=== bur[n] e1 [n=burner@c-71-56-237-100.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === wfarr_ [n=wfarr@adsl-145-80-158.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === kfoltman [n=kfoltman@83-70-74-53.b-ras1.srl.dublin.eircom.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:50] keram thanks it's working === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ke- [n=kenneth@port272.ds1-aboes.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === CarlF1 [n=carl@ip67-153-238-154.z238-153-67.customer.algx.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [12:52] Hmm, trying to run WinXP with the VESA Bochs under KVM: I get exception 14. === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@208.69.211.16] has joined #ubuntu+1 === eagles0513875 [n=jonathan@88.203.73.158] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Toxicity999 [n=bryan@unaffiliated/Toxicity999] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bur[n] e1 [n=burner@c-71-56-237-100.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === ptn107 [n=phil@68.63.160.79] has joined #ubuntu+1 === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu+1 === grumpymole [n=warren@c58-109-125-122.lowrp2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === masquerade [n=mirashii@c-71-200-134-173.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === linxeh [n=linx@88-96-202-38.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Razor44 [n=kathy@ipa116.34.91.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@208.69.211.16] has joined #ubuntu+1 === crdlb [n=crdlb@unaffiliated/crdlb] has joined #ubuntu+1 === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-50-136.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ajmorris_ [n=ajmorris@220-253-13-244.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu+1 === defendguin [n=supertux@ip5-155.tvmax-fiber-1.hou.ygnition.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === AnRkey [n=AnRkey@87-194-62-131.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:57] how do i get gutsy tribe 3 to go into x when it boots? [01:57] i have to startx when i login at the moment === masquerade [n=mirashii@c-71-200-134-173.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === kk [n=freechel@peh13-1-82-235-100-231.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:11] hey, the Windowlist in a vertcal panel shows windows horisontally! That's great, I've been longing for that for ages. However, to me it seems abit buggy? === ke- [n=kenneth@port272.ds1-aboes.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:15] hi all, i just upgraded to gutsy and didnt get compiz [02:15] how can i enable it? [02:15] jmg, system>preferences>appearance>desktop effects [02:17] crdlb: says its enabled (button is down) [02:18] how can i debug whats happening? grep compiz in /var/log reveals nothing [02:18] oh [02:18] hehe [02:18] Try .xsession-errors instead. === burner [n=burner@c-71-56-237-100.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu+1 === compwiz18 [n=adam18@metarb3-pool1-182.mtco.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === AnRkey [n=AnRkey@87-194-62-131.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:48] does anyone else's installation not go into gdm when it boots? [02:49] I can't get mine to go into gdm when it boots, can anyone help? [02:52] i have to use startx to go into x [02:53] AnRkey: is gdm installed? [02:54] AnRkey: if so what does 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start' do for you? [02:54] gar === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-50-136.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === AnRkey [n=AnRkey@87-194-62-131.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:57] AnRkey: is gdm installed? [02:58] calc, yeah fine [02:58] AnRkey: if so what does 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start' do for you? [02:58] i am using it now [02:58] oh so gdm works now, ok, thats good :) [02:58] i login and use startx to get into gdm [02:58] startx doesn't go into gdm [02:58] gdm is in place of needing to use startx [02:59] if gdm is working it comes up at boot time [02:59] startx just starts X [02:59] so quit out of X and then run 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start' to see what it does [03:00] if that causes gdm to start then something is wrong with /etc/rcX.d/ symlink (probably) [03:00] Odd, when I made /var a separate partition, it seemed to break some things. [03:00] if it does start dpkg-reconfigure -plow gdm might ask you if you want to use it (not really sure though) === kk [n=freechel@peh13-1-82-235-100-231.