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gnomefreakscotth: get the latest updates that seemed to have fixed the issue here (same as yours)12:30
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jdthas anyone experienced an issue with OpenOffice on Kubuntu+1 where it simply does not load?12:32
asisakjdt: Hobbsee is an expert of this :)12:33
asisakjdt: some people are experiencing it, some are not12:34
asisakmaybe depends on kubuntu vs. ubuntu as well12:34
jdtasisak: sweet, hopefully he is online.. Ooo worked fine for me originally, but after updating at some point about 2 days ago it broke...12:34
asisakjdt: *she* is not online ATM12:35
jdtasisak: Thats probably fortunate given my last statement :)..    Do you have any pointers on where to look to fix?12:36
asisakSorry, I don't really understand what happens. Seems to be GTK-related.12:36
asisakBut neither me nor others seem to have time to investigate it so far...12:36
jdtok, thanks12:37
asisakjdt: np12:37
jdtIm sure a fix will roll through at some point.12:37
jdtasisak: thankyou12:37
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masterloki!gutsy6401:35
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about gutsy64 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:35
masterloki!gutsy01:35
ubotuGutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+101:35
RAOFmasterloki: What are you after?01:36
masterlokiRAOF, 64bit gutsy installer found it01:37
masterlokiamd64 is only 64bit installer correct?01:37
masterlokibtw RAOF how broken is gutsy64bit vs 32bit ?01:38
masterloki<3 axel01:38
RAOFUm, I'm not really sure what you're asking.  If you want a 64bit install (on an amd64 or appropriate intel chip), then that's the installer for you.01:39
RAOFBroken?  Exactly as broken.01:39
masterlokiperfect01:39
masterlokiive found the 32bit to be quite functional :D01:39
PiciI would think that any 64bit specific issues would be pretty low level01:39
RAOFThe 64bit build has never really been significantly more or less broken, at least for the past couple of releases.01:40
masterlokiawesome - still doing the firefox-32 package?01:40
masterlokior something like? to get flash etc working correctly without wine?01:40
RAOFPici: Actually, there are some issues that only appear in i386, not amd64 ;)01:40
RAOFmasterloki: You can install gnash01:40
masterlokignash? @_@01:41
masterlokistandalone only or embeded too?01:41
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RAOFThe GNU free flash player.  Both.01:41
Pici!gnash | masterloki01:43
ubotumasterloki: An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/01:43
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masterlokity Pici01:45
masterlokioo very promissing01:46
RAOFmasterloki: Current status in gutsy includes youtube :)(01:49
masterlokiRAOF, purrrfect :>01:50
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masterlokiram test went well01:50
masterlokitested 5 full rounds at full speed correct timings dual channel in 3 hrs [2 1gig sticks] 01:51
masterlokihehe this is gonna be fun01:51
masterlokiunfortunately i had to move hdd's to controller card.01:51
knixif only that always worked :(01:51
knixI can run my ram at a full ddr2-800 at like 3-3-3-6 for 16 hours in memtest8601:52
masterlokiand i cant seem to get em to boot - even with changing fstab stuff so gonna reinstall gutsy and hope that fixes things [with a little creative fstab editing on the other installs] 01:52
masterlokiknix, nice01:52
knixBut the box will reboot in liek 10 seconds once you load up an OS :F01:52
masterlokiwth?01:52
masterlokiwhat chipset?01:52
knix965p01:52
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masterloki946gz here01:52
masterlokibut im running at ddr2 667 5-5-5-1501:53
knixwhat cpu?01:53
masterlokiwhich is max rated on board - went to kingston site and found a 1gig stick that was rated for this mobo and then grabbed a paired kit with two of em in it01:53
masterlokid946gzis mobo / pentium e2160 [dual 1.8Ghz]  / 2gigs kingston paired01:54
masterlokikept hdd's and opticals01:54
knixnice01:54
masterlokiyeah once i get gutsy going i'll probably try a gentoo install on one of the partitions01:54
masterlokior mebbie a lfs01:54
knixhaha01:54
masterlokibut not till i get sensors in and running and put load on sucker watching temps01:55
masterlokii'd rather not push too hard till im sure that itl take it in this case with this cpu fan01:55
masterlokietc01:55
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masterloki;_;01:55
knixI'm, sure you're fine01:55
knixI have an E642001:55
knixAnd I can OC it from stock 2.13 to 3.2 by simply uping the bus to full 400mhz01:56
knixstock voltage and everything01:56
masterlokidoes have the intel exaust in it so thats good - moved a 90mm over from one of my old cases, and have 2 spare 80mm's to toss in tho it can only use one... tho im considering screwing to outside of the case over the intel output thingier01:56
knixNever seen it above 40C01:56
masterlokinice01:56
masterlokivery nice actually01:56
masterloki;)01:56
knixIt can go a lot higher01:56
masterlokiok burn done bb in like 3001:56
knixI just don't want to oc my ram01:57
knixor buy more expensive sticks :P01:57
masterlokiyeah01:57
masterlokiyeah01:57
masterloki102 delivered for mine - not bad01:57
masterlokii wanted to get single 2gig stick and then get another later but  meh01:57
knixI got 4x1g01:57
masterlokiif im investing that much in the system i'll build me a quad later - like next year01:57
masterlokinice01:57
masterlokiok bbiaw ^^01:57
knixbye01:57
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pimp31415ok i lied im back :>02:05
pimp31415ooo extra desktop effects via cd works great ;)02:06
pimp31415lets see if it hangs on manual partitioning02:07
