[12:14] <javv> yes
[12:14] <Biovore> javv: if kde dosn't start, most likey because something got bugured, and your loging gets killed and you get logged back out..
[12:14] <Biovore> you can try deleteing the .kde directory in your home directory
[12:14] <javv> but, I cant login root manual
[12:15] <Biovore> press ctrl-alt-f1 to get to a text console..
[12:15] <Biovore> then type "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop"
[12:15] <Biovore> they do "xinit"
[12:15] <Biovore> when X starts up and give you a dead shell..
[12:15] <Biovore> type startkde in the shell
[12:16] <Biovore> kde should start.. or barf and give you a more discriptive error..
[12:16] <javv> Biovore: ok, I try
[12:21] <rrbiz> APM isn't kick'n in on my gateway box, any ideas ?
[12:21] <Biovore> rrbiz: older laptop?
[12:22] <rrbiz> it's a gateway bios from 2000, it's a standalone lcd all in one computer, built somewhat like a laptop
[12:22] <Biovore> yeah bios from that time had funky apm interfaces.. may not work correctly..
[12:23] <rrbiz> older distros worked better, with ubuntu it just doesn't work at all
[12:24] <Biovore> well all the newer ones will have issues because they rely on acpi and not the old apm system.
[12:24] <rrbiz> if i press the power button, it shuts off instantly, like a crash, and i set it to ask
[12:24] <rrbiz> yeah that makes sense
[12:24] <Marquart> hello I have a fast _ about installing kubuntu
[12:24] <Biovore> you can try adding acpi=off to the list of kernel options in grub.
[12:24] <Biovore> !ask
[12:24] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:24] <Marquart> ?
[12:24] <rrbiz> hmm, ok i'll try that
[12:25] <rrbiz> that'd be in menu.lst right ?
[12:25] <Marquart> trying to install kubuntu the installer dosnt load saying ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyQt4/QtCore.so: invalid ELF header
[12:26] <jhutchins> Marquart: Did you verify the iso and the disk you burned it to?
[12:26] <Biovore> rrbiz: yup.. add it to the end of the line that says kernel /boot/ stuff  root=blah quite verbose acpi=off
[12:26] <Marquart> yes verified it with chec cd function on the cd
[12:26] <rrbiz> k, thnx Biovore
[12:27] <Biovore> Marquart: not sure.. Thats the kind of error you get if the cd has got errors in it..
[12:27] <jhutchins> Marquart: Did you check the iso too?
[12:27] <Marquart> nope
[12:28] <jhutchins> Marquart: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[12:28] <Marquart> ill try downloading it again
[12:28] <jhutchins> Marquart: WAIT!
[12:28] <runlevelten> don't download it if you can check it first instead :)
[12:28] <runlevelten> hello all btw.
[12:28] <jhutchins> Marquart: Just verify the md5 sum first. If that's valid, download the alternate install CD instead of the live CD.
[12:28] <Marquart> no problem takes less than 5 min but ill chech the iso
[12:37] <Kernel> !iso
[12:37] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[12:43] <jhutchins> Hey, that's a handy link!
[12:44] <Marquart2> seems the md5sum dosnt match
[12:44] <Marquart2> md5sum kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso
[12:44] <Marquart2> eb8a79dbe8ed4b5e4d7f8784c39600f7  kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso
[12:45] <Marquart2> schould be 1ad3c003dbcbe27b3265da23b886d047
[12:45] <Marquart2> damn my spelling
[12:46] <jhutchins> Marquart2: It's probably worth trying the download again.
[12:46] <jhutchins> Marquart2: A bad iso file will often cause boot problems.
[12:46] <jhutchins> Marquart2: or install problems.
[12:46] <Marquart2> year downloading it again
[12:47] <jhutchins> Marquart2: If you get a good iso and a good burn, and it still has problems, try the alt CD, or since you know you're going to install you could just jump to that directly.
[12:47] <Marquart2> why not
[12:47] <Marquart2> im going to check out the linuxMCE
[12:48] <Zasch> Hello
[12:49] <Zasch> I'm having a problem with KDE, in that nothing from Ubuntu seems to open up anymore: Pidgin, Firefox, XChat all seem to crash immediately upon loading
[12:49] <Marquart2> have you seen the demonstration on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcNwnANrCpw
[12:50] <jhutchins> Zasch: Try the kde equivalents: kopete, konqueror, konversation.
[12:50] <jhutchins> Zasch: There's a bug you can get, I think it's with the QT libraries, that causes that.
[12:50] <Zasch> I'm fine with the KDE equivelants, but the programs worked in the past, and so I'm curious as to why they have suddenly stopped.
[12:50] <jhutchins> Zasch: (No, I never fixed it, it just eventually went away.)
[12:53] <thrilla> having a problem with kubuntu
[12:54] <thrilla> cann't get the internet connection working so i tried this
[12:54] <thrilla> connected the pc directly to the cable modem
[12:54] <thrilla> and still couldn't get online
[12:55] <thrilla> so how do i fix this?
[12:57] <bonZi> i have a question
[12:57] <bonZi> i would like to redirect
[12:57] <bonZi> my apache
[12:57] <bonZi> on a computer with mandriva
[12:57] <bonZi> to my second
[12:57] <d9gk> will updates downloaded through adept on livecd be included when installed to hard drive?
[12:57] <bonZi> pc connected on lan
[12:58] <bonZi> http://server/foo -> redirect to -> http://23.21.23.21/
[12:58] <bonZi> can someone help me?
[12:59] <sonic3> hey
[12:59] <sonic3> got a problem i need help with
[12:59] <sonic3> cann't connect to the internet
[01:02] <Biovore> bonZi: you can do that with iptables firewall rules
[01:02] <Biovore> bonZi: www.netfilter.org
[01:04] <Biovore> sonic3: wifi?
[01:04] <sonic3> no
[01:04] <Biovore> does your network/lan have dhcp?
[01:04] <sonic3> the router does
[01:05] <Biovore> ok..  what network card do you have?
[01:05] <sonic3> its a built in one
[01:05] <Marquart3> now the md5sum is corect
[01:05] <Biovore> yay!
[01:05] <sonic3> on the motherboard
[01:05] <luca> hi everyone
[01:05] <luca> can someone help me please iron out a little problem with kmenu? I'd need to know where the text file with the the kmenu settings is stored
[01:05] <Biovore> sonic3: its still on PCI bus probably.. need to know what it is..
[01:06] <Biovore> luca: I don't think its a text file..
[01:06] <sonic3> will device manager tell me?
[01:06] <Biovore> sonic3: probably..
[01:08] <sonic3> Product Type	Marvell Yukon 88E8001/8003/8010 PCI Gigabit Ethernet Controller
[01:08] <Biovore> sonic3: hmm.. I never mess with one of those cards before..
[01:09] <sonic3> i think i need to install the driver from asus for it
[01:09] <sonic3> but
[01:09] <sonic3> the only way i can get it over to linux right now is by a usb drive
[01:10] <luca> Biovore: thanks anyhow :(
[01:10] <sonic3> and kubuntu won't show it when i plug it in
[01:10] <luca> bye
[01:10] <Biovore> hmm try "sudo modprobe sk98lin"
[01:10] <sonic3> me?
[01:10] <Biovore> yup
[01:11] <Biovore> sk98lin looks like it should work with that card..
[01:11] <sonic3> you mean open up a terminal window and type that?
[01:11] <Biovore> yup..
[01:11] <Biovore> I am guessing you on a second computer?
[01:11] <sonic3> ok, i'll have to reboot to do it
[01:11] <sonic3> no, dual boot
[01:11] <Biovore> oh.. well theres is more..
[01:12] <Biovore> after you log in.. do that modprobe thing.. and then type sudo ifconfig
[01:12] <Biovore> is show something about a eth0 interface..
[01:12] <Biovore> then do a "sudo dhcpd"
[01:12] <Biovore> is should get an IP address after a few seconds
[01:12] <sonic3> cripes, i'll have to write this down
[01:12] <sonic3> lol
[01:12] <Biovore> then do a ifconfig again so if if you got a ip
[01:13] <eagles0513875> does this have something to do with a wifi card
[01:13] <Biovore> no
[01:13] <Biovore> Product Type	Marvell Yukon 88E8001/8003/8010 PCI Gigabit Ethernet Controller <-- dosn't seem to get picked up by default.
[01:13] <sonic3> ok, can you open a dcc chat with me and repeat those steps bio?
[01:14] <sonic3> i am gonna write them down
[01:14] <Biovore> I don't think my dcc works here..
[01:14] <eagles0513875> i have those on my desktop 2 to be exact wish i could test them out ot see if i would be getting the same problem
[01:15] <sonic3> well do them one at a time then
[01:15] <Silent_G> hello
[01:15] <Silent_G> can someone help meh with this error ATAL: Error inserting dazuko (/lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/extra/dazuko.ko): Invalid argument
[01:15] <eagles0513875> im on my laptop atm
[01:15] <Silent_G>  ?
[01:15] <ViciouZ^Laptop> Hello everyone, can anyone send me a .deb of ffmpeg compiled with AMR support please? I can't do it myself :-(
[01:15] <sonic3> sounds like you didn't configure the program right
[01:15] <Silent_G> what do you mean
[01:15] <Silent_G> :o
[01:16] <Biovore> sonic3: after login: open up a terminal and type in "sudo modprobe modprobe sk98lin"
[01:16] <Biovore> sonic3: then type "sudo dhcpd"
[01:16] <Biovore> sonic3: then type "ifconfig eth0"
[01:16] <Biovore> it should show you an interface called eth0 and its configuration.. should see an IP there now..
[01:17] <sonic3> ok
[01:17] <sonic3> will do
[01:17] <Biovore> if it says something like unkown interface.. that module probably didn't work..
[01:22] <rrbiz> Biovore: no dice, same results, except for a few less errors in logs and startup, ubuntu works great otherwise, but a pita with powermngment stuff, maybe i should throw puppy on the old dog
[01:23] <Biovore> rrbiz: yeah apm is kinda of a pain.. you can try dapper.. its older and still supported..
[01:23] <rrbiz> hmm, that wouldn't affect adding software and the rest getting upgraded ?
[01:24] <rrbiz> i guess so long as the reps stay on dapper shouldn't affect it
[01:24] <ViciouZ^Laptop> wow, im trying to compile ffmpeg from source with amr and i get billions of errors
[01:24] <thrilla> hey bio
[01:24] <thrilla> the second command didn't work
[01:24] <Biovore> what second command?
[01:24] <thrilla> i typed sudo dhcpd
[01:25] <ViciouZ^Laptop> it's sonic3
[01:25] <Biovore> oh.. try dhclient
[01:25] <thrilla> and got command not found
[01:25] <Biovore> got my distros backwards..
[01:25] <thrilla> ok
[01:25] <Biovore> dhcpd -> dhclient
[01:32] <thrilla> second command failed
[01:33] <Biovore> thrilla: what did "ifconfig eth0" say?
[01:33] <thrilla> a whole bunch of crap
[01:34] <thrilla> but sudo dhclient didn't get a dhcp response
[01:34] <thrilla> it did run
[01:34] <Biovore> thrilla: well in the ifconfig eth0 side of things it showed something and did spit out "error fetching interface"
[01:35] <ernestito> hello
[01:35] <Biovore> (and didn't)
[01:35] <thrilla> don't think so
[01:35] <ernestito> some one can help me?
[01:35] <Biovore> !ask
[01:35] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:35] <Biovore> thrilla: you could try assigning it a static just to see whats going on..
[01:35] <thrilla> umm
[01:35] <thrilla> i think i can in the router
[01:36] <Biovore> thrilla: well you know what your lan ip's are... (probably 192.168.0.1->192.168.0.255)
[01:36] <ernestito> i have a toshiba sattelite with nvidia 440 when i intall the driver it turns white the monitor
[01:37] <Biovore> ernestito: hmm you using nvidia's driver?
[01:37] <Biovore> what version if so?
[01:38] <Biovore> thrilla: basicly to assign a static do the following: "sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.10 netmask 255.255.255.0"
[01:38] <ernestito> yes i try 9631, 9755
[01:38] <Biovore> thrilla:  ignore any error you got
[01:38] <thrilla> well
[01:38] <Biovore> thrilla: then try pinging the default gateway (the router)
[01:39] <thrilla> i just told the router to start assigning the dhcp ips after 192.168.11.5
[01:39] <thrilla> so i can have 4 static ip address
[01:39] <Biovore> ernestito: I see that 9631 should work..
[01:39] <Biovore> thrilla: you natting?
[01:40] <thrilla> yep
[01:40] <thrilla> its a router after all
[01:40] <Biovore> ok..
[01:40] <ernestito> with that one the monitor turns white too
[01:40] <Biovore> by assigning on the router won't do anything for assigning the static on the linux box..
[01:40] <thrilla> so like i said
[01:40] <khaije1> is there any free speech recognition software?
[01:41] <Biovore> khaije1: I think there is.. I don't think it works all the well though..
[01:41] <thrilla> no but it'll let me assign it a dedicated ip
[01:41] <khaije1> Biovore: know whats it called?
[01:41] <Biovore> thrilla: well if you dhclient for a ip you'll get that static.. thats all you did basicly..
[01:41] <Biovore> khaije1: nope.. not of the top of my head..
[01:42] <khaije1> Biovore: if it comes to you would you pm me? i'm gonna look some more
[01:42] <Silent_G> can somebody tell me how to defregment on kubuntu?
[01:43] <Biovore> linux dosn't need deframenting
[01:43] <Biovore> mac dosesnt eather..
[01:43] <Silent_G> hmm
[01:43] <Biovore> only windows..
[01:43] <Silent_G> yeah
[01:43] <Silent_G> but once
[01:43] <Silent_G> i saw the option
[01:43] <Silent_G> of defregmenting
[01:43] <Silent_G> in KDE
[01:43] <Silent_G> on another distro
[01:43] <Silent_G> but icant seem to find it now
[01:43] <Silent_G> :|
[01:43] <Biovore> you can defragment fat32 devices..
[01:44] <Biovore> nothing to defrag on ext2/3
[01:44] <Silent_G> how
[01:44] <Biovore> its all linked inodes
[01:44] <Silent_G> ?
[01:44] <Biovore> no file allocation table
[01:44] <Silent_G> how can i scan fat32 devices?
[01:44] <Silent_G> *defregment
[01:44] <Biovore> no clue.. I don't bother with it..
[01:45] <Silent_G> :S
[01:45] <Silent_G> i have a fat32 Partition
[01:45] <Silent_G> for my torrents
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> kinda quiet around here....
[01:47] <Biovore> yup..
[01:47] <ViciouZ^Laptop> nope
[01:47] <ViciouZ^Laptop> my phone won't mount :P
[01:48] <ViciouZ^Laptop> it won't automount
[01:48] <Biovore> usb mass storage device?
[01:48] <ViciouZ^Laptop> yeah
[01:48] <stoned> hi
[01:48] <ViciouZ^Laptop> sn
[01:48] <ViciouZ^Laptop> where do they go? /dev/sda?
[01:48] <stoned> I want use no but kde.  How can get mouving mouse in konqueror?
[01:49] <stoned> wtf
[01:49] <Biovore> check /media/<vendor name>
[01:49] <ViciouZ^Laptop> that's exactly where it isn't
[01:49] <Biovore> ViciouZ^Laptop: also do a dmesg before and after you plug in the phone and see what the kernel is thinking..
[01:50] <thrilla> ok
[01:50] <stoned> I don't want to use anything but kde apps, and I run firefox currently.  I need to somehow have mouse gestures in konqi.  That way I can ditch firefox.  The main reason for me isn't plugins or extentions etc., it is mouse gestures.  Is there a way to get them in Konqueror.
[01:50] <Biovore> ViciouZ^Laptop: It could be it's not a real mass storage device..
[01:50] <stoned> ?
[01:50] <stoned> ignore the first sentenc
[01:50] <stoned> I have no idea what I was thinking
[01:50] <thrilla> the ifconfig command failed
[01:50] <thrilla> but
[01:50] <thrilla> a sudo ifconfig did work
[01:51] <ViciouZ^Laptop> nah bio, it's always worked before
[01:51] <thrilla> stoned
[01:51] <thrilla> why get rid of firefox?
[01:51] <stoned> i found it
[01:52] <stoned> thanks
[01:52] <stoned> thrilla: I want to be completely gtk free
[01:52] <stoned> leave me alone ;)
[01:52] <thrilla> lol
[01:52] <Biovore> ViciouZ^Laptop: well not sure then..  check dmesg and see if the kernel is assigning it to a scsi device..
[01:52] <ViciouZ^Laptop> hmm
[01:53] <ViciouZ^Laptop> it used to look same before and after
[01:53] <thrilla> still no luck bio
[01:53] <ViciouZ^Laptop> now it says stuff about new usb storage getting address 7
[01:54] <Biovore> thrilla: well I am not sure then..  did "sudo ifconfig eth0" return information about the interface?
[01:54] <phyeradmin> good evening folks...i have a bit of an issue here getting kubuntu 7.04 to run its updates w/o conking out on me
[01:54] <thrilla> it did
[01:54] <ViciouZ^Laptop> 8878.569093]  usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 8
[01:54] <ViciouZ^Laptop> [ 8878.752753]  usb 3-1: device descriptor read/64, error -62
[01:54] <ViciouZ^Laptop> [ 8879.443472]  usb 3-1: device not accepting address 8, error -62
[01:54] <ViciouZ^Laptop> [ 8879.619152]  usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 9
[01:54] <Biovore> thrilla: so I guess that means that the nic card is work.. just not talking to the outside world..
[01:55] <thrilla> its trying to mount a usb device vic
[01:55] <Biovore> and its dropping dead on it..
[01:55] <thrilla> mount=assign it a letter
[01:55] <phyeradmin> for the past 48hrs and this being the 5th attempt, in hopes that maybe its something that might get fixed in the repo...it keeps getting caught and stops updating at the python2.5 packages
[01:56] <phyeradmin> anyone know whats causing this or is experiencing this issue?
[01:56] <Biovore> phyeradmin: you try updating from the command line..
[01:56] <phyeradmin> ok...btw: whats the command for clearing out the cashe and for retrieving the updates?
[01:57] <ViciouZ^Laptop> i'm going to restart guys
[01:57] <ViciouZ^Laptop> brb
[01:57] <phyeradmin> i kinda forgot that stuff=\
[01:57] <Biovore> sudo apt-get clean
[01:58] <Biovore> sudo apt-get update
[01:58] <thrilla> well bio
[01:58] <Biovore> sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:58] <thrilla> can i manage to mount my usb pen drive so i can install the drivers for linux on it?
[01:58] <Biovore> thrilla: well if ifconfig is showing info on the interface.. the driver is fine..
[01:59] <Biovore> thrilla: you try setting a static on the linux box using "sudo ifconfig eth0 <ip-address> netmaks 255.255.255.0" ?
[01:59] <phyeradmin> thrilla: no go=\
[02:00] <phyeradmin> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:00] <phyeradmin>   python2.5: Depends: python2.5-minimal (= 2.5.1~rc1-0ubuntu3) but 2.5.1-0ubuntu1 is installed
[02:00] <phyeradmin>   python2.5-dev: Depends: python2.5 (= 2.5.1-0ubuntu1) but 2.5.1~rc1-0ubuntu3 is installed
[02:00] <thrilla> yep i did try that
[02:00] <Biovore> phyeradmin: hmm you using automatix?
[02:01] <thrilla> then install the packages
[02:01] <phyeradmin> no, this is a completely fresh install
[02:01] <thrilla> i know
[02:01] <thrilla> use the package manager
[02:01] <Biovore> phyeradmin: fresh install of what.. feisty?
[02:01] <thrilla> just search for the names of the packages
[02:01] <thrilla> and it'll find them and update
[02:02] <phyeradmin> yeah...seem kubuntu 7.04 is all i can get installed on this rig w/o getting a failed installation
[02:02] <Biovore> thats what he is doing.. but hes got a dependicy confict..
[02:02] <riorio> how do you close Katapult if you opened it by misstake?
[02:02] <Biovore> riorio: alt-shift
[02:02] <phyeradmin> regular ubuntu and even the alt and 64bit vers will install but keep telling me there no home folder when i try to login
[02:02] <thrilla> lol
[02:02] <Biovore> or just click somewhere on the screen.
[02:02] <ViciouZ^Laptop> back, still no luck with mounting it
[02:02] <riorio> alt-shift is not working
[02:03] <Biovore> or just click somewhere on the screen. it should fade way..
[02:03] <ViciouZ^Laptop> bio:
[02:03] <ViciouZ^Laptop>   143.650232]  usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 4
[02:03] <ViciouZ^Laptop> [  143.885849]  usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices
[02:03] <ViciouZ^Laptop> [  143.894913]  scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[02:03] <ViciouZ^Laptop> [  143.894981]  usb-storage: device found at 4
[02:03] <ViciouZ^Laptop> [  143.894983]  usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
[02:03] <ViciouZ^Laptop> [  148.886918]  usb-storage: device scan complete
[02:03] <thrilla> just look at the screen
[02:03] <thrilla> there ya go
[02:03] <Biovore> ViciouZ^Laptop: that looks like it is happy..
[02:04] <thrilla> yep, it found it
[02:04] <cloakable> !laptop ? ViciouZ^Laptop
[02:04] <cloakable> !pastebin | ViciouZ^Laptop
[02:04] <ubotu> ViciouZ^Laptop: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:04] <thrilla> now you should have a new drive letter
[02:04] <ViciouZ^Laptop> i just don't
[02:04] <riorio>   *hrm* I had to half-start a progam to close it *grr*
[02:05] <ViciouZ^Laptop> it isn't in /media/
[02:05] <Biovore> phyeradmin: make sure you verify your installer disk before using it..  I have had weirdness like that before here as well..
[02:05] <phyeradmin> the media check?
[02:05] <phyeradmin> it came out clean
[02:05] <Silent_G> hello , can someone give me a name of a nice  cool graphical Easy to use p2p Client? i want something like Window's Ares
[02:06] <thrilla> so looks like kubuntu is usless to me
[02:06] <Biovore> phyeradmin:  2.5.1~rc1-0ubuntu3  <-- not sure where you picked that version up from..
[02:06] <phyeradmin> well, how do i deal with going around broken packages and getting the remaining updates?
[02:06] <thrilla> p2p client
[02:06] <thrilla> try limewire
[02:06] <ViciouZ^Laptop> Silent_G: use adept to get gtk-gnutella. but we do not encourage copyrighted files
[02:06] <Biovore> Biovore: apt-get install -f
[02:06] <Silent_G> limewire sucks
[02:06] <Silent_G> :/
[02:06] <Biovore> phyeradmin: apt-get install -f
[02:06] <ViciouZ^Laptop> frostwire
[02:06] <phyeradmin> i got it off the kubuntu site
[02:06] <Silent_G> i know ViciouZ^Laptop
[02:06] <Biovore> mldonkey
[02:06] <Silent_G> :p
[02:06] <Silent_G> im an outlaw!
[02:06] <Silent_G> lol
[02:07] <thrilla> mldonkey is aGnutella client
[02:07] <Silent_G> well
[02:07] <Silent_G> i tried Gnuttella
[02:07] <Silent_G> but its too complicated
[02:07] <Silent_G> for my taste
[02:07] <Silent_G> choosing servers and things like that
[02:07] <Silent_G> i like something simple
[02:07] <Silent_G> like Connect Search download
[02:07] <thrilla> my honest opinion
[02:07] <ViciouZ^Laptop> gnutella involves no server choosing
[02:07] <thrilla> learn to use torrents
[02:07] <ViciouZ^Laptop> that's ed2k
[02:07] <Silent_G> i use torrents dude
[02:07] <Silent_G> :p
[02:07] <ViciouZ^Laptop> and torrents > *
[02:07] <Silent_G> i have a partition for torrents
[02:08] <Silent_G> but
[02:08] <Biovore> !offtopic
[02:08] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:08] <ViciouZ^Laptop> anyone help with mounting this drive?
[02:08] <Silent_G> i dont see it cool to use torring to download 1 song
[02:08] <Silent_G> :o
[02:08] <Silent_G> *torrent
[02:08] <thrilla> i use limewire for that
[02:08] <Silent_G> it doesnt give me good speed
[02:08] <Silent_G> :S
[02:09] <thrilla> and so basicly kubuntu is usless to me bio?
[02:09] <phyeradmin> biovore:
[02:09] <phyeradmin> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.5_2.5.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[02:09] <phyeradmin>  corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive
[02:09] <phyeradmin> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[02:09] <phyeradmin> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:09] <phyeradmin>  /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.5_2.5.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[02:09] <phyeradmin> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:09] <ViciouZ^Laptop> you heard dpkg
[02:09] <ViciouZ^Laptop> corruted
[02:09] <Biovore> thrilla: for now.. something could be defunked with your install..
[02:09] <phyeradmin> something is'nt right here...this is the 6th distro i tried that kept feeding me that junk about my "file system" was corrupt
[02:10] <thrilla> the archive was corrupt phyer, no wonder if failed
[02:10] <phyeradmin> i've reformatted each install
[02:10] <phyeradmin> i dont get it
[02:10] <Biovore> you disk could be bad..
[02:10] <draik> I'm aware this is slightly off-topic, but I'll ask anyway... Does anyone know of a channel for writing? I mean writing for a book.
[02:10] <thrilla> well
[02:11] <thrilla> i have never checked the hard drive... only formatted it a few times
[02:11] <ViciouZ^Laptop> biovore, what command would i use to mount a usb mass storage device
[02:11] <Biovore> ViciouZ^Laptop: well you know what scsi block device is as assigned?
[02:11] <phyeradmin> i really hope that to not be the case
[02:12] <phyeradmin> baaad time to have a bad drive
[02:12] <ViciouZ^Laptop> [  143.894913]  scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices < does that cover it?
[02:12] <Biovore> phyeradmin: kick back to a text only (disable kde/gdm) and do "sudo mount / -o remount,ro" then do "sudo fsck /dev/<root_dev>"
[02:13] <Biovore> that will perform a disk check
[02:13] <phyeradmin> kick back to text only?...ok im lost
[02:14] <thrilla> in other words, exit xwindows
[02:14] <Biovore> phyeradmin: well in that case.. don't bother..  Its kinda complex procedure..
[02:14] <Biovore> phyeradmin: if your bios supports it.. do a low level format on the disk and mark all the bad sectors as don't use.. should by more life out of the disk.
[02:14] <ViciouZ^Laptop> [  143.894913]  scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices < does that cover it biovore?
[02:15] <ViciouZ^Laptop> oops double post, sorry
[02:15] <Biovore> well it it means its happy..
[02:15] <phyeradmin> alright i'll see if it has that function
[02:15] <Biovore> now to figure out what it did.. 1 sec will I check something on usb fs
[02:15] <thrilla> but it didn't assign it a letter
[02:15] <phyeradmin> thanks biovore
[02:15] <Biovore> thrilla: err linux.. there are no "letters"
[02:16] <thrilla> well
[02:16] <thrilla> it didn't give it a mount point
[02:16] <Biovore> you mean a device.. like /dev/sda1 or something..
[02:16] <thrilla> yep
[02:17] <ViciouZ^Laptop> yeah
[02:17] <Biovore> ViciouZ^Laptop: try a cat /proc/scsi/scsi
[02:17] <ViciouZ^Laptop> how do i give it one
[02:17] <ViciouZ^Laptop> ok
[02:17] <Biovore> ViciouZ^Laptop: does it show up there..
[02:17] <ViciouZ^Laptop> nope
[02:17] <ViciouZ^Laptop> it's connected though
[02:17] <ViciouZ^Laptop> the phone says it is
[02:18] <Biovore> well it dosn't look like linux is detecting it as a mass storage device then..
[02:19] <thrilla> what are you trying to connect?
[02:19] <ViciouZ^Laptop> a phone
[02:19] <ViciouZ^Laptop> it's always worked before
[02:19] <draik> ViciouZ^Laptop: I've been trying to connect my new Wing, but so far no luch
[02:19] <draik> *luck
[02:19] <ViciouZ^Laptop> it comes up as a 512mb removable usb mass storage device
[02:19] <thrilla> you want to connect your phone to upload mp3's to it?
[02:19] <ViciouZ^Laptop> nope
[02:19] <ViciouZ^Laptop> 3gps
[02:19] <ViciouZ^Laptop> hehe
[02:20] <Biovore> ViciouZ^Laptop: worked before on linux?
[02:20] <ViciouZ^Laptop> yeah
[02:21] <Biovore> I have noticed some weirdness with the hal/udev system as well..
[02:21] <inteliwasp> how do i set up internet sharing?
[02:21] <Biovore> inteliwasp: I am not sure if there is any easy way of doing it..
[02:22] <inteliwasp> Biovore: i am all for working in config files
[02:22] <inteliwasp> i just need to make the link transparent to the computer
[02:22] <Biovore> inteliwasp: The simplest way is to just get one of those firewall/router things from best buy.. Does the same function..
[02:22] <boris__> does anyone knows hoe to gledati
[02:22] <boris__> soulshine
[02:23] <Biovore> inteliwasp: well its just not a simple config file.. you need to setup some firewall rules and setup dhcpd deamon on you computer..
[02:23] <ViciouZ^Laptop> biovore: i have a file called 3 in /proc/scsi/usb-storage/
[02:23] <thrilla> inteliwasp: get a buffalo router
[02:23] <inteliwasp> Biovore: i do have a router but the problem is that the 2 computers are in a remote location, so no cables
[02:23] <Biovore> there are some howto on the web if you google for internet sharing linux
[02:23] <ViciouZ^Laptop> it's 0b
[02:23] <boris__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC95VDc3GkQ
[02:23] <inteliwasp> Biovore: 1 of the computers has a wireless connection and a net card
[02:24] <Biovore> inteliwasp: rgr.. and it would work if you setup that machine to share a connection..
[02:24] <thrilla> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVQLfbyp-xs
[02:25] <inteliwasp> Biovore: yep that is corect, i hope to get the link transparent ie: no second dhcp
[02:25] <boris__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7O_9a2MrZc
[02:25] <ViciouZ^Laptop> F00K YEAH
[02:25] <Biovore> inteliwasp: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91370
[02:25] <ViciouZ^Laptop> it worked! it was the phones fault
[02:26] <Biovore> haha
[02:26] <Biovore> gg
[02:26] <Biovore> (good game)
[02:26] <ViciouZ^Laptop> i hate you, motorola
[02:26] <ViciouZ^Laptop> i know what gg means thanks
[02:26] <Biovore> motorola has some linux based phone on the way out..
[02:26] <ViciouZ^Laptop> and gj with the help, even though it didnt help
[02:26] <ViciouZ^Laptop> yeah
[02:27] <boris__> is here anyine from knin
[02:27] <ViciouZ^Laptop> well guys, have fun compiling stuff and having to sort out problems that aren't kubuntus fault
[02:27] <ViciouZ^Laptop> good night and good luck, cya tomorrow
[02:28] <bonZi> question: repetively
[02:28] <bonZi> my kubuntu
[02:28] <bonZi> looses my network
[02:28] <bonZi> settings as DNS records, dunno about ip, cuz using dhcp
[02:29] <inteliwasp> Biovore: um... there looks like missing steps there...
[02:29] <Biovore> bonZi: dns servers are stored in /etc/resolv.conf
[02:29] <bonZi> i knowww..
[02:29] <bonZi> i tried to
[02:29] <bonZi> edit it
[02:29] <bonZi> in vain..
[02:29] <bonZi> i wrote my dns servers
[02:29] <bonZi> and then
[02:29] <bonZi> after a bit
[02:29] <bonZi> it re-edited
[02:29] <bonZi> the file
[02:29] <Biovore> yes.. you have to use sudp to edit it..
[02:29] <Biovore> (sudo)
[02:30] <bonZi> i know, if u dont it doesnt even let u save it..
[02:30] <Geekosaur> Greetings and salutations to y'all.  Pardon me while I lurk for a bit...
[02:30] <Biovore> bonZi: dhclient also blows out the nameserver entries when it updates..
[02:31] <bonZi> well
[02:32] <bonZi> that was something which I didnt know
[02:32] <bonZi> but,
[02:32] <bonZi> when i type the ip ( which was taken from the dhcp ) manually i dont have internet
[02:32] <bonZi> .........
[02:32] <bonZi> :)
[02:32] <Zephrin> hey I've got some questions about Kubuntu
[02:33] <Zephrin> I'm currently running Ubuntu, and I'm thinking of switching to Kubuntu.  However, I don't want to loose my home directory (pictures/documents etc..)
[02:33] <Zephrin> am I able to install a fresh version and not loose anything?
[02:35] <Geekosaur> Zephrin - Unless you have a backup of your home directory or you have it mounted on a separate drive, you will lose your data when you re-partition the drive.  That is the short answer...
[02:36] <Zephrin> ok, so basically I'm best to make a complete copy of the home directory somewhere else.. now, when I do the reinstallation, I'm assuming it would be wise to manually partition the drive and set the home directory separetly for next time.. right?
[02:38] <Geekosaur> That would be the smart move, particularly if you are distro/desktop shopping.  It is of course always a great idea to have solid backups :).
[02:38] <Zephrin> now, is there a way just to install the kdesktop on my current ubuntu install?
[02:38] <kaj> anyone know where to get this libdivxdecore
[02:39] <kaj> is that a no
[02:39] <kaj> ?????
[02:39] <Zephrin> would automatix have it?
[02:40] <Geekosaur> That gets to the long answer.  Yes you can, and it may even work.  It probably will, but library conflicts between the gnome desktop and KDE are well-known, but improving with every release.
[02:40] <kaj> so its only for gnome
[02:40] <kaj> or what
[02:41] <kaj> is it in a repository
[02:41] <Zephrin> Thanks, G... I guess I'll just work on cleaning up the system with the current gnome..
[02:41] <Geekosaur> ka- try Googling it - you will get a site that may help
[02:42] <Zephrin> yeah I think one of my main bottle necks is Synaptic. . major hardrive use whenever it is trying to do a search for files/upgrades
[02:44] <Geekosaur> I find Synaptic to be much better than the alternatives, but I will concede that 2+ years of using it with Ubu may have me somewhat set in my ways.