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === calc bbl, going out for a bit [03:01] calc, it does work but it won't start during boot time [03:02] sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start gives me this * Not starting GNOME Display Manager (gdm); it is not the default display manager. [03:03] AnRkey: ah well then that is the problem [03:04] AnRkey: i think sudo 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow gdm' will fix that for you [03:04] its not starting because [03:04] DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER_FILE=/etc/X11/default-display-manager [03:04] is not gdm [03:04] which i think reconfigure will let you set it to that === calc really has to go now, bbl [03:05] Is that a softlink to gdm? [03:05] cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager shows this [03:05] /usr/bin/gdm [03:05] whoa [03:05] so donno now [03:06] hmm === calc notes his wife wasn't quite ready to leave yet so is here for another minute [03:06] AnRkey: i see the issue [03:06] echo $DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER_FILE comes up empty [03:06] AnRkey: change the file so say /usr/sbin/gdm [03:06] s/so/to/ [03:07] gdm is in /usr/sbin not /usr/bin [03:07] which is what the init script checks to see if it should start === calc is gone now for real this time [03:08] ok gonna reboot brb [03:08] thanks calc [03:08] is this a bug in gutsy's installer then? [03:08] how do i follow up on it? [03:08] rebooting quick === techII [n=techII@pool-72-88-126-125.bflony.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === AnRkey [n=AnRkey@87-194-62-131.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:12] calc, thanks that worked perfectly. I am a bit bummed that I did not check the path to gdm myself. Thanks again though. [03:12] be back later, gonna get a bit of sleep [03:12] gotta be up in a few hours === wfarr [n=wfarr@adsl-34-2-54.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === snax [n=snax@c-67-183-115-232.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === winbond [n=winbond@c-69-248-225-130.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === matysek [n=matysek@231.Red-88-14-190.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === freechelmi_ [n=freechel@peh13-1-82-235-100-231.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === rockets [n=rockets@pool-68-160-208-154.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:30] strange [03:30] for some reason firefox likes to take up 98% cpu when i lauch it [03:30] and it won't ever actually work [03:31] brb x restart === chrisbudden14 [n=chrisbud@dsl-dp-81-140-108-130.in-addr.broadbandscope.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jtt [n=jtholmes@adsl-065-006-144-253.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === voidmage [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === voidmage [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === voidmage [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:37] is "update-manager -d" supposed to work on 64 bit systems yet? === voidmage [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:39] Is anybody else having trouble with compiz at the moment? [03:40] when I start compiz it crashes X === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === voidmage [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === voidmage [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:44] well yeah [03:44] compiz likes to crash X now [03:44] started as soon as I added Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True" to xorg.conf === eMaX [n=emax@98.58.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu+1 === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-120-230-100.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-54-247.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:01] FOr me, compiz FREEZES Xorg. === mister_roboto [n=jrk@24-136-22-252.hnc-bsr1.chi-hnc.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === winbond [n=winbond@c-69-248-225-130.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === voidmage [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === voidmage [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:09] Can anyone help me diagnose why certain apps, including mythtv and compiz cause X to crash? [04:12] Backtrace: [04:12] 0: /usr/bin/X(xf86SigHandler+0x81) [0x80c8631] [04:12] 1: [0xffffe420] [04:12] Fatal server error: [04:12] Caught signal 11. Server aborting [04:12] is all that xorg.log gives me [04:13] I'm not really sure where to begin. === mister_roboto [n=jrk@24-136-22-252.hnc-bsr1.chi-hnc.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:15] I have nothing to go by except that thing in xorg.log and the fact that when it crashes, X basically just restarts without warning === mister_roboto [n=jrk@24-136-22-252.hnc-bsr1.chi-hnc.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mister_roboto [n=jrk@24-136-22-252.hnc-bsr1.chi-hnc.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === voidmage [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:21] sorry about that, X keeps crashing [04:21] if anyone said something in between the time I was gone and now, can you repeat it? [04:21] guys i have the gnome-settings-daemon bug [04:23] see if removing compiz fixes it === Stormx2 [n=Stormx2@host-87-240-137-127.hi-velocity.