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| AnRkey | keram thanks it's working | 12:50 |
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| DanaG | Hmm, trying to run WinXP with the VESA Bochs under KVM: I get exception 14. | 12:52 |
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| AnRkey | how do i get gutsy tribe 3 to go into x when it boots? | 01:57 |
| AnRkey | i have to startx when i login at the moment | 01:57 |
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| XiXaQ | hey, the Windowlist in a vertcal panel shows windows horisontally! That's great, I've been longing for that for ages. However, to me it seems abit buggy? | 02:11 |
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| jmg | hi all, i just upgraded to gutsy and didnt get compiz | 02:15 |
| jmg | how can i enable it? | 02:15 |
| crdlb | jmg, system>preferences>appearance>desktop effects | 02:15 |
| jmg | crdlb: says its enabled (button is down) | 02:17 |
| jmg | how can i debug whats happening? grep compiz in /var/log reveals nothing | 02:18 |
| jmg | oh | 02:18 |
| jmg | hehe | 02:18 |
| DanaG | Try .xsession-errors instead. | 02:18 |
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| AnRkey | does anyone else's installation not go into gdm when it boots? | 02:48 |
| AnRkey | I can't get mine to go into gdm when it boots, can anyone help? | 02:49 |
| AnRkey | i have to use startx to go into x | 02:52 |
| calc | AnRkey: is gdm installed? | 02:53 |
| calc | AnRkey: if so what does 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start' do for you? | 02:54 |
| calc | gar | 02:54 |
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| calc | AnRkey: is gdm installed? | 02:57 |
| AnRkey | calc, yeah fine | 02:58 |
| calc | AnRkey: if so what does 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start' do for you? | 02:58 |
| AnRkey | i am using it now | 02:58 |
| calc | oh so gdm works now, ok, thats good :) | 02:58 |
| AnRkey | i login and use startx to get into gdm | 02:58 |
| calc | startx doesn't go into gdm | 02:58 |
| calc | gdm is in place of needing to use startx | 02:58 |
| calc | if gdm is working it comes up at boot time | 02:59 |
| calc | startx just starts X | 02:59 |
| calc | so quit out of X and then run 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start' to see what it does | 02:59 |
| calc | if that causes gdm to start then something is wrong with /etc/rcX.d/ symlink (probably) | 03:00 |
| DanaG | Odd, when I made /var a separate partition, it seemed to break some things. | 03:00 |
| calc | if it does start dpkg-reconfigure -plow gdm might ask you if you want to use it (not really sure though) | 03:00 |
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| AnRkey | calc, it does work but it won't start during boot time | 03:01 |
| AnRkey | sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start gives me this * Not starting GNOME Display Manager (gdm); it is not the default display manager. | 03:02 |
| calc | AnRkey: ah well then that is the problem | 03:03 |
| calc | AnRkey: i think sudo 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow gdm' will fix that for you | 03:04 |
| calc | its not starting because | 03:04 |
| calc | DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER_FILE=/etc/X11/default-display-manager | 03:04 |
| calc | is not gdm | 03:04 |
| calc | which i think reconfigure will let you set it to that | 03:04 |
| === calc really has to go now, bbl | ||
| Pici | Is that a softlink to gdm? | 03:05 |
| AnRkey | cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager shows this | 03:05 |
| AnRkey | /usr/bin/gdm | 03:05 |
| calc | whoa | 03:05 |
| AnRkey | so donno now | 03:05 |
| calc | hmm | 03:06 |
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| calc | AnRkey: i see the issue | 03:06 |
| AnRkey | echo $DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER_FILE comes up empty | 03:06 |
| calc | AnRkey: change the file so say /usr/sbin/gdm | 03:06 |
| calc | s/so/to/ | 03:06 |
| calc | gdm is in /usr/sbin not /usr/bin | 03:07 |
| calc | which is what the init script checks to see if it should start | 03:07 |
| === calc is gone now for real this time | ||
| AnRkey | ok gonna reboot brb | 03:08 |
| AnRkey | thanks calc | 03:08 |
| AnRkey | is this a bug in gutsy's installer then? | 03:08 |
| AnRkey | how do i follow up on it? | 03:08 |
| AnRkey | rebooting quick | 03:08 |
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| AnRkey | calc, thanks that worked perfectly. I am a bit bummed that I did not check the path to gdm myself. Thanks again though. | 03:12 |
| AnRkey | be back later, gonna get a bit of sleep | 03:12 |
| AnRkey | gotta be up in a few hours | 03:12 |
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| voidmage | strange | 03:30 |
| voidmage | for some reason firefox likes to take up 98% cpu when i lauch it | 03:30 |
| voidmage | and it won't ever actually work | 03:30 |
| voidmage | brb x restart | 03:31 |
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| techII | is "update-manager -d" supposed to work on 64 bit systems yet? | 03:37 |
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| voidmage | Is anybody else having trouble with compiz at the moment? | 03:39 |
| voidmage | when I start compiz it crashes X | 03:40 |
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| voidmage | well yeah | 03:44 |
| voidmage | compiz likes to crash X now | 03:44 |
| voidmage | started as soon as I added Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True" to xorg.conf | 03:44 |
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| DanaG | FOr me, compiz FREEZES Xorg. | 04:01 |
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| voidmage | Can anyone help me diagnose why certain apps, including mythtv and compiz cause X to crash? | 04:09 |
| voidmage | Backtrace: | 04:12 |
| voidmage | 0: /usr/bin/X(xf86SigHandler+0x81) [0x80c8631] | 04:12 |
| voidmage | 1: [0xffffe420] | 04:12 |
| voidmage | Fatal server error: | 04:12 |
| voidmage | Caught signal 11. Server aborting | 04:12 |
| voidmage | is all that xorg.log gives me | 04:12 |
| voidmage | I'm not really sure where to begin. | 04:13 |