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pimp31415oo awesome works here ;)02:09
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pimp31415well02:18
pimp31415~15 min to install - impressive ;)02:19
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masterlokiw94erfhq234987hr02:22
masterlokiok knix or anyone02:22
masterlokigot the d946gzis mobo by intel and i got a ide controller card in there - and its not being picked up to boot from!02:22
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ulysses_does anybody know why easytag has no more mp3 support on gutsy?02:46
ulysses_and flac neither..02:47
ulysses_ok, just read on launchpad...02:48
crimsun127345.02:49
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masterlokiok03:09
masterlokiim having super hard time getting the bios to detect hdd's on controller card.03:09
masterlokiplease any ideas??03:09
snadgeis compiz fusion in gutsy at the moment?03:11
Picisnadge: yes.03:11
snadgeim tempted to try the tribe 3 install .. but im put off by the dpkg and dependencies warning in the topic03:12
snadgei have a bit of experience with that03:12
snadgeim wondering if i can at least get a semi workable system out of it with compiz03:12
snadgeor if i should just be patient03:13
masterlokiits mostly not bad03:14
masterlokiif you have an extra parition that is03:14
snadgei want to actually help though.. imo desktop effects regressed between edgy and feisty (mostly ati's fault.. but also beryl package is broken)03:15
crimsunberyl is obsolete.03:15
snadgeyes i realise this now.. but what im _hoping_ is that gutsy will have a good go of being able to do the effects with compiz fusion03:16
DanaGHmm, one issue I one ran into:03:16
snadgeno matter if you have nvidia or ati.. and in the case of ati, if you're using fglrx or radeon03:16
DanaGA system would stall at the BIOS drive-detect screen for roughly 30 seconds, and once I tried booting the livecd, it died with some unexpected status on one IDE port.03:17
DanaGIt turned out that the single drive was set to Master With Slave, not Master (Single Drive).03:17
DanaGIf it's an IDE drive, that may be good to check; otherwise, it won't apply, of course.03:17
crimsunthat's more appropriately a bios issue.03:18
crimsunit's very difficult if not highly improbable to work around every one of those.03:18
crimsunsure, you could munge it into libata, but that would be insane.03:18
snadgeis anyone using compiz with fglrx and xgl? is the xgl obsoleted? i have had trouble finding this out .. esp before i try gutsy03:20
snadgeit'd be REALLY nice if ati added the composite extension to their driver.. they have been paying lip service to this for ages :/03:20
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DanaGOh yeah, the one thing that might possibly make sense: If you find a master and stall on finding a slave, with the same sort of return value, print a message like "Can't find slave; Perhaps check jumper settings?".  Would that be reasonable?03:31
crimsunyou're changing driver semantics; that could be highly problematic.03:32
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snadgenot that its relevant.. but does the same machine boot into windows?03:36
snadgeor anything else? if it doesnt.. its not really reasonable to expect ubuntu to03:37
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snadgeif the answer is yes.. then i agree, it should print a warning and continue booting at least03:37
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DanaGOr print a warning and still fail.03:39
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DanaGThe thing was, it just stopped there, with no indication other than "Unexpected status <something> on channel".03:39
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jmgmy compiz went away :(05:06
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jmghow do i reenable it?05:07
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jmg:/05:16
jmg:(05:18
Toma-Alt F2 ---> 'compiz --replace'05:20
Toma-!info jack05:21
ubotujack: Rip and encode CDs with one command. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.1.1+cvs20050801-14 (gutsy), package size 142 kB, installed size 656 kB05:21
Toma-!info jackd05:21
ubotujackd: JACK Audio Connection Kit (server and example clients). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.103.0-6 (gutsy), package size 92 kB, installed size 360 kB05:21
Toma-!info libasound2-plugins05:24
ubotulibasound2-plugins: ALSA library additional plugins. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.14-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 101 kB, installed size 432 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 alpha amd64 arm armeb armel hppa m32r m68k mips mipsel powerpc ppc64 s390 s390x sh3 sh3eb sh4 sh4eb sparc)05:24
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starzgrah! i blame intell on crappy chipset05:36
starzthen i blame me for buying cheeeeeeeap parts05:37
starzanyone know of a good way to install grub to usb stick?05:37
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scotthstarz: I just point grub-install at the device and it does its thing06:02
scotthlast I checked many moons ago06:02
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Zelutcan anyone tell me if wireless will work with gutsy on a macbook, whether via madwifi or ndiswrapper?06:05
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scotthZelut: http://madwifi.org/ticket/1001#comment:17906:08
scotthmay be in gutsy, not sure, don't have a macbook...06:08
ZelutI currently use ndiswrapper as the last I tried with madwifi encryption wasn't supported.06:08
ZelutI'd just like to see if either will work.  I'd like to run/test gutsy, but if wireless will be b0rken thats a bit of a show stopper06:09
scotththat ticket seems to suggest that its fixed and does wpa06:09
