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| marcin_ant | hi | 09:24 |
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| marcin_ant | is there anyone? | 09:24 |
| man-di | hello | 09:27 |
| marcin_ant | man-di: hi | 09:27 |
| marcin_ant | I got a question | 09:27 |
| marcin_ant | I would like to prepare some packages for ubuntu with java software | 09:27 |
| marcin_ant | but I really don't want to compile with gcj | 09:27 |
| marcin_ant | is there any policy for compilation with 'modern' compiler - and sun jdk 1.6 ? | 09:28 |
| man-di | why? | 09:28 |
| man-di | gcj supports the modern compiler | 09:28 |
| man-di | problem with sun jdk ist still that its not free | 09:28 |
| man-di | so if you want to make something depend on it, it needs to go into multiverse | 09:29 |
| marcin_ant | maybe some naming convention to differentiate packages compiled with sun-java6? | 09:29 |
| man-di | just the normal java naming convention | 09:29 |
| marcin_ant | hmm but for example we got: ecj, ecj-gcj | 09:30 |
| man-di | whats the problem with them? | 09:30 |
| marcin_ant | if I want to package ecj but compile it with sun's jdk then how should I name my package? | 09:30 |
| man-di | we have ecj already. what do you want to package it again? | 09:31 |
| man-di | names for packages are independent of the build depends | 09:31 |
| marcin_ant | you got ecj-3.2 and not 3.3 (not in feisty at least) | 09:31 |
| man-di | we have ecj 3.3 in gutsy | 09:31 |
| man-di | if you want it in feisty, do a backport | 09:32 |
| man-di | or an SRU but I doubt this fits an SRU | 09:32 |
| marcin_ant | ok but I want to use sun java not gcj - so what should I do then? | 09:32 |
| man-di | and I wonder what gain do you think this update would be | 09:32 |
| man-di | marcin_ant: chanage the build depends | 09:33 |
| man-di | but this cannot go into Ubuntu | 09:33 |
| man-di | as ecj is in main | 09:33 |
| marcin_ant | yes this is why I ask for naming convention - I don't want to mess with ecj (compiled with gcj) | 09:33 |
| marcin_ant | I just would like to prepare separate package - ecj-sun? ecj-javac? | 09:34 |
| man-di | you dont understand what the ecj-gcj package is | 09:34 |
| man-di | you can just use the ecj pakcage and execute ecj with SUN java | 09:34 |
| man-di | no need for an extra packacge | 09:35 |
| man-di | *-gcj are just packages with native jars | 09:35 |
| man-di | * is for all java runtimes | 09:35 |
| man-di | *-gcj is just an optimization when run with gcj | 09:35 |
| man-di | nothing more | 09:35 |
| man-di | you can run * witg gcj too, its just slower | 09:36 |
| marcin_ant | so there is no difference between ecj-* compiled with gcj and sun's javac? | 09:39 |
| marcin_ant | I mean between ecj.jar? | 09:39 |
| man-di | no, there is not | 09:40 |
| man-di | all other is a bug | 09:41 |
| marcin_ant | ok that's good but to use or build it I need to use all this gcj infrastructure | 09:42 |
| man-di | no | 09:43 |
| marcin_ant | so I need to install gcj packages etc.... and what if I just don't want to install any 'native' compiled packages? and have only sun-java6? | 09:44 |
| man-di | ecj.jar was split into libecj-java package for exactly this usecase | 09:44 |
| man-di | you dont need to install 'native' compiled packages | 09:44 |
| man-di | these are only Recommends | 09:44 |
| marcin_ant | ehh but let's move from ecj to something more complicated | 09:45 |
| marcin_ant | what about eclipse? | 09:45 |
| man-di | same thing | 09:45 |
| man-di | the *-gcj packages are optional | 09:45 |
| man-di | you dont need to install them when you ise SUN JDK | 09:45 |
| marcin_ant | but to build eclipse I need to use gcj right? | 09:45 |
| man-di | right | 09:45 |
| doko | man-di: ping on the ecj package | 09:45 |
| man-di | if you would build-depend on sun jdk we would need to move eclispe to multiverse | 09:46 |
| man-di | doko: pong | 09:46 |
| man-di | doko: I'm currently tryting to catch up on things | 09:46 |
| man-di | doko: my server was down, broken hard disk | 09:46 |
| doko | you told me =) | 09:47 |