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| voidmage | I have nothing to go by except that thing in xorg.log and the fact that when it crashes, X basically just restarts without warning | 04:15 |
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| voidmage | sorry about that, X keeps crashing | 04:21 |
| voidmage | if anyone said something in between the time I was gone and now, can you repeat it? | 04:21 |
| jmg | guys i have the gnome-settings-daemon bug | 04:21 |
| voidmage | see if removing compiz fixes it | 04:23 |
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| voidmage | might crash again | 04:23 |
| voidmage | brb if that happens | 04:23 |
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| jmg | compiz.real Warn: Bind Pixmap to Texture failure | 04:47 |
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| yellow_chicken | which alsa will gutsy gibbon use? | 04:49 |
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| voidmage | I can't rebuild the nvidia kernel modules now | 05:04 |
| voidmage | ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. | 05:05 |
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| voidmage | anyone know what's up with the latest nvidia drivers and: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. ? | 05:34 |
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| voidmage | anyone know what's up with the latest nvidia drivers and: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. ? | 05:52 |
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| taxman | I thought I saw a page on how to rsync to the latest tribe3. Am I dreaming? | 06:00 |
| taxman | rsynch a tribe2 iso that is | 06:01 |
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| taxman | ahh, I guess jigdo can do similarly | 06:03 |
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| jmg | my system doesnt have xgl is it required for compiz xtill? | 06:08 |
| voidmage | is something with the nvidia drivers broken? | 06:08 |
| voidmage | i get anyone know what's up with the latest nvidia drivers and: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. ? | 06:08 |
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| voidmage | anyone know what's up with the latest nvidia drivers and: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. ? | 06:10 |
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| voidmage | anyone know what's up with the latest nvidia drivers and: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. ? | 06:22 |
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| jmg | ok compiz is working now but it has the wrong resolution, any fix? | 06:25 |
| jmg | !fixresolution | 06:26 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about fixresolution - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 06:26 |
| jmg | !fixres | 06:26 |
| ubotu | The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto | 06:26 |
| voidmage | Anyone know anything about ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. ? | 06:27 |
| jmg | :( | 06:35 |
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| voidmage | Anyone know anything about ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. ? | 06:52 |
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| xtknight | voidmage, i see your question 6 times on one page. apparently nobody knows. | 06:56 |
| voidmage | good, that means someone's there | 06:57 |
| voidmage | :P | 06:57 |
| xtknight | lol | 06:57 |
| xtknight | have you tried removing/reinstalling linux-restricted-modules and nvidia-glx-new? | 06:57 |
| voidmage | xtknight: probably would help to say that i'm using nvidia.com's drivers because nvidia-glx-new doesn't support the 8600 | 06:57 |
| xtknight | ah | 06:58 |
| voidmage | and that the error comes from the installer | 06:58 |
| xtknight | i think i know what the problem is | 06:58 |
| xtknight | but you're not going to like the solution | 06:58 |
| voidmage | happened today starting after some updates were put out | 06:58 |
| xtknight | basically you have to type "sudo modprobe -i nvidia" at every bootup | 06:58 |
| voidmage | anyways, what's that? | 06:58 |
| xtknight | and then it works | 06:58 |
| xtknight | for the official nvidia.com drivers | 06:58 |
| xtknight | -i makes it ignore the install script, no bad consequences (probably just a few missing sanity checks) | 06:58 |
| voidmage | i don't have the nvidia modules installed though? | 06:59 |
| xtknight | oh, you don't? | 06:59 |
| voidmage | no, that error's coming from the installer | 06:59 |
| xtknight | you mean the installer doesnt finish? | 06:59 |
| xtknight | hmm | 06:59 |
| voidmage | yeah | 06:59 |
| xtknight | not sure i only tried it on Feisty myself | 06:59 |
| voidmage | really wish they'd package 100.14.11 in nvidia-glx-new | 07:00 |
| voidmage | because of course, my card is the only unsupported one right now | 07:00 |
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| xtknight | besides, there's also a file in /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video that also interferes with installing nvidia.com drivers | 07:00 |
| xtknight | in/at | 07:00 |
| voidmage | yeah i actually just saw that when i tried to modprobe nvidia | 07:00 |
| xtknight | commenting this out works for some people: # install nvidia /sbin/lrm-video nvidia $CMDLINE_OPTS | 07:00 |
| xtknight | didnt do anything for me | 07:00 |
| xtknight | i had to use modprobe -i after i got it installed. doesnt even sound like youre at that point yet | 07:01 |
| xtknight | and you have the linux-headers right? | 07:01 |
| voidmage | yeah | 07:01 |
| voidmage | oh wait, have to kill x | 07:01 |
| voidmage | doesn't like that i'm installing it while X is running | 07:01 |
| xtknight | gdm stop | 07:01 |
| xtknight | err... sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop | 07:01 |
| voidmage | brb then | 07:02 |
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| voidmage | nope | 07:04 |
| voidmage | didn't do anything | 07:04 |
| voidmage | first off, weird that it would suddenly break | 07:05 |
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| xtknight | what did you do differently this time? | 07:05 |
| voidmage | i commented out that line in lrm-video | 07:05 |
