[12:30] <gnomefreak> scotth: get the latest updates that seemed to have fixed the issue here (same as yours)
[12:32] <jdt> has anyone experienced an issue with OpenOffice on Kubuntu+1 where it simply does not load?
[12:33] <asisak> jdt: Hobbsee is an expert of this :)
[12:34] <asisak> jdt: some people are experiencing it, some are not
[12:34] <asisak> maybe depends on kubuntu vs. ubuntu as well
[12:34] <jdt> asisak: sweet, hopefully he is online.. Ooo worked fine for me originally, but after updating at some point about 2 days ago it broke...
[12:35] <asisak> jdt: *she* is not online ATM
[12:36] <jdt> asisak: Thats probably fortunate given my last statement :)..    Do you have any pointers on where to look to fix?
[12:36] <asisak> Sorry, I don't really understand what happens. Seems to be GTK-related.
[12:36] <asisak> But neither me nor others seem to have time to investigate it so far...
[12:37] <jdt> ok, thanks
[12:37] <asisak> jdt: np
[12:37] <jdt> Im sure a fix will roll through at some point.
[12:37] <jdt> asisak: thankyou
[01:35] <masterloki> !gutsy64
[01:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gutsy64 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:35] <masterloki> !gutsy
[01:35] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[01:36] <RAOF> masterloki: What are you after?
[01:37] <masterloki> RAOF, 64bit gutsy installer found it
[01:37] <masterloki> amd64 is only 64bit installer correct?
[01:38] <masterloki> btw RAOF how broken is gutsy64bit vs 32bit ?
[01:38] <masterloki> <3 axel
[01:39] <RAOF> Um, I'm not really sure what you're asking.  If you want a 64bit install (on an amd64 or appropriate intel chip), then that's the installer for you.
[01:39] <RAOF> Broken?  Exactly as broken.
[01:39] <masterloki> perfect
[01:39] <masterloki> ive found the 32bit to be quite functional :D
[01:39] <Pici> I would think that any 64bit specific issues would be pretty low level
[01:40] <RAOF> The 64bit build has never really been significantly more or less broken, at least for the past couple of releases.
[01:40] <masterloki> awesome - still doing the firefox-32 package?
[01:40] <masterloki> or something like? to get flash etc working correctly without wine?
[01:40] <RAOF> Pici: Actually, there are some issues that only appear in i386, not amd64 ;)
[01:40] <RAOF> masterloki: You can install gnash
[01:41] <masterloki> gnash? @_@
[01:41] <masterloki> standalone only or embeded too?
[01:41] <RAOF> The GNU free flash player.  Both.
[01:43] <Pici> !gnash | masterloki
[01:43] <ubotu> masterloki: An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[01:45] <masterloki> ty Pici
[01:46] <masterloki> oo very promissing
[01:49] <RAOF> masterloki: Current status in gutsy includes youtube :)(
[01:50] <masterloki> RAOF, purrrfect :>
[01:50] <masterloki> ram test went well
[01:51] <masterloki> tested 5 full rounds at full speed correct timings dual channel in 3 hrs [2 1gig sticks] 
[01:51] <masterloki> hehe this is gonna be fun
[01:51] <masterloki> unfortunately i had to move hdd's to controller card.
[01:51] <knix> if only that always worked :(
[01:52] <knix> I can run my ram at a full ddr2-800 at like 3-3-3-6 for 16 hours in memtest86
[01:52] <masterloki> and i cant seem to get em to boot - even with changing fstab stuff so gonna reinstall gutsy and hope that fixes things [with a little creative fstab editing on the other installs] 
[01:52] <masterloki> knix, nice
[01:52] <knix> But the box will reboot in liek 10 seconds once you load up an OS :F
[01:52] <masterloki> wth?
[01:52] <masterloki> what chipset?
[01:52] <knix> 965p
[01:52] <masterloki> 946gz here
[01:53] <masterloki> but im running at ddr2 667 5-5-5-15
[01:53] <knix> what cpu?
[01:53] <masterloki> which is max rated on board - went to kingston site and found a 1gig stick that was rated for this mobo and then grabbed a paired kit with two of em in it
[01:54] <masterloki> d946gzis mobo / pentium e2160 [dual 1.8Ghz]  / 2gigs kingston paired
[01:54] <masterloki> kept hdd's and opticals
[01:54] <knix> nice
[01:54] <masterloki> yeah once i get gutsy going i'll probably try a gentoo install on one of the partitions
[01:54] <masterloki> or mebbie a lfs
[01:54] <knix> haha
[01:55] <masterloki> but not till i get sensors in and running and put load on sucker watching temps
[01:55] <masterloki> i'd rather not push too hard till im sure that itl take it in this case with this cpu fan
[01:55] <masterloki> etc
[01:55] <masterloki> ;_;
[01:55] <knix> I'm, sure you're fine
[01:55] <knix> I have an E6420
[01:56] <knix> And I can OC it from stock 2.13 to 3.2 by simply uping the bus to full 400mhz
[01:56] <knix> stock voltage and everything
[01:56] <masterloki> does have the intel exaust in it so thats good - moved a 90mm over from one of my old cases, and have 2 spare 80mm's to toss in tho it can only use one... tho im considering screwing to outside of the case over the intel output thingier
[01:56] <knix> Never seen it above 40C
[01:56] <masterloki> nice
[01:56] <masterloki> very nice actually
[01:56] <masterloki> ;)
[01:56] <knix> It can go a lot higher
[01:56] <masterloki> ok burn done bb in like 30
[01:57] <knix> I just don't want to oc my ram
[01:57] <knix> or buy more expensive sticks :P
[01:57] <masterloki> yeah
[01:57] <masterloki> yeah
[01:57] <masterloki> 102 delivered for mine - not bad
[01:57] <masterloki> i wanted to get single 2gig stick and then get another later but  meh
[01:57] <knix> I got 4x1g
[01:57] <masterloki> if im investing that much in the system i'll build me a quad later - like next year
[01:57] <masterloki> nice
[01:57] <masterloki> ok bbiaw ^^
[01:57] <knix> bye
[02:05] <pimp31415> ok i lied im back :>
[02:06] <pimp31415> ooo extra desktop effects via cd works great ;)
[02:07] <pimp31415> lets see if it hangs on manual partitioning
[02:09] <pimp31415> oo awesome works here ;)
[02:18] <pimp31415> well
[02:19] <pimp31415> ~15 min to install - impressive ;)
[02:22] <masterloki> w94erfhq234987hr
[02:22] <masterloki> ok knix or anyone
[02:22] <masterloki> got the d946gzis mobo by intel and i got a ide controller card in there - and its not being picked up to boot from!
