[12:24] <_MetaLMilitiA_> i think not
[12:24] <_MetaLMilitiA_> =P
[12:25] <Comete> _MetaLMilitiA_: any 2d card supported by xorg
[03:42] <sbalneav> Evening all
[03:54] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:41] <moquist> sbalneav: hey
[04:41] <sbalneav> Hello moquist
[04:41] <sbalneav> How's it going?
[04:41] <moquist> good
[04:41] <moquist> workin' on the non-wwwconfig moodle package
[04:41] <moquist> not sure what to call it
[04:42] <moquist> given that 'moodle' is already packaged, and this is the same *version*, so moodle<version> doesn't make sense as a package name (like, for example, bind9, dhcp3, etc.)
[04:42] <sbalneav> moodle-alternate?
[04:43] <moquist> moodle-sbalneav-rules?
[04:43] <sbalneav> :)
[04:44] <moquist> I suspect that regardless of what I pick, it will be changed later, anyway. (If, indeed, my work goes in and ogra doesn't just whip this out in 15 minutes some afternoon.)
[04:48] <sbalneav> Welp, need a shower, and some bacon and eggs.  And coffee.  Off to cook for the family.  I'll idle.
[04:49] <moquist> Sounds like a good Saturday.
[04:49] <moquist> Today is Saturday, right? Right.
[05:02] <jsgotangco> greetings from Hanoi
[05:03] <moquist> jsgotangco: hiya from New Hampshire
[05:03] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:04] <moquist> jsgotangco: No, seriously. hiya!
[05:04] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:22] <moquist> sbalneav: turns out I don't need a different name; just bumping from ubuntu1 to ubuntu2 is sufficient
[05:23] <moquist> sbalneav: not to mention that when I rename the package the source package build breaks... :p
[06:23] <Capster> can dapperdrake edubuntu live cd connect to internet?
[06:24] <sbalneav> Should be able to.
[06:24] <Capster> I have a valid ethernet card 3com, it shows up,
[06:24] <Capster> just added network manager
[06:25] <sbalneav> You installed network manager in dapper?
[06:26] <Capster> live cd yes DD6061
[06:27] <sbalneav> IIRC, Network Manager was fairly broken until edgy.
[06:28] <Capster> oh ok, I have never used linux until now, have used unix before though,
[06:28] <sbalneav> Network manager's fairly new.  With the stock cd, it should just configure the interface with dhcp
[06:29] <Capster> should I have to add/remove anything to get connected?
[06:29] <sbalneav> So as long as you've got a dhcp server aon the network, it should work.
[06:29] <sbalneav> No, shouldn't
[06:33] <Capster> I read that on xubuntu I would use ppoeconf, edu gives err on that command dpkg -s ppoeconf -----not found
[06:34] <sbalneav> Are you plugging the dsl modem straight into the computer?
[06:34] <sbalneav> Or are you going through a dsl router?
[06:34] <Capster> yes
[06:35] <Capster> home gateway
[06:36] <Capster> system->administration->networking?
[06:37] <Capster> it shows the ethernet connectionisactive
[06:38] <sbalneav> ok
[06:38] <sbalneav> do this from a terminal
[06:38] <sbalneav> sudo ifconfig -a
[06:38] <sbalneav> and paste the result to the pastebin
[06:38] <sbalneav> !pastebin
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[06:38] <sbalneav> and then paste the url here.
[06:39] <Capster> I can't copy/paste, I'm using a seperate win2k lappy to connect here
[06:40] <sbalneav> ok, well what interfaces does it report, and what ip addresses does it display?
[06:40] <sbalneav> i.e., on mine
[06:40] <sbalneav> eth2      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0F:EA:3A:12:DD
[06:40] <sbalneav>           inet addr:192.168.0.23  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[06:42] <Capster> eth0 is my ethernet card, says inet6 addr:fe80::210::4bff::fed3:30e1/64
[06:43] <Capster> broadcast running multicast
[06:43] <sbalneav> Doesn't have an inet addr, i.e. not an ipv6?
[06:44] <Capster> says lo is loopbackm and sit0 isIPv6-in-IPv4
[06:45] <sbalneav> ok, then your ethernet interface isn't leasing an ip address from the DSL router
[06:45] <sbalneav> try manually poking it:
[06:45] <sbalneav> sudo ifdown eth0
[06:45] <sbalneav> then
[06:45] <sbalneav> sudo ifup eth0
[06:48] <Capster> interesting, DHCPdiscover 6 times, NodhcpOffers recieved....no working leases...sleeping
[06:50] <sbalneav> ok
[06:50] <Capster> on another windows machine ipconfig /all says subnet mask is 255.255.255.0, but the dhcpdiscover was 255.255.255.255
[06:53] <sbalneav> so, either your dhcp on your little dsl router's borked, or it's not handing out addresses because you're not just dynamically handing out addresses, or, you've got a cabling problem.