| xtknight | oh | 07:05 |
| xtknight | didnt do anything here either | 07:05 |
| voidmage | anyways, still confused why it would break like that | 07:05 |
| xtknight | there's an --expert mode | 07:05 |
| voidmage | tried that one already | 07:06 |
| voidmage | didn't do anything | 07:06 |
| xtknight | tried building it yourself? | 07:06 |
| xtknight | like extract the sh into a folder and compile | 07:06 |
| voidmage | haven't tried that yet | 07:06 |
| xtknight | might give you more verbose output, at least | 07:06 |
| xtknight | there's nothing in NVIDIA installer.log? | 07:06 |
| voidmage | just that line | 07:06 |
| xtknight | that is more verbose | 07:06 |
| xtknight | ok try the switch that lets you extract it and compile it | 07:06 |
| voidmage | make: *** [print-module-filename] error 1 | 07:07 |
| xtknight | hmm | 07:07 |
| xtknight | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=79902 | 07:08 |
| voidmage | oh, i think i got it. | 07:08 |
| voidmage | looks like ccache fails a sanity check | 07:08 |
| voidmage | oh wow. | 07:09 |
| voidmage | i think that worked | 07:09 |
| voidmage | i'll try this now | 07:10 |
| voidmage | brb again | 07:10 |
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| voidmage | alright, that worked. | 07:15 |
| voidmage | one other thing, to fix the lrm-video issue what worked was installing linux-restricted-modules-common | 07:16 |
| xtknight | hmm | 07:18 |
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| xtknight | what worked in the end? | 07:18 |
| xtknight | compiling it on your own? | 07:18 |
| voidmage | CC=gcc sudo NVIDIA-driver-100.14.11.sh | 07:19 |
| voidmage | figured out ccache was failing a sanity check | 07:19 |
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| voidmage | well, compiz works nw | 07:20 |
| voidmage | now | 07:20 |
| voidmage | i like the packaging, esp. how it's in main | 07:20 |
| voidmage | :P | 07:20 |
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| opopanax | shoulda been gibbous gibbon | 07:56 |
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| opopanax | so what's this i read about configless X? | 07:57 |
| opopanax | is that planned to be part of gutsy? | 07:57 |
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| scotth_ | opopanax: http://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/7.2 | 08:02 |
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| scotth_ | gutsy seems to have 7.2 | 08:03 |
| scotth_ | try moving your xorg.conf out of the way and see what happens | 08:03 |
| opopanax | yeah | 08:03 |
| opopanax | have to upgrade first | 08:03 |
| opopanax | I've got beryl installed; compiz is just a drop-in replacement, right? | 08:04 |
| scotth_ | kindof | 08:04 |
| opopanax | i know they're not exactly alike... | 08:04 |
| scotth_ | well they are | 08:04 |
| scotth_ | beryl is compiz+bunch of extra plugins | 08:04 |
| opopanax | beryl was a fork of compiz, I thought. did they re-merge? | 08:04 |
| scotth_ | yeah they did | 08:04 |
| opopanax | gatcha | 08:05 |
| scotth_ | short story is gutsy has compiz fusion which is the merge of the two | 08:05 |
| opopanax | oic. | 08:05 |
| opopanax | so, beryl as implemented in feisty is dep.? | 08:05 |
| stdin | umm, Ubuntu Gutsy dose | 08:05 |
| opopanax | deprecated | 08:05 |
| opopanax | rather | 08:05 |
| scotth_ | was beryl ever in feisty? | 08:05 |
| voidmage | !info beryl feisty | 08:05 |
| ubotu | beryl: Compositing window manager, decorator and theme support - Beryl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 2 kB, installed size 44 kB | 08:05 |
| opopanax | that would be the case | 08:06 |
| stdin | beryl was not installed by default | 08:06 |
| opopanax | no | 08:06 |
| voidmage | compiz will be in gutsy from what i hear | 08:06 |
| voidmage | default, even | 08:06 |
| opopanax | yep[ | 08:06 |
| scotth_ | thought you had to use outside repos to get it in feisty | 08:06 |
| opopanax | which means my laptop will cease to work. | 08:06 |
| opopanax | heh | 08:06 |
| voidmage | if beryl doesn't work it SHOULD fall back to metacity | 08:06 |
| voidmage | emphasis on should | 08:06 |
| voidmage | :P | 08:06 |
| scotth_ | I think it will fall back gracefully | 08:06 |
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| stdin | scotth_: not actually, it was merged into the repos | 08:06 |
| voidmage | lolstabilityhumor | 08:07 |
| stdin | -fusion is nice though :) | 08:07 |
| opopanax | i think i have the wrong update-manager... can I just go ahead and manually change my repos to gutsy and do a dist-upgrade? | 08:07 |
| scotth_ | yeah, I definately agree... fusion is sweetness | 08:07 |
| stdin | adds a lot of functionality to the bling of beryl | 08:07 |
| scotth_ | wrong update-manager? | 08:08 |
| scotth_ | gksudo update-manager -c -d | 08:08 |
| opopanax | hmmmm | 08:08 |
| opopanax | the gutsy page needs to be updated then | 08:08 |
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| opopanax | doesn't like -c | 08:08 |
| scotth_ | that was just off the top of my head | 08:09 |
| scotth_ | manpage? | 08:09 |
| opopanax | sorry | 08:09 |
| opopanax | .......says i'm up to date. | 08:09 |
| scotth_ | no manpage | 08:09 |
| opopanax | heh. i'll do some pokin see what I can find | 08:09 |
| opopanax | info page prolly | 08:09 |
| scotth_ | ahh, no -c | 08:10 |
| scotth_ | http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe3 | 08:10 |
| opopanax | page says I need update-manager from feisty-proposed... | 08:10 |
| voidmage | opopanax: a dist-upgrade would probably work, but make sure to remove all third-party and local packages first | 08:11 |
| voidmage | and make sure to run a dist-upgrade until it doesn't report any upgrades | 08:11 |
| voidmage | then make sure (k)ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-minimal are installed | 08:11 |
| Hobbsee | and ubuntu-standard | 08:11 |
| scotth_ | I ussually upgrade apt and dpkg first | 08:11 |
| Hobbsee | scotth_: you shouldnt need to. | 08:12 |
| scotth_ | old debian advice | 08:12 |
| opopanax | makes sense, though... like in gentoo, always update the toolchain, then portage, then the toolchain again. | 08:12 |
| scotth_ | Hobbsee: old habit, has yet to get me into trouble | 08:12 |
