[12:15] <wewek> gn
[01:26] <erenko> herkese iyi geceler
[01:27] <erenko> nite all
[01:36] <Riddell> kde4libs at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~jr/+archive
[01:37] <Riddell> anything more needs a new version of gnupg, volunteers welcome
[03:09] <nixternal> Riddell: is there already a new release of KDE4?
[03:09] <nixternal> ooh, and the PPA is in effect I see
[03:10] <ScottK> nixternal: How's that pinentry port coming?
[03:11] <ScottK> BTW, I think it's a new version of gpgsm that's needed, not gnupg.
[03:11] <ScottK> nixternal: Do you know if it's gnupg or gpgsm that's needed?
[03:12] <ScottK> We're behind on both.
[03:12] <mhb> are we switching to the kde4libs notation instead of the kdelibs5?
[03:14] <ScottK> Well if someone knows what's up with the gpg (gnupg or gpgsm) requirements, I'll work on updating the package.
[03:19] <nixternal> I have no clue...I haven't had the chance to look in on the pinentry stuff for the past day or so..I am finishing up my last few projects for the summer semester...so I have been uber busy...thank god it comes to an end this week :)
[03:29] <ScottK> Well someone filed a bug saying a newer gpgsm was needed.  I'll take a shot at that.
[03:34] <ScottK> No.  It was gpgme.
[04:34] <ryanakca> ScottK: wee! I'm setting up the server atm. I got my password reset and it's looking good :D
[04:34] <ScottK> Cool.
[04:35] <ScottK> I'm currently struggling with gpgme and getting the md5 sums right from tar.bz2 to tar.gz
[04:35] <ryanakca> hmm :)
[04:41] <manchicken> koffice is rocking pretty hard in openoffice's absence.
[04:41] <manchicken> I may switch.
[04:42] <manchicken> It's much faster.  It's faster to experience a bug in Koffice and restart KOffice to continue working then it is to not have the bug and deal with openoffice's slowness.
[04:51] <mhb> manchicken: speaking of slowups... I've done some measurements with a stopwatch and adept_updater tray icon takes quite a lot of system resources
[04:51] <mhb> err, slowdowns
[04:51] <manchicken> That's it running updates.
[04:51] <manchicken> It should probably be run niced down a bit.
[04:52] <ScottK> manchicken: You should speak to the person the maintains that package for Kubuntu about it.
[04:56] <manchicken> ScottK: That's clever, as I think JR still officially maintains it ;)
[04:56] <ScottK> ;-)
[04:56] <manchicken> I also don't know where we'd put that.
[04:57] <manchicken> We'd just have to modify the .desktop to nice the adept_notifier.
[04:57] <manchicken> Gonna test KDE4 now.
[04:59] <ScottK> Good morning Hobbsee
[05:01] <mhb> hello Hobbsee
[05:01] <Hobbsee> hiya ScottK
[05:01] <Hobbsee> hi mhb
[05:03] <mhb> Hobbsee: I contemplated cleaning up Kubuntu/Meetings page, but then I couldn't even find the meeting date on the fridge
[05:03] <Hobbsee> mhb: that's because i havent emailed them yet, most likely
[05:04] <Hobbsee> (sometimes)
[05:04] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Then congratulations on more or less succeeding.
[05:04] <Hobbsee> hah.  i dont think i suceeded
[05:05] <Hobbsee> i just ended up feeling bad for being here, adn therefore not reading a book or doing my assignment, and not actually have uploaded or fixed much during the week
[05:06] <manchicken> We should have a meta-package for all the KDE4 stuff.
[05:06] <manchicken> mhb: Did you hear that I'm buying a house? :)
[05:06] <mhb> manchicken: yeah, I did overhear that, great news!
[05:07] <Hobbsee> manchicken: we can actually do that now
[05:08] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Yeah?
[05:08] <manchicken> Cool :)
[05:08] <Hobbsee> with recommends.  yeah
[05:09] <manchicken> Cool
[05:09] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Speaking of which, I am currently working on fixing Bug #127778
[05:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127778 in gpgme "KDE4 needs GPGME 0.4.5 to compile" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127778
[05:09] <ScottK> The KDE4, not the breakfast.
[05:10] <Hobbsee> ScottK: neat!  :)
[05:10] <ScottK> Have a look at the ubuntu-server archive for the last couple of days if you want discussion.
[05:11] <Hobbsee> i was more meaning between teh flavours - but i hear that's exploded.
[05:12] <ScottK> Well now that Universe is enabled by default for new installs I wonder how people know what's what.
[05:12] <Hobbsee> they dont :)
[05:12] <Hobbsee> it's to do with support contracts mainly, i think
[05:13] <ScottK> I'd imagine.
[05:14] <mhb> I'd like to see the folks that support apps like "KArm"
[05:16] <Hobbsee> we dont?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> !info karm gutsy
[05:16] <ubotu> karm: KDE time tracker tool. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 432 kB, installed size 1284 kB
[05:16] <Hobbsee> it's in main
[05:16] <Hobbsee> according to that, anyway
[05:16] <ScottK> Bah.
[05:16] <ScottK> It's in Main.