[02:46] <ulysses_> does anybody know why easytag has no more mp3 support on gutsy?
[02:47] <ulysses_> and flac neither..
[02:48] <ulysses_> ok, just read on launchpad...
[02:49] <crimsun> 127345.
[03:09] <masterloki> ok
[03:09] <masterloki> im having super hard time getting the bios to detect hdd's on controller card.
[03:09] <masterloki> please any ideas??
[03:11] <snadge> is compiz fusion in gutsy at the moment?
[03:11] <Pici> snadge: yes.
[03:12] <snadge> im tempted to try the tribe 3 install .. but im put off by the dpkg and dependencies warning in the topic
[03:12] <snadge> i have a bit of experience with that
[03:12] <snadge> im wondering if i can at least get a semi workable system out of it with compiz
[03:13] <snadge> or if i should just be patient
[03:14] <masterloki> its mostly not bad
[03:14] <masterloki> if you have an extra parition that is
[03:15] <snadge> i want to actually help though.. imo desktop effects regressed between edgy and feisty (mostly ati's fault.. but also beryl package is broken)
[03:15] <crimsun> beryl is obsolete.
[03:16] <snadge> yes i realise this now.. but what im _hoping_ is that gutsy will have a good go of being able to do the effects with compiz fusion
[03:16] <DanaG> Hmm, one issue I one ran into:
[03:16] <snadge> no matter if you have nvidia or ati.. and in the case of ati, if you're using fglrx or radeon
[03:17] <DanaG> A system would stall at the BIOS drive-detect screen for roughly 30 seconds, and once I tried booting the livecd, it died with some unexpected status on one IDE port.
[03:17] <DanaG> It turned out that the single drive was set to Master With Slave, not Master (Single Drive).
[03:17] <DanaG> If it's an IDE drive, that may be good to check; otherwise, it won't apply, of course.
[03:18] <crimsun> that's more appropriately a bios issue.
[03:18] <crimsun> it's very difficult if not highly improbable to work around every one of those.
[03:18] <crimsun> sure, you could munge it into libata, but that would be insane.
[03:20] <snadge> is anyone using compiz with fglrx and xgl? is the xgl obsoleted? i have had trouble finding this out .. esp before i try gutsy
[03:20] <snadge> it'd be REALLY nice if ati added the composite extension to their driver.. they have been paying lip service to this for ages :/
[03:31] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the one thing that might possibly make sense: If you find a master and stall on finding a slave, with the same sort of return value, print a message like "Can't find slave; Perhaps check jumper settings?".  Would that be reasonable?
[03:32] <crimsun> you're changing driver semantics; that could be highly problematic.
[03:36] <snadge> not that its relevant.. but does the same machine boot into windows?
[03:37] <snadge> or anything else? if it doesnt.. its not really reasonable to expect ubuntu to
[03:37] <snadge> if the answer is yes.. then i agree, it should print a warning and continue booting at least
[03:39] <DanaG> Or print a warning and still fail.
[03:39] <DanaG> The thing was, it just stopped there, with no indication other than "Unexpected status <something> on channel".
[05:06] <jmg> my compiz went away :(
[05:07] <jmg> how do i reenable it?
[05:16] <jmg> :/
[05:18] <jmg> :(
[05:20] <Toma-> Alt F2 ---> 'compiz --replace'
[05:21] <Toma-> !info jack
[05:21] <ubotu> jack: Rip and encode CDs with one command. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.1.1+cvs20050801-14 (gutsy), package size 142 kB, installed size 656 kB
[05:21] <Toma-> !info jackd
[05:21] <ubotu> jackd: JACK Audio Connection Kit (server and example clients). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.103.0-6 (gutsy), package size 92 kB, installed size 360 kB
[05:24] <Toma-> !info libasound2-plugins
[05:24] <ubotu> libasound2-plugins: ALSA library additional plugins. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.14-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 101 kB, installed size 432 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 alpha amd64 arm armeb armel hppa m32r m68k mips mipsel powerpc ppc64 s390 s390x sh3 sh3eb sh4 sh4eb sparc)
[05:36] <starz> grah! i blame intell on crappy chipset
[05:37] <starz> then i blame me for buying cheeeeeeeap parts
[05:37] <starz> anyone know of a good way to install grub to usb stick?
[06:02] <scotth> starz: I just point grub-install at the device and it does its thing
[06:02] <scotth> last I checked many moons ago
[06:05] <Zelut> can anyone tell me if wireless will work with gutsy on a macbook, whether via madwifi or ndiswrapper?
[06:08] <scotth> Zelut: http://madwifi.org/ticket/1001#comment:179
[06:08] <scotth> may be in gutsy, not sure, don't have a macbook...
[06:08] <Zelut> I currently use ndiswrapper as the last I tried with madwifi encryption wasn't supported.
