[12:18] <mhb> hi nixternal
[12:19] <mhb> umm, sorry to be a bother, but does someone know what kghostview brings for kpdf?
[12:21] <Riddell> nothing
[12:21] <Riddell> they're separate applications
[12:22] <mhb> Riddell: kpdf seems to recommend kghostview
[12:23] <Riddell> for print preview
[12:23] <Riddell> daft I know
[12:24] <nixternal> and that is all it does
[12:24] <mhb> Riddell: ah, thank you. I wondered why we ship both.
[12:24] <nixternal> I had an issue with it a while back because KOffice and KPDF wouldn't print preview correctly
[12:27] <nixternal> OK, who is fixing libgtk2.0 and why is it taking so long?
[12:27] <nixternal> I need to use Konqui for browsing the web, this firefox stuff is killing me
[12:30] <DaSkreech> okular shoudl fix that?
With all those okular/ligature, DolphinFM/KonquerorFM projects going on for KDE4, I'd like to see the ideal companion for Dolphin - a simple, lightweight WebKit-based web browser designed only for web</rant>
[12:38] <DaSkreech> mhb: Whats wrong with KHTML?
[12:39] <mhb> DaSkreech: nothing, but webkit seems to be the future rendering core of choice for Qt/KDE
[12:39] <DaSkreech> w/e
[12:39] <DaSkreech> as long as there are kparts...
[12:44] <wewek> gn all
[01:53] <nixternal> haha, you see one of our Chicago LoCo guys got Kubuntu license plates?
[02:08] <ryanakca> nixternal: yeah, it's awesome.. Riddell should use it some day as a RC/Tribe release picture :D (If whoever owns the license plate doesn't mind)
[02:09] <ryanakca> s/World Sysadmin Day/Sysadmin Appreciation Day/g
[02:10] <nixternal> Dan doesn't mind at all
[02:10] <ryanakca> hehe
[02:10] <nixternal> he is one of my converters here in Chicago...he just moved to Virginia for work
[02:10] <ryanakca> nixternal: think they would mind?
[02:11] <nixternal> nope
[02:11] <ryanakca> okies :D
[02:11] <nixternal> ryanakca: I am going to go into the sysadmin chan just because you said that :)
[02:12] <nixternal> hahaha
[02:12] <nixternal> I just spammed their channel and left
[02:12] <nixternal> got out before they kick/banned me
[02:12] <ryanakca> Hmm. who are the main sysadmins?
[02:12] <nixternal> oh, you can hang out in there?
[02:13] <nixternal> I figured the #canonical* stuff was top secret
[02:13] <ryanakca> Well, I kinda did for a couple months while waiting for a reply for a couple of months
[02:13] <nixternal> heh
[02:14] <ryanakca> nixternal: It's been idle for the past 2-3 weeks. Only thing that ever shows up is "Launchpad going down for 15 minutes in an hour" type stuff.
[02:14] <nixternal> haha
[02:16] <ryanakca> nixternal: I suppose Canonical is in charge of the Ubuntu repos?
[02:16] <nixternal> you think?
[02:17] <ryanakca> hehe.
[02:39] <ryanakca> nixternal: http://blog.ryanak.ca/archives/40
[02:41] <nixternal> hehe
[07:35] <nixternal> http://www.microsoft.com/opensource
[07:35] <nixternal> they changed the name again
[07:36] <nixternal> when i was there in 2005/2006 it was Open Source, then it merged in with their Shared Source division, and now they are back to Open Source
[07:36] <nixternal> like they always say, if you can't beat them, join them :)
[11:16] <mhb> nixternal: your last statement is interesting - are we supposed to join them or the other way around?
