do that | 03:35 |
| === ScottK ponders suggesting manchicken be sure he and $WIFE have re-evaluated their life insurance requirements... | ||
| === Hobbsee wont admit to how long she's had debt for, then. | ||
| ScottK | oops... | 03:35 |
| manchicken | Riddell: Yes, that's me. Grown up and mature. That's why I still call myself "manchicken." | 03:35 |
| manchicken | Riddell: I'm even more worried about how old a baby is going to make me feel. | 03:36 |
| manchicken | Youth ministry did a lot to make me feel ols. | 03:36 |
| manchicken | old* | 03:36 |
| manchicken | I had one kid ask me one day "you're still young, right? You're like 32?" | 03:37 |
| manchicken | I was 23 :'( | 03:37 |
| ScottK | Ouch. | 03:37 |
| manchicken | It's the beard that does it. | 03:37 |
| sebas | The "experience" dude :) | 03:38 |
| manchicken | sebas: Damnit, I want some KDE swag :) | 03:39 |
| manchicken | I particularly want some baby KDE and Kubuntu swag. | 03:40 |
| sebas | manchicken: XXL t-shirt good? | 03:40 |
| manchicken | sebas: And you're just the crazy European to help me get some :) | 03:40 |
| sebas | Uh, don't have baby stuff | 03:40 |
| manchicken | sebas: XXL or XXXL for me. | 03:40 |
| sebas | manchicken: I am | 03:40 |
| manchicken | XL or XXL for the wife. | 03:40 |
| sebas | I'll send you the biggest I have | 03:40 |
| manchicken | Actually, better make it XXL for her until January. | 03:40 |
| sebas | If you want two, you've got to pay :P | 03:40 |
| manchicken | Cool :) | 03:41 |
| sebas | 10$ or something, I can probably ship for free | 03:41 |
| sebas | Transfer it to Aaron then | 03:41 |
| manchicken | Ah. But you'll send me one for free? :) | 03:41 |
| sebas | I can do that | 03:41 |
| manchicken | Sweet. | 03:41 |
| sebas | Although paying is probably better for my own reputation | 03:41 |
| manchicken | True. | 03:41 |
| sebas | Like "Hey, I want a t-shirt as well" | 03:42 |
| manchicken | I can't pay until Tuesday. | 03:42 |
| sebas | That's no issue, I won't send it until sometime next week. | 03:42 |
| manchicken | My bank told me not to use credit in any way until after loan papers were signed. | 03:42 |
| sebas | I'd send it from the university, and I'll not be there today or early next week. | 03:42 |
| manchicken | Cool. Why don't you get two of the largest size ready, and Tuesday I'll send some cheese your way. | 03:42 |
| sebas | Might even be later, I'm travelling nearly all of August | 03:42 |
| manchicken | I'm buying a house :) | 03:43 |
| sebas | American cheese? :D | 03:43 |
| manchicken | sebas: Don't worry, it'll convert to European cheese with the magic of paypal :) | 03:43 |
| jjesse | mmmm cheese | 03:43 |
| sebas | manchicken: Paypal's a good option. | 03:43 |
| manchicken | sebas: Paypal is a much better option than expecting a credit card vendor to do conversion. | 03:44 |
| manchicken | Paypal does free conversion IIRC. | 03:44 |
| manchicken | I just read an article on dog fighting. Now I'm depressed. | 03:44 |
| jjesse | did it involve michael vick? | 03:44 |
| sebas | manchicken: Sure, I'll ask the other board members if that's gonna fly | 03:45 |
| manchicken | Naw, it was an abstract article about the culture surrounding the crime. | 03:45 |
| manchicken | sebas: Sweet. Much thanks. | 03:45 |
| manchicken | sebas: If you have any other neat swag, please do let me know. | 03:45 |
| manchicken | sebas: But any shipping that happens needs to arrive by the 20th of August. | 03:45 |
| manchicken | sebas: That way we don't have anything getting lost in the move. | 03:45 |
| sebas | manchicken: That might be hard. | 03:46 |
| manchicken | How long does standard shipping take? | 03:47 |
| sebas | Dunno, but the thing that probably takes is me getting it to drop into the mail. | 03:47 |
| manchicken | Tuesday is the 31st of July... | 03:47 |
| manchicken | Ah. | 03:47 |
| sebas | I'm at my office for like 3 days this month | 03:47 |
| manchicken | You know, they have these wonderful facilities known as "post offices" :) | 03:48 |
| manchicken | It's magical. You hand them a box and some money, and they make all your packages go away :) | 03:48 |
| manchicken | heh | 03:48 |
| manchicken | Although I suppose I don't know the way mail works in other countries :) | 03:48 |
| sebas | manchicken: You know, our university has this wonderful facility "mailroom". You drop a box with an address on it there, and things will take care of themselves. | 03:49 |
| manchicken | Really? | 03:49 |
| sebas | really. | 03:49 |
| manchicken | That must be nice. | 03:49 |
| sebas | Man, we used to ship crap everywhere. | 03:49 |
| manchicken | heh | 03:49 |
| sebas | Like chocolate to Portland, plastik bags to the suse offices... | 03:49 |
| manchicken | Although if I waited to do my shipping until I was in the office, I wouldn't get anything out except once every other month. heh | 03:50 |
| sebas | Just like me this summer. | 03:50 |
| Riddell | office? I think we have one of those | 03:50 |