[06:09] <Zelut> I'd just like to see if either will work.  I'd like to run/test gutsy, but if wireless will be b0rken thats a bit of a show stopper
[06:09] <scotth> that ticket seems to suggest that its fixed and does wpa
[06:09] <scotth> it says svn:trunk though.. but it was also back in may
[06:10] <jmg> Zelut: live cd?
[06:10] <scotth> Zelut: probably not fixed
[06:11] <Zelut> jmg: unfortunately the cd drive is in need of repair.
[06:11] <scotth> its tagged as 0.9.4 and gutsy only has 0.9.3
[06:11] <Zelut> jmg: once I get back from OSCON I'm bringing it in, I'm just impatient :)
[06:14] <scotth> Zelut: no bugs about it in launchpad, you may want to bug it to make sure gutsy ships with 0.9.4
[06:14] <Zelut> sounds like someone needs to take the plunge and get all the macbook bugs ironed before release.
[06:15] <Zelut> I guess that gets to be me
[06:15] <scotth> congrats
[06:15] <scotth> hopefully I will soon be enjoying the fruits of your labor
[06:17] <Zelut> here goes.  gksudo update-manager -c -d a smart way, or good 'ol aptitude upgrade/dist-upgrade?
[06:19] <scotth> I would assume update-manager would do the best...
[06:19] <Zelut> ok
[06:19] <scotth> Ive been with gutsy since day 1 though... so I haven't tested update manager
[06:20] <Hobbsee> scotth: day 1?
[06:20] <Hobbsee> scotth: that's...insane
[06:20] <scotth> Hobbsee: I'm never comfortable unless something on my system is a little broken
[06:21] <Hobbsee> scotth: no, but while the toolchain is still being built is...
[06:22] <scotth> Hobbsee: I don't remember it being bad...
[06:22] <scotth> Hobbsee: Ive done it on every release since breezy
[06:22] <scotth> Hobbsee: I do have a backup system that I use when things get bad.. in fact breezy was the worst time that I had
[06:23] <Hobbsee> still crazy :)
[06:23] <Hobbsee> i mena, there's nothing to do
[06:23] <scotth> yes... I am
[06:26] <starz> ok compiz fuzion
[06:26] <starz> tell me moar
[06:26] <starz> how do i control all the effects?
[06:28] <scotth> starz: compizconfig-settings-manager
[06:29] <scotth> I highly recommend the desktop wall over the desktop cube
[07:57] <masterloki> i'm having some issuesI was driected here by a friend and I need some help
[08:01] <stdin> you have to as the question before anyone can answer it
[08:02] <masterloki> ok
[08:05] <masterloki> I'm running gusty and I ran the lastest update this morning is anyone else having problems
[08:05] <Hobbsee> masterloki: all that we've learned so far is that you're awful at actually asking useful questions, and getting across what you need.
[08:06] <stdin> well gutsy isn't classed as "stable" yet, I'm sure there are a few people having "problems"
[08:06] <Hobbsee> masterloki: all that we've learned so far is that you're awful at actually asking useful questions, and getting across what you need.
[08:06] <Hobbsee> stdin: indeed.  and with my magic wand, i fix them all....
[08:06] <Hobbsee> without having a clue what they are.
[08:07] <stdin> wow, I want a magic want that can do that :p
[08:07] <stdin> ebay? ;)
[08:07] <masterloki> yes I know it is hard for me to expian thing
[08:07] <masterloki> I will try
[08:07] <masterloki> ok
[08:08] <Hobbsee> stdin: good luck :P
[08:09] <masterloki> I really don't know what I did to my I reconfigered my xorg and now can't get anything to work on my desktop
[08:10] <masterloki> like I can't run off compix
[08:10] <stdin> you have nvidia/ati?
[08:10] <masterloki> ati
[08:11] <masterloki> my friend is going to take mr to get a new card satruday
[08:11] <stdin> do you have the binary driver too?
[08:11] <masterloki> nvidia
[08:12] <masterloki> no I've not grab it from them
[08:12] <stdin> masterloki: who's "them" ?
[08:12] <masterloki> I have the Ati 9200 vid card
[08:13] <masterloki> them :) {ati}
[08:13] <stdin> you don't download the driver from ati, you use the packages in ubuntu
[08:14] <masterloki> do you mean the figlrx
[08:14] <stdin> yes
[08:14] <RAOF> You also don't use the fglrx driver at all, it's crap and you don't need to.
[08:14] <masterloki>  in my xorg I 'm use the Ati driver
[08:15] <stdin> masterloki: you say it stopped working _after_ you reconfigured your xorg?
[08:16] <masterloki> yes
[08:17] <Zelut> i hope you made a backup..
[08:17] <stdin> masterloki: when you do that there is always a backup made in /etc/X11/ , it'll be called something like xorg.conf.20070726213259 (the number has the date and time in it)
[08:18] <masterloki> I had dusl going but with the card I have beryl and compix would not work well on my 2nd monitor
[08:18] <masterloki> I made the backup it was for duals
[08:18] <crdlb> yes you're limited to 2048x2048, it's a hardware limitation
[08:19] <masterloki> I see
[08:20] <masterloki> so i should reinstall the xorg file back
[08:21] <stdin> yes, restore the backup
[08:21] <masterloki> ok
[08:23] <masterloki> aslo my friend said than beryl is pretty much broken in gusty
[08:24] <RAOF> masterloki: That's because beryl is dead, and Compiz fusion (the beryl plugins ported to compiz) is installed & enabled by default in Gutsy
[08:28] <masterloki> dose that mean I don't have to use the beryl manager
[08:31] <RAOF> Indeed it does.
[08:32] <stdin> you use compiz now, you'll need to remove beryl first
[08:32] <RAOF> Well, no.