[11:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[11:44] <mhb> hmm, Ubuntu is disabling the GNOME splash screen because it takes some time to load - perhaps we could also consider healthier alternatives? :o)
[11:44] <mhb> s/some/too much
[11:45] <kwwii> mhb: you just read the wiki page I made :-)
[11:45] <mhb> kwwii: how do you know? :D
[11:46] <kwwii> I think that the start-up time for KDE is much longer so I guess there is a good reason to still use a splash screen
[11:46] <kwwii> although perhaps someone could look into it and prove me wrong
[11:47] <kwwii> the stupid gnome splash used 32bit pics but did only 8bit transparency anyway
[11:47] <mhb> kwwii: I've been playing with more lightweight splash screens and they seem to decrease the startup time
[11:47] <mhb> but it could be placebo effect, I need to measure it
[11:54] <Tonio_> hard to figure out what happens when a build fails on the buildd but works in pbuilder..... nightmare
[12:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: hi
[12:03] <Riddell> mhb: not having the gnome splash screen means on the live CD (which is still slow to log in) you get a blank screen and wonder if anything is happening
[12:04] <Riddell> ksplash is slow to start up itself but kxsplash is the alternative and it's ugly
[12:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: infinity helping me on that issue
[12:15] <wewek> ciaoo
[12:20] <Riddell> "Subject: Launchpad: ubuntu-core-dev team membership about to expire"  uh oh
[12:20] <Riddell> hi wewek
[12:32] <mhb> Riddell: kxsplash?
[12:32] <mhb> Riddell: no such thing on the net
[12:34] <mhb> Riddell: did you mean ksplashsimple?
[12:40] <Riddell> mhb: it's a patch to kdebase that suse have
[12:46] <mhb> Riddell: ah. How about using a less resource-intensive ksplash? Moodin is a huge beast, it's setting its own wallpaper (AFAIK) and so on
[12:52] <Riddell> it's also beautiful
[12:52] <Riddell> you'd have to find something as good looking
[12:52] <Riddell> which could go the other way, it could be bare minimal
[12:53] <Riddell> but the default splash with the flashing on/off icons I find hideous
[12:55] <mhb> Riddell: http://bayimg.com/jaEMBaABf have you seen my minimal approach?
[12:56] <mhb> I added color support to the ksplashsimple splash, it's not ultra beautiful, I know
[12:57] <mhb> but I think a similarly minimal (Xlib code) splash could be reasonably fast
[12:59] <Riddell> interesting
[01:06] <mhb> with some tweaking we could imitate the kubuntu usplash progress bar and then it could be beautiful as well (but don't believe me, I'm just supporting my own patches)
[01:06] <Riddell> ksplashx is somewhere in http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdebase-SuSE-10.3.tar.bz2
[01:11] <mhb> Riddell: thank you
[01:21] <mhb> it seems the ksplashx is overloading or reimplementing some of the Qt code, so it can't be a super-fast solution either
[01:27] <Riddell> yes, that's what it says in the README
[01:27] <Riddell> it removes the dependency on qt and kde
[01:41] <mhb> Riddell: ah, yes. I'll take a stopwatch and try to measure the speedups
[03:18] <Riddell> emacs22 seems to be no different from emacs21 except it insists on showing the gnu text at startup
[03:19] <sebas> A real user-visible improvement.
[03:20] <ScottK> Well it's not like it took a long time to develop or anything.
[03:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how long until we get nice beta 1 packages?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> or is it not worth running yet, to see the bling?
[03:31] <manchicken> Riddell: I was hoping for fuzzy fonts in emacs22.
[03:31] <Riddell> kdDebug() << "GOT ME AN EXCEPTION!!!! THIS IS NOT GOOD!!!!" << endl;
[03:31] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:31] <Riddell> good to know someone treats debugging statements the same as I do :)
[03:31] <manchicken> Riddell: I think they're there, but I think the package has to be compiled funny for it to be built in there.
[03:31] <manchicken> Riddell: That looks like one of mine.  Where'd you find it?
[03:31] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I'm hopeing to start on beta 1 packages today
[03:32] <Riddell> manchicken: it is, I'm looking at your adept patches
[03:32] <manchicken> Nice.
[03:32] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[03:32] <manchicken> Grand fame and red-necky glory are mine!
[03:32] <Hobbsee> yay, redneck :P
[03:33] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Did I tell you that the town I'm moving to next month has a population under 6K?
[03:33] <Hobbsee> manchicken: nope
[03:33] <manchicken> It's gonna be fun :)
[03:33] <manchicken> We've gotta go sign loan papers today.
[03:33] <Hobbsee> :D
[03:33] <Riddell> getting a mortgage?
[03:33] <manchicken> Yeah.
[03:34] <Riddell> all grown up and mature so you are :)
[03:34] <manchicken> Which is funny, I hate debt.
[03:34] <manchicken> Everyone assures me that it's "good debt," but it's still debt.