| opopanax | then the rest of it. | 08:12 |
| Hobbsee | it *should* just dist-upgrade cleanly - or fairly cleanly | 08:12 |
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| Hobbsee | in fact, if you do it with a dist-upgrade, and report teh bugs, that'd be very useful | 08:13 |
| opopanax | ran ~x86 in gentoo for 2 years, should be fine. | 08:13 |
| opopanax | but, then again, not a debian guy, so I could get hung up | 08:13 |
| Hobbsee | actually, kubuntu upgrader will likely fall over | 08:13 |
| opopanax | ok, changing repos. | 08:13 |
| Hobbsee | there are still some conflicts in kdepim, iirc. i should really fix them. | 08:13 |
| Hobbsee | (where you can use dpkg -i --force-overwrite as a workaround) | 08:14 |
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| opopanax | so, i can change feisty to gutsy, feisty-backports to gutsy-backports, so on and so forth, and I should be "fine"? | 08:14 |
| Hobbsee | stf | 08:14 |
| Hobbsee | opopanax: gutsy-backports doesnt exist | 08:15 |
| Hobbsee | and you should be mostly fine. | 08:15 |
| opopanax | keep feisty-backports, then? | 08:15 |
| stdin | takes a bit of work sometimes, but that's alpha :) | 08:15 |
| Hobbsee | please file bugs for those overwriting packages, though, if they havent been filed already | 08:15 |
| Hobbsee | opopanax: no, remove it completely | 08:15 |
| opopanax | gutsy-commercial lives? | 08:16 |
| Hobbsee | i dont think so, it'll 404 if it doesnt | 08:16 |
| opopanax | kcool | 08:16 |
| voidmage | gutsy-backports exists, but it's empty | 08:17 |
| voidmage | gutsy-commercial isn't open yet | 08:17 |
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| voidmage | my current sources.list, for reference: gutsy, gutsy-proposed, gutsy-updates, gutsy-security, gutsy-backports, medibuntu-gutsy, and skype | 08:18 |
| opopanax | gutsy-proposed? | 08:18 |
| opopanax | k, cool. | 08:18 |
| opopanax | thanks | 08:18 |
| voidmage | commended out includes gutsy-commercial, wine, and ivtv | 08:18 |
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| stdin | I like to have all the official repos in sources.list and anything else in another file in sources.list.d/ | 08:19 |
| stdin | helps me keep track | 08:19 |
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| opopanax | g-com 404'd like you said. | 08:20 |
| opopanax | all else succeeded. | 08:20 |
| Hobbsee | voidmage: skype may fall over. no idea about the state of medibuntu | 08:20 |
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| voidmage | i've had luck with skype | 08:21 |
| voidmage | well for now at least | 08:21 |
| voidmage | the repo is "debian stable" | 08:21 |
| voidmage | not sure how long that will last though | 08:21 |
| opopanax | thanks for the groovy assistance-like help. | 08:23 |
| opopanax | and stuff | 08:23 |
| opopanax | see how it goes, and i'll report back. | 08:23 |
| opopanax | pretty standard hardware | 08:24 |
| xtknight | hmm so gutsy has commercial now huh? | 08:26 |
| xtknight | lol never mind | 08:26 |
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| AnAnt | Hello, I got a problem in gutsy | 08:30 |
| AnAnt | when I pass vga=788, I can't work on virtual console | 08:31 |
| AnAnt | I am using a 15.4" laptop | 08:32 |
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| shirish | guys is somebody or anybody having issues with starting ubuntu, gtk+ refusing to start? | 08:50 |
| databuddy | shirish: just do ctrl+alt+bkspace | 08:52 |
| databuddy | then relog in and its fixed here | 08:52 |
| databuddy | gah - fonts are tiny in gkrellm - the dpi bug is hitting me all ovah ! ;p | 08:54 |
| databuddy | any way to change default font size for gtk apps like gkrellm? | 08:54 |
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| DanaG | Is the DPI setting correct? | 08:55 |
| DanaG | Oh wait, do you mean GTK1? | 08:56 |
| DanaG | If so, I don't know the answer to that one. | 08:56 |
| databuddy | DanaG: dpi doesnt do anything in general | 08:58 |
| DanaG | The new appearance panel no longer applies changes on the fly. | 08:58 |
| DanaG | Now you have to log out and back in. It's a major regression, in my opinion. | 08:59 |
| shirish | databuddy: I did the crtl+alt+backspace but it doesn't solve the issues | 08:59 |
| databuddy | shirish: sorry, perhaps i dont understand exactly | 09:00 |
| databuddy | for me gnome would seem to load - but nothing would load ust would have blank desktop | 09:00 |
| shirish | databuddy: I have uploaded the xsession-errors file http://rapidshare.com/files/45499269/.xsession-errors.html | 09:00 |
| databuddy | i would do that and relog in and i was good - sometimes twice | 09:00 |
| shirish | databuddy: yup, know that one, but this is a recurring issue, the good thing is I have also xubuntu-desktop installed so i can use stuff | 09:00 |
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| databuddy | well 'solved' my dpi problem - just gotta restart X in between | 09:04 |
| shirish | DanaG: can you take a look at http://rapidshare.com/files/45499269/.xsession-errors.html | 09:05 |
| databuddy | shirish: dunno the impacts of having both full desktops in - tho you dont typically need the whole thing to use everything - i use k3b in gnome all the time - in fact for linux its the only burning program i use | 09:05 |
| shirish | databuddy: I like to use both desktops, i have few clients/friends who use xubuntu while some which have ubuntu | 09:05 |
| shirish | hence the two desktops requirement | 09:06 |
| databuddy | ya | 09:07 |
| databuddy | i dont see anything in that errors log that sticks out - but im no pro sorry | 09:07 |
| DanaG | For text files, use pastebin. | 09:08 |
| DanaG | I've lately found myself having to kill XOrg 3 or 4 times before a login worked. | 09:08 |
| DanaG | I've read somewhere that the "Desktop Effects" panel is what breaks things, so try disabling it there and manually starting compiz at each session, for safety. | 09:09 |
| shirish | DanaG: ok cool | 09:11 |
| shirish | ubotu paste | 09:12 |
| ubotu | pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) | 09:12 |
| databuddy | so DanaG how does one get beryl in gutsy anyway? | 09:13 |