[02:45] <Geekosaur> It does load up the hardware, but keep in mind what it is trying to do.  It effectively manages all thye dependencies for you, and does it well.
[02:46] <Zephrin> well I have times where the harddrive just won't stop working, slowing everything down for about 5 minutes or so..
[02:48] <Geekosaur> That is a different problem.  How full is your drive?
[02:48] <Zephrin> 50%
[02:49] <Geekosaur> Have you tried using automatix or adept to see what happens?  I don't have full configence in their depency management, but from a diagnostic level the compare might help point.
[02:51] <Zephrin> yeah just getting the new automatxi now
[02:53] <Geekosaur> Good.  It may help.  I used if for some of the multimedia stuff.
[02:54] <Zephrin> I think the one major problem I keep having si trying to get my pocketpc runnign/syncing..
[03:02] <Geekosaur> What OS are you running in your pocketpc, and who makes it?
[03:02] <Geekosaur> Sorry I disappeared - landline...
[03:07] <Geekosaur> Well folks, I am afraid I am outa here.  Enjoy Feisty - until Gutsy arrives and once more into the valley of death, etc. etc.
[03:19] <hacker128> hello
[03:19] <hacker128> anyone here?
[03:20] <underdog5004> yes
[03:20] <hacker128> figures.
[03:20] <underdog5004> what does?
[03:20] <underdog5004> ask a silly question...
[03:20] <hacker128> what does kubuntu mean?
[03:20] <underdog5004> Ubuntu + KDE
[03:21] <underdog5004> hacker128, no, I meant, you asked a silly question. There are obviously people here
[03:21] <hacker128> oh.
[03:21] <hacker128> nothing was happening, so i thought i had a bug.
[03:21] <hacker128> guess not.
[03:22] <hacker128> well, unless some stumulating disscussion is going to happen...
[03:22] <Biovore> never going to happen
[03:23] <Pupeno> What does it mean that a package has a build dependency: ghc6 (<< 6.6+)? bigger than 6.6? smaller than?
[03:23] <Biovore> you have a version new then what you want to install
[03:24] <Biovore> (using 3rd parity repos probably)
[03:24] <Pupeno> I am not trying to install anything, I am trying to build.
[03:25] <abcdefghijklmnop> hi
[03:25] <Pupeno> In the dependencies of a package it says: Depends: ghc6 (>= 6.6), ghc6 (<< 6.6+), what's the second part?
[03:26] <Biovore> Pupeno: this though apt?
[03:26] <Pupeno> Biovore: I don't think apt has anything to do when you run dpkg-buildpackage, but I am not 100% sure.
[03:27] <Biovore> ah.. I see what you doing.. you making a .deb
[03:27] <Biovore> you using debhelper?
[03:27] <Pupeno> yes, I am building a package.
[03:27] <Pupeno> Biovore: I haven't made the package, so I am not 100% sure.
[03:27] <jhutchins> Ah, there we are, bottom of the page of products/whatisubuntu: "Ubuntu is an African word meaning 'Humanity to others', or 'I am what I am because of who we all are'. "
[03:27] <Biovore> I only done it once or twice, and that was awhile..
[03:28] <Biovore> you can ask in #ubuntu-devel (I think thats the channel)
[03:28] <jhutchins> I wonder which of the several hundred African languages it's from?
[03:28] <Biovore> no clue.. I think its common to serverial of them.. there more like dialects..
[03:28] <JagerX> anyone know of a good guide to installing ati drivers, ive tried a couple and envy/easyubuntu but nothin seems to work
[03:29] <Biovore> JagerX: !ati
[03:29] <Biovore> !ati
[03:29] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:29] <JagerX> !ati
[03:29] <jhutchins> Biovore: I'm nt sure, but it looks like that means ==6.6 only.
[03:29] <Biovore> ati on linux == kinda crappy at the moument..  ATI needs to make some better drivers..
[03:29] <Biovore> jhutchins: yeah its a dpkg-build thing..
[03:29] <jhutchins> Er, that was for Pupeno
[03:30] <JagerX> thanks Biovore
[03:30] <jhutchins> I think it's Dell that has recently asked ATI to get their act together with regard to linux drivers.
[03:30] <jhutchins> Mind you, ATI has no problems with basic 2D functionality that is what 99 percent of computer WORK is.
[03:31] <jhutchins> It's just 3D effects, mostly for gaming, where it falls short.
[03:31] <Biovore> well the intell chipsets are the same..
[03:31] <hacker128> hi
[03:31] <Biovore> and I you don't have to spend $200 for on of them.. :-P
[03:31] <hacker128> foobarvax
[03:32] <hacker128> it works.
[03:32] <hacker128> finally.
[03:32] <Biovore> hmm vax
[03:32] <Biovore> and vms
[03:32] <NickPresta> jhutchins, I just watched the short video from the people who put together the Dellbuntus and they said that they're going to start pressuring AMD/ATI to either release the specs so they can reverse engineer better drivers or to create a good driver. Let us hope Dell pushing for better drivers = action
[03:32] <hacker128> what i had on my clipboard.
[03:33] <NickPresta> jhutchins, and I just missed your message at 21:30:50 where you say that Dell has asked ATI...
[03:33] <NickPresta> >_>
[03:33] <jhutchins> NickPresta: Hey, I thought that was great backup!
[03:33] <NickPresta> =D
[03:33] <hacker128> wi-fi on dapper disconnects at startup.
[03:33] <hacker128> any ideas?
[03:33] <jhutchins> NickPresta: I saw it on slashdot or somewhere.
[03:34] <NickPresta> jhutchins, yeah, I picked the /. link off Digg
[03:34] <jhutchins> hacker128: Disconnects when?
[03:34] <jhutchins> hacker128: Presumably it connects, then...
[03:34] <hacker128> at boot time! i have to reconfigure wifi.
[03:34] <JagerX> where is the restricted drivers manager in kubuntu?
[03:34] <hacker128> every time.
[03:34] <jhutchins> hacker128: Does it disconnect, or does it not connect at boot?
[03:35] <NickPresta> JagerX, `sudo apt-get install restrictedmanager`
[03:35] <JagerX> ty
[03:35] <hacker128> it doesnt connect.
[03:35] <NickPresta> JagerX, `sudo apt-get install restricted-manager`, sorry
[03:35] <jhutchins> Ok, so it's not like it's coming up then something is taking it down.
[03:35] <jhutchins> hacker128: It sounds like it's simply not saving your settings, is that correct?
[03:36] <jhutchins> hacker128: Are you using native drivers or ndiswrapper, or madwifi?
[03:36] <winbond> NickPresta: do you know how to update a driver from restricted manager?
[03:36] <JagerX> NickPresta: it looks like the driver installed, i have the catalyst control center in the main menu but all resolutions arent showing up. any ideas?
[03:37] <NickPresta> JagerX, sorry, I don't know what the problem could be. I've only had experience with nvidia drivers and they have all worked rather flawlessly. Have you restarted X since you installed the drivers?
[03:37] <winbond> JagerX: you need to reconfigure the xserver to use fglrx driver after you install it
[03:37] <NickPresta> winbond, no. I let `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` take care of updating my drivers =)
[03:38] <JagerX> winbond do i have to manually edit a conf to do that?
[03:38] <NickPresta> JagerX, if that is the solution, you would edit: /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change all occurrences of 'ati' to 'fglrx', I assume
[03:39] <runlevelten> JagerX:  if you drop the following into a console: grep fglrx /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:39] <runlevelten> the result should be         Driver          "fglrx"
[03:39] <runlevelten> with no # sign at the beginning.
[03:39] <runlevelten> If it is, restart and away you go.
[03:39] <winbond> JagerX: you need  to run sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg,  but this command is not exact, i forgot
[03:40] <c2c2rock-puptop> NVIDIA GeForce 6100 and nForce 410 Chipset
[03:40] <c2c2rock-puptop> - HyperTransport link to the AMD Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 x2 / Athlon 64 CPU
[03:40] <c2c2rock-puptop> - HyperTransport supporting speed up to 800MHz.
[03:40] <jhutchins> !fixres
[03:40] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:40] <c2c2rock-puptop> seems everybuddy is havin Xorg issues
[03:40] <NickPresta> c2c2rock-puptop, two or three people hardly seems like everybody :)
[03:40] <jhutchins> c2c2rock-puptop: They are among the things in ubuntu that are complex to set up correctly and sometimes go wrong.
[03:41] <jhutchins> c2c2rock-puptop: We also see a lot of requests for wifi help and sound.
[03:41] <JagerX> thanks runlevelten
[03:41] <c2c2rock-puptop> i have been in here 5 times or so in the last 2 days and everytime there is peeps quacking about similar issues
[03:41] <jhutchins> c2c2rock-puptop: Yup.
[03:41] <jhutchins> c2c2rock-puptop: Conversely, consider the elements of the system that you _don't_ see being talked about much.
[03:41] <NickPresta> I find xorg problems to be a fairly "newbie" problem. I remember my first couple of months with GNU+Linux lead to several X problems (they usually occurred after an update for X) but after some time, you figure out how to fix them yourself in little or no time.
[03:41] <runlevelten> np.
[03:42] <c2c2rock-puptop> i still cannot get it to work properly i even went and installed puppy and madriva on the same machine to see I have no resolution issues in either on this machne
[03:43] <jhutchins> c2c2rock-puptop: Nobody will mind if you prefer to run them.
[03:43] <c2c2rock-puptop> mandriva* 2007.1
[03:43] <c2c2rock-puptop> the is not it
[03:43] <jhutchins> c2c2rock-puptop: Have you considered copying the xorg.conf from one of them to see if that fixes the problem?
[03:43] <c2c2rock-puptop> Your not hearing me
[03:43] <c2c2rock-puptop> n yes
[03:43] <c2c2rock-puptop> no it did not work
[03:43] <runlevelten> c2c2rock-puptop: back up the /etc/X11/xorg.conf you get from those and use it to get the same out of kubuntu.
[03:43] <runlevelten> don't copy it straight across.
[03:43] <c2c2rock-puptop> yeah
[03:43] <NickPresta> c2c2rock-puptop, what sort of hardware do you have? I can't imagine your case is so unique that you have not found a solution yet.
[03:43] <c2c2rock-puptop> wtd
[03:44] <runlevelten> read the relevant sections from it.
[03:44] <c2c2rock-puptop> NVIDIA GeForce 6100 and nForce 410 Chipset
[03:44] <c2c2rock-puptop> - HyperTransport link to the AMD Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 x2 / Athlon 64 CPU
[03:44] <c2c2rock-puptop> - HyperTransport supporting speed up to 800MHz.
[03:44] <jhutchins> runlevelten: Exactly.
[03:44] <c2c2rock-puptop> brand new machine in fact
[03:44] <runlevelten> If you copy bits across, it will just break.
[03:44] <winbond> c2c2rock-puptop: whats ur problem?
[03:44] <runlevelten> Sorry, if you copy the whole file across, it will break.
[03:44] <jhutchins> c2c2rock-puptop: Perhaps so new that no developers have worked with one long enough to write drivers just for you?
[03:44] <c2c2rock-puptop> cannot get any higher than 800x600 res
[03:44] <runlevelten> flipping pebcak errors over here.
[03:45] <jhutchins> c2c2rock-puptop: Perhaps you should consider donating one so they can get to work.
[03:45] <winbond> c2c2rock-puptop: u installed the driver and reconfigured xserver?
[03:45] <c2c2rock-puptop> i only have this issue in kubuntu
[03:45] <NickPresta> c2c2rock-puptop, a quick google search has lead me to several websites that deal with the onboard nvidia 6100. would you care to see the links?
[03:46] <jhutchins> runlevelten: why wouldn't a mandriva xorg.conf work on kubuntu?
[03:46] <c2c2rock-puptop> i have and this is my 8th install
[03:46] <raylu> jhutchins, different versions of x? different binaries availible
[03:46] <c2c2rock-puptop> i have prolly been there already
[03:46] <c2c2rock-puptop> jhutchins: won't be a support method no worries
[03:47] <winbond> c2c2rock-puptop: u know when u do xserver config, u get to choose which resolutions to use, did you go through that part?
[03:48] <c2c2rock-puptop> yes i have tried everything i could possibly find aside from building my own hack
[03:48] <jhutchins> He's been everywhere, tried everything, he's just here to vent.
[03:48] <c2c2rock-puptop> even tried the 915resolution
[03:48] <c2c2rock-puptop> no i am here to find support
[03:49] <winbond> c2c2rock-puptop: what is the command u used to config xserver?
[03:49] <runlevelten> jhutchins: I'd be more likely to ask "could I recommend it as something that will work" - for a start the "files" section can go a bit awry between distros.
[03:49] <runlevelten> mouse devs, fonts, etc.
[03:51] <c2c2rock-puptop> what was that again ?
[03:51] <c2c2rock-puptop> um
[03:51] <c2c2rock-puptop> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-orr
[03:51] <c2c2rock-puptop> g
[03:51] <jhutchins> Well, it's more SysV/RedHat/LSB compliant, but I think X is X.  I'll do a compare and let you know some time.
[03:52] <jhutchins> !fixres | c2c2rock-puptop
[03:52] <ubotu> c2c2rock-puptop: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:52] <jhutchins> Darn, sorry, it used to be in one of those.
[03:52] <winbond> c2c2rock-puptop: yeah, you could have picked the wrong driver,
[03:52] <NickPresta> c2c2rock-puptop, try these two links: http://pastebin.ca/636609
[03:52] <c2c2rock-puptop> it picks nv by default
[03:52] <winbond> c2c2rock-puptop: in the xserver config?
[03:53] <winbond> c2c2rock-puptop: yeah , but there are probaby more than 1 nvidia drivers on ur computer
[03:53] <jhutchins> c2c2rock-puptop: Have you asked for help in #nvidia ?
[03:54] <c2c2rock-puptop> ok then it should just detect them like on other distros
[03:54] <winbond> c2c2rock-puptop: ull have open sourve nv drivers, and u gonna have the binary ones
[03:54] <winbond> c2c2rock-puptop: it picks the default open source driver by default
[03:54] <c2c2rock-puptop> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto   I went here several times ubotu
[03:54] <neptunepink> how do I compile a kernel module? (it's fuse...)
[03:54] <jhutchins> c2c2rock-puptop: It's a known feature that if you run the nv driver with some cards, you won't get all the available resolution.
[03:55] <jhutchins> c2c2rock-puptop: The reason is that the nv drivers work with all the nvidia cards, at least at some resolution.
[03:55] <jhutchins> c2c2rock-puptop: The other drivers don't, and there are license issues.
[03:55] <runlevelten> jhutchins: I'd certainly take the modelines, driver config etc and lift them straight across routinely, but the bit I mention can vary pretty wildly
[03:55] <runlevelten> *bits
[03:56] <jhutchins> I think what I'll do is see what the live CD comes up with on my Mandriva box and compare them.
[03:56] <hasan> is there a stardict to mobipocket converter ?
[03:56] <c2c2rock-puptop> live mandriva is nothing like mandriva 2007.1
[03:57] <jhutchins> c2c2rock-puptop: Ubotu is a bot.
[03:57] <c2c2rock-puptop> tell the bot togth
[03:57] <jhutchins> c2c2rock-puptop: I triggered it because there used to be a factoid that had the dpkg command to reconfigure x.
[03:57] <jhutchins> If it's still there, I don't remember the trigger.
[03:59] <jhutchins> c2c2rock-puptop: Really, I think you should just run mandriva and be happy, stop beating yourself up.
[03:59] <winbond> jhutchins: he used that already, but i think he didnt choose the right driver
[04:00] <winbond> jhutchins: or maybe something else is scewd
[04:01] <runlevelten> night all.
[04:01] <JagerX> runlevelten: check everythin and it looked good but still same deal, not showing all resolutions
[04:01] <JagerX> booo lol
[04:06] <neptunepink> how do I compile kernel modules?
[04:07] <winbond> does anyone know where is the resolution/refresh setting for the login screen?
[04:10] <underdog5004> winbond, what do you mean?
[04:11] <underdog5004> Control + Alt + Backspace will restart the Xserver
[04:11] <winbond> underdog5004: the logins screen, where u enter login and password
[04:11] <c2c2rock-puptop> maybe it will help if you hit CTRL ALT DEL 3 times
[04:11] <underdog5004> winbond, I know what the login screen is. I'm asking what exactly you want to do.
[04:12] <winbond> underdog5004: i want to set the resulution and the refresh rate for that screnn, because its not the same as my desktop settings
[04:12] <NickPresta> winbond, really? It's the same for me. Strange.
[04:13] <underdog5004> winbond, I don't know. I've had the same problem, but I never have to reboot, so not a biggie for me...
[04:13] <underdog5004> ha ha
[04:13] <c2c2rock-puptop> yeah who cares about a darn splash the desktop needs a resolution overhaul
[04:14] <winbond> underdog5004: i dont have to reboot either but its annoying , couse the creen jumps couse of the wrong refresh rate
[04:14] <NickPresta> c2c2rock-puptop, you seem a little frustrated. Everything will be okay. =)
[04:14] <c2c2rock-puptop> i am frustrated BigThyme :P
[04:15] <c2c2rock-puptop> yeah i am....
[04:15] <underdog5004> winbond, just bear with it...or use google...
[04:16] <underdog5004> c2c2rock-puptop, so, what's the problem?
[04:16] <winbond> c2c2rock-puptop: whats ur video chip ?
[04:16] <c2c2rock-puptop> NVIDIA GeForce 6100 and nForce 410 Chipset
[04:16] <underdog5004> nice card, sketcky chipset
[04:16] <underdog5004> I think that linux has generally had poor support for nvidia chipsets, hasn't it?
[04:17] <c2c2rock-puptop> this is the first distro i have had trouble with
[04:17] <NickPresta> underdog5004, I haven't had problems with nvidia anything
[04:17] <ahmad> hallo every one
[04:17] <NickPresta> hi
[04:17] <underdog5004> oh...maybe I misunderstood. I've got a pretty bad memory, ha ha!
[04:17] <ahmad> how are u today?
[04:18] <NickPresta> underdog5004, it's possible that there isn't great support for nvidia chipsets. I'm just saying that I have yet to have any trouble =P
[04:18] <underdog5004> ah, good!
[04:19] <andyho623> hey everyone! would anyone know why I would get $ Segmentation fault (core dumped) when trying to open firefox or thunderbird? I just installed the kubuntu desktop today after using ubuntu for the last 2 weeks
[04:19] <NickPresta> andyho623, which version of Firefox and where did you get it from?
[04:20] <andyho623> it's 2.0.05? is that the newest? I installed it from mozilla
[04:20] <kleydo> does anyone know a good tv tuner program????
[04:20] <rrbiz> tvtime pretty cool
[04:21] <winbond> mythtv?
[04:21] <rrbiz> didn't find mythtv as easy to setup and much bigger
[04:21] <SilentDis> hello :)
[04:21] <NickPresta> andyho623, there is Firefox 2.0.0.5 in the repos and it should work without seg-faulting =)
[04:21] <kleydo> yeah thanksss!!!!
[04:21] <kleydo> downloading
[04:22] <winbond> andyho623: some packages are probably broken
[04:22] <winbond> andyho623: did you do update/upgrade yet?
[04:22] <andyho623> hmmm should I just go into Synaptic and unistall and then reinstall it?
[04:22] <SilentDis> just curious:  any devs try out KDE4 yet?  how's it shaping up?
[04:23] <NickPresta> andyho623, you said you got Firefox from mozilla. Did you mean you downloaded it from mozilla.com?
[04:23] <andyho623> yes.. when I installed ubuntu it only had 1. somethin.. so then I installed the update
[04:24] <winbond> by any chance , does any one know where i can get the source code to the first kernel?
[04:24] <NickPresta> winbond, http://kernel.org/ ?
[04:25] <SilentDis> winbond: there was a post about that on /. recently, but yet, kernel.org would be your best source
[04:25] <NickPresta> winbond, http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v1.0/
[04:26] <winbond> NickPresta: great , thanks
[04:26] <NickPresta> andyho623, so you updated from Firefox 1.x to Firefox 2.0.0.5 through Synaptic and then when you start firefox from the console, it instantly crashes with a seg-fault?
[04:26] <winbond> SilentDis: thanks
[04:27] <raylu> anyone happen to know how to set the resolution of my tty?
[04:27] <andyho623> NickPresta: It doesn't load.. if I go into konsole and type in firefox thats the error Iget
[04:29] <NickPresta> andyho623, do you have any custom sources.list locations that might contain a "broken" version of Firefox? I can't see how a standard repo. application like Firefox would seg-fault.
[04:29] <winbond> andyho623: you can install firefox like this, sudo apt-get install firefox
[04:30] <andyho623> can I install it "overtop" of the existing one?
[04:30] <SilentDis> NickPresta: i've seen firefox go wonky from standard repos if you've got other odd stuff from other repos, as well as weird plugins.  Beryl did it for a while for me, as example
[04:32] <andyho623> hmm about the only other thing I can think of is I also used the ubuntuzilla script?! but firefox didn't want to update at all before Iused that..
[04:32] <robotgeek> ubuntuzilla?
[04:32] <NickPresta> robotgeek, http://pykeylogger.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Ubuntuzilla
[04:32] <NickPresta> Sorta like Envy or something
[04:33] <robotgeek> oh okay.
[04:33] <winbond> andyho623: how did you install the firefox in the first place?
[04:34] <andyho623> hmm so I tried to install it and got... andyho@andyho-ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install firefox
[04:34] <andyho623> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:34] <andyho623> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[04:34] <NickPresta> I don't know why you would want to use Ubuntuzilla as there will only be periodic security updates for Fx for a while anyways (Certainly nothing more than security updates until Gutsy comes out)
[04:35] <NickPresta> andyho623, do you have Synaptic open?
[04:35] <andyho623> ohh doh... should not work on computers while drinking! LOL!
[04:35] <NickPresta> andyho623, use Ubuntuzilla to remove Firefox. `python ~/ubuntuzilla.py -a remove -p firefox`
[04:36] <andyho623> would there be a way to save my bookmarks and plugins so Idon't have to reinstall them?
[04:37] <NickPresta> andyho623, Bookmarks > Organize Bookmarks > File > Export
[04:38] <NickPresta> andyho623, to backup your extensions and themes, use these: http://customsoftwareconsult.com/extensions/febe/febe.html and http://customsoftwareconsult.com/extensions/cleo/cleo.html
[04:39] <ice9__> anybody know anything about the Gens emulator? Getting some cackly sounds
[04:39] <c2c2rock-puptop> Burn  it
[04:39] <NickPresta> c2c2rock-puptop, ?
[04:40] <c2c2rock-puptop> if it doesn't work Burn IT LOL jk
[04:40] <miles> !find compiz
[04:40] <ubotu> Found: compiz, compiz-core, compiz-dev, compiz-gnome, compiz-gtk (and 7 others)
[04:40] <ice9__> !find assholes
[04:40] <ubotu> Package/file assholes does not exist in feisty
[04:40] <ice9__> :<
[04:41] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> !botabuse
[04:41] <c2c2rock-puptop> !shitheads
[04:41] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> !ohmy
[04:41] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[04:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shitheads - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:41] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:41] <andyho623> brb :)
[04:41] <soulrider> hello
[04:42] <ice9__> hello friend!
[04:42] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> hi
[04:42] <c2c2rock-puptop> bring on the angry Ops\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
[04:42] <soulrider> im doing some translating, but im not sure of what "axis padding" is, could somebody explain it a bit ?
[04:42] <NickPresta> c2c2rock-puptop, if you're here to troll, please go elsewhere.
[04:43] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> I love my new Dell Ubuntu PC. Well, Dell "Kubuntu" PC now. XD
[04:43] <ice9__> so um how do I make the clock in standard format, instead of military time
[04:44] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> ice9__: Right-click the clock and select "Date
[04:44] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Sorry. "Date and Time Format"
[04:44] <c2c2rock-puptop> i wuz here to get support but none helped so i will do as I please dear sir
[04:44] <mistknight> Hello all, I've installed beryl and it's working great, but I can't get it to autostart. I've added beryl-manager to the .Autostart folder but when it start it's manager is set to kwin rather than beryl. Any suggestions?
[04:45] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> ice9__: Look under the "Time & Date" tab.
[04:45] <ice9__> okay
[04:45] <NickPresta> c2c2rock-puptop, are you kidding? We were trying to help you for quite a while. You refused to try anything we suggested because "you've done it all before" and then stormed out of here like a spoiled child.  Please grow up.
[04:45] <c2c2rock-puptop> WSHAT
[04:45] <mistknight> I'm using kubuntu feisty
[04:45] <c2c2rock-puptop> sljbbgfkjhbkednoljbnv
[04:45] <c2c2rock-puptop> shtrfx
[04:45] <c2c2rock-puptop> xft
[04:45] <c2c2rock-puptop> t
[04:45] <c2c2rock-puptop> rs
[04:45] <soulrider> !ops
[04:45] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[04:46] <NickPresta> thank you, soulrider, robotgeek
[04:46] <soulrider> thanks ops :)
[04:46] <robotgeek> :)
[04:46] <soulrider> i hanvt been here in a while
[04:46] <soulrider> i used to come here all the time :( i miss this place
[04:46] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> ice9__: The dropdown box next to "Time format" should have an option for "pH:MM:SS AMPM". That will give you what you want after you log out anf back in.
[04:46] <mistknight> guys, any help apprecited here :(
[04:46] <soulrider> mistknight: whats wrong ?
[04:46] <NickPresta> !repeat | mistknight
[04:46] <ubotu> mistknight: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[04:47] <c2c2rock-puptop> I have tried FNA
[04:47] <NickPresta> oops, wrong trigger. I meant to say, repeat your question...
[04:47] <c2c2rock-puptop> i have tried everything you offered
[04:47] <ice9__> so   okay cool, thank you
[04:47] <c2c2rock-puptop> NONE workd
[04:47] <c2c2rock-puptop> SO FUCK YOU
[04:47] <mistknight> soulrider: I've added beryl-manager to the .Autostart folder, but it starts defaulted to kwin rather than beryl.
[04:47] <c2c2rock-puptop> SO FUCK YOU
[04:47] <NickPresta> c2c2rock-puptop, then what do you expect us to do? We are volunteers offering our time and effort.
[04:47] <c2c2rock-puptop> SO FUCK YOU
[04:47] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> ...
[04:48] <robotgeek> c2c2rock-puptop: please behave!
[04:48] <leonardo> hola
[04:49] <soulrider> hola leonardo
[04:49] <soulrider> !es | leonardo
[04:49] <ubotu> leonardo: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:49] <soulrider> leonardo: just english here please :P
[04:49] <NickPresta> mistknight, when you exist your current session (through shutdown or logoff), do you have Beryl set to use KWin?
[04:49] <leonardo> hello
[04:49] <c2c2rock-puptop> don't assume I never Tried because I have Tried !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:49] <NickPresta> mistknight, exit your current session*
[04:49] <soulrider> mistknight: uhm, no idea, maybe some setting? i would chek the beryl forums actually
[04:49] <robotgeek> c2c2rock-puptop: yeah, but that does not make it okay for you to shout your mouth off!
[04:49] <mistknight> NickPresta: nope, it's set to beryl
[04:49] <c2c2rock-puptop> shut the f up ASSS wipe
[04:49] <NickPresta> c2c2rock-puptop, that is fine but you don't understand that we didn't write Ubuntu (at least I don't think anyone here did) so if we can't immediately solve your problem, you will just have to wait or try elsewhere.
[04:49] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> ...
[04:50] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> He just doesn't know when to stop...
[04:50] <NickPresta> heh
[04:50] <robotgeek> good riddance
[04:50] <NickPresta> if this weren't a support channel, i would say to keep him since he is mildly entertaining.
[04:50] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Thank you, robotgeek,
[04:50] <soulrider> lol  NickPresta
[04:50] <soulrider> thanks robo :P
[04:50] <NickPresta> mistknight, I don't know of a solution but I have this problem too, sometimes.
[04:51] <mistknight> NickPresta: Actually that was another thing that bothered me, shouldn't everything be kept exactly the same as when you exit? Isn't that the whole idea behind the sessions?
[04:52] <NickPresta> mistknight, try changing a couple settings in ~/.beryl-managerrc. There appears to be a active_wm setting and such.
[04:53] <mistknight> NickPresta: Thanks, I'll try that and see if it helps
[04:54] <NickPresta> mistknight, if it does, please tell me so I can make the same changes ;)
[04:54] <NickPresta> >_>
[04:54] <trowa47> Hello all
[04:55] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> O_O;
[04:55] <NickPresta> !hi | trowa47
[04:55] <ubotu> trowa47: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[04:55] <BillTheFish> howdy
[04:55] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> hi
[04:55] <trowa47> hello
[04:56] <savetheWorld> arf arf
[04:56] <klobster_> meow? uh, oh!
[04:56] <trowa47> I got kubuntu edgy up and runing its working good
[04:57] <trowa47> and its filling good as well ;)
[04:57] <[Apollo] -AFK> good night, everyone! :)
[04:58] <BillTheFish> Just have a quick question.. I've downloaded a game.. its a .run file.. i can execute the file.. but it says that /tmp doesn't have enough space to decompress the package.. can i delete a thing or two in the /tmp directory without fu*king up something else?
[04:59] <[Apollo] -AFK> BillTheFish: depends on what process is currently using the temp directory and how important the data is, the process is working on.
[04:59] <[Apollo] -AFK> processes are*
[05:01] <Gskater26> Does anyone know how to configure laptop touchpads to not click when you tap the pad?
[05:01] <BillTheFish> Hrmm.. if you couldent tell i'm still new to all of this.. slowly learning.. how can i get this game to decompress / install with a lack of space in the /tmp directory?
[05:02] <robotgeek> Gskater26: what laptop?
[05:02] <Gskater26> It's a gateway 3040GZ.
[05:02] <robotgeek> sorry, i only know how to do it on a ibook :)
[05:02] <[Apollo] -AFK> BillTheFish: I'm a noob too, sorry
[05:02] <Gskater26> No problem.
[05:05] <[Apollo] -AFK> hi Schuenemann :)
[05:06] <Schuenemann> hey brother
[05:06] <[Apollo] -AFK> hope everything is fine :) ... so, time for bed now, and this time I mean it. :D
[05:06] <[Apollo] -AFK> see you later
[05:06] <Schuenemann> see you in another life
[05:06] <[Apollo] -AFK> Desmond? :D
[05:06] <BillTheFish> here is what it says.. might help someone with more knowlegde.. hehe i'm lacking in that department "Not enough space left in /tmp (349252 KB) to decompress /media/sda1/Saved/Sagage_withsep3t.run (391256 KB) <new line> Consider setting TMPDIR to a directory with more free space"
[05:07] <Schuenemann> hehe
[05:07] <[Apollo] -AFK> you know what I'm talking about, do you?
[05:07] <[Apollo] -AFK> :P
[05:07] <Schuenemann> sure
[05:07] <[Apollo] -AFK> heh
[05:07] <[Apollo] -AFK> I'm looking forward for the 4th season, do you?
[05:07] <[Apollo] -AFK> -for +to
[05:08] <BillTheFish> how would i change TMPDIR to a different directory? command line switch? and what would that be?
[05:08] <Schuenemann> yes, but it isn't on tv yet, is it?
[05:08] <[Apollo] -AFK> no, starts in Feb 2008... BillTheFish: I don't know sorry :(
[05:09] <klobster_> you want to change /tmp?  why?
[05:09] <[Apollo] -AFK> cya all
[05:09] <[Apollo] -AFK> klobster_: <BillTheFish> here is what it says.. might help someone with more knowlegde.. hehe i'm lacking in that department "Not enough space left in /tmp (349252 KB) to decompress /media/sda1/Saved/Sagage_withsep3t.run (391256 KB) <new line> Consider setting TMPDIR to a directory with more free space"
[05:09] <klobster_> that's not a naming issue
[05:10] <Schuenemann> isn't the disk full?
[05:10] <klobster_> !wayttd
[05:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wayttd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:11] <klobster_> oops, wrong bot
[05:11] <klobster_> what are you trying to do?
[05:12] <klobster_> try the df command, it will tell you about your cuurent disk usage, and paste to me please?
[05:13] <KevinBristol> Could someone help me configure a touchpad to not click when I tap on it?
[05:13] <klobster_> I lost the game
[05:32] <jhutchins> ooh.  Impatinet
[05:33] <drkfce> Hi all, is anyone here experience with tftp?
[05:33] <drkfce> experienced*
[05:34] <voidmage> anyone know what's up with the latest nvidia drivers and: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. ?
[05:38] <hamadooo> ahmed
[05:40] <arun> my azureus has just stopped downloading things
[05:40] <hamadooo> why
[05:40] <arun> i wish i knew
[05:53] <archaios7> Evening everyone; if I wanted to help out on some developing for Kubuntu/KDE would I be better served by learning Ruby instead of Python?  I've already started Python because it's recommended for Ubuntu, but I hear Ruby is better supported for QT4?
[05:54] <ardchoille> !automatix
[05:54] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[05:54] <hamadooo> so automatix is not good
[05:54] <Biovore> archaios7: try ubuntu-devel
[05:55] <voidmage> anyone know what's up with the latest nvidia drivers and: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. ?
[05:56] <archaios7> Graci.
[06:01] <inteliwasp> any know a bit about getting firestarter working?
[06:02] <makuseru> how do i run a .bin file?
[06:03] <Biovore> chmod +x <filename>.bin
[06:03] <Biovore> sh ./<filename>.bin
[06:04] <makuseru> thank you
[06:04] <ardchoille> What is the remote desktop feature in kubuntu?
[06:04] <ardchoille> !remote
[06:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about remote - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:04] <makuseru> !VNC
[06:04] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[06:11] <dsmith_> how can I downgrade from wine 0.9.41 to 0.9.36?
[06:13] <Biovore> dsmith_: you try apt get upgrade (if its in apt)
[06:13] <Biovore> ?
[06:13] <dsmith_> yea
[06:13] <dsmith_> Ies4linux has an issue
[06:13] <dsmith_> so i must downgrade
[06:14] <Biovore> oh.. well probably want to uninstall wine apt package and install from source..