[03:34] <manchicken> It feels like debt.
[03:35] <manchicken> And while I can afford it, I can't help wishing that I could have figured out how to buy a house without debt.
[03:35] <manchicken> But I lack the $140K to do so.
[03:35] <Riddell> it's a rare person who can do that
[03:35] <ScottK> oops...
[03:35] <manchicken> Riddell: Yes, that's me.  Grown up and mature.  That's why I still call myself "manchicken."
[03:36] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm even more worried about how old a baby is going to make me feel.
[03:36] <manchicken> Youth ministry did a lot to make me feel ols.
[03:36] <manchicken> old*
[03:37] <manchicken> I had one kid ask me one day "you're still young, right?  You're like 32?"
[03:37] <manchicken> I was 23 :'(
[03:37] <ScottK> Ouch.
[03:37] <manchicken> It's the beard that does it.
[03:38] <sebas> The "experience" dude :)
[03:39] <manchicken> sebas: Damnit, I want some KDE swag :)
[03:40] <manchicken> I particularly want some baby KDE and Kubuntu swag.
[03:40] <sebas> manchicken: XXL t-shirt good?
[03:40] <manchicken> sebas: And you're just the crazy European to help me get some :)
[03:40] <sebas> Uh, don't have baby stuff
[03:40] <manchicken> sebas: XXL or XXXL for me.
[03:40] <sebas> manchicken: I am
[03:40] <manchicken> XL or XXL for the wife.
[03:40] <sebas> I'll send you the biggest I have
[03:40] <manchicken> Actually, better make it XXL for her until January.
[03:40] <sebas> If you want two, you've got to pay :P
[03:41] <manchicken> Cool :)
[03:41] <sebas> 10$ or something, I can probably ship for free
[03:41] <sebas> Transfer it to Aaron then
[03:41] <manchicken> Ah.  But you'll send me one for free? :)
[03:41] <sebas> I can do that
[03:41] <manchicken> Sweet.
[03:41] <sebas> Although paying is probably better for my own reputation
[03:41] <manchicken> True.
[03:42] <sebas> Like "Hey, I want a t-shirt as well"
[03:42] <manchicken> I can't pay until Tuesday.
[03:42] <sebas> That's no issue, I won't send it until sometime next week.
[03:42] <manchicken> My bank told me not to use credit in any way until after loan papers were signed.
[03:42] <sebas> I'd send it from the university, and I'll not be there today or early next week.
[03:42] <manchicken> Cool.  Why don't you get two of the largest size ready, and Tuesday I'll send some cheese your way.
[03:42] <sebas> Might even be later, I'm travelling nearly all of August
[03:43] <manchicken> I'm buying a house :)
[03:43] <sebas> American cheese? :D
[03:43] <manchicken> sebas: Don't worry, it'll convert to European cheese with the magic of paypal :)
[03:43] <jjesse> mmmm cheese
[03:43] <sebas> manchicken: Paypal's a good option.
[03:44] <manchicken> sebas: Paypal is a much better option than expecting a credit card vendor to do conversion.
[03:44] <manchicken> Paypal does free conversion IIRC.
[03:44] <manchicken> I just read an article on dog fighting.  Now I'm depressed.
[03:44] <jjesse> did it involve michael vick?
[03:45] <sebas> manchicken: Sure, I'll ask the other board members if that's gonna fly
[03:45] <manchicken> Naw, it was an abstract article about the culture surrounding the crime.
[03:45] <manchicken> sebas: Sweet.  Much thanks.
[03:45] <manchicken> sebas: If you have any other neat swag, please do let me know.
[03:45] <manchicken> sebas: But any shipping that happens needs to arrive by the 20th of August.
[03:45] <manchicken> sebas: That way we don't have anything getting lost in the move.
[03:46] <sebas> manchicken: That might be hard.
[03:47] <manchicken> How long does standard shipping take?
[03:47] <sebas> Dunno, but the thing that probably takes is me getting it to drop into the mail.
[03:47] <manchicken> Tuesday is the 31st of July...
[03:47] <manchicken> Ah.