[06:53] <sbalneav> How many ports you have used on the dsl router
[06:53] <Capster> 4
[06:54] <Capster> it was working as far as I know
[06:54] <sbalneav> many of them have 2 ports that are really one port: a "normal" and a "crossover" port.  If you've got cables plugged into both the normal and crossover ports, one of 'em won't work.
[06:54] <sbalneav> Check and see if the card thinks it sees a hub/switch:
[06:54] <sbalneav> sudo mii-tool eth0
[06:55] <Capster> all 4 have been previously used to connect other windows pc
[06:56] <Capster> link ok
[06:56] <Capster> 100baseTx-FD
[06:56] <sbalneav> Well, the box thinks it's connected to a switch, so that's good.
[06:57] <Capster> in the network settings-hosts tab, I see ip6 aliases,
[06:57] <sbalneav> You could, if you wanted, just go to System->Administration->Networking, and try assigning a static address temporarily, just to ensure that it will talk that way.
[06:58] <sbalneav> Ignore anything ipv6
[06:58] <sbalneav> it
[06:58] <sbalneav> it's meaningless for you.  You're not connected to anything ipv6 compatible.
[06:58] <Capster> so delete all the ip6 info?
[06:58] <sbalneav> just ignore it.
[06:59] <Capster> does alias matter what I put?
[07:00] <sbalneav> Shouldn't
[07:01] <Capster> in the properties it looks like I can set a static IP....do I need to touch that?
[07:01] <Capster> or, ethernet card properties
[07:02] <sbalneav> Ethernet card properties
[07:02] <Capster> and should I create a location?
[07:02] <sbalneav> I wouldn't bother
[07:02] <sbalneav> We're just going to set something up temporarily to see if it can talk.
[07:03] <sbalneav> after that, you'll want to set it back to dhcp, and figure out why your dhcp server on your router isn't giving it an address.
[07:04] <Capster> it is a 2wire gateway any known issue ?
[07:06] <highvoltage> hey bluekuja, crimsun, jbrefort, kgoetz, moquist, nixternal, sacater, sbalneav, stgraber... and all the other cool people!
[07:06] <sbalneav> Hello highvoltage
[07:06] <jbrefort> hi highvoltage
[07:07] <sbalneav> Capster: Not that I know of, but I don't use dsl routers, so I'm not really up on them.
[07:10] <Capster> well, I did another poke, and it says it's configured
[07:10] <Capster> looking via other
[07:11] <Capster> other machine the gateway the device still doesn't show up though
[07:11] <sbalneav> netstat -nr should show you configured gateways
[07:12] <sbalneav> 0.0.0.0         192.168.0.1     0.0.0.0         UG        0 0          0 eth2
[07:12] <sbalneav> 0.0.0.0 is the "default" route.
[07:12] <Capster> hmm, shows gateway as 0.0.0.0
[07:12] <sbalneav> And what is your gateway?
[07:14] <Capster> I put in the gateway address in the form,it's not 0.0.0.0.
[07:16] <sbalneav> Do you have an IP address on the interface now?
[07:17] <sbalneav> You could set the gateway fromthe command line with:
[07:17] <sbalneav> sudo route add -net default gw ww.xx.yy.xx
[07:17] <Capster> I had it set in the ethernet card properties.
[07:23] <Capster> route added but, siocart: file exists
[07:23] <sbalneav> ah, sorry
[07:23] <sbalneav>  route add -net default gw 192.168.0.1 metric 1
[07:26] <Capster> what I added was 192.168.1.254
[07:27] <sbalneav> ok
[07:27] <sbalneav> So, now you've got a route set?
[07:27] <Capster> still can't ping anything
[07:28] <sbalneav> Nothing on your local network?
[07:28] <jbrefort> Capster, what's the address of the gateway?
[07:29] <Capster> not even the gw, 192.168.1.254
[07:29] <sbalneav> What's the ifconfig eth0 command give?
[07:29] <sbalneav> I need to know the ip addr, netmask, and broadcast
[07:30] <jbrefort> ;)
[07:33] <Capster> bcast isnot thegateway
[07:33] <sbalneav> I know
[07:34] <sbalneav> If you do an ifconfig eth0, you should see:
[07:34] <sbalneav> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:02:B3:CC:24:99
[07:34] <sbalneav>           inet addr:192.168.1.254  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[07:34] <sbalneav>           inet6 addr: fe80::202:b3ff:fecc:2499/64 Scope:Link
[07:34] <sbalneav>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[07:34] <sbalneav>           RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[07:34] <sbalneav>           TX packets:108 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[07:34] <sbalneav>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[07:34] <sbalneav>           RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:20777 (20.2 KB)
[07:34] <sbalneav> The second line
[07:34] <sbalneav> inet addr, bcast and mask
[07:34] <sbalneav> what are they?
[07:39] <Capster> 192.168.1.70ip, mask255.255.255.0,bcast=192.168.1.255
[07:39] <Capster> outoforder there though
[07:40] <sbalneav> And what's the ip address of your laptop?
