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| acm | hallo. anybody is up who read the ubuntu-devel mailinglist? so, i would like to know some more detail about "branch for the team or each debian directory". what's include in the debian directory? | 02:44 |
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| acm | only changes of the debian upstream or changes in ubuntu upstream and debian? | 02:45 |
| LaserJock | the actual debian/ directory | 02:45 |
| LaserJock | which holds all the packaging information | 02:45 |
| acm | the actual debian/ dir can also be called upstream? | 02:46 |
| LaserJock | well, kinda | 02:47 |
| LaserJock | Debian is upstream for most Ubuntu packages | 02:48 |
| LaserJock | but upstream is also the actual software authors | 02:48 |
| acm | ah ok. also for gutsy? | 02:48 |
| LaserJock | yes for gutsy | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | so you have to often look at the context of the statement to figure out what "upstream" is being talked about | 02:50 |
| acm | so network-manager confuse me looking at https://code.launchpad.net/network-manager/. which is upstream for the current developing of gutsy? one of the ubuntu core dev-team? | 02:51 |
| LaserJock | no | 02:51 |
| LaserJock | upstream is where we get the packaging/software from | 02:51 |
| crimsun | (https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/network-manager/main) | 02:52 |
| LaserJock | acm: the "main" branch is the vcs import | 02:53 |
| LaserJock | that's the code that comes from the authors | 02:53 |
| LaserJock | then it looks like upstream.0.6.x branch holds the released source code form the Network Manager authors | 02:55 |
| LaserJock | and the other "Ubuntu Core Development Team" branches hold our source package | 02:55 |
| acm | everybody who develop patches does not apply to this branch? | 02:56 |
| LaserJock | so basically upstream + debian/ directory | 02:56 |
| acm | ah | 02:56 |
| acm | ok | 02:56 |
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| LaserJock | well, if the person is a member of the Core Development team they can make changes to that branch | 02:56 |
| LaserJock | otherwise they need to get somebody to merge it in for them | 02:57 |
| acm | yes. thats clear. | 02:57 |
| acm | ' | 02:57 |
| LaserJock | sometimes the Ubuntu branches will just be the debian/ directory and sometimes it's the whole source package | 02:58 |
| acm | so upstream.0.6.x would be the right source package (for network-manager) to make changes that could be included in the next ubuntu release 7.10 | 03:01 |
| LaserJock | no | 03:01 |
| LaserJock | upstream.0.6.x has just the upstream source | 03:01 |
| LaserJock | I think ubuntu.0.6.x would be the one to make changes in | 03:02 |
| LaserJock | or gnome.ubuntu.0.6.x if it's for the gnome applet package | 03:03 |
| LaserJock | at least that's how it looks to me | 03:03 |
| acm | :) | 03:03 |
| acm | ok thanks | 03:04 |
| acm | last question :). what is about the branch of Alexander Sack? | 03:06 |
| LaserJock | that is his personal branch | 03:06 |
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| asac | you can use ubuntu.0.6.x to do changes | 05:54 |
| asac | for nm | 05:54 |
| asac | but please use the patch system | 05:54 |
| asac | OTOH, just modifying the tree and use the diff of those trees to create the patch might be quite efficient :) | 05:55 |
| asac | lamont: acm ^^ | 05:56 |
| asac | lamont: unping | 05:56 |
| calc | asac: here? | 07:01 |
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| Fujitsu | ] ] ] \ | 07:57 |
| Fujitsu | Oops. | 07:57 |
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| superm1 | does anyone know what package creates the initial /etc/X11/default-display-manager? | 08:26 |
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| superm1 | it's appearing that its got a problem of setting the wrong contents for a fresh install from debootstrap for gdm | 08:26 |
| stdin | probably your ?DM package | 08:26 |
| superm1 | alright i'll pull the gdm sources and check there then. thanks | 08:26 |
| stdin | reconfiguring gdm would rewrite it | 08:26 |
| superm1 | its a matter of /usr/bin/ or /usr/sbin | 08:27 |
| superm1 | and it's taking the wrong of the two | 08:27 |
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| superm1 | it does appear to be a bug that was introduced, in seb128's absence, could someone else on core-dev sponsor bug 129017 then? | 08:58 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 129017 in gdm "incorrect gdm/daemon_name template" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129017 | 08:58 |
