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| geser | bryce: I added a patch to bug #128791. Can you test it out if it helps you further? | 12:31 |
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| ubotu | Launchpad bug 128791 in displayconfig-gtk "FTBFS ImportError: No module named distutils_extra" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128791 | 12:31 |
| bryce | geser: cool will do | 12:31 |
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| bryce | patch applied ok; building now | 12:37 |
| bryce | cool | 12:41 |
| bryce | I had to `touch Changelog`, but then it built | 12:41 |
| bryce | ion_: I wonder if this is similar to your issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/126425 | 12:47 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 126425 in xorg-server "[Fixed] Intel driver (using EXA) crashes system when starting compiz" [Undecided,New] | 12:47 |
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| Amaranth | iwj: I've been informed that xephyr cannot do accelerated glx but was told to check out glxproxy instead http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/xserver.git;a=tree;f=hw/dmx/glxProxy | 02:04 |
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| Chipzz | capiira: dash is the default shell used for scripts (which use #!/bin/sh or #!/bin/dash), bash is the default shell for users | 02:22 |
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| capiira | thank you :) | 02:23 |
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| Roundy | this might be the wrong place to ask | 05:25 |
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| archaios7 | Evening everyone; if I wanted to help out on some developing for Kubuntu/KDE would I be better served by learning Ruby instead of Python? I've already started Python because it's recommended for Ubuntu, but I hear Ruby is better supported for QT4? | 05:57 |
| TheMuso | archaios7: Python is very much preferred round here. | 06:00 |
| TheMuso | Just abot all tools/utils written for Ubuntu have been written in Python. | 06:00 |
| archaios7 | Even Kubuntu? | 06:00 |
| TheMuso | Yes. | 06:00 |
| archaios7 | Swell. | 06:00 |
| archaios7 | Good to hear then; cause I'd rather not start over with another language at this point. | 06:00 |
| archaios7 | Yet, that is. | 06:01 |
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| alesan | do you have any idea how to resolve the urgent bug that when inserting a USB key it gets assigned to a random user instead of all users in the plugdev group? | 11:20 |
| alesan | is there any way to configure this behaviour? | 11:20 |
| Treenaks | alesan: it gets assigned to the user currently logged in locally | 11:22 |
| alesan | Treenaks, unfortunately not, it's random | 11:23 |
| alesan | and the other users on the other displays get an error message not being able to access the device | 11:23 |
| alesan | I have a multiuser system with 7 separate displays | 11:23 |
| alesan | one of those displays (:0.0) is the local video/key/mouse | 11:24 |
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| alesan | the others are added using a particular PCI device that adds other 6 vga/key/mouse | 11:24 |
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| alesan | I would really like to change the default mount options but I have no idea where to look for | 11:25 |
| alesan | I grepped everything but I do not happen to find anything useful :( | 11:25 |
| IntuitiveNipple | alesan: Check out /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi | 11:29 |
| alesan | thanks | 11:30 |
| alesan | well | 11:30 |
| alesan | :( this does not seem what I need | 11:30 |
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| pitti | hey seb128 | 11:41 |
| seb128 | hello pitti | 11:44 |
| seb128 | pitti: what do you there on a saturday? ;) | 11:44 |
| pitti | seb128: poor wheather :) | 11:45 |
| pitti | seb128: same question for you | 11:45 |
| seb128 | it's raining here as well :/ | 11:45 |
| pitti | seb128: I just reviewed Neil Horman's kernel patches for core_pattern improvements (IOW: getting apport to work on upstream kernel) | 11:45 |
| seb128 | and I had some rarian questions for upstream so I've decided to start IRC ;) | 11:45 |
| seb128 | does it look good? | 11:46 |
| pitti | seb128: they aren't too far from our's, but he uses core_pattern macros instead of environment variables | 11:46 |
| pitti | that's harder to implement, but a bit nicer to use | 11:46 |
| pitti | and I don't care much either way | 11:46 |
| seb128 | so you are going to switch to the upstream way? | 11:48 |
| alesan | seb128, I hope I'm not mixing up nicknames, but yesterday I've been told that you could possibly help me on this gnome-volume-manager thing... | 11:48 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, as soon as it's committed upstream, I'll ask BenC to pull those patches and change apport | 11:49 |