[08:32] <RAOF> Not actually.
[08:32] <masterloki> raof masterlokis roomie here lets see if we can unzoom this thing lol
[08:32] <masterloki> ok just needed to check the compiz.real crash report to unlock this time turning extra effects off
[09:02] <masterloki> hey thanks for the help it worked
[09:03] <RAOF> Great
[09:05] <masterloki> however my roomate had to help out as well
[09:06] <masterloki> I am a little new to linux ubuntu
[09:06] <masterloki> just need to learn more about it
[09:07] <masterloki> and I have to learn it
[09:45] <DanaG> Hmm, lately flash videos have been pausing when the tab in Firefox is not focused, or when I've scrolled beyond the flash banner.
[09:45] <DanaG> Is that a bug, or a feature?  I currently think it can be interpreted as the latter.
[10:20] <Masterkong> hiya
[10:20] <Masterkong> just did an aptiutude upgrade and now gnome wont start
[10:21] <Masterkong> how about that?
[10:21] <Masterkong> hello?
[10:22] <Masterkong> R you all asleap?
[10:22] <jussi01> Masterkong: patience, this channel is usually dead for a couple of hours yet..
[10:22] <jussi01> there are a few of us awake...
[10:23] <jussi01> Masterkong: have you tried startx?
[10:24] <Masterkong> hmm.. did that now
[10:24] <Masterkong> interesting
[10:25] <Masterkong> fatal server error: caught signal 11. server aborting
[10:25] <jussi01> Masterkong: ok, so its dieing...
[10:25] <jussi01> hmm
[10:25] <Masterkong> strange.. cause gdm boot sup
[10:26] <jussi01> Im sorry, I have no idea how to fix that
[10:26] <Masterkong> maybe i should just try to reconfig x
[10:28] <jussi01> Masterkong: true. give it a go
[10:28] <Masterkong> that did it
[10:28] <Masterkong> strange
[10:28] <DanaG> Back up xorg.conf first.
[10:28] <Masterkong> too late danag
[10:29] <Masterkong> already reconfigured and working :)
[10:29] <Masterkong> i'll be back in a jiffy.. just need to quit this wretched weechat and go back xchat
[10:38] <Masterkong> framebuffer mode seem totally screwed nowadays
[10:39] <Masterkong> i tried, while i did my console exploring, that framebuffer vesamodes didnt work at all
[10:40] <Masterkong> hmm i actually chosed nv when i reconfigged
[10:40] <Masterkong> that was wrong
[10:44] <Ramunas> hello, I have a question about Gutsy
[10:44] <Masterkong> what download managers for x do you recommend?
[10:44] <Ramunas> will there finally be a way to add new screen resolutions via GUI?
[10:44] <Masterkong> or should i just use wget?
[10:44] <Ramunas> as a lot of new users keep bugging me that they have to use terminal for that
[11:11] <sF|> huge problem with fglrx and gutsy :O
[11:11] <sF|> X boot ends to black screen freeze
[11:11] <sF|> :<
[11:13] <Masterkong> me thinks i like wget
[11:15] <Masterkong> if i need to reboot.. next time i startup i guess i just need to use the -c option and i'm good to go right?
[11:25] <sF|> does somebody have working xorg 7.3 + fglrx ?
[01:06] <PriceChild> *doesn't like the new tree view in xchat*
[01:18] <IdleOne> treeview should also be resizable
[01:18] <IdleOne> like the nicklist
[01:41] <SeveredCross> Anyone here know how to make the switch from ipw3495 to iwlwifi?
[03:49] <SeveredCross> What the hell do I have to do to maintain control of my own fans?
[03:49] <SeveredCross> i8kfan sets them for about 30 seconds before something else resets them.
[03:51] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: ? i dont get ur question
[03:51] <SeveredCross> I have a laptop.
[03:51] <SeveredCross> And it has 2 fans.
[03:51] <SeveredCross> It's a Dell Inspiron E1705.
[03:51] <SeveredCross> The i8kfan utility works, and it sets the fans to the speed I want for all of 5 seconds, sometimes as long as 30 seconds,
[03:51] <SeveredCross> After that, they immediately change to some other speed.
[03:52] <eagles0513875> ur on gutsy right
[03:52] <SeveredCross> Yep.
[03:52] <eagles0513875> do u have a cooling pad just to subsidies that utility
[03:52] <SeveredCross> Err....No?
[03:53] <eagles0513875> i would get one of thsoe and also i would submit a bug report
[03:53] <SeveredCross> I just want the fans to run on full speed, since my laptop runs a whole lot hotter on Linux.
[03:53] <eagles0513875> thats weird
[03:53] <SeveredCross> ~50C right now.
[03:53] <SeveredCross> It is hella strange.
[03:53] <eagles0513875> im 41c but i have a cooling pad
[03:53] <eagles0513875> what kinda processor u got
[03:54] <SeveredCross> Core Duo
[03:54] <SeveredCross> 2 Ghz.
[03:54] <SeveredCross> Generally sits at 1 Ghz though, hardly ever goes to 2.
[03:54] <eagles0513875> im not sure how hot those can get before u have problems
[03:54] <SeveredCross> 80C or so.
[03:54] <eagles0513875> is ur monitor an lcd bright screen monitor
[03:54] <SeveredCross> Yep.
[03:55] <eagles0513875> there is the heat issue right there
[03:55] <eagles0513875> my monitor generates alot of heat that actually is the core of the heat for my machine
[03:55] <SeveredCross> Yeah but it ran fine under Windows.
[03:55] <SeveredCross> Colder anyway.