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:23] might crash again [04:23] brb if that happens === voidmage [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fiveiron [n=fiveiron@74-137-162-129.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === defendguin [n=supertux@ip5-155.tvmax-fiber-1.hou.ygnition.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === onechard [n=chard@ip68-98-192-143.mc.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === rockets [n=rockets@pool-68-160-208-154.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mister_roboto [n=jrk@24-136-22-252.hnc-bsr1.chi-hnc.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mister_roboto [n=jrk@24-136-22-252.hnc-bsr1.chi-hnc.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === valehru [n=valehru@221.221.131.221] has joined #ubuntu+1 === rockets [n=rockets@pool-68-160-208-154.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mrigns_ [n=mrigns@unaffiliated/mrigns] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:47] compiz.real Warn: Bind Pixmap to Texture failure === yellow_chicken [n=goldenpi@cpe-66-8-235-245.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:49] which alsa will gutsy gibbon use? === fiveiron [n=fiveiron@74-137-162-129.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 === voidmage [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:04] I can't rebuild the nvidia kernel modules now [05:05] ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. === techII [n=techII@pool-72-88-126-125.bflony.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === vlowther [n=vlowther@adsl-75-55-115-198.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-120-159.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === kingrayray [n=kingrayr@pool-71-112-146-243.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fiveiron [n=fiveiron@74-137-162-129.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === manchicken [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:34] anyone know what's up with the latest nvidia drivers and: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. ? === Agrajag` [n=Agrajag@c-67-163-214-103.hsd1.oh.comcast.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 === BaD_CrC [n=ns@c-71-231-214-232.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:52] anyone know what's up with the latest nvidia drivers and: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. ? === defcon [n=defcon@71-36-166-106.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === taxman [n=taxman@Wikipedia/Taxman] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:00] I thought I saw a page on how to rsync to the latest tribe3. Am I dreaming? [06:01] rsynch a tribe2 iso that is === makuseru [n=max@163.106.40.24.aeneasdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:03] ahh, I guess jigdo can do similarly === Tomcat_` [n=Tomcat@p54A1D6A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:08] my system doesnt have xgl is it required for compiz xtill? [06:08] is something with the nvidia drivers broken? [06:08] i get anyone know what's up with the latest nvidia drivers and: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. ? === SmrtJustin [n=SmrtJust@72.241.32.238] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:10] anyone know what's up with the latest nvidia drivers and: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. ? === Toma- [n=e17@210-84-16-225.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === databuddy [n=starz@unaffiliated/databuddy] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Kain [n=i@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ajmorris_ [n=ajmorris@220-253-54-9.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jgoss [n=josh@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === voidmage-away [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:22] anyone know what's up with the latest nvidia drivers and: ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. ? === voidmage-away [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:25] ok compiz is working now but it has the wrong resolution, any fix? [06:26] !fixresolution [06:26] Sorry, I don't know anything about fixresolution - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [06:26] !fixres [06:26] The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto [06:27] Anyone know anything about ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. ? [06:35] :( === taxman [n=taxman@Wikipedia/Taxman] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [06:52] Anyone know anything about ERROR: Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename. ? === baconbacon [n=bacon@modemcable243.113-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu+1 === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === baconbacon [n=bacon@modemcable243.113-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Ex-Chat"] [06:56] voidmage, i see your question 6 times on one page. apparently