| alesan | I basically have many displays other than the "console" and, if I insert a USB stick, its contents will appear on a random display and the device will be mounted with random uid | 11:49 |
| alesan | the other display will show an error message | 11:49 |
| seb128 | alesan: you probably want to speak to pitti about g-v-m | 11:49 |
| pitti | alesan: didn't we discuss this yesterday already? | 11:50 |
| alesan | pitti, seb128 ok thank you :) to begin with | 11:50 |
| alesan | pitti, yes we did but, while I manages to "get around" the problem, I only made a ugly script that is not going to really solve the problem | 11:50 |
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| alesan | right now I stop g-v-m to start in the session by commenting in out from /usr/share/gnome/default.session | 11:52 |
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| alesan | and, in /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-volume-manager.desktop I changed the "Exec" to a script that checks the $DISPLAY variable and only starts g-v-m --sm-disable if it is :0.0 | 11:52 |
| alesan | I see no other way to fix the "random display" thing. | 11:53 |
| Amaranth | err, won't that make gnome-volume-manager only work for the first user? | 11:53 |
| alesan | moreover, I'd really like to be able to configure the uid or gui mount options. any idea where to look? | 11:53 |
| seb128 | Amaranth: why? it should work for the user having the foreground | 11:53 |
| seb128 | no? | 11:54 |
| Amaranth | seb128: checking for :0.0 means it'll only work for the first X server | 11:54 |
| alesan | seb128, "having the foreground" means "random" on a multi user system with many displays | 11:54 |
| seb128 | alesan: right, but there is no easy way to solve this problem | 11:54 |
| alesan | Amaranth, yes that's the best option I've encountered so far | 11:54 |
| Amaranth | yeah, if you run multiseat i'm not really sure how that could work | 11:55 |
| alesan | seb128, it seems on fedora they check soem /var/xxx/console file to start g-v-m only for that session on the console (first X server) | 11:55 |
| Amaranth | ConsoleKit | 11:55 |
| alesan | what is that? | 11:56 |
| alesan | there is no such package with similar name as I can see... | 11:58 |
| alesan | do you have at least idea how to let g-v-m mount with gid=plugdev instead of uid=USER ? | 11:58 |
| pitti | alesan: it entered gutsy a few days ago | 11:58 |
| Amaranth | alesan: "ConsoleKit is a framework for keeping track of the various users, sessions, and seats present on a system." | 11:58 |
| pitti | alesan: you can change the group in the 'drive' or 'volume' properties tab | 11:58 |
| alesan | pitti, after the device is mounted? | 12:00 |
| pitti | alesan: no, before | 12:00 |
| alesan | mh | 12:00 |
| pitti | alesan: well, mount the device, change options, mount it again | 12:00 |
| alesan | mh | 12:00 |
| pitti | 'k, gotta go, cu later | 12:00 |
| alesan | there are schools in Macedonia that are going to install this system for thousands of users :( this solution is not really simple | 12:01 |
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| alesan | what I do not understand, are the generic mount option of g-v-m hardcoded? isn't there a place to configure? | 12:08 |
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| seb128 | alesan: for what sort of device do you want to change the settings? | 12:11 |
| alesan | a normal USB stick | 12:11 |
| seb128 | alesan: what filesystem? | 12:11 |
| alesan | I suppose the most common are vfat or so | 12:12 |
| seb128 | alesan: try gconf-editor, /system/storage/defaults_options | 12:12 |
| alesan | I am preparing a system to be deployed in schools | 12:12 |
| seb128 | you can change the gnome-mount options | 12:12 |
| alesan | so I should be as generic as possible | 12:12 |
| seb128 | alesan: saturday is not the best day to get replies though, a good part of the distribution team doesn't IRC during the WE | 12:12 |
| alesan | yes :( I know | 12:13 |
| seb128 | maybe you should mail ubuntu-devel-discuss | 12:13 |
| alesan | unfortunately it seems I have to find a solution before monday otherwise the deploy could be delayed | 12:13 |
| alesan | ok | 12:13 |
| seb128 | try changing the gconf keys where I indicated | 12:14 |
| alesan | ok | 12:14 |
| alesan | thank you it seems that's what I need | 12:16 |
| seb128 | you're welcome | 12:16 |
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| alesan | umask on mount has a "complementary" meaning right? umask=000 should give full access to everybody | 12:21 |
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| _wattazoum_ | hello | 01:27 |