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| siretart | superm1: I've seen that bug on a friends laptop as well! | 09:32 |
| superm1 | siretart, i wasn't sure what it was at first, i've been seeing it in my daily mythbuntu builds | 09:32 |
| superm1 | and just got annoyed enough that it needed to be figured out :) | 09:33 |
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| fabbione | hey guys | 09:47 |
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| siretart | hi fabbione | 09:59 |
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| revilodraw | hi, i just got banned from #ubuntu for making a joke that wasnt even bad... how do i get unbanned? | 11:41 |
| stdin | revilodraw: #ubuntu-ops | 11:41 |
| elkbuntu | revilodraw, i have private messaged you. please join #ubuntu-ops or register to continue the discussion | 11:42 |
| === pitti NEWs the new kernel | ||
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| geser | seb128: thanks for processing sync request on a saturday night | 11:59 |
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| seb128 | geser: you're welcome ;) | 12:27 |
| seb128 | geser: I was quickly looking on something and I figured I would do the syncs in the same time since there was not so many of them | 12:28 |
| Hobbsee | heya seb128 | 12:29 |
| === pitti hugs Hobbsee | ||
| === Hobbsee hugs pitti! :D | ||
| Hobbsee | didnt know you were here today :) | 12:30 |
| seb128 | hey Hobbsee | 12:30 |
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| GyrosGeier | doko, better channel. :-) | 01:02 |
| GyrosGeier | doko, currently the libssp-default patch is applied if the host is Ubuntu | 01:03 |
| GyrosGeier | doko, it might make sense to switch that to "target is Ubuntu" | 01:04 |
| GyrosGeier | doko, or, alternatively, to not patch this into the compiler but rather modify the specs file after the fact, as I do with uclibc-toolchain | 01:04 |
| doko | we don't have a configuration for a "target distribution" | 01:04 |
| GyrosGeier | which is why option 2 sounds more sane to me | 01:05 |
| GyrosGeier | would you be interested in a patch that does that? | 01:06 |
| doko | that doesn't help for building the compiler itself | 01:07 |
| GyrosGeier | it does if the target libc does not have libssp built in | 01:07 |
| GyrosGeier | because after stage 2, -fstack-protector is in effect (as it should be), but libssp is not built yet | 01:08 |
| GyrosGeier | hmm# | 01:08 |
| GyrosGeier | wait | 01:08 |
| GyrosGeier | I see what you mean | 01:08 |
| GyrosGeier | right, it doesn't help | 01:09 |
| GyrosGeier | so what would be needed is either building libssp first | 01:09 |
| GyrosGeier | (I think it should be safe to build libssp with ssp enabled, but I need to check) | 01:10 |
| GyrosGeier | or build-depending on the target libssp for cross builds | 01:10 |
| GyrosGeier | (which would also require checking whether libc provides libssp, and adding -lssp to the default libs if not) | 01:12 |
| mdke | seb128: hiya. Saw your post about bzr. Were you thinking of including gnome-user-docs in the move? I've arranged a vcs-import of svn trunk at https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/gnome-user-docs/trunk, and would be interested in finding out how to use it to make some ubuntu-specific changes and maybe host the packaging | 01:15 |
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| mdke | seb128: I was going to start reading the docs on the wiki about maintaining packages in bzr, would be grateful for your input | 01:16 |
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| seb128 | mdke: I'm not an expert about packaging in bzr, I'm trying to get some ideas on the topic | 02:03 |
| mdke | seb128: ok, I'll follow the thread. I've read the wiki page, it's pretty difficult to understand the best way to do it | 02:03 |
| seb128 | mdke: I don't think having gnome-user-docs in ubuntu-desktop is a good idea, we will give commit access to the people of the team and I don't think the same group of people will work on it | 02:03 |
| mdke | seb128: right | 02:03 |
| mdke | so ~ubuntu-docs then, I guess | 02:04 |
| seb128 | right | 02:05 |
| seb128 | for the documentation is might make sense to have everything in bzr and not only the debian dir | 02:05 |
| mdke | I was thinking the same. That would allow us to customise the docs directly rather than write patches | 02:05 |
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| mdke | seb128: but I don't know how that would work with Debian changes (if there are some) | 02:05 |