[03:55] <eagles0513875> i have a cooling pad though
[03:55] <eagles0513875> that helps keep it cooler
[03:56] <eagles0513875> also u dont have to worry about clearence issues between the bottom of ur machine and the surface its on
[03:57] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: i would honestly report that as a bug
[03:57] <eagles0513875> is ur core due 64bit capable
[03:58] <SeveredCross> Nope.
[03:58] <SeveredCross> It's one of the first Core Duo's, Yonah class.
[03:58] <eagles0513875> i thought all the newer processors were both 32 and 64 bit
[04:00] <eagles0513875> im going to download that program ur using and seeing if i get the same issue and then ill link u to the bug that ive submitted or uve submitted and ill confirm it in the 64 bit version which means there is a bug for both versions
[04:01] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: have u tried to compile that program from source
[04:01] <SeveredCross> i8kfan?
[04:01] <SeveredCross> There's no use, I don't think it's being developed anymore.
[04:02] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: it worth trying compiling from source cuz it might be just a bug in the already compiled pkg
[04:06] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: is that the name of th epkg
[04:06] <SeveredCross> i8kutils is the package in Ubuntu.
[04:06] <SeveredCross> Sorry, reading up ons ome stuff.
[04:07] <eagles0513875> ahhh ok ty
[04:07] <eagles0513875> is it different in kubuntu
[04:07] <SeveredCross> Nope, shouldn't be.
[04:07] <eagles0513875> i cant find it using cli
[04:07] <SeveredCross> bojanr@sirius:/proc/acpi$ aptitude search i8k
[04:07] <SeveredCross> p   gkrellm-i8k                     - Dell Inspiron and Latitude module for GKre
[04:07] <SeveredCross> id  i8kutils                        - utilities for Dell Inspiron and Latitude l
[04:07] <SeveredCross> bojanr@sirius:/proc/acpi$
[04:08] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: ur using ubuntu im guessing
[04:09] <SeveredCross> Yep.
[04:09] <eagles0513875> that could be the issue right there im on kubuntu
[04:09] <Hobbsee> do you need i8kutils at all?
[04:09] <SeveredCross> Shouldn't matter, package names won't be different.
[04:10] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ policy i8kutils
[04:10] <Hobbsee> i8kutils:
[04:10] <Hobbsee>   Installed: (none)
[04:10] <Hobbsee>   Candidate: 1.27
[04:10] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: hey Hobbsee severed was having a bug with it all i wanted to do was confirm and since im on a laptop too it would be handy to have
[04:10] <Hobbsee> dell 6400, works fine here.
[04:10] <eagles0513875> i have a compaq pesario r4012us lol if that makes any difference
[04:11] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: it's not a dell, and if you look at the aptitude serach output there, you'll notice it only refers to dell laptops.
[04:11] <eagles0513875> oh
[04:11] <Hobbsee> hence the question is to SeveredCross
[04:11] <eagles0513875> oh
[04:11] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: is their anything like that for any kinda laptop
[04:12] <Hobbsee> shouldnt need to be
[04:12] <SeveredCross> Actually, I don't know if I do really need i8kutils.
[04:12] <SeveredCross> It's just funny how hot the damn thing gets.
[04:12] <Hobbsee> it's not even in main, so not installed by default
[04:12] <SeveredCross> I know the fans could spin up a lot harder under Windows, so I'm curious.
[04:12] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: if u get a cooling pad you will be fine
[04:12] <Hobbsee> SeveredCross: i'd try purging it, and rebooting.  i think there were reports on screwing up the system.
[04:12] <SeveredCross> i8kutils?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> SeveredCross: there was certainly some talk on it
[04:12] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:12] <SeveredCross> Will do.
[04:13] <SeveredCross> Only thing is I lose controol of the fans. Oh well.
[04:13] <SeveredCross> I didn't really have any anyway.
[04:13] <Hobbsee> SeveredCross: that's what i'm thinking
[04:14] <SeveredCross> Mine work, but I feel like they're not strong enough...My PC gets up to 60C without even touching 2 GHz.
[04:14] <SeveredCross> Bleh.
[04:14] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: i would first try a cooling pad and see what that does i bet it would easily bring back down to 50 or so
[04:14] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: im really in a mood for debugging i dont know why
[04:15] <SeveredCross> The load's a bit high, because I'm running a fairly intensive Wine program.
[04:15] <Pici> Theres a similar issue with the acpi-thinkpad/ibm module.
[04:15] <SeveredCross> Sadly one that has no comparable native replacement.
[04:15] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: what is it if u dont mind me asking
[04:15] <SeveredCross> The only thing that's comparable is heavily broken and development is all but progressing.
[04:15] <SeveredCross> eMule
[04:15] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: i'd suggest actually trying the one that he can implemetn now first, rather than going out and buying a cooling pad, which may not fix the problem
[04:15] <SeveredCross> aMule is comparable, but is really pretty broken
[04:15] <SeveredCross> And far behind.
[04:16] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: have u tried torrenting
[04:16] <SeveredCross> Yes, and a lot of stuff I want is not even on any torrent sites.
[04:16] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: true but it could be a clearence issue too
[04:16] <SeveredCross> So torrents don't work for me.
[04:16] <eagles0513875> amule is worthless
[04:16] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: it could, but most of the time it's fine.  it's more likely to be the i8... stuff.
[04:16] <SeveredCross> It's not a clearance issue, I prop the bloody thing up on something if I'm not near my little stand thing.
[04:17] <eagles0513875> then im agreeing wiht Hobbsee on this one its probly the i8 stuff
[04:17] <SeveredCross> It may well be.
[04:17] <SeveredCross> I'll reboot once my downloads slow down, they're flying high right now.
[04:17] <pej> how do i change the amount of workspaces in gutsy?