| _wattazoum_ | newbie needs help : I am finalising an application that can be runnable by root and by simple user. I want to add a menu entry for user at "Applications->system tools"(for non root users) and "system->Administration " (for root ) . how can I ? | 01:27 |
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| Kmos | seb128: can you look at ubuntu-archive ? =) I don't like to bother you.. :) | 01:29 |
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| seb128 | Kmos: what is the hurry? | 01:41 |
| seb128 | _wattazoum_: have a different .desktop for each entry | 01:41 |
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| _wattazoum_ | seb128: thank you, so I 'll have 2 desktop entry , but how to specify the location in the menu ? | 01:42 |
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| seb128 | _wattazoum_: Categories= | 01:43 |
| _wattazoum_ | seb128: Great , you're a great help , thank you very much | 01:43 |
| seb128 | you're welcome | 01:43 |
| _wattazoum_ | :) | 01:43 |
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| geser | Hi Hobbsee | 01:48 |
| mr_pouit | could someone make a give-back for thunar-thumbnailers (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar-thumbnailers/0.2.2-0ubuntu1)? it seems it ftbfs some time ago on some arches because of hal failing to install. | 01:49 |
| seb128 | mr_pouit: I doubt it's fixed, nautilus-cd-burner uploaded this morning fails due to hal also | 01:51 |
| Hobbsee | hiya seb128 | 01:53 |
| === Hobbsee wonders why seb128 is working | ||
| mr_pouit | seb128: damn, ok :] | 01:53 |
| seb128 | hello Hobbsee | 01:53 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: I try not, I was just cleaning some things because I want to get them landing before next tribe | 01:53 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: ahhh. of which the work starts...on friday, or something | 01:54 |
| === Hobbsee wonders who the release manager is for said tribe. | ||
| seb128 | maybe none? ;) | 01:54 |
| Hobbsee | heh. bet you'd like that | 01:55 |
| StevenK | Oh, that'll go well. :-P | 01:55 |
| seb128 | well, I think we could manage to fix issues and do testing, etc in a team organised way if required | 01:55 |
| seb128 | we still need somebody to kick CD builds, etc though | 01:55 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: and does require someone to organise the team, and make sure it's working, and doesnt fall over | 01:56 |
| elkbuntu | Hobbsee, volunteers! | 01:56 |
| Hobbsee | elkbuntu: i suspect you may not find any | 01:56 |
| elkbuntu | no, im volunteering you | 01:56 |
| Hobbsee | no, no, i did the last one. | 01:57 |
| Hobbsee | i have uni this time around. | 01:57 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: well, I think we have people responsible enough in the team to get something working | 01:57 |
| Hobbsee | it's a heck of a lot of work - doesnt make sense for canonical to rely on volunteers to do it | 01:57 |
| Hobbsee | although i'd like to :P | 01:57 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: oh good | 01:57 |
| Hobbsee | (well, with pitti, i did the last one) | 01:57 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: it's just less efficient | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: true | 01:58 |
| seb128 | and it's good to have somebody making sure issues are assigned to somebody | 01:58 |
| === realist twiddles thumbs | ||
| seb128 | and we need somebody dealing with the CD building and archive freeze and publisher | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | realist: is offering? | 01:58 |
| realist | I would, if I knew what exactly was involved | 01:59 |
| === realist is completely unqualified for the tast | ||
| realist | s/tast/task/ | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | realist: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MilestoneProcess :P | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | there's a list. | 02:00 |
| elkbuntu | realist, a cat'o'9 come in handy | 02:00 |
| realist | I see, it's a project management type role :-) | 02:01 |
| Hobbsee | elkbuntu: indeed! | 02:01 |
| realist | Surely ubuntu isn't short of a release manager!? | 02:01 |
| Hobbsee | realist: the current one is getting married, and therefore going on leave. | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | no idea when the transition happens | 02:02 |
| realist | I honestly like to help, but don't have an existing relationship with ubuntu developers. | 02:04 |
| === Hobbsee shrugs | ||
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| Hobbsee | realist: if you are interested in helping in bits, i believe there are some areas. | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | you'd probably have to ask during the week, i guess | 02:06 |