[06:14] <dsmith_> I could not find an option in there for it
[06:14] <dsmith_> ok I found a wiki for it
[06:15] <Biovore> ok cool
[06:16] <dsmith_> its written for ubuntu but I should be able to figure it out
[06:21] <dsmith_> ok its working now
[06:21] <dsmith_> I installed an older version and locked the package so it would not update
[06:21] <dsmith_> :)
[06:21] <Biovore> hehe forums/wiki good!!! :-)
[06:22] <dsmith_> yep
[06:22] <ardchoille> Can I get kbuntu to connect to my phone?
[06:22] <dsmith_> I just learned about sudi -i cmd
[06:22] <dsmith_> sudo I meant
[06:22] <Biovore> rgr... there is also sudo -s
[06:22] <dsmith_> lol, there are like 3-5 different ways to do things in linux for the same thing
[06:22] <defiantrican> Hello everyone, can someone help me install nvidia drivers please
[06:23] <ardchoille> !nvidia | defiantrican
[06:23] <ubotu> defiantrican: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:23] <ardchoille> !fixadept
[06:23] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:24] <defiantrican> How do I know which one to install or which version I am using?
[06:24] <ice9__> hey all, I'm fairly new to the linux thing, I've noticed that pretty much only 1 application can use sound at a time, there a way to fix that?
[06:25] <ardchoille> !smart
[06:25] <ubotu> smart is another meta-package manager available for Ubuntu. It's quite stable, uses APT's repositories, can handle mirrors/multiple-connections, and is supposed to make Ubuntu BiArch-compatible. See http://labix.org/smart and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SmartPackageManager
[06:25] <dthacker> ice9__: how much noise do you really want?
[06:26] <ice9__> well I'd like to be able to play games and listen to music at the same time, you know?
[06:27] <dthacker> I'm no expert but there is a mixer, you may want to try that.
[06:28] <Biovore> ice9__: yes.. but everything need to run using alsa.. OSS emulation only allows 1 at a time.. install alsa-utils (Ithink) and run your programs using aoss <programname>
[06:29] <xsacha> !fortran
[06:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fortran - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:29] <xsacha> !g77
[06:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about g77 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:29] <ice9__> alright, I'll give it a shot. Thanks buddy
[06:29] <xsacha> !octave
[06:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about octave - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:30] <defiantrican> Can anyone help me with nvidia drivers please. I went to the site that ubotu gave me but I am still lost
[06:32] <Biovore> octave... yay!!!
[06:36] <ardchoille> How do I get kubuntu to connect to my cell phone?
[06:36] <dsmith_> defiantrican: do you have a nvidia card or board?
[06:38] <defiantrican> nvidia card dsmith
[06:38] <xsacha> ardchoille: dunno but i know how to get kubuntu on your cell phone
[06:38] <ardchoille> xsacha: o.O
[06:38] <ardchoille> Nice!
[06:38] <dsmith_> defiantrican: I use automatix to install nvidia drivers
[06:38] <dsmith_> but..
[06:38] <ardchoille> !automatix | defiantrican
[06:38] <ubotu> defiantrican: Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[06:39] <xsacha> what does it mean when my hard drive starts going "rmmm rmmm rmmm rmmm" it short bursts?
[06:39] <defiantrican> oh, Then I should not try that
[06:39] <xsacha> it doesnt usually do this
[06:39] <dsmith_> you can also try install the software drivers from within adept
[06:40] <Mr_Sonoma> are you sure its the hard disk?
[06:40] <dsmith_> could be the fan
[06:40] <ardchoille> defiantrican: HAve you tried the docs page for nvidia drivers?
[06:40] <kalorin`> anyone know if there's a plugin yet for konquerer that will view .dng files (adobe digital negative)
[06:40] <kalorin`> ?
[06:40] <xsacha> i guess.. i only have one fan though and didnt think it was that loud
[06:40] <Mr_Sonoma> and not a fan? cause my processor fan did that before it died
[06:40] <arun> !info kaboodle
[06:40] <ubotu> kaboodle: light, embedded media player for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 147 kB, installed size 544 kB
[06:40] <xsacha> yeah i only have a processor fan
[06:40] <dsmith_> xsacha: pull the cover off
[06:41] <xsacha> and it hasn't been cleaned in 4 years.. when i bought it.. well it hasnt been cleaned.
[06:41] <dsmith_> xsacha: vacuum it then
[06:41] <kalorin`> vacuum?
[06:41] <dsmith_> I see pc's all the time that are nasty as you know what
[06:41] <kalorin`> compressed air
[06:41] <xsacha> it doesnt look dirty actually, just a bit of dust around it
[06:41] <kalorin`> blow is much better than suck
[06:41] <dsmith_> lol
[06:41] <arun> !info staroffice
[06:41] <ubotu> Package staroffice does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:41] <ardchoille> xsacha: your computer is saying "clean me!"
[06:41] <arun> !staroffice
[06:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about staroffice - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:42] <xsacha> sounds more like "rmm rmm rmm get a ferrarri rmm rmm rmm"
[06:42] <arun> do you need to defragment ext3 drives?
[06:42] <dsmith_> no
[06:42] <ardchoille> lol
[06:42] <ardchoille> arun: no
[06:42] <jbrouhard> anyone here have an ipw3945 Wireless card in their laptop?  I could use some help
[06:42] <dsmith_> I do both vacuum and forced air
[06:42] <xsacha> arun: you need to fsck ext3
[06:42] <dsmith_> oh my woman fsck me all night last night :P
[06:42] <maltaethiron> =P
[06:42] <xsacha> dont make me jealous..
[06:43] <dsmith_> speaking of which she should be on here
[06:43] <xsacha> i want my woman to filesystem check me too
[06:43] <maltaethiron> hey, how do i make flash players work in webpages in firefox??
[06:43] <dsmith_> !flash
[06:43] <arun> it fsck's ext3 automatically now and then though
[06:43] <xsacha> arun: exactly
[06:43] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[06:43] <arun> after it's been 'mounted' for a certain number of times
[06:43] <maltaethiron> ubotu's takin a break apparently? lol
[06:43] <ardchoille> lol
[06:43] <dsmith_> I was wondering
[06:44] <dsmith_> ahhhhh respond
[06:44] <xsacha> arun: thats only if you reset your computer.. some ppl (me) dont do that though
[06:44] <jbrouhard> Anyone?  ipw3945 help needed...
[06:44] <dsmith_> ext is fairly organized anyway
[06:44] <xsacha> so it doenst remount here
[06:44] <dsmith_> ntfs yuck
[06:45] <xsacha> ntfs is great, what are you talking about (when you first write the OS to partition)
[06:45] <Mr_Sonoma> you probably dont want to use too much air pressure dont know how fast you want to spin the fans up when blowing them out
[06:45] <xsacha> it's safe to vaccum my motherboard and fan while it's running?
[06:45] <dsmith_> I have sales force ppl that bring me thier laptops after like a 1-2 years, they never bother to read anything I give them literature wise. They complain thier laptops are slow, and when I run diskeeper I find its never been run and that after analyzing the entire disk, it shows as red and takes 3-4 hours to defrag
[06:46] <Mr_Sonoma> but more times then not when i've heard a computer start the rmmmm rmmm thing its a fan going bad or out of balance because of dust build up.
[06:46] <xsacha> mm probably out of balance.. just dunno how to get dust out without turning comp off
[06:46] <dsmith_> Mr_Sonoma: sping them puppies up real fast, it will help to clean out the dust, hahaa
[06:46] <Mr_Sonoma> lol
[06:46] <Mr_Sonoma> watch out for the flying plastic?
[06:46] <Mr_Sonoma> *grin*
[06:47] <xsacha> can i hotplug the fan in linux?
[06:47] <dsmith_> Mr_Sonoma: I did that only one time, it burned out something on the board, fan motor acting as a generator
[06:47] <Mr_Sonoma> hahahahahahaha hadnt thought of that one
[06:48] <dsmith_> prob a diaode
[06:48] <dsmith_> *diode
[06:48] <dsmith_> hot plug a fan, hmmmmm
[06:48] <inteliwasp> i am trying to manualy set the ip address on 7.04 but i keep getting an invalid gateway
[06:48] <Mr_Sonoma> my point was you probably dont want to go use 200 psi shop air to do it..didnt even think of the motor acting as a gen
[06:48] <dsmith_> Mr_Sonoma: I do that all he time, but use a psi limiter set at 15psi
[06:49] <Mr_Sonoma> see your using 15 psi then, not 200 ;)
[06:49] <xsacha> apparently you can now hotplug hard drives, cpus, RAM and god knows what else in linux.. so i can hotplug the fan right? thats no biggy?
[06:49] <dsmith_> yes..
[06:49] <dsmith_> ooh yes hot plug the CPU
[06:49] <dsmith_> lol
[06:49] <xsacha> you think? just hotplug the cpu? then disconnect the cpus fan?
[06:49] <dsmith_> dont listen to me
[06:49] <dsmith_> :P
[06:49] <Biovore> lol
[06:49] <xsacha> whats the command to do it again?
[06:50] <dsmith_> sudo hotplug cpu
[06:50] <xsacha> some sysctl variable? lemme try
[06:50] <dsmith_> im bad
[06:50] <inteliwasp> ...
[06:50] <dsmith_> xsachyou cannot hotplug a cpu, psu or drive
[06:50] <dsmith_> drives, yes if its raid conf.
[06:51] <inteliwasp> he is gone
[06:51] <Biovore> (hot swap raid)
[06:51] <Biovore> he must have hotswaped his CPU
[06:51] <dsmith_> lmfao
[06:51] <dsmith_> wb man
[06:52] <dsmith_> what did you do?
[06:52] <inteliwasp> in about 5 mins i'm about to have a constest.... my server vs. a 30lb sledge...
[06:52] <xsacha> sledge..hammer?
[06:52] <sledge> \o/
[06:52] <inteliwasp> the server won't take a new gw
[06:52] <dsmith_> I dont care if its intel or amd, its gonna break
[06:52] <jbrouhard> anyone?  i need some ipw3945 help..
[06:52] <jbrouhard> Wireless barely, if at all works here
[06:52] <dsmith_> inteliwasp: whee is your router?
[06:53] <xsacha> i dont care if it's made of titanium, that 30lb sledgehammer will rip it up
[06:53] <dsmith_> you know I had a problem just like that the other day when I ws at the hotel at the beach
[06:54] <dsmith_> the roter could not assign me a new IP
[06:54] <dsmith_> worked fine in windows
[06:54] <dsmith_> lInux, nope
[06:54] <dsmith_> strange
[06:54] <inteliwasp> dsmith_: i am trying to pass an internet connection from 1 computer to another, the second computer won't take the first's computer ip as a gateway
[06:54] <dsmith_> I blacklisted ipv6, and it still did not work
[06:54] <dsmith_> oh your trying to proxy?
[06:54] <inteliwasp> no, firestarter
[06:55] <dsmith_> both linux?
[06:55] <jbrouhard> ewww
[06:55] <jbrouhard> firestarter :)
[06:55] <inteliwasp> yep both linux
[06:55] <dsmith_> oh so your using another machine as your router/gateway?
[06:55] <inteliwasp> that is the simple answer
[06:55] <dsmith_> hmmmmmmmm
[06:56] <inteliwasp> there is a network beyond the first comp tho
[06:56] <dsmith_> I have never used firestarter, should be a simple pass through
[06:56] <inteliwasp> got a better way then?
[06:56] <dsmith_> I only did that (proxy) through windows long ago
[06:57] <dsmith_> I do not have an answer for you
[06:57] <inteliwasp> oh how i hate my life...
[06:59] <dsmith_> keeping asking, you'll surely find the answer in time
[07:01] <inteliwasp> there is a ver simple solution, but my father won't let me...
[07:06] <Biovore> o
[07:06] <Biovore> o
[07:06] <ninina> anyone know how to set up a TV tuner card?
[07:10] <kalorin`> way toof unny
[07:10] <kalorin`> going along doing my thing and hten all the sudden
[07:10] <kalorin`> the right monitor goes out
[07:10] <kalorin`> into power savings
[07:11] <kalorin`> wait a few moments, numlock is still working
[07:11] <kalorin`> wait wait wait
[07:11] <kalorin`> get mad
[07:11] <kalorin`> try to do an alt-f9
[07:11] <kalorin`> no console, left monitor goes out
[07:11] <kalorin`> type sudo reboot
[07:11] <kalorin`> and instantly it's comes back to a ram count
[07:11] <kalorin`> weird
[07:11] <kalorin`> gotta be the ati drivers
[07:14] <holycow> hey guys
[07:14] <holycow> so what is the general strategy around things like beryl and kde?
[07:15] <holycow> just curious if there is any discussion on this, kde4 previews seem to indicate kde4 will be implementing thier own compositing and effects stuff in the kde window manager instead of re-using compiz?
[07:15] <hamadooo> hi guys ..... how can i see the RAR files in ubuntu
[07:15] <hamadooo> is there any program ?
[07:15] <robotgeek> hamadooo: you can install unrar
[07:15] <holycow> hamadooo, install rar and unrar
[07:15] <robotgeek> !unrar
[07:15] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[07:16] <holycow> then just doubleclick on thefile or right click to see options
[07:16] <hamadooo> non free ?
[07:16] <robotgeek> shouldn't 7-zip work as well? i works on Windows
[07:16] <hamadooo> rar and unrar .... which one of them ??
[07:16] <robotgeek> !info 7-zip
[07:16] <ubotu> Package 7-zip does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:16] <hamadooo> need them both ??
[07:16] <holycow> 7-zip is windows only
[07:16] <holycow> no
[07:16] <holycow> its also not open source
[07:16] <robotgeek> hamadooo: rar for compression. unrar for de-compression
[07:17] <hamadooo> ok thank u my friend
[07:17] <robotgeek> holycow: it is open source.
[07:17] <holycow> ah then i am corrected
[07:18] <hamadooo> in the package manager ..... i found unrar ...... and unrar free
[07:18] <hamadooo> what'ssss the diffrenet
[07:18] <holycow> rar is the closed source one from what i understand .. free one is open source
[07:18] <holycow> both should work
[07:18] <robotgeek> hamadooo: unrar is the non-free version, the unrar-free is the free implementation. it does not handle a few rar files correctly, but works for the most part
[07:19] <hamadooo> oh ok
[07:19] <hamadooo> thanx again
[07:19] <ardchoille> How do I monitor my cpu temp?
[07:20] <robotgeek> ardchoille: depending on whether you have cpu sensors, you can install ksensors
[07:20] <kalorin`> !temp
[07:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about temp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:20] <ardchoille> robotgeek: Not sure if I have cpu sensors. How do I check?
[07:20] <kalorin`> install ksensors
[07:21] <kalorin`> if you're running kubuntu, you've most likely got sensors
[07:21] <kalorin`> 98% sure
[07:21] <kalorin`> my machine has sensors for crying out loud
[07:21] <kalorin`> and it's way silly old
[07:21] <ardchoille> ok
[07:21] <robotgeek> ardchoille: yes, go that route :)
[07:22] <ardchoille> thanks robotgeek, kalorin`
[07:23] <kalorin`> I hate htat I've rolled my canon dslr body's image count already
[07:23] <kalorin`> IMG_0001.jpg is now a dupe :(
[07:24] <yotux> can anyone offer some help with postfix?
[07:24] <kalorin`> yotux, what's the question?
[07:24] <ardchoille> I installed and ran ksensors but the window is blank
[07:24] <kalorin`> read
[07:24] <yotux> I use fetch mail and all of my mail is going into mail queue
[07:24] <ardchoille> And I don't see a "Help" link/button
[07:24] <kalorin`> you'll likely need to add the cpu sensor as one you want to see
[07:25] <kalorin`> why are you running postfix theN?
[07:25] <yotux> yes
[07:25] <kalorin`> if you're just fetching the mail down
[07:25] <kalorin`> anyway go ahead
[07:26] <kalorin`> so you're running postfix and you're running fetchmail to pull mail down to your local mail server
[07:26] <yotux> yes
[07:26] <yotux> that was what I was trying to do sorry
[07:26] <kalorin`> ah
[07:26] <kalorin`> you don't need to run a mail server locally to fetch mail to local directories I wouldn't think
[07:26] <yotux> Sorry to new of a geek to figure this one out :(
[07:27] <yotux> I have a ubuntu server that I connect to the net threw
[07:27] <hamadooo> hi again ..... i installed the rar program and when i downloaded a rar file .... and left click in the mousee on it the i use (open with archive manager) it tells me can't open this file
[07:27] <kalorin`> just fetchmail and then something like dovecot to get the mail with a mail client
[07:28] <kalorin`> postfix is a mail server, not a pop3 or imap server
[07:28] <kalorin`> it receives email and sends email
[07:28] <kalorin`> it doesn't allow clients to attach and look in mailboxes to read mail and so on
[07:29] <yotux> kalorin:  I was thinking about porting all of my mail  onto the server so that I could access it threw squirell mail when I am traveling
[07:29] <kalorin`> ok
[07:29] <kalorin`> then you'd need postfix to send mail you type in the webpages
[07:30] <yotux> I was going to setup kubuntu to look at the mbox file on the serve when at home
[07:30] <kalorin`> but it isn't used to read mail
[07:30] <ardchoille> Hmm.. ksensors is nice
[07:30] <kalorin`> ok so look into dovecot
[07:30] <kalorin`> that'll do IMAP or POP3 mail reading
[07:30] <yotux> so I should uninstall postfix?
[07:30] <kalorin`> I suggest using IMAP so that if you read it on the web or on the workstation you'll have the same mailbox
[07:31] <kalorin`> no, you're going to want it hwen you do squirrel mail
[07:31] <kalorin`> I personally just run sshd and port forward 25 and 143 to do imap and mail sends on the road
[07:31] <kalorin`> but if you like webpage applications that's fine too I guess
[07:31] <kalorin`> sshd is more secure it my feeling
[07:31] <hamadooo> hi again ..... i installed the rar program and when i downloaded a rar file .... and left click in the mousee on it the i use (open with archive manager) it tells me can't open this file
[07:31] <kalorin`> shell in, port forward imap and smtp, use local mail client and imap to look at mailboxes
[07:31] <holycow> yotux, do you mind me asking how come you want to run your own mail server?
[07:31] <kalorin`> when finished log out
[07:32] <holycow> its a fairly sophisticated thing to do correctly
[07:32] <kalorin`> holycow: another good question
[07:32] <holycow> there is a lot of tweakage and fairly indepth knowledge required for reliability
[07:32] <kalorin`> not to mention the spam
[07:32] <holycow> yup
[07:32] <kalorin`> and hte pain in the ass factor
[07:32] <yotux> holycow:  I am in the process of creating a media server to store music videos and etc
[07:32] <holycow> it might be a lot easier to leave your mail at your webhost or whatever and user their webclient?
[07:32] <kalorin`> like I can't send meail directly to my work account because I'm on a residential ip addres so they block it
[07:32] <kalorin`> so I have to forwad through the isp's mailserver
[07:32] <holycow> yotux, oh and you want email stored on that too?
[07:33] <arun> i'm really getting irritated because i cant sort by groups in konqueror
[07:33] <yotux> I thought to add email it would be nice to have it all centerally located
[07:33] <kalorin`> which isn't the most solid mail server, so I get a lot of false bounces
[07:33] <holycow> you know what? i would say don't build one from scratch unless you have a lot of time
[07:33] <holycow> i would say download either zimbra or scalix
[07:33] <holycow> and just run their free vmware images
[07:33] <kalorin`> holycow: I think he's doing the right thing to just fetchmail down and read it on his server
[07:33] <holycow> out of the box mailserver
[07:33] <kalorin`> store it all there
[07:33] <kalorin`> run dovecot or something to imap it
[07:33] <kalorin`> nothing wrong there
[07:34] <yotux> I also do secert shopping
[07:34] <holycow> nothing at all, yeah that should work
[07:34] <yotux> so there a allot of emails that I need to forward to my partner
[07:34] <kalorin`> putting up a real honest to god email server to allow mail to be sent to your machine on the other hand isn't something I'd do
[07:34] <kalorin`> just set it up for forwarding and only send mail from your own netowrk
[07:34] <kalorin`> dont' even unfirewall port 25
[07:34] <kalorin`> use it for outgoing only
[07:34] <kalorin`> that'd work fine
[07:35] <kalorin`> yotux, look into .procmail
[07:35] <kalorin`> for forwarding emails to people
[07:35] <kalorin`> among other things
[07:35] <yotux> I found a good howto on procmail and fetch mail a long time ago
[07:36] <yotux> I was thinking that if I could put mail into a box and then when some one in the office dealt with it it could then be deleted.
[07:37] <yotux> A type of community pool inbox
[07:37] <kalorin`> that's called IMAP
[07:37] <kalorin`> and a shared mailbox
[07:37] <yotux> kalorin: thanks I only knew what POP was sorry :(
[07:37] <holycow> imap is pretty much what you are looking for, kalorin is right
[07:37] <kalorin`> I read my email from like 5 different computers and then sometimes on the road from others
[07:37] <yotux> will look into dovecot
[07:37] <kalorin`> need sto have all the email looking the same from everywhere
[07:38] <holycow> look into cyrus too another imap server
[07:38] <yotux> kalorin: that is my goal
[07:38] <yotux> I think cyrus was taken out of main?
[07:38] <john> por casualidad algunos saber como instalar skins para xmms
[07:39] <kalorin`> !es
[07:39] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:39] <arun> anyone here used parallels for linux?
[07:40] <robotgeek> arun: they make one for linux?
[07:40] <kalorin`> arun, was thinking about it to do photoshop work and then I started using gimp and found I like it a little better to be honest
[07:40] <holycow> no they don't
[07:40] <arun> robotgeek: yup
[07:40] <holycow> heh
[07:40] <kalorin`> vmware server is free
[07:40] <holycow> arun, what?
[07:40] <arun> they do
[07:40] <xsacha> how can i find the total size of a group of files?
[07:40] <arun> i was shocked too
[07:40] <kalorin`> xsacha: du .
[07:40] <holycow> just use vmware
[07:40] <arun> http://www.parallels.com/products/workstation/
[07:41] <xsacha> kalorin`: du *.{exe,cpp} gives me individual sizes?
[07:41] <defiantrican> Hello everyone I cannot get unrar installed
[07:41] <xsacha> oh, some option.. ill check
[07:41] <kalorin`> cd ..
[07:41] <xsacha> du -c, thanks
[07:41] <kalorin`> du -sk <directory>
[07:41] <holycow> wow deb package
[07:41] <holycow> i'll be
[07:41] <kalorin`> for parallels
[07:41] <kalorin`> ?
[07:41] <holycow> arun, well thanks for the heads up on that
[07:41] <arun> i'm using vmware, but i heard parallels supports d3d
[07:41] <holycow> http://www.parallels.com/en/download/workstation/
[07:42] <kalorin`> damn
[07:42] <holycow> installing demo now
[07:42] <kalorin`> dual core opteron and SATA drives and I'm burying it with IO
[07:42] <Daisuke_Ido> as long as your processor supports virtualization, afaik
[07:42] <arun> holycow: tell me how it goes
[07:42] <kalorin`> doing a simple copy from a directory to another directory on the same disk
[07:42] <kalorin`> crazy
[07:42] <holycow> i don't have windows to install however
[07:42] <holycow> just curious about dependencies and ui :)
[07:43] <kalorin`> now
[07:43] <kalorin`> how can they claim tha tparallels is the lowest TCO when vmware server is free?
[07:44] <kalorin`> but I've seen parallels on a mac and it's really sweet
[07:44] <holycow> ah can't run parallels-config as sudo
[07:44] <holycow> pffft
[07:44] <holycow> idiots require you to run it as root
[07:44] <holycow> *uninstall*
[07:44] <holycow> :)
[07:44] <kalorin`> I've heard however that the next version of remote desktop protocol that comes iwth vista will allow you to just pop windows on the desktop rather than the whole desktop
[07:45] <holycow> i heard that too
[07:45] <holycow> not something of interest to me, i'm all linux
[07:46] <kalorin`> I wasn't until I started messing with GIMP
[07:46] <holycow> i haven't used windows outside of testing in at least 3 years now
[07:46] <kalorin`> really thought I needed photoshop for something
[07:46] <holycow> gimp is amazing
[07:46] <holycow> i love it
[07:46] <brad> I'm having quite a time trying to install the freeciv beta...I'm not really good at...installing things
[07:46] <holycow> *nod*
[07:46] <arun> i use photoshop with vmware
[07:46] <xsacha> i use photoshop with wine
[07:46] <kalorin`> arun, try gimp
[07:46] <brad> and the install instructions file isnt doing great things for me
[07:46] <kalorin`> and google for gimpshop if you're hard core about photoshop
[07:46] <arun> i have tried gimp and gimpshop
[07:46] <kalorin`> ah
[07:46] <arun> i like it too, but i need to collaborate with other designers
[07:47] <kalorin`> ah
[07:47] <arun> for which i need to use photoshop
[07:47] <holycow> i used to be a graphic designer, photoshop is not that great
[07:47] <xsacha> whats wrong with photoshop 9 thru wine?
[07:47] <holycow> gimp only really doesn't do cmyk yet
[07:47] <kalorin`> the only thing taht I wish I could find was a good way to do workflow in linux
[07:47] <Daisuke_Ido> the gimp is still evil :\
[07:47] <kalorin`> well, in windows too
[07:47] <brad> is there a repository with the freeciv beta in it?
[07:47] <holycow> xsacha, well its non free software, plus adobe is pretty evil
[07:47] <brad> that I could just add via adept?
[07:47] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido, naw, i've done testing on this
[07:47] <xsacha> holycow: flash is the same, but still use it
[07:47] <kalorin`> brad, no idea, look in adept
[07:48] <holycow> photoshop users don't learn photoshop
[07:48] <holycow> what they actually do is MEMORIZE the visual properties of the ps ui
[07:48] <arun> can anyone think of a good icon for a wiki? is a notebook good?
[07:48] <holycow> what that means is they put in  A LOOOOOOOOOOOT of work into memorizing photoshop
[07:48] <ardchoille> holycow you have a cool nick!
[07:48] <ardchoille> :)
[07:48] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: and that's different than how people use any other app...  how?
[07:48] <kalorin`> arun, how about a fountain (of knowledge)
[07:48] <arun> i'm calling the wiki a guide
[07:48] <holycow> gimp is actually easier to user and more logical overall, BUT, they now HAVETO MEMORIZE a whole new ui
[07:48] <holycow> thats a lot of work
[07:49] <kalorin`> holycow: I find the gimp's raw loader a lot nicer than photoshops
[07:49] <holycow> when people say gimp is evil what they really mean is they don't want to spend another 6 months memorizing gimp
[07:49] <Daisuke_Ido> no, they have to memorize a completely unintuitive UI
[07:49] <kalorin`> holycow: 6 months, that's funny
[07:49] <arun> holycow: thing is, adobe has become the industry standard, so if yuo have to work with other designers, most of whom use adobe, you need to use adobe products
[07:49] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido, its application dependent.  that same problem exists for openoffice but not for a lot of other software
[07:49] <Daisuke_Ido> i say it's evil because i tried for three months without photoshop experience to use the gimp and wanted to slit my wrists.
[07:49] <kalorin`> arun: I think that you can settle on saving in .dng format
[07:49] <kalorin`> and eveyrone could be happy
[07:49] <holycow> other software is simpler and people are able to break it down into mental steps and they memorize those and transpose the process
[07:49] <kalorin`> only thing that sucks about dng and raw is that you can't browse them in konqueror
[07:49] <kalorin`> and see thumbnails
[07:49] <arun> weird thing is, in india, if you tell someone you design for print using illustrator, most printers dont print AI files.. they *have* to have corel
[07:50] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido, to learn photoshop or gimp properly you need at least 6 months of PRODUCTION work
[07:50] <holycow> you CANNOT learn gimp or ps without production work
[07:50] <Daisuke_Ido> exactly.  "other software is simpler".  the gimp's UI is very VERY poor
[07:50] <holycow> they are highly sophisticated tools] 
[07:50] <holycow> no
[07:50] <holycow> wrong
[07:50] <Daisuke_Ido> yes, right.
[07:50] <holycow> gimp is designed for highly sophisticated work
[07:50] <xsacha> isnt there work to improve gimp interface?
[07:50] <kalorin`> heh
[07:50] <Daisuke_Ido> image editing
[07:50] <holycow> YOU however, are thinking that it should work like irfanview
[07:50] <holycow> simple 3 button interface
[07:50] <kalorin`> if you know what a layer and a path is
[07:50] <ardchoille> xsacha: gimpshop?
[07:50] <Daisuke_Ido> wtf is irfanview?
[07:51] <xsacha> ardchoille: no, gimp main
[07:51] <holycow> basicaly the problem is YOU, having the wrong expectiations
[07:51] <kalorin`> crop and the like are just that
[07:51] <holycow> and not trully understanding the tool or the job
[07:51] <kalorin`> learn what they do, not the button and how to draw a line
[07:51] <holycow> gimp and ps are professional tools, they aren't designed for hobbyists
[07:51] <holycow> if you want a hobbytool look at picassa or something like that
[07:51] <ardchoille> xsacha: I thought that was how gimpshop was born.. out of an effort to make the ui easier to understand and use.
[07:52] <Daisuke_Ido> screw you, you're the reason linux is failing.  it's always the end user's fault something doesn't work the way it should, GOD FORBID it should fall on the ui designers to create something you don't have to have a doctorate in engineering to USE.
[07:52] <arun> i downloaded kdelibs.. someone told me i could find source files for icons in there.. which folder would they be in?
[07:52] <kalorin`> ardchoille: no it was out of an effort to make the interface exactly like photoshops
[07:52] <holycow> roughly speaking, picassa to gimp is like catia engeering toolset to a pencil
[07:52] <kalorin`> so that folks that know photoshop don't feel all lost
[07:52] <ardchoille> kalorin`: Ah, ok
[07:52] <holycow> they are in very different categbories
[07:52] <ardchoille> !coc | Daisuke_Ido
[07:52] <ubotu> Daisuke_Ido: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[07:52] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido, actually no
[07:52] <holycow> i'm an ex professional graphic designer, i know my field
[07:53] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: that's nice, but just because it's right for you doesn't mean it's right for everyone.
[07:53] <holycow> you are insisting that a high level sophisticated tool be dumbed down to picassa levels
[07:53] <holycow> this cannot be done
[07:53] <brad> what would be the kde version of typing in /configure on gnome? because the command I am told to use is % ./configure and it doesnt work
[07:53] <Daisuke_Ido> i never said that.
[07:53] <Daisuke_Ido> i never said anything like that.
[07:53] <holycow> you didn't haveto
[07:53] <holycow> its what you are actually doing
[07:53] <kalorin`> heh
[07:53] <ardchoille> sepeck: lol
[07:53] <holycow> i know you didn't sayi it .. .there is a reason for that
[07:53] <Daisuke_Ido> oh, i said something, but didn't actually say it, you're just telling me what i meant when i was the one talking.  nice.
[07:53] <holycow> yo uaren't a profesional graphic designer and don't trully understand the trade
[07:53] <Daisuke_Ido> so?
[07:53] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm an end user
[07:53] <xsacha> brad: hehe, i think % is just the command prompt
[07:53] <holycow> no no i'm just pointing out you have an area where you lack expertice in
[07:53] <Daisuke_Ido> if you like it, use it.
[07:54] <holycow> no your not an end user
[07:54] <xsacha> brad: it's still ./configure
[07:54] <brad> well,it doesnt work without that either
[07:54] <holycow> the difference between you and me in graphic design'
[07:54] <brad> nvm
[07:54] <holycow> is like the difference between a steetsweeper and a mechanic
[07:54] <Daisuke_Ido> is you're pompous and arrogant?
[07:54] <holycow> no i'm trained
[07:54] <ardchoille> brad: What are you compiling?
[07:54] <holycow> your not
[07:54] <brad> lol I had tried it multiple ways
[07:54] <holycow> your trained in a specialty that i don't know anything about
[07:54] <kalorin`> holycow: I'd love to pick your brain about workflow
[07:54] <holycow> for example what do you do for work? i bet i have no idea bout what you do
[07:54] <brad> I'm trying to install the freeciv beta
[07:55] <brad> on 64 bit (if it matters)
[07:55] <ardchoille> brad: Oh, ok.
[07:55] <kalorin`> brad, did you check adept?
[07:55] <kalorin`> do a search for civ
[07:55] <brad> they only have the older version, the beta is updated
[07:55] <kalorin`> and see what packages it shows
[07:55] <ardchoille> !info freeciv
[07:55] <kalorin`> ah
[07:55] <ubotu> Package freeciv does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:55] <brad> I want to know if there is a repository I can add but dont see one
[07:56] <xsacha> !info octave
[07:56] <ubotu> octave: GNU Octave language for numerical computations (2.1 branch). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.1.73-13 (feisty), package size 52 kB, installed size 80 kB
[07:56] <xsacha> grr why isnt octave in my list for feisty
[07:56] <ardchoille> xsacha: Did you enable universe?
[07:56] <kalorin`> brad, wiki for freeciv?
[07:56] <arun> has anyone heard of pixelmator?
[07:57] <kalorin`> nope
[07:57] <brad> yeah I'm there
[07:57] <ardchoille> xsacha: And after that, did you update your sources?
[07:57] <brad> the thing is I am pretty adept with windows and have made a total conversion to linux and there are some basic things its just very difficult for me to do
[07:57] <xsacha> yeah evertything is enabled in sources
[07:57] <arun> www.pixelmator.com -- i wish they were making this for linux
[07:57] <holycow> brad, yeah that happens
[07:57] <holycow> what can we do help?
[07:57] <xsacha> but i think my au server must have gone done or something,i see some Ign now and im not getting updates
[07:58] <brad> well I ordered the book Ubuntu for Non-Geeks so hopefully I can come to understand more basic things
[07:58] <ardchoille> xsacha: did you update your sources (sudo apt-get update)?
[07:58] <brad> but essentially I am trying to get freeciv beta to install and when I try to configure it doesnt work
[07:58] <brad> so I am checking the log now...