[05:16] <ScottK> That's a problem for you core-devs...
[05:16] <mhb> yeah, it is - therefore people are able to buy support for it
[05:18] <ScottK> Arghhh
[05:19] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Up for uploading a new upstream version of gnugp?
[05:19] <ScottK> The current gpgme needs > 1.4.6.  We have 1.4.6.
[05:26] <manchicken> There's a problem with kde4 packages.
[05:26] <manchicken>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/share/icons/crystalsvg/16x16/actions/palette_lineart.png', which is also in package kde4graphics-data
[05:26] <manchicken> I get that when I try to install kde4artwork-data
[05:34] <manchicken> Ooooh
[07:54] <manchicken> KDE4 isn't half bad looking.
[07:54] <manchicken> Looks like a lot of the stuff is already doing rather well.
[07:55] <manchicken> Looks like plasma needs some TLC though.
[08:08] <manchicken> Kate in KDE4 is rocking pretty hard.
[08:08] <manchicken> I think I may actually use kate in KDE4 for my normal development.
[08:10] <robotgeek> heh. no vim love?
[08:10] <manchicken> Hell no.  If it's not Kate its emacs.  Get out of here with that "vim" crap :)
[08:11] <robotgeek> manchicken: actually, i have wanted to try out emacs. but i haven't found the time
[08:11] <manchicken> robotgeek: It's not that hard :)
[08:11] <manchicken> It's just a text editor man :)
[08:12] <manchicken> Kate's rocking pretty hard in kde4.
[08:12] <manchicken> I'm stoked now.
[08:12] <manchicken> Ooh, I crashed it :)
[08:12] <robotgeek> lol
[08:14] <nixternal> yo yo
[08:15] <robotgeek> howdy nixternal
[08:15] <nixternal> hello there mr. busy :)
[08:15] <nixternal> howdy Hobbsee
[08:16] <nixternal> man, the new index is looking beauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuttttttttiiiiiiiiful I tell you
[08:16] <nixternal> ooh?
[08:16] <robotgeek> nixternal: linky please.
[08:16] <nixternal> robotgeek: check your doc svn commit log :)
[08:17] <nixternal> dunno when the next svn build is, but when it occurs it will be at http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu
[08:17] <nixternal> trying to set it up so we can have help:/kubuntu as our main help focal point with Gutsy
[08:18] <robotgeek> yes, i saw that the other day. slightly difficult to preview over the web, but is more usable i think
[08:18] <nixternal> KHelpCenter is trash, and only want to link to it for KDE docs..for all of Kubuntu docs, we can use Konqui..or if people want to get crazy, we can also have something in k-d-s that adds the help:/ support in firefox
[08:18] <nixternal> ya, you can't use the links on the web
[08:19] <manchicken> That's so badass.
[08:19] <manchicken> I'm stoked now.
[08:21] <manchicken> nixternal: You should assemble some of the very useful how-to's from around the net into the documentation :)
[08:21] <manchicken> Like my adept how-to.
[08:21] <nixternal> jjesse is working on adept
[08:22] <nixternal> I am only taking about 10 to 20 of the biggest user issues and creating pages to show them how to fix their issue
[08:23] <manchicken> That's cool.
[08:23] <nixternal> hehe
[08:28] <freeflying> Hobbsee: where is kubuntu relate package hzr repo
[08:39] <Hobbsee> freeflying: codebrowse.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/ iirc
[08:39] <Hobbsee> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/
[08:39] <Hobbsee> code., sorry
[08:39] <freeflying> Hobbsee: thanks
[08:40] <Hobbsee> no problem
[08:44] <manchicken> Let's see if I can get mhb's change request in in the next 15 minutes before I pass the fsck out.
[08:47] <manchicken> nixternal: There is a problem with the kde4 packages.  kde4artwork-data conflicts with kde4graphics-data when it gets to unpacking the two.
[08:53] <manchicken> I love how you can totally hijack ./debian/rules to do your build bidding.
[08:59] <Hobbsee> oh you're using that to stop the file overwrites?
[09:01] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Naw, I'm just using it to prepare the build and build :)
[09:02] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[09:02] <manchicken> Instead of configure and make :)
[09:02] <manchicken> Because I'm a dirty cheater.
[09:03] <manchicken> It's hard to get away from them.
[09:04] <manchicken> Especially when you're hacking.
[09:04] <manchicken> KDE4 has me liking cmake though.
[09:41] <wewek> carpe diem :)
[10:49] <buz> is it ok to post wishes as "bugs" on launchpad?
[10:49] <buz> maybe with [WISH]  prefix or so
[12:31] <mhb> buz: it's quite okay if it's a small wish
[12:33] <mhb> buz: well, even if it's a big request :o)
[01:38] <apachelogger> Hobbsee, ScottK, Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6211
[01:38] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: oh nice!
[01:39] <apachelogger> hm
[01:39] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: bon appetit :)
[01:39] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:03] <buz> mhb: it's https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/128863
[02:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128863 in kdebase "[WISH]  Merge patch for LUKS support from SuSE" [Undecided,New] 
[02:10] <mhb> buz: thank you. I've changed the importance to "Wishlist", hope you don't mind.