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| _wattazoum_ | me again :-) ; how comes some entries in the "System->Admin" menu (eg. synaptic) are visible only by sudoers and not by others (whyle nothing seems to be specifying this in the .desktop file) ? | 02:17 |
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| mdke | _wattazoum_: because there is no reason to display applications to users who cannot use them | 02:55 |
| _wattazoum_ | yep , but how do I make this for my application ? | 02:55 |
| geser | I'd guess it's done with Categories | 02:56 |
| _wattazoum_ | mdke: I would like to make a menu entry that is only usable by sudoers | 02:56 |
| _wattazoum_ | well, I have looked at synaptic.desktop and find nothing that would mean that in Categories | 02:57 |
| _wattazoum_ | thank you geser , mdke for helping me out | 02:58 |
| mdke | there is likely to be a specification on the wiki about how we did it, hang on | 02:58 |
| mdke | _wattazoum_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HideAdminToolsToUsers | 03:00 |
| _wattazoum_ | WOW | 03:00 |
| _wattazoum_ | mdke: This is efficient | 03:01 |
| === _wattazoum_ is looking at it | ||
| mdke | :) | 03:01 |
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| _wattazoum_ | hum, well, the "X-KDE-SubstituteUID = true" option is quite confusing :-/ | 03:03 |
| _wattazoum_ | but that was the solution | 03:03 |
| _wattazoum_ | mdke: I owe you one :-) | 03:03 |
| mdke | np. | 03:04 |
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| === mdke waves back, and notes that "flavour" is a spelling lent to Australia by the English | ||
| mdke | we can take it back at any time | 03:04 |
| _wattazoum_ | :p | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | mdke: i thought it may have been. i used to speak to people mainly in the US, rather than mainly in England, where they would keep telling me that I was spelling flavour wrong. | 03:06 |
| mdke | lies | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | exactly | 03:07 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: At which point you say, "Sorry, I don't speak American." | 03:08 |
| Hobbsee | heh :) | 03:08 |
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| realist | mdke: probably because we speak English, in Australia :-) | 03:33 |
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| realist | I still get the irrits, when I see things like "color" in config files | 03:34 |
| thom | i'm not sure you can claim to speak English and then say "irrits" | 03:35 |
| thom | :P | 03:35 |
| realist | thom: that was colloquial ;p | 03:40 |
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| Ng | hmm | 03:51 |
| Ng | anyone know what PPA means when a package fails to upload? afaics it built fine | 03:51 |
| StevenK | Launchpad failed to fiddle it to move it into the accepted queue. A buildd admin can twiddle in. | 03:52 |
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| StevenK | Er, twiddle it in | 03:52 |
| Ng | hmm | 03:54 |
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| Ng | technically I'm a buildd admin, but I don't want to go poking around ;) | 03:54 |
| Ng | StevenK: thanks | 03:54 |
| Amaranth | Who is Matthew Nuzum? | 03:58 |
| elkbuntu | Amaranth, newz2000 | 03:58 |
| Amaranth | Never heard of him | 03:59 |
| elkbuntu | that's because he hides well | 03:59 |
| Amaranth | But he is surprisingly bad at filing bug reports | 03:59 |
| Amaranth | Does he hide out in #canonical only or something? | 04:00 |
| Ng | he's in #canonical-sysadmin at least (although probably not awake right now) | 04:01 |
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| _wattazoum_ | mdke: are you available ? | 04:05 |
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| _wattazoum_ | I would like to propose my software to Ubuntu repositories , can someone point me to the right direction ? | 04:06 |
| seb128 | _wattazoum_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New | 04:12 |
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| _wattazoum_ | Thank you seb128 ( how do you find docs so easily ? ) | 04:13 |
| seb128 | _wattazoum_: you're welcome | 04:13 |
| seb128 | wiki is easy to use, I search pages with "new" in the title ;) | 04:13 |
| seb128 | and then I looked for "package" | 04:13 |
| _wattazoum_ | lol | 04:13 |
| _wattazoum_ | well, next time I'll take more time to find :-) or use simpler requests | 04:14 |
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| IntuitiveNipple | Do we have any gnome VFS programmers in? | 04:19 |
| bhale | you probably want #gnome-hackers or possibly #gnomevfs on irc.gnome.org | 04:20 |
| IntuitiveNipple | yeah, I probably do... I was trying to avoid switching nets :) | 04:20 |
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| siretart | asac: is the broken .pc file in firefox still on your radar? | 07:49 |
| asac | either its fixed in my bzr branch ... or i dropped it | 07:50 |