[07:58] <holycow> arun, gimp can do all of that
[07:59] <xsacha> ardchoille: yeah
[07:59] <holycow> there is nothing there that i see that is of any particularly special use
[07:59] <arun> holycow: gimp's UI is not nearly as nice
[07:59] <holycow> infact
[07:59] <holycow> its pretty much a clone
[07:59] <holycow> arun, its exactly the same
[07:59] <xsacha> ardchoille: do that every day, except all of the sudden i no longer get updates
[07:59] <arun> holycow: look again
[07:59] <holycow> its the same
[07:59] <holycow> each utility has a palette
[07:59] <holycow> you can drag and drop those into master toolbar probably
[07:59] <holycow> no biggie
[07:59] <holycow> all those features are there
[08:00] <brad> the error says compiler cannot create executables
[08:00] <holycow> except maybe for a small portion of features, nothing is ever 100%
[08:00] <brad> the config.log I dont see anything that looks significant in
[08:00] <xsacha> i think my au.archive.ubuntu.org or whatever is down now..
[08:00] <kalorin`> pixelmater looks a lot like gimp to be honest
[08:00] <kalorin`> only black and transparent parts
[08:00] <ardchoille> brad: Did you sudo apt-get install build-essential?
[08:00] <holycow> kalorin,  i can make gimp look exactly like that with the proper theme
[08:01] <kalorin`> I'm more concerned iwth proper workflow than pretty window ding-a-lings
[08:01] <holycow> ah workflow thats an interesting topic
[08:01] <kalorin`> you're the pro, care to send me some email advice?
[08:01] <holycow> i used to do 3d too
[08:01] <kalorin`> outside of the channel/
[08:01] <holycow> lol ex graphic designer i am a bit rusty.  not sure if there is any way to generalize the topic
[08:01] <brad> with what else in the command line?
[08:01] <kalorin`> that's not really linxu realated
[08:01] <brad> cd to the freeciv directory?
[08:02] <holycow> kalorin, part of why i'm here is because i see cool things happening in kde and linux world in general
[08:02] <kalorin`> I switched last spring
[08:02] <kalorin`> got tired of windows being unstable and slow
[08:02] <kalorin`> didn't want to do vista
[08:02] <holycow> i think workflow will be greatly affected by the desktop environments in the future, i have a few ideas i want to try
[08:02] <kalorin`> read slower and more unstable, and you have to give it permission to swap memory!
[08:02] <stoned> hi
[08:02] <holycow> kalorin, yeah i run all apps at the same time, with as much ram as i can get in a system
[08:03] <ardchoille> brad: Did you install build-essential?
[08:03] <holycow> i can do anything i want at the same time, it makes no difference
[08:03] <kalorin`> yeah
[08:03] <kalorin`> I just want to get something down that makes sense and is efficient
[08:03] <brad> possibly
[08:03] <brad> lemme see
[08:03] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, i'm going to go ahead and go back to idling now :\
[08:03] <holycow> working on linux was really quite eye opening
[08:03] <kalorin`> so when I shoot a wedding or take 100 pictures someplace, it's reasonable efficient to get them all out there and thenwork with the best of them
[08:04] <holycow> kalorin, the thing about workflows as well is that everyone has their own interpretation of what that means
[08:04] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido, my appologies btw
[08:04] <brad> apparently not, I am
[08:04] <holycow> i wasn't trying to insult you at all, i think that was a miscommunication
[08:04] <ardchoille> brad: That package has the compiler and other tools you need to compile.
[08:04] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido, if you sat down with me for a few hours i could teach you gimp, a few weeks i could get you pretty profficient
[08:04] <kalorin`> I love having desktop1 for email/irc/chat/browsing, desktop2 for java coding, desktop 3 for image work
[08:05] <kalorin`> and so on
[08:05] <arun> I for one don't particularly like OS X, but you have to agree the UI, even if not perfect, looks slick and clean, and polished. Linux still has rough edges in a lot of departments, in terms of polish. I love linux, don't get me wrong, i wouldn't use anything else, but still, I'd like to see some improvements in that respect.
[08:05] <holycow> the only thing we wouldn't be able to do is send print jobs out in cmyk ... thats the biggest reason design companies don't use gimp
[08:05] <holycow> arun, i don't agree at all
[08:05] <robotgeek> holycow: i believe that is changing, right?
[08:05] <brad> thanks, it did something different but says I am unable to creat *.gmo files?
[08:05] <holycow> when i use osx i feel like someone clubbed me with a 2x4
[08:05] <kalorin`> arun, I think most of that is just themes and setup
[08:05] <holycow> you can't customize anything
[08:05] <holycow> and none of the ui makes sense
[08:05] <kalorin`> KDE is pretty darn nice looking as far as I'm concerned
[08:06] <robotgeek> ++ kalorin`
[08:06] <holycow> kde and gnome can be made to look really nice with the right theme, and their ui actually is self discoverable
[08:06] <holycow> i sat down at osx and couldnt figure out how to install a program for example
[08:06] <kalorin`> and especially with widescreens, I love putting the dock on the left side
[08:06] <arun> kalorin`: yeah, i agree that you can customise things, and that's something that i love. the openness of linux, but i haven't really come across any themes or window decorations, or stuff like that, that's slick. I'm talking about the small things like colours, rounded edges being smooth, uniformness between gtk and kde apps, etc
[08:06] <holycow> just dragging it to the desktop and double clicking on it doesn't work
[08:07] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: there's something i can agree with.  and if apple's going to release safari to other platforms, it should conform to that platform's design standards, not just OS X's (ie. let me resize from any side!)
[08:07] <holycow> kde4 is going to be amazing
[08:07] <kalorin`> well next version of kde will cathc that up
[08:07] <kalorin`> that's my understanding
[08:07] <arun> kalorin`: i hope so
[08:07] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido, *nod* totally i agree with that.  but as we know they don't work that way
[08:07] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido, i think they released it on windows ONLY because they want to get people faimiliar with building websites for the iphone
[08:08] <holycow> arun, yes i will agree that on a per pixel basis osx is actually very seamlessly designed
[08:08] <holycow> our icons tend to for example move around on the dock randomly, things aren't aligned properly or cleanly, etc
[08:08] <Daisuke_Ido> holycow: looks that way.  i can't wait to see the deforking of webkit and khtml
[08:09] <holycow> that is going to be interesting, i just read about that
[08:09] <Daisuke_Ido> that's one thing i don't dislike about safari
[08:09] <kalorin`> I love putting the shade command on the wheel up and down
[08:09] <kalorin`> and hten using the wheel to scroll the desktops when not on a window
[08:10] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido, i have an ambivalent feeling toward apple
[08:10] <kalorin`> and the keramik theme is really good for a default theme
[08:10] <kalorin`> I live apple but mostly i think their hardware is hot
[08:10] <kalorin`> OSX i'm not sure about
[08:10] <kalorin`> but mac mini's are just hot
[08:10] <holycow> yeah their design are cool
[08:10] <ubuntu__> hehe,I'm running my Kubuntu on my live CD
[08:10] <kalorin`> perfect settop box, mac mini
[08:11] <holycow> anyone running beryl with kubuntu just out of curiosity?
[08:11] <kalorin`> ok folks, time for sleeping for me
[08:11] <holycow> i heard they don't mix well?
[08:11] <Daisuke_Ido> their designs are certainly "hot"
[08:11] <holycow> kalorin, later
[08:11] <kalorin`> holycow: not yet, I have and ATI card
[08:11] <Daisuke_Ido> g4 cube anyone?
[08:11] <kalorin`> and i'm running hteir ATI drivers
[08:11] <Daisuke_Ido> i am with nvidia
[08:11] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido, i totally love that
[08:11] <Daisuke_Ido> and it works well
[08:11] <holycow> loved even
[08:11] <Daisuke_Ido> it looked great
[08:11] <holycow> i was dissapointed the market didn't agree with me
[08:11] <ubuntu__> mine is nVidia to!
[08:11] <holycow> heh
[08:11] <Mr_Sonoma> holycow, yes i am running beryl
[08:12] <ubuntu__> but mrre old!
[08:12] <arun> holycow: beryl doesn't work so well for me
[08:12] <mimik> hey all, i downloaded and manually installed vmware --- now, how do i remove it?
[08:12] <ubuntu__> TNT2
[08:12] <arun> any one use inkscape here?
[08:12] <Daisuke_Ido> arun: nope, but i hear good things
[08:12] <holycow> Mr_Sonoma, really? and how well does it work with kde? i won't haveto reinstall aferwards?
[08:12] <ubuntu__> Byrbyr!
[08:12] <holycow> arun, aha interesting, what problems are you running into?
[08:12] <Mr_Sonoma> nawww it works pritty well
[08:13] <Mr_Sonoma> i've got a limited system, amd athlon 1100 with 327 meg of ram
[08:13] <Mr_Sonoma> and have no complaints
[08:13] <holycow> thats not too bad
[08:13] <Daisuke_Ido> this is an x2 3800+, 1gb and it runs absolutely beautifully
[08:14] <brad> I installed the new gettext but now it says it cant find the zlib library?
[08:14] <Daisuke_Ido> of course, i've also got it on my fiancee's laptop (shared memory intel and a celeron processor) and it works just as well
[08:15] <kalorin`> heh, I recently put an opteron 165 dual core and another gig of ram in mine
[08:15] <arun> holycow: videos don't work in full screen for me in beryl, plus everything becomes black if i disable the option to display icons on the desktop
[08:15] <kalorin`> they're hard to overclock on this board :(
[08:15] <arun> i have to have icons on the desktop for it to work
[08:15] <holycow> arun, what vid card out of curiosity?
[08:15] <Daisuke_Ido> have you tried switching the rendering path?
[08:16] <arun> holycow: nvidia geforce 6150
[08:16] <holycow> ah
[08:16] <holycow> i just bout a 6200 gle
[08:16] <arun> from what i've read online, that icon problem is something to do with kde.. it works well on gnome
[08:17] <holycow> i'll give beryl a try later and see what happens i guess
[08:17] <arun> inkscape's tracing is just spectacular
[08:17] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm still trying to decide on a laptop :\
[08:17] <holycow> Daisuke_Ido, let me show you what i just ordered :)
[08:18] <Daisuke_Ido> i want to support dell's ubuntu line, but i also want a 17" screen.
[08:18] <Daisuke_Ido> and that's not possible
[08:18] <Daisuke_Ido> can get a 15.4 though
[08:18] <holycow> http://geekstuff4u.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=521
[08:18] <Daisuke_Ido> which i suppose is plenty for a laptop
[08:18] <holycow> hehe fun :)
[08:18] <holycow> hasn't arrived yet
[08:18] <stoned> i need to block a certin app from getting to the internet
[08:18] <stoned> how can i do this in kubuntu?
[08:18] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido is that 15.4 short screen or regular sized ?
[08:19] <Daisuke_Ido> wxga+
[08:19] <Daisuke_Ido> 1440x900
[08:19] <Daisuke_Ido> widescreen, 16x10, pick your euphemism
[08:19] <Daisuke_Ido> 16:10 even
[08:20] <intelikey> you say widescreen, i say short screen, amounts to the same thing the top and bottom of the screen are missing....
[08:20] <Daisuke_Ido> no, the left and right have extra space :)
[08:20] <Daisuke_Ido> but yeah, same difference
[08:21] <arun> i'd rather get a 15.4 inch laptop with a big external monitor
[08:21] <arun> so you can use two
[08:21] <holycow> i travel a lot, i got tired of taking the laptop with me
[08:21] <holycow> for the time being im getting  umpcs and keyboard and moni at the desk
[08:22] <holycow> after that intel chipsets and cpus will start to show up in cel phones
[08:22] <holycow> when that happens i drop umpc and move to a cel for my main system
[08:22] <mimik> say you do a locate vmware, how do you delete everything you see in that locate?
[08:23] <Mr_Sonoma> ah i wish they would outlaw those cell phones...too many people already cant drive, they dont need a phone with text messaging and full internet access to diminish that ability even further
[08:23] <Daisuke_Ido> arun: since i will actually be using this as a laptop, for school, carrying an extra monitor around with me isn't very efficient
[08:23] <holycow> heh
[08:23] <intelikey> mimik you use find
[08:24] <holycow> rm -rf directory/path
[08:24] <intelikey> mimik  find /base/dir/ -iname *vmware* -exec rm -ir '{}' \;
[08:24] <arun> ah ok
[08:24] <mimik> thanks
[08:25] <Daisuke_Ido> hrmm
[08:26] <Daisuke_Ido> why does the higher powered one have a smaller screen? :(
[08:26] <Daisuke_Ido> 14.1" 1440x900
[08:26] <holycow> intelikey, showoff
[08:26] <holycow> :)
[08:26] <intelikey> careful with the  -r  ^     empty dirs don't hurt anythine,   so  rm -i '{}' \;    might be a better choice   and you can drop the  -i if you are sure before you pull the trigger.
[08:26] <Daisuke_Ido> it would be a portable little thing
[08:26] <kalorin`> sure smaller screen but then you get into the 20" 16:9 at 1680x1040 or 22" at 1680x1040, which is really better?
[08:27] <kalorin`> or the 24 and 26" at 1900x1200
[08:27] <kalorin`> which makes me drool
[08:27] <kalorin`> (yes I was leaving)
[08:27] <mimik> intelikey: thanks
[08:27] <intelikey> holycow cli is what i do.   ;/
[08:27] <holycow> :)
[08:27] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm used to a 19" desktop display
[08:27] <Daisuke_Ido> i'll have to see what my fiancee's is
[08:27] <stoned> i need to block a certin app from getting to the internet.  how can i do this?
[08:28] <Daisuke_Ido> don't run it?
[08:28] <holycow> stoned good question, i never considered that
[08:28] <stoned> how would I specify this rule
[08:28] <stoned> I mean I can block ports etc. but this is a freakin app using random ports
[08:28] <Daisuke_Ido> you can block ports and such...  but i have no idea how you'd disallow connections from a single app :\
[08:28] <Daisuke_Ido> whoa
[08:29] <intelikey> iptables can probably do that stoned, i'm just not sure what to tell it.
[08:29] <stoned> maybe somehow block all raw socket requests from this process or something
[08:29] <Mr_Sonoma> how about running it as a diff user and that user not have network/internet permission
[08:30] <intelikey> stoned Mr_Sonoma has a reasonable work around
[08:30] <holycow> that is actually pretty decent
[08:30] <intelikey> block a user and only run that app as that user
[08:30] <holycow> you know when  you think about it
[08:30] <holycow> that is THE RIGHT way to do that
[08:30] <holycow> because frankly, what constitutes an app?
[08:31] <holycow> how do you say 'this' app ... what is that ... an app can be any number of binaries interacting
[08:31] <intelikey> this is linux.  there is no "right way"  there is your way my way and maybe a better way but they are all right....
[08:31] <holycow> they could replicate depending on permissions
[08:31] <holycow> rename ... etc
[08:31] <holycow> true true
[08:31] <Daisuke_Ido> hrmm
[08:31] <holycow> but putting that app in a box, and blocking the box
[08:32] <Daisuke_Ido> basically sandboxing in a nutshell
[08:32] <holycow> that sounds like a very good technique to handle that issue
[08:32] <holycow> right
[08:32] <dr_willis> I do recall some iptables options that i thought worked on a per user basis.. but not sure if that was a standard feature of iptables or some experimental stuff.
[08:32] <Daisuke_Ido> running it in a protected environment
[08:32] <intelikey> holycow works as long as something else doesn't spawn the app
[08:33] <holycow> *nod*
[08:34] <Daisuke_Ido> i thought i read that intel's linux wireless driver supports the 3945 and the 4965 now
[08:34] <Daisuke_Ido> confirm or deny?
[08:34] <holycow> i haven't looked that up yet
[08:34] <holycow> that would be interesting
[08:34] <Daisuke_Ido> google to the rescue!
[08:34] <intelikey> dr_willis i believe the same strings that can block users can block apps as well but i'm kinda network illiterate, so what i think i know is worth ....   well that and $1.25 will buy a soda from a vending machine
[08:35] <Daisuke_Ido> whoa
[08:35] <Daisuke_Ido> http://intellinuxwireless.org/
[08:35] <Daisuke_Ido> it is true
[08:36] <dr_willis> I just wish to say that iptables might have a Lot of options that people rarely use. that may fit the needed  design goal. :)
[08:36] <intelikey> indeed
[08:37] <Daisuke_Ido> what i really wish existed was a central place i could go and find out what options are available for iptables...  something like a manual, but formatted so i could read it on my screen! :D
[08:37] <Daisuke_Ido> sorry, really bad joke
[08:38] <intelikey> so /join #iptables already
[08:38] <atrocity> would anyboyd happen to know why when i play videos in totem, it's inverted?
[08:38] <dr_willis> Upside down?
[08:38] <dr_willis> or left/rght?
[08:38] <dr_willis> :)
[08:38] <atrocity> colors
[08:39] <atrocity> inverted colors
[08:39] <dr_willis> none of the above :) heh
[08:39] <atrocity> it wasn't doing this like 3 days ago
[08:39] <Daisuke_Ido> upside down would be interesting, depending on what one was watching
[08:39] <atrocity> i'm guessing it's a codec
[08:39] <dr_willis> i would guess so also.. try some different videos, with different codecs
[08:39] <dr_willis> that stage6.com site has a lot of vidoes in divx codec.
[08:40] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido sure it isn't chuck berry ???
[08:41] <atrocity> dr: lol, lots of theM?
[08:41] <atrocity> they're ALL divx :P
[08:41] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: absolutely
[08:41] <atrocity> it's doing it w/ wmv files
[08:41] <intelikey> :)
[08:41] <Daisuke_Ido> atrocity: wmv is a format i haven't had much luck with
[08:43] <stdin> wmv isn't actually one format, that's why it's difficult to get it to "work". some will, some won't
[08:43] <atrocity> yeah
[08:43] <atrocity> i just uninstalled all the ugly and bad gstreamer thingies
[08:43] <atrocity> i'll see what happens :P
[08:43] <dsmith_> what is a good linux font
[08:43] <Daisuke_Ido> stdin: wmv on the whole is a problem :)
[08:43] <dsmith_> arial is just, ummm
[08:43] <intelikey> lazz0 comming or going ?
[08:43] <dsmith_> ugly
[08:44] <Daisuke_Ido> dsmith_: sans serif, bitstream sans?
[08:44] <dsmith_> hmmm
[08:44] <dsmith_> ok
[08:44] <intelikey> lat1-16
[08:44] <lazz0> intelikey, still cant decide lol
[08:45] <atrocity> seems like it's the ffmpeg gstreamer plugin that's doing it
[08:45] <atrocity> any reason why that would be?
[08:45] <intelikey> gstreamer??
[08:46] <Daisuke_Ido> atrocity: get vlc, see if it happens there
[08:46] <atrocity> hmm, good idea
[08:47] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm, i can pay a little more for an hp laptop with the same overall hardware (wireless and graphic chipsets)
[08:48] <atrocity> nope
[08:48] <atrocity> it's fine in VLC
[08:48] <atrocity> guess i'll just use this
[08:48] <atrocity> thanks!
[08:49] <Daisuke_Ido> atrocity: you don't necessarily have to use vlc from now on, but that tells you it is, in fact, a codec issue
[08:49] <intelikey> it's been many years but at one time dell was marketing some pretty solid hardware.    i wish they would revert.
[08:49] <atrocity> yeah
[08:49] <atrocity> i'm pretty sure it's ffmpeg doing it
[08:50] <Mr_Sonoma> alright XP's install is finishing up on my wife's computer any issues i should be aware of that i might run into when trying to network the 2 systems? mine is *ubuntu and hers will be a dual boot of xp and probably debian etch
[08:50] <intelikey> Mr_Sonoma yeah.  her's has windows on it....  that's an issue.
[08:50] <intelikey> :)
[08:50] <Mr_Sonoma> LOL
[08:51] <Mr_Sonoma> i tried to get her to stick soly with linux and she said naww she wanted windows too
[08:51] <stdin> Mr_Sonoma: just make sure the windows firewall is setup to enable things like file sharing (as the firewall is on by default and disables file sharing by default)
[08:51] <Mr_Sonoma> im wondering how happy that old 233 will be with xp but thats another issue all together.
[08:51] <intelikey> Mr_Sonoma yuch
[08:52] <robotgeek> pshaw. how many hours did it take to install it?
[08:52] <stdin> how happy is anything with XP :p
[08:52] <Mr_Sonoma> lol
[08:52] <Mr_Sonoma> well her saving grace will be all she does is email and some chat
[08:52] <intelikey> Mr_Sonoma you are about to switch her from windows aren't you
[08:52] <Mr_Sonoma> any serious web browsing she'll still use my machine.
[08:52] <Mr_Sonoma> im trying to get her talked into linux solely but hasnt worked yet.
[08:53] <Daisuke_Ido> Mr_Sonoma: if that's all she does, then she's a prime switching candidate
[08:53] <Mr_Sonoma> when we had just this machine set up she had no choice i dont want the VIRUS on my computer *snicker*
[08:53] <Daisuke_Ido> what, windows?  windows isn't a virus
[08:53] <stdin> Mr_Sonoma: do what I do, install VMware server and have XP started in full screen mode, they don't know they're *really* using linux :p
[08:53] <Mr_Sonoma> its a cyrix mII
[08:53] <Mr_Sonoma> lol
[08:53] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido are you sure ?
[08:54] <Daisuke_Ido> windows is a collection of discrete viruses.
[08:54] <intelikey> oh ok
[08:54] <Daisuke_Ido> explorer.exe. msmsgs.exe, etc. etc.
[08:54] <Mr_Sonoma> i doubt even this one is machine enough to run 2 OS at the same time
[08:54] <Mr_Sonoma> much less the one we are setting up for her while i take this online class
[08:55] <Mr_Sonoma> yes WINDOWS most deff is a VIRUS thats infecting the majority of the computers in the world *snicker*
[08:55] <intelikey> virii'us's
[08:55] <intelikey> or... virii'os's
[08:55] <Mr_Sonoma> lol
[08:56] <Mr_Sonoma> when i do debian im gonna see if i cant select debian as the default boot os (dunno if there is even such an option i havent set up a dual boot before)
[08:56] <Mr_Sonoma> maybe i can stick her in debian most of the time
[08:57] <intelikey> some times i like to discreetly troll ##windows   with questions like   what is a firewall?  and do i need antivirus programs?   :)
[08:57] <robotgeek> Mr_Sonoma: sure, grub can do your bidding
[08:57] <false_> I dual-boot, and Grub lists my Kubuntu first.
[08:57] <robotgeek> bad intelikey
[08:57] <stdin> intelikey: the MS virus is growing http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/6917156.stm
[08:57] <intelikey> you should see the reactions
[08:58] <Mr_Sonoma> lol
[08:58] <robotgeek> intelikey: i would imagine
[08:58] <stdin> intelikey: MS will be the 1st OS less "advantaged" kids will see/use
[08:58] <intelikey> yep. seen.
[08:58] <false_> Windows will always be 'first in line', only the intelligent look past what it's crowding the view. ;)
[08:59] <stdin> false_: "always"? I hope not, and it isn't always the first seen by some
[08:59] <Mr_Sonoma> you should have seen the I/T guy at work when i asked him why we dont run a stable computer system at work.
[08:59] <intelikey> stdin local news.  school here hired a linux man for the computer lab...  it runs about 80% linux now.
[09:00] <false_> stdin, That was meant as a 'general' statement, not factual information.
[09:00] <stdin> the 1st OS my cousin has seen was Kubuntu 7.04 with Beryl :)
[09:00] <Mr_Sonoma> after my online class is over im upgrading to gusty and loading compiz fusion
[09:00] <intelikey> Mr_Sonoma what was the answer ?
[09:01] <Mr_Sonoma> what answer?
[09:01] <intelikey> "i bu da, i ba du..."
[09:01] <intelikey> :)
[09:01] <Mr_Sonoma> lol
[09:02] <stdin> intelikey: the most disturbing statement was one from Bill himself, "We installed a nice Windows internet enabled PC in many libraries" (and he did specifically say "nice Windows PC")
 you should have seen the I/T guy at work when i asked him why we dont run a stable computer system at work.   <intelikey> Mr_Sonoma what was the answer ?     <intelikey> "i bu da, i ba du..." <<<<   :)
[09:03] <intelikey> stdin yes...   but what do you expect out of mr. M$ himself
[09:03] <intelikey> he's not going to say    "we make a really crappy OS and no one in their right mind would ever use it..."
[09:03] <stdin> to have a kernel32.exe error and go blue?
[09:04] <Mr_Sonoma> oh i see now
[09:04] <intelikey> blue headed    lol....
[09:04] <Mr_Sonoma> yea he just gave me a blank stare and i asked if he had heard of unix
[09:04] <Mr_Sonoma> he just turned and walked away
[09:05] <intelikey> Mr_Sonoma typical,      but in reality he was answering your Q.   he was saying "no what's that...?"
[09:05] <stdin> the last person I asked about linux (in a PC store) also gave me a "blank" look, like they were waiting for the MS Office 2007 app to open in their brain
[09:06] <Mr_Sonoma> i walked into a pc store to buy a processor fan for my socket a
[09:06] <Mr_Sonoma> dude tried to tell me i needed to upgrade because of vista coming out and i said "yea ok"
[09:06] <stdin> you should have said "Vista? What's that?" :p
[09:07] <Mr_Sonoma> so he told me about this great system they have was something like $350 + software license
[09:07] <Mr_Sonoma> i told him the software license was free and my socket a ran it fine, that i would take the fan
[09:07] <niko_> hi to all
[09:07] <stdin> then just say, "Nah, I'll just use Gutsy" and watch the confused look emerge from his face
[09:07] <intelikey> stdin just this week i was asking a sales manager in "staples" about a "real modem"   he said "yeah that's a real modem"  i said so linux wont have any trubble with it then  and he goes "ah, well, yeah it will, actually that's a winmodem"
[09:07] <niko_> i've some problem with compiz fusion
[09:07] <niko_> it generate 8 desks instead of 4
[09:08] <niko_> from 5 to 8 they doesn't work
[09:08] <intelikey> niko_ which release are you running ?
[09:08] <niko_> distro?
[09:08] <niko_> kubuntu
[09:08] <niko_> 7.04
[09:08] <stdin> intelikey: heh, well at least he knew what a winmodem was
[09:08] <intelikey> no release
[09:08] <niko_> of compiz?
[09:08] <intelikey> of kubuntu niko_
[09:08] <niko_> yeap
[09:08] <niko_> 7.04
[09:09] <intelikey> stdin yeah.
[09:09] <niko_> well... the main problem are the selection of the windows...
[09:10] <niko_> they can be selected only if I click on title
[09:10] <stdin> niko_: with -fusion there is a horizontal number and vertical number. Also the pager app doesn't really work with it
[09:10] <intelikey> niko_ ok, was asking because there are other channels dedicated to the developement version and also to high end graphics.
[09:10] <intelikey> !beryl
[09:10] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:10] <niko_> thanx
[09:11] <intelikey> niko_                  ^       that channel might help even more.
[09:11] <Mr_Sonoma> uh the compiz fusion channel is what #fusion??
[09:11] <pag> niko_, iirc the problem is within libwnck,  I'm not 100% sure, but you might have to downgrade that (and downgrading might cause problems)
[09:11] <stdin> think it's just #compiz ??
[09:11] <Mr_Sonoma> its in the #beryl topic
[09:11] <intelikey> Mr_Sonoma have they seperated it out of   #ubuntu-effects   ?    or are you asking about the app specific channel ?
[09:12] <niko_> waz?!?
[09:12] <Mr_Sonoma> app specific channel
[09:12] <niko_> downgrade the ditro?
[09:12] <intelikey> oh ok.  yeah.
[09:12] <intelikey> niko_ ?
[09:12] <niko_> pag.... i doesn't undestood
[09:13] <pag> niko_, heh... only that library; but as I said, it's pretty hacky solution, and I would reccomend it only as a last solution
[09:13] <intelikey> niko_ oh.  no pag is not talking about downgrading the distro  just the  libwnck  package
[09:14] <niko_> but i didn't know if i've the last installed...
[09:14] <niko_> may i check when i finished the upgrade...
[09:14] <niko_> but my trouble is the selection of window...
[09:15] <niko_> this lib is the problem?
[09:15] <pag> niko_, so I've heard. I'm not 100% sure about it.
[09:15] <intelikey> /join #ubuntu-effects
[09:16] <niko_> i'm in
[09:16] <intelikey> they should know in there.
[09:16] <niko_> but no one answer me
[09:16] <intelikey> !patience
[09:16] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[09:16] <niko_> they R all sleeping
[09:16] <niko_> sure...
[09:16] <niko_> but
[09:16] <niko_> i know perfectly this one
[09:16] <Mr_Sonoma> niko_, /join  #compiz-fusion
[09:17] <niko_> but remeber i'm italian...
[09:17] <niko_> eheheh
[09:17] <Mr_Sonoma> if no one is answering in ubuntu-effects check in the fusion channel
[09:17] <niko_> we have different clock fuse....
[09:18] <pag> does anyone have any idea, why KMail stopped asking for kwallet password and asks for each account password seperatly?
[09:18] <intelikey> fuser -k clock
[09:19] <raylu> you didn't change kwallet settings, did you?
[09:20] <rmutchle> whois lady*
[09:20] <pag> raylu, no.. iirc I didn't touch any settings even remotely related to these two programms
[09:20] <raylu> o.0
[09:20] <raylu> maybe you should just take a poke at the kwallet settings then
[09:21] <intelikey> rmutchle this is irc "where men are men,  and women are men, and children are FBI agents"
[09:21] <Tm_T> intelikey: he's gone already
[09:21] <ardchoille> I installed a sensor checking app. What is the ideal cpu temp? What is too high?
[09:21] <intelikey> Tm_T oh  yeah i missed it'
[09:21] <Tm_T> ardchoille: over 60 begins to be high
[09:22] <ardchoille> Tm_T: Thank you :)
[09:22] <raylu> ardchoille, depends on your hardware
[09:22] <raylu> but what Tm_T is probably safe
[09:22] <ardchoille> raylu: I was afraid of that
[09:22] <ardchoille> ok
[09:22] <raylu> at 100, you should turn on your liquid nitrogen cooling :P
[09:22] <ardchoille> hahaha
[09:23] <intelikey> ardchoille also < 80 shouldn't be any danger
[09:23] <niko_> however
[09:24] <niko_> how can i solve another problem with kaffein
[09:24] <niko_> the things is this
[09:24] <pag> raylu, thanks.. seems I managed to get it to work - I hope it works after a reboot too :)
[09:24] <niko_> the viedo that i see it doesn't be render on the cube...?
[09:25] <niko_> if i use vlc and i set the viedo output on X11
[09:25] <ardchoille> niko_: Sounds like the same thing with screenshots, I think it has to do with which video driver you're using
[09:25] <niko_> noone
[09:25] <raylu> i think xine will render and mplayer wont...or is it the other way around?
[09:25] <niko_> if I install fglrx for my ati mobility radeon
[09:25] <intelikey> isn't lag wonderful
[09:25] <stdin> niko_: yeah, you have to use "xv"
[09:25] <raylu> lag makes the world go round.
[09:25] <niko_> xv?
[09:26] <asad> hi everyone
[09:26] <stdin> niko_: it's a video output driver, set it in Settings > comfigure Xine
[09:26] <stdin> niko_: under "video"
[09:26] <intelikey> raylu or does the world going around make us lag ????
[09:26] <niko_> in kaffeine?
[09:27] <raylu> intelikey, if that were the case, we should make the world spin in the other direction so we'd have negative lag
[09:27] <niko_> where i've to set?
[09:27] <intelikey> raylu i'll stop this side   you stop that side and we'll spin it the other way
[09:27] <stdin> niko_: yeah, Settings -> Configure Xine Parameters -> Video (in the Driver section)
[09:28] <shib> hello everyone??
[09:28] <raylu> intelikey, uh oh. the earth seems to be experiencing kernel panic :P
[09:28] <stdin> was that a question?
[09:28] <raylu> yes, it was?
[09:28] <niko_> well
[09:28] <niko_> thnx i founded!
[09:29] <asad> hi everyone
[09:29] <shib> i am using wvdial using nokia phone and can easily use konversation but konquerer always says server not found.why?
[09:29] <raylu> yeah...i used su :(
[09:29] <shib> plz help.
[09:29] <pag> !hi | asad
[09:29] <ubotu> asad: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[09:29] <asad> me also using wifi but konquerer not connected why
[09:32] <shib> hello anyone??
[09:33] <intelikey> something upstream blocking it ?
[09:33] <shib> i am using wvdial using nokia phone and can easily use konversation but konquerer always says server not found.why?
[09:34] <asad> I just somehow make my wifi working but konquerer not working and firefox is working ?? anyone know why
[09:34] <intelikey> ping google.com
[09:35] <intelikey> asad not me.     just so you know you are not ignored
[09:35] <asad> thank you.
[09:35] <intelikey> !wifi | asad maybe this will help
[09:35] <ubotu> asad maybe this will help: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:36] <asad> THANKS GUYS
[09:36] <shib> intelikey: ping succesful
[09:37] <intelikey> shib unless something upstream is blocking the browser,  i have no clue.    but networking is not my forte
[09:38] <intelikey> shib all i can do is offer a work around.      use a different browser...    firefox   dillo   elinks   links2 -g
[09:39] <intelikey> that list is kinda from one to the other extreem
[09:39] <shib> it was kde network manager(asshole!!!)thnx anyway :)
[09:40] <intelikey> no problem...
[09:40] <intelikey> they are for ever updating.... The following packages will be upgraded:
[09:40] <intelikey>   libc6 libc6-dev
[09:41] <intelikey> i must have dl'd libc6 a houndred times on this distro/release
[09:41] <rrbiz> wow no appreciation from that cat
[09:42] <intelikey> rrbiz i took it that the injunction was against the app and not this channel...  did i misread that?
[09:45] <rrbiz> not sure, but just saying to say that and split after being helped sux
[09:46] <t00na> hello
[09:46] <t00na> I have all these special keys on my keyboard...