| marcin_ant | and... hmm to use eclipse I need to have gcj-4.1-base | 09:47 |
| man-di | marcin_ant: that was a bug that was fixed afaik | 09:47 |
| man-di | marcin_ant: if not please file an issue | 09:47 |
| marcin_ant | man-di: is there any difference in performance between eclipse compiled with gcj and compiled with sun's jdk? | 09:51 |
| man-di | marcin_ant: depends | 09:52 |
| man-di | if you run both with the same VM (e.g. SUN JDK): no | 09:53 |
| man-di | if you run both with gcj: yes, a big difference | 09:53 |
| marcin_ant | man-di: yes I don't want to use gcj at all - but I could use gcj for compilation (but not sure if eclipse 3.3.0 would compile with gcj at all) | 09:54 |
| man-di | it should | 09:54 |
| man-di | but before you can work on eclipse 3.3 we need to get its dependencies into Ubuntu (and Debian) | 09:55 |
| man-di | I'm Eclipse maintainer | 09:55 |
| man-di | doko too | 09:55 |
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| man-di | hehe | 09:57 |
| man-di | doko: the diff looks good | 09:57 |
| man-di | doko: I will do a pbuilder run with it which builds all java packages | 09:57 |
| man-di | doko: I can tell you the result tomorrow | 09:57 |
| doko | man-di: no, the get-source target, and if the sources are ok ... | 09:57 |
| man-di | doko: looks complicated | 09:58 |
| man-di | but ecj is complicated | 09:58 |
| man-di | doko: I love "@echo Press enter for the password" | 10:00 |
| man-di | hehe | 10:00 |
| doko | man-di: I think the rebuild of the java packages is not really needed, tromey used it for rebuilding the libjava .class files | 10:00 |
| man-di | this version? | 10:00 |
| doko | yes | 10:00 |
| marcin_ant | man-di: what dependencies? | 10:00 |
| man-di | or the version downloadable on www.eclipse.org/downloads | 10:00 |
| man-di | marcin_ant: like jetty | 10:02 |
| man-di | debian has a version of jetty, but that is too old and has some security issues | 10:02 |
| marcin_ant | man-di: is this required for eclipse 3.3? | 10:03 |
| man-di | there are more dependencies what exist but miss the manifest stuff for eclipse | 10:03 |
| man-di | yes, for 3.3 | 10:03 |
| man-di | that is one of the reasons 3.3 is not packaged yet | 10:03 |
| marcin_ant | hmm strange.. | 10:03 |
| marcin_ant | but you mean - it's required for eclipse with gcj? | 10:04 |
| man-di | no, for eclipse in general | 10:04 |
| marcin_ant | are you sure that it's absoultely required for eclipse 3.3? | 10:05 |
| man-di | yes | 10:05 |
| marcin_ant | I compiled eclipse 3.3 with sun-java6 on feisty without any problem | 10:05 |
| marcin_ant | and I could run this without issues too | 10:06 |
| man-di | normal eclipse source contains all its dependecies | 10:07 |
| man-di | to get it into the archive we remove them all to make sure we do clean builds | 10:07 |
| man-di | doko: I'm okay with the ecj package | 10:07 |
| doko | ok, thanks | 10:15 |
| marcin_ant | hmm I'm just trying to understand those overcomplicated gcj build scripts for ecj-3.3.0-2ubuntu1 | 10:19 |
| marcin_ant | but there is another thing - AFAIK ecj is not licensed with CPL 1.0 | 10:19 |
| marcin_ant | it's licensed with EPL | 10:20 |
| man-di | EPL 1.0 is the same as CPL 1.0 | 10:22 |
| man-di | but I have to agree that debian/changelog needs an adjustment | 10:22 |
| man-di | doko: can you fix this while you are at the package? | 10:24 |
| doko | marcin_ant: you can simplify it if you want, but: you need to bootstrap without ecj, it has to run on every arch | 10:25 |
| doko | man-di: is the license in the eclipse package correct? | 10:25 |
| man-di | doko: marcin_ant is right, debian/copyright says CPL and all *.java files say EPL | 10:25 |
| doko | man-di: is the license in the eclipse package correct? | 10:25 |
| man-di | doko: marcin_ant is right, debian/copyright says CPL and all *.java files say EPL | 10:26 |
| man-di | doko: all of Eclipse was relicensed from CPL to EPL years ago | 10:28 |
| doko | man-di: ok, checked myself, the eclipse copyright is the right one | 10:40 |
| marcin_ant | sorry ;) | 10:44 |
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