| shirish | DanaG: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31633/ | 09:15 |
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| shirish | DanaG: sorry for logging out, my system had got hanged | 09:23 |
| DanaG | Beryl has been superseded by compiz-fusion. | 09:23 |
| DanaG | But you can still install the old Feisty debs of Beryl. | 09:24 |
| DanaG | Just be aware that with everything after 0.1.9999, transparent cube breaks some animations. | 09:24 |
| DanaG | Restarting to Ubuntu now -- I was in Windows. | 09:25 |
| shirish | DanaG: ok cool, lemme know when you're in | 09:25 |
| shirish | DanaG: also have you played with tracker, the search engine? | 09:25 |
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| AnAnt | Hello, I got a problem in gutsy | 09:38 |
| AnAnt | when I pass vga=788, I can't work on virtual console | 09:38 |
| AnAnt | I am using a 15.4" laptop | 09:38 |
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| DanaG | Argh, ntfs-3g doesn't offer a fallback to read-only! | 09:48 |
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| shirish | DanaG: welcome back :) | 09:56 |
| DanaG | Oh, that reminds me: there are some updates I haven't installed. | 09:56 |
| DanaG | I always read any changelogs before installing updates, just to see what's new. | 09:57 |
| shirish | DanaG: how do you read changelogs before installing updates? | 10:00 |
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| DanaG | Oh, you use update-manager. | 10:01 |
| shirish | ah, I know what you mean, I use aptitude hence forgot | 10:01 |
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| opopanax | finally done downloading, now installing packages. | 10:09 |
| opopanax | the best part of xorg 7.x is the modular architecture. Makes things a lot easier to update; I remember that from gentoo. | 10:12 |
| opopanax | is debian proper still on xfree86? | 10:12 |
| pwnguin | i dont think so | 10:13 |
| pwnguin | but you can be on xorg and not xorg 7.x | 10:13 |
| opopanax | pwnguin, um, yeah. | 10:18 |
| opopanax | is dapper lts on xorg <7 | 10:19 |
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| opop | yep | 10:24 |
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| Ind[y] | Where is the dhclient init script? I want to add a flag to dhclient. | 10:36 |
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| opop | ok, dist-upgrade borked. | 10:37 |
| opop | on unzoo | 10:37 |
| opop | hmmm | 10:38 |
| opop | doing an update first | 10:38 |
| Ind[y] | (I mean, I want to find where is the script that launches dhclient.) | 10:38 |
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| opop | indy: should be a boot service, but only launched if called for in /etc/network/interfaces | 10:42 |
| opop | right? | 10:42 |
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| Ind[y] | opop: Actually, I get tons of messages at boot, from NetworkManager (at the TTYs), and I want to disable these messages. I suppose dhclient prints them, so I want to find the script that launches it, and add the -q flag to dhclient. | 10:44 |
| opop | try ifup | 10:48 |
| opop | that might contain it. | 10:48 |
| opop | sorry, not super-familiar with the debian boot process yet. | 10:48 |
| Ind[y] | opop: ok. thanks. | 10:49 |
| opop | what's dhcdbd? | 10:49 |
| Ind[y] | Actually I found dhclient's configuration file. Can I add a flag to dhclient from there? | 10:50 |
| opop | man dhclient | 10:50 |
| opop | or dhclient.conf | 10:50 |
| opop | oh, the new sudo dialog is kinda nice | 10:52 |
| opop | there's no script-name in /etc/ containing the name dhclient, if that helps. | 10:52 |
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| Ind[y] | opop: I found /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf but I don't know how to tell it to add a flag to dhclient, every time it starts. | 10:54 |
| opop | are you sure you want to? | 10:55 |
| opop | -q is just quiet, right? | 10:57 |
| Ind[y] | Yes | 10:57 |
| Ind[y] | But how can I add this flag (I don't start dhclient manually)? | 10:57 |
| opop | i would think a lot of output from dhclient would be bug-related, wouldn't you? | 10:57 |
| opop | something you'd want to resolve, not muzzle. | 10:58 |
| opop | you'd have to find the script that's calling it. | 10:58 |
| Ind[y] | opop: Actually, -q quiets the non-bug-related messages. | 10:58 |
| Ind[y] | Only the info ones. | 10:58 |
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| Ind[y] | opop: I know, that's what I am saying from the begining :P | 10:59 |
| opop | ifup is in binary, so you really can't edit that. | 10:59 |
| opop | getcha | 10:59 |
| Ind[y] | Sorry? | 10:59 |
| opop | gotcha | 10:59 |
| Ind[y] | (I bet you found it) | 10:59 |
| opop | /etc/init.d/networking doesn't call it directly. | 10:59 |
| opop | no, didn't find it. | 10:59 |
| Ind[y] | :P | 10:59 |
| Ind[y] | opop: I suppose that someone here knows it. There are many developers here, after all. | 11:00 |
| opop | yah. | 11:01 |
| opop | sorry i couldn't help. pretty sure ifup calls it, though. | 11:01 |
| Ind[y] | opop: OK, never mind. Thanks a lot, though :-) | 11:01 |
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| opop | bad image index on synaptic and eog, any ideas? | 11:14 |
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| opop | ok, great, just a bad file. it's gone now. | 11:20 |
| opop | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/125260 | 11:21 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 125260 in apport "Dist upgrade in up-to-date Gutsy reports errors" [Undecided,Invalid] | 11:21 |
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| opop | rebooting into gutsy. wish me luck. (removing xorg.conf just for kicks, see what happens.) | 11:24 |
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| opopanax | ok, everything seems to be ok, but my beryl install is borked. | 11:39 |
| opopanax | compiz isn't starting | 11:39 |
| opopanax | emerald isn't doing it's thing properly. | 11:40 |
| opopanax | as far as window decorations. | 11:40 |
| opopanax | hmmm. | 11:40 |
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| Sebastian | Why does my screen suddenly turn greenish/blueish instead of black when X starts before GDM shows itself? | 11:57 |