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| seb128 | mdke: you would have a debian branch and an ubuntu one and merge when there is an update | 02:12 |
| mdke | seb128: you mean a branch for the debian directory and merge from Debian upstream, and a branch for ubuntu with the documents and merge from Gnome upstream? | 02:14 |
| seb128 | not trivial with the 3 versions, I'm not the best person to ask | 02:15 |
| seb128 | maybe mail ubuntu-devel-discuss about it | 02:15 |
| mdke | sorry if I'm being slow, i've never used bzr | 02:15 |
| mdke | ok thanks | 02:15 |
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| pygi | hey seb128 | 03:32 |
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| seb128 | hi pygi | 03:32 |
| pygi | seb128, in a few days, all brasero-related functionality bugs will be closed, yay :) | 03:32 |
| seb128 | cool | 03:33 |
| pygi | I've saw you uploaded experimental patch for n-c-b | 03:33 |
| pygi | s/saw/seen | 03:35 |
| seb128 | pygi: "experimental"? | 03:35 |
| seb128 | pygi: I don't think there is anything experimental in the ncb patches, is it? | 03:36 |
| pygi | seb128, I meant not tested :) | 03:36 |
| seb128 | do you insinuate that I don't test changes before uploading? | 03:37 |
| pygi | ergh, no | 03:37 |
| pygi | when did I say that? | 03:37 |
| seb128 | I don't know where you want to go but you should better ask directly your question if there is one | 03:37 |
| seb128 | "I meant not tested" | 03:37 |
| pygi | no question, just saying I saw the upload | 03:37 |
| seb128 | k | 03:37 |
| pygi | sorry if you got it any other way | 03:37 |
| seb128 | and why do you think it's not tested? | 03:37 |
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| seb128 | I did test it! | 03:38 |
| pygi | oh well, then not in upstream tree yet :P | 03:38 |
| seb128 | right | 03:38 |
| seb128 | I knew that | 03:38 |
| === pygi should better stop talking | ||
| seb128 | are you just pointing it, or do you have any comment about that patch? ;) | 03:38 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure where you want to go | 03:39 |
| pygi | seb128, I didn't had the time to look at the patch =) | 03:39 |
| pygi | well, nowhere really :P | 03:39 |
| seb128 | k | 03:39 |
| pygi | Just saying I saw the upload :) | 03:39 |
| seb128 | because I also uploaded a GTK+ patch today | 03:39 |
| pygi | Nice to see some fixes =) | 03:39 |
| seb128 | ;) | 03:39 |
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| pygi | ergh, even the upgrade didn't go well | 03:42 |
| pygi | o well, lets see what a reboot will say | 03:43 |
| pygi | brb | 03:43 |
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| soren | iwj: Do you have an opinion on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=421344 ? | 08:30 |
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| asac | calc: you still need me? | 09:16 |
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| calc | asac: i was just going to ask how the wifi stuff was progressing | 09:22 |
| asac | well ... for ipw we have not yet founda solution | 09:22 |
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| asac | we know that the reason is that assocation on driver level appears to take ages | 09:22 |
| calc | asac: oh? | 09:23 |
| calc | asac: so its a driver issue? | 09:23 |
| asac | well at least wpa supplicant doesn't do anything in the meantime | 09:23 |
| asac | well wpasupplicant might be able to deal better with disassociate events from driver | 09:23 |
| asac | i need to get some ipw hardware | 09:23 |
| calc | hmm ok | 09:24 |
| asac | otherwise, I cannot really proceed | 09:24 |
| calc | from what i have been told the driver in feisty and gutsy is the same revision | 09:24 |
| calc | so if something changed it would have to be outside the driver that caused it to show up, if there is a bug in the driver | 09:24 |
| asac | hmm at least for 2100: | 09:25 |
| asac | (gutsy)asac@hector:~$ apt-cache show ipw2100-source | grep Version | 09:25 |
| asac | Version: 1.2.2-2 | 09:25 |
| asac | asac@hector:~$ apt-cache show ipw2100-source | grep Version | 09:25 |
| asac | Version: 1.2.1-2 | 09:25 |
| asac | second one is feisty | 09:25 |
| calc | hmm yea | 09:25 |
| asac | for ieee80211-source its the same version | 09:25 |
| asac | Version: 1.1.6-4 | 09:25 |
| calc | BenC: said the 3945 driver was the same in both | 09:25 |
| asac | yeah is probably right then | 09:26 |
| calc | though i haven't verified that myself | 09:26 |
| asac | maybe you or stgraber can test feisty wpasupplicant in gutsy ... like we did back a few days | 09:26 |