[09:46] <intelikey> well i'm not suer he was helped...  and he said "thnx anyway :)"    so....
[09:46] <t00na> like one that opens a calculator, one that opens mail...
[09:47] <t00na> another that is supposed to open a web browser
[09:47] <t00na> the Mail and Calculator ones work.
[09:47] <intelikey> khotkeys ?
[09:47] <t00na> I press Mail, Kmail pops up.
[09:47] <t00na> calculator, SpeedCrunch comes up
[09:47] <t00na> so I need to install khotkeys?
[09:48] <intelikey> !khotkeys
[09:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about khotkeys - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:48] <intelikey> !info khotkeys
[09:48] <ubotu> Package khotkeys does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[09:48] <t00na> eh?
[09:50] <intelikey> well that's not it....   i thought there was a command to adjust the hotkeys called "khotkeys"   try alt+f2 and type in khotkeys and see what happens
[09:50] <t00na> nothing is happening...
[09:50] <intelikey> and i'll dismiss my self.
[09:51] <t00na> tuna@tuna-desktop:~$ khotkeys
[09:51] <t00na> ERROR: Communication problem with khotkeys, it probably crashed.
[09:53] <Ailean> is kubuntu based on x?
[09:53] <se7en^Of^9> t00na: you can set keyboard shortcuts from kcontrol > regional + >keyboard shurtcuts
[09:54] <Mr_Sonoma> intelikey there is something under gnome to set up special keys i dont know if there is a KDE native
[09:54] <Mr_Sonoma> and i dont know what app it is, i got it when i loaded the ubuntu-desktop
[09:54] <t00na> se7en^Of^9: i don't see it...
[09:55] <se7en^Of^9> terminal kcontrol
[09:55] <Mr_Sonoma> Ailean, yes kubuntu uses x
[09:55] <Ailean> i'm having problems getting x to start with this ATI mobility radeon x1300
[09:56] <Mr_Sonoma> ok your gonna need to talk to someone with experiance with the ATI cards. sorry nvidia here
[09:56] <mumificirani> !launchpad
[09:56] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[09:58] <arun> is there any app to view pdfs? better than kpdf?
[09:58] <mumificirani> !pdf
[09:58] <ubotu> pdf is the Portable Document Format created by Adobe; viewable in GNU/Linux with xpdf/kpdf/gpdf, evince and also adobe reader (free download, but closed source)
[09:58] <stdin> better than kpdf? Blasphemy !
[09:58] <mumificirani> kpdf rules btw
[09:59] <dario> Ailean: look in /etc/apt/sources.list which driver is beeing used
[10:00] <stdin> dario: sources.list ?????
[10:00] <dario> oh, sry /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:00] <dario> ^^
[10:06] <t00na> ok, got to the keyboard shortcuts dialog, but for some reason, it doesn't accept the hotkeys as keystrokes.
[10:12] <jombee> anyone know anything about vsftp?
[10:13] <t00na> jombee? from pee-wee's playhouse?
[10:13] <jombee> t00na kind of
[10:18] <jombee> so nobody knows about vsftp
[10:19] <mumificirani> !vsftp | jombee
[10:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vsftp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:21] <raylu> jombee, whatdyaneed?
[10:21] <jombee> for some reason it won't listen
[10:22] <jombee> i can /etc/init.d/vsftpd start and it says ok
[10:22] <jombee> but it don't listen
[10:22] <jombee> even if I ftp localhost it says connection refused
[10:22] <jombee> nothing about ftp in iptables, should I add a full allow there?
[10:23] <raylu> um
[10:23] <raylu> i'm not sure; i dont use iptables
[10:23] <raylu> ps -A | grep ftp
[10:23] <raylu> ?
[10:25] <baudthief> How do I format a USB flashdisk in kubuntu feisty?
[10:25] <baudthief> (as FAT, I mean)
[10:25] <jombee> i don't use iptables either, but I assumed by the sites I've seen that it is installed by default in the server editiion
[10:26] <pag> baudthief, use qparted  (or gparted, I'd reccomend this one, though it's gnome app)
[10:26] <jombee> mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 where sda1 is your flash drive
[10:27] <stdin> baudthief: probably with qtparted (for a GUI), or fdisk/parted and mkdosfs (CLI)
[10:28] <iarwain_> yo, anyone here knows something about Windows XP? tried the ##windows channel, but they don't answer xD
[10:28] <arun> anyone using beryl here?
[10:28] <jombee> ps -A | grep ftp doesn't return anything,
[10:28] <jombee> so why would it not start when I tell it too
[10:29] <jombee> iarwain, I know a bit about xp
[10:29] <iarwain_> arun: i do, occasionaly
[10:29] <jombee> arun, i use compiz fusion
[10:29] <jombee> but I used beryl before, I still know a few things
[10:29] <iarwain_> jombee: do you know where the plug-and-play stuff are located on the cd? is it the driver.cab file?
[10:30] <jombee> iarwain_ I don't understand the question
[10:30] <iarwain_> jombee: i screwed up my installation of XP, i have almost no p&p. I want to have that, so i'm trying to get the file of my XP-cd
[10:31] <arun> i'm using beryl, and my video apps keep crashing if i resize the window or make the video full screen. they work fine in 'normal' view.. any way to get around this problem?
[10:31] <raylu> jombee, i'd recommend tail-ing the logs
[10:32] <se7en^Of^9> iarwain_: try a repair install that should fix the problem
[10:32] <jombee> raylu: I don't even have any logs for vsftp in var/log
[10:33] <jombee> iarwain_ I was thinking sysprep
[10:33] <jombee> it will reinstall all of your hardware
[10:33] <iarwain_> sysprep?
[10:33] <raylu> jombee, use either "man vsftp" to find them or try /var/vsftp
[10:33] <arun> anyone?
[10:33] <raylu> also check the vsftp folder in /etc
[10:34] <iarwain_> se7en^Of^9: thx for the suggestion, but i just reinstalled 3 times.. Gonna try some other things first xD
[10:34] <baudthief> pag, jombee, stdin: thanks!
[10:34] <jombee> arun: I think I changed the window manager from emerald to kwin
[10:35] <raylu> jombee, or, better, switch to proftpd so i know what i'm talking about :P
[10:35] <jombee> arun: it was still choppy but not as bad
[10:35] <raylu> arun, are you using xine?
[10:36] <ice9> how do I empty the trash? When I try it says "Could not remove" then the filenames
[10:37] <arun> jombee: what do you mean you changed it from emerald to kwin
[10:37] <jombee> if you right click on the diamond you can change window managers
[10:37] <arun> raylu: video only seems to work for x11.. but x11 video quality sucks
[10:37] <arun> jombee: i get an option between kwin and beryl
[10:37] <raylu> arun, you may need to stop using a generic driver
[10:37] <arun> and if i choose kwin, i dont get the effects, etc
[10:38] <jombee> might be window decorator
[10:38] <arun> raylu: i'm using the restricted drivers
[10:38] <jombee> arun: there is your problem
[10:38] <jombee> nvidia?
[10:38] <arun> yeah, nvidia
[10:38] <arun> what's the problem
[10:39] <pag> ice9, try to open the thrash folder, selecting all and pressing shift+del
[10:39] <ice9> I did, same message
[10:40] <jombee> you need the full nvidia 3d drivers
[10:40] <jombee> the restricted one's aren't good enough
[10:40] <jombee> make sure you read the information on the forums like it tells you too, particularly the part about newer distro's like ubuntu
[10:40] <raylu> ice9, i'm not sure; i've never used the trash. shift+del = skip the trash
[10:41] <pag> ice9, ok.. the hard way then: sudo rm -r ~/.local/share/Trash/
[10:41] <jombee> proftpd just worked
[10:41] <jombee> cool
[10:42] <ice9> Cool, thanks pag, that did it
[10:42] <corevette> why do i get errors everytime i extract i file using ark
[10:43] <jombee> what is the error?
[10:43] <arun> jombee: is compiz fusion better than beryl?
[10:43] <raylu> not yet, according to someone else
[10:43] <jombee> arun: a little bit buggier, but a whole lot more impressive
[10:44] <arun> you were saying earlier about my problem with beryl
[10:44] <jombee> I thought in beryl there was a place where you could change the window decorator,
[10:45] <arun> sorry crashed again
[10:45] <arun> you were saying?
[10:45] <jombee> I thought in beryl there was a place where you could change the window decorator,
[10:45] <jombee> right  clicking on the gem icon
[10:45] <arun> i cant
[10:46] <jombee> do you have all of the unsupported extra's
[10:46] <corevette> nevermind
[10:46] <arun> yes, everything else works
[10:46] <arun> just that video wont work in full screen
[10:47] <jombee> I never had them working perfect in full screen,
[10:47] <sveweck> Hey guys, something weird is going on here. Nothing in KDE is able to load anything, remote or local. But ping and wget work. The problem didn't exist yesterday. Any hints?
[10:47] <sveweck> What might have gone wrong with the kioslaves?
[10:49] <sveweck> interestingly, IRC with Konversation works...
[10:51] <sveweck> Looks like NetworkManager might be related, as KNetworkManager's systray icon is unresponsive.
[10:51] <sveweck> and it doesn't respond to DCOP
[10:54] <iarwain_> hiya guys, can anyone enlighten me why ubuntu uses strange version names? like konqueror version 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu12
[10:55] <pag> iarwain_, 3.5.7 is konquerors version ubuntu12 means it has 12-ubuntu patches iirc
[10:55] <corevette> what does iirc stand for
[10:55] <corevette> pag: what about the 1 before ubuntu
[10:55] <pag> if I recall correctly
[10:56] <pag> corevette, I don't know.
[10:57] <sveweck> iarwain_: I think the "4:" means "the next major version will be 4.x.x", but this never really made sense to me
[10:57] <iarwain_> hmm
[10:57] <iarwain_> so could one use the konquerer deb from idk where, install it, and have no problems?
[11:07] <prophezy> anyone that knows where i can download Even for linux (similiar with partition magic for windos)
[11:07] <logixoul> Guys, nothing in my KDE is able to load anything (local or remote - e.g. show a directory view, or a web page). However, everything outside KDE (Firefox, wget...) works fine. And so does Konversation. Obviously the problem is in kioslaves. Any hints? Yesterday all was fine.
[11:10] <prophezy> !gparted
[11:10] <ubotu> GParted is is a !GUI partitioning program. Type  sudo apt-get install gparted  in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[11:14] <arun> is compiz fusion easy to install
[11:18] <mumificirani> !install
[11:18] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[11:18] <mumificirani> hm
[11:23] <arun> how does one uninstall beryl completely
[11:32] <xunil> I am wondering what the advantages to using AMD64 version of kubuntu as opposed to i386
[11:35] <pag> xunil, almost none
[11:35] <xunil> that's what i assumed. i've heard from a couple people that is faster, but i can lose a bit of speed for better compatability
[11:35] <pag> xunil, it'll might boost speed of large claculations (or 3d rendering), but on the other hand, you'll get problems with closed source programms
[11:36] <xunil> i'll only be doing basic 3d modelling and programming, nothing too hard to compute. so i will just stick with the 32 bit
[11:50] <caligiuri> italia
[11:55] <arun> i just installed compiz fusion, everything went without a hitch during installation. After i ran it, all windows became black
[11:59] <jussi01> arun: #ubuntu-effects
[12:09] <Ace2016> Hi all
[12:09] <Ace2016> how do i stop my /etc/resolv.conf being overwritten every 10min or so
[12:09] <Ace2016> ?
[12:13] <Ace2016> i tried chmod 444 but it ignored it :/
[12:30] <waylandbill> Ace2016: use static ip addressing. The dhcp client is setting that info as assigned by the dhcp server.
[12:31] <waylandbill> setting it to 444 probably has no effect because the client may be temporarily changing it.
[12:32] <waylandbill> on a side note, if I was going to change it, i'd of went with 400. your results may vary. :-)
[12:33] <Ace2016> waylandbill: i edited the script in sbin that modifies resolv.conf and commented stuff out of it
[12:34] <Ace2016> waylandbill: not temproarily but it always does it, and keeps doing it
[12:43] <haico> hallo
[12:43] <haico> do you speek dutch?
[12:44] <Ace2016> no but you seem to speek english
[12:45] <neusonce> i speak engrish !!
[12:47] <prophezy> lolz
[12:47] <ksivaji> someone help me, mysql is new for me... how to connect html web page and mysql ?
[12:49] <runlevelten> ksivaji: You need to choose some program language or similar technique to present the information from your database in your web page,
[12:50] <runlevelten> and add to it from what happens on your web page. Might I suggest you look at php, or python.
[12:50] <Phlosten> ksivaji: php might be a good start
[12:51] <ksivaji> am i need html ,php and mysql for this ?
[12:51] <ksivaji> Do i?
[12:52] <runlevelten> ksivaji: what are you trying to do?
[12:53] <runlevelten> It sounds like you're doing something very small-scale, in which case running a database server might simply be overkill.
[12:55] <ksivaji> which one is preferable  java applet or  html to access database
[12:55] <ksivaji>  ?
  can you get me ?
[12:57] <runlevelten> ksivaji: you won't be using html to access a database, not under normal circumstances.
[12:57] <runlevelten> Java or PHP would each be fine.
[01:04] <solarwaver> is anyone knows how can i write to ntfs disks?
[01:05] <rhoderyc> try fuse and ntfs3g
[01:05] <grul> !ntfs
[01:06] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:06] <grul> !ntfs-3g
[01:06] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[01:07] <solarwaver> ntfs 3g it does not work anymore
[01:07] <lemacs> i have installed ntfs-3g, now i'm going to format my 2G ussb stick in ntfs format
[01:07] <solarwaver> i install it it plays and yesterday it stack
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[01:13] <Hirvinen> !ops
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[01:13] <Silent_G> hello, is it true that Gaim is renamed to Pidgin now? :o
[01:14] <runlevelten> Silent_G: Yes.
[01:14] <Silent_G> is it in Package manager?
[01:14] <Hirvinen> !away | se7en^Of^9
[01:14] <ubotu> se7en^Of^9: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[01:14] <Silent_G> So no more versions will be out of Gaim right? now its Pidgin?
[01:14] <runlevelten> Silent_G: go and have a fricking look, heh
[01:15] <Silent_G> lol
[01:15] <Silent_G> its not in adept
[01:15] <Silent_G> :S
[01:16] <solarwaver> is anybody knowing fuse and howi use it?
[01:19] <sathya>  <runlevelten> are you there ?
[01:20] <runlevelten> Yes. Hello?
[01:21] <sathya> which one is preferable  java applet or  html to access database ?
[01:21] <sathya>  <runlevelten> which one is preferable  java applet or  html to access database+
[01:21] <runlevelten> sathya: Only Java can out of those.
[01:22] <runlevelten> There are means of using markup to present query results etc., but not your bog standard html.
[01:22] <runlevelten> Your question should look more like "which is better java or php/python/perl"
[01:23] <sathya> ya
[01:23] <runlevelten> in which case I'd say - look at them all and use the one you find easiest to use.
[01:23] <runlevelten> Then when you've got something written, you're in more of a position to choose between technologies for yourself :)
[01:26] <sathya> i am confused... we are doing one small project on patient database management ...i want to access mysql database from web page .. the thing i need front end html ,java script connector and mysql data base right
[01:27] <runlevelten> Yeah, that'd do it.
[01:27] <runlevelten> HTML and Java applets would be fine.
[01:28] <sathya> is java applet a web program ?
[01:30] <runlevelten> Well not "applet", "servlet" really
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[01:30] <sathya> are yo u there ?
[01:31] <runlevelten> You know that Javascript is not Java, right?
[01:31] <commandercool612> lol
[01:31] <[Apollo] > Hi all!
[01:31] <runlevelten> You keep saying 'java script', I wouldn't want any confusion to arise.
[01:31] <sathya> ok
[01:31] <commandercool612> so its been 10 years since ive used linux. wtf commands changed?
[01:32] <runlevelten> they are completely different things :)
[01:32] <commandercool612> they are... and im very lost haha
[01:32] <runlevelten> javascript is not really appropriate for writing a serverside db application
[01:33] <[Apollo] > commandercool612: why don't you use PHP for that?
[01:33] <[Apollo] > if it's web-based
[01:34] <runlevelten> Yes, I've recommended PHP several times, [Apollo] , heh
[01:34] <runlevelten> Or python \o/
[01:34] <[Apollo] > :)
[01:34] <runlevelten> commandercool612: what commands == different?
[01:35] <commandercool612> i just meant bash commands in general
[01:35] <commandercool612> maybe ive just forgotten
[01:37] <runlevelten> I nose what you mean.
[01:38] <runlevelten> sathya: If you wish to make your server-side application using Java and are just starting out, finding some learning materials and the java docs are going to be a lot more efficient than asking in IRC :)
[01:39] <runlevelten> s/are/is/
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[01:41] <runlevelten> Heh.
[01:42] <runlevelten> I may need to drink some coffee then. With two spoons full of IQ points and manners. :)
[01:43] <sathya> is there any open source tool that creates java script or html when i drag and drop buttons
[01:43] <sathya> web design tool ?
[01:44] <runlevelten> sathya: What you have are two separate issues. The design of the page and the forms, and the stuff that will glue that to your database.
[01:45] <runlevelten> The design of the page is the visual bit, and that can be done with softwares like openoffice.org, and if they're still making them mozilla composer and nvu.
[01:45] <sathya> can you be more  clear
[01:45] <runlevelten> Or if you have Dreamweaver 8, it runs just peachily in wine.
[01:46] <sathya> we are suppose to use only open source .
[01:46] <runlevelten> Good.
[01:46] <runlevelten> This is a homework project then?
[01:47] <sathya> i think dreamweaver is not open source is it ?
[01:47] <runlevelten> It isn't. The design of the page can be laid out with other similar tools like OOo or Composer.
[01:48] <runlevelten> That said, you're much better off if you use something like bluefish to do it by hand.
[01:48] <sathya> !bluefish
[01:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bluefish - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:48] <pag> !info bluefish
[01:48] <ubotu> bluefish: advanced Gtk+ HTML editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.7-1 (feisty), package size 1570 kB, installed size 6724 kB
[01:49] <pag> !info quanta
[01:49] <ubotu> quanta: web development environment for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2382 kB, installed size 5728 kB
[01:49] <runlevelten> bluefish is a lovely web editor, with lots of readily available code snippets that help you do stuff (like making forms and sql db access) very fast and easy.
[01:49] <sathya> quanta makes use of html or java script ?
[01:51] <runlevelten> yeah. quanta's good, nice for editing, although some of the features aren't mature - most notably the wysiwyg.
[01:51] <runlevelten> great css editor :)
[01:55] <Silent_G> hello can someone help me with this ? checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[01:56] <pag> Silent_G, what are you trying to do?
[01:57] <Silent_G> install Pidgin
[01:57] <Silent_G> *configure
[01:57] <Silent_G> ./configure
[01:57] <Silent_G> :p
[01:57] <pag> http://www.getdeb.net/release.php?id=1045
[01:58] <pag> installing .deb is so much easier ;)
[01:58] <Silent_G> yeah but i couldn't find it on Adept Manager
[01:58] <Silent_G> thats why i downloaded the source
[01:58] <Silent_G> and on their website of Pidgin there wasnt a debian/ubuntu package
[01:58] <Silent_G> :S
[01:59] <pag> Silent_G, yup.. it's not in the repos (in feisty)  you have to get it from other sources. ie. getdeb :)
[01:59] <Silent_G> oh i see
[01:59] <pag> !pidgin
[01:59] <ubotu> pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept. It wasn't released in time for Feisty. Expect it in gutsy. See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info.
[01:59] <tatters> Gnome screensavers work fine ,but I get blank screen  in Kubuntu, glxinfo seems to be fine :(
[01:59] <Silent_G> how come they didnt make it in feisty?
[01:59] <Silent_G> uh ok
[01:59] <Silent_G> i see
[01:59] <Silent_G> :p
[02:00] <pag> Silent_G, it was released after the feature freeze (iirc. it was released about at the same time as feisty itself)
[02:00] <tatters> where do I find power saving features in KDE?
[02:02] <tatters> nvm found it
[02:04] <Silent_G> pag,
[02:04] <Silent_G> do you know why Amsn slows down alot by any chance? or why my X server slows down and must be restarted?
[02:04] <pag> hmm?
[02:04] <Silent_G> is it a chipset problem?
[02:05] <pag> I have no idea about either, sorry.
[02:05] <Silent_G> ok
[02:08] <aldin> how to find out what MHz is my DDR2 RAM?
[02:09] <aldin> over konsole
[02:11] <remorema> hi
[02:11] <remorema> can anyone help me out with my laptop sound
[02:11] <remorema> installed ubuntu 7.04
[02:11] <remorema> and only have sound on my headphones right ear
[02:12] <remorema> how can I install realtek HD audio drivers ?
[02:12] <remorema> please!!!
[02:13] <pag> !sound | remorema, you va try these
[02:13] <ubotu> remorema, you va try these: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[02:13] <pag> s/va/can  :-/
[02:15] <remorema> I guess arts its not installed by default
[02:15] <remorema> gonna install that now
[02:21] <remorema> well! in sound settings I changed from auto to alsa , and I'm now getting sound from both left & right earphone
[02:22] <remorema> but I still get no sound from laptop built in speakers
[02:22] <remorema> any ideas ?
[02:37] <Silent_G> how to add an application into the KDE menu that i have compiled manually?
[02:38] <pag> Silent_G, edit menu, choose 'new item' and edit the entry to your needs
[02:39] <Silent_G> ok
[02:40] <Silent_G> AND HOW cone the programme added a .desktop icon into /usr/local/share/applications and it didnt automatically show in the desktop or in the K menu ?
[02:49] <kraut> moin
[02:51] <xot123> moin
[02:53] <arun> anyone here use flock?
[03:16] <dave_> how  do i go about getting dvds to play on kubuntu i keep getting an error reading nav packet? :o
[03:17] <pag> !dvd | dave_
[03:17] <ubotu> dave_: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:17] <dave_> k cheers will try that now thanks
[03:19] <arun> anyone here use flock?
[03:22] <dave_>  Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[03:23] <kalorin`> why would you have to compile a theme for kde?
[03:23] <kalorin`> with config/make?
[03:24] <pag> dave_, prefix the command with sudo?
[03:24] <pag> kalorin`, good question, since most of the styles are available as .deb's ;)
[03:25] <dave_>  Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[03:25] <dave_> i just tried that :
[03:25] <pag> dave_, did you use sudo?
[03:25] <dave_> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc                                                                                    ess using it?
[03:25] <dave_> yeh
[03:26] <kalorin`> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Crystal?content=13969
[03:26] <kalorin`> that's the one I pulled the source for
[03:26] <pag> dave_, do you have another process running  (ie. updates / adept)
[03:26] <dave_> not that i know of, but in when i press ctrl esc apt-get is in the lits
[03:27] <dave_> list*
[03:27] <pag> kalorin`, umm.. isn't crystall installed by default?
[03:27] <bullgard4> I am looking for a general description of kexi, in particular its features. What can you recommend? Googling did not help me much.
[03:27] <kalorin`> not sure
[03:27] <dave_> and it won't let me kill it
[03:27] <pag> !aptfix | dave_, try that
[03:27] <ubotu> dave_, try that: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[03:27] <pag> !info kwin-style-crystal
[03:27] <ubotu> kwin-style-crystal: semi transparant window decoration for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.2-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 131 kB, installed size 580 kB
[03:28] <dave_> database area is locked by another process
[03:28] <bullgard4> !kexi
[03:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kexi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:28] <kalorin`> intersting
[03:28] <kalorin`> I guess it is
[03:28] <dave_> i think it may be because i try to update java thing :o
[03:41] <dave_> !dvd
[03:41] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:42] <arun> where are the desktop entries for all applications stored?
[03:42] <arun> .desktop files
[03:43] <pag> arun, /usr/share/applications/ maybe?
[03:46] <arun> is there supposed to be a /opt directory?
[03:47] <pag> arun, I guess... it doesn't contain anything by default though
[03:47] <arun> i'm following this guide to install flock
[03:47] <arun> it says to untar the tarball to the /opt directory
[03:47] <arun> when i do that it says no such directory exists
[03:47] <arun> and gives me an error
[03:48] <arun> any suggestions?
[03:48] <pag> sudo mkdir /opt  (though I have a feeling that the guide isn't for Ubuntu)
[03:49] <rjb> could someone with a fresh feisty install please try the following? surf with konqueror to a page that embeds a java applet. java is active in konqueror's settings by default...
[03:49] <rjb> does the applet start?
[03:51] <arun> pag: the title says 'install flock for ubuntu'
[03:51] <rjb> www.java.com would be just fine, click on "verify installation" or whatever it says in your language
[03:52] <pag> arun, oh... then just create the directoy, and continue as the guide ells you to
[03:53] <rjb> please could someone do the java test for me? i want to know whether it's my install that's broken, or it's a bug in kubuntu
[03:55] <arthur> bonjour tout le monde
[03:55] <arthur> j'ai un petit problme
[03:56] <pag> !fr | arthur
[03:56] <ubotu> arthur: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[04:03] <arun> wow, flock definitely looks and runs better than firefox
[04:03] <arun> how do i add something to the panel
[04:04] <pag> arun, is it something really worth testing or just yet another firefox copy with few (new) possibilities?
[04:05] <pag> arun, right click on panel -> add <something> to panel
[04:05] <arun> pag: it looks a lot better.. the browsing experience is smoother. it uses the firefox rendering engine, but has some nifty extra features
[04:06] <pag> arun, ok. I think I'll just stick with Konqueror then :)
[04:06] <arun> ah
[04:06] <arun> :)
[04:07] <andreas_> !de
[04:07] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[04:15] <michel__> Hallo
[04:18] <balint> hiho, i've a problem
[04:18] <rjb> pag: you're a konq user, right? could you verify that konq runs java applets for you?
[04:19] <pag> rjb, if you can give me a link, I can say does it work, sure
[04:19] <gambix> hi
[04:19] <pag> balint, be more specific, please. :)
[04:19] <rjb> www.java.com
[04:20] <pag> rjb, seems to work just fine
[04:20] <rjb> pag: using a fresh feisty, or an upgrade?
[04:21] <balint> pag, mom. phon ;)
[04:21] <pag> rjb, using feisty, sun-java6-jre installed, konq's version 3.5.7
[04:22] <gambix> did you know why we have only kde4 alpha2 release in the repositories despite the fact i read in the kde4 shedule the 25 july for the beta cycle begining
[04:22] <dr_willis> it will get there when it gets there? :)
[04:22] <pag> gambix, betta tagging has begun, beta hasn't been released though
[04:22] <rjb> pag: ok so you've upgraded to kde 3.5.7
[04:22] <gambix> ok i understand so
[04:22] <rjb> perhaps that fixes the problem i'm seeing
[04:23] <pag> rjb, perhaps... What kind of problem do you have?
[04:23] <dthacker> where is the best place to request an app be packaged for ubuntu/kubunt?
[04:23] <gambix> pag: when does this snapshot as been taked just before the 25 ?
[04:23] <pag> dthacker, #ubuntu-motu I guess...
[04:23] <rjb> every time i visit a page with an applet, i find konq has switched off java applet support
[04:24] <kalorin`> does anyone know what file the color theme is stored in?
[04:24] <rjb> i have to toggle it back on manually before it works again
[04:24] <dthacker> pag: anyplace other than irc?
[04:24] <kalorin`> I just want the colors for the various window parts and so on, not everything else
[04:24] <pag> gambix, dunno, sorry.
[04:24] <rjb> i also have sun-java6 but kde at 3.5.6
[04:24] <pag> dthacker, their mailing list maybe?
[04:24] <dthacker> tnx
[04:24] <balint> so, my problem is: i've installed kubuntu (latest ofc.), then i've installed the ati driver (after guide on wiki.cchtml.com). it works great (fglrxinfo shows the good vendor, etc...), but i've have to turn off composite extension (the guide said do so). Now beryl don't want to work -- I can't switch from kde to beryl, anybody can help?
[04:25] <balint> sorry for my english ;)
[04:25] <balint> * I had to turn off
[04:26] <pag> balint, iirc you have to use XGL with fglrx  look for a guide to do that
[04:26] <rjb> pag: tools / html settings /java toggles to off by itself, i need to switch it back on every time i want an applet to run
[04:26] <dr_willis> Id suggest not using the fancy dekstop stuff at all. :)
[04:26] <balint> pag, don't understand ;) what should i type to google ? :)
[04:26] <kalorin`> balint: yes, you can't run beryl if you don't have composite working and the ati drivers don't do composite
[04:26] <[ifr0g] > how do i write grub to the mbr if the installation fails at grub ?
[04:27] <kalorin`> well not the ati drivers from ati anyway
[04:27] <pag> rjb, hmm.. try upgrading to 3.5.7?
[04:27] <balint> kalorin`: i see, so i've to w8 for other version of (k)ubuntu ?
[04:27] <dr_willis> [ifr0g] ,  so the system cant even boot?
[04:27] <dr_willis> !fixgrub
[04:27] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:28] <kalorin`> or use the opensource ati drivers
[04:28] <rjb> pag: never had that in edgy etc. but i wiped my drive clean to install feisty
[04:28] <pag> balint, problem is at ATIs end - you just have to wait 'till they release a working drivers (It might take a while though)
[04:28] <dr_willis> I use the FGLRX drivers.  - i just dont  use the fancy desktop stuff. my little laptop cant handle them.
[04:28] <balint> pag, kalorin`: i see
[04:28] <rjb> cause the upgraded was cuasing some trouble
[04:28] <kalorin`> beryl says that it's a composting window manager, and you're disablign composite functions in the ati driver, they simply aren't going to work together
[04:29] <balint> pag, kalorin`: where can i find "opensource" ati drivers? :)
[04:29] <kalorin`> doesn't anyone know where the color scheme stuff is located
[04:29] <kalorin`> in adept
[04:29] <dr_willis> the 'ati' drivers are open sourced.. the 'fglrx' drivers are the NonGPL drivers from ati.
[04:29] <kalorin`> I want to pull the customer color scheme off another workstation to this one
[04:30] <kalorin`> just the colors is all though
[04:30] <bullgard4> I am looking for a general description of kexi, in particular its features. What can you recommend? Googling did not help me much.
[04:30] <pag> rjb, I don't really know, what might be causing your problems - the only thing I can suggest is upgrading to 3.5.7
[04:30] <dr_willis> kalorin,  the user could of customiozed them. they would be in .kde some where.
[04:30] <kalorin`> yeah that's where i"m looking actually
[04:30] <kalorin`> .kde/share
[04:31] <pag> kalorin`, ~/.kde/share/apps/kdisplay/color-schemes/TheNameOfTheScheme.kcsrc
[04:31] <dr_willis> sounds about right kalorin . ive never really looked for themm
[04:31] <dr_willis> Ya could load their color setting,  then save them somewhere else. I guess. :)
[04:31] <mc__> hello. In kde i open and start everything with one click, how can i change that so that i have to double click?
[04:31] <balint> kalorin`: i'm not finding it... :( so the problem is in the official driver? (it's really new: 07.23 :S )
[04:32] <waylandbill> mc__: kpersonalizer
[04:32] <pag> mc__, kcontrol -> peripherals -> mouse  iirc
[04:32] <waylandbill> mc__: run kpersonalizer using Alt-F2 and it will guide you with a short wizard.
[04:32] <mc__> pag:  thank you
[04:32] <dr_willis> is kpersonalizer installed by default?
[04:33] <pag> waylandbill, is kpersonalizer installed by default? :O
[04:33] <kalorin`> pag, interesting, I don't have a kdisplay directory there
[04:33] <waylandbill> dr_willis: hmm. perhaps it isn't any longer.
[04:33] <balint> other question: i'm having problems with cedega project aswell. i have ati x700, but cedega says it doesn't support 3d acceleration (in MS it works great ofc.)
[04:33] <pag> kalorin`, have you saved any custom-schemes then?
[04:34] <kalorin`> perhaps not
[04:34] <kalorin`> let me check the other system
[04:34] <dr_willis> waylandbill,  i seem to recall that i install a lot of 'not isntalled by default kde extras' on a clean install THEN it runs kpersonalizer afer i do that for each user the next tme they logged in. It was a bit annoying.
[04:34] <dr_willis> !info kpersonalizer
[04:34] <ubotu> kpersonalizer: installation personalizer for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20.1 (feisty), package size 490 kB, installed size 808 kB
[04:35] <waylandbill> dr_willis: interesting. it used to be installed with base kde. Guess it's not any more.
[04:35] <kalorin`> pag, you're brilliant!
[04:36] <pag> kalorin`, not me, the 'locate' command is ;)
[04:36] <balint> other question: i'm having problems with cedega project aswell. i have ati x700, but cedega says it doesn't support 3d acceleration (in MS it works great ofc.)                    and can somebody advise a stuff like beryl (just not composite) ? :)
[04:36] <arun> um.. why won't ksnapshot take a screenshot if i have one of the menus open (File, edit, etc)?
[04:36] <arun> I want to take a screenshot with a menu open, how do i do that
[04:36] <pag> arun, use scrot
[04:36] <pag> !info scrot
[04:36] <ubotu> scrot: command line screen capture utility. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8-7 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 84 kB
[04:37] <arun> commandline?
[04:37] <arun> i have to run it from the terminal?
[04:37] <sam1337> When I play my games such as ut2004 native, guild wars emulated with cedega, star wars jk emulated with cedega my system seems to crash. I am using the latest nvidia driver in the repository and latest xorg too. glxgears is reporting about 5000fps atm on my 7600gs pci-e card. What could be the issue with my setup?
[04:37] <pag> arun, that's the only way *I* am aware of, maybe the others can suggest something more graphical?
[04:38] <arun> pag: how do i run scrot? what would the command be
[04:39] <balint> sam1337, i would like to play with GW on Linux aswell, but my cedega didn't recognize 3d acceleration in my atiradeonx700 :(
[04:39] <pag> arun, after you've installed it it can be ran with  scrot screenshot.png
[04:39] <pag> arun, also; see man scrot  (it'll give couple of handy options)
[04:39] <sam1337> balint cedega really dosent like ati cards anyway
[04:40] <sam1337> balint that's why I got an nvidia one
[04:40] <jrad> Hi, short question ;): in which file can I define environment variables in ubuntu?