[03:47] <sebas> I'm at my office for like 3 days this month
[03:48] <manchicken> You know, they have these wonderful facilities known as "post offices" :)
[03:48] <manchicken> It's magical.  You hand them a box and some money, and they make all your packages go away :)
[03:48] <manchicken> heh
[03:48] <manchicken> Although I suppose I don't know the way mail works in other countries :)
[03:49] <sebas> manchicken: You know, our university has this wonderful facility "mailroom". You drop a box with an address on it there, and things will take care of themselves.
[03:49] <manchicken> Really?
[03:49] <sebas> really.
[03:49] <manchicken> That must be nice.
[03:49] <sebas> Man, we used to ship crap everywhere.
[03:49] <manchicken> heh
[03:49] <sebas> Like chocolate to Portland, plastik bags to the suse offices...
[03:50] <manchicken> Although if I waited to do my shipping until I was in the office, I wouldn't get anything out except once every other month.  heh
[03:50] <sebas> Just like me this summer.
[03:50] <Riddell> office?  I think we have one of those
[03:50] <manchicken> Working from where-ever-the-hell you want is nice, eh?
[03:51] <Riddell> it's in the new Harry Potter film I''m told
[03:51] <Hobbsee> ooo?
[03:52] <ScottK> cousing/cousin
[03:52] <manchicken> I saw that one.  I didn't like the latest Harry Potter movie as much as I liked the others.
[03:53] <hunger> Is it normal that k3bsetup does not start?
[03:54] <manchicken> I don't read fantasy books really.
[03:55] <manchicken> This soffice.bin burning max CPU issue is really getting quite irritating.  Does anybody know what's going on with it?
[03:56] <ScottK> GTK is broken.
[03:56] <ScottK> That's all I know.
[03:57] <manchicken> What fun.
[03:57] <manchicken> Okay, I'm going to restart with all of these updates.  brb.
[03:58] <manchicken> Actually, I need to go to the bank shortly, I'll probably be back later on.
[04:16] <Riddell> patch on bug 119089 didn't work for me
[04:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119089 in adept "Unable to fetch the Developer Changelog" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119089
[04:17] <Riddell> remind me to poke that at manchicken when he appears
[04:17] <Hobbsee> okay
[04:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: why does pitti care about you rebuilding a .orig file?
[04:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I already uploaded a knetworkmanager with the crapped tarball
[04:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can't merge the debian packaging since it workarrounds this with a universe builddep
[04:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: and I can't upload a new version with the rebuild tarball due to different md5sum
[04:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can't fix the crapped tarball with a crapped packaging, but I'd like to avoid doing this......
[04:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I should have noticed the universe dep before initial upload, so that I could have fix the tarball then....... now I have to deal with it
[04:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: so make a new .orig with an ubuntu version number
[04:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: can I do that ?
[04:38] <Tonio_> oki ;)
[04:39] <Tonio_> sounds nasty, but well....
[04:39] <Tonio_> like knetworkmanager_0.2~ubuntu1.orig.tar.gz ?
[04:40] <Riddell> no tilde
[04:40] <Tonio_> oki
[04:40] <Riddell> knetworkmanager_0.2ubuntu1.orig.tar.gz
[04:40] <Riddell> then the package version is 0.2ubuntu1-0ubuntu1
[04:40] <Tonio_> of course :)
[04:41] <Tonio_> you should blame me too Riddell :)
[04:41] <Tonio_> my work on kubuntu is really atm, looks like I'm globally tired for weeks, and I can't concentrate enough to do things correctly........
[04:41] <Tonio_> that drives me nuts
[04:42] <Tonio_> "s/really/really bad"
[04:42] <Riddell> je ne blme rien
[04:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: tu es gentil :)
[04:42] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I need to sleep but when ?
[04:43] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: when you're tired?
[04:43] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you could live on australian timezone for a while!
[04:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: haha :)
[04:44] <Hobbsee> if you do, do remember to tell me if it's interesting
[04:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well it's kinda hard with my new job..... 12 hours working a day + 2*2 hours to go work and back home
[04:44] <Hobbsee> urgh...
[04:44] <Tonio_> waking up at 6 to be back home at 22/30
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: this is new being french gov, or newer than taht?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> yuck.
[04:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: opensource company :)
[04:44] <Hobbsee> nice!