nobody knows. [06:57] good, that means someone's there [06:57] :P [06:57] lol [06:57] have you tried removing/reinstalling linux-restricted-modules and nvidia-glx-new? [06:57] xtknight: probably would help to say that i'm using nvidia.com's drivers because nvidia-glx-new doesn't support the 8600 [06:58] ah [06:58] and that the error comes from the installer [06:58] i think i know what the problem is [06:58] but you're not going to like the solution [06:58] happened today starting after some updates were put out [06:58] basically you have to type "sudo modprobe -i nvidia" at every bootup [06:58] anyways, what's that? [06:58] and then it works [06:58] for the official nvidia.com drivers [06:58] -i makes it ignore the install script, no bad consequences (probably just a few missing sanity checks) [06:59] i don't have the nvidia modules installed though? [06:59] oh, you don't? [06:59] no, that error's coming from the installer [06:59] you mean the installer doesnt finish? [06:59] hmm [06:59] yeah [06:59] not sure i only tried it on Feisty myself [07:00] really wish they'd package 100.14.11 in nvidia-glx-new [07:00] because of course, my card is the only unsupported one right now === IcemanV9 [n=jwvehrs@adsl-75-21-203-111.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:00] besides, there's also a file in /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video that also interferes with installing nvidia.com drivers [07:00] in/at [07:00] yeah i actually just saw that when i tried to modprobe nvidia [07:00] commenting this out works for some people: # install nvidia /sbin/lrm-video nvidia $CMDLINE_OPTS [07:00] didnt do anything for me [07:01] i had to use modprobe -i after i got it installed. doesnt even sound like youre at that point yet [07:01] and you have the linux-headers right? [07:01] yeah [07:01] oh wait, have to kill x [07:01] doesn't like that i'm installing it while X is running [07:01] gdm stop [07:01] err... sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop [07:02] brb then === baconbacon [n=bacon@modemcable243.113-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu+1 === voidmage [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:04] nope [07:04] didn't do anything [07:05] first off, weird that it would suddenly break === mendred [n=mendred@59.93.65.126] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:05] what did you do differently this time? [07:05] i commented out that line in lrm-video [07:05] oh [07:05] didnt do anything here either [07:05] anyways, still confused why it would break like that [07:05] there's an --expert mode [07:06] tried that one already [07:06] didn't do anything [07:06] tried building it yourself? [07:06] like extract the sh into a folder and compile [07:06] haven't tried that yet [07:06] might give you more verbose output, at least [07:06] there's nothing in NVIDIA installer.log? [07:06] just that line [07:06] that is more verbose [07:06] ok try the switch that lets you extract it and compile it [07:07] make: *** [print-module-filename] error 1 [07:07] hmm [07:08] http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=79902 [07:08] oh, i think i got it. [07:08] looks like ccache fails a sanity check [07:09] oh wow. [07:09] i think that worked [07:10] i'll try this now [07:10] brb again === voidmage [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:15] alright, that worked. [07:16] one other thing, to fix the lrm-video issue what worked was installing linux-restricted-modules-common [07:18] hmm === jackaesop [n=jhaubric@ip68-12-185-66.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:18] what worked in the end? [07:18] compiling it on your own? [07:19] CC=gcc sudo NVIDIA-driver-100.14.11.sh [07:19] figured out ccache was failing a sanity check === defcon [n=defcon@71-36-166-106.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:20] well, compiz works nw [07:20] now [07:20] i like the packaging, esp. how it's in main [07:20] :P === ajmorris_ [n=ajmorris@220-253-54-9.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bullgard4 [n=detlef@p54BF30FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Frost^ [n=sweiss@CBL217-132-115-205.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu+1 === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu+1 === opopanax [n=steve@unaffiliated/opopanaxgentoo] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:56] shoulda been gibbous gibbon === masterloki [n=mloki@75.80.5.221] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:57] so what's this i read about configless X? [07:57] is that planned to be part of gutsy? === masterloki [n=mloki@75.80.5.221] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:02] opopanax: http://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/7.2 === manchicken [n=manchkn@ubuntu/member/manchicken] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:03] gutsy seems to have 7.2 [08:03] try moving your xorg.conf out of the way and see what happens [08:03] yeah [08:03] have to upgrade first [08:04] I've got beryl installed; compiz is just a drop-in replacement, right? [08:04] kindof [08:04] i know they're not exactly alike... [08:04] well they are [08:04] beryl is compiz+bunch of extra plugins [08:04] beryl was a fork of compiz, I thought. did they re-merge? [08:04] yeah they did [08:05] gatcha [08:05] short story is gutsy has compiz fusion which is the merge of the two [08:05] oic. [08:05] so, beryl as implemented in feisty is dep.? [08:05] umm, Ubuntu Gutsy dose [08:05] deprecated [08:05] rather [08:05] was beryl ever in feisty? [08:05] !info beryl feisty [08:05] beryl: Compositing window manager, decorator and theme support - Beryl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 2 kB, installed size 44 kB [08:06] that would be the case [08:06] beryl was not installed by default [08:06] no [08:06] compiz will be in gutsy from what i hear [08:06] default, even [08:06] yep[ [08:06] thought you had to use outside repos to get it in feisty [08:06] which means my laptop will cease to work. [08:06] heh [08:06] if beryl doesn't work it SHOULD fall back to metacity [08:06] emphasis on should [08:06] :P [08:06] I think it will fall back gracefully === opopanax knows it will default to metacity [08:06] scotth_: not actually, it was merged into the repos [08:07] lolstabilityhumor [08:07] -fusion is nice though :) [08:07] i think i have the wrong update-manager... can I just go ahead and manually change my repos to gutsy and do a dist-upgrade? [08:07] yeah, I definately agree... fusion is sweetness [08:07] adds a lot of functionality to the bling of beryl [08:08] wrong update-manager? [08:08] gksudo update-manager -c -d [08:08] hmmmm [08:08] the gutsy page needs to be updated then === masterloki [n=mloki@75.80.5.221] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:08] doesn't like -c [08:09] that was just off the top of my head [08:09] manpage? [08:09] sorry [08:09] .......says i'm up to date. [08:09] no manpage [08:09] heh. i'll do some pokin see what I can find [08:09] info page prolly [08:10] ahh, no -c [08:10] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe3 [08:10] page says I need update-manager from feisty-proposed... [08:11] opopanax: a dist-upgrade would probably work, but make sure to remove all third-party and local packages first [08:11] and make sure to run a dist-upgrade until it doesn't report any upgrades [08:11] then make sure (k)ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-minimal are installed [08:11] and ubuntu-standard [08:11] I ussually upgrade apt and dpkg first [08:12] scotth_: you shouldnt need to. [08:12] old debian advice [08:12] makes sense, though... like in gentoo, always update the toolchain, then portage, then the toolchain again. [08:12] Hobbsee: old habit, has yet to get me into trouble [08:12] then the rest of it. [08:12] it *should* just dist-upgrade cleanly - or fairly cleanly === opopanax knows it's alpha [08:13] in fact, if you do it with a dist-upgrade, and report teh bugs, that'd be very useful [08:13] ran ~x86 in gentoo for 2 years, should be fine. [08:13] but, then again, not a debian guy, so I could get hung up [08:13] actually, kubuntu upgrader will likely fall over [08:13] ok, changing repos. [08:13] there are still some conflicts in kdepim, iirc. i should really fix them. [08:14] (where you can use dpkg -i --force-overwrite as a workaround) === stdin remembers having to do --force-overwrite [08:14] so, i can change feisty to gutsy, feisty-backports to gutsy-backports, so on and so forth, and I should be "fine"? [08:14] stf [08:15] opopanax: gutsy-backports doesnt exist [08:15] and you should be mostly fine. [08:15] keep feisty-backports, then? [08:15] takes a bit of work sometimes, but that's alpha :) [08:15] please file bugs for those overwriting packages, though, if they havent been filed already [08:15] opopanax: no, remove it completely [08:16] gutsy-commercial lives? [08:16] i dont think so, it'll 404 if it doesnt [08:16] kcool [08:17] gutsy-backports exists, but it's empty [08:17] gutsy-commercial isn't open yet === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:18] my current sources.list, for reference: gutsy, gutsy-proposed, gutsy-updates, gutsy-security, gutsy-backports, medibuntu-gutsy, and skype [08:18] gutsy-proposed? [08:18] k, cool. [08:18] thanks [08:18] commended out includes gutsy-commercial, wine, and ivtv === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Ex-Chat"] === opopanax apt-get updates === Frost^ [n=sweiss@89-138-2-39.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:19] I like to have all the official repos in sources.list and anything else in another file in sources.list.d/ [08:19] helps me keep track === IcemanV9 [n=jwvehrs@adsl-75-21-203-111.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Christo] [08:20] g-com 404'd like you said. [08:20] all else succeeded. [08:20] voidmage: skype may fall over. no idea about the state of medibuntu === opopanax dist-upgrade's === Sebastian [n=sb@p5088EF75.