[07:42] <Capster> .66
[07:44] <Capster> it looks like the router assigns them sequentially, I skipped a few, maybe I should try the next in order
[07:44] <sbalneav> so if you ping 192.168.1.66, you get nothing?
[07:44] <Capster> host unreachable
[07:47] <sbalneav> Then you've got some kind of hardware problem.
[07:47] <sbalneav> Either the network cable, or the card itself.
[07:50] <Capster> k, will check into it...thanks for the help
[07:50] <sbalneav> NP
[07:56] <Capster> I know the usb had worked,but apparently getting that to work is harder...didn't test the card to make sureitworked before running...
[08:00] <mindslant> howdy.  When I try to start "Potato Guy" a.k.a. KTuberling I get a dialogue box "Fatal Error:  Unable to load pictures, aborting".  Any ideas?  (it's my daughters fave program)
[08:30] <sbalneav> mindslant: What version of edubuntu are you on?
[08:34] <mindslant> 7.04
[08:34] <mindslant> thx
[08:39] <sbalneav> Check and see if you got a directory called /usr/share/apps/ktuberling
[08:39] <sbalneav> and that it's got some stuff in it
[08:39] <mindslant> yep
[08:40] <sbalneav> ls -al /usr/share/apps/ktuberling/pics
[08:40] <sbalneav> Paste the results to the pastebin
[08:40] <sbalneav> !pastebin
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[08:42] <Athanasius> How can I see all the machines connected to my dhcp?
[08:42] <mindslant> 1 sec
[08:43] <sbalneav> Athanasius: Depends on your dhcp server
[08:43] <sbalneav> Are you wanting to know how many leases you've issued?
[08:43] <sbalneav> or do you want to know how many thin clients you have logged into your server?
[08:44] <Athanasius> yes
[08:44] <sbalneav> Use Thin CLient Manager
[08:44] <Athanasius> actually, I am trying to connect a printer... i will try to explain
[08:45] <mindslant> http://pastebin.com/d487ea729
[08:45] <Athanasius> I have the standard 2 nic LTSP setup
[08:45] <sbalneav> mindslant: Well, that looks ok
[08:45] <Athanasius> I have a networked printer running to the server
[08:46] <Athanasius> via the router
[08:46] <mindslant> good news
[08:46] <Athanasius> the clients are in another room and it is not expedient to run wire from the printer that I want the clients to use all the way to the server
[08:47] <Athanasius> I was thinking that I can connect the printer (it is also a network printer) to the same switch that the clients are connected to
[08:48] <Athanasius> in order to install the printer to the network that the clients are on.  I do not intend to use the printer from the server
[08:48] <Athanasius> clear as mud?
[08:49] <Athanasius> I want to be able to see what ip address the client printer is so that I can add it in cups
[08:49] <sbalneav> Does the printer obtain it's ip address via dhcp?
[08:49] <Athanasius> I suppose the question would be, Is this the right approach?
[08:50] <Athanasius> I think if I connect the printer to the client network then eth1 would assign it an ip
[08:50] <sbalneav> Bad idea.
[08:50] <sbalneav> The ip addresses it will be assigned will be dynamic
[08:51] <sbalneav> So it won't be guarenteed that it will STAY on that address
[08:51] <Athanasius> ok
[08:51] <sbalneav> It may work for a while, but if the dhcp server decides to assign your printer a different IP address for some reason, your printing will break.
[08:52] <Athanasius> that's true, I have had that problem before.
[08:52] <sbalneav> As well, if you put the printer on the side with the terminals, it will end up being accessible only to the clients.  Anyone else who printed to it before will not find it anymore.
[08:53] <Athanasius> I don't need access to the printer from the server so that is not what I am worried about
[08:54] <Athanasius> sounds strange maybe
[08:54] <sbalneav> Edubuntu by default sets up the dhcp server to assign dynamic addresses in the range of 20-250
[08:55] <sbalneav> So, what I'd suggest is: use the printer's front panel admin interface to assign it a static address in the range of 1-19
[08:55] <sbalneav> put it on the client network then, and set up cups with the static interface.
[08:55] <sbalneav> That will get you what you want without any dhcp hinkiness.
[08:56] <Athanasius> i will look into that
[08:56] <Athanasius> thanks, you have helped me yet again
[08:56] <sbalneav> mindslant: As for you, I'm at a loss.
[08:57] <sbalneav> The files it needs are there.
[08:57] <sbalneav> can you run the program as someone else?
[09:06] <mindslant> I'll have to set up somenone else
[09:06] <mindslant> brb
[09:12] <mindslant> yes, yes potato guy does work under another user
[09:12] <mindslant> sbalneav, thx for the help so far
[10:14] <Capster> does a wrapper on an usb driver for inline ethernet work? anyone ever get something like this to work ?
[10:42] <Capster> gtg