scotthit says svn:trunk though.. but it was also back in may06:09
jmgZelut: live cd?06:10
scotthZelut: probably not fixed06:10
Zelutjmg: unfortunately the cd drive is in need of repair.06:11
scotthits tagged as 0.9.4 and gutsy only has 0.9.306:11
Zelutjmg: once I get back from OSCON I'm bringing it in, I'm just impatient :)06:11
scotthZelut: no bugs about it in launchpad, you may want to bug it to make sure gutsy ships with 0.9.406:14
Zelutsounds like someone needs to take the plunge and get all the macbook bugs ironed before release.06:14
ZelutI guess that gets to be me06:15
scotthcongrats06:15
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scotthhopefully I will soon be enjoying the fruits of your labor06:15
Zeluthere goes.  gksudo update-manager -c -d a smart way, or good 'ol aptitude upgrade/dist-upgrade?06:17
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scotthI would assume update-manager would do the best...06:19
Zelutok06:19
scotthIve been with gutsy since day 1 though... so I haven't tested update manager06:19
Hobbseescotth: day 1?06:20
Hobbseescotth: that's...insane06:20
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scotthHobbsee: I'm never comfortable unless something on my system is a little broken06:20
Hobbseescotth: no, but while the toolchain is still being built is...06:21
scotthHobbsee: I don't remember it being bad...06:22
scotthHobbsee: Ive done it on every release since breezy06:22
scotthHobbsee: I do have a backup system that I use when things get bad.. in fact breezy was the worst time that I had06:22
Hobbseestill crazy :)06:23
Hobbseei mena, there's nothing to do06:23
scotthyes... I am06:23
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starzok compiz fuzion06:26
starztell me moar06:26
starzhow do i control all the effects?06:26
scotthstarz: compizconfig-settings-manager06:28
scotthI highly recommend the desktop wall over the desktop cube06:29
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masterlokii'm having some issuesI was driected here by a friend and I need some help07:57
stdinyou have to as the question before anyone can answer it08:01
masterlokiok08:02
masterlokiI'm running gusty and I ran the lastest update this morning is anyone else having problems08:05
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Hobbseemasterloki: all that we've learned so far is that you're awful at actually asking useful questions, and getting across what you need.08:05
stdinwell gutsy isn't classed as "stable" yet, I'm sure there are a few people having "problems"08:06
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Hobbseemasterloki: all that we've learned so far is that you're awful at actually asking useful questions, and getting across what you need.08:06
Hobbseestdin: indeed.  and with my magic wand, i fix them all....08:06
Hobbseewithout having a clue what they are.08:06
stdinwow, I want a magic want that can do that :p08:07
stdinebay? ;)08:07
masterlokiyes I know it is hard for me to expian thing08:07
masterlokiI will try08:07
masterlokiok08:07
Hobbseestdin: good luck :P08:08
masterlokiI really don't know what I did to my I reconfigered my xorg and now can't get anything to work on my desktop08:09
masterlokilike I can't run off compix08:10
stdinyou have nvidia/ati?08:10
masterlokiati08:10
masterlokimy friend is going to take mr to get a new card satruday08:11
stdindo you have the binary driver too?08:11
masterlokinvidia08:11
masterlokino I've not grab it from them08:12
stdinmasterloki: who's "them" ?08:12
masterlokiI have the Ati 9200 vid card08:12
masterlokithem :) {ati}08:13
stdinyou don't download the driver from ati, you use the packages in ubuntu08:13
masterlokido you mean the figlrx08:14
stdinyes08:14
RAOFYou also don't use the fglrx driver at all, it's crap and you don't need to.08:14
masterloki in my xorg I 'm use the Ati driver08:14
stdinmasterloki: you say it stopped working _after_ you reconfigured your xorg?08:15
masterlokiyes08:16
Zeluti hope you made a backup..08:17
stdinmasterloki: when you do that there is always a backup made in /etc/X11/ , it'll be called something like xorg.conf.20070726213259 (the number has the date and time in it)08:17
masterlokiI had dusl going but with the card I have beryl and compix would not work well on my 2nd monitor08:18
masterlokiI made the backup it was for duals08:18
crdlbyes you're limited to 2048x2048, it's a hardware limitation08:18
masterlokiI see08:19
masterlokiso i should reinstall the xorg file back08:20
stdinyes, restore the backup08:21
masterlokiok08:21
masterlokiaslo my friend said than beryl is pretty much broken in gusty08:23
RAOFmasterloki: That's because beryl is dead, and Compiz fusion (the beryl plugins ported to compiz) is installed & enabled by default in Gutsy08:24
masterlokidose that mean I don't have to use the beryl manager08:28
RAOFIndeed it does.08:31
stdinyou use compiz now, you'll need to remove beryl first08:32
RAOFWell, no.08:32
RAOFNot actually.08:32
masterlokiraof masterlokis roomie here lets see if we can unzoom this thing lol08:32
masterlokiok just needed to check the compiz.real crash report to unlock this time turning extra effects off08:32
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masterlokihey thanks for the help it worked09:02
RAOFGreat09:03
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masterlokihowever my roomate had to help out as well09:05
masterlokiI am a little new to linux ubuntu09:06
masterlokijust need to learn more about it09:06
masterlokiand I have to learn it09:07
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DanaGHmm, lately flash videos have been pausing when the tab in Firefox is not focused, or when I've scrolled beyond the flash banner.09:45