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === opopanax begins downloading nearly a gig of updates.... [08:21] i've had luck with skype [08:21] well for now at least [08:21] the repo is "debian stable" [08:21] not sure how long that will last though [08:23] thanks for the groovy assistance-like help. [08:23] and stuff [08:23] see how it goes, and i'll report back. [08:24] pretty standard hardware [08:26] hmm so gutsy has commercial now huh? [08:26] lol never mind === AnAnt [n=anant@217.139.224.194] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:30] Hello, I got a problem in gutsy [08:31] when I pass vga=788, I can't work on virtual console [08:32] I am using a 15.4" laptop === databuddy [n=starz@unaffiliated/databuddy] has joined #ubuntu+1 === masterloki [n=mloki@75.80.5.221] has joined #ubuntu+1 === IntuitiveNipple [n=TJ@alexandros.tjworld.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === databuddy [n=starz@unaffiliated/databuddy] has joined #ubuntu+1 === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.34.48] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:50] guys is somebody or anybody having issues with starting ubuntu, gtk+ refusing to start? [08:52] shirish: just do ctrl+alt+bkspace [08:52] then relog in and its fixed here [08:54] gah - fonts are tiny in gkrellm - the dpi bug is hitting me all ovah ! ;p [08:54] any way to change default font size for gtk apps like gkrellm? === sen3 [n=sen@238.47-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:55] Is the DPI setting correct? [08:56] Oh wait, do you mean GTK1? [08:56] If so, I don't know the answer to that one. [08:58] DanaG: dpi doesnt do anything in general [08:58] The new appearance panel no longer applies changes on the fly. [08:59] Now you have to log out and back in. It's a major regression, in my opinion. [08:59] databuddy: I did the crtl+alt+backspace but it doesn't solve the issues [09:00] shirish: sorry, perhaps i dont understand exactly [09:00] for me gnome would seem to load - but nothing would load ust would have blank desktop [09:00] databuddy: I have uploaded the xsession-errors file http://rapidshare.com/files/45499269/.xsession-errors.html [09:00] i would do that and relog in and i was good - sometimes twice [09:00] databuddy: yup, know that one, but this is a recurring issue, the good thing is I have also xubuntu-desktop installed so i can use stuff === databuddy [n=starz@unaffiliated/databuddy] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:04] well 'solved' my dpi problem - just gotta restart X in between [09:05] DanaG: can you take a look at http://rapidshare.com/files/45499269/.xsession-errors.html [09:05] shirish: dunno the impacts of having both full desktops in - tho you dont typically need the whole thing to use everything - i use k3b in gnome all the time - in fact for linux its the only burning program i use [09:05] databuddy: I like to use both desktops, i have few clients/friends who use xubuntu while some which have ubuntu [09:06] hence the two desktops requirement [09:07] ya [09:07] i dont see anything in that errors log that sticks out - but im no pro sorry [09:08] For text files, use pastebin. [09:08] I've lately found myself having to kill XOrg 3 or 4 times before a login worked. [09:09] I've read somewhere that the "Desktop Effects" panel is what breaks things, so try disabling it there and manually starting compiz at each session, for safety. [09:11] DanaG: ok cool [09:12] ubotu paste [09:12] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [09:13] so DanaG how does one get beryl in gutsy anyway? [09:15] DanaG: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/31633/ === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.34.48] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:23] DanaG: sorry for logging out, my system had got hanged [09:23] Beryl has been superseded by compiz-fusion. [09:24] But you can still install the old Feisty debs of Beryl. [09:24] Just be aware that with everything after 0.1.9999, transparent cube breaks some animations. [09:25] Restarting to Ubuntu now -- I was in Windows. [09:25] DanaG: ok cool, lemme know when you're in [09:25] DanaG: also have you played with tracker, the search engine? === se7en [n=se7enofn@125-24-145-156.adsl.totbb.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === se7en [n=se7enofn@125-24-145-156.adsl.totbb.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:38] Hello, I got a problem in gutsy [09:38] when I pass vga=788, I can't work on virtual console [09:38] I am using a 15.4" laptop === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-238-36-119.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:48] Argh, ntfs-3g doesn't offer a fallback to read-only! === freechelmi_ [n=freechel@peh13-1-82-235-100-231.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === databuddy [n=starz@unaffiliated/databuddy] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ajmorris_ [n=ajmorris@220-253-54-9.