[04:45] <Tonio_> so when I work on kubuntu I have to do quick and do errors and bullshits...... I hate that
[04:45] <Hobbsee> :(
[04:50] <Tonio_> btw this time at least knetworkmanager should build on i386 :)
[04:53] <Hobbsee> yay!
[04:54] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: did you look at the kdelbis patch, btw?
[04:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: not yet
[04:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I hope to do that this WE, I'll have time the
[04:55] <Hobbsee> cool
[04:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: so the point is just to remove the kdesudo patch, the media patches and that's it ?
[04:55] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: there was another patch, i thought.  but tha tsounds about right
[04:55] <Hobbsee> without having looked further
[04:56] <Hobbsee> btw - kubuntu meeting, wednesday, 2100 UTC.
[04:56] <Hobbsee> i think
[04:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there another patch to upload/remove ?
[04:56] <Tonio_> I may have time to do it now
[04:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: for what?
[05:01] <Tonio_> kdelibs..... you talked about uploading a patch yesterday, is that done ?
[05:03] <sebas> Riddell: How about the Will's patches for kmail I emailed you about?
[05:03] <sebas> Those offline status things that annoy me :-)
[05:07] <jjesse> @time detroit
[05:07] <ubotu> Current time in America/Detroit: July 27 2007, 11:07:09 - Next meeting: Ubuntu Server Team meeting in 3 days
[05:08] <Riddell> sebas: still on my todo list
[05:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll test the build and upload the kdelibs package without media patches
[05:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: will upload kdebase according to kdelibs once kdelibs is in the repos
[05:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: was just to say that transition can cause a little trouble with unpatched kdelibs and patched kdebase, so if that happens, don't worry, that's just me :)
[05:29] <Riddell> so add a dependency
[05:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: true I can do like that
[05:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: although adding a dependancy to kdebase-bin for all kdelibs binaries sounds a bit crackfull :)
[05:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll probably just upload them quickly so that nobody will see the issue...
[05:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw that wouldn't be a big issue on the desktop, so no need to change the deps for a 3 hours potential issue no ?
[05:54] <Riddell> no reason not to
[05:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: what kind of dep would you add ? strict dependancy on kdelibs packages for kdebase-bin for example ?
[05:55] <Tonio_> so that they only can install at the same time ?
[05:56] <Riddell> kdelibs depends on kdebase >= foo
[05:57] <Tonio_> yep that's the way I was thinking about it, will do that then
[05:58] <Tonio_> okay packages are ready, will test the build toonight, then commit bzr and upload tomorrow
[05:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: atm I'm going to sleep a bit..... so have a nice day :)
[05:59] <Riddell> hmm, the guidance translations seem to have disappeared in the move
[06:00] <Riddell> sebas: did you move any translation files?
[06:04] <sebas> Riddell: Nope
[06:04] <Riddell> ok, I'll try and rescue them
[06:11] <manchicken> Riddell: You're having trouble getting the proxy patch thing to work?
[06:14] <Riddell> manchicken: it didn't work, infact it broke it from working
[06:14] <Riddell> I'm not using a proxy of course
[06:20] <manchicken> Riddell: All I did was switch from using the Qt HTTP objects to using KDE objects to get the data.
[06:20] <manchicken> Riddell: Did you apply the proxy fix patch before or after the details button patch?
[06:21] <Riddell> manchicken: before
[06:42] <manchicken> Riddell: Try applying the proxy fix after the details button patch.  That's the order I wrote them in.
[06:43] <Riddell> manchicken: tried it, still doesn't help
[07:26] <ryanakca> kwwii: Hehe, I finally found a KDE person (other than myself) in Kingston. Looks like he's a kde artist as well :)
[07:36] <hunger> ryanakca: kingston? Isen't that where all the RAM comes from?
[07:37] <ryanakca> hunger: Nah... Kingston... Canada. Canada's first (out of 2-3?) capitols...
[07:37] <ryanakca> s/KDE person/KDE user/g
[07:47] <kwwii> ryanakca: cool, what's his name?
[07:51] <ryanakca> kwwii: Umm. innovati.. tom hodgins.
[07:51] <kwwii> cool, it is nice to have someone around to share your kde fetish with
[07:51] <ryanakca> kwwii: http://www.kde-look.org/usermanager/search.php?username=innovati
[07:51] <ryanakca> hehe
[07:52] <jjesse> gargh, car is cost $1500 USD to get fixed
[07:53] <ryanakca> jjesse: ouch
[07:53] <jjesse> and the car is only worth $1000 USD
[07:53] <ScottK> Yes, but how much would it cost you to buy another car?