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| askand | Am im the only one that cant use iconthemes from gnomelook in gutsy? | 12:00 |
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| blackdiamond_ | Hi guys! Sorry if my english language is not really correct. But I'll try to do my best. I use ubuntu 7.04. On a partition on my pc I would like to test Gutsy. I try to do that, but in the new partition, internet connection doesn't work. There is no way to connect the modem. My modem is D-Link. It can be a problem of kernel? What can I do? I would like to get involved in testing Gutsy Gibbon. Thanks | 12:28 |
| jussi01 | blackdiamond_: I suggest you wait for a while before using gutsy. there are still a lot of broken things and it isnt ready for peole who dont know exactly what they are doing | 12:29 |
| askand | Am im the only one that cant use iconthemes from gnomelook in gutsy? | 12:30 |
| blackdiamond_ | @Jussi01. The problem is that i always use to report bugs etc..I don't have problem to test this sort of things.. The only problem is that there is no way to connect to internet. thanks | 12:31 |
| blackdiamond_ | but i don't know what is the real problem | 12:32 |
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| jussi01 | blackdiamond_: ok, how did you connect the modem in 7.04? | 12:35 |
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| blackdiamond_ | @Jussi01. From terminal pppoeconf | 12:40 |
| blackdiamond_ | system -->network --> ethernet etc.. and it works | 12:41 |
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| jussi01 | blackdiamond_: excellent :) | 12:50 |
| blackdiamond_ | do you think that is the new kernel of GUtsy that do not support my modem? | 12:51 |
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| ekso | hey, on gutsy tribe 3, where do i find the restricted drivers module? | 02:52 |
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| xstasi | anyone knows what are the feisty-proposed repos? | 02:55 |
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| Hobbsee | ekso: restricted-manager? you have to install it | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | ekso: it's a bug, it's subsequently been fixed. | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | xstasi: feisty --> #ubuntu | 03:01 |
| xstasi | well noone knows about that on #ubuntu | 03:01 |
| xstasi | :) | 03:01 |
| ekso | Hobbsee: it's installed on synaptic, but I can't find it anywhere (neither the command to run it on a terminal) | 03:02 |
| Hobbsee | xstasi: copy the feisty-updates line of your sources list, adn adapt it to be feisty proposed. | 03:02 |
| xstasi | yeah, i didn't ask how to use them | 03:02 |
| xstasi | i asked what are they | 03:02 |
| xstasi | :P | 03:02 |
| Hobbsee | ekso: are you talking about linux-*-modules, or restricted-manager? | 03:02 |
| Hobbsee | xstasi: oh, i misread | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | !sru | xstasi | 03:03 |
| ubotu | xstasi: Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates for main and restricted, while https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU is for universe and multiverse. | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | !proposed | 03:03 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about proposed - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 03:03 |
| xstasi | mh.. sru uh? | 03:03 |
| xstasi | :D | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | xstasi: see the sru stuff - the proposed updates to a stable release go to -proposed | 03:03 |
| xstasi | Hobbsee, IIRC, you are a MOTU.. | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | xstasi: and a core dev, yes. | 03:03 |
| xstasi | i'm downloading gutsy right now | 03:03 |
| xstasi | so i haven't tried it yet | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | cool :) | 03:04 |
| Hobbsee | you wont need feisty-proposed then | 03:04 |
| xstasi | Upgrading from Feisty | 03:04 |
| xstasi | If you upgrade from feisty, please make sure that you have update-manager 0.59.23 from feisty-proposed installed. Then run "update-manager -d". | 03:04 |
| xstasi | that's why i wondered | 03:04 |
| xstasi | :) | 03:04 |
| Hobbsee | ah right | 03:04 |
| xstasi | anyway | 03:04 |
| Hobbsee | it's the test repository, basically | 03:04 |
| xstasi | i had an idea, maybe you already did it.. | 03:04 |
| xstasi | how about using the new debian-installer for the alternate? | 03:04 |
| xstasi | the one in gtkfb | 03:04 |
| xstasi | it would be really cool.. | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | i didnt do it | 03:05 |
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| Hobbsee | cjwatson would know, i'd be surprised if we didnt already. | 03:05 |
| xstasi | i'd like to avoi | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | depends when it came out, etc | 03:05 |
| xstasi | i'd like to avoid wasting both bandwidth and cds | 03:05 |
| xstasi | to burn an iso | 03:05 |
| xstasi | that's why i ask you instead of trying by myself | 03:06 |
| xstasi | :p | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | fair enough | 03:06 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt know | ||
| === Hobbsee doesnt know everything. | ||
| Hobbsee | if you have a look at the changelog, it should tell you. | 03:07 |
| ekso | is there a way to run the restricted-modules GUI from the terminal? | 03:07 |
| mendred | hullo Hobbsee..long time no see | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | hi mendred | 03:07 |
| xstasi | ekso, sudo restricted-manager, i guess | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | ekso: sure, type restriced-modules | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | er, what xstasi said | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | that's waht i *meant* to type | 03:08 |
| ekso | nope... restricted-manager not found | 03:09 |
| ekso | and lrm-manager exists, but doesn't open anything :? | 03:09 |
| xstasi | dpkg -L restricted-manager | grep bin/ | 03:10 |
| xstasi | try this :P | 03:10 |
| ekso | AF | 03:10 |
| ekso | thanks!! :D | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | ekso: can you pastebin the output of 'apt-cache policy restricted-manager'? | 03:11 |