| manchicken | Working from where-ever-the-hell you want is nice, eh? | 03:50 |
| Riddell | it's in the new Harry Potter film I''m told | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | ooo? | 03:51 |
| === ScottK has a cousing that started sending herself boxes through interoffice mail as school when her office got full. | ||
| ScottK | cousing/cousin | 03:52 |
| manchicken | I saw that one. I didn't like the latest Harry Potter movie as much as I liked the others. | 03:52 |
| hunger | Is it normal that k3bsetup does not start? | 03:53 |
| === Hobbsee hasnt seen teh latest, prefers teh book | ||
| manchicken | I don't read fantasy books really. | 03:54 |
| manchicken | This soffice.bin burning max CPU issue is really getting quite irritating. Does anybody know what's going on with it? | 03:55 |
| ScottK | GTK is broken. | 03:56 |
| ScottK | That's all I know. | 03:56 |
| manchicken | What fun. | 03:57 |
| manchicken | Okay, I'm going to restart with all of these updates. brb. | 03:57 |
| manchicken | Actually, I need to go to the bank shortly, I'll probably be back later on. | 03:58 |
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| Riddell | patch on bug 119089 didn't work for me | 04:16 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 119089 in adept "Unable to fetch the Developer Changelog" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119089 | 04:16 |
| Riddell | remind me to poke that at manchicken when he appears | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | okay | 04:17 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: why does pitti care about you rebuilding a .orig file? | 04:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I already uploaded a knetworkmanager with the crapped tarball | 04:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I can't merge the debian packaging since it workarrounds this with a universe builddep | 04:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and I can't upload a new version with the rebuild tarball due to different md5sum | 04:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I can't fix the crapped tarball with a crapped packaging, but I'd like to avoid doing this...... | 04:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I should have noticed the universe dep before initial upload, so that I could have fix the tarball then....... now I have to deal with it | 04:38 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: so make a new .orig with an ubuntu version number | 04:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: can I do that ? | 04:38 |
| Tonio_ | oki ;) | 04:38 |
| Tonio_ | sounds nasty, but well.... | 04:39 |
| Tonio_ | like knetworkmanager_0.2~ubuntu1.orig.tar.gz ? | 04:39 |
| Riddell | no tilde | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | oki | 04:40 |
| Riddell | knetworkmanager_0.2ubuntu1.orig.tar.gz | 04:40 |
| Riddell | then the package version is 0.2ubuntu1-0ubuntu1 | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | of course :) | 04:40 |
| === Tonio_ blames himself for missing the universe builddep on initial upload | ||
| Tonio_ | you should blame me too Riddell :) | 04:41 |
| === Hobbsee blames Tonio_ for everything. | ||
| Tonio_ | my work on kubuntu is really atm, looks like I'm globally tired for weeks, and I can't concentrate enough to do things correctly........ | 04:41 |
| Tonio_ | that drives me nuts | 04:41 |
| Tonio_ | "s/really/really bad" | 04:42 |
| Riddell | je ne blme rien | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: tu es gentil :) | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I need to sleep but when ? | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: when you're tired? | 04:43 |
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| Hobbsee | Tonio_: you could live on australian timezone for a while! | 04:43 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: haha :) | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | if you do, do remember to tell me if it's interesting | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: well it's kinda hard with my new job..... 12 hours working a day + 2*2 hours to go work and back home | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | urgh... | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | waking up at 6 to be back home at 22/30 | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: this is new being french gov, or newer than taht? | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | yuck. | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: opensource company :) | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | nice! | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | so when I work on kubuntu I have to do quick and do errors and bullshits...... I hate that | 04:45 |
| Hobbsee | :( | 04:45 |