| asac | and see if time till assocation goes down | 09:26 |
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| calc | yea, i'll try to remember to look into that tomorrow, i'm pretty busy today :\ | 09:27 |
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| ScottK | calc: Any word on OOO refusing to start? | 09:27 |
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| calc | ScottK: it seems to be more widespread than ooo, from what i read on a bug report it appears glib broke abi compatibility without proper versioning | 09:28 |
| calc | it breaks various kde stuff as well from what i recall | 09:28 |
| ScottK | Ah. So it's glib | 09:28 |
| ScottK | Konqueror is suffering with Flash too. | 09:28 |
| calc | ScottK: either glib or gtk, it was a few days ago when i read the bug reports | 09:28 |
| calc | i didn't realize it at the time the reason i probably don't see the issue is i have ooo 2.3 installed on my box | 09:29 |
| ScottK | Well I'd heard gtk, but there's a new one and no change. | 09:29 |
| calc | ScottK: yea its probably glib | 09:29 |
| calc | the ooo bug is attached to glib as well | 09:29 |
| ScottK | OK. | 09:29 |
| ScottK | Sounds like lots of fun. | 09:30 |
| calc | when i finally get 2.3 uploaded it will be resolved for ooo, but breaking abi isn't a good thing, probably breaks other things people haven't reported yet as well | 09:30 |
| nixternal | hehe | 09:30 |
| ScottK | nixternal laughs because he is suffering too. | 09:31 |
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| nixternal | I just found it funny because calc is probably getting asked a few times a day about OOo..I know he breathed a small sigh of relief when he found out the problem was elsewhere :) | 09:31 |
| ScottK | In the scheme of things this isn't so bad. I just had to go get ice for my laptop because of a kernel regression that makes the fan not work. | 09:33 |
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| calc | nixternal: well i knew it had to be elsewhere immediately since i hadn't done an upload in over a week and it just started breaking everywhere, lol | 09:34 |
| Amaranth | Does OOo use some things in gtk that aren't really supposed to be public in order to do its 'integration'? | 09:34 |
| calc | Amaranth: no idea | 09:34 |
| calc | Amaranth: it has a bit of source to look through ~ 3gb worth | 09:35 |
| Amaranth | I know there are some things you can poke at in gtk+ that aren't guaranteed to be API/ABI stable | 09:35 |
| calc | Amaranth: though the fact it is breaking other things as well points towards glib/gtk | 09:35 |
| Amaranth | Might have been the tooltips stuff | 09:35 |
| calc | Amaranth: someone that knows a lot about glib should probably check the diff between when it worked and broke | 09:35 |
| Amaranth | a member in a struct changed name and is always NULL now and some things used that (but shouldn't have) | 09:36 |
| Amaranth | i know it broke pygtk | 09:36 |
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| nixternal | it broke notify-send as well :( | 09:37 |
| calc | Amaranth: ah thats interesting, its possible that the things that broke used the same member | 09:37 |
| calc | if that is the case then 2.3 is fixed | 09:38 |
| calc | because it works fine for me | 09:38 |
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| ScottK | When are you rolling 2.3 out for Gutsy? | 09:38 |
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| calc | asap | 09:38 |
| calc | i'm merging debian/ubuntu debian dir right now and rewriting bits so its easier to keep merged | 09:39 |
| Amaranth | yeah afaik it crashed apps that didn't expect it to be NULL and made them fail to build | 09:39 |
| calc | there is an issue of gcj-4.2 running out of memory during build though so i had to disable java support right now | 09:39 |
| calc | doko: mentioned that it was supposed to be fixed (iirc) | 09:39 |
| doko | calc: it is fixed | 09:43 |
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| calc | doko: i upgraded and it still failed yesterday, i think i will try completely regenerating my chroot then | 09:47 |
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| doko | calc: what version of libc6 do you have? | 09:48 |
| calc | 2.6-4ubuntu2 | 09:48 |
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| doko | calc: that should be ok, maybe work on i386 for now. | 09:55 |
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| calc | doko: i was doing the compile on i386, so i'll try redoing the chroot and building again later tonight | 10:09 |
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