[07:54] <jjesse> used about $4k-5k on the cheap end
[07:54] <ScottK> So 1.5K isn't so bad.
[07:54] <jjesse> yeah iknow
[07:54] <jjesse> still sucks
[07:54] <ScottK> Agreed.
[07:54] <jjesse> especially when i wasn't "planning" on spending 1.5k
[07:55] <jjesse> the good news is the dealership has given me a brand new car to drive until this one gets fixed
[07:56] <jjesse> i asked if we could trade, i'll keep the brand new one and he keep my old one
[07:57] <ScottK> Heh
[07:57] <jjesse> he laughed and said sure and it will be X dollars
[07:58] <ScottK> Where X = Y * 1.5K and Y is significantly greater than 1.
[07:58] <jjesse> correct
[08:18] <_StefanS_> evening
[08:18] <_StefanS_> anyone else experiencing some wierd gtk errors in soffice, and acroread ?
[08:18] <_StefanS_> like them not starting :)
[08:18] <Riddell> yes
[08:19] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ah ok :) - good then, so my system is not _that_ screwed :)
[08:19] <ScottK> No more screwed than everyone else's.
[08:19] <_StefanS_> hehe
[08:19] <_StefanS_> ScottK: right on.
[08:20] <_StefanS_> and btw,.. the new fglrx is really screwed (the one from ati.amd.com..) - but thats not news I guess :D
[08:21] <_StefanS_> sure hope they opensource it soon..
[09:13] <Riddell> kubuntu-devel list is going a bit nuts
[09:14] <jjesse> really?  haven't seen an email in a while
[09:15] <Riddell> oh, kubuntu-users I mean
[09:15] <ScottK> Ah.
[09:19] <ScottK> Riddell: I wasn't being to pedantic in my libmal comment was I?
[09:29] <mhb> manchicken: around?
[09:29] <manchicken> mhb: And around and around.
[09:29] <mhb> manchicken: great
[09:30] <mhb> manchicken: could you please change the adept batch's caption to something more appropriate?
[09:30] <mhb> Adept Batch is pretty incomprehensible to everyone, including English speakers
[09:30] <manchicken> If you email me content, I will change it at my earliest convenience :)
[09:30] <manchicken> @kubuntu.org
[09:30] <mhb> manchicken: okay, will do
[09:30] <manchicken> (which will probably be this evening)
[09:31] <manchicken> I will be the first to admit that I'm not the best at writing content.
[09:31] <mhb> manchicken: me neither :o) I'll just paste what the Synaptic counterpart states
[09:31] <manchicken> also, be sure to include steps in how to reproduce the dialog with the relevant text, so that I can be sure I'm changing the appropriate text.
[09:31] <manchicken> Righto.
[09:31] <manchicken> That actually makes a lot of sense.
[09:32] <manchicken> Is adept internationalized?
[09:32] <manchicken> At all?
[09:32] <mhb> manchicken: sure, although we had trouble in the past
[09:44] <Riddell> ScottK: libmal?
[09:45] <ScottK> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5984
[09:46] <Riddell> ScottK: if the licence is different that's fairly important
[09:47] <ScottK> OK.  It is.
[09:47] <ScottK> License didn't look problematic, but it's not MPL (the files are actually dual licensed because they've been modified.
[09:51] <_StefanS_> Riddell: do you know that sub pixel hinting is disabled (grayed out) in gutsy? (you probably do..)
[09:51] <Riddell> nope
[09:52] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I cant select it for some reason.. Hinting Style works, but sub pixel is not enabled.
[09:53] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'll look up in the code to see what it may be.
[10:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: seems like freetype is not compiled with subpixel support, or kcontrol/fonts.cpp is not checking correctly for it.
[10:17] <_StefanS_> Riddell: subpixel is disabled in the current freetype: #define FT_CONFIG_OPTION_SUBPIXEL_RENDERING is commented out.
[10:17] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hmm maybe thats related to patent concerns?
[10:29] <Riddell> check the changelog?
[11:00] <_StefanS_> Riddell: no signs of any changes..