DanaGIs that a bug, or a feature?  I currently think it can be interpreted as the latter.09:45
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Masterkonghiya10:20
Masterkongjust did an aptiutude upgrade and now gnome wont start10:20
Masterkonghow about that?10:21
Masterkonghello?10:21
MasterkongR you all asleap?10:22
jussi01Masterkong: patience, this channel is usually dead for a couple of hours yet..10:22
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jussi01there are a few of us awake...10:22
jussi01Masterkong: have you tried startx?10:23
Masterkonghmm.. did that now10:24
Masterkonginteresting10:24
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Masterkongfatal server error: caught signal 11. server aborting10:25
jussi01Masterkong: ok, so its dieing...10:25
jussi01hmm10:25
Masterkongstrange.. cause gdm boot sup10:25
jussi01Im sorry, I have no idea how to fix that10:26
Masterkongmaybe i should just try to reconfig x10:26
jussi01Masterkong: true. give it a go10:28
Masterkongthat did it10:28
Masterkongstrange10:28
DanaGBack up xorg.conf first.10:28
Masterkongtoo late danag10:28
Masterkongalready reconfigured and working :)10:29
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Masterkongi'll be back in a jiffy.. just need to quit this wretched weechat and go back xchat10:29
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Masterkongframebuffer mode seem totally screwed nowadays10:38
Masterkongi tried, while i did my console exploring, that framebuffer vesamodes didnt work at all10:39
Masterkonghmm i actually chosed nv when i reconfigged10:40
Masterkongthat was wrong10:40
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Ramunashello, I have a question about Gutsy10:44
Masterkongwhat download managers for x do you recommend?10:44
Ramunaswill there finally be a way to add new screen resolutions via GUI?10:44
Masterkongor should i just use wget?10:44
Ramunasas a lot of new users keep bugging me that they have to use terminal for that10:44
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sF|huge problem with fglrx and gutsy :O11:11
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sF|X boot ends to black screen freeze11:11
sF|:<11:11
Masterkongme thinks i like wget11:13
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Masterkongif i need to reboot.. next time i startup i guess i just need to use the -c option and i'm good to go right?11:15
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sF|does somebody have working xorg 7.3 + fglrx ?11:25
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PriceChild*doesn't like the new tree view in xchat*01:06
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IdleOnetreeview should also be resizable01:18
IdleOnelike the nicklist01:18
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SeveredCrossAnyone here know how to make the switch from ipw3495 to iwlwifi?01:41
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SeveredCrossWhat the hell do I have to do to maintain control of my own fans?03:49
SeveredCrossi8kfan sets them for about 30 seconds before something else resets them.03:49
eagles0513875SeveredCross: ? i dont get ur question03:51
SeveredCrossI have a laptop.03:51
SeveredCrossAnd it has 2 fans.03:51
SeveredCrossIt's a Dell Inspiron E1705.03:51
SeveredCrossThe i8kfan utility works, and it sets the fans to the speed I want for all of 5 seconds, sometimes as long as 30 seconds,03:51
SeveredCrossAfter that, they immediately change to some other speed.03:51
eagles0513875ur on gutsy right03:52
SeveredCrossYep.03:52
eagles0513875do u have a cooling pad just to subsidies that utility03:52
SeveredCrossErr....No?03:52
eagles0513875i would get one of thsoe and also i would submit a bug report03:53
SeveredCrossI just want the fans to run on full speed, since my laptop runs a whole lot hotter on Linux.03:53
eagles0513875thats weird03:53
SeveredCross~50C right now.03:53
SeveredCrossIt is hella strange.03:53
eagles0513875im 41c but i have a cooling pad03:53
eagles0513875what kinda processor u got03:53
SeveredCrossCore Duo03:54
SeveredCross2 Ghz.03:54
SeveredCrossGenerally sits at 1 Ghz though, hardly ever goes to 2.03:54
eagles0513875im not sure how hot those can get before u have problems03:54
SeveredCross80C or so.03:54
eagles0513875is ur monitor an lcd bright screen monitor03:54
SeveredCrossYep.03:54
eagles0513875there is the heat issue right there03:55
eagles0513875my monitor generates alot of heat that actually is the core of the heat for my machine03:55
SeveredCrossYeah but it ran fine under Windows.03:55
SeveredCrossColder anyway.03:55
eagles0513875i have a cooling pad though03:55
eagles0513875that helps keep it cooler03:55
eagles0513875also u dont have to worry about clearence issues between the bottom of ur machine and the surface its on03:56
eagles0513875SeveredCross: i would honestly report that as a bug03:57
eagles0513875is ur core due 64bit capable03:57
SeveredCrossNope.03:58
SeveredCrossIt's one of the first Core Duo's, Yonah class.03:58
eagles0513875i thought all the newer processors were both 32 and 64 bit03:58
eagles0513875im going to download that program ur using and seeing if i get the same issue and then ill link u to the bug that ive submitted or uve submitted and ill confirm it in the 64 bit version which means there is a bug for both versions04:00
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eagles0513875SeveredCross: have u tried to compile that program from source04:01
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SeveredCrossi8kfan?04:01
SeveredCrossThere's no use, I don't think it's being developed anymore.04:01
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eagles0513875SeveredCross: it worth trying compiling from source cuz it might be just a bug in the already compiled pkg04:02