[04:18] <eagles0513875> pej: open up system settings and open the desktop setting
[04:18] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: likely ubuntu
[04:18] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: if it was kubuntu, he wouldnt have to ask - he'd be able to find it
[04:18] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: ok ill be quiet now
[04:19] <pej> eagles0513875: im not seeing any desktop setting
[04:19] <eagles0513875> pej: ur using ubuntu
[04:19] <pej> eagles0513875: correct
[04:20] <eagles0513875> pej: sry i assumed u were using kubuntu im trying to remember where it is in ubuntu ive played around with ubuntu but not as much as i have with kubuntu
[04:20] <Pici> pej: right click on workplace switcher, preferences, number of workspaces is in that dialog.
[04:20] <Hobbsee> it'll be in the compiz config thingy
[04:20] <Hobbsee> i'd expect
[04:20] <pej> Pici: it used to be, but it isn't anymore
[04:21] <pej> all im seeing is "show only the current workspace" and "show all workspaces in N rows"
[04:22] <Pici> pej: Do you have desktop effects enabled?
[04:23] <pej> Pici: yeah. does that matter?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> yes, because your window manager changed.
[04:23] <Pici> pej: Yes. I would think you'd have to use ccsm to make the changes.
[04:24] <pej> right
[04:25] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: anything for testing
[04:26] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: let me know when u have something ill be more than happy to help ya test it out
[04:27] <Hobbsee> k
[04:27] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: what good debuggin programs are available in the repositories
[04:29] <SeveredCross> Hobbsee: While you're here, have you heard anything on the grapevine about X color issues when using FGLRX?
[04:30] <Hobbsee> SeveredCross: not apart from "avoid ATI"
[04:30] <SeveredCross> Like after a screen blank, X just goes absolutely bloody nuts and the colors end up insane.
[04:30] <SeveredCross> Yeah, I have to use it because of my card.
[04:30] <SeveredCross> Mobility Radeon X1400, not supported by the opensource driver
[04:30] <SeveredCross> Though I think it may be something in the latest ATI driver that's borked, since I don't recall having the issue with the driver out of the repos...Maybe I'll revert when I get a chance.
[04:31] <SeveredCross> Right now, time to sleep.
[04:31] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: u tryign to enable open gl
[04:31] <SeveredCross> Nope, acceleration is fine..
[04:31] <SeveredCross> Didn't you read what I said?
[04:31] <SeveredCross> I have color issues...
[04:31] <SeveredCross> Not GL issues.
[04:31] <SeveredCross> The open source driver flat out doesn't work, not GL doesn't work.
[04:32] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: i end up to a degree having to hack the xorg.conf
[04:32] <SeveredCross> I've never had issues getting OpenGL to work.
[04:32] <eagles0513875> and mine is a radeon xpress 200m
[04:32] <SeveredCross> Most of the time it's been as simple as installing FGLRX and rebooting.
[04:32] <SeveredCross> Anyway, bathroom and bed.
[04:32] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: have a good night dude
[04:32] <Pici> I'm running with fglrx and I've never had a color issue.
[04:32] <Pici> I have a x1400 too.
[04:32] <eagles0513875> me neither
[04:33] <eagles0513875> but im runnign a radeon xpress 200
[04:33] <eagles0513875> m
[04:33] <eagles0513875> Pici: urs worked out of the box
[04:34] <Hobbsee> !u | eagles0513875
[04:34] <ubotu> eagles0513875: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[04:34] <Pici> eagles0513875: No. I did a lot of tweaking to get it to work properly.
[04:35] <mrsno> hi Lattyware
[04:35] <Lattyware> Hey all, I'm having a problem. I'm trying to install the nVidia drivers into a fresh install of Gutsy tribe 3 (pretty sure Gutsy has nothing to do with it), and I'm getting this error:  No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:4:0:0) found - despite the fact I added a device section with that BusID. (I have two graphics cards)
[04:35] <Lattyware> hey
[04:35] <mrsno> can you explain 'how' you are installing the nvidia drivers? what happens when you enable the restricted driver from the gui ?
[04:36] <Lattyware> I'm not, I'm doing it manually. I have to, one of my two cards is an 8-series.
[04:36] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: the only type of beatings i do are kickbans.
[04:36] <eagles0513875> :(
[04:36] <Lattyware>  have to use the latest drivers to get it to work.
[04:36] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: u going to ban :(
[04:36] <mrsno> Lattyware the restricted drivers should install nvidia-glx-new for you, to make the 8800 card work
[04:36] <Lattyware> really?
[04:36] <mrsno> if they install nvidia-glx, then try manually aptitude install nvidia-glx-new
[04:36] <Lattyware> Well, I never tried the restricted manager
[04:37] <mrsno> in feisty some users had to use the nvidia.com drivers (maybe with envy)
[04:37] <mrsno> for the 8800 series, but nvidia-glx-new should work fine
[04:37] <mrsno> if not then we can see about manually installing them yes
[04:38] <Hobbsee> !debug
[04:38] <ubotu> For help debugging your program, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[04:38] <Lattyware> In fact, where is it?
[04:38] <Lattyware> It doesn't appear to be in any of the menus...
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Lattyware: you'll have to install it - it wasnt on the tribe 3 cds
[04:39] <Lattyware> Ah
[04:39] <Hobbsee> (which is now fixed)
[04:39] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: ty for the link
[04:39] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: no problem
[04:40] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: your a great asset to have around here
[04:40] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:41] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: i mean that and i bet everyone here agrees
[04:41] <Lattyware> hmm, it's downloading nvidia-glx
[04:41] <Lattyware> which I'm presuming won't work with my 8600GTS
[04:42] <Lattyware> so I need to do sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx then sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new - correct?