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:56] DanaG: welcome back :) [09:56] Oh, that reminds me: there are some updates I haven't installed. [09:57] I always read any changelogs before installing updates, just to see what's new. [10:00] DanaG: how do you read changelogs before installing updates? === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:01] Oh, you use update-manager. [10:01] ah, I know what you mean, I use aptitude hence forgot === shirish [n=shirish@59.95.34.48] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [10:09] finally done downloading, now installing packages. [10:12] the best part of xorg 7.x is the modular architecture. Makes things a lot easier to update; I remember that from gentoo. [10:12] is debian proper still on xfree86? [10:13] i dont think so [10:13] but you can be on xorg and not xorg 7.x [10:18] pwnguin, um, yeah. [10:19] is dapper lts on xorg <7 === matysek [n=matysek@231.Red-88-14-190.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === opopanax is now known as opop === compengi [n=compengi@77.42.136.204] has joined #ubuntu+1 === elkbuntu_ [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:24] yep === matysek [n=matysek@231.Red-88-14-190.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === matysek [n=matysek@231.Red-88-14-190.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ind[y] [n=indy@athedsl-108984.home.otenet.gr] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:36] Where is the dhclient init script? I want to add a flag to dhclient. === matysek [n=matysek@231.Red-88-14-190.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === webjames [n=james@82-46-37-48.cable.ubr01.nail.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:37] ok, dist-upgrade borked. [10:37] on unzoo [10:38] hmmm [10:38] doing an update first [10:38] (I mean, I want to find where is the script that launches dhclient.) === matysek [n=matysek@231.Red-88-14-190.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:42] indy: should be a boot service, but only launched if called for in /etc/network/interfaces [10:42] right? === compengi [n=compengi@77.42.137.221] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:44] opop: Actually, I get tons of messages at boot, from NetworkManager (at the TTYs), and I want to disable these messages. I suppose dhclient prints them, so I want to find the script that launches it, and add the -q flag to dhclient. [10:48] try ifup [10:48] that might contain it. [10:48] sorry, not super-familiar with the debian boot process yet. [10:49] opop: ok. thanks. [10:49] what's dhcdbd? [10:50] Actually I found dhclient's configuration file. Can I add a flag to dhclient from there? [10:50] man dhclient [10:50] or dhclient.conf [10:52] oh, the new sudo dialog is kinda nice [10:52] there's no script-name in /etc/ containing the name dhclient, if that helps. === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu+1 === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Ex-Chat"] === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [10:54] opop: I found /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf but I don't know how to tell it to add a flag to dhclient, every time it starts. [10:55] are you sure you want to? [10:57] -q is just quiet, right? [10:57] Yes [10:57] But how can I add this flag (I don't start dhclient manually)? [10:57] i would think a lot of output from dhclient would be bug-related, wouldn't you? [10:58] something you'd want to resolve, not muzzle. [10:58] you'd have to find the script that's calling it. [10:58] opop: Actually, -q quiets the non-bug-related messages. [10:58] Only the info ones. === compengi_ [n=compengi@77.42.136.84] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:59] opop: I know, that's what I am saying from the begining :P [10:59] ifup is in binary, so you really can't edit that. [10:59] getcha [10:59] Sorry? [10:59] gotcha [10:59] (I bet you found it) [10:59] /etc/init.d/networking doesn't call it directly. [10:59] no, didn't find it. [10:59] :P [11:00] opop: I suppose that someone here knows it. There are many developers here, after all. [11:01] yah. [11:01] sorry i couldn't help. pretty sure ifup calls it, though. [11:01] opop: OK, never mind. Thanks a lot, though :-) === CodeImp [n=dont@s55910c2b.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === compengi [n=compengi@77.42.136.84] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Toma- [n=e17@210-84-16-225.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === timfrost [n=timfrost@125-238-36-119.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ajmorris_ [n=ajmorris@220-253-54-9.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:14] bad image index on synaptic and eog, any ideas? === ajmorris_ [n=ajmorris@220-253-54-9.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === nysosym [n=nysosym@p54B7A7E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:20] ok, great, just a bad file. it's gone now. [11:21]