eagles0513875SeveredCross: is that the name of th epkg04:06
SeveredCrossi8kutils is the package in Ubuntu.04:06
SeveredCrossSorry, reading up ons ome stuff.04:06
eagles0513875ahhh ok ty04:07
eagles0513875is it different in kubuntu04:07
SeveredCrossNope, shouldn't be.04:07
eagles0513875i cant find it using cli04:07
SeveredCrossbojanr@sirius:/proc/acpi$ aptitude search i8k04:07
SeveredCrossp   gkrellm-i8k                     - Dell Inspiron and Latitude module for GKre04:07
SeveredCrossid  i8kutils                        - utilities for Dell Inspiron and Latitude l04:07
SeveredCrossbojanr@sirius:/proc/acpi$04:07
eagles0513875SeveredCross: ur using ubuntu im guessing04:08
SeveredCrossYep.04:09
eagles0513875that could be the issue right there im on kubuntu04:09
Hobbseedo you need i8kutils at all?04:09
SeveredCrossShouldn't matter, package names won't be different.04:09
Hobbseesarah@LongPointyStick:~$ policy i8kutils04:10
Hobbseei8kutils:04:10
Hobbsee  Installed: (none)04:10
Hobbsee  Candidate: 1.2704:10
eagles0513875Hobbsee: hey Hobbsee severed was having a bug with it all i wanted to do was confirm and since im on a laptop too it would be handy to have04:10
Hobbseedell 6400, works fine here.04:10
eagles0513875i have a compaq pesario r4012us lol if that makes any difference04:10
Hobbseeeagles0513875: it's not a dell, and if you look at the aptitude serach output there, you'll notice it only refers to dell laptops.04:11
eagles0513875oh04:11
Hobbseehence the question is to SeveredCross04:11
eagles0513875oh04:11
eagles0513875Hobbsee: is their anything like that for any kinda laptop04:11
Hobbseeshouldnt need to be04:12
SeveredCrossActually, I don't know if I do really need i8kutils.04:12
SeveredCrossIt's just funny how hot the damn thing gets.04:12
Hobbseeit's not even in main, so not installed by default04:12
SeveredCrossI know the fans could spin up a lot harder under Windows, so I'm curious.04:12
eagles0513875SeveredCross: if u get a cooling pad you will be fine04:12
HobbseeSeveredCross: i'd try purging it, and rebooting.  i think there were reports on screwing up the system.04:12
SeveredCrossi8kutils?04:12
HobbseeSeveredCross: there was certainly some talk on it04:12
Hobbseeyes04:12
SeveredCrossWill do.04:12
SeveredCrossOnly thing is I lose controol of the fans. Oh well.04:13
SeveredCrossI didn't really have any anyway.04:13
HobbseeSeveredCross: that's what i'm thinking04:13
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SeveredCrossMine work, but I feel like they're not strong enough...My PC gets up to 60C without even touching 2 GHz.04:14
SeveredCrossBleh.04:14
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eagles0513875SeveredCross: i would first try a cooling pad and see what that does i bet it would easily bring back down to 50 or so04:14
eagles0513875Hobbsee: im really in a mood for debugging i dont know why04:14
SeveredCrossThe load's a bit high, because I'm running a fairly intensive Wine program.04:15
PiciTheres a similar issue with the acpi-thinkpad/ibm module.04:15
SeveredCrossSadly one that has no comparable native replacement.04:15
eagles0513875SeveredCross: what is it if u dont mind me asking04:15
SeveredCrossThe only thing that's comparable is heavily broken and development is all but progressing.04:15
SeveredCrosseMule04:15
Hobbseeeagles0513875: i'd suggest actually trying the one that he can implemetn now first, rather than going out and buying a cooling pad, which may not fix the problem04:15
SeveredCrossaMule is comparable, but is really pretty broken04:15
SeveredCrossAnd far behind.04:15
eagles0513875SeveredCross: have u tried torrenting04:16
SeveredCrossYes, and a lot of stuff I want is not even on any torrent sites.04:16
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eagles0513875Hobbsee: true but it could be a clearence issue too04:16
SeveredCrossSo torrents don't work for me.04:16
eagles0513875amule is worthless04:16
Hobbseeeagles0513875: it could, but most of the time it's fine.  it's more likely to be the i8... stuff.04:16
SeveredCrossIt's not a clearance issue, I prop the bloody thing up on something if I'm not near my little stand thing.04:16
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eagles0513875then im agreeing wiht Hobbsee on this one its probly the i8 stuff04:17
SeveredCrossIt may well be.04:17
SeveredCrossI'll reboot once my downloads slow down, they're flying high right now.04:17
pejhow do i change the amount of workspaces in gutsy?04:17
eagles0513875pej: open up system settings and open the desktop setting04:18
Hobbseeeagles0513875: likely ubuntu04:18
Hobbseeeagles0513875: if it was kubuntu, he wouldnt have to ask - he'd be able to find it04:18
eagles0513875Hobbsee: ok ill be quiet now04:18
pejeagles0513875: im not seeing any desktop setting04:19
eagles0513875pej: ur using ubuntu04:19
pejeagles0513875: correct04:19
eagles0513875pej: sry i assumed u were using kubuntu im trying to remember where it is in ubuntu ive played around with ubuntu but not as much as i have with kubuntu04:20
Picipej: right click on workplace switcher, preferences, number of workspaces is in that dialog.04:20
Hobbseeit'll be in the compiz config thingy04:20
Hobbseei'd expect04:20
pejPici: it used to be, but it isn't anymore04:20
pejall im seeing is "show only the current workspace" and "show all workspaces in N rows"04:21
Picipej: Do you have desktop effects enabled?04:22
pejPici: yeah. does that matter?04:23
Hobbseeyes, because your window manager changed.04:23
Picipej: Yes. I would think you'd have to use ccsm to make the changes.04:23
pejright04:24
eagles0513875Hobbsee: anything for testing04:25
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eagles0513875Hobbsee: let me know when u have something ill be more than happy to help ya test it out04:26
Hobbseek04:27