[04:40] <balint> sam1337, ye, but i read the readme, and it should work with ati too :(
[04:40] <sam1337> balint its not worth trying your gameplay would be very unpleasent
[04:41] <paulduf> Hi, I am installing Kubuntu, I have used pppoeconf to connect to Internet, now konqueror 'could not connect to...' any page, but I am pretty sure it will connect without problem after reboot, any test I could do now to investigate why it does not work?
[04:41] <pag> jrad, .bashrc should do the job, I guess..
[04:41] <pag> paulduf, ping google.com
[04:41] <arun> pag: thanks
[04:41] <jrad> pag: thanks, I will have a look ;)
[04:41] <balint> sam1337, ye maybe. but i LOVE linux (good distros, ofc.) and i LOVE playing games, and it can be get togethet :S
[04:42] <sam1337> balint if you love those two things then you should seriously consider a decent nvidia card. Gaming in linux with ati is very poor.
[04:42] <pag> jrad, probably depends a lot on the variable itself; ie. $EDITOR can safely be defined in .bashrc
[04:42] <balint> sam1337, yep, when i'll buy a new pc, i'll buy it with an nvidia card ;)
[04:42] <paulduf> Ping google.com works, and I am using the system I described right now, so Internet work, just Konqueror, I have not tried today to install Firefox, but last day when it happened Firefox was working
[04:45] <arun> pag: how am i supposed to keep the menu open and type in the command at the same time
[04:45] <jrad> pag: I want to define (extend) the $PATH variable. If it is not the .bashrc file, then it must be another .* file in /etc
[04:45] <jrad> pag: But I will investigate this ;)
[04:46] <pag> arun, you didn't read the man-pages, did you? :)  scrot -d 5 menus.png   and then make sure you open your menus within 5secs
[04:46] <arun> pag: thank you so much, you're a lifesaver
[04:47] <pag> np :)
[04:47] <paulduf> Just installed firefox, it works, but konqueror no
[04:48] <arun> pag: worked great, thanks
[04:48] <leeyefei> 
[04:49] <pag> paulduf, I've heard a lot about that problem, just can't remember any solution... iirc it's something about proxy / port settings, but I might be as well wrong
[04:49] <pag> !cn | leeyefei
[04:49] <ubotu> leeyefei: For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[04:49] <paulduf> pag: thanks
[04:50] <leeyefei> thanks
[04:51] <rjb> pag: i didn't expect you to solve my problem for me, was just interested whether others see the same issue
[04:51] <lemacs> leeyefei: 
[04:51] <pag> rjb, ok :)
[04:55] <pag> paulduf, also, you should probably check knetworkmanager - it also seems to cause similiar problems
[04:56] <arun> man, firefox is SLOOOOW today.. i'm glad i'm on flock.. it looks so cool, works really fast too
[04:57] <Pazy> Who here has tried KDE 4 alpha?
[04:58] <leeyefei> 
[04:59] <pag> !cn | leeyefei
[04:59] <ubotu> leeyefei: For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[05:00] <paulduf> pag: quitting knetworkmanager made konqueror work again, thanks!
[05:00] <pag> paulduf, anytime :)
[05:02] <rjb> since feisty's last kernel upgrade, i'm getting a weird message in the kernel log:
[05:02] <rjb> irq 3: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)
[05:02] <rjb> (sorry for not using the pastebin for a 1liner)
[05:03] <rjb> and it seems my eth0 no longer works
[05:03] <pag> rjb, I have a suggestion; try booting with the "irqpoll" option :)
[05:03] <rjb> (irq 3 is indeed attached to the eth adapter)
[05:03] <rjb> pad: waddyou know, was the first thing i did
[05:03] <rjb> but no change
[05:03] <rjb> pag even
[05:04] <pag> rjb, hmm.. noapic maybe?
[05:05] <pag> rjb, or just use the older kernel "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" :)
[05:05] <paulduf> knetworkmanager was not 'knowing' about my pppoe connection because it was launched before I used pppoeconf, but now when I  launch knetworkmanager, I see my connection in it, and konqueror still works
[05:06] <philo23> hey guys, i'm trying to set up VNC, but i keep getting a "ReadFromRFBServer: rdr::EndOfStream" i think its something to do with the font path, but i'm not sure
[05:07] <rjb> pag: yes using noapic already (otherwise logs were flooded with apic errors)
[05:08] <luca> hi everyone
[05:08] <luca> it appears I have a sneaky connection from my box towards microsoft.com, something I want to kill. any suggestions?
[05:10] <dr_willis> edit the hosts file :)
[05:10] <philo23> hey guys, i'm trying to set up VNC, but i keep getting a "ReadFromRFBServer: rdr::EndOfStream" i think its something to do with the font path, but i'm not sure
[05:10] <dr_willis> point microsoft.com to 127.0.0.1
[05:10] <dr_willis> philo23,  ive had issues in the past that depend on WHICH vncviewer you are using.
[05:11] <dr_willis> philo23,  ive had Much better luck with the 'vnc4viewer/server' packages
[05:11] <philo23> dr_willis: thats the VNC server that i am running
[05:11] <dr_willis> philo23,  check the vnc log files.  in the .vnc dir. also be sure  you dont get extra vncservers going by mistake.
[05:12] <philo23> dr_willis: any tips on checking if any others are running?
[05:13] <dr_willis> ps ax | grep vnc
[05:13] <dr_willis> use vncserver --kill :1 or whatever to kill them propery.
[05:13] <dr_willis> a silly Typo can start an extra one by mistake. heh :()
[05:13] <luca> drwillis: edit what where? :)
[05:13] <dr_willis> luca,  the 'hosts' file
[05:13] <dr_willis> in /etc
[05:13] <dr_willis> windows has a similer file somewhere also.
[05:14] <dr_willis> bbl the wife needs me,.
[05:15] <luca> uhm and now how am I editing it? :)
[05:15] <philo23> luca: are you trying to edit the hosts file?
[05:16] <keith> Can anyone tell me how to add startup programs in kubuntu?? Please. All I can find are instructions for Ubuntu which has a GUI to do it...
[05:17] <luca> yes
[05:17] <luca> keith: open ~/.kde/Autostart and add programs
[05:17] <philo23> go to konsole
[05:17] <luca> just drag them from the menu to the folder
[05:17] <luca> philo23 sure enough
[05:17] <philo23> and type, kate /etc/hosts
[05:18] <luca> ok
[05:18] <luca> modifying it with root privileges
[05:18] <philo23> yeah, forgot that sorry
[05:19] <luca> np ;)
[05:19] <philo23> right, see the first line? something like 127.0.0.1 then a TAB then localhost
[05:19] <luca> yep
[05:19] <philo23> it pretty much mean, point 127.0.0.1 to localhost
[05:19] <keith> luca: Thank you v much!! :)
[05:19] <luca> ok
[05:20] <philo23> so the line below, put microsoft.com then a TAB then enter localhost
[05:20] <philo23> then do it again, but www.microsoft.com
[05:20] <luca> keith no problem - there exist a module for kcontrol, but I found the folder approach faster ;)
[05:21] <luca> ah good :D
[05:21] <luca> should I reboot or something now?
[05:21] <philo23> yeah i'd recomend that
[05:21] <luca> ok
[05:21] <philo23> that will point all requests to microsoft.com to your pc again, so it should stop them from doing what they are
[05:22] <luca> other question - will I eventually be able to access the microsoft site in the future or does this prevent me from going into thier site as well?
[05:22] <luca> jsut curious :D
[05:22] <philo23> but it will stop you from viewing microsoft.com in your web browser
[05:22] <luca> ok thanks already answered ;)
[05:22] <philo23> :)
[05:22] <philo23> i'm sure theres another way, but this is quick and easy
[05:22] <luca> yep guess so
[05:22] <luca> I WILL find the culprit
[05:23] <philo23> heh
[05:23] <luca> but in the meantime, this will stop them for good :P
[05:23] <luca> uhm I am gonna do the same for gdesktop now
[05:23] <luca> when you edit the preferences/use the search it connects to something
[05:23] <bullgard4> I am looking for a general description of kexi, in particular its features. What can you recommend? Googling did not help me much.
[05:24] <luca> let's see if I can block them without blocking google altogether
[05:27] <philo23> any body got any idea how to make VNC viewer work when it gives the error ReadFromRFBServer: rdr::EndOfStream
[05:32] <jrad> pag: environment variables can be set in /etc/environment, as I found out.
[05:32] <pag> jrad, oh.. thanks for the info :)
[05:33] <HomeRoey> hi
[05:33] <jrad> pag: yeah, strange location, that "environment" file, I mean the name ;)
[05:33] <HomeRoey> I have a geforce4 board; I installed the nvidia-glx-new package, and I get "no screens found" when I try to start X.
[05:33] <HomeRoey> SO I installed nvidia-glx-legacy and now I can't get the full screen at once
[05:33] <HomeRoey> (I have to pan around)
[05:35] <kaminix> Err http://se.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/multiverse Sources
[05:35] <kaminix>   Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[05:35] <kaminix> Any ideas why?
[05:38] <vistakiller> HomeRoey try to use envy script http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[05:39] <HomeRoey> ok
[05:39] <HomeRoey> one sec
[05:39] <pag> !envy
[05:39] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[05:40] <philo23> hey guys, i'm trying to set up VNC, but i keep getting a "ReadFromRFBServer: rdr::EndOfStream" i think its something to do with the font path, but i'm not sure
[05:45] <HomeRoey> vistakiller:  I can't
[05:45] <HomeRoey> vistakiller:  when I tried to install the .deb, I get a lot of unmatched dependencies.
[05:46] <vistakiller> install what dependencies missing
[05:46] <HomeRoey> I can't; they also have broken (broken) dependencies.
[05:47] <HomeRoey> Also, I tried following http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_setup_nvidia_drivers_in_7.04,  but it references options that arent' there in adept.
[05:47] <HomeRoey> Click Preferences next to help in the bottom left of the add / remove applications windows.
[05:47] <FoxDie-BR> can someone help me with the nvidia restricted driver on gutsy ? i can't disable it. i already have two work-arounds but would like the real solution. /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules won't work
[05:47] <HomeRoey> "Click Preferences next to help in the bottom left of the add / remove applications windows." <-- there's no such "preferences" button.
[05:47] <_Shade_> does anyone know how can i install xgl on kubuntu feisty?
[05:48] <HomeRoey> _shade_, apt-get install xorg-xgl
[05:49] <_Shade_> HomeRoey: there's no such package... if you meant xgl-server then i have it installed
[05:49] <HomeRoey> nono, there's an xorg xgl
[05:49] <HomeRoey> or something like it
[05:49] <HomeRoey> _Shade_:  I was just messing aroudn with this yesterday (but... I didn't get it to work, so I'm not a good source for help on this)
[05:50] <HomeRoey> why the heck doesn't my scrollwheel register??? arg
[05:50] <HomeRoey> I just installed Kubuntu.
[05:50] <FoxDie-BR> can someone help me with the nvidia restricted driver on gutsy ? i can't disable it. i already have two work-arounds but would like the real solution. /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules won't work
[05:51] <_Shade_> HomeRoey: the only package that i have there connecting to the 'xgl' phrase is 'xgl-xserver'
[05:52] <HomeRoey> I suppose that'sthe one, then.
[05:52] <HomeRoey> there's probably some selector app where you can choose which X server to start.
[05:52] <FoxDie-BR> where can i get help about gutsy ?
[05:52] <pag> !gutsy | FoxDie-BR
[05:52] <ubotu> FoxDie-BR: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[05:53] <kaminix> !multiverse
[05:53] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:53] <HomeRoey> How do I make it so that apt-get doesn't ask for the CD-ROM for updates?
[05:53] <FoxDie-BR> can someone help me with the nvidia restricted driver on gutsy ? i can't disable it. i already have two work-arounds but would like the real solution. /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules won't work
[05:53] <pag> HomeRoey, disable cdrom from sources.list?
[05:53] <kaminix> HomeRoey: Delete the CDn from your source list?
[05:53] <HomeRoey> it's not in there.
[05:53] <_Shade_> HomeRoey: i think you have to do this manually in /usr/share/xsessions to get it on the list
[05:54] <HomeRoey> oh nevermind, I found cdrom: and removed it.  Thanks
[05:54] <HomeRoey> _Shade_:  ahh, so that's where it was.
[05:55] <_Shade_> HomeRoey: yeah, but i don't know the syntax so i cannot start xgl :)
[05:55] <HomeRoey> oof
[05:55] <HomeRoey> hehe
[05:55] <HomeRoey> and google said nothing so far?
[05:56] <HomeRoey> vistakiller:  thanks for the script; I got it installed (the script, not yet the nviida drivers)
[05:56] <_Shade_> HomeRoey: well google said something that crashed my keyboard during boot process :)
[05:56] <HomeRoey> :(
[05:56] <HomeRoey> that must suck!
[05:57] <vistakiller> :)
[05:57] <HomeRoey> see, I've grown really frustrated with this nonsense over the past... jesus, 10 years already
[05:57] <HomeRoey> wow
[05:57] <HomeRoey> vistakiller:  this Envy is nifty
[05:57] <_Shade_> i had to push the power button every time i get to kdm since i couldn't even get to the console session
[05:57] <HomeRoey> Build of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed! How do you wish to proceed?
[05:57] <HomeRoey> Oh, fuck.
[05:58] <vistakiller> ok unistall use first the option unistall nvidia driver
[05:59] <_Shade_> rysiek|pl: netia suxx :P
[05:59] <vistakiller> _Shade_ go to recovery console and type
[05:59] <vistakiller> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:00] <_Shade_> vistakiller: i had backed up my xorg,conf already so it works well now
[06:00] <vistakiller> ah ok what you try to do?
[06:00] <rysiek|pl> _Shade_: sferia blows
[06:00] <rysiek|pl> _Shade_: why not on #ubuntu.pl?
[06:01] <_Shade_> rysiek|pl: since i haven't found what i need out there
[06:02] <jrad> Hi, I just try to execute "sudo <name>.sh", but I get returned: "sudo: <name>.sh: command not found" - I mean, is it not a little too much hastle to edit the /etc/sudoers file just to be able to execute a shell script as root? Or am I wrong with my assumption?
[06:02] <FoxDie-BR> can someone help me with the nvidia restricted driver on gutsy ? i can't disable it. i already have two work-arounds but would like the real solution. /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules won't work
[06:02] <rysiek|pl> _Shade_: ah... happens
[06:02] <_Shade_> rysiek|pl: sferia blows indeed :)
[06:02] <_Shade_> rysiek|pl: they have some weekly traffic limits out there etc :)
[06:03] <rysiek|pl> _Shade_: roflmaoabtc
[06:03] <_Shade_> rysiek|pl: besides i am using kde as you can see, and there's no polish kubuntu related channel so far :)
[06:04] <rysiek|pl> _Shade_: well, I am using kubuntu, too
[06:04] <tom__> Does anyone have the Mce remote that comes with vista running?
[06:05] <_Shade_> rysiek|pl: any experience with xgl maybe?
[06:05] <rysiek|pl> _Shade_: pukam na priva
[06:05] <jrad> jedno piwo brosze ;)
[06:06] <rysiek|pl> jrad: inglisz pliz
[06:06] <rysiek|pl> :P
[06:06] <tom__> I keep getting this error "lirc_mceusb2: no version for "lirc_get_pdata" found: kernel tainted."
[06:06] <jrad> rysiek|pl: yes, i just tried to impress you with my poor knowledge of Polish ;)
[06:07] <FoxDie-BR> can someone help me with the nvidia restricted driver on gutsy ? i can't disable it. i already have two work-arounds but would like the real solution. /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules won't work
[06:08] <rysiek|pl> jrad: whoa, since you aren't *actually* Polish, I *am* impressed; many Polish tourists or many times a tourist in Poland? ;)
[06:08] <jrad> rysiek|pl: I had been twice in Poland. Last time I meet my Polish email girl friend, so I learned some Polish, to impress her ;)
[06:09] <Silent_G> hello is it possible to install a Suse package on kubuntu?
[06:09] <Kr4t05> Silent_G: SuSE uses .RPM packages, right?
[06:09] <Silent_G> yeah
[06:09] <Kr4t05> !alien > Silent_G
[06:09] <Silent_G> yeah i have alien
[06:09] <Silent_G> :p
[06:10] <pinkerton> hello
[06:10] <Kr4t05> Then use it. :P
[06:10] <Silent_G> cool
[06:10] <Silent_G> :p
[06:11] <pinkerton> help me to install ati driver, please
[06:11] <jrad> Other question: how can I get rid off this need to do "sudo" all the time? I mean, I would like to log in as root, and then execute anything I would like.
[06:12] <vistakiller> pinkerton look this guide http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu
[06:13] <vistakiller> jrad take a look here http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty
[06:13] <pinkerton> i do it, and its ok, bat finaly, video files work not corectly
[06:13] <vistakiller> give fglrxinfo and paste here
[06:13] <vistakiller> to see what you have
[06:14] <jrad> vistakiller: thank you ;)
[06:14] <pinkerton> im 2 days linux user and i dont know match
[06:14] <stepz> what is the correct way to remove services from startup?
[06:14] <vistakiller> open konsole nai type fglrxinfo
[06:15] <vistakiller> and*
[06:15] <pinkerton> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[06:15] <pinkerton> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[06:15] <pinkerton> OpenGL renderer string: ATI Radeon 9550 / X1050 Series
[06:15] <pinkerton> OpenGL version string: 2.0.6650 (8.39.4)
[06:16] <vistakiller> you are ok then you have the official driver
[06:16] <vistakiller> and what problem you have with them?
[06:16] <pinkerton> yes, from ati.amd.com
[06:16] <jrad> vistakiller: do you mean this here: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_modify_kernel_boot-up_arguments.2C_to_gain_root_user_access ?
[06:17] <vistakiller> yes jrad look the guide
[06:17] <Kr4t05> I have what could be called a silly question; I'm uninstalling some non-essential packages that I don't use or need. While uninstalling them, it also uninstalls a "kubuntu-desktop". If my understanding is correct, kubuntu-desktop is only a meta-package. I haven't broken my system, have I?
[06:17] <vistakiller> but dont do this is for your security
[06:18] <vistakiller> Kr4t05 you have no problem with this
[06:18] <jrad>  vistakiller: OK, I will try that, just a moment ... ;)
[06:19] <renato> it is a meta-package, but if you originally installed something else, say ubuntu server or ubuntu or edubuntu, and you then installed the kubuntu-desktop package you will lose some of your kde look and feel
[06:21] <pinkerton> when i watch video files, picture more pixels, then i dont use ati driver, what does it mean?
[06:21] <pinkerton> if i dont use ati driver its perfect
[06:22] <vistakiller> pinkerton ati driver is buggy
[06:22] <tom__> vistakiller:Do you have any suggestions on lirc usb problems?
[06:22] <pinkerton> and whats your advise?
[06:23] <vistakiller> what player you use?
[06:23] <pinkerton> its in all players
[06:23] <vistakiller> vlc?
[06:23] <HomeRoey> hi
[06:23] <HomeRoey> vistakiller: hi
[06:23] <pinkerton> yes
[06:23] <vistakiller> hi
[06:24] <HomeRoey> vistakiller: i tried envy and got (halfway through the build process) "dpkg-deb - Debian revision (`lowlatency') doesn't contain any digits", which led to a fatal make error.
[06:24] <vistakiller> HomeRoeye try to run it from Konsole
[06:24] <HomeRoey> vistakiller: I tried a variety of kernels, like 'generic' (got the same result) and '386' (it complained about it being a Xen kernel, on which nvidia driver doesn't work)
[06:25] <vistakiller> sudo envy -t
[06:25] <HomeRoey> vistakiller: I did this entirely from the console.
[06:25] <HomeRoey> vistakiller: no X, so no Konsole ;)
[06:25] <vistakiller> ok if you havent x
[06:25] <HomeRoey> ok
[06:25] <HomeRoey> (I'm on irssi now)
[06:25] <vistakiller> try to run it from terminal
[06:25] <HomeRoey> I did
[06:25] <HomeRoey> that's what I got, I'm telling you
[06:25] <vistakiller> and ?
[06:25] <HomeRoey> vistakiller: i tried envy and got (halfway through the build process) "dpkg-deb - Debian revision (`lowlatency') doesn't contain any digits", which led to a fatal make error.
[06:25] <HomeRoey> vistakiller: I tried a variety of kernels, like 'generic' (got the same result) and '386' (it complained about it being a Xen kernel, on which nvidia driver doesn't work)
[06:26] <vistakiller> xen??? is virtual machine this?
[06:27] <HomeRoey> vistakiller: no...
[06:27] <HomeRoey> vistakiller: I'm saying that I got build error no matter which kernel I used.
[06:28] <HomeRoey> vistakiller: the ubuntu kernel linux-image-2.6.20-16-386 is apparently a Xen-enabled kernel.
[06:28] <philo23> hey guys i need to get my VNC working
[06:28] <philo23> it keeps dying each time i try to run it
[06:30] <vistakiller> HomeRoey have you seen other error message?
[06:31] <HomeRoey> vistakiller: I didn't have a chance; the text flew by
[06:32] <jrad> vistakiller: it did not work, the steps at http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_modify_kernel_boot-up_arguments.2C_to_gain_root_user_access
[06:33] <jrad> vistakiller: after reboot, X did not boot, it fell back to a normal console screen. the login prompt did not ask me for a user name and a pw ...
[06:34] <vistakiller> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=432056 take a look here for an answer
[06:35] <jrad> vistakiller: thanks, I will have a look ;)
[06:35] <vistakiller> no for HomeRoey
[06:36] <rysiek|pl> gtg, cu all, do zobaczenia jrad ;)
[06:36] <jrad> vistakiller: oh, you were posting an answer to a different question, as I found out ;)
[06:36] <jrad> rysiek|pl: I need my Polish dictionary now ;)
[06:36] <philo23> hey guys my VNCserver seems to just keep giving me the same error and not working, i get the error: "ReadFromRFBServer: rdr::EndOfStream"
[06:37] <vistakiller> jrad look here http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_use_.22sudo.22_without_prompt_for_password_.28not_secure.29
[06:37] <rysiek|pl> jrad: well, that had the translation before the comma ;)
[06:37] <rysiek|pl> cu
[06:37] <jrad> <rysiek|pl: yes, bye!
[06:38] <HomeRoey> hi again
[06:38] <HomeRoey> vistakiller: so anyway
[06:39] <vistakiller> what happen?
[06:39] <jrad> vistakiller: thanks, but this is not what I meant ;). I would like to have a different pw for root. which is different to my "normal" user accounts, as in other linux distros ;)
[06:39] <HomeRoey> vistakiller: nothing yet, I was dustying my table :)
[06:39] <HomeRoey> vistakiller: thanks btw
[06:40] <jrad> vistakiller: I somewhere read in the ubuntu forum, that you just cannot apply "passwd root", and everything is fine ...
[06:40] <vistakiller> HomeRoey give this and try again
[06:40] <vistakiller> sudo apt-get install module-assistant build-essential fakeroot dh-make debhelper \ debconf libstdc++5 linux-headers-generic
[06:41] <HomeRoey> vistakiller: ok, they're already installed
[06:42] <HomeRoey> jrad: pvt msg me
[06:42] <jrad> vistakiller: sorry, I am not familiar with all abbrevations: shall I send you a personal message?
[06:43] <vistakiller> i have to go in a while
[06:43] <jrad> vistakiller: OK, I understand ;)
[06:43] <HomeRoey> jrad: (1) go into a root shell with 'sudo sh', (2) issue the command 'passwd' to change the current user (root's) password; that's it.
[06:44] <jrad> vistakiller: thanks a lot! I will buy you a beer, okay?
[06:44] <HomeRoey> jrad: np
[06:44] <HomeRoey> jrad: oh
[06:45] <jrad> HomeRoey: I think you meant somebody else ;)
[06:45] <HomeRoey> jrad: I just sent you a solution :)
[06:45] <jrad> HomeRoey: oh, thanks, I hope it will arrive here ... yesterday, while I sent a file via irc I got a time out ..
[06:45] <HomeRoey> ahh o
[06:46] <HomeRoey> *ok
[06:46] <HomeRoey> jrad: where are you from btw
[06:46] <jrad> HomeRoey: I am from Germany, and you?
[06:47] <HomeRoey> jrad: ah cool, from Israel originally
[06:48] <jrad> HomeRoey: I am living in Berlin ...
[06:48] <HomeRoey> toll
[06:49] <HomeRoey> jrad: my sister was just in Hannau
[06:49] <jrad> HomeRoey: yes, it is quite nice in Berlin, not anymore like between 1933 - 45 ;)
[06:49] <HomeRoey> :P
[06:49] <HomeRoey> jrad: She was in Hanover too
[06:50] <HomeRoey> and myabe in Frankfurt, not sure
[06:50] <HomeRoey> (we have family there)
[06:50] <HomeRoey> jrad: the next trip of my siblings and I is hopefully Germany
[06:50] <jrad> HomeRoey: Hannover is considered to be a boring town ;)
[06:50] <HomeRoey> jrad: what abot hanau?
[06:50] <jrad> HomeRoey; thats fine.
[06:50] <HomeRoey> jrad: I only know of the big ones... Berlin, Frankfurt
[06:50] <HomeRoey> jrad: what's considered a party town? :)
[06:51] <jrad> HomeRoey; hanau, it is known for a nuclear plant that has never been built, as far as I can remember
[06:51] <HomeRoey> haha :)
[06:51] <HayaBusa> this is stupid question, but some people when they talk to me , the text is in red . i assume is private or something ? how do you do that ?
[06:51] <jrad> HomeRoey: a party town is ... Berlin !
[06:51] <HomeRoey> hahahah :)
[06:51] <HomeRoey> jrad: any particular places in there?
[06:51] <Dragnslcr> HayaBusa- like this?
[06:51] <HomeRoey> HayaBusa: /msg
[06:52] <jrad> HomeRoey: it depends on the taste you have according to places to party.
[06:52] <pag> HayaBusa, it's a highligh - usually triggered when somebody says your name
[06:52] <Dragnslcr> HayaBusa- could be a private message, could be a notice, or could be just highlight
[06:52] <jrad> HomeRoey: there are many clubs and stuff in Berlin.
[06:52] <HomeRoey> jrad: extreme gay midget pornography
[06:52] <HomeRoey> jrad: I dunno, just nice places to visit
[06:52] <HomeRoey> jrad: nice night life
[06:52] <HomeRoey> jrad: shopping squares
[06:52] <HayaBusa> yes.. is red. lol
[06:52] <HayaBusa> how
[06:52] <pag> HayaBusa, private messages usually open a new tab
[06:52] <HomeRoey> jrad: Jewish quarters in Berlin
[06:53] <HayaBusa> so is not private . might be the notice type
[06:53] <HomeRoey> brb
[06:53] <jrad> HomeRoey: shopping quarters? yes, Potsdamer Platz.
[06:53] <Dragnslcr> HayaBusa- is it red every time someone says your name, like this line?
[06:53] <jrad> HomeRoey: Jewish quarters: no, I fear there are none here ... but there is a big synagoge.
[06:53] <HayaBusa> yes
[06:53] <HomeRoey> ahhh
[06:54] <HomeRoey> jrad: if there is Chabad there, that's enough for me :)
[06:54] <HomeRoey> I'm sure there probably is
[06:54] <HayaBusa> but how do you say someones name , ? i typed the name , but is not red
[06:54] <HomeRoey> HayaBusa: try completing it with <TAB>
[06:54] <HomeRoey> also
[06:54] <HomeRoey> .
[06:54] <jrad> HomeRoey: well, i personally like to go to www.kumpelnest3000.com, a place for gays, lesbians, transsexualls, deaf, and of course: heterosexuals ...
[06:54] <w|nb0nD> can someone explain to me what is a shell and why there are so many different ones?
[06:54] <HomeRoey> jrad: haha
[06:54] <andre_> I'm running into a problem trying to compile my own kernel (in order to be able to install an original Promise driver), but the compilation fails. Would someone here be able to help me?
[06:54] <HayaBusa> thanks
[06:54] <HomeRoey> oh, what does gay/lesbian/transsexual have to do with deaf?
[06:54] <jrad> HomeRoey: :)
[06:55] <Dragnslcr> HayaBusa- it would only highlight on your name
[06:55] <Dragnslcr> HayaBusa- depending on the IRC client you use, you can set it to highlight on any text you want
[06:55] <HayaBusa> Dragnslcr is this working
[06:55] <HayaBusa> hum
[06:55] <HayaBusa> lol
[06:55] <HayaBusa> im using konversation
[06:55] <Dragnslcr> Yep, that's highlight for me
[06:56] <HayaBusa> ohh so was highlited.. becuase i still see it in black collor fonts
[06:56] <Dragnslcr> I'm not sure offhand where the configuration is for highlights in Konversation
[06:56] <ekrengel> i somehow lost my trash icon in the panel
[06:56] <ekrengel> how do i get it back?
[06:56] <Dragnslcr> HayaBusa- yeah, it only highlights your name for you
[06:56] <Dragnslcr> ekrengel- right click the taskbar and go to Add Applet
[06:57] <Novell> ekrengel: Right click on panel -> Add applet to panel -> search for trash
[06:57] <w|nb0nD> ekrengel, right click, add to panel?
[06:57] <jrad> vistakiller: I think your solution worked! thanks!
[06:57] <HayaBusa> Dragnslcr- Thanks.
[06:57] <gilster> can anyone tell me how to create audio cd protection in feisty
[06:58] <ekrengel> i dont see it there
[06:58] <ekrengel> can't find it anywhere...
[06:59] <ekrengel> does anyone know the empty command?
[06:59] <ekrengel> for a terminal
[06:59] <jrad> vistakiller: strange: I compiled vim manually. but when I, as root, want to open a certain sh file, the prompt says that vim is not installed as a deb package. very strange: I added /opt/vim/bin/vim to the PATH env. variable BEFORE I changed the root pw in a sh shell. and then "which vim" found it in /opt/vim/bin, but now not anymore.
[07:00] <pag> ekrengel, emptying the Wastebin you mean?
[07:00] <Dragnslcr> ekrengel- not sure how the Trash applet isn't there
[07:00] <gilster> does no one know of such a program?
[07:00] <ekrengel> yeah...
[07:00] <Dragnslcr> I wouldn't think it's a separate package that can be uninstalled
[07:00] <jrad> HomeRoey: still looking at www.kumpelnest3000.com=
[07:00] <w|nb0nD> can someone explain to me what is a shell and why there are so many different ones?
[07:00] <jrad> HomeRoey: still looking at www.kumpelnest3000.com ?
[07:00] <HomeRoey> no X :(
[07:00] <pag> ekrengel, rm -r ~/.local/share/Trash/
[07:00] <ekrengel> when i upgraded to fiesty it was gone...
[07:01] <andre_> Does anyone know where the kernels config.h file is supposed to be located?
[07:01] <jrad> HomeRoey: oh, I understand ... this site is a flash site, so forget lynx ...
[07:01] <HomeRoey> jrad: hehe
[07:01] <jrad> HomeRoey: do you have a nvidia card?
[07:01] <HomeRoey> yes I do
[07:01] <HomeRoey> geforce4 ti4200
[07:01] <HomeRoey> I'm considering buying a small upgrade.
[07:02] <jrad> HomeRoey: I have problems with my nvidia card too ...
[07:02] <HomeRoey> aye
[07:02] <jrad> HomeRoey: the display of X is smaller than the monitor window itself ...
[07:02] <HomeRoey> oh,
[07:02] <HomeRoey> jrad:when you install the proprietary drivers, itfixes that
[07:02] <HomeRoey> jrad: apt-get install nvidia-glx-new,  I think
[07:03] <jrad> HomeRoey: no, I tried everything mentioned at ubuntu.org I think, it does not solve the problem
[07:03] <jrad> HomeRoey: no, not even with the drivers that come with ubuntu.
[07:03] <ekrengel> well that command works
[07:03] <jrad> HomeRoey: but under windows and under my other other linux distro everything is fine.
[07:03] <ekrengel> but i still dont know where to get the applet back
[07:03] <HomeRoey> yeah I know :)
[07:04] <pag> w|nb0nD, Wikipedia explains it pretty well; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_(computing)
[07:04] <jrad> HomeRoey: so now I try to manually compile an older nvidia driver that works in my other linux distro, but i get an error during configuration ..
[07:05] <jrad> HomeRoey: yes, it is annoying, but I think I need to do some troubleshooting on my own.
[07:05] <jrad> HomeRoey: what is your nvidia problem then?
[07:06] <w|nb0nD> pag, thank you
[07:06] <Roeyk> jrad:  hi from X!
[07:06] <Roeyk> I got back into X
[07:06] <Roeyk> but now I have to fix my screen size (it's messed up like yours is)
[07:06] <ekrengel> i found it!
[07:06] <Roeyk> literally, "Eureka!"
[07:07] <jrad> HomeRoey: I think I am not using X, I unexpecteldy am using Y instead ;)
[07:07] <ksivaji> hi
[07:07] <Roeyk> jrad :)
[07:07] <jrad> HomeRoey: so you are now having X running?
[07:07] <Roeyk> jrad:  for the moment ya
[07:08] <jrad> HomeRoey: and, everything fine in X?
[07:09] <gilster> come one someone has to be able to help me here...? please?
[07:09] <jrad> HomeRoey: all information about Berlin can be found at www.berlin.de
[07:10] <ubuntu_> hey its elite101 im running off the live cd and was wondering if xlink kai or XBC works on kubuntu
[07:10] <gilster> I am desperately trying to created cd-protection on an audio cd, is this doable in feisty?
[07:10] <Roeyk> ok back.
[07:10] <Roeyk> jrad:  no :(
[07:10] <jrad> Roeyk; oh ... is there a better site?
[07:11] <arun> why has azureus stopped downloading stuff
[07:13] <pag> arun, there might be tens, if not hundreds, of reasons for that.