| asac | lets see | 07:50 |
| asac | siretart: did the compatibility link trick work for you? | 07:51 |
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| siretart | asac: sorry? | 07:51 |
| siretart | asac: I'm talking about bug #112818, btw | 07:51 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 112818 in firefox "wrong pkgconfig dependencies break builds" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112818 | 07:51 |
| asac | siretart: that bug whould be there | 07:52 |
| asac | siretart: its not a bug iirc | 07:53 |
| siretart | asac: sorry? | 07:53 |
| siretart | how can this possibly be not a bug? | 07:53 |
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| siretart | the .pc file specifies this as Cflags: -I/usr/include/firefox/nspr | 07:54 |
| siretart | However, /usr/include/firefox/nspr does not exist. This breaks e.g. gxine build | 07:54 |
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| CompleteNoob | is there anyone online that can pvt me, and with great patience explain to me how to get started in development/coding? | 07:55 |
| alesan_ | what are the necessary steps do build a custom version of ubuntu. I mean, I would like to add some software and drivers on the live CD | 07:55 |
| alesan_ | I guess there is a svn and a script to prepare the ISO image | 07:56 |
| asac | siretart: the firefox-nspr.pc file is obsolete | 07:56 |
| asac | siretart: thus the compatibility link to /usr/include/nspr/nspr.pc | 07:57 |
| asac | e.g. thats the solution | 07:57 |
| asac | ... which i asked you to test ... or someone else a few days ago | 07:57 |
| asac | but never received an answer | 07:57 |
| asac | i will do that now in bzr branch | 07:57 |
| siretart | asac: since thre is nothing about that question in lp, I'd think you confuse me with so. else | 07:58 |
| asac | sure | 07:58 |
| siretart | asac: can you then perhaps look at fixing the gxine package? | 07:58 |
| asac | i think so too | 07:58 |
| asac | what is the issue? | 07:58 |
| siretart | asac: in debian, it is built against xulrunner, and now I'm quite confused how to fix it in ubuntu | 07:58 |
| siretart | asac: as said in the bugreport, it FTBFS, because it uses firefox-nspr.pc | 07:59 |
| asac | siretart: if you want to try ... just rm firefox-nspr.pc and firefox-nss.pc and create links to the nss/nspr files instead | 08:00 |
| asac | maybe it just works then | 08:00 |
| asac | if not i can look | 08:00 |
| ivoks | out of nowhere, why don't we chgrp to dialout on pap|chap-secrets? with rw for group? | 08:00 |
| siretart | asac: I do not know the firefox source at all. not sure how much time it will take for me to figure out what you exacly mean :) | 08:01 |
| asac | siretart: no i mean | 08:03 |
| asac | just in install | 08:03 |
| asac | remove the firefox-nspr.pc that is installed | 08:03 |
| asac | and replace it with nspr.pc | 08:03 |
| CompleteNoob | asac: if i wanted to write a 'hello world' for ubuntu...where would i start? what IDE/compiler etc would i use? | 08:05 |
| CompleteNoob | i'm VERY new to programming | 08:05 |
| asac | CompleteNoob: its not really ubuntu specific | 08:07 |
| asac | e.g. more linux/unix | 08:07 |
| asac | in general: use and editor + the compiler of your choice | 08:07 |
| siretart | CompleteNoob: this channel is not about general development, but development of ubuntu. you should try a more focused channel | 08:07 |
| CompleteNoob | sirestart, could u reccomend a chan i could check out? | 08:08 |
| asac | CompleteNoob: go to a channel dedicated for the programming language you want to use | 08:08 |
| CompleteNoob | ok, thank you | 08:09 |
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| siretart | asac: I did now as you told me, firefox-nspr.pc -> nspr.pc and firefox-nss.pc -> nss.pc, and gxine builds again | 10:37 |
| asac | perfect | 10:40 |
| asac | siretart: thanks | 10:40 |
| asac | let me do it here | 10:40 |
| asac | siretart: https://code.launchpad.net/~asac/firefox/ubuntu-2.0.0.x | 10:52 |
| siretart | asac: cool. so we need just not forget to let gxine given back after the next upload | 10:55 |
| asac | well ... maybe add gxine to the bug? | 10:56 |
| siretart | it is already mentioned in the bug | 10:57 |
| siretart | it just needs to be given back, no new upload necessary | 10:57 |
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| cassus | hi | 11:24 |
| cassus | where did the #ubuntu-boot chanel disappeared? | 11:24 |
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| mdke | is bogofilter the preferred spam filtering program nowadays, rather than spamassassin (i see the latter is in universe)? | 11:26 |
| cassus | ok, never mind | 11:27 |
| cassus | bye | 11:27 |
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| pygi | hey folks | 11:58 |
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