eagles0513875Hobbsee: what good debuggin programs are available in the repositories04:27
SeveredCrossHobbsee: While you're here, have you heard anything on the grapevine about X color issues when using FGLRX?04:29
HobbseeSeveredCross: not apart from "avoid ATI"04:30
SeveredCrossLike after a screen blank, X just goes absolutely bloody nuts and the colors end up insane.04:30
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SeveredCrossYeah, I have to use it because of my card.04:30
SeveredCrossMobility Radeon X1400, not supported by the opensource driver04:30
SeveredCrossThough I think it may be something in the latest ATI driver that's borked, since I don't recall having the issue with the driver out of the repos...Maybe I'll revert when I get a chance.04:30
SeveredCrossRight now, time to sleep.04:31
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eagles0513875SeveredCross: u tryign to enable open gl04:31
SeveredCrossNope, acceleration is fine..04:31
SeveredCrossDidn't you read what I said?04:31
SeveredCrossI have color issues...04:31
SeveredCrossNot GL issues.04:31
SeveredCrossThe open source driver flat out doesn't work, not GL doesn't work.04:31
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eagles0513875SeveredCross: i end up to a degree having to hack the xorg.conf04:32
SeveredCrossI've never had issues getting OpenGL to work.04:32
eagles0513875and mine is a radeon xpress 200m04:32
SeveredCrossMost of the time it's been as simple as installing FGLRX and rebooting.04:32
SeveredCrossAnyway, bathroom and bed.04:32
eagles0513875SeveredCross: have a good night dude04:32
PiciI'm running with fglrx and I've never had a color issue.04:32
PiciI have a x1400 too.04:32
eagles0513875me neither04:32
eagles0513875but im runnign a radeon xpress 20004:33
eagles0513875m04:33
eagles0513875Pici: urs worked out of the box04:33
Hobbsee!u | eagles051387504:34
ubotueagles0513875: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..04:34
Picieagles0513875: No. I did a lot of tweaking to get it to work properly.04:34
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mrsnohi Lattyware04:35
LattywareHey all, I'm having a problem. I'm trying to install the nVidia drivers into a fresh install of Gutsy tribe 3 (pretty sure Gutsy has nothing to do with it), and I'm getting this error:  No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:4:0:0) found - despite the fact I added a device section with that BusID. (I have two graphics cards)04:35
Lattywarehey04:35
mrsnocan you explain 'how' you are installing the nvidia drivers? what happens when you enable the restricted driver from the gui ?04:35
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LattywareI'm not, I'm doing it manually. I have to, one of my two cards is an 8-series.04:36
Hobbseeeagles0513875: the only type of beatings i do are kickbans.04:36
eagles0513875:(04:36
Lattyware have to use the latest drivers to get it to work.04:36
eagles0513875Hobbsee: u going to ban :(04:36
mrsnoLattyware the restricted drivers should install nvidia-glx-new for you, to make the 8800 card work04:36
Lattywarereally?04:36
mrsnoif they install nvidia-glx, then try manually aptitude install nvidia-glx-new04:36
LattywareWell, I never tried the restricted manager04:36
mrsnoin feisty some users had to use the nvidia.com drivers (maybe with envy)04:37
mrsnofor the 8800 series, but nvidia-glx-new should work fine04:37
mrsnoif not then we can see about manually installing them yes04:37
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Hobbsee!debug04:38
ubotuFor help debugging your program, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures04:38
LattywareIn fact, where is it?04:38
LattywareIt doesn't appear to be in any of the menus...04:38
HobbseeLattyware: you'll have to install it - it wasnt on the tribe 3 cds04:39
LattywareAh04:39
Hobbsee(which is now fixed)04:39
eagles0513875Hobbsee: ty for the link04:39
Hobbseeeagles0513875: no problem04:39
eagles0513875Hobbsee: your a great asset to have around here04:40
Hobbsee:)04:40
eagles0513875Hobbsee: i mean that and i bet everyone here agrees04:41
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Lattywarehmm, it's downloading nvidia-glx04:41
Lattywarewhich I'm presuming won't work with my 8600GTS04:41
Lattywareso I need to do sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx then sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new - correct?04:42
mrsnoi would use aptitude, but yes that is correct :)04:42
eagles0513875Hobbsee: well im out time to get on my dreaded winblows partition so i can play this one game04:43
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eagles0513875Hobbsee: hopefully i will be getting a free copy of cedega from a friend who has another friend whose bf works for them lol04:44
eagles0513875lol later guys04:44
Hobbseeoh nice04:44
eagles0513875Hobbsee: later04:45
Hobbseecya04:45
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mrsnolattyware didn't say if it worked :<04:50
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LattywareNo luck. Here is my Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/d3c2a0f0d04:51
LattywareAnyone got any ideas as to why it is not working?04:52
mrsnowb :)04:52
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Lattywarehuh, 1.0-9755? Are you sure that's a high enough version to support 8600s?04:53
mrsnoLattyware and the pcid is definately correct? from lspci  / lspci -v04:53
Lattywareyeah04:53
mrsnoLattyware it was updated to support the 8800 series, the 8600 is actually newer (even thou its lower spec) in terms of driver support04:53
mrsnoso it looks like maybe nvidia-glx-new is no good :<04:53
Lattyware:/ great04:54
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mrsnoone sec gonna check launchpad04:54