[04:42] <mrsno> i would use aptitude, but yes that is correct :)
[04:43] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: well im out time to get on my dreaded winblows partition so i can play this one game
[04:44] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: hopefully i will be getting a free copy of cedega from a friend who has another friend whose bf works for them lol
[04:44] <eagles0513875> lol later guys
[04:44] <Hobbsee> oh nice
[04:45] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: later
[04:45] <Hobbsee> cya
[04:50] <mrsno> lattyware didn't say if it worked :<
[04:51] <Lattyware> No luck. Here is my Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/d3c2a0f0d
[04:52] <Lattyware> Anyone got any ideas as to why it is not working?
[04:52] <mrsno> wb :)
[04:53] <Lattyware> huh, 1.0-9755? Are you sure that's a high enough version to support 8600s?
[04:53] <mrsno> Lattyware and the pcid is definately correct? from lspci  / lspci -v
[04:53] <Lattyware> yeah
[04:53] <mrsno> Lattyware it was updated to support the 8800 series, the 8600 is actually newer (even thou its lower spec) in terms of driver support
[04:53] <mrsno> so it looks like maybe nvidia-glx-new is no good :<
[04:54] <Lattyware> :/ great
[04:54] <mrsno> one sec gonna check launchpad
[04:54] <Lattyware> from lspic: 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7600 GS]  (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA] ) and 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0400 (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA] )
[04:56] <mrsno> bug 120943
[04:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120943 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "Update nvidia-glx-new package to latest 100 series driver" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120943
[04:56] <mrsno> that doesn't help you now unfortunately
[04:56] <Lattyware> yeah
[04:56] <mrsno> so i would aptitude remove nvidia-glx-new
[04:57] <mrsno> then aptitude install build-essential and try the nvidia.com .run file
[04:57] <mrsno> but you mentioned that caused a problem?
[04:57] <Lattyware> yeah
[04:57] <Lattyware> I'll try again
[04:57] <Lattyware> and give you the error
[04:57] <Lattyware> I need to remove the restricted package though
[04:57] <Lattyware> don't I
[04:58] <Lattyware> OK, BBS
[05:00] <mrsno> ok
[05:00] <mrsno> dang, 3x different servers, all ubuntu questions but 2 are nvidia and 1 is ati :D
[05:03] <Lattyware> http://pastebin.com/d63848697
[05:04] <Lattyware> My Xorg.0.log
[05:07] <mrsno> Lattyware this is with the latest nvidia.com drivers installed and restarted/X restarted ?
[05:13] <Lattyware> mrsno: YEs
[05:13] <Lattyware> Sorry for the late response
[05:14] <mrsno> Lattyware hmm was the nvidia driver module unloaded and the new one loaded? maybe try a lazy reboot if you are unsure
[05:14] <mrsno> if yes, then maybe submit a bug report to nvidia, i believe a few have already been sent
[05:14] <Lattyware> Great
[05:14] <mrsno> as per http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=46678
[05:14] <Lattyware> I might have to go back to kubuntu gutsy
[05:14] <Lattyware> I just got sick of KDE
[05:14] <Lattyware> I mean, I hate KDE, but the apps are better designed.
[05:15] <Lattyware> in my opinion.
[05:15] <mrsno> kde has some nice apps yes
[05:15] <mrsno> but you can use kde apps in other window environments so if disk space isn't a problem :-)
[05:15] <Lattyware> Anyway, I'll try a reboot
[05:15] <Lattyware> yeah
[05:15] <Lattyware> 1.45TB here :P
[05:15] <Lattyware> I just hate mixing - it feels dirty :P
[05:34] <roe> has the compiz.real crashing been discussed here at all?
[07:02] <PriceChild> ah wow
[07:02] <PriceChild> in software sources, it can do a load of tests to find the fastest server for your repositories
[07:07] <devang> hey I think supertux should be preinstalled in gusty
[07:07] <lemo> why?
[07:08] <lemo> it's not that hard to install after
[07:08] <devang> because there's other games installed
[07:08] <devang> but not many people know about supertux
[07:08] <devang> yet every person i've showed it to has become addicted to it
[07:09] <lemo> well.. dunno
[07:10] <devang> or at least include a list of games with their descriptions?
[07:10] <lemo> yeah, maybe you should write a bug report about it?
[07:11] <devang> bug report?
[07:11] <devang> it's not really a bug more like a suggestion lol
[07:12] <Zelut> anyone else have a b0rken firefox since last nite?
[07:12] <mikkael> on an updated kubuntu installation, how do i turn dolphin into the default filemanager ?
[07:12] <lemo> devang: i guess launchpad.net allows you to file a bug as a suggestion
[07:12] <devang> okay
[07:12] <lemo> other bug-tools allow it
[07:22] <Vuen> okay, "blackle"? has anyone else heard of this?
[07:22] <Vuen> this hippy energy saving movement is WAY out of hand
[07:24] <Vuen> am i the only person on earth who just plain doesn't care about energy conservation
[07:24] <Vuen> ?
[07:25] <devang> Vuen: yes
[07:25] <devang> lol
[07:25] <devang> Well you and the baby boomers..
[07:26] <lazka> hi, is there a news-feed for all package updates somewhere?
[07:26] <Vuen> oops. i thought i was in -offtopic
[07:26] <Vuen> that explains the lack of discussion
[07:29] <lazka> ok, think i got it: http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss/gutsy.xml   ... if anyone is interessted
[08:15] <shirish> does anybody know how to enable indian language input in gutsy?
[08:34] <crackerbox> quick question... is there a way to convert a bash script to a binary?
[08:36] <mrsno> this channel is for gutsy talk really crackerbox , please ask in #ubuntu
[08:36] <crackerbox> hi MrSno
[08:36] <mrsno> hey
[08:37] <crackerbox> can i msg you really quick?