[07:13] <Roeyk> jrad:  I don't know
[07:13] <arun> pag: i know :) just venting, sorry
[07:14] <jrad> Roeyk: Are you from Berlin? Shall we drink a beer this evening? ;)
[07:14] <Roeyk> jrad:  hehe from Israel
[07:14] <Roeyk> jrad:  but next time in Berlin, sure
[07:14] <Roeyk> welecher bier?
[07:14] <jrad> Roeyk: yep. thats too far, Israel ;)
[07:15] <Roeyk> well I'm in america
[07:15] <Roeyk> hehe
[07:15] <Roeyk> also far
[07:15] <Roeyk> but anwyay, which beer do you drink
[07:15] <Roeyk> ?
[07:15] <jrad> Roeyk: yes, next time in Berlin, yep ;)
[07:15] <jrad> Roeyk: which beer? I just drink a beer from Czechia.
[07:16] <Roeyk> oh
[07:16] <jrad> Roeyk: you are in the US? Well, when I had been there I liked to drink Coors.
[07:16] <Roeyk> there's a bar here in washington dc that has a TON of beers from all over the world
[07:16] <Roeyk> jrad:  coors?  Hmm, how about sam adams
[07:16] <Roeyk> that's a micro-brewery beer
[07:17] <jrad> Roeyk: sam adams? Never heard about it. I just try it, like a linux distro ;)
[07:17] <Roeyk> heh
[07:17] <jrad> Roeyk: ubuntu does not really make me drunk at the moment ...
[07:17] <jrad> *drunken
[07:18] <jhutchins> Actually, Sam Adams is brewed at major breweries under contract, so technically it's a "craft beer", not a micro-brew.
[07:18] <jrad> @at all: there is a beer in germany, black color, which has 8 percent alcohol
[07:19] <jrad> @at all: but Belgian beer is even stronger ...
[07:19] <Roeyk> jrad:  heh, ubuntu makes me want to pull my hair out at the moment
[07:19] <dario> hi all
[07:19] <dario> i have a problem
[07:20] <pag> !ask | dario
[07:20] <ubotu> dario: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:20] <jrad> Roeyk: I have bold hair ... what shall I do now?
[07:20] <jrad> *bald hair
[07:20] <dario> can you tell me how can i see the name of a disk  and mount it on a dir
[07:20] <Roeyk> jrad:  bang head into wall repeatedly out of frustration
[07:20] <jrad> man mount
[07:20] <jrad> dario: man mount
[07:20] <pag> dario, df -h  should show some info...
[07:21] <jrad> Roeyk: but my head is so flat from banging, there is nearly nothing left over ;)
[07:21] <Roeyk> awww :)
[07:22] <dario> it is a ntfs disk
[07:22] <dario> i don't see int in df -h
[07:22] <jrad> dario: yes, right, df -h is a good command, but then also issue the command "man mount", and have a look into /etc/fstab, which is the file system table.
[07:22] <pag> dario, oh yeah.. sorry, I misread your question
[07:23] <arun> pag: i figured out how to do the snapshot delay thing with ksnapshot as well, thanks for scrot though
[07:24] <arun>  /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:24] <arun> uh oh
[07:26] <jrad> dario: look at the file /etc/fstab, is it mentioned there?
[07:26] <dario> it*humm
[07:26] <dario> i have this line
[07:26] <jrad> dario: hda<x> identifies all partitions on your hard disk in this file.
[07:26] <jrad> dario: or sda<x>
[07:27] <dario> UID=D26467F96467DF2B /media/windows ntfs-3g defaults,locale=it_IT.UTF-8 0 1
[07:27] <dario> i think it should be this
[07:27] <jrad> dario: oh, just have a look into my fstab file ...
[07:27] <jrad> dario: just ME have a look into fstab ..
[07:29] <ksivaji>  is it possible to create button using quanta
[07:30] <bullgard4> I am looking for a general description of kexi, in particular its features. What can you recommend? Googling did not help me much.
[07:30] <zupex> hi
[07:30] <jrad> dario: can you change to /media ?
[07:31] <dario> what di you mean
[07:31] <dario> do
[07:31] <zupex> how do i start|stop|restart a service in kubuntu?
[07:31] <zupex> i need to start samba
[07:31] <dario> if i can go in /media
[07:31] <dario> ?
[07:31] <jrad> dario: just use konqueror. type into the URL field "/media"
[07:32] <dario> yes i can
[07:32] <jrad> dario: yes, go there ;)
[07:32] <jrad> dario: OK, and you see different folders?
[07:32] <dario> yes
[07:32] <jrad> one of these folder is your windows partition.
[07:32] <dario> yes
[07:32] <dario> but it is empty
[07:33] <jrad> dario: oh. mine is not empty
[07:33] <dario> mine yes
[07:34] <dario> it worked yesterday
[07:34] <jrad> I think it is NTFS related.
[07:34] <dario> and now it seems unmounted
[07:35] <jrad> dario: no it is not NTFS related. I can also see the content of c:
[07:35] <dthacker> hi,  I'm trying to install fiesty on a Compaq celeron with 330M of ram.  When I get to the disk partiion step, all I get is a blank dialog box. Is this a ram issue?
[07:35] <jrad> dario: do you use vista?
[07:36] <dario> no
[07:36] <dario> it suks
[07:36] <jrad> dario:XP?
[07:36] <dario> yes
[07:36] <Prophezy> do anyone know how i can delete an icon from a program that i haved unistalled in menu?
[07:36] <jrad> dario: hm, but I can see the content of c:
[07:36] <killermach> my kubuntu box was dhcp from the install , now I"m trying to set the eth0 IP to 192.168.1.5 and it will not stay
[07:36] <jrad> dario: which ubuntu version do you use?
[07:36] <dario> i use kubuntu
[07:37] <jrad> feisty?
[07:37] <dario> yes
[07:37] <jrad> like me ...
[07:37] <killermach> it's showing 192.168.1223 which was the dhcp address, but the eth0 shows static but has 223 and not 5, how do fix this?
[07:37] <jrad> hm, strange.
[07:37] <dario> when i go in the directory called windows
[07:37] <dario> i don't find nothing
[07:37] <dario> should i reinstall the tools for ntfs file sistem
[07:37] <dthacker> killermach:  are you using the desktop tools to change the Ip?
[07:37] <dario> ?
[07:38] <jrad> dario: but in WINDOWS I can see everything ...
[07:38] <killermach> I goto SystemSettings -> Network Settings -> Administrator mode, click eth0, then disable, then set to static, 192.168.1.5, then enable, and ifconfig shows 192.168.1.223 still
[07:39] <jrad> dario: maybe you need a kernel update. which kernel do you use? issue "uname -r" on the command prompt.
[07:39] <killermach> dthacker, did that answer your question? I"m not sure what desktop tools is
[07:39] <vistakiller> install ntfs-3g
[07:39] <dthacker> killermach: yes, that's what I meant.  Does it run throught the network restart?
[07:39] <dario> uname -r
[07:40] <dario> 2.6.20-15-generic
[07:40] <killermach> dthacker, I've done sudo /etc/init.d/network retstart in console after changing.. and still get 223 and not 5 for ip
[07:40] <jrad> dari: aha, I use 2.6.20-16-generic
[07:40] <dthacker> well, there's always the old fashioned way....
[07:40] <jrad> dario: aha, I use 2.6.20-16-generic
[07:41] <killermach> dthacker, currently desktop tools shows eth0 192.168.1.223 Manual Enabled
[07:41] <dario> i don't think it is a matter of kernel version
[07:41] <jrad> i suggest to install the 2.6.20-16-generic kernel via adept manager
[07:41] <killermach> dthacker, on other systems I would just edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-eth0 and be done
[07:41] <jrad> dario: kernels contain drivers, and maybe the driver for NTFS partitions must be updated.
[07:42] <killermach> dthacker, I don't find the config files that show eth0 is static 192.168.1.223
[07:42] <dthacker> killermach, I'm not on a kubuntu systema atm, can you edit the config without disabling eth0
[07:42] <jrad> dario: the kernel version is a difference between the two systems which we use ...
[07:42] <dario> but yesterday it worked and today no
[07:43] <dthacker> killermach, let me shell in to my squid box
[07:43] <dario> this is a strange thing
[07:43] <jrad> dario: oh, thats strange then ...
[07:43] <killermach> sudo grep -r  192.168.1.223 /etc/* produces nothing
[07:43] <jrad> dario: did you change anything in ubuntu since yesterday?
[07:43] <killermach> dthacker, I can edit it without disabling it.. but that didn't work so I tried downing the network .. still no joy
[07:43] <dario> no
[07:44] <jrad> dario: if this is the case, then this is strange ..
[07:44] <jrad> dario: did you reboot ubuntu already?
[07:44] <killermach> on previous kubuntu installs I usually set the ip on the installation, but this one I didn't, and now I'm ready to have the right IP
[07:44] <dario> yes
[07:45] <jrad> dario: try this command: "sudo modprobe ntfs"
[07:45] <dthacker> killermach: if you can edit the text file, it's /etc/network/interfaces.   I'll pastebin mine in a sec
[07:45] <HomeRoey> jrad:  hey!!!! I got it working!!!!!!11
[07:45] <jrad> HomeRoey: how?
[07:45] <jrad> dario: and then "sudo lsmod | grep -i ntfs"
[07:45] <dario> nothing happens
[07:46] <killermach> cat /etc/network/interfaces shows auto eth0 \n iface eth0 inet static \n address 192.168.1.5 \n 255.255.255.0 \n gateway 192.168.1.1
[07:46] <HomeRoey> 1.  dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-glx-legacy; 2. 2007-07-28 13:41:26 status installed nvidia-glx 1:1.0.9631+2.6.20.5-16.
[07:46] <jrad> dario: does the lsmod command return "ntfs 107764  2", or something like that?
[07:46] <HomeRoey> jrad:  I'm not really sure actually
[07:46] <dario> ntfs                  107764  0
[07:46] <jrad> dario: this means that your ntfs driver has been loaded ...
[07:46] <dario> this is the output
[07:46] <HomeRoey> but the combination of the proprietary nvidia kernel driver, along with nvidia-glx (no -legacy or -new) made it work.
[07:47] <dthacker> kill
[07:47] <dthacker> killermach: http://pastebin.com/d23ed791e
[07:47] <jrad> HomeRoey: but you do not had the same problem like me: that the display of X is smaller than the monitor?
[07:47] <dthacker> killermach: then sudo ifdown eth0, sudo ifup eth0, sudo ifconfig---and see what ya get.
[07:48] <killermach> dthacker, http://pastebin.com/m59373d84
[07:48] <killermach> dthacker, ok.. trying now
[07:48] <jrad> dario: try "sudo modprobe -r ntfs" - this removes the driver for ntfs.
[07:49] <jrad> dario: and then again try "sudo modprobe ntfs"
[07:49] <killermach> nope sudo ifdown eth0 and sudo ifup eth0 still show 223 for ip in ifconfig
[07:50] <dario> and now?
[07:50] <killermach> dthacker, I'm at a point where I can reboot.. lemme try that, I'd like to know why it's broken but solved is better
[07:51] <dthacker> killermach: yeah, I think I've had this problem before, it's like ifup doesn't re-read interfaces....
[07:51] <killermach> dthacker, broken :)
[07:51] <killermach> dthacker, brb rebooting
[07:55] <killermach> dthacker, ok.. I have 192.168.1.5 after reboot.. that's horrible.. if I wanted to reboot for stuff, I can go back to windows
[07:55] <intelikey> anyone here use midnight commander ?
[07:55] <jrad> ifconfig? I prefer IPCONFIG :D
[07:55] <dthacker> killermach: file a bug on launchpad, please.
[07:56] <jhutchins> intelikey: Hey, were we discussing xorg.conf files last night?
[07:56] <dthacker> jrad is old skool
[07:56] <intelikey> jhutchins not me.
[07:56] <jrad> dthacker: I am just kidding, man :)
[07:56] <jhutchins> It was in response to c2's antics iirc.
[07:56] <dthacker> me too :D
[07:57] <jrad> dthacker: of course I do not like IPCONFIG.
[07:57] <intelikey> jhutchins i only came in "later"  about 07:00 gmt
[07:57] <jhutchins> killermach: You could try doing /etc/init.d/network restart, see if that re-reads it.
[07:57] <jrad> dthacker: because IPCONFIG can be executed with lower AND upper case ...
[07:58] <killermach> jhutchins, that's the first thing I tried when the GUI Apply button did not produce results
[07:58] <jhutchins> intelikey: I did compare the .conf files from a mandriva box and a kubuntu box, and the only significant differences are that Mandriva uses xfs and does not include the idiotic wacom support.
[07:58] <killermach> the GUI changes the /etc/network/interfaces file but never uses it to restart the network
[07:58] <jrad> dario: everything fine? I at least found out that we have different kernel versions ...
[07:58] <Louiegn> can someone help with wubi?
[07:59] <jhutchins> killermach: Only thing I can think of is that it has to do with loading the driver modules.  That must be where it's reading the cfg files.
[07:59] <intelikey> jhutchins yeah xorg is xorg pretty much accross the board
[07:59] <dthacker> killermach: glad we beat it into submission :) back into the dungeon to install Kubuntu for a friend...
[07:59] <dthacker> bbl
[07:59] <jhutchins> c2 had been saying that his setup worked great with Mandriva, so we were debating whether he could just copy the .conf file from mandriva - which suggestion he totally ignored.
[08:00] <killermach> dthacker, thanks for the input
[08:00] <jrad> dario: I would like to buy another beer and some fags at the tank station. I suggest that you repost your question, specifying your kernel version and that the behaviour does not always occurs.
[08:01] <intelikey> jhutchins yeah he could have,  and if he would have commented out xfs (the x font server) or installed it everything should have been fine.
[08:01] <jhutchins> Prob'ly.
[08:02] <Louiegn> I Installed Wubi fine but in the installer it says it couldn't get components from the cd , How do I fix it?
[08:02] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> !nvidia
[08:02] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:02] <killermach> jhutchins, I'm on lauchpad.net, then click Bugs.. right?
[08:02] <killermach> dthacker, , I'm on lauchpad.net, then click Bugs.. right?
[08:02] <jhutchins> killermach: Try it.
[08:02] <jhutchins> Louiegn: Have you enabled the online repositories?
[08:03] <Louiegn> how would I do that?
[08:03] <jhutchins> !repos | Louiegn
[08:03] <ubotu> Louiegn: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:03] <Louiegn> you do know I am using Wubi right
[08:03] <jhutchins> !info wubi
[08:03] <ubotu> Package wubi does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[08:04] <intelikey> isn't that the windows installer for ubuntu ?
[08:04] <jhutchins> Yeah, appears to install it on the windows partition.
[08:04] <Louiegn> It lets you Install Ubuntu Kubuntu etc on a Windows Machine without partisioning
[08:05] <intelikey> jhutchins in an image file
[08:05] <Louiegn> in a Virtual.disk file yes
[08:05] <jhutchins> Interestingly, I got two different responses for !repos from the bot, one in PM and the other to Louiegn
[08:06] <intelikey> i always install without partitioning anyway.   i don't use partitions.
[08:06] <jhutchins> Louiegn: From within ubuntu, you should be able to update the install from the on-line repositories.  It will probably prompt you to do so.
[08:06] <Louiegn> I want to keep Windows you see but have Kubuntu too
[08:06] <jhutchins> Louiegn: Most of us partition and dual-boot.
[08:06] <arthur> #ubuntu-fr
[08:06] <balint> hiho, i've a question: i've installed KDM Theme Manager, when i go: K-Menu -> System settings -> Appearance -> KDM Theme Manager, it says that i've to change to administrator mode, but there isn't any button which changes to super-user mode, how can i change the themes?
[08:07] <arthur> bonjour
[08:07] <jhutchins> balint: Try hiding your kicker bar.
[08:07] <Louiegn> well is it easy to partition from the installer
[08:07] <jhutchins> Louiegn: Yes, very, there's a GUI and everything.
[08:07] <balint> jhutchins: i've opened it in full window, so i should see the button if it would exist
[08:08] <Louiegn> is it as easy as the mac and boot camp partitioning
[08:08] <jhutchins> Louiegn: Always a good idea to back up your data, clean up unnecessary files, and possibly defrag the windows partition first.
[08:08] <balint> jhutchins: there is only 2 buttons: Defaults, and Apply, but they are disabled because i'm not root
[08:08] <intelikey> balint can you see all the window ?     move it up and streach it if needed
[08:08] <jhutchins> Louiegn: Yes.  Possibly easier - I don't know boot camp.
[08:09] <balint> intelikey: yep i see the full content of it
[08:09] <Louiegn> it has a bar with a Mac os part and a windows part and there is a slider
[08:09] <balint> intelikey: so it isn't hiding ;) simply it doesn't exist :(
[08:09] <jhutchins> balint: There are some windows that extend 'below' the kicker bar.  You can hide the kicker bar to see if there's anything there.
[08:10] <jhutchins> balint: You can also launch the them manager if you know the actual name of the program by doing kdesu <program> from Alt-F2 - this will give you admin mode from the start.
[08:10] <intelikey> jhutchins and balint you can alt+left-mouse drag the window up some
[08:10] <balint> jhutchins, intelikey: Font installer -> there is root mode, but KDE Theme Manager -> no root mode :S
[08:11] <Louiegn> on the mac it has a slider with windows and mac is the Kubuntu partitioning that easy?
[08:11] <intelikey> balint ok what version ?   feisty ?
[08:11] <balint> yep
[08:11] <balint> the latest (k)ubuntu
[08:12] <balint> jhutchins: kdesu kdmtheme --> nothing happened
[08:13] <intelikey> bunning beryl i assume
[08:13] <balint> jhutchins: kdesu systemsettings --> nothing happened too :(
[08:13] <Louiegn> can someone piont me to a screenshot webpage that shows the partitioning process?
[08:13] <balint> intelikey: no beryl
[08:13] <intelikey> it's not systemsettings   try kcontrol
[08:13] <balint> intelikey: i cant run beryl because i'm using ati card so no composite ;)
[08:13] <balint> intelikey: i try, mom
[08:14] <balint> intelikey: sudo systemsettings, sudo kcontrol are working
[08:14] <balint> intelikey: kdesu -> not :S
[08:14] <intelikey> not sudo.....
[08:15] <intelikey> yeah kdesu
[08:15] <balint> intelikey: btw, with sudo it's working
[08:15] <balint> intelikey: kdesu isn't doing anything @ me :(
[08:15] <balint> intelikey: what is the difference?
[08:15] <intelikey> balint then kdesu is hosed somehow  but you WILL hose perms playing with kcontrol via sudo
[08:16] <balint> intelikey: what means HOSE ? :)
[08:16] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> balint: Hose = screw it up
[08:16] <Daisuke_Ido> balint: messed up
[08:16] <balint> i see... and how can i fix the kdesu?
[08:17] <intelikey> that's a good question.     actual meaning is not really G rated so i'll dispense with using that phrase.
[08:17] <intelikey> balint ummm    rm ~/.su*     and try it again
[08:18] <HomeRoey> hi
[08:18] <HomeRoey> I've just installed Kubuntu, and my mouse wheel now only responds if I am directly on the scrollbar widget.  What's up with this??
[08:19] <HomeRoey> what?
[08:19] <intelikey> else how would it scroll both axii
[08:19] <balint> intelikey: still no answer.
[08:19] <HomeRoey> the mouse scroll wheel shoudl scroll when you're over the main text area, too.
[08:19] <HomeRoey> hey bob__, ech ha chayim
[08:20] <HomeRoey>  
[08:20] <HomeRoey> ok, hebrew fonts work still.
[08:20] <HomeRoey> good.
[08:20] <intelikey> balint hmm ok     open a konsole and issue this command:  kdesu echo yes
[08:21] <dzero> hey
[08:21] <dzero> one question
[08:21] <intelikey> balint any text ?
[08:21] <balint> intelikey: still no answer ;) :D i guess i should see "yes", but nothing, when i press ENTER, it makes a new line (no bash, only if ctrl+c)
[08:21] <dzero> http://www.zimmertech.com/images/kubuntu_full.jpg
[08:21] <dzero> chek this image
[08:22] <dzero> i want to have the same it got in the top right on the bottom
[08:22] <dzero> that say "procesor, ram swap"
[08:22] <dzero> and those things where can i get it?
[08:22] <intelikey> balint well no error means no error   but it seems to think you are not in the admin group balint have you played with users and groups sense you logged in ?
[08:23] <jrad> HomeRoey: I can read the Hebrew (?!) characters. Ubuntu works ;)
[08:23] <balint> i guess, i set up the permissions of external disk
[08:23] <dzero> ...
[08:23] <balint> intelikey: should i reboot?
[08:23] <intelikey> balint no just logout/in
[08:23] <balint> okay
[08:24] <balint> intelikey: brb
[08:24] <intelikey> k
[08:24] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> dzero: Those look like SuperKaramba widgets.
[08:24] <jrad> as we germans say: ein reboot tut immer gut ;)
[08:24] <luchi> dalla
[08:24] <dzero> where can i get the?
[08:24] <dzero> them=
[08:24] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> jrad: Translation?
[08:24] <jrad> WhtWolfTeraDyne: "A reboot is always good" ;)
[08:25] <balint> back
[08:25] <balint> checking...
[08:25] <intelikey> jrad do "we germans" use M$ windows ???  :)
[08:25] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> dzero: KDE-Look.org will probably have the widgets. As for SuperKaramba, you can get it with "sudo apt-get install superkaramba" or through Adept.
[08:25] <jrad> WhtWolfTeraDyne: but a reboot is always fine for Windows, but not necessarily for linux ;)
[08:25] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> jrad: true.
[08:25] <dzero> k thx
[08:25] <balint> intelikey: yuppi it's working ;)
[08:25] <intelikey> balint you're welcome
[08:26] <balint> intelikey: ty
[08:26] <jrad> intelikey: yes, formely, currently I have three installs: a) kubuntu, b) linux from scratch, c) windows-
[08:26] <balint> intelikey: just one question
[08:26] <intelikey> balint yes
[08:26] <balint> intelikey: what do KDESU exactly do?
[08:26] <jrad> intelikey: c) is always the "last option" to use ...
[08:27] <intelikey> balint in a console issue    man sudo       kdesu is the graphic equlivant   more or less
[08:27] <balint> intelikey: i see, and why is that problem, if i use sudo @ gui-programs
[08:28] <balint> intelikey: sudo can steal the resources and can be frozen?
[08:28] <intelikey> jrad (:   yeah i just asked because with linux there are two reasons to reboot.  switch kernels and switch kernels  :)
[08:28] <HomeRoey> jrad:  hehe
[08:28] <jrad> another question: i installed the jre 6 packages, and when i try to enter a java based chat room provided by a web site, then java is not loaded. I set the JAVA_HOME and JRE_HOME environment variable, but nothing changes: the java applet is not loaded when I try to access that chat room.
[08:29] <HomeRoey> jrad:  does your middle mouse/scroll button work?
[08:29] <HomeRoey> my scroll wheel only works when I'm right above the scrollbar
[08:29] <dzero> one question how i leave the X desktop?
[08:29] <dzero> i need to do it to install the nvidia drivers
[08:29] <jrad> HomeRoey: yes!
[08:29] <intelikey> balint because sudo doesn't set the path for the root user and you save configs in your home thus root owns files in your home that you as a normal user can't access    i.e. premissions issues    kdesu is made speciffically for the kde env   thus that was factored in
[08:30] <jrad> @all: I think nvidia drivers related issues are a big thing here. very many requests here ...
[08:30] <intelikey> s/set the path /set the env /
[08:30] <buzz_> 
[08:30] <jrad> dzero: you mean how to stop X running?
[08:30] <dzero> amm yeah
[08:31] <dzero> to go to like "ms dos"
[08:31] <balint> intelikey: i see, ty, man can learn everyday ;) cya, maybe i'll back for other questions ;)
[08:31] <dzero> i need to do that to install the nvidia drivers
[08:31] <intelikey> dzero sudo /etc/init.d/?dm stop
[08:31] <jrad> dzero: if yes, then CTRL+F1, then log in, then "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop" - for kde.
[08:31] <dzero> ok
[08:31] <dzero> i will try it later =P
[08:32] <dzero> now i am downloading
[08:32] <intelikey> balint good on ya then
[08:32] <jrad> dzero: if you have feisty, then: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_nvidia_feisty#NOTES_SECTION
[08:33] <Scunizi> For anyone using kdenlive or LiVes or other video editor that outputs in mpg, What do you use to create a dvd that is playable in a stand-a-lone dvd player?
[08:34] <jrad> dzero: sorry: if you have feisty, then: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_nvidia_feisty
[08:35] <jrad> HomeRoey: shall I tell you my mouse settings? Just a moment ...
[08:35] <stoned> is there a way to block a certain application from having access to the networking?
[08:36] <balint> i'm back ;) how can i restart KDE? i've to restart the X or is there any command for only kde-restarting?
[08:36] <sstchur> Can anyone recommend an ftp client for linux?  Doesn't necessarily have to be graphical, but I haven't really found anything I like yet (graphical or not)
[08:36] <jrad> HomeRoey: go to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=499910 (I created this thread), then look for "Identifier "Configured Mouse""
[08:37] <intelikey> stoned still looking for that ?
[08:38] <intelikey> stoned may i sujest asking in #iptables   channel
[08:38] <intelikey> stoned or even in ##linux
[08:38] <balint> intelikey: i'm back ;) how can i restart KDE? i've to restart the X or is there any command for only kde-restarting?
[08:38] <balint> intelikey: ctrl+alt+backspace? or is any other procedure?
[08:39] <intelikey> balint restarting kde will restart xorg too   so yeah logout/in and/or ctrl+alt+backspace
[08:39] <jrad> balint: "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start" or "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start"
[08:39] <intelikey> jrad you mean "restart"
[08:39] <balint> jrad, intelikey: ty, then ctrl+alt+backyspacey
[08:40] <jrad> intelikey: oh, if was not shut down, then yes ...
[08:40] <jrad> balint: yes, I know that shortcut ;)
[08:40] <stoned> i know some shortcuts too
[08:41] <stoned> did you know about alt + tab?
[08:41] <stoned> its cool man, you can like change your windows and stuff
[08:41] <intelikey> :)
[08:42] <stoned> man im out of the greenery
[08:42] <balint> i'm curious: for fun, i've downloaded a Mac-looklike theme, i've installed to kdm theme manager, but it changed only the login screen to mac-looklike. shouldn't change the stlye of windows  to mac-looklike? :S
[08:42] <stoned> hey man
[08:42] <stoned> that was probbly just the stuff
[08:43] <stoned> aptitude install kwin-baghira
[08:43] <stoned> thats what you want alongside the splash theme you downloaded
[08:43] <balint> stoned: are u talking to me? because i dont understand ;) what should i do? :
[08:43] <balint> stoned: are u talking to me? because i dont understand ;) what should i do? :)
[08:43] <winbond> is konsole a shell?
[08:44] <Dragnslcr> winbond- yup
[08:44] <intelikey> winbond no    konsole is a psudo treminal in which a shell will run
[08:44] <stoned> I was talking to the invisible chicken in my pocket
[08:44] <arun> man, i love the new version of flock. it's really improved since the last time i used it around a year ago... much smoother browsing experience than firefox or any other browser i've used
[08:45] <stoned> flock?
[08:45] <intelikey> bash dash kcsh csh ksh and tcsh
[08:45] <stoned> zsh
[08:45] <stoned> 'nuff said
[08:45] <winbond> intelikey: so i need to execute shells in the konsole
[08:45] <Dragnslcr> Well, if someone is asking if Konsole is a shell, they probably don't care about the details of what shells really are
[08:45] <Dragnslcr> winbond- as far as you're concerned, Konsole gives you a shell
[08:45] <balint> stoned, so kde themes are only for login screen?
[08:45] <any_key> another question (not ubuntu-related): in my other linux installation I use "dhclient" to get a connection via my router to the internet. since some days I do not get any tcp and udp connection(s) to the internet. I checked the settings, everything okay, but "dhclient receive_packet failed on eth0: network is down". any suggestions?
[08:45] <intelikey> winbond when you open a konsole it will start a shell,  "namely your login shell"
[08:45] <stoned> balint: no
[08:46] <stoned> balint: you probably just got the splash bs
[08:46] <stoned> balint: the best mac lookalike theme is kwin-baghira
[08:46] <stoned> just install the package, go to kcontrol and styles and decorations
[08:46] <stoned> change those two
[08:46] <stoned> color scheme too if you want
[08:46] <winbond> intelikey: i have a fish shell that i want to install and use, but do i replace the konsole with the fish or do i run the fish inside the console?
[08:46] <balint> stoned: http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=40 are these splash screens?
[08:46] <stoned> balint: can you read
[08:47] <intelikey> winbond run inside
[08:47] <stoned> those are KDM themes
[08:47] <stoned> not kde themes
[08:47] <stoned> kdm is like k de
[08:47] <stoned> only its not
[08:47] <balint> stoned: lol, i see :D and what is KDM theme? :)
[08:47] <stoned> e=mc^2 but e!=m
[08:47] <intelikey> kdm is the login manager   kde is the desktop environment
[08:47] <Dragnslcr> winbond- if you want to change the default shell that you use, you can set it in the User Manager
[08:47] <stoned> kdm is the stuff that does stuff when you do stuff
[08:47] <stoned> see
[08:48] <any_key> balim: KDM is the manager which is displayed during login, the login screen.
[08:48] <balint> stoned: i see, i see, then sorry for being noob :)
[08:48] <stoned> sudo nano /etc/passwd and modify your login shell from /bin/bash to /bin/whatever here
[08:48] <balint> ok, then how can i download a KDE theme manager?
[08:48] <stoned> balint: you want mac lookalike?
[08:48] <winbond> Dragnslcr: ok, ty
[08:48] <stoned> i told you twice already how to do this
[08:49] <winbond> intelikey: ty
[08:49] <Dragnslcr> winbond- in your user settings, you'll see something like /bin/bash for your shell. You can change that to another shell if you want
[08:49] <any_key> stoned: "kdm is the stuff that does stuff when you do stuff" - you are a very modern poet ...
[08:49] <intelikey> stoned dangerous,  better to use the konsole settings to select what command to use as a shell in konsole
[08:49] <LeeJunFan> or user usermod -s [shell]  [username] 
[08:49] <balint> stoned: nope, i'm just testing and searching... i would like a big list of themes ;)
[08:49] <stoned> intelikey: well, i login to my console
[08:49] <balint> stoned: now i'm browsing on kde-look.org
[08:49] <stoned> I have 3 Xservers running
[08:49] <stoned> 2 imported over xdmcp /ss and one local
[08:49] <LeeJunFan> you are stoned.
[08:50] <intelikey> stoned i login to console and normally stay there
[08:50] <stoned> i don't login to kde
[08:50] <stoned> intelikey: aren't you leet! :D
[08:50] <stoned> when i start amarok it starts two copies
[08:50] <any_key> I need a patch for my Polish girl friend.
[08:50] <stoned> how can i stop amarok from makig two instances
[08:51] <stoned> and only have one
[08:51] <LeeJunFan> that's so it can play stereo :)
[08:51] <any_key> sorry, Polish email girl friend ;)
[08:51] <intelikey> stoned still telling someone to exit dirrectly the /etc/passwd file is a bit dangerous    if they break the only accound that they can access root with what will you tell them?  "reload? "
[08:51] <dzero> another question
[08:51] <intelikey> s/exit/edit/
[08:51] <dzero> how can i delete a directory?
[08:51] <dzero> by the console
[08:51] <LeeJunFan> dzero: rm -rf [dir] 
[08:51] <intelikey> dzero rm -r
[08:51] <intelikey> dzero rmdir if empty
[08:52] <dzero> thanks =)
[08:52] <stoned> man rm
[08:52] <stoned> man man
[08:52] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> touch man
[08:52] <stoned> sudo aptitude install funny-manpages && man condom
[08:52] <any_key> stoned: ;)
[08:52] <stoned> hehe
[08:53] <stoned> condom - protection against viruses and prevention of child processes
[08:53] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> XD
[08:54] <stoned>        baby -sex [m|f]  [-name name] 
[08:54] <stoned>        baby  create new process from two parents
[08:54] <stoned> i love these funny manpages man
[08:54] <stoned> man flame is good
[08:54] <frankenstein_use> stoned: man fortune => search for the -o option
[08:55] <balint> is deKorator good? should i install?
[08:55] <stoned> man I tell you
[08:55] <stoned> the new Fear Factory cd is amazing
[08:55] <stoned> I'm addicted to it
[08:55] <frankenstein_use> stoned: I listen to chronix radio.
[08:55] <Novell> stoned: they have released a new one ?
[08:55] <stoned> dunno what it is
[08:56] <stoned> I am talking about new to me
[08:56] <stoned> Transgression
[08:56] <frankenstein_use> stoned: www.chronixradio.com is quite a good metal radio station on the internet.
[08:56] <stoned> Fear Factory - Transgression - Empty Vision
[08:56] <stoned> see
[08:56] <stoned> sorry spam
[08:56] <Novell> ah, that one
[08:56] <navets> I need a good text to speech program
[08:57] <navets> does anyone know of any?
[08:57] <frankenstein_use> stoned they have three stations.
[08:57] <stoned> I listen to no radio
[08:57] <neptunepink> navets: festival; but that depends on your definition of good, I guess.
[08:57] <stoned> I have particular tastes in metal
[08:57] <stoned> in fact
[08:57] <stoned> we can talk aall about it
[08:57] <stoned> #music
[08:57] <stoned> pleas
[08:57] <frankenstein_use> stoned: yes like me ...
[08:57] <stoned> word
[08:57] <frankenstein_use> nick meshuggah
[08:57] <navets> neptunepink: can i just sudo apt-get it?
[08:57] <neptunepink> I think so
[08:57] <stoned> go to stuff in #music stuff
[08:58] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> !info festival
[08:58] <ubotu> festival: general multi-lingual speech synthesis system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.3-17.2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 711 kB, installed size 2120 kB
[08:58] <stoned> mandude
[08:58] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> navets: yup, you can
[08:58] <Novell> stoned: imo, Archetype is better CD
[08:58] <frankenstein_use> stoned: man metal?
[08:58] <stoned> people get pissed of here over OT
[08:58] <stoned> just go to #music to talk man lest you bet told off
[08:58] <navets> WhtWolfTeraDyne thanks, I tried KTTsmgr but it doesnt come with any voices
[08:58] <stoned> get*
[08:58] <frankenstein_use> stoned: OK, I keep my mouth shut.
[08:59] <stoned> but i wanna talk about music goddamit
[08:59] <stoned> just go there man
[08:59] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> navets: you need to install a voice engine. Festival is one.
[08:59] <frankenstein_use> stoned: then go to #music ;)
[08:59] <stoned> im there
[08:59] <navets> WhtWolfTeraDyne: ok i see, thanks.
[08:59] <stoned> but i wanna talk to YOU about music
[08:59] <stoned> whats the big deal?
[08:59] <frankenstein_use> stoned: just a moment, I will go there, too.
[08:59] <stoned> ok
[09:00] <stoned> now I don't feel like it anymore
[09:00] <stoned> you're a strange one
[09:00] <intelikey> !language
[09:00] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:00] <intelikey> !offtopic
[09:00] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:00] <stoned> intelikey: god is known for damning stuff.  I'm family friendly.
[09:01] <intelikey> still offtopic
[09:01] <stoned> which is precisely why I wanted to discuss it elsewhere
[09:01] <stoned> you wanna beat the horse what let it go?
[09:01] <stoned> s/what/or
[09:02] <intelikey> stoned i was banned once for what you are now doing :)
[09:02] <stoned> what am I doing?
[09:02] <intelikey> having the last word when reproved
[09:03] <intelikey> :)
[09:03] <stoned> I am not responsible for your perception.
[09:03] <intelikey> :)
[09:04] <stoned> thanks for looking out for me though, despite me not doing what you think I'm doing :)
[09:04] <balint> i've downloaded KGmailNotifier, and it's a program written in python, it works great, but i would like to make a desktop icon
[09:04] <balint> how can i change the icon from gears to a png file?
[09:06] <balint> no answer? :(
[09:07] <intelikey> balint if right click doesn't let you get there, i'm at a loss
[09:07] <balint> intelikey: right click -> properties -> here i can't change the icon only i can see it
[09:08] <pauljw> click on the icon there
[09:08] <intelikey> balint ^
[09:08] <balint> intelikey: i can't see it either sorry ;)
[09:08] <intelikey> :)
[09:08] <balint> intelikey: so where can i change the icon? :)
[09:09] <intelikey> idk,  should i install kde and KGmailNotifier so i can help you hunt ?
[09:09] <pauljw> lol
[09:09] <balint> intelikey: oh... srry, i've to click the big image of the icon :)
[09:09] <balint> intelikey: now i can browsing from icons :D
[09:10] <intelikey> :)
[09:10] <balint> sorry... ;)
[09:10] <intelikey> balint not a problem
[09:11] <intelikey> clem you comming or going ?
[09:11] <labrat265> does anyone on here know how to get k3b to use ISO BIN and CUE files?
[09:11] <labrat265> medibuntu didn't work for me
[09:11] <stoned> what do you mean use?
[09:12] <stoned> ubotu wayttd is what are you trying to do?
[09:12] <labrat265> when i open one, it says 'could not open document'
[09:12] <stoned> what do you want to do with the friggin iso man
[09:12] <stoned> burn it?
[09:13] <labrat265> yeah, burn it
[09:13] <stoned> ok hold on
[09:13] <stoned> gto to menu > tools > burn new cd image
[09:13] <stoned> burn cd image
[09:13] <stoned> whatever
[09:14] <onechard> labrat click on the cue file
[09:14] <tom__> hi all, has anyone tried opensolaris?
[09:14] <labrat265> onechard:  it gives me the same message
[09:14] <onechard> odd works here hold on
[09:16] <labrat265> stoned:  it says 'Seems not to be a usable image'  I know it is though, because I've burned this same image in windows
[09:16] <stoned> are you sure its an image format that k3b can handle
[09:16] <stoned> not a daa file renamed as iso or something?
[09:17] <intelikey> stoned he said it's bin and cue files
[09:17] <stoned> he did?
[09:17] <stoned> ok
[09:17] <stoned> well i dunno then
[09:17] <stoned> it should work, works here
[09:17] <labrat265> all three actually.  the file that has most recently given me this issue is in fact an iso9660 file
[09:17] <Bsims_> Ok What gives knetwork manager scans and It drops my connection ever few minutes I am using a wired connection
[09:18] <intelikey> !worksforme | ! helpful
[09:18] <ubotu> ! helpful: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[09:18] <Bsims_> Started after I did a full update today.... this is really getting annoying
[09:19] <HomeRoey> hmm
[09:19] <HomeRoey> I've just installed Kubuntu and found that my scroll wheel only works when I'm right above the scrollbar.. what's with that?  How can I fix it?
[09:20] <intelikey> HomeRoey that will be app specific i think   go into the menu of the app and configure it
[09:20] <Bsims_> Hrm all the log shows is taht it restarted my network connection... how the merry heck do I tell it to leave it alone?
[09:21] <labrat265> i really do not want to have to use windows to burn everything
[09:21] <labrat265> its a matter of pride, well...  pride and funtionality
[09:21] <intelikey> labrat265 there is an app to merge the bin and cue into an iso    i just can't find it.
[09:21] <chord_destroyer> my dhclient does not work properly anymore: no tcp and udp connection to the internet in my other linx installation, what to do?
[09:22] <intelikey> labrat265 maybe a quick web search will help
[09:23] <labrat265> intelikey:  if I could do that with an app, it still would not help.  k3b is giving me the same issue with iso images
[09:24] <labrat265> i've googled and searched the forums.
[09:24] <intelikey> can't burn an iso... ?        that's a config problem   (assuming you have a burner)
[09:25] <intelikey> you haven't got k3b setup propperly
[09:25] <chord_destroyer> intelikey: setup of k3b with the root account?
[09:25] <intelikey> also hald and udev can make havoc of those things if the device has changed from sd? to hd?
[09:26] <intelikey> i.e. kernel change and so forth
[09:26] <intelikey> i have to went.  back when.
[09:27] <labrat265> I have just installed my operating system, and added the medibuntu stuff.
[09:33] <manu_> hi
[09:39] <Bsims_> Ok so far after telling it not to use dchp I havn't had the eth0 decide to restart itself
[09:40] <dick-richardson> anyone here familiar with cpu soft lockup issues
[09:43] <marcus> excuse please can anybody know how useable is the tribe 3 alpha?
[09:54] <balint> question: where can i add a command to start-up programs?
[09:55] <robotgeek>  balint: there are 2 ways to do this
[09:56] <balint> robotgeek, yep, tell me pls
[09:56] <Roey> I've installed Kubuntu here;  Why does my scrollwheel only work when I hover over the scrollbar itself?  Can I fix this?
[09:56] <robotgeek> the easiest way, in my opinion is to enable saving sessions and launch all your programs, and then save session.
[09:56] <robotgeek> if you do this, all programs that you have will launch everytime you boot up
[09:56] <balint> robotgeek, how can i save session?
[09:57] <robotgeek> balint: are you on Feisty?
[09:57] <balint> robotgeek, yep
[09:58] <robotgeek> balint: okay, the procedure is outlined in the Help file.
[09:58] <robotgeek> K-Menu -> Help -< Kubuntu System Documentation Index -> Desktop Configuration
[09:59] <Agent_137> my max resolution is 1025x768 with a geforce7800. seems kinda low. is there anyway to increase resolution? I'm using the nv graphics driver
[09:59] <balint> robotgeek, oki, i'm browsing it, i'll be back
[09:59] <Daisuke_Ido> Agent_137: you just answered your own question
[10:00] <Agent_137> so the answer is "No"?
[10:00] <Daisuke_Ido> your best bet for higher supported resolutions and expecially if you want to do anything involving 3d is to use the nvidia driver rather than nv
[10:01] <Dragnslcr> Agent_137- depends on your monitor
[10:01] <Daisuke_Ido> especially*
[10:01] <balint> robotgeek, ty, i've set up, now i have Session Save button in my K-menu ;)
[10:01] <Dragnslcr> LCD monitors aren't known for handling resolutions above their native
[10:01] <robotgeek> balint: cool!
[10:02] <Daisuke_Ido> Dragnslcr: i can't think of very many lcd monitors made within the past few years that did less than 1280x1024
[10:02] <Dragnslcr> Laptop maybe?
[10:02] <balint> robotgeek, ty
[10:02] <Dragnslcr> I dunno what 13-14" laptop monitors have for resolution
[10:02] <Daisuke_Ido> even then you're looking at 1280x800
[10:02] <Dragnslcr> All I know is that my 20" LCD is 1600x1200 native
[10:03] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah
[10:03] <Dragnslcr> And that's all I care about
[10:03] <Agent_137> i have a 17 inch or so lcd so i should be able to do more than 1024
[10:03] <Agent_137> i get way more in windows
[10:03] <Daisuke_Ido> my 19 is 1280x1024 native :(  but my laptop's going to be 1920x1200 native :D
[10:03] <Agent_137> im going to restart the x server and see what happens, i changed drivers
[10:03] <Daisuke_Ido> Agent_137: you're going to need a driver install
[10:03] <Dragnslcr> Damn, is that even a laptop anymore?
[10:03] <Daisuke_Ido> !nvidia
[10:03] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:04] <Daisuke_Ido> Dragnslcr: barely
[10:04] <fdoving> Dragnslcr: 12-14" usually stop at 1024, sometimes 1400x900 if they are wide.
[10:04] <Daisuke_Ido> it's certainly not a notebook
[10:04] <Daisuke_Ido> 17"
[10:04] <pop_song> again, nvidia driver related isues ...
[10:04] <Dragnslcr> Heh, I dunno if I'd able to see anything at 1920x1200 on a 17" screen
[10:04] <Daisuke_Ido> pop_song: no, just didn't have the driver installed
[10:04] <pop_song> OK ;)
[10:04] <Daisuke_Ido> that's not a driver-related issue, that's a lack-of-driver issue :)
[10:04] <Dragnslcr> Er, I'd be able
[10:05] <Dragnslcr> Well it's still driver related
[10:05] <Dragnslcr> Sorta
[10:05] <pop_song> Daisuke_Ido: "pop_song" is a stupid nick, i have to change it, but i cannot find a good one. any suggestions for a better nick name?
[10:07] <pop_song> Daisuke_Ido: are you from Japan?
[10:08] <Daisuke_Ido> no, i'm not, but i am a big fan of battle angel alita, so...
[10:13] <Daisuke_Ido> Dragnslcr: your comment about sheer small size has me thinking...  how well does kde do with dpi changes?
[10:13] <dzero> another question...
[10:13] <Agent_137> so which nvdia package do i need? legacy, regular, or new? i have a geforce 7900 and all that help page talks about are drvier numbers that don't coresspond to card numbers
[10:13] <dzero> how do i install a .bin file?
[10:13] <Roey> hi
[10:13] <Roey> anyone here?
[10:13] <Daisuke_Ido> Agent_137: legacy is for the fx series and older, afaik
[10:14] <Daisuke_Ido> regular is for the 6 and 7
[10:14] <Daisuke_Ido> and new is for the 8xxx series
[10:14] <dzero> amm..
[10:14] <dzero> how to install a .bin file =/?
[10:14] <Agent_137> thank you ido
[10:14] <kuwanger> I have a strange problem, that just went away. :/
[10:15] <Roey> Since installing Kubuntu this morning I found that my mouse wheel only scrolls when the pointer hovers on the scrollbar itself.  Any ideas on how to fix it?
[10:15] <kuwanger> In the upper left corner of the screen, garbage was being displayed on the screen in a square about 64x64 big.  Taking snapshots of the screen wouldn't show it, which makes me think it was some sort of video-card dependent overlay.
[10:15] <Dragnslcr> Daisuke_Ido- not a clue
[10:16] <kuwanger> I logged in and out a few times, to see if it'd have any effect, but it didn't.  Opening xchat, though, seems to have magically cleared it up.
[10:16] <Dragnslcr> dzero- usually by running it
[10:17] <wewek> hello
[10:17] <kuwanger> Given that mplayer will sometimes cause the X server to crash/reset, I can only imagine that it's a problem with the driver for my card. :/
[10:19] <dzero> Dragnslcr i cant run it.. if i do that kate open it =/
[10:19] <Agent_137> cry. now my video driver is still just "nv" and my max resolution is 640x480.
[10:20] <dzero> lol
[10:21] <Agent_137> switching driver from "standard" to "proprietary and restarting xserver
[10:21] <dzero> any know how to install a .bin file =/?
[10:21] <underdog5004> dzero, You don't. You just run it.
[10:21] <dzero> wanna see?
[10:21] <underdog5004> dzero, sure
[10:21] <dzero> ok i will take a screen
[10:21] <underdog5004> is it a windows binary?
[10:21] <dzero> amm.. i dunno
[10:22] <dzero> but i dont think
[10:22] <Agent_137> and that did nothing.
[10:23] <dunno> dzero: change into the dir where the bin file is, then "sudo ./<name of the bin file>
[10:24] <dzero> let me see
[10:24] <dzero> dzero@linux:/media/cdrom/netbeans-5_5$ sudo ./netbeans-5_5-linux.bin
[10:24] <dzero> Password:
[10:24] <dzero> sudo: unable to execute ./netbeans-5_5-linux.bin: Permission denied
[10:24] <dzero> =/
[10:24] <underdog5004> whoa...
[10:25] <boris_> i need help
[10:25] <underdog5004> sudo ./netbeans.bin didn't work?
[10:25] <underdog5004> boris_, what's the problem?
[10:25] <boris_> what thet means when terminal says
[10:25] <dzero> let me see
[10:25] <boris_> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[10:25] <boris_> when i start stage
[10:25] <underdog5004> boris_, I think it's bad
[10:25] <robotgeek> dzero: did you chmod +x <file>
[10:25] <dunno> dzero: then change the ownership of that file "sudo chown root.root <name of the file"
[10:25] <boris_> yea
[10:25] <boris_> :)
[10:26] <dzero> O_O? w8w8
[10:26] <boris_> no
[10:26] <dzero> i didnt understand
[10:26] <boris_> :(
[10:26] <dzero> i will copy it to the hard disk
[10:26] <dzero> it is in the cd =P
[10:26] <boris_> can i fix it
[10:26] <underdog5004> boris_, ha ha, that's way over my head, sorry!
[10:26] <boris_> okidoki
[10:27] <boris_> i will ask the cor keepr
[10:27] <boris_> :)
[10:27] <boris_> i am installing the stage
[10:28] <boris_> amd on the end
[10:28] <boris_> it says to me the
[10:28] <boris_> core dumpt
[10:29] <kuwanger> Btw, does anyone here know where there's a mach64 manual page?
[10:29] <boris_> two days of shit
[10:30] <dzero> thx
[10:30] <dzero> i copied the file to my home directory
[10:30] <dzero> and then "chmod +x netbeans-5_5-linux.bin
[10:30] <dzero> "
[10:30] <boris_> but is suterday night and i am going out :)
[10:30] <dzero> then "./netbeans-5_5-linux.bin"
[10:31] <dzero> =)
[10:31] <robotgeek> dzero: also try chmod a+x, maybe that might cause an issue.
[10:34] <xMoth> !de
[10:34] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:34] <Bsims_> Ok I got a wierd bug, ktorrent makes my eth0 restart fairly frequently
[10:37] <amnesiac> hai cyberfreaks  ......
[10:38] <Minataku> TRIVIA: Did you know that the so-called "Nintendo Ultra 64" arcade system which featured, among other games later made for the real Nintendo 64, was actually the Midway V Unit hardware, based on a completely unrelated processor ( Texas Instruments TMS32031 ) to the one used in the Nintendo 64 ( MIPS Technologies R4400i )?
[10:38] <Minataku> Today's bit of trivia is brought to you by... BOREDOM! No matter where you are, if you have nothing constructive to do, you've got BOREDOM! Available in many fine locations where there is nothing to do.
[10:39] <amnesiac> lol minataku
[10:40] <Biovore> TMS32031 is actualy a DSP.. not a normal processor..
[10:40] <amnesiac> in a place of boredom hackers are born
[10:41] <Minataku> There was also the Midway Wolf Unit hardware, based on the Texas Instruments TMS34010, which also had a number of Nintendo 64 games
[10:41] <Minataku> Biovore: It was nonetheless the main CPU for the hardware
[10:41] <Biovore> yup
[10:41] <amnesiac> the TMS3.... is used in warfare simulators ..
[10:42] <Minataku> There was also much later on the Midway Seattle hardware, using a MIPS Technologies R5000
[10:42] <Minataku> Which was closer to the Nintendo 64
[10:43] <Biovore> hmmm MIPS R5000 same kinda stuff that in a SGI work station..
[10:43] <Biovore> well on series anyway
[10:43] <Biovore> (one)
[10:46] <Roey> hi again
[10:46] <gdholding> hallo leute
[10:47] <Roey> what's this about:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/94597
[10:47] <gdholding> ich htt da ein problem
[10:47] <Roey> I seem to have it.
[10:47] <Minataku> Biovore: All old SGI machines used MIPS
[10:47] <Roey> "You have a Logitech Mouse connected, and libusb was found at compile time, but it was not possible to access this mouse.  This is probably caused by a permissions problem - you should consult the manual on how to fix this"
[10:47] <Minataku> The architecture was CREATED there
[10:47] <Roey> How do I fix it?
[10:47] <Ace_658198915> Hi all
[10:48] <Ace_658198915> how do you copy an entire partition from one drive to another, making sure to keep everything intact
[10:48] <Ace_658198915> ???
[10:48] <gdholding> kann mir jemand den kubuntu-supportchannel nennen??
[10:48] <amnesiac> hi ace
[10:48] <Ace_658198915> hi amnesiac
[10:49] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Roey: If there isn't a fix on the launchpad bug report, there probably isn't anyone here that would know how to fix it.
[10:49] <amnesiac> whats up ace
[10:49] <amnesiac> ??
[10:50] <Ace_658198915> added a new hard drive, i want to copy over my root partition from /dev/hda4 to /dev/md0 the new root needs to be on in a raid0 array
[10:50] <StoneNewt> anyone here have problems with kde not loading everything in the ~/.kde/Autostart directory every time they log in?
[10:51] <Ace_658198915> stoned, that happened to me sometimes after the update to 3.5.7 and everything always loads on the first run but on the second beryl does not start, no idea why, i have to run it myself from Alt+F2
[10:51] <amnesiac> i dont know anything about raid arrays maybe when ubotu is online he knows mutch
[10:52] <StoneNewt> Ace_658198915: usually I have to log in 2ce to get some things to run at log in
[10:52] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> amnesiac: ubotu is online.
[10:52] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> !raid
[10:52] <ubotu> Raid and LVM --> very easy guide for alternate CD : http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.html Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[10:53] <Roey> PriceChild:  hi
[10:53] <Roey> better yet, here
[10:53] <Ace_658198915> yea i setup the raid between sda and sdb, and the old partition is on hda4
[10:53] <Roey> WhtWolfTeraDyne:  ok
[10:53] <amnesiac> i knew it ...ubotu is a 3lit3 linux master hahahahahaha
[10:53] <Roey> WhtWolfTeraDyne:  how about other problems:
[10:54] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> !botsnack
[10:54] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[10:54] <Biovore> hehe
[10:54] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Roey: Other problems?
[10:55] <Roey> WhtWolfTeraDyne:  (1) My dell 2405FPW monitor's resolution is not detected correctly.  It /should/ be set to 1920x1200, but the X resolution detector comes broken and sets it to 1600x1200.  (2) I can't hear sound from my digital-out on my on-board sound card; (3) the mouse wheel scrolls only when the pointer hovers over the scrollbar itself (not really handy ;P); (4) the nvidia driver module gets clobbered (i.e. deleted)
[10:55] <Roey> every time I reboot, forcing me to apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-16-lowlatency and modprobe nvidia before I start X; (5) I get the following message in KDE: "You have a Logitech Mouse connected, and libusb was found at compile time, but it was not possible to access this mouse.  This is probably caused by a permissions problem - you should consult the manual on how to fix this".  This is off a vanilla Ku
[10:55] <Roey> buntu 7.04 install this morning
[10:55] <Ace_658198915> omg i have to modprobe nvidia too
[10:56] <Ace_658198915> i found out that just running sudo rmmod nvidia and then sudo modprobe nvidia makes it work BUT i installed the drivers directly from nvidia's site so that might be why :(
[10:56] <StoneNewt> they needed the extra pins for something, think it was crosstalk removeal
[10:56] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Roey: Ok, I'll try to tackle these one at a time. Forst, the Resolution problem.
[10:56] <Roey> ok
[10:56] <StoneNewt> sorry
[10:56] <Roey> WhtWolfTeraDyne:  I think I solved it by forcing 1920x1200 into /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[10:57] <Roey> WhtWolfTeraDyne:  I had read a message about a buggy x resolution detector (forgot the program's name) back in March
[10:57] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Roey: That what I was going to suggest.
[10:57] <Roey> ok
[10:57] <Roey> that worked then
[10:57] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> !sound
[10:57] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[10:57] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Roey: That should help for #2
[10:58] <Roey> WhtWolfTeraDyne:  arts?  I thought Amarok uses xine
[10:58] <Roey> WhtWolfTeraDyne:  and I try with mpg123 as well and it shows the same problem.
[10:58] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Roey: Xine is an engine. ARTS is the actual sound system.
[10:58] <Biovore> Roey: xine uses can use arts/alsa/oss as its audio output destination.. (I think alsa is probably the best bet)
[10:59] <Roey> I want to make sure it's set to alsa
[10:59] <Biovore> Roey: Its an option in amarok..
[11:00] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Roey: As for 3 and 4, I can't help much there. You should post something on http://www.ubuntuforums.org to see if someone can help there.
[11:00] <rubicon> hi all :)
[11:00] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> hi
[11:00] <Biovore> Roey: output plugin under the engine control.. (select alsa)
[11:00] <amnesiac> hi
[11:01] <Roey> Biovore:  I already have it set like that through Amarok yet I don't hear anything (amarok's frequency analyzer is firing away happily, though)
[11:01] <Roey> Same behavior in mpg123.
[11:01] <Biovore> sounds like the sounds card isn't setup right..
[11:02] <Roey> I had it set up fine in my other install... I had to set a certain alsa file
[11:02] <rubicon> you are my last chance: i tried (nearly) all howto's and so to get my ATI 9800 PRO 3D enabled..... WTF is it? Xorg7.2?
[11:02] <Roey> I thought it would be set up fine with kubuntu.
[11:02] <mankeletor> hey guys, how can i install mp3 support for amarok?
[11:02] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Roey: Did you check the speaker connection? I know it sounds stupid, but it's happened to me before.
[11:02] <Biovore> Roey: no sounds on linux is very buggy at the moument..
[11:02] <mankeletor> i meant what libs do I need to get with apt-get?
[11:03] <rubicon> mankeletor: amarok get's them itself (in my case :)
[11:03] <Biovore> Roey: venders can't seem to make up there mind.. there is no interface standard to work with.. every sounds card is a custom job.. :-/
[11:03] <Roey> ok
[11:03] <Roey> :)
[11:03] <amnesiac> yes install ammarok it the prob is solved
[11:03] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> mankeletor: "sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg"
[11:03] <Roey> WhtWolfTeraDyne:  it's purely a software issue :)
[11:03] <Roey> it was working in the morning right before I installed kubuntu
[11:03] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> !find libxine1-ffmpeg
[11:04] <ubotu> Found: libxine1-ffmpeg
[11:04] <mike_> Does anyone know how to set up USB Audio for a boombox?
[11:04] <Roey> also I've installed ffmpeg and libxine1-ffmpeg
[11:04] <mankeletor> WhtWolfTeraDyne: thanks very much =)
[11:05] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> ... I don't beleive it. I reencoded some mp3 files to ogg, and they actually sound better. O_o;
[11:05] <Biovore> its all in your head..
[11:05] <amnesiac> yes there is no spoon
[11:06] <amnesiac> hahahaha
[11:06] <mike_> USB Audio?  Know where the drivers are at... anyone?
[11:06] <Roey> what about this stupid mouse problem
[11:06] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Biovore: I dunno about that. I was expecting them to sound a bit better thanks to the new speakers, but not like this.
[11:06] <Roey> I have a logitech mx1000 mouse, and the scrollwheel only seems to work when the pointer hovers >right over< the scrollbar.
[11:06] <Biovore> mike_: there is a standardized USB audio thing that I been told works in linux.. But I have never played with it..
[11:06] <Roey> WhtWolfTeraDyne:  (maybe I'll post to the Forum like you suggested)
[11:07] <asso> hi there
[11:07] <mike_> o, ok... tyvm!
[11:07] <Biovore> Roey: I had a MX1000 here.. they work fine.. the horizontal scroll doesn;t really work though..
[11:07] <Roey> Biovore:  yeah, but the vertical scrollwheel is what's clobbered over here.  Does your /etc/X11/xorg.conf say "emulate3buttons" "true" ??
[11:07] <Roey> Mine says that.
[11:08] <Roey> I wonder if it's related to my mouse problem
[11:08] <Biovore> Roey: no need to emulate3buttons.. Mine is set to false..
[11:08] <Roey> ok.
[11:08] <Roey> what about...xchat no longer highlighting tabs to reflect messages in the channel
[11:08] <Roey> that's another problem
[11:08] <Biovore> Roey: I also set mine up to run though EVDEV.. then you can control the DPI and stuff..
[11:08] <Roey> Biovore:  ahh, how can I set that up?
[11:08] <Biovore> no clue.. I don't use XCHAT..
[11:08] <Biovore> Roey: google MX1000 and linux
[11:09] <Roey> :P
[11:09] <Roey> no, really.
[11:09] <Biovore> should be a few hits from gentoo on how to do it.. thats how I figured it out..
[11:09] <Roey> I didnt' get that option to selct in the installation.
[11:09] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Konversation and irssi here, so no xchat help from me.
[11:09] <Roey> I'll user Konvi when they get the logging format sane.
[11:09] <Biovore> jRoey: its not in the install.. it a custom thing.. you have to manualy set it up..
[11:09] <Roey> I keep telling them.
[11:09] <Roey> they don't care.
[11:09] <Roey> Biovore:  oh
[11:11] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> O_O; My #kubuntu log in Konversation is 97154 lines long...
[11:11] <Roey> :)
[11:11] <Roey> nice
[11:11] <rubicon> so, 3Daccel worked fine under Suse 10.0, it jammed under Suse 10.2 so i switched to Kubuntu and WHAT.... no 3D accel....
[11:12] <Roey> WhtWolfTeraDyne:  I've been using xchat seven years now, and the logging format has been pretty consistent.  The trouble for me is that konversation offers no way to change its own logging format (otherwise I'd have switched by now... cna't stand xchat)
[11:12] <rubicon> i was short before to get another graKA, as i don't want another XServer or so... :,-(
[11:12] <Timsen> rubicon: which 3d card is running?
[11:13] <rubicon> Timsen: ATI 9800 Pro: Suse 10.0 all fine, Suse 10.2 - mesa, Kubuntu - nothing (i messed my X today several times, even radeon didn't work)
[11:14] <rubicon> Timsen:  so now, driver:'ati', Card:'ati'
[11:15] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> heh. running most ATI cards in linux is a bad idea. Go Nvidia when you can. Much better support.
[11:15] <Biovore> !ati
[11:15] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:15] <rubicon> ubotu: tried all....
[11:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tried all.... - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:15] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> rubicon: ubotu is a chatbot...
[11:16] <rubicon> know know :)
[11:16] <rubicon> know now :)
[11:16] <Timsen> rubicon: did you install that package xorg-driver-fglrx and edited the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manually?
[11:17] <rubicon> bah, why do (nearly) all nvidia work and just my 9800 not? (there seem to be so many ati cards working fine, even the 9800 pro  but WHY ME?
[11:17] <rubicon> i did nothing else than vi xorg.conf
[11:17] <Timsen> if not I would suggest to install that package, did you use the feisty version of kubuntu?
[11:18] <Biovore> rubicon: nvidia has decent drivers for linux, ATI has crap drivers for linux..
[11:18] <iceman74> alguien que me pueda ayudar??
[11:18] <Biovore> !es
[11:18] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:19] <rubicon> i even used ome driver versions from ati.com starting from 8.28 up to 8.39 some with --buildpkg some with native.. all failed
[11:19] <Timsen> rubicon: install this package and then change the following entry in your xorg.conf
[11:20] <dec_> anyone know where to get lostirc server lists
[11:24] <dec_> i have checked on the net and cannot find any
[11:25] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> lostirc? The IRC client?
[11:26] <dec_> yes the one for kde is lostirc
[11:26] <Search4Lancer> I'm not going to lose anything if I reinstall KDE or switch to Gnome, am I?
[11:26] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> I've never heard of serverlists for it.
[11:27] <dec_> when you open the app it asks for you to connect to a channel i have no channels
[11:28] <Roey> hi!
[11:28] <Roey> hi again.
[11:28] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> dec_: you have to add other servers, like "irc.freenode.net" and "irc.poketmonsters.net"
[11:28] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> add servers*
[11:28] <dec_> where do i find them
[11:28] <Dragnslcr> dec_- IRC servers are completely independent of your client
[11:29] <dec_> ok how do i get them
[11:29] <Dragnslcr> Get what?
[11:29] <Roey> WhtWolfTeraDyne: so I neglected to say that I installed Kubutnu 7.04 with the Alternate disc (text-based install);  I tried rebooting with the standard Desktop bootable disc, and the mouse scrolling works fine.   What's the difference ebtween these two discs??
[11:29] <Dragnslcr> You don't need a special list to connect to any server
[11:29] <Dragnslcr> You just connect to the server's domain name (or IP address, but that's pretty unlikely)
[11:29] <fr0z3n> = 23:29:39 <fr0z3n> hatte mal was von dem netzwerk an enr bushaltestelle gelesn  o_O
[11:29] <dec_> all i know is that when i open the app it asks for a port number and name of the forum i want to connect to
[11:29] <fr0z3n> fc
[11:29] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Roey: There shouldn't be much of a difference
[11:30] <Dragnslcr> dec_- then type in the server name
[11:30] <Dragnslcr> e.g. irc.freenode.net
[11:30] <Dragnslcr> The port is normally 6667
[11:30] <Roey> WhtWolfTeraDyne: all i know is mouse scroll works fine in the Desktop disc
[11:30] <Dragnslcr> dec_- it's just like web sites. You don't a special list, you just have to know the name
[11:30] <dec_> i just opened the app and the first screen has a connection button but the server list is empty
[11:31] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> dec_: You have to add the servers to the likt yourself.
[11:31] <Roey> hmm
[11:31] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> s/likt/list
[11:31] <Roey> sound is still broken, though.
[11:31] <dec_> but where do i find the list of names
[11:31] <Roey> so is the X resolution.
[11:31] <Roey> brb.
[11:32] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> dec_: I don't think there is one specific listing of servers.
[11:32] <moof00> dec_: look here for example http://irc.netsplit.de/networks/
[11:32] <jhutchins> !de | fr0z3n
[11:32] <ubotu> fr0z3n: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:33] <fr0z3n> jhutchins I just took the wrong channel, sry
[11:33] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> moof00: Nice. I think I'll bookmark that place...
[11:33] <jhutchins> fr0z3n: No problem.
[11:34] <jhutchins> fr0z3n: My German isn't quite good enough.
[11:34] <jhutchins> dec_: Got it?
[11:34] <moof00> there is also http://searchirc.com/ probably other sites but they are the one pop into my mind ;)
[11:35] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> moof00: Thanks for that link as well. I'll do some googling and maybe put something up on my blog about it.
[11:42] <affan> Hi all. I just installed Kubuntu 7.04. I need to know how to make DVDs play? it stops after the first 2 screens
[11:46] <Dragnslcr> !dvd
[11:46] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[11:46] <mimmo> ciao a tutti
[11:48] <crackhead_25> Question: How do I setup my Kubuntu Edgy desktop so that I can view my desktop remotely exactly as if I were sitting in front of it, from another computer elsewhere in the world??
[11:49] <Dragnslcr> crackhead_25- I use x11vnc. I would imagine it's in Edgy's repository
[11:49] <Dragnslcr> !info x11vnc edgy
[11:49] <crackhead_25> x11vnc will alow me to do all that?
[11:49] <ubotu> x11vnc: VNC server which uses your current X11 session. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-1 (edgy), package size 438 kB, installed size 1104 kB
[11:50] <crackhead_25> ok, once i have that installed, then what?
[11:51] <crackhead_25> i already have ssh installed too so that i can get a successful remote login to ssh and do a basic shell
[11:55] <crackhead_25> Dragnslcr: once i have x11vnc installed, do i need to run it too, or is it already running?
[11:58] <adenicio> OUF I CAN FANALY SURF ON THE NET WITH KONQUEROR THE FUN HAS JUST STARTED :-D
[11:59] <Dragnslcr> crackhead_25- it requires a bit of setup
[11:59] <miso> hi
[12:00] <Dragnslcr> crackhead_25- I have this in a shell script in ~/.kde/Autostart: x11vnc -display :0 -bg -forever -rfbauth /home/me/.vnc/passwd
[12:03] <adenicio> Dragnslcr: DO u know wat web site to go to instal vlc on my pc?
[12:03] <AndreMilton> good evening everybody
[12:03] <AndreMilton> how could i make video capture from my screen with kubuntu 7.04
[12:05] <bldzr> AndreMilton: http://recordmydesktop.iovar.org/index.php maybe? =)
[12:06] <crackhead_25> i see.. or alternatively, i guess i can log in ssh from faraway to remote kubuntu, run x11vnc, and then run locally my vnc viewer each time?
[12:06] <crackhead_25> Dragnslcr: would that be right?
[12:06] <crackhead_25> from sittinghere, i mean.. to faraway
[12:06] <crackhead_25> i think i found the instructions, anyway.. from one karllunge or sometying
[12:06] <crackhead_25> thank you for your help!