Lattywarefrom lspic: 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7600 GS]  (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA] ) and 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0400 (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA] )04:54
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mrsnobug 12094304:56
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120943 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "Update nvidia-glx-new package to latest 100 series driver" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12094304:56
mrsnothat doesn't help you now unfortunately04:56
Lattywareyeah04:56
mrsnoso i would aptitude remove nvidia-glx-new04:56
mrsnothen aptitude install build-essential and try the nvidia.com .run file04:57
mrsnobut you mentioned that caused a problem?04:57
Lattywareyeah04:57
LattywareI'll try again04:57
Lattywareand give you the error04:57
LattywareI need to remove the restricted package though04:57
Lattywaredon't I04:57
LattywareOK, BBS04:58
mrsnook05:00
mrsnodang, 3x different servers, all ubuntu questions but 2 are nvidia and 1 is ati :D05:00
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Lattywarehttp://pastebin.com/d6384869705:03
LattywareMy Xorg.0.log05:04
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mrsnoLattyware this is with the latest nvidia.com drivers installed and restarted/X restarted ?05:07
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Lattywaremrsno: YEs05:13
LattywareSorry for the late response05:13
mrsnoLattyware hmm was the nvidia driver module unloaded and the new one loaded? maybe try a lazy reboot if you are unsure05:14
mrsnoif yes, then maybe submit a bug report to nvidia, i believe a few have already been sent05:14
LattywareGreat05:14
mrsnoas per http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=4667805:14
LattywareI might have to go back to kubuntu gutsy05:14
LattywareI just got sick of KDE05:14
LattywareI mean, I hate KDE, but the apps are better designed.05:14
Lattywarein my opinion.05:15
mrsnokde has some nice apps yes05:15
mrsnobut you can use kde apps in other window environments so if disk space isn't a problem :-)05:15
LattywareAnyway, I'll try a reboot05:15
Lattywareyeah05:15
Lattyware1.45TB here :P05:15
LattywareI just hate mixing - it feels dirty :P05:15
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roehas the compiz.real crashing been discussed here at all?05:34
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PriceChildah wow07:02
PriceChildin software sources, it can do a load of tests to find the fastest server for your repositories07:02
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devanghey I think supertux should be preinstalled in gusty07:07
lemowhy?07:07
lemoit's not that hard to install after07:08
devangbecause there's other games installed07:08
devangbut not many people know about supertux07:08
devangyet every person i've showed it to has become addicted to it07:08
lemowell.. dunno07:09
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devangor at least include a list of games with their descriptions?07:10
lemoyeah, maybe you should write a bug report about it?07:10
devangbug report?07:11
devangit's not really a bug more like a suggestion lol07:11
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Zelutanyone else have a b0rken firefox since last nite?07:12
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mikkaelon an updated kubuntu installation, how do i turn dolphin into the default filemanager ?07:12
lemodevang: i guess launchpad.net allows you to file a bug as a suggestion07:12
devangokay07:12
lemoother bug-tools allow it07:12
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Vuenokay, "blackle"? has anyone else heard of this?07:22
Vuenthis hippy energy saving movement is WAY out of hand07:22
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Vuenam i the only person on earth who just plain doesn't care about energy conservation07:24
Vuen?07:24
devangVuen: yes07:25
devanglol07:25
devangWell you and the baby boomers..07:25
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lazkahi, is there a news-feed for all package updates somewhere?07:26
Vuenoops. i thought i was in -offtopic07:26
Vuenthat explains the lack of discussion07:26
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lazkaok, think i got it: http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss/gutsy.xml   ... if anyone is interessted07:29
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shirishdoes anybody know how to enable indian language input in gutsy?08:15
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crackerboxquick question... is there a way to convert a bash script to a binary?08:34
mrsnothis channel is for gutsy talk really crackerbox , please ask in #ubuntu08:36
crackerboxhi MrSno08:36
mrsnohey08:36
crackerboxcan i msg you really quick?08:37
mrsnosure08:37
masterlokifirefox crashes when trying to dl a .torrent - gonna see  if it crashes downloading other stuff08:38
mendredhi a couple of days back my gutsy update seems to have broken openoffice..problem similar to as described in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50809508:38
mendredis there a fix to this yet?08:38
masterlokianyone know anything about that? with a couple tests - i downgraded firefox a bit - perhaps its not firefox perse but another package displaying the popup box?08:38
masterloki!paste08:39
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)08:39
mrsnomendred upgrade should sort it now, its not happening here at least08:39
mrsnoi remember people talking about it, i hadn't experienced or upgraded openoffice when it happened though08:39
masterlokihttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31578/  <<--- what happens in the terminal08:39