| Tonio_ | btw this time at least knetworkmanager should build on i386 :) | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | yay! | 04:53 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: did you look at the kdelbis patch, btw? | 04:54 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: not yet | 04:55 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I hope to do that this WE, I'll have time the | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | cool | 04:55 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: so the point is just to remove the kdesudo patch, the media patches and that's it ? | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: there was another patch, i thought. but tha tsounds about right | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | without having looked further | 04:55 |
| Hobbsee | btw - kubuntu meeting, wednesday, 2100 UTC. | 04:56 |
| Hobbsee | i think | 04:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is there another patch to upload/remove ? | 04:56 |
| Tonio_ | I may have time to do it now | 04:56 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: for what? | 04:58 |
| Tonio_ | kdelibs..... you talked about uploading a patch yesterday, is that done ? | 05:01 |
| sebas | Riddell: How about the Will's patches for kmail I emailed you about? | 05:03 |
| sebas | Those offline status things that annoy me :-) | 05:03 |
| jjesse | @time detroit | 05:07 |
| ubotu | Current time in America/Detroit: July 27 2007, 11:07:09 - Next meeting: Ubuntu Server Team meeting in 3 days | 05:07 |
| Riddell | sebas: still on my todo list | 05:08 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll test the build and upload the kdelibs package without media patches | 05:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: will upload kdebase according to kdelibs once kdelibs is in the repos | 05:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: was just to say that transition can cause a little trouble with unpatched kdelibs and patched kdebase, so if that happens, don't worry, that's just me :) | 05:24 |
| Riddell | so add a dependency | 05:29 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: true I can do like that | 05:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: although adding a dependancy to kdebase-bin for all kdelibs binaries sounds a bit crackfull :) | 05:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll probably just upload them quickly so that nobody will see the issue... | 05:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: btw that wouldn't be a big issue on the desktop, so no need to change the deps for a 3 hours potential issue no ? | 05:53 |
| === Tonio_ is very tired, and may be unclear.... | ||
| Riddell | no reason not to | 05:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: what kind of dep would you add ? strict dependancy on kdelibs packages for kdebase-bin for example ? | 05:55 |
| Tonio_ | so that they only can install at the same time ? | 05:55 |
| Riddell | kdelibs depends on kdebase >= foo | 05:56 |
| Tonio_ | yep that's the way I was thinking about it, will do that then | 05:57 |
| Tonio_ | okay packages are ready, will test the build toonight, then commit bzr and upload tomorrow | 05:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: atm I'm going to sleep a bit..... so have a nice day :) | 05:58 |
| Riddell | hmm, the guidance translations seem to have disappeared in the move | 05:59 |
| Riddell | sebas: did you move any translation files? | 06:00 |
| sebas | Riddell: Nope | 06:04 |
| Riddell | ok, I'll try and rescue them | 06:04 |
| manchicken | Riddell: You're having trouble getting the proxy patch thing to work? | 06:11 |
| Riddell | manchicken: it didn't work, infact it broke it from working | 06:14 |
| Riddell | I'm not using a proxy of course | 06:14 |
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| manchicken | Riddell: All I did was switch from using the Qt HTTP objects to using KDE objects to get the data. | 06:20 |
| manchicken | Riddell: Did you apply the proxy fix patch before or after the details button patch? | 06:20 |
| Riddell | manchicken: before | 06:21 |
| manchicken | Riddell: Try applying the proxy fix after the details button patch. That's the order I wrote them in. | 06:42 |
| Riddell | manchicken: tried it, still doesn't help | 06:43 |
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| ryanakca | kwwii: Hehe, I finally found a KDE person (other than myself) in Kingston. Looks like he's a kde artist as well :) | 07:26 |
| hunger | ryanakca: kingston? Isen't that where all the RAM comes from? | 07:36 |
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| ryanakca | hunger: Nah... Kingston... Canada. Canada's first (out of 2-3?) capitols... | 07:37 |
| ryanakca | s/KDE person/KDE user/g | 07:37 |
| kwwii | ryanakca: cool, what's his name? | 07:47 |
| ryanakca | kwwii: Umm. innovati.. tom hodgins. | 07:51 |
| kwwii | cool, it is nice to have someone around to share your kde fetish with | 07:51 |
| ryanakca | kwwii: http://www.kde-look.org/usermanager/search.php?username=innovati | 07:51 |
| ryanakca | hehe | 07:51 |
| jjesse | gargh, car is cost $1500 USD to get fixed | 07:52 |