[08:37] <mrsno> sure
[08:38] <masterloki> firefox crashes when trying to dl a .torrent - gonna see  if it crashes downloading other stuff
[08:38] <mendred> hi a couple of days back my gutsy update seems to have broken openoffice..problem similar to as described in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=508095
[08:38] <mendred> is there a fix to this yet?
[08:38] <masterloki> anyone know anything about that? with a couple tests - i downgraded firefox a bit - perhaps its not firefox perse but another package displaying the popup box?
[08:39] <masterloki> !paste
[08:39] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:39] <mrsno> mendred upgrade should sort it now, its not happening here at least
[08:39] <mrsno> i remember people talking about it, i hadn't experienced or upgraded openoffice when it happened though
[08:39] <masterloki> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31578/  <<--- what happens in the terminal
[08:41] <mrsno> mendred https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org2/+bug/127944
[08:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127944 in openoffice.org2 "[gutsy] Open Office applications don't start " [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[08:41] <mendred> mrsno:  thanks
[08:46] <crackerbox> mrsno, did you get my msg?
[08:46] <mrsno> yes crackerbox and i replied
[08:47] <crackerbox> hmm... its not displaying
[08:47] <crackerbox> could you reply in #ubuntu?
[08:48] <masterloki> yeah firefox crashes whenever i try to click a linky that automakes it dl something
[08:53] <masterloki> same issue in firefox grandparadiso - but not in epiphany ;_;
[08:54] <crackerbox> thanks for your help mrsno :)
[08:54] <mrsno> np
[09:07] <databuddy> what driver should i be using for the 946gz chipset? for the vid drivers?
[09:07] <databuddy> the i810 driver or the intel?
[09:09] <crdlb> databuddy, on gutsy, intel
[09:09] <databuddy> oo mebbie thats part of the problem ;P
[09:09] <crdlb> it's a newer version of the i810 driver
[09:09] <databuddy> also i wasnt specifying the onboard ram amount - and looking in the Xorg.log i saw its allocating via xorg like 12MB which is WAY off lol
[09:11] <databuddy> big lockups with extra effects on etc - can usually ssh in via another machine tho ;)
[09:14] <databuddy> hm tried that crdlb makes my max resolution only 1152x864 - any ideas?
[09:27] <Nergar> hello
[09:27] <Nergar> what happened to restricted drivers manager in tribe 3?
[09:29] <databuddy> mm
[09:33] <Nergar> ???
[09:33] <Nergar> i can't find it
[09:34] <databuddy> i dont know actually.
[09:34] <Nergar> :[
[09:52] <BluesKaj> I'm getting this error "Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) " after upgrading to Gutsy
[10:02] <AnRkey> why does compizconfig setting manager not use names for animations anymore, it has numbers now?
[10:10] <geser> AnRkey: I guess it needs an I update. I've seen this too after the last compiz update
[10:10] <AnRkey> geser, so it's not going to stay that way? i hope not
[10:10] <geser> BluesKaj: can you pastebin the lines before that one?
[10:10] <AnRkey> it's awful
[10:11] <geser> yes, I hope there will be an update soon
[10:11] <geser> but you can file a bug about it (if none exists yet)
[10:12] <databuddy> forgive the ins and outs - tracking down some issues with X ;)
[10:19] <databuddy> ok yeah my issue with compiz fusion has to be when im doing the --replace from compiz to metacity - thats when the screen freezes
[10:19] <databuddy> i can loginto my compy via ssh from roomates and restart gdm and its fine again - and it keeps the settings that i set at that time so yeh
[10:20] <databuddy> going from metacity
[10:20] <databuddy> to compiz seems to be no problem somehow.
[10:24] <keram> hell
[10:24] <keram> o
[10:25] <keram> has anyone had any problems with sleep?
[10:25] <asisak> yes
[10:25] <keram> when i resume from sleep the whole screen is really dark and the only remedy is a reboot
[10:25] <asisak> I can't get enough... :)
[10:25] <keram> heh
[10:25] <asisak> Sorry. So do you mean monitor power saving mode?
[10:25] <keram> something like that
[10:26] <keram> is there a way to fix that?
[10:27] <asisak> Check if this issue has already been reported.
[10:27] <asisak> If not, file a bug.
[10:27] <asisak> You are also welcome to investigate further or fix it, if you can
[10:29] <keram> where can i check?
[10:29] <asisak> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[10:29] <asisak> !filebug
[10:29] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[10:30] <keram> bugs in wishes?
[10:31] <asisak> keram: that is "bugs in" / "wishes for" -- only concerning ubotu, the bot
[10:32] <keram> oh
[10:33] <keram> what is the bug "microsoft has majority market share"?
[10:33] <asisak> # 1
[10:33] <asisak> bug 1
[10:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[10:33] <keram> oh nvm i didnt see description
[10:35] <devang> I like to think of it more like.. terrorists are actually aiming for microsoft their just bad at geography
[10:37] <keram> when it says status confirmed does that mean it has been fixed?
[10:46] <asisak> keram: no. Have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage if you are interested.
[11:12] <databuddy> !wine
[11:12] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[11:58] <AnRkey> what packages should I install for compiz in gutsy for it to have the latest stuff?
[12:00] <keram> it comes with the latest stuff :] 
[12:00] <keram> just go to appearances
[12:01] <keram> although you can install compizconfig-settings-manager which gives u an interface to enable some features that arent enabled by default
[12:09] <AnRkey> keram k
[12:09] <AnRkey> thanks
[12:09] <lontra> how can i get the gusty kubuntu wallpaper?  i'm running debian sid
[12:09] <lontra> i tried dpkg -x on the the kubuntu-desktop .deb
[12:17] <lontra> what package contains the kubuntu artwork?
[12:19] <jmg> art.ubuntu.com
[12:20] <Pici> aptitude search artwork