| Hobbsee | oh, you found it | 03:11 |
| ekso | yes, it wasn't installed. i thought it was (LINUX-restrict-modules-* was) | 03:11 |
| Hobbsee | ah, so i was right in my suspicion | 03:12 |
| xstasi | Hobbsee, anyway | 03:12 |
| xstasi | where should i check for that d-i thing again? | 03:12 |
| Hobbsee | changelogs.ubuntu.com | 03:13 |
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| xstasi | Hobbsee, how many strange named files.. | 03:21 |
| xstasi | :P | 03:22 |
| xstasi | is there useful info? | 03:22 |
| xstasi | anyway, update-manager -d says nothing.. is the wiki info correct? | 03:23 |
| xstasi | because i'm about to sed -e "s/feisty/gutsy/g" on sources.list | 03:23 |
| xstasi | :P | 03:23 |
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| igorgue | Does anybody have a working vmware server? | 03:24 |
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| xsacha | updated from adept_updater today and now my mouse seems to double click whenever i press left mouse button | 03:34 |
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| yellow_chicken | beta use alsa 1.0.14rc4 or final release? | 03:34 |
| yellow_chicken | gutsy beta use alsa 1.0.14rc4 or final release? | 03:35 |
| yellow_chicken | can someone help, i installed 1.0.14 on ubuntu 7.04. when i go youtube.com and watch like 3 videos, the sound screws up. the sound chug a little and screws up | 03:37 |
| igorgue | it have gutsy and it says 1.0.14 | 03:38 |
| igorgue | no rc4 | 03:38 |
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| igorgue | yellow_chicken, it says 1.0.14-1 | 03:40 |
| igorgue | i think is rc1 | 03:40 |
| yellow_chicken | oh no | 03:40 |
| yellow_chicken | i was using rc4 | 03:40 |
| igorgue | :S | 03:41 |
| yellow_chicken | but i just switch to final release. but sound still screw up | 03:41 |
| igorgue | btw, I can see youtube all day and no sound problems | 03:41 |
| yellow_chicken | well, for me this machine, plays sound. then at some point, it just keep on playing the same note over and over again. and tottally crashes, and a reboot is needed to fix | 03:43 |
| yellow_chicken | it | 03:43 |
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| xstasi | Hobbsee, can i pm? | 03:53 |
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| Hobbsee | xstasi: you can, but i'm not really here at the moment. | 03:56 |
| === Hobbsee is reading her book, and coming back from time to time | ||
| Hobbsee | !backports | xstasi | 03:57 |
| ubotu | xstasi: If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging | 03:57 |
| xstasi | thx | 03:57 |
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| xstasi | !help | 04:17 |
| ubotu | I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots | 04:17 |
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| PriceChild | hmm the new xchat loads old logs when you start up | 04:47 |
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| elkbuntu | PriceChild, oh? as in, in the scrollback? | 04:55 |
| PriceChild | Yeah | 04:55 |
| elkbuntu | sweeeeeet! | 04:55 |
| === elkbuntu has wanted that for sooo long | ||
| PriceChild | Haha :) | 04:55 |
| PriceChild | do I get a prize for telling you about it? | 04:56 |
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| elkbuntu | PriceChild, a hug if we ever meet again | 04:56 |
| PriceChild | wooo | 04:56 |
| PriceChild | and then you can see my question in -ops in the scrollback when you reboot :) | 04:56 |
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| elkbuntwo | ohmigawd. it really does! | 05:00 |
| PriceChild | haha I wasn't lying :D | 05:01 |
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| PriceChild | I wish xchat had an easy way to change the amount of scrollback you have though... | 05:01 |
| PriceChild | I think it means editing a file or two before compiling | 05:01 |
| elkbuntwo | btw, you were saying yesterday you disliked the new tree view? | 05:02 |
| elkbuntwo | i cant see any difference other than the little lines | 05:02 |
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| sn0 | PriceChild it does? | 05:15 |
| sn0 | settings > prefernces > interface > text input > scrollback lines | 05:15 |
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| elkbuntwo | zomg, PriceChild, we also finally get a gnome where we can drag and drop our panel tabs into order! | 05:17 |
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| sn0 | does anyone else notice a blue/green screen appearing, for about half a second, before GDM kicks in? on latest updates | 05:33 |
| elkbuntu | sn0, yes. they've merged the new debian gdm in, and it wasnt trivial so there'll be a few quirks like that | 05:34 |
| sn0 | ohh righty, reminded me of the default background on windows 95/98 :o | 05:34 |
| elkbuntu | hehe, it's actually from the debian-moreblue theme iirc | 05:34 |
| sn0 | :> | 05:34 |
| elkbuntu | the gdm greeter was debian-moreblue for a short while | 05:35 |
| sn0 | i haven't seen it | 05:37 |
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| webjames | sn0 i had that | 05:42 |
| webjames | then an error about debian-moreblue, then it went to a different login screen | 05:42 |
| sn0 | bug 118657 | 05:43 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 118657 in gdm "default background colour is blue in gutsy" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118657 | 05:43 |
| PriceChild | sn0, wooo thanks for that | 05:43 |
| PriceChild | elkbuntu, yeah... I don't like the little lines :P | 05:43 |
| sn0 | yw PriceChild :-) it drove me mad too | 05:43 |
| === PriceChild ups it to 1000 | ||
| webjames | little lines? | 05:44 |
| sn0 | ctrl+l lines? | 05:44 |
| sn0 | first time i seen those i thought there was a spider on my screen | 05:44 |
| sn0 | ctrl+l = clear lol | 05:45 |
| webjames | i haven't got any lines? | 05:45 |
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| sn0 | webjames im settings > preferences > interface > text box > there is a 'show marker line' | 05:52 |
| sn0 | ahh too late ;] | 05:52 |
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| opopanax | interesting.... the flashplugin-nonfree dpkg-reconfigure script deletes /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree prior to attempting to unpack flash into it. | 06:41 |