| ryanakca | jjesse: ouch | 07:53 |
| jjesse | and the car is only worth $1000 USD | 07:53 |
| ScottK | Yes, but how much would it cost you to buy another car? | 07:53 |
| jjesse | used about $4k-5k on the cheap end | 07:54 |
| ScottK | So 1.5K isn't so bad. | 07:54 |
| jjesse | yeah iknow | 07:54 |
| jjesse | still sucks | 07:54 |
| ScottK | Agreed. | 07:54 |
| jjesse | especially when i wasn't "planning" on spending 1.5k | 07:54 |
| === ScottK just spent 1.1K yesterday on two broken cars. I sympathize. | ||
| jjesse | the good news is the dealership has given me a brand new car to drive until this one gets fixed | 07:55 |
| jjesse | i asked if we could trade, i'll keep the brand new one and he keep my old one | 07:56 |
| ScottK | Heh | 07:57 |
| jjesse | he laughed and said sure and it will be X dollars | 07:57 |
| ScottK | Where X = Y * 1.5K and Y is significantly greater than 1. | 07:58 |
| jjesse | correct | 07:58 |
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| _StefanS_ | evening | 08:18 |
| _StefanS_ | anyone else experiencing some wierd gtk errors in soffice, and acroread ? | 08:18 |
| _StefanS_ | like them not starting :) | 08:18 |
| Riddell | yes | 08:18 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: ah ok :) - good then, so my system is not _that_ screwed :) | 08:19 |
| ScottK | No more screwed than everyone else's. | 08:19 |
| _StefanS_ | hehe | 08:19 |
| _StefanS_ | ScottK: right on. | 08:19 |
| _StefanS_ | and btw,.. the new fglrx is really screwed (the one from ati.amd.com..) - but thats not news I guess :D | 08:20 |
| _StefanS_ | sure hope they opensource it soon.. | 08:21 |
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| Riddell | kubuntu-devel list is going a bit nuts | 09:13 |
| jjesse | really? haven't seen an email in a while | 09:14 |
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| === ScottK neither. | ||
| Riddell | oh, kubuntu-users I mean | 09:15 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 09:15 |
| === ScottK hasn't gotten any mail from that in a long time either. Of course it's because I unsubscribed. | ||
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| ScottK | Riddell: I wasn't being to pedantic in my libmal comment was I? | 09:19 |
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| mhb | manchicken: around? | 09:29 |
| manchicken | mhb: And around and around. | 09:29 |
| mhb | manchicken: great | 09:29 |
| mhb | manchicken: could you please change the adept batch's caption to something more appropriate? | 09:30 |
| mhb | Adept Batch is pretty incomprehensible to everyone, including English speakers | 09:30 |
| manchicken | If you email me content, I will change it at my earliest convenience :) | 09:30 |
| manchicken | @kubuntu.org | 09:30 |
| mhb | manchicken: okay, will do | 09:30 |
| manchicken | (which will probably be this evening) | 09:30 |
| manchicken | I will be the first to admit that I'm not the best at writing content. | 09:31 |
| mhb | manchicken: me neither :o) I'll just paste what the Synaptic counterpart states | 09:31 |
| manchicken | also, be sure to include steps in how to reproduce the dialog with the relevant text, so that I can be sure I'm changing the appropriate text. | 09:31 |
| manchicken | Righto. | 09:31 |
| manchicken | That actually makes a lot of sense. | 09:31 |
| manchicken | Is adept internationalized? | 09:32 |
| manchicken | At all? | 09:32 |
| mhb | manchicken: sure, although we had trouble in the past | 09:32 |
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| Riddell | ScottK: libmal? | 09:44 |
| ScottK | Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5984 | 09:45 |
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| Riddell | ScottK: if the licence is different that's fairly important | 09:46 |
| ScottK | OK. It is. | 09:47 |
| ScottK | License didn't look problematic, but it's not MPL (the files are actually dual licensed because they've been modified. | 09:47 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: do you know that sub pixel hinting is disabled (grayed out) in gutsy? (you probably do..) | 09:51 |
| Riddell | nope | 09:51 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I cant select it for some reason.. Hinting Style works, but sub pixel is not enabled. | 09:52 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I'll look up in the code to see what it may be. | 09:53 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: seems like freetype is not compiled with subpixel support, or kcontrol/fonts.cpp is not checking correctly for it. | 10:14 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: subpixel is disabled in the current freetype: #define FT_CONFIG_OPTION_SUBPIXEL_RENDERING is commented out. | 10:17 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: hmm maybe thats related to patent concerns? | 10:17 |
| Riddell | check the changelog? | 10:29 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: no signs of any changes.. | 11:00 |
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