[02:10] <buz> sure ;)
[02:15] <Hobbsee> oh neat
[02:19] <buz> encrypted block devices
[02:19] <buz> can go from hd over usb stuff to memory cards
[05:48] <FoxDie-BR> can someone help me with the nvidia restricted driver on gutsy ? i can't disable it. i already have two work-arounds but would like the real solution. /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules won't work
[05:55] <mhb> FoxDie-BR: I'd say remove the package
[05:56] <FoxDie-BR> but if i remove the package that installs the restricted driver, the whole restrickted-modules package will be broken
[05:56] <FoxDie-BR> and i need the ipw39<something> driver
[05:56] <FoxDie-BR> i can't do that
[05:57] <FoxDie-BR> i need to disable just the "nv" driver
[05:57] <FoxDie-BR> but the file mentioned just won't do it
[05:58] <mhb> FoxDie-BR: isn't nvidia-glx the package with the proprietary driver?
[05:58] <FoxDie-BR> yes . if i try to remove that one wht whole restricted-modules will be broken
[05:59] <FoxDie-BR> i installed the linux beta driver
[05:59] <FoxDie-BR> but instead of the nvidia module from the beta installation, the restricted nvidia module gets modprobed
[05:59] <FoxDie-BR> one of the workarounds is
[05:59] <FoxDie-BR> # modprobe -r nvidia
[05:59] <FoxDie-BR> # modprobe nvidia
[05:59] <FoxDie-BR> # /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[06:00] <FoxDie-BR> but that sucks :\
[10:03] <mhb> good evening to all the people enjoying their well deserved rest!
[10:04] <mhb> does somebody know the current situation about Kubuntu& desktop effects?
[10:04] <ubijtsa> rest? no rest for the wicked..
[10:05] <fdoving> evenin'
[10:05] <mhb> I remember talks about getting some beryl configuration for kcontrol in, but that probably won't happen as we use compiz-fusion now
[10:06] <fdoving> i got a new gprs-deal today, max 2 per day. unlimited usage, that is nice when one is traveling.
[10:06] <fdoving> mhb: i have seen that beryl kcontrol thing, in some 3rd-party source.
[10:06] <mhb> fdoving: how come the price is variable when you got unlimited usage?
[10:08] <fdoving> mhb: if you use less than 1MB a day, you pay per KB, or something like that. if you transfer more than one 1MB you pay for that first MB, 2, and the rest is for free.
[10:10] <mhb> fdoving: ah, that makes sense. I think I wouldn't be able to get the bandwidth amount under 1MB :o)
[10:10] <fdoving> my previous deal was a pay per MB, no max-cost-per-day thing.
[10:10] <fdoving> mhb: exactly, open one webpage and you're at 1MB.
[10:11] <mhb> fdoving: ah, good you switched then!
[10:11] <fdoving> yep, i'm happy with it, feels faster than the previous operator too. :)
[10:11] <fdoving> operator/provider
[10:16] <mhb> fdoving: great
[10:33] <nixternal> robotgeek: ouch man, I thought we were chatting in here about the docs :) I said the "crappy CC-by-SA" statement..that always get the Matthew's blood boiling :)
[10:33] <robotgeek> nixternal: lol
[10:34] <nixternal> Riddell: man, you just say that you want our docs licensed as something else, and I will work with you on creating the argument to get them switched back to GFDL/GPL :)
[10:35] <robotgeek> what does our upstream use?
[10:35] <nixternal> why everyone is against GFDL and invariant sections for documentation is beyond me
[10:35] <nixternal> GFDL
[10:35] <nixternal> documentation shouldn't have invariant sections
[10:36] <nixternal> if you see "I really think that Gnome stinks" in documentation, shoot the documentor, not for the statement, but for creating the invariant section :)
[10:36] <ryanakca> Hahaha
[10:37] <robotgeek> ah, i see the issue now.
[10:38] <robotgeek> anyways, i gotta run to the library now. cya all later
[10:39] <ryanakca> When the installer fails to determine the codename for debootstrap, is there any way for me to manually pass it?
[10:39] <ryanakca> see yah robotgeek
[10:39] <jpetso> Riddell: ping
[10:40] <jpetso> noooo
[10:40] <nixternal> jpetso: JR is on a weekend away right now..probably be a bit before he repsonds
[10:41] <jpetso> mmkay, i'll bug #kde4-devel instead
[10:41] <jpetso> thanks for the pointer
[10:41] <nixternal> no problem
[10:41] <nixternal> otherwise you could be waiting w/o sleep for the next day or so :)
[10:44] <jpetso> bah.
[10:44] <jpetso> ;)
[12:09] <nixternal> hey, is the gtk stuff still the reason behind konqui and flash sites locking up konqui with nsplugins whatever, raising the temperature to that of the sun?
[12:12] <crimsun> hmm.  Does it lock up firefox, too?
[12:13] <crimsun> (seems to work fine w/ FF here)
[12:13] <nixternal> no
[12:15] <nixternal> it is something with nspluginviewer as well, once it locks up on a flash site, the temp of the cpu raise 15-20c right away, konqui freezes...