mrsnomendred https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org2/+bug/12794408:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 127944 in openoffice.org2 "[gutsy] Open Office applications don't start " [Undecided,Confirmed] 08:41
mendredmrsno:  thanks08:41
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crackerboxmrsno, did you get my msg?08:46
mrsnoyes crackerbox and i replied08:46
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crackerboxhmm... its not displaying08:47
crackerboxcould you reply in #ubuntu?08:47
masterlokiyeah firefox crashes whenever i try to click a linky that automakes it dl something08:48
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masterlokisame issue in firefox grandparadiso - but not in epiphany ;_;08:53
crackerboxthanks for your help mrsno :)08:54
mrsnonp08:54
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databuddywhat driver should i be using for the 946gz chipset? for the vid drivers?09:07
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databuddythe i810 driver or the intel?09:07
crdlbdatabuddy, on gutsy, intel09:09
databuddyoo mebbie thats part of the problem ;P09:09
crdlbit's a newer version of the i810 driver09:09
databuddyalso i wasnt specifying the onboard ram amount - and looking in the Xorg.log i saw its allocating via xorg like 12MB which is WAY off lol09:09
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databuddybig lockups with extra effects on etc - can usually ssh in via another machine tho ;)09:11
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databuddyhm tried that crdlb makes my max resolution only 1152x864 - any ideas?09:14
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Nergarhello09:27
Nergarwhat happened to restricted drivers manager in tribe 3?09:27
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databuddymm09:29
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Nergar???09:33
Nergari can't find it09:33
databuddyi dont know actually.09:34
Nergar:[09:34
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BluesKajI'm getting this error "Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) " after upgrading to Gutsy09:52
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AnRkeywhy does compizconfig setting manager not use names for animations anymore, it has numbers now?10:02
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geserAnRkey: I guess it needs an I update. I've seen this too after the last compiz update10:10
AnRkeygeser, so it's not going to stay that way? i hope not10:10
geserBluesKaj: can you pastebin the lines before that one?10:10
AnRkeyit's awful10:10
geseryes, I hope there will be an update soon10:11
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geserbut you can file a bug about it (if none exists yet)10:11
databuddyforgive the ins and outs - tracking down some issues with X ;)10:12
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databuddyok yeah my issue with compiz fusion has to be when im doing the --replace from compiz to metacity - thats when the screen freezes10:19
databuddyi can loginto my compy via ssh from roomates and restart gdm and its fine again - and it keeps the settings that i set at that time so yeh10:19
databuddygoing from metacity10:20
databuddyto compiz seems to be no problem somehow.10:20
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keramhell10:24
keramo10:24
keramhas anyone had any problems with sleep?10:25
asisakyes10:25
keramwhen i resume from sleep the whole screen is really dark and the only remedy is a reboot10:25
asisakI can't get enough... :)10:25
keramheh10:25
asisakSorry. So do you mean monitor power saving mode?10:25
keramsomething like that10:25
keramis there a way to fix that?10:26
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asisakCheck if this issue has already been reported.10:27
asisakIf not, file a bug.10:27
asisakYou are also welcome to investigate further or fix it, if you can10:27
keramwhere can i check?10:29
asisakhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs10:29
asisak!filebug10:29
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots10:29
kerambugs in wishes?10:30
asisakkeram: that is "bugs in" / "wishes for" -- only concerning ubotu, the bot10:31
keramoh10:32
keramwhat is the bug "microsoft has majority market share"?10:33
asisak# 110:33
asisakbug 110:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110:33
keramoh nvm i didnt see description10:33
devangI like to think of it more like.. terrorists are actually aiming for microsoft their just bad at geography10:35
keramwhen it says status confirmed does that mean it has been fixed?10:37
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asisakkeram: no. Have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage if you are interested.10:46
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databuddy!wine11:12
ubotuwine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.11:12
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AnRkeywhat packages should I install for compiz in gutsy for it to have the latest stuff?11:58
keramit comes with the latest stuff :] 12:00
keramjust go to appearances12:00
keramalthough you can install compizconfig-settings-manager which gives u an interface to enable some features that arent enabled by default12:01
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AnRkeykeram k12:09
AnRkeythanks12:09
lontrahow can i get the gusty kubuntu wallpaper?  i'm running debian sid12:09
lontrai tried dpkg -x on the the kubuntu-desktop .deb12:09
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lontrawhat package contains the kubuntu artwork?12:17
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jmgart.ubuntu.com12:19
Piciaptitude search artwork12:20
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