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| opopanax | ...but only when re-configuring... | 06:43 |
| opopanax | worked fine with a --reinstall | 06:44 |
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| opopanax | k, how to get compiz working properly......removed beryl and attendant packages | 06:53 |
| opopanax | have to do it after baseball. go mariners! | 06:53 |
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| masterloki | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048%201069609639%201305520548%20106790703%201067918816&bop=And&CompareItemList=N82E16814141057%2CN82E16814136008%2CN82E16814141038%2CN82E16814141038R%2CN82E16814141057R | 07:37 |
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| databuddy | masterloki: ok looking ^^ | 07:38 |
| masterloki | ok | 07:42 |
| databuddy | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814141038R | 07:43 |
| databuddy | thats the one i'm voting for | 07:43 |
| databuddy | but double check its got the adaptor for the monitor | 07:43 |
| databuddy | i think i have an extra one lying around anyway tho | 07:43 |
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| databuddy | yeah i got an extra dvi-i to vga i'm sure of it | 07:45 |
| masterloki | databuddy are you talk about the dvi to avg adaptor | 07:46 |
| databuddy | avg? | 07:47 |
| databuddy | no. | 07:47 |
| databuddy | dvi to vga | 07:47 |
| databuddy | o yeah | 07:47 |
| databuddy | yes. | 07:47 |
| masterloki | I have one so if it does not have one I can use mines | 07:48 |
| databuddy | yeah | 07:49 |
| databuddy | that particular package comes with only the vid card - nothing else with it - thats basically what oem means on those | 07:49 |
| masterloki | ok | 07:50 |
| databuddy | so no disks or anything - but it works out of the box with win and *nix - and can dl the drivers easily enough | 07:50 |
| databuddy | and look at the features at the bottom - has uuberloads | 07:50 |
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| masterloki | ? uuberloads | 07:51 |
| databuddy | lots and lots and lots :P | 07:52 |
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| masterloki | ok | 07:54 |
| masterloki | :) | 07:54 |
| masterloki | ummm good | 07:54 |
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| soothsayer | Does systemtap work on Gutsy without having to compiling kernels? | 09:20 |
| crimsun | it does. | 09:23 |
| xstasi | so | 09:23 |
| crimsun | You need to install the debug image and systemtap packages and create a symlink by hand, | 09:23 |
| xstasi | is there a recommended way to upgrade? | 09:23 |
| xstasi | i'd sed -e "s/feisty/gutsy/g" on sources.list and then apt-get up{date,grade} | 09:23 |
| soothsayer | crimsun: Alright thanks. The debug image wasn't available on Feisty right? | 09:24 |
| xstasi | but i've seen stuff involving a so called update manager | 09:24 |
| soothsayer | crimsun: (The particular debug image needed for full functionality in systemtap) | 09:24 |
| crimsun | soothsayer: it is. | 09:24 |
| xstasi | !upgrade | 09:25 |
| ubotu | For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes | 09:25 |
| boris55 | is there any reason that the mysql versions for ubuntu is so far behind other distros exxpecailly from the repsos? | 09:25 |
| xstasi | mh | 09:25 |
| xstasi | not what i was looking for | 09:25 |
| crimsun | xstasi: dist-upgrade after update, not upgrade. | 09:26 |
| xstasi | mh | 09:26 |
| xstasi | so that's the best way? | 09:26 |
| crimsun | xstasi: it's one way. | 09:26 |
| xstasi | mh kay | 09:26 |
| xstasi | :D | 09:26 |
| xstasi | because the wiki said to issue update-manager -d | 09:26 |
| xstasi | which is similar to dist-upgrade | 09:26 |
| xstasi | but the list of upgradables was empty.. :) | 09:26 |
| xstasi | i assume i'll have to do that way | 09:26 |
| crimsun | boris55: what are you talking about? | 09:27 |
| crimsun | Candidate: 5.0.45-1 | 09:27 |
| crimsun | http://mysql.org/downloads/mysql/5.0.html#downloads | 09:27 |
| crimsun | they're identical for the most recent stable release. | 09:27 |
| boris55 | from the apt application. | 09:28 |
| crimsun | what about it? | 09:29 |
| crimsun | it's definitely the latest. | 09:29 |
| crimsun | http://pastebin.ca/637304 | 09:29 |
| boris55 | ok, I'll check again. | 09:29 |
| boris55 | thanks. I see it. | 09:30 |
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| ryanakca | [!!] Install the base system Debootstrap Error Failed to determine the codename for the release. <Continue> (Ubuntu Server 7.10.. yesterday's build... amd64) | 09:51 |
| ryanakca | Is there any way to manually pass the codename/version to debootstrap? | 09:52 |
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| napsy_ | why does evolution suck in latest updates? | 11:05 |
| AnRkey | napsy_, what is it doing? | 11:09 |
| napsy_ | when I got new mail it starts to consume 100% cpu | 11:09 |
| AnRkey | hmm | 11:11 |
| AnRkey | it is beta so... | 11:11 |
| AnRkey | report it :D | 11:11 |
| napsy_ | ok | 11:11 |
| AnRkey | evo normally gives me a nut ache when i use it with the exchange plugin | 11:11 |
| AnRkey | i seem to be alone with my dislike for the app | 11:12 |
| AnRkey | ok outa here | 11:13 |
| AnRkey | bf2 time | 11:13 |
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| DanaG | WTF happened to CCSM? The animations properties page is now horridly confusing! | 11:27 |
| DanaG | I mean, what is "4"? Or "7"? | 11:28 |
| DanaG | For animation type. | 11:28 |
| DanaG | I mean, imagine if all the buttons in your car were labeled only with numbers, and there was nothing anywhere to indicate what those numbers meant? | 11:30 |
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| geser | DanaG: I see this too after the last compiz update | 11:37 |
| geser | I guess the number specifies the type of animation but I don't have the mapping between number and animation | 11:38 |
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| DanaG | I wish they'd bring back the checkboxes (wow, what a concept!) from Beryl's